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The Good in Klingons: A Deep Dive into Honor and Conflict · Systematic Geekology

1:11
Foreign.
1:14
Without
1:14
the
1:15
risk
1:15
of
1:15
loss,
1:16
victory
1:17
has
1:17
no
1:17
value.
1:18
At
1:18
least
1:19
that's
1:19
according
1:19
to
1:19
Worf
1:20
from
1:21
Star
1:22
Trek
1:22
the
1:23
Next
1:23
Generation.
1:24
Yeah,
1:24
today,
1:25
guys,
1:25
we're
1:26
going
1:26
to
1:26
be
1:26
discussing
1:26
about
1:27
some
1:27
disagreements.
1:28
We
1:28
need
1:28
the
1:29
risk
1:29
of
1:29
loss
1:29
when
1:30
we
1:30
think
1:30
about
1:30
Starfleet
1:32
versus
1:32
the
1:32
Klingons.
1:33
That's
1:33
right.
1:34
This
1:34
is
1:34
one
1:34
of
1:34
the
1:34
Finding
1:35
the
1:35
Good
1:35
episodes.
1:36
We're
1:36
going
1:36
to
1:37
be
1:37
looking
1:37
at
1:37
the
1:37
contrast
1:38
between
1:38
Starfleet,
1:39
Klingons,
1:39
and
1:39
trying
1:40
to
1:40
find
1:40
the
1:40
good
1:40
in
1:40
the
1:41
other
1:41
side.
1:42
Can't
1:42
wait
1:42
for
1:42
this
1:43
part
1:43
of
1:43
our
1:43
annual
1:43
theme.
1:44
I
1:44
am
1:44
Joshua
1:45
Noel.
1:45
I'll
1:45
be
1:46
one
1:46
of
1:46
your
1:47
hosts
1:47
today,
1:47
here
1:47
with
1:47
the
1:47
one
1:48
and
1:48
only
1:49
Retro
1:50
Herbie.
1:52
Herbie
1:53
Ramsey
1:53
and
1:54
Andy
1:54
Walsh.
1:55
Excited
1:55
to
1:55
be
1:55
here
1:55
with
1:56
you
1:56
guys.
1:57
Why
1:57
don't
1:57
y'all
1:57
kick
1:57
us
1:58
off?
1:58
What
1:58
have
1:58
you
1:58
been
1:58
geeking
1:59
out
1:59
on
2:00
lately,
2:00
Herbie?
2:01
Well,
2:01
recently
2:01
I've
2:02
been
2:02
doing
2:02
yet
2:03
another
2:03
playthrough
2:03
of
2:04
Skyrim.
2:04
I
2:04
am
2:05
about
2:05
done
2:05
with
2:05
that.
2:06
It's
2:06
been
2:06
the.
2:07
It's
2:07
soaked
2:08
up
2:08
more
2:08
time
2:08
than
2:09
it
2:09
should
2:09
for
2:09
the
2:10
last
2:10
couple
2:10
months.
2:11
No,
2:12
no,
2:12
that's
2:12
a.
2:12
That's
2:12
a
2:13
worthwhile.
2:14
What
2:14
are
2:14
you
2:14
playing
2:15
on
2:15
this
2:15
time?
2:15
PlayStation
2:17
Switch
2:18
playing
2:18
on
2:18
PC.
2:19
Ah,
2:19
nice.
2:20
All
2:20
right,
2:20
Andy,
2:21
what
2:21
have
2:21
you
2:21
been
2:21
geeking
2:21
out
2:21
on,
2:21
man?
2:23
My
2:23
family
2:23
and
2:24
I
2:24
really
2:24
enjoyed
2:24
the.
2:25
The
2:25
Electric
2:25
State
2:26
over
2:26
the
2:26
weekend.
2:27
I
2:27
think
2:27
that
2:27
puts
2:27
us.
2:27
I
2:27
think
2:28
we
2:28
might
2:28
be
2:28
Four
2:28
of
2:29
Nine
2:29
or
2:30
something
2:30
like
2:30
that.
2:31
People
2:31
who
2:32
will
2:33
stick
2:33
our
2:33
heads
2:33
out
2:33
and
2:34
say
2:34
that
2:34
we
2:34
enjoyed
2:34
it.
2:34
But
2:35
yeah,
2:35
we
2:35
had
2:35
a
2:35
good
2:35
time
2:36
with
2:36
some.
2:36
Some
2:37
robots
2:37
and.
2:38
Okay.
2:39
Some
2:39
moral
2:39
dilemmas.
2:40
Oh,
2:41
yeah,
2:41
yeah,
2:41
yeah.
2:41
That's.
2:42
That's.
2:42
That.
2:42
That
2:42
Netflix
2:43
movie.
2:43
Yeah.
