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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, May 24 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Welcomes drive John with Ashlyn Sulis, John Oshan, Why inserted
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Jags right? John starts right now? Oh yeah yeah, just
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: the way he I think you can always tell the
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  Speaker 1: way um a coach communicates with it. With a quarterback,
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: you know they could because he's been in my shoes. So, um,
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks interesting position. It's not a big ra ra you know,
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  Speaker 1: choose somebody out. I mean some you know, you have
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  Speaker 1: some coaches that all like that. But for me, that's
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: just not what That's just not what I need. I
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  Speaker 1: can have a conversation and coach Peterson is great about that,
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  Speaker 1: and every play he gives you a piece of feedback
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  Speaker 1: that another coach might not give you just because he
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: knows what it's like and it's something little that he
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  Speaker 1: might see that someone else doesn't see. So having the
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  Speaker 1: head coach be able to step in, even today, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of times, three or four times after a play
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  Speaker 1: he'll come over and give me a little give me
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  Speaker 1: a little tip or whatever. And just having a head
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  Speaker 1: coach that can do that and really really knows what
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  Speaker 1: he's talking about. It is cool. Head coach Dog Peterson
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  Speaker 1: and to back Trevor Lawrence working together on the field
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  Speaker 1: the first day of O T S yesterday second A
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  Speaker 1: to day and that's something that Trevor Lawrence talked a
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  Speaker 1: lot about when coach Peterson was hired, that this guy
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  Speaker 1: gets it, he played the position. Now we're kind of
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  Speaker 1: seeing that come to life on the field. Welcome into
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time. Ashland Sullivan, Brian Sexton, and John Ausier
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: here with you recapping day one of O T A S.
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  Speaker 1: We have some things to talk about. John will say
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  Speaker 1: not a lot, because it was a little boring at times,
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  Speaker 1: but next moments we have some highlights. Um before we
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  Speaker 1: go the highlights. I was trying when we when we
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: recorded Jaguars Reporters yesterday to put towards the how I
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: felt watching Trevor yesterday. And I know that he's still
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  Speaker 1: a young player, but there was a veteran or a
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  Speaker 1: presence about him and just the way that he conducted himself.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not something where you can check off a list,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is posture any of that and stuff. It's
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  Speaker 1: just the way that he went about his business and
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  Speaker 1: the way that he interacted with the coaching staff. He
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  Speaker 1: felt like a much more veteran player than you would
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  Speaker 1: expect and Johnny think that makes sense because last year
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: he was a much more veteran player in his first year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's and we'd expect. He's so talented. He makes different
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  Speaker 1: throws than the other guys. Dude, I'm not putting a
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  Speaker 1: knock on C. J. Bethort Or or Perry. But when
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  Speaker 1: Trevor goes back to pass, he passed usually go fifty
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  Speaker 1: yards more downfield because he's seeing it. He has the
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  Speaker 1: arm to make that throw. Uh. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: kind of laughed at at the outside with Trevor's quote
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  Speaker 1: that Doug's walked in his shoes. I think Doug would
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  Speaker 1: laugh too and say, well, you know, then't walking starters shoes.
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  Speaker 1: But but he does speak the same language. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: I think for a young quarterback. You know, there was
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  Speaker 1: all the talk all season who they should have hired,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was Byron. There was this there was
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  Speaker 1: this um. Has it felt for a second since Doug
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  Speaker 1: Peterson was highed that he's not the right guy? No? Um?
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  Speaker 1: And maybe some of it's the press conferents, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And when Trevor started talking about it yesterday, the quarterback
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  Speaker 1: language they both speak, the development the young quarterback. Uh boy,
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  Speaker 1: I knew it before, but it just stood out. And
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: two or three things of practice where Doug in Doug's
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  Speaker 1: way can go over and say, hey, on this, the
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  Speaker 1: safety moved. He saw that, right, you know, and coolly
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  Speaker 1: he does it. But I can't help but think this
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  Speaker 1: is the right guy in Trevor's here. Absolutely, And we
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: got asked the question, okay, well, why was Trevor so
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  Speaker 1: impressive an ot A practice? And it is. It is
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: hard to describe how different he is. I think just
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  Speaker 1: the way he carries himself. And that's not to say
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  Speaker 1: he didn't last year, because last year we were staying
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: the same thing. Wow, how impressive is this guy? But
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: the difference is drafting and it's hard to been his
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  Speaker 1: team since he got here. But everybody who watches this
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  Speaker 1: except someone on the street, has never had a job.
