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Show 75: Pope Francis, Homosexuality and Papal Infallibility · The Uncensored Catholic

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Hey, y'all, welcome to today's show. Today we're going to get into
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well, a very important topic has to do with paper infallibility and what's going
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on in the news right now. But and yeah, it's probably gonna be
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a controversial show. I'll say some things that some people may not like to
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say the least. I'm not a fan of Pope Francis. I think he's
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probably a well meaning man. I think he thinks he's doing the right thing.
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I think he's very confused on many issues, and on this issue of
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homosexuality, he is really screwing up bad, badly whatever. I'm not a
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set of accentists. I do believe he is the actual Pope, but I
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think he's a really bad pope, not a good pope. We'll get into
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that. So before we do, let's turn to the old book radio replies,
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and let's see what the anti Catholics are asking the priests today. This
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one says, what is meant by natural religion? And why is it not
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sufficient? They answer, natural religion is simply the religion a man would be
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obliged to practice, even if he never received a revelation from God. Man
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could know by reason alone that there is a God, and that he must
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be acknowledged by a worship dictated by reason as to its form, and by
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obedience to the natural law, as manifested by conscience. But the origin,
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but this natural religion is not sufficient in the present condition of the human race.
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God has given to mankind a supernatural destiny higher than any mere natural destiny.
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And this requires the revelation of a knowledge higher than that which would be
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attained by merely natural reason. You may remember that when Saint Paul was I
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guess it was when he was talking to the Greeks, he picked out one
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of their what would you call him? You know, they had all these
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like temples to different deities and such, and he picked out one that said
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to an unknown God. And he walked in and said, I'm here to
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represent that unknown God. And he began speaking to them in a way they
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should have understood. But well, some were converted. Devire, definitely.
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He made some converts in Greek Greeks, quite a few, but he failed
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to persuade the intelligencia, you know, or the whole nation. They found
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Christianity be a novel concept, and that was about it. Of course,
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it could have been when he was in Rome. That happened, I can't
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remember, and I don't have time to look it up right now. But
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the point is at the Church to Catechism says that all well that man may
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know God through nature, so that there is no real excuse for atheism.
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Essentially, all peoples on earth throughout history have had a religion of some sort.
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You cannot find in pre modern times any tribe or nation on Earth that
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does not have some form of religion, religious ideology, and religious worship.
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The It really defies reason and logic to disbelieve in God. And we've talked
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about that so much, about the reflective principles and all that, But it
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would also assume that somehow all people who believe in God are or wrong or
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delusional. Therefore, you know, the atheists must say that he's smarter than
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all people who believe in God. He's figured out something they just don't know.
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They're delusional. Right. Well, in order to assume that, you
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have to believe that you're smarter than everybody that ever came before you in the
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history of the world. And nobody's that smart. Nobody's that's smart at all.
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Look, even you know, Albert Einstein who was I think atheists or
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agnostic for much of his life. Through his study of physics, came to
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believe in a deity, in a God. I don't know if what he
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would denomination if he ever settled on one, but he came to believe in
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God. So you have to assume you're smarter than Albert Einstein. Okay,
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well, maybe you know there are some super geniuses who are I doubt it.