2:43
I
2:44
was
2:44
trying
2:44
to
2:44
get
2:44
Will
2:44
to
2:44
watch
2:44
it.
2:45
I
2:45
thought
2:45
that
2:45
was
2:46
fantastic.
2:47
I
2:47
was
2:47
so
2:47
confused
2:48
why
2:48
it
2:48
wasn't
2:48
getting
2:49
good
2:49
ratings.
2:49
Like,
2:49
this
2:50
was
2:50
a
2:50
really
2:50
good
2:51
movie.
2:52
Yeah.
2:52
Do
2:52
people
2:53
just
2:53
not
2:53
want
2:53
to
2:53
like
2:54
things
2:54
anymore?
2:54
Is
2:55
just
2:55
that
2:55
not
2:55
a
2:55
thing
2:55
that
2:56
we
2:56
do?
2:57
I.
2:58
I
2:58
don't
2:58
know.
2:59
I.
2:59
For
3:00
part
3:00
of
3:00
it,
3:00
I
3:00
was.
3:01
I
3:01
was
3:01
like.
3:01
I
3:01
was
3:01
kind
3:01
of
3:01
curious
3:02
if
3:02
it
3:02
was
3:02
just
3:02
because
3:03
one
3:04
of
3:04
those
3:04
things
3:04
where
3:04
it's
3:04
making
3:05
commentary
3:06
on
3:07
certain
3:08
social
3:08
situations
3:09
that
3:09
people
3:09
are
3:09
uncomfortable
3:10
with.
3:10
So
3:10
they're
3:11
like,
3:11
I
3:11
don't
3:11
like
3:11
it
3:11
because
3:11
it
3:12
makes
3:12
me
3:12
uncomfortable.
3:13
But
3:13
that's
3:13
also
3:13
me
3:13
thinking
3:14
there
3:14
were
3:14
some
3:14
people,
3:14
so
3:15
maybe
3:15
it's
3:15
not
3:16
that,
3:17
but
3:18
I
3:18
don't
3:18
know.
3:18
I
3:18
thought
3:18
it
3:18
was
3:18
really
3:19
good.
3:19
So
3:20
I'm
3:21
gonna
3:21
say
3:21
that's
3:21
what
3:21
I
3:21
was
3:21
geeking
3:22
out
3:22
on
3:22
too.
3:22
Cause,
3:23
yeah,
3:23
I
3:23
did
3:23
enjoy
3:23
that
3:24
over
3:24
the
3:24
weekend.
3:24
It
3:24
was
3:24
a
3:24
fun
3:25
movie.
3:26
So
3:26
I'm
3:26
gonna
3:27
second
3:27
Andy's
3:28
and
3:28
move
3:28
on.
3:29
Guys.
3:29
If
3:29
you're
3:30
on
3:30
your
3:30
laptop
3:30
Please
3:30
consider
3:31
rating,
3:31
reviewing
3:31
our
3:31
show
3:32
on
3:32
podchaser
3:32
or
3:32
on
3:33
goodpod.
3:33
That's
3:33
gonna
3:33
help
3:33
our
3:34
show
3:34
gain
3:34
recognition
3:35
in
3:35
sear
3:35
such
3:36
as
3:36
Google.
3:37
That
3:37
helps
3:37
us
3:37
a
3:37
whole
3:38
lot
3:38
and
3:38
doesn't
3:38
take
3:38
a
3:38
whole
3:38
lot
3:39
of
3:39
time.
3:39
So
3:39
we
3:39
do
3:39
appreciate
3:40
that.
3:40
If
3:40
you're
3:40
on
3:41
your
3:41
phone,
3:42
not
3:42
on
3:42
the
3:42
laptop,
3:42
consider
3:43
rating,
3:43
reviewing
3:43
or
3:43
commenting
3:44
on
3:44
Apple
3:44
Podcasts
3:45
or
3:45
Spotify.
3:46
Same
3:46
gig,
3:47
helps
3:47
algorithms,
3:48
helps
3:48
us.
3:49
Takes
3:49
almost
3:50
no
3:50
time.
3:50
So
3:51
please
3:51
consider
3:51
doing
3:51
that.
3:51
We
3:52
would
3:52
really
3:52
appreciate
3:52
it.
3:53
We
3:53
also
3:53
appreciate
3:54
our
3:54
sponsors.
3:55
You
3:55
can
3:55
sponsor
3:56
the
3:56
show
3:56
on
3:56
Apple
3:56
Podcast,
3:57
Captivate
3:57
or
3:58
Patreon.
3:58
Today
3:59
we're
3:59
going
3:59
to
3:59
do
3:59
a
3:59
shout
3:59
out
3:59
to
4:00
Russell
4:00
Gentry.
4:01
We
4:01
love
4:01
you,
4:01
dude.
4:02
You
4:02
rock.
4:02
Thank
4:03
you
4:03
for
4:03
sponsoring
4:03
our
4:04
show.