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  Speaker 1: We'll tell you your first year and a job, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter how good you are, It doesn't matter how
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  Speaker 1: well prepared you are then, and if you're the starter
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  Speaker 1: your first year in a job, there are things you
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  Speaker 1: don't know and things you don't expect. Once O t
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  Speaker 1: A started all of a stud and Trevor could walk
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  Speaker 1: in and go I've seen this before, and even if
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't verbalize it, it's there. He knows now that
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't have to prove to people he's the guy.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody on the team knows he's the guy. They knew
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  Speaker 1: it last year, but the second year guy, it feels different.
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  Speaker 1: I just say this. We knew last year that he
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  Speaker 1: was transcendent as a rookie in terms of how he
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  Speaker 1: handled the media, how he handled the situations around the team.
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  Speaker 1: We've learned since then exactly what he went through and
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  Speaker 1: how it went for him last year. For him to
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  Speaker 1: finish as strong as he did and go through that, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's not a surprise that he's starting strong here too.
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  Speaker 1: And not to mention, I almost forget last year at
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  Speaker 1: this point that he was in a quarterback battle. Do
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  Speaker 1: we recall that that battle that went on for a
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  Speaker 1: couple of months. Yea, let's get into big things. Big
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  Speaker 1: thing one is Travis is back running back. Travis etn
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  Speaker 1: back on the football field for the first time since
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  Speaker 1: last pre season when he had that list Frank injury,
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  Speaker 1: and that injury was so severe that we couldn't help
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  Speaker 1: but have the questions, will he ever get back on
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  Speaker 1: the field and what will we look like when he
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  Speaker 1: does so very exciting to see him back. And now
• 5:13
  Speaker 1: coach Doug Peterson has a good problem of a couple
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  Speaker 1: of running backs and trying to find them in the rotation,
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  Speaker 1: you know, be cleared for for everything. He's been doing
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  Speaker 1: really well through the whole off season program and and uh,
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: you know, we're still going to monitor, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: make sure that he's he's We don't want to have
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  Speaker 1: any setbacks at this this stage. But he's been doing
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  Speaker 1: really good and obviously getting snoop, you know, caught up
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  Speaker 1: to speed and rock and the guys, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's just a matter of this is the
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  Speaker 1: time to let these guys play a little bit, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to see um, see exactly what you what you have
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  Speaker 1: one in the camp. Big things to his defensive line
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  Speaker 1: improvements after was a winner of O t s yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: It was the defensive line bringing a lot of intensity,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of sacks, a couple of past breakups, and
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  Speaker 1: you could tell they were very happy to be on
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  Speaker 1: the field together, especially some of the new guys like
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  Speaker 1: free agent full lrons who Fatakasi who was in the
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  Speaker 1: starting lineup and Christian Kirk didn't exactly mind their loudness.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, it definitely helps, especially during o t as uh.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it can be easy because you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: we're not working towards the game on Sunday, so it
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  Speaker 1: can be easy to come out here and be a
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  Speaker 1: little lax. But for each side holding each other accountable,
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  Speaker 1: accountable energy wise, in the competitive juice is going. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we're we're professional, so it takes you know, one raw
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  Speaker 1: ra play and we are ready to go. And big
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  Speaker 1: thing three is offensive line evaluation. What we can tell
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  Speaker 1: in this period where you can't tell a lot is
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  Speaker 1: where the offensive line is lining up. Walker Little was
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: at left hapfle yesterday, but that was because Cam Robinson
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  Speaker 1: was not at practice. Ben Barts was at left guard.