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Just even if you were, you're not. There's no one man on
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earth who's martyr than the sum cumulative total of all wisdom and the entire history
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of mankind. It's an ultimately arrogant statement. I mean, even the devil
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believes in God. He just worships himself as his own God. It's really
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quite an untenable position. But that law of natural religion is what led all
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people's, you know, from the ancient Chinese to Egyptians, to Native Americans
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to Scandinavians to you name it, throughout millions of years, to each have
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and practice religion because they could see the hand of God in nature, and
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their natural reason taught them belief in God. And we may say that the
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knowledge and need of God is actually imprinted on the human heart. One has
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to deny it the natural. The natural state of man is to believe in
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God. It is an unnatural state. It takes a lot of misguided reason,
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a lot of delusion. It takes a great leap of faith, actually
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to believe that there isn't a God, especially given the evidence of all of
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humanity always believing there is at least some sort of God. But we believe,
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as Christians in a revealed religion. We believe in one true God who
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has revealed himself to us, very different than other religions. And they go
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on. The person says, granted immortality and the need of natural religion,
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could we prove that more would have to be revealed? They said, Even
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where where natural religion is concerned, the lack of ability and lack of time
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for study amongst the masses of men, and the differences of opinions and absurd
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errors even of philosophers, where the natural principle of religion and of morality are
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in question, would argue the need for some help by revelation. But we
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could not prove that truth beyond the natural order would have to be revealed,
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because such revelation supposes a supernatural identity, a supernatural destiny for man, a
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destiny dependent entirely upon the good pleasure of God. We simply have to accept
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the fact that God has revealed supernatural truths beyond the requirements of merely natural religion.
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Once we have a what they said, an historical fact. Okay,
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grammatically, you don't say an historical it's a historical fact because H is considant
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not a vowel. Really bugs me when people do that. It's sort of
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an English name because they try not to pronounce the h to sound, you
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know, more posh. It's a historical it is a horse. It is
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not an horse. That would be an horse, which is a norseman,
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a Viking. That's a reason we don't. There's the reason we have rules
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of grammar, y'all. I'm sure you want to be ectured by hillbilly or
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grammar. Yes, I'm sure you do. Once we have a historical fact,
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there is no longer room for speculation as to what should or should not
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be. God has revealed very definite doctrines and moral obligations. It is for
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us to accept and fulfill them. If we have any idea of pleasing God
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and saving our souls. Well, speaking of revelation, they say, the
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person who asked, do you maintain that your mysterious Bible contains the revelation of
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God? The answer, I maintain that it contains part of God's full revelation.
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All that is contained in the Bible has been revealed by God, although
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further information is given to us in other ways. The Bible contains very mysterious
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doctrines, I admit, and we'll get into some of those mysterious doctrines tomorrow.
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But it's a very important point, you know, because Protestantism is based
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on two precepts faith alone in the Bible, one soul of feed a soul
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of scriptura. They maintain that the only authority is the Bible. The Catholic
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Church's a very different position. We maintain that as the Bible says, God's
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taught many things to the apostles that are not written down in the Bible,
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the Bible actually says that. It actually says, I think it's in the
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book Gospel John. If all were written down, fill all the books in
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the world. What's written down here is just enough so you may believe.
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So we have sacred tradition, the sacred tradition. What Jesus taught to the
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apostles that isn't written in the Bible has been passed down for about two thousand
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years now through apostolic succession. That is, where the apostles ordained bishops and
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priests. They taught to them what was taught to them by Jesus. Those
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bishops and priests then taught those same doctrines to the next generation, and to
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the next generation, and to the next generation. And we maintain that sacred
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authority is equally authoritative and valid as the Bible. And in fact, it
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is that sacred tradition, the authority of which which enabled the Church to compile
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the Bible. There's no Bible without the Catholic Church. The Gospels were written
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by the apostles, the first Catholics. Translations of the Bible done by like
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Saint Jerome. The understanding of the Bible is also part of sacred tradition.
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There are many people who understand I misunderstand many things in the Bible, and
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there are many heresies that have arisen out of those misunderstandings. You know,
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the Holy Trinity, when God in three persons is not defined in the Bible.
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It's barely mentioned. Jesus just said baptism and and the Father and Son
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of the Holy Spirit. He said, the Father and I are one.
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He said, when I leave the paraclete, the Holy Spirit will come,
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and it will guide you in all understanding. He said that to his apostles.
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He did not guarantee that to anyone who just picks up a Bible and
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starts reading it. By the way, so doctrines had to be defined,
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and that is also part of sacred tradition. And then it sort we get
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to the point topic of today's show, and it has to do with papal
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infallibility. This is probably the doctrine that upsets Protestants, but it's very biblical.
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Jesus said, specifically to his apostles, those who hear you hear me.