4:04
And
4:04
remember,
4:05
everybody
4:05
else
4:05
who's
4:05
not
4:05
Russell,
4:06
if
4:06
you'd
4:06
like
4:07
your
4:07
own
4:07
shout
4:07
out,
4:07
you
4:07
too
4:08
could
4:08
support
4:08
our
4:08
show
4:08
for
4:09
$3
4:09
a
4:09
month
4:10
on
4:10
one
4:10
of
4:10
those
4:10
platforms,
4:11
Apple
4:11
Podcast,
4:11
Captivate
4:12
or
4:12
Patreon.
4:13
I
4:14
mentioned
4:14
it
4:14
earlier,
4:14
this
4:15
is
4:15
part
4:15
of
4:15
our
4:15
annual
4:16
theme
4:17
this
4:17
year
4:17
is
4:17
we're
4:17
doing
4:18
finding
4:19
the
4:19
good
4:19
in
4:19
the
4:19
other.
4:19
We're
4:20
talking
4:20
about
4:20
like
4:20
polarization
4:21
and
4:22
that's.
4:22
That's
4:22
our
4:22
theme
4:23
this
4:23
year.
4:23
We're
4:23
going
4:23
through
4:24
it.
4:24
It's
4:24
going
4:24
to
4:25
be
4:25
fun.
4:27
Today
4:27
is
4:27
Starfleet
4:29
versus
4:29
the
4:30
Klingons.
4:31
Going
4:31
through
4:31
the
4:31
Star
4:32
Trek
4:32
series.
4:33
It
4:33
is
4:33
known
4:33
for
4:33
having
4:34
this
4:34
fight
4:34
come
4:34
up
4:35
over
4:35
and
4:35
over
4:35
again.
4:36
Nuanced
4:37
later
4:37
on
4:37
after
4:38
the
4:38
orig
4:39
a
4:39
little
4:39
bit,
4:40
but
4:41
Star
4:41
Trek,
4:42
Klingons,
4:43
very
4:43
different
4:43
cultures.
4:44
Basically
4:45
Starfleet
4:46
is,
4:46
hey,
4:46
we're
4:46
trying
4:46
to
4:47
explore.
4:47
We're
4:47
the
4:47
scientists.
4:48
We
4:48
want
4:48
to
4:48
bring
4:48
everyone
4:49
together
4:49
to
4:49
have,
4:50
you
4:50
know,
4:50
beneficial
4:51
politics
4:51
for
4:52
all
4:52
the
4:52
planets
4:53
kind
4:53
of
4:53
deal,
4:54
sort
4:54
of.
4:54
I'm
4:55
very
4:55
oversimplifying
4:56
it.
4:56
Just
4:56
roll
4:57
with
4:57
it.
4:58
Klingons
4:59
are
4:59
kind
4:59
of
4:59
a
4:59
warrior
5:00
culture
5:00
and
5:00
they're
5:00
like,
5:00
what?
5:00
What
5:01
do
5:01
you
5:01
mean?
5:01
Peace
5:01
and
5:01
unity.
5:02
What
5:02
if
5:03
we
5:03
just
5:03
chopped
5:03
your
5:03
head
5:04
off?
5:04
Not
5:05
really.
5:05
Again,
5:06
oversimplifying
5:07
it.
5:07
But
5:08
we'll
5:09
get
5:09
into
5:09
a
5:09
little
5:09
bit
5:09
more
5:09
of
5:10
the
5:10
nuance
5:10
here
5:10
in
5:10
a
5:10
little
5:10
bit.
5:11
That's
5:11
the
5:12
gist,
5:12
I
5:12
guess.
5:14
For
5:14
now
5:14
though,
5:14
I
5:14
want
5:15
to
5:15
see
5:15
if
5:15
anybody
5:15
can
5:15
help
5:15
me
5:16
kind
5:16
of
5:16
explain
5:17
a
5:17
little
5:17
bit
5:17
more.
5:18
Dig
5:18
in
5:18
a
5:18
little
5:19
bit
5:19
with
5:19
some
5:19
of
5:19
the
5:19
history.
5:20
When
5:20
it
5:20
comes
5:20
to
5:20
this
5:21
conflict,
5:22
I'm
5:23
going
5:23
to
5:23
throw
5:23
it
5:23
to
5:23
Herbie.
5:24
Herbie,
5:25
when
5:25
it
5:25
comes
5:25
to
5:25
like
5:25
the
5:26
Klingons,
5:26
when
5:26
it
5:26
comes
5:26
to
5:26
like
5:27
those
5:27
original
5:27
Star
5:28
Trek
5:29
movies,
5:29
there
5:30
were
5:30
bad
5:30
guys
5:30
and
5:30
there
5:31
was
5:31
a
5:31
war,
5:31
then
5:31
there
5:31
was
5:32
a
5:32
treaty.