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Shatley getting starting center reps. So now at the
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  Speaker 1: time where ourselves and Coach Peterson will pay extra attention
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  Speaker 1: to that. It's hard, you know, because you eat, these
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  Speaker 1: guys are protecting each other, so it's it's full speed.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time we're not you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: don pads on right, just helmets and um It's it's hard,
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  Speaker 1: but you can you can kind of see how guys
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  Speaker 1: are retaining information the subtle adjustments that the old line
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  Speaker 1: and D line are making in a live you know,
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  Speaker 1: action against each other. Um, you really can't fully dive
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  Speaker 1: into it. Probably still training camp when when when you
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: can really hit and the pads come on. But you
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  Speaker 1: know this is good too from the standpoint of just
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  Speaker 1: executing um our plays offensively and defensively. And I think
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  Speaker 1: getting some good UM evaluations that way, which is how
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  Speaker 1: well these guys are retaining information. And there you have it.
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  Speaker 1: That was our big things. Let's go back up to
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  Speaker 1: big things one. I think it's most notable of yesterday.
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: Travis c t n back on the field, something we've
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: been waiting a long time for. We mentioned it on
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  Speaker 1: the Reporter podcast yesterday that it got to the point
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  Speaker 1: where this is the first round draft pick and you
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  Speaker 1: almost sadly forgot about him last year because we just
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of him and now you have
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  Speaker 1: this weapon at you didn't see at all last year. Yeah,
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: I mean he got hurt pretty early in the process too,
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  Speaker 1: so it wasn't like we had a full run through
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  Speaker 1: the preseason to get a look at him. Um, we didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see anything yesterday That made me go, oh right,
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  Speaker 1: because I didn't expect him to do that. Other than
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  Speaker 1: the fact that they didn't hold back, it didn't look
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  Speaker 1: like there was a bubble around him. He was running
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  Speaker 1: between the tackles, he was working all of the drills. Um,
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: you know, you heard Doug say, this is where you
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  Speaker 1: monitor him. You make sure that he's able to go
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  Speaker 1: the next day, that you're on the field, and that
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  Speaker 1: you're not pushing too hard through this. But get him
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  Speaker 1: back into some football shape and get him into a
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  Speaker 1: position where you've got him during training camp. But so far,
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  Speaker 1: considering the injury he had John and what we know
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  Speaker 1: about that injury and what it's done to other running
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  Speaker 1: backs that we've covered, Um, it's a good sign. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably understandable that people forgot about him in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: When you're hurt, you're not part of the team. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a cruel business that way. But every player
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  Speaker 1: you talked to talks about feeling of loss when they're
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  Speaker 1: not a part of it. Um, you know, I get
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  Speaker 1: what we do is talk, So we have to talk
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  Speaker 1: about this. He'd been cleared quite a while back. That
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  Speaker 1: was the first time we've seen him. Um. I was
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  Speaker 1: glad to see him not favoring anything. It didn't look
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  Speaker 1: like there was anything wrong I think with that, with
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line, with everything. The reality is once training
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: camp comes on and you're having to go every day,
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  Speaker 1: I don't expect them to rest Travis during O T
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  Speaker 1: A S. It'll be interesting during training camp when there's
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  Speaker 1: some contact when he runs through a hole and he's
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: hit and there's some strain on that foot. Strains when
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  Speaker 1: I do when I do this, and you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think that'll be the tell is when he has to
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: start putting NFL type pressure on that foot. So far,
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  Speaker 1: so good, that's all you can ask right now. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and he's the explosive guys, who's gonna put the foot
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  Speaker 1: in the ground and go right uh. That's what you
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  Speaker 1: do when you go that's fast and go uh. And
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: we didn't see yesterday, and we won't see that until
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: maybe a preseason game where you're able to legitimately see
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  Speaker 1: him put that in the ground and explode. James Robinson
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  Speaker 1: working off to the side yesterday, but present as well
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  Speaker 1: as Jamal ag Knew really involved in kick returner drills.