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Those who reject you reject him who sent me. He said to his
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apostles, I grant you all authority under heaven. He said several things like
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that. One of the most important was the gates of Hell would not prevail
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against his church. We believe, and all Christians believed for about fifteen hundred
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years until Martin Luther came along and led millions of people stray through falsehood and
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heresy and outright lies that he later admitted were inspired by the devil. Those
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are his own words. He railed against the Eucharists, as he put it,
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and later admitted that was inspired by the devil. Okay, most Lutherans
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don't read a lot of Luther. If they did, they'd have to leave
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the Lutheran Church. Sorry, that's just the truth. If you are in
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any way knowledgeable about all Luther and Calvin and Knox and all that, you'll
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pretty soon realize that their writings do not agree with the Bible or with each
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other a lot. And there's only one truth. And that one truth has
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been unchanging in the Catholic Church since the day it was founded by Jesus Christ
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himself, when he said, Peter, you're the rock, and upon this
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rock I found my church. The dates of hell will not prevailtive against it.
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It will be a shining city set upon a hill, visible to all
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ages. No other church, in fact, no human instant tuition, has
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been intact visible to all ages for two thousand years, and none will be
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still standing except the Catholic Church at the end of time. Because Jesus said
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that and Jesus cannot lie. So the doctrine of papal infallibility says that the
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pope has, through the guidance and protection and prevention from error by the Holy
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Spirit, a unique authority, a chroism, if you will, an authority
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to say, to rule on matters of morals and doctrine, not on everything.
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Okay. If the Pope says red wine is better than white wine,
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that's just his opinion. Yeah, I think I would agree with that,
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a particular opinion, but that's just his opinion. If the Pope says chocolate
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ice cream is better than vanilla ice cream, yeah, just just his opinion.
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This office is what we call from the seat of Peter, okay,
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the seat of Saint Peter, the throne of Saint Peter, if you will.
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The Pope is the officer who occupies that seat. So I mentioned earlier
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set of acadists. They that literally means in Latin the seat is empty.
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They don't believe that our current pope is valid. It comes down to,
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well, it goes back to the time around Vattic into Archbishop Lefevre and some
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controversies over what very traditional and I would really count myself among the traditional wing
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of Catholics. I certainly prefer the Latin Mass. I'm very orthodox in my
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opinion. I am not convinced that the pope is an invalid pope. Frankly,
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Pope John paul Is second was fantastic, and they would have maintained what
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they did, maintain that he was not a valid pope. Well he's now
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Saint Pope, Pope Saint John Paul a second. It's it's a controversy among
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Catholics, and they'll argue about it, and it's a lot of animosity.
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The set of Acondists Vacantists does not consider themselves in communion with nona set of
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Vacandists, and the more liberal wing of the church does not consider itself in
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communion with a set of Vacandists, and a lot of traditional Catholics like me,
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are in the middle. We don't like most of what Medican two brought
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about. We don't like what's called norvus Ordo or the new Mass that came
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about when they got rid of traditional Catholic Mass. And we adhere to orthodox
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Catholic teaching where we draw the line as we say, well, you know,
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I'm going to go to any Mass that's open to me, because the
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Catholic Church is still the Church as guaranteed by Jesus Christ. While I would
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prefer to go to traditional Latin Mass with everything in me, if there's not
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one nearby, I will go to a nervous Ordo Mass because it's still the
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Catholic Church. Jesus guaranteed that the Catholic Church would stand for all ages.
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He didn't make any guarantees about specific popes, and there have been some very
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bad popes, just two or three, but they were pretty bad guys.