5:33
Could
5:33
you
5:33
like
5:34
what
5:34
happened?
5:34
Could
5:34
you
5:34
explain
5:35
it
5:35
a
5:35
little
5:35
bit?
5:36
So
5:36
I
5:37
can't
5:37
remember
5:37
the
5:37
lore
5:38
exactly
5:38
in
5:39
how
5:40
the
5:40
two
5:40
started
5:41
conf.
5:41
How
5:42
the
5:42
conflict
5:42
between
5:43
them
5:43
started,
5:44
but
5:44
you
5:44
basically
5:45
had
5:45
this
5:45
warrior
5:46
race
5:46
of
5:46
Klingons
5:47
that
5:47
were
5:48
at
5:48
war
5:48
for
5:49
a
5:49
long
5:49
time
5:49
with
5:50
the
5:50
Federation.
5:51
And
5:52
then
5:52
they
5:53
eventually
5:53
came
5:53
to
5:53
a
5:54
peace
5:54
treaty
5:54
which
5:54
was
5:55
more
5:55
like
5:55
a
5:55
tentative
5:56
peace.
5:56
You
5:56
can
5:56
kind
5:56
of
5:56
think
5:57
of
5:57
it
5:57
as
5:57
something
5:57
more
5:58
along
5:58
the
5:59
North
5:59
Korea,
5:59
South
6:00
Korea
6:00
peace
6:00
of
6:00
the
6:00
day,
6:01
where
6:01
there's
6:02
still
6:02
a
6:02
lot
6:02
of
6:02
hostility
6:03
between
6:03
the
6:03
two
6:04
groups,
6:04
but
6:05
they've
6:05
kind
6:06
of
6:06
had
6:06
a
6:06
ceasefire.
6:07
They've
6:07
got
6:07
this
6:07
neutral
6:08
zone
6:08
between
6:08
them
6:09
that
6:09
nobody
6:09
dares
6:10
go
6:10
between.
6:11
And
6:12
they
6:12
basically
6:13
agree
6:13
that
6:13
we're
6:14
not
6:14
at
6:14
war
6:14
with
6:14
each
6:14
other
6:15
right
6:15
now
6:15
because,
6:16
well,
6:16
we'll
6:16
both
6:16
die.
6:17
Yeah,
6:17
yeah,
6:17
yeah,
6:18
it
6:18
was
6:18
interesting.
6:19
So
6:20
the
6:20
original
6:21
series
6:21
and
6:21
then
6:21
some
6:21
of
6:21
the
6:22
earlier
6:22
original
6:22
movies,
6:23
there's
6:23
a
6:23
lot
6:23
of
6:23
those
6:24
movies
6:24
just
6:25
roll
6:25
with
6:26
me,
6:26
guys.
6:26
If
6:27
I
6:27
remember
6:27
right,
6:27
the
6:27
Klingons
6:28
were
6:28
kind
6:28
of
6:28
basically
6:28
just
6:29
this
6:29
race
6:30
is
6:30
the
6:30
bad
6:30
guys.
6:31
And
6:32
I,
6:32
I'm
6:33
not
6:33
sure,
6:33
maybe
6:33
Andy
6:34
knows
6:34
more
6:34
of
6:34
like
6:34
the
6:35
behind
6:35
the
6:35
scenes
6:35
history
6:35
than
6:36
I
6:36
do,
6:36
but
6:37
it
6:37
felt
6:37
kind
6:37
of
6:38
like
6:38
they
6:38
went,
6:38
wait
6:38
a
6:38
minute,
6:39
having
6:39
an
6:40
entire
6:40
race
6:40
be
6:41
the
6:41
bad
6:41
guy
6:41
seems
6:42
like
6:42
we're
6:42
encouraging
6:43
racism.
6:43
So
6:44
maybe
6:44
we
6:44
should
6:44
nuance
6:45
this
6:45
a
6:45
little
6:45
bit.
6:46
It
6:47
kind
6:47
of
6:47
feels
6:47
like
6:47
retroactively
6:48
they
6:48
look
6:48
back
6:48
on,
6:48
it
6:48
went,
6:49
wait
6:49
a
6:49
minute,
6:49
this
6:49
is
6:50
problematic.
6:52
So
6:52
then
6:52
they,
6:53
they
6:53
try
6:53
to
6:53
make
6:53
like
6:53
a
6:54
peace
6:54
treaty
6:54
thing
6:55
happen
6:55
even
6:55
though
6:55
they
6:56
were
6:56
all
6:56
just
6:56
villains
6:57
at
6:57
one
6:57
point.
6:58
Because
6:58
I
6:58
was
6:58
like,
6:58
yeah,
6:58
that's
6:59
not
6:59
really
6:59
in
6:59
the
6:59
heart
7:00
of
7:00
what
7:00
Starfleet's
7:00
about.