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  Speaker 1: So you see those guys working back and we can
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  Speaker 1: expect both of them for training camp as well. And
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm miffed about this whole theme that the defensive
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  Speaker 1: line had this great day yesterday they did. Why Why
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: do you think they did not? Because it's even Trevor
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  Speaker 1: said it. There's a certain pace you play at in O.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: T A s U. And they notched it up. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was clear the defensive line kind of went
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  Speaker 1: after a little bit. I'll worry about the defense of
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  Speaker 1: an offensive line when there's pads on and they're going
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: one on one and training, it's okay to not get up,
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  Speaker 1: it's fine. But but when you've got the when you've
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  Speaker 1: got the media who were reporting on it, who are
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  Speaker 1: making a big deal of it, then Trevor is right
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  Speaker 1: to point out, hey, you know what, it's just tempo here.
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: They're going a little harder. Fine, but it wasn't like
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: we were regressing, like they were drilling us. And and
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: that's the point that I'm worried about the pick though, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: I am, I am worried about I was in public
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  Speaker 1: yesterday and the guy came up to me breathlessly wanting
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: to talk about something he had read on social media,
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  Speaker 1: and I went due. Relax, it's not a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: It's practice. And by the way, Davon Hamilton's made a
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  Speaker 1: really good play. So so when you have a team
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: working against each other, one guy makes a great play,
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: one guy makes a bad play. I mean, it just
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  Speaker 1: happens that way. The media is going to focus on
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: the quarterback, but nobody even really talked about the fact
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  Speaker 1: that Hamilton's didn't have a good year last year. Nice
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  Speaker 1: to see him make a play in O t A right.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: I think what was cool, and when I took away
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  Speaker 1: from the defensive line is even without Trayvon Walker, who
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: had a personal issue and he wasn't here. They when
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: you start lining up that front with Lloyd Allen and
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  Speaker 1: the guys they're bringing back, smooth is a good, good,
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: very very good, serviceable player. You had Walker. To that,
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: you add the free agent who's whose name slim? Yeah,
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: that guy. Um, you know, they certainly look far stouter
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  Speaker 1: than they have since two Thousen when I wrote this
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  Speaker 1: yesterday in the camp servation. But J two Filey is
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  Speaker 1: the first guy saw well. He was somebody for whom
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: high expectations were set out when they drafted him. And
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: right there next to him is Malcolm Brown, who's another
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: guy who played in rotation, was a big first and
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  Speaker 1: second down contributor last year. There's a lot of names
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  Speaker 1: of quality players along that defensive line. So when we
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: get to camp and they get into pass rushing full
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  Speaker 1: pads and we start looking at this group, people are
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  Speaker 1: gonna go, Wow, They've got more talent, more depth there
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  Speaker 1: than I remembered. There are big guys in the middle
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  Speaker 1: who can contribute here. Failey's a guy. What about forgotten right?
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  Speaker 1: Travisy tn to Filey was a guy who kind of
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: fell down last year. All sudden feel way better about
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  Speaker 1: the defensive line just from watching practice yesterday and seeing
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: the names on the depth chart. It's just it's just, frankly,
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  Speaker 1: way more guys look like they have the depth, uh
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  Speaker 1: to come atche in waves and U. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: this is on our our list to talk about. But
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  Speaker 1: Josh Allen talked after practice stay there three or four
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  Speaker 1: of us talking to him, and then after it's it's
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  Speaker 1: sort of stopped. Uh. He was asked about Treyvon Walker
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  Speaker 1: and Josh Allen's a physically impressive human being, even for
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. He used the word freak to describe Traylon Walker,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, there was some giddiness when Josh talked about Trayvon.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously he Josh understands as well as anybody there are
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  Speaker 1: things a rookie has to do. But Josh Allen is
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: pretty long arms, and all you can talk about was
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: Traybon's arm length and his potential and his ability. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: he thinks the kids are gonna be really, really good. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he's got enormous hands. At the end of those thirty
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  Speaker 1: I've inch arms. I mean, it's it's amazing what he
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: can do next to Josh Allen if they put him
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: in the right spot real quick before we go to break,
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  Speaker 1: because this was something I was watching yesterday with Caleb
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  Speaker 1: and Chase. I'm playing opposite Josh Allen. How do we
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: think that works out in that rotation when Walker is back?