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Amazingly, if you look at the history of the Catholic Church, they never
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exercised their authority of infallibility those bad popes. You see, infallibility only applies
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when the pope gives an official teaching on matters of morals and doctrines, not
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his opinion, and usually like ninety nine point nine percent of the time,
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this is in consultation and after a long consultation, usually and in agreement with
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the cardinals and bishops whatever. There's a name for that, the College of
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Bishops or college. You know. I'm a convert. I get confused on
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the jargon. Sometimes generally speaking, a pope does not just walk out and
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say, I, Pope so and so declare this to be infallible teaching on
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a matter of morals and doctrines without the agreement of at least the vast majority
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of the bishops and after a long consultation, a lot of talking. But
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the Pope would technically have that authority on the ground set. What he said
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was not in opposition to the traditionally held beliefs and doctrines of the Catholic Church.
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See, the Pope can't just come out and say old. For instance,
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the Bible says homosexuality is wrong. Jesus said homosexuality is wrong. The
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Catechism of the Catholic Church says homosexuality is a sin, wrong or sin.
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I'm just saying he's interchangeably. I'm not trying to differentiate canon law, etc.
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At center, etc. And this has been our belief that we've held
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for two thousand years. But I Pope Francis now say it's just perfectly fine
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to be gay. He I'm sure as a man he could do that,
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but no Catholic would be compelled to accept it, in fact, because that
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statement is in direct opposition of the coherent, cohesive teachings of the Catholic Church
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for the past two thousand years. We would have the duty to ignore it,
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not just ignore it, reject it, and actually fight against That's a
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big mistake that like most all Protestants and far too Catholics make, they don't
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understand that the pope's infallible ability is limited. But if you use logic for
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a few minutes, you realize that the pope can't just come out and say
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something the opposite of what Jesus said and everyone have to agree to it.
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As I said, we've had some bad popes. None of them have actually
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done that. In fact, one or two of them may have been planning
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to do something what would be call heretical, or at least you know,
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oh, there's a word for it's the opposite of orthodox heterodox Yes, or
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create a scandal through confusion, which is what I would if I was going
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to accuse Francis of anything, I would say that he creates scandal through the
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confusion that he calls us through his words, because he's not made any official
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statements. But anyway, those few bad popes that may have been about to
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do something like that died suddenly, and when we talk about the Holy Spirit
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ensuring the infallible teaching of the Catholic Church on matters of faith and doctrine.
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One of the reasons we can point out is say, look, they drop
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dead, you know, so if you know Pope, Pope Francis has apparently
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this is what's been reported, and a lot of times what's reported isn't true.
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So I'm withholding judgment. I'm I got to jump to conclusions here.
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There's a lot of heated rhetoric online, and that's one of the reasons I
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put out a statement to day on Twitter, and I put it out on
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substack, and I'm saying it now, his power of infallibility is connected to
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his office, Okay, and it's not the man. It's the office of
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the pope, and it's limited to matters of faith and morals, of doctrine
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and morals. I should say the doctrine of the Trinity would be an example.
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If the Pope comes out and said, you know that whole three gods,
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one God and three persons. Sorry I said it backwards. Well let's
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say he actually did say that. He said, we got it wrong,
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there are actually three gods. Well, you know, he's not infallible.
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He'd be absolutely wrong, and Catholics and all Christians would have the duty to
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both to oppose what he said. He would have violated his office. But
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that's never happened, and God willing, it will never happen. I don't
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believe it will ever happen. So Pope Francis apparently came out and said sometime
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in the last day that he was open to blessing homosexual unions. Not valid
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marriage between homosexual peoples, you know, not recognizing gay marriage, okay,
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but some form of blessing that would allow them to feel more included, presumably
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with the goal that they would become, you know, come to church and
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be instructed on matters of morals and see there see the sinful the nature,
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the sinful nature of their actions, and thereby dissolve that union. He didn't
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say all that. I'm hoping that was what was in his mind. Anyway
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you look at it. That is so in confusion, whether he meant it
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or not. The liberal media will certainly say the Pope now approves of gay
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marriage, and it's going to cause it's already it's causing tremendous scandal. It
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will cause faithful Catholics to lose faith and leave the church. It will cause
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more anti Christian, anti Catholic people to try to enter the church, and
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people who are sitting on the f if they think the Pope says it's okay
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to be gay, you know, they could practice homosexual behavior and they could
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end up in heale because of what the pope said. Dad's the opposite of
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what a pope is supposed to be doing. So such things have happened before
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where he's been misreported, and the Vatican comes out and says, hold on,
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wait a minute, he didn't actually say this. Okay, let's hope
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and pray to God that's going to happen here. If he did say it,
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Let's hope he had good intentions. I'm willing to give him the benefit
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of the doubt on his intentions. I know many won't be I't I understand
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fully well why many traditional Catholics, the set of ac and dis especially reject
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him as pope. I do not. I'm only I'd be really tempted to
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do so as well. What I don't reject is the authority of the Catholic
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Church. I am very willing to say, yeah, he's a bad pope.