7:01
So
7:01
we
7:01
want
7:01
peace
7:02
to
7:02
happen,
7:02
but
7:03
then
7:03
we
7:03
still
7:03
need
7:03
this
7:03
MacGuffin
7:05
of
7:05
like
7:05
bad
7:06
guys
7:06
who
7:06
are
7:06
strong.
7:07
So
7:08
now
7:08
it's
7:08
like
7:08
there's
7:08
peace,
7:09
but
7:09
you
7:10
don't
7:10
go
7:10
to
7:10
that
7:10
neutral
7:10
zone.
7:11
And
7:11
then
7:11
of
7:11
course
7:11
everyone
7:12
ends
7:12
up
7:12
stuck
7:12
in
7:12
the
7:12
neutral
7:13
zone
7:13
for
7:13
some
7:13
reason.
7:13
And
7:14
then
7:14
fights
7:14
persist
7:15
because,
7:15
well,
7:15
we
7:15
still
7:16
want
7:16
to
7:16
have
7:16
those
7:16
fights.
7:17
We
7:17
just
7:17
want
7:17
to
7:17
seem
7:17
like
7:18
it's
7:18
not
7:18
as
7:19
black
7:19
and
7:19
white
7:20
as
7:20
it
7:20
was
7:21
previously.
7:22
Andy,
7:23
anything
7:23
to
7:23
add
7:23
when
7:23
it
7:24
comes
7:24
to
7:24
some
7:24
of
7:24
this?
8:21
Because
8:22
I
8:22
feel
8:22
like
8:23
still
8:23
really
8:24
oversimplifying
7:27
it.
8:25
Yeah,
8:25
I
8:26
mean,
8:26
I
8:26
can't
8:26
speak
8:27
to
8:27
what
8:28
the
8:28
behind
8:28
the
8:28
scenes
8:29
rationale
8:29
was.
8:30
Certainly
8:31
as
8:31
a
8:31
viewer,
8:32
it
8:32
felt
8:32
like,
8:33
you
8:33
know,
8:33
the
8:33
Klingons
8:34
were,
8:35
you
8:35
know,
8:36
the
8:36
Klingon
8:37
Federation
8:37
kind
8:38
of
8:38
interaction
8:39
standoff
8:39
was
8:39
a,
8:40
was
8:40
something
8:40
of
8:40
a
8:40
Cold
8:40
War
8:41
metaphor
8:42
among
8:43
other
8:43
things.
8:43
Right.
8:44
I
8:44
mean,
8:44
and
8:44
it's
8:44
not
8:44
a
8:44
perfect
8:45
one
8:45
to
8:45
one
8:45
mapping,
8:45
but
8:46
there
8:46
were
8:46
definitely
8:46
elements
8:46
of
8:47
that.
8:47
And
8:48
certainly
8:48
it's
8:48
the,
8:49
the
8:50
movies
8:50
went
8:50
on.
8:52
There
8:52
was
8:52
some
8:52
of
8:52
that.
8:52
And
8:53
then,
8:53
you
8:53
know,
8:53
with
8:54
the
8:55
thawing
8:55
of
8:56
U.S.
8:56
soviet
8:56
relations
8:57
and
8:57
the
8:58
collapse
8:58
of
8:59
the
8:59
Soviet
9:00
Union.
9:01
Right.
9:01
To
9:01
me,
9:02
that
9:02
was
9:02
what
9:03
Star
9:03
Trek
9:03
6
9:03
was
9:04
about.
9:04
And
9:05
so
9:05
I
9:05
don't
9:05
know
9:05
if
9:05
they
9:06
all.
9:06
There
9:06
was
9:06
also
9:06
an
9:07
element
9:07
of
9:09
recognizing
9:10
the
9:10
racial
9:11
problematic
9:12
element
9:12
of
9:13
it.
9:14
And
9:15
I'm
9:15
not
9:15
totally
9:15
convinced
9:16
that
9:16
that's
9:16
an
9:16
aspect.
9:17
Right.
9:17
Because
9:17
we.
9:18
Because
9:18
you
9:18
just
9:18
trade
9:18
the
9:19
Klingons
9:19
for,
9:20
you
9:20
know,
9:20
other
9:21
alien
9:21
races
9:22
who
9:22
become
9:23
the,
9:23
you
9:23
know,
9:24
uniformly
9:25
villainous
9:26
subsequently.
9:27
But,
9:28
yeah,
9:29
so
9:29
it
9:29
read
9:29
to
9:29
me
9:30
at
9:30
the
9:30
time
9:30
is
9:31
more
9:31
about,
9:31
well,
9:31
you
9:31
know,
9:32
the
9:32
Soviet
9:32
Union
9:32
is
9:32
falling,
9:33
the
9:33
Cold
9:33
War
9:33
is
9:33
ending,
9:33
and
9:34
so
9:34
let's
9:34
have
9:34
that
9:34
reflected
9:35
in
9:35
Star
9:35
Trek
9:36
as
9:36
well.