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: When Calvan Chason is a guy that was such a
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  Speaker 1: high draft pick, and we always asked, he's going to
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  Speaker 1: reach the potential of Calvan's gotta earn it. I mean,
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: I have a position to do that. I really like
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: a Caleb and I've only talked to him via social
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  Speaker 1: media via video conference. He's got talent. I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: he's more of an off the ball guy than a
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  Speaker 1: pure pass rusher. I also for his point of view,
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: and he'd be the first one to tell you because
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: he has always been his approach and I've heard him speak.
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  Speaker 1: He knows he's gotta do better. He knows he hasn't
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  Speaker 1: performed up to his draft status. But from his point
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: of view, you've got a new coordinator coming in. All
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  Speaker 1: history is clean, So I don't think they're going to
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  Speaker 1: look at this premium talent and say, hey, we don't
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: want it. But he's got to prove it. And we
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: all remember the Giants when they beat Tom Brady and
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: that undefeated season. You know they had Matthias Kiwanuka rushing
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  Speaker 1: off the edge and they were rolling in Justin Tuck
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  Speaker 1: and that was a great pass rushing team. You can
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  Speaker 1: never have enough. Guy's a first round talent. Uh, They've
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: got to figure out a way to make it work.
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  Speaker 1: And all you'll hear is, well, it's competition. We have competition.
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  Speaker 1: There's enough snaps, and that's a real thing when you
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: had a new staff. Now, no, totally, I mean they're
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: they're looking at what he has or hasn't done. But
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: more importantly, They're looking at what he's capable of and
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: saying to themselves we have to get it out of him.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Always good to have options without a doubt. You're gonna
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: need a lot of pass rushing and that is big
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: things when we come back. The biggest question going into
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: O T S from us here on the jag Oristygral network.
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  Speaker 1: You got when you got a guy like Trevor, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's not hard at all. You know, he's got all
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: the tools um athletically and to play that position. But
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: you know, as a person, you know, he a great guy.
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  Speaker 1: He has a relationship with all the guys in the
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: locker room, including our receivers, and a lot of communications
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: open and he just wants to be great and uh,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: like I said, that's one of my goals. And you know,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: being brought here to help him develop and be the
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: best that he can do as well. My receiver Christian
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Kirk on how tough is it to get the timing
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: down with a new quarterback like Trevor Lawrence And he
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: laughs and says, not at all. Welcome back to Jaguar's
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Drive time a guy like Christian Kirk is. Everyone's very
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: excited to see him on the football field, and we
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: were watching Trevor and Christian walkout on the practice field
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: together and he just couldn't help Like Gottle giddy inside.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: That's a pair that we want to do really well here.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: There were some nice catchers. Was giddy, but you were giddy.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: You just don't want to admit it. Um. I was impressed.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Um again, I want to temper my impressed this into
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: training camp. But there were some moments a Christian Kirk
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: uh because of the contract, because he hadn't put up
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: incredible numbers in Arizona. There's so much talk about it
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: was he worth this that that I he really good
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: things about his work ethic are good things from people
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: who around him in Arizona about what he's going to
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: be able to bring. Uh. I think he's gonna help
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: this roster. Uh. He better for eighteen million, right, but
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you know, and I think the speed and the quickness. Uh.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a one, Brian, but I
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: certainly think that he is a guy who in this
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: group of receivers they've got, is going to matter and
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: is going to force defenses to account. Frame Well, I
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: don't know if he's a one either, but he's gonna
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: be the one. You know, They're just gonna be that
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: relationship between him and the quarterback. In fact, Trevor talked
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: about playing golf with him on a regular basis, so
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: clearly they're working that angle. You know what's interesting is
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: people talk about how much money he was paid. Um,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: you know, shortly after they paid him the eighteen million
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: a year the quarter the wide receiver market exploded and
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: went up to twenty seven million dollars a year. So
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: is he overpaid? Well, you have, but all free agents
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: are Are they paying top of the market? No, not anymore. Um,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that's not going to change people's impression. It's just an
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: obvious fact that he is a highly paid receiver. He's
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: not the highest paid receiver, and I think that he
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: will deliver in this offense. He's effortless as he moves,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: he really is. He's fun to watch. He's so athletic
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: and and he knows where he's going and what he's doing.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: And Trevor alluded to that that the way that he
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: reads a defense was really important for Trevor's ability to
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: develop that timing with him, because it seems like they're
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: on the same page. He sees what kirksies and vice versa. Yeah,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: the overpaid thing annoys me. Not gonna lie, That's why
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I brought it up. He's not the top of the market.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: If help be paid in her life, I am always
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: so I'm team overpaid. But if he helps this wide
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: receiver and one, it's not your money, so why do
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you care? And too, if he makes room better? How much?