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Hopefully he may be a good person at heart, but he's a bad
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pope because he's not carrying out the duties of his office in a way that
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is educating and strengthening and supporting the church. Doesn't mean he's an invalid pope
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in my eyes. No, that's where we could disagree. I will say
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he's a bad pope, and I would probably be very supportive of the percent
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of the arguments of someone who says he is an invalid pope. But I
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believe in what Jesus said about his church, not about the man or the
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men. Remember you always have to remember Jesus chose twelve disciples, and one
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of them was Judas. There's going to be a bad one in every crowd.
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And I mean if we were to say that because Judas was a bad
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apostle, that invalidates the twelve apostles, that would mean Jesus isn't God.
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I'm not going that far, and I'm not going to go that far because
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I have faith in God and his church. But if Francis does try to
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make some official doctrine approving of homosexuality, which I pray to God he won't,
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it is our duty to reject it, because he will have invalidated that
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office of not that all, No, he will have invalidated his authority of
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infallibility because it's only in regard to what is in agreement with Catholic doctrine,
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the words of God, that is infallible. So we will have the duty
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to actively resist such as that doesn't mean leave the church, doesn't mean lose
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faith in the church. What it means is we would have a pope who
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had violated his duty and his words in that case would not should not be
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considered infallible. Now, I am not the greatest scholar. I am not
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you know, canon lawyer or anything like that. I have, you know,
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done a lot of reading and study on paper and fallibility, and this
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is what I've been taught. This is what I'm saying is an agreement with
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a lot of Catholic writing that the pope's authority is only on matters of faith
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and doctrine in unity with the College of whatever, and has to be in
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agreement with orthodox Catholic teaching. And you know, the words of God and
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the sacred tradition. It has to be in your cord with sacred tradition or
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it's not to it's not to be followed, ignored, or absolutely rejected.
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I'll also have to point out the obvious. I pray for, you know,
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Pope Francis's health. Absolutely, he is a very old man. Remember
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what I said about bad popes, They didn't get the chance to to propagate
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false teaching. If if I were him, I'd be a little careful about
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this one if he wants to live a long life, because precedents would say
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that he's in a little bit of a dangerous position here. Again, that's
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just my opinion. And I said, like I said, I wish him
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health in a long life, and I really wish he would be more clear
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and stop sewing so much confusion. And if he's got a wrong notion idea,
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I pray to God the Holy Spirit will set him right. We all
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need to pray for Pope Francis right now, and we need to pray for
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the cardinals and the bishops. We need to pray that one he will not
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teach anything in error, pronounce anything that is opposed to sacred tradition and the
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teachings of the Catholic Church orthodoxy. And two, if he does well,
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he'll see the error of his ways and repent and change it, obviously,
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but that the majority of Catholic bishops and priests will be filled with the spirit
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and stand strong to oppose him absolutely. That will be their duty as the
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shepherds of the church. I mean, he's the head, but they're all
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officers as well. And you know, hopefully our next pope will be a
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lot better, a lot better. So anyway, y'all just remember we know
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how the story ends. Jesus said those who endure to the end will be
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saved. And in the words of Saint Padre Pio, pray, hope and
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don't worry. And as Hank Williams should say, the good Lord William willan
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and the creek don't rise. I'll talk with you all tomorrow. Have a good one