9:36
And
9:37
so,
9:37
you
9:38
know,
9:38
my
9:38
recollection
9:39
is
9:39
the.
9:40
This
9:41
Klingon
9:41
homeworld
9:42
or
9:42
a
9:42
major
9:43
population
9:43
center
9:44
of
9:44
the
9:44
Klingon
9:44
Empire
9:45
is
9:46
blown
9:46
up
9:47
and
9:48
that
9:48
puts
9:49
them
9:49
in.
9:50
That
9:50
kind
9:50
of
9:50
creates
9:50
an
9:50
existential
9:51
crisis
9:51
for
9:51
the
9:51
Klingons
9:52
and
9:52
puts
9:52
them
9:52
on
9:53
a
9:53
footing
9:53
where
9:53
now
9:53
they
9:54
have
9:54
to
9:55
contemplate
9:57
some
9:57
kind
9:57
of
9:57
negotiation
9:59
with
10:00
the
10:01
Federation
10:02
because
10:04
they
10:04
can't
10:05
go
10:05
on
10:05
otherwise.
10:06
Their
10:06
numbers
10:07
have
10:07
been
10:07
reduced,
10:07
their
10:07
resources
10:08
have
10:08
been
10:08
reduced.
10:09
But
10:10
I'm
10:10
not
10:10
totally
10:10
convinced
10:10
that
10:11
I'm
10:11
on
10:11
the
10:11
same
10:12
page
10:12
because
10:12
I'm
10:12
not
10:12
remembering
10:13
the
10:13
Neutral
10:13
Zone
10:14
as
10:14
a
10:14
thing
10:14
with
10:14
the
10:15
Klingons.
10:16
I,
10:16
you
10:16
know,
10:16
I
10:17
remember
10:17
that
10:17
as
10:17
a
10:17
thing
10:17
with
10:17
the
10:18
Romulans,
10:18
but
10:19
I'm
10:20
not
10:20
remembering
10:20
much
10:21
about
10:21
the
10:21
Neutral
10:22
Zone
10:22
with
10:22
the
10:22
Klingon.
10:22
So
10:22
I'm
10:22
not
10:22
totally
10:23
sure
10:23
that
10:23
I'm
10:24
remembering
10:24
all
10:24
the
10:24
right.
10:25
All
10:25
the
10:25
right
10:25
bits.
10:26
I
10:26
think
10:26
you
10:26
might
10:26
be
10:26
right
10:27
on
10:27
that.
10:27
I
10:27
somewhat
10:28
remember
10:28
having
10:28
it
10:29
there
10:29
at
10:29
one
10:29
time,
10:29
but
10:30
it
10:30
may
10:31
be
10:31
where
10:31
I'm
10:31
confusing
10:32
the
10:32
thing
10:32
with
10:32
the
10:33
Romulans,
10:33
which
10:34
is
10:34
a
10:34
totally
10:34
different
10:35
game,
10:36
but
10:36
they
10:37
definitely
10:37
had,
10:37
like,
10:38
that
10:38
hard
10:38
border
10:39
set.
10:39
Sure.
10:40
There
10:40
was
10:40
definitely.
10:40
Yeah,
10:41
there
10:41
was
10:41
definitely
10:41
a
10:41
line
10:42
of,
10:42
this
10:42
is
10:43
Klingon
10:43
territory,
10:43
this
10:44
is
10:44
Federation
10:44
territory.
10:45
Yeah.
10:45
Yeah.
10:46
It
10:46
looks
10:46
like
10:46
they
10:46
both
10:46
have
10:47
a
10:47
Neutral
10:47
Zone,
10:48
according
10:48
to
10:49
Wikipedia,
10:51
so
10:51
take
10:51
that
10:52
for
10:52
what
10:52
you
10:52
will.
10:53
What's
10:53
interesting,
10:53
though,
10:54
not
10:55
to
10:55
make
10:55
you
10:55
the
10:55
old
10:56
man
10:56
in
10:56
the
10:56
room,
10:56
Andy,
10:57
but
10:57
I
10:57
think
10:57
it's
10:57
like
10:58
Herbie
10:58
and
10:59
I
10:59
have
10:59
only
10:59
watched
11:00
these,
11:00
like,
11:00
retrospect,
11:01
neither
11:02
of
11:02
us
11:02
were
11:02
alive
11:03
when
11:03
they
11:03
were
11:03
coming
11:04
out,
11:04
especially
11:05
with
11:05
the
11:05
Cold
11:05
War
11:06
stuff.