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: If it costs that much, it costs that much? Well,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I saw a guy they wanted. They went exactly and
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I've talked to people in Arizona who say the guys
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: are really good football player. He was going to get paid.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: The Jaguars knew that it was going to cost something
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: to get him, so they went out and made sure
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: they got him. Absolutely. So we have a lot of
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: questions going into this offseason and O t A s
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and we've delivered our our top three, but we probably
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: have like ten questions. But our top three questions going
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: in to this O t A season. Brian what he
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: got for us? So where is Walker Little going to play?
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Because it's clear watching his feet yesterday that the guy
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: is a very good athlete. He's a big body with
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: long arms. You know, He's the thing that we saw
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: last year watching him in past rush drills. He is
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: a very talented player and he is one of your
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: top five offensive lineman. I have no doubt about that.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know whether he's you know, two or three.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: You figure it out. He's got to be on the field.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: He's one of your best five. So where is he
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: gonna play? I think he's your right tackle because I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: have said a long that I believe that you want
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: is going to be better playing inside. Now it doesn't
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: appear that they're moving you want inside. He didn't get
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: any reps there. But if Cam Robinson's your left tackle,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: where is Walker Little going to play? He belongs on
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, I ain't He'll wind up playing right tackle.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: It just sort of adds up. You drafted him last year,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: he's he's a second round pick. Joan has struggled at times. Uh,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And I agree with you. I think Walker a little
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: is going to earn his way onto the field. Um.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: So again, there's a lot of consternation over this among observers.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: If you think about it, clearly they made themselves better
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: in the offseason offensive line, But when you're talking about
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: either Jowan Taylor, Walker Little or Ben Bart won't start
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: um and that's okay, all of a sudden, you've got
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: real depth, real guys you can plug in. But I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: say that because Walk a little or Jowan Taylor gonna
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: start right guard, maybe one of those two moves inside
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: or Bens and you know, so you're gonna have some
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: some legitimate depth on the offensive line. They've had it before,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: but it's probably the best it's been, and I think
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: it bears repeating again. Juwan Taylor said last year when
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: he was asked, I'm a right tackle. Walker little speet
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: art much better than Juwan Taylor's feet and Juan take
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the money and go inside right because the guy who's
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: starting at right guard right now, he's making seventeen and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: a half million dollars seventeen point nine million dollars um.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: The money, the drop off from tackle to guard money
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: isn't what it used to be. Go play wherever they
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: put you, Yeah, and walk a little playing at left
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: talckle yesterday, but that's because Cam Robinson wasn't there. Securious
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and Camp comes back. How that shifts things because it's
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: going to be shifted Walker shift back to right tap
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: um mine and I'll make this quick because we've already
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: talked about wide receiver a lot with Christian Kirk. Christian
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Kirk a moment ago. Mine is kind of wide receiver
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: corps believe what they believe it will be. Um janituars
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: like this wide receiver group. It is the hot topic.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be the hot topic until they produce. I
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: do think that Christian Kirkson make a difference. I liked
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: what I saw is a Jones in terms of his speed,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: his suddenness out of breaks. Um, do they have that
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: big body who's gonna go down and win matchups? Uh?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I think they're going to
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: be better. Uh, but I know Shellana has something to
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: say because her question leads right into this as well.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: It does, And it's a question that I've been wondering
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: for the past year. And I go back. I watched
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: this interview from two years ago in Labisca. Shenault was
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: drafting and we had Keenan maccartell on the show, and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: he was just so excited to get this guy. When
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: we were so excited because we saw what he did
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: in college and we saw the versatility. I'm just lost
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: on when people ask, you know, will Laviska Shent play
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: up to his level? I'm at the point where I say,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because one, I don't know what he
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: does best anymore because he was playing outside last year.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: He's not the guy that's gonna take the top off
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the defense. Okay, does he go into the slot? Is
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: he the guy that you go to on third down?