11:06
Well,
11:06
actually,
11:06
I
11:06
think
11:06
we
11:07
might
11:07
have
11:07
been
11:07
alive
11:07
for
11:07
some
11:07
of
11:07
the
11:08
older.
11:08
The
11:09
newer.
11:10
Yeah,
11:11
the
11:11
later
11:11
movies
11:12
was
11:12
there
11:13
for
11:13
it,
11:13
but
11:13
I
11:13
did
11:14
kind
11:14
of
11:14
come
11:14
to
11:15
age
11:15
with
11:15
the
11:15
early
11:16
Next
11:16
Generation,
11:16
so.
11:17
Yeah.
11:18
Yeah,
11:18
so
11:18
that's
11:19
like.
11:19
I
11:19
would
11:19
have
11:19
never
11:19
had
11:20
any
11:20
context
11:20
for,
11:20
like,
11:20
the
11:21
Cold
11:21
War
11:21
stuff.
11:21
That
11:21
makes
11:21
a
11:21
lot
11:22
of
11:22
sense,
11:22
though,
11:22
because
11:22
you
11:22
can
11:22
kind
11:22
of
11:23
see
11:23
similarities
11:23
between,
11:24
like,
11:24
how
11:24
they're
11:25
representing
11:25
Klingon
11:26
and
11:26
how,
11:26
like,
11:27
we
11:27
thought
11:27
of
11:27
Russians
11:27
of
11:28
like,
11:28
these
11:28
tough,
11:28
like,
11:28
oh,
11:29
yeah,
11:29
meat
11:30
and
11:30
beer.
11:30
And
11:31
you
11:31
know,
11:32
one
11:32
of
11:32
the
11:32
things
11:33
that's
11:33
interesting,
11:33
too,
11:34
all
11:34
throughout
11:35
Star
11:35
Trek,
11:35
not
11:35
just
11:35
the
11:35
original
11:36
series.
11:36
Well,
11:37
especially
11:37
after
11:38
the
11:38
treaty.
11:38
I'll
11:38
say
11:38
especially
11:39
after
11:39
the
11:39
treaty.
11:40
Sometimes
11:41
it's
11:41
not
11:41
just
11:41
Klingons
11:42
are
11:42
bad.
11:42
Now
11:42
we're
11:42
going
11:42
to
11:42
fight
11:42
them
11:43
because
11:43
we
11:43
were
11:43
in
11:43
a
11:43
neutral
11:44
zone
11:44
or
11:44
we
11:44
were
11:44
in
11:44
some
11:44
weird
11:45
space
11:45
that
11:45
they
11:45
didn't
11:46
want
11:46
us
11:46
to
11:46
be
11:46
at
11:46
or
11:46
something.
11:47
Every
11:47
now
11:48
and
11:48
then
11:48
you
11:48
have
11:49
these
11:49
conundrums
11:50
because
11:50
Starfleet,
11:51
one
11:51
of
11:51
their
11:51
things
11:51
is
11:51
like,
11:52
respecting
11:52
people's
11:52
culture
11:53
and
11:53
incorporating
11:53
people
11:54
on
11:54
their
11:54
own
11:54
terms,
11:54
basically,
11:55
which
11:55
is
11:56
what
11:56
I
11:56
argue
11:56
the
11:57
church
11:57
should
11:57
do.
11:58
But
11:58
then
11:58
you
11:59
have
11:59
this,
11:59
like,
12:00
difficulty
12:01
with
12:01
the
12:01
Klingons
12:02
because
12:02
it's
12:02
like,
12:02
how
12:02
do
12:02
you
12:02
bring
12:03
in
12:03
a
12:03
culture
12:03
of
12:03
war
12:04
when
12:04
you're
12:04
trying
12:04
to
12:05
create
12:05
peace
12:05
with
12:05
everyone?
12:05
Because,
12:06
like,
12:06
you
12:06
can't
12:07
bringing
12:07
them
12:07
in
12:07
on
12:08
their
12:08
terms
12:08
because
12:08
on
12:08
their
12:08
terms
12:09
means
12:09
we're
12:09
going
12:09
to
12:10
be
12:10
killing
12:10
things,
12:11
you
12:11
know,
12:12
which
12:13
brings
12:13
a
12:13
lot
12:13
of
12:13
nuance
12:14
and
12:14
complications
12:15
throughout
12:15
the
12:15
series.
12:16
One
12:17
of
12:17
the
12:17
best
12:17
examples
12:18
you
12:18
see
12:18
throughout
12:19
the
12:19
character
12:20
of
12:21
Worf
12:22
and
12:23
all
12:23
throughout,
12:24
you
12:24
know,
12:24
you
12:24
mentioned
12:25
Next
12:25
Gen.
12:25
I
12:25
can
12:25
never
12:26
get
12:26
through
12:26
Next
12:26
Gen
12:26
for
12:26
some
12:27
reason.