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I just don't know what he what his best attribute
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: is anymore. And we're at the point this year or
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: he has to show that or else do that that
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: second round draft pick, that's what's gonna be held over
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: his head as you never reached the second round draft pick. Well,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: So watching Evan Ingram yesterday, who is a tight end?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: He to me is that big body guy who can
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: who can really run um. He looks to me more
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: like a receiver. And let's be honest, Labisca doesn't be
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: press coverage off the line. He doesn't have the speed
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to create separation. He's more of a tight end. He's
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: more of a guy that operates in a tight space
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and then turns and puts his body and and makes
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: things happen, you know, with his legs and with his
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: strength and his power. So it's me and I being
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: somewhat facetious here. I put w R next to Ingram,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and I put TE next to Chanel, and I bet
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: we'd like the results better. Yeah, I don't know that.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I mean again, I know your facetious because I don't
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: know that Levisca has the frame. He'd quite be a
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: tight end. But he's more than he is. Yeah, and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know that he has the speed in that spot.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on Levisca because he he makes
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: plays at times. I think his biggest task is he
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: had a tough year last year and what everybody would
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: tell you was a tough overall environment. He's gonna have
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: an opportunity go catch the ball and training camp. Go
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: do what you can do and trust that this coaching
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: staff will find way for you to contribute. Um. He's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: a talented guy. Is he going to be second round pick?
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Is he going to be starter X receiver? I don't know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: but I think he can contribute, and I think he
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: needs to. I'm playing drugstore psychologists here, but he needs
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: to worry about what he can control. Play as well
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: as he can and his his talent will allow him
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: to do that it felt last year like he got
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: away from that a little bit understandably so because of
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the situation that everybody was in her. Well. Since you
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: bring up second round, I think a good comparison is
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: A J. Brown, who is now in Philadelphia. They were
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: both taken in the second round. So if you're looking
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: at him fitting some sort of a paradigm about what
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a second round receiver looks like, no, no, he's never
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: going to meet up to that because he's not that
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: kind of a receiver. I do think that if Christian
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Kirk and Za Jones and Evan Ingram do what they
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: were brought here to do well, then there should be
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: opportunities for him to get mismatches on linebackers which he
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: should be able to win. And then we all watched
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: him at Colorado and at times here hit the middle
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: of the field and make things happen with the ball.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: He is a catch and run He's not a run
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to catch guy, so he should have more opportunities with
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the speed that the other guys bring. He can work
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the slot and he can do that, and he can
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: be physical against safeties where you feel uh concerned for
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: it is he's a physical receiver. Tackle breaking receiver. Um,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: it's hard to make a living breaking tackles from linebackers
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. If he can get on the secondary
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and do it against those guys, I think he can
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: be productive. And these are the questions that haunts me,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and I'm glad we went over them. When we come
• 25:35
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• 26:01
  Speaker 1: We are back Jaguar's Drive Time time for ozone snapshot.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: We are going to Sunroom couch. Steve, what do you
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: got for us? Oh, Steve? Could we just get a
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: team that's relevant beyond October or November? Brian, We've been
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: saying that for years. Um, you know, I do think
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: this team can get to relevance in October November. I
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: don't think it can get this year too thrilling in December.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I think I think realistically are a step away from that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: But uh to me, this looks like a team that
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: can compete. It looks like a team that if Trevor
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: takes a step, you will grow uh to me, relevance
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: being on the graphic, and that's if you can get
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: on the graphic and keep interested until mid December. With
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: this team, I think it's a huge step and I
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: think that's within reach. I don't think the playoffs are
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: within reach. And I go back to the nineties season.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: They were four and seven and they just started getting
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: things that fell their way. Right. Uh, you know, a
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: ball hits the upright and bounces in in Baltimore, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: then Mike Hollis hits a long field goal in the
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: rain to beat Cincinnati here and Tony Brackens makes a
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: huge play to intercept Rick Meyer against Seattle on a
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Sunday night. I mean, things just fell into place late
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: in the year, and here this year it's on the quarterback.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: If he takes a big step forward and lifts the
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: team with him, well, then they can be in that
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: relevant stage around Thanksgiving. Relevant, by the way, meaning they're
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: competing for the seventh spot. I'm not talking about competing
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: for the division. I'm talking about being on the graphic.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: In December. Here the top seven. Here they also rans.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And if they're just on the graphic, what what does
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: that mean? Well, we're talking about games that means something,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: which is what the gentleman on his couch is referring to.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I think we can get to that point in mid
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to late November. But again, the quarterback has to lift
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: this team. It's on him if he goes nuts. If
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Christian Kirk is a big difference maker, right, if they
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: can of an Ingram makes a fingertip catch to get
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: a big first down to set up a field goal
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: in you know, in a game in in uh in November,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you never know what happens. But I think I think
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: it's reasonable to expect they're on the graphic sometime in November.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And with that that's seven to eight wins, which would
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: be obviously huge ump. If the ball bounces your way,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you recover a fumble and kick a late field goal,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you just don't know how it goes. All Right, let's
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: go to Orange Park, Florida, jr. What areas of the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: roster will management look to bolster per trades or pick
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: ups during the preseason. Yeah, I answered this question in text,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and that kind of gave JR. Little grief. Um, you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: you don't really bolster or improve very much in the preseason.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I understand the question. I don't know that there's any
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: obvious glaring areas. I could see them maybe addressing reserve
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: safety here you always look for offensive line, but Brian,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I don't really see any areas of the roster that
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: are glaring in terms of Boy, they've got to go
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: out and pick up somebody's cast off to get a
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: starter at this point, which we've seen this team have
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: to do in recently. Yeah, and you know, could they
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: do that at running back if somehow the health of
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the main two aren't quite there? I guess, But I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: think they've got the roster not to where it needs
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: to be. Excuse me, but I think it's going the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: direction they wanted to go, so that I don't think
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: they're necessarily looking to patch holes at this point. Injuries
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: might cause something like this. So I looked at it
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: through a little different lens, because, like you, you mean,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you start looking at guys they brought in, and they've
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: really done a nice job across the roster of improving.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I'm looking from fifty three right, so the bottom of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the roster where guys come in like Nick Sorensen did
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: when he was a player, right and and help your
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: special teams. These are the guys that you count on.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: You're looking to find a guy who can be a
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: gunner for you and make a big play. You're always
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: sure earning the bottom third of your roster. Um I
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to say that the roster is
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: so complete that it's you know, it's only the last
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: seven or eight guys, but you're always looking for a
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: guy who makes a difference on special teams, especially when
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: it appears you're gonna have a new kicker this year. Right.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: So I would say the bottom of the roster, the
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: bottom of the last eight spots are guys that you're
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: hoping to come in and raise the level of your
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: special team's performance. That makes sense, and that is ozone
• 30:24
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• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Some closing thoughts stay with us. The Jaguars are future
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: focus and ready for a new look in to join
• 30:35
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• 30:37
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• 30:41
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• 30:49
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• 30:53
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• 30:55
  Speaker 1: So next Tuesday we will be back on the practice field,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: meaning Drive Time will be next Wednesday. Breaking news. New
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: episode of The Hunt comes out this Thursday. Teas is
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: going out on social media tonight and very excited. That
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: is the last chapter of the Hunt this season. Awesome
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: job to our Jaguars production team and Max and Trent.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: It's it's a really cool episode looking back at the
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: draft and really great access. So much work goes into
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: putting that on. I mean, what is it ten minutes?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I mean and it it takes weeks and days and
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: hours of planning and execution. It's fantastic. It is very
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: eye opening. How much so it looks for my story
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: this week got ash on On Wednesday on Jaguars Defensive End,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen talks about some of his goals and thoughts
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: for the coming year. It's pretty good. I love that.
• 31:38
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• 31:41
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• 31:43
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• 31:46
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