12:27
It's
12:27
just
12:28
hard
12:28
for
12:28
me.
12:29
But
12:29
he
12:30
also
12:30
ends
12:30
up
12:30
joining
12:32
the
12:32
one
12:33
that
12:33
I
12:33
really
12:33
do
12:33
like
12:33
that
12:34
my
12:34
brain.
12:34
Deep
12:34
Space
12:34
Nine.
12:35
There
12:35
it
12:35
is.
12:35
He
12:35
also
12:35
ends
12:35
up
12:36
joining
12:36
Deep
12:36
Space
12:37
Nine
12:37
and
12:37
I
12:37
loved
12:37
him
12:38
in
12:38
that
12:38
one
12:38
as
12:38
well.
12:39
Andy,
12:40
I'll
12:40
let
12:40
you
12:40
start.
12:40
Do
12:41
you
12:41
want
12:41
to
12:41
break
12:41
down
12:41
some
12:41
of,
12:41
like,
12:42
Wharf
12:42
and
12:42
some
12:42
of
12:42
these
12:42
complications
12:43
we
12:43
see
12:43
when
12:44
it
12:44
comes
12:44
to,
12:44
like,
12:44
trying
12:45
to
12:45
respect
12:45
Klingon
12:46
culture
12:46
even
12:46
though
12:46
their
12:47
values
12:47
don't
12:47
necessarily
12:48
line
12:48
up
12:48
with
12:48
Starfleet.
12:49
Sure,
12:49
yeah.
12:50
So,
12:51
you
12:52
know,
12:52
Star
12:52
Trek
12:52
the
12:52
Next
12:53
Generation
12:53
begins
12:54
and
12:55
we've
12:55
got
12:55
a
12:55
Klingon
12:56
on
12:56
the
12:56
bridge
12:56
of
12:56
the
12:57
Enterprise.
12:57
Right.
12:57
Which
12:57
is
12:58
quite
12:58
a
12:58
radical
12:59
departure
12:59
from
13:00
certainly
13:00
in
13:00
the
13:00
original
13:01
series,
13:02
you
13:02
know,
13:03
and,
13:04
you
13:04
know,
13:04
and
13:04
I
13:04
think
13:04
it
13:04
was
13:05
intentionally,
13:05
a
13:05
bit
13:06
provocative,
13:06
a
13:07
bit,
13:07
you
13:07
know,
13:07
like,
13:07
what
13:08
kind
13:08
of
13:08
that
13:08
what
13:09
if
13:09
scenario?
13:09
What
13:09
if.
13:10
What
13:10
if
13:10
the
13:10
Klingons
13:11
were
13:12
part
13:13
of.
13:13
Could
13:13
be
13:13
part
13:13
of
13:13
the
13:14
Federation.
13:16
And
13:16
yeah,
13:17
over
13:17
the
13:17
course
13:17
of
13:19
his
13:20
time
13:20
on
13:20
Next
13:20
Generation
13:21
and
13:21
Deep
13:22
Space
13:22
Nine,
13:22
there
13:23
would
13:23
be
13:23
those
13:23
occasional
13:24
episodes
13:24
where
13:26
some
13:26
element
13:27
of
13:27
Klingon
13:28
honor
13:28
culture
13:29
would
13:30
come
13:30
up
13:30
or
13:31
he'd
13:31
have
13:31
some
13:31
dispute
13:32
with
13:32
other
13:33
Klingons
13:33
or
13:34
other
13:34
people
13:34
in
13:34
the
13:34
Enterprise.
13:35
And
13:36
from
13:36
his
13:36
perspective,
13:37
the
13:37
way
13:37
to
13:37
resolve
13:37
that
13:38
was
13:38
with
13:38
some
13:39
kind
13:39
of
13:39
ritual
13:39
combat
13:40
or
13:40
fight
13:41
to
13:41
the
13:41
death
13:41
or
13:41
something
13:42
like
13:42
that.
13:43
There
13:43
were
13:43
different
13:43
elements
13:44
of
13:44
the
13:44
Klingon
13:45
culture
13:45
that
13:45
would
13:45
come
13:45
in.
13:46
And
13:46
so,
13:46
yeah,
13:46
it
13:46
would
13:46
bring
13:46
up
13:47
these
13:47
questions
13:47
of
13:48
how
13:48
does
13:48
Starfleet
13:49
honor
13:49
that?
13:50
How
13:50
does
13:50
Starfleet
13:51
respect
13:51
this
13:51
other
13:52
culture
13:52
when
13:53
there
13:53
are
13:54
some
13:54
core
13:54
values
13:54
that
13:55
just
13:55
don't
13:55
seem
13:55
to
13:55
align
13:56
with
13:56
the
13:56
overall
13:56
Federation
13:57
mission
13:58
of
14:00
resolving
14:01
things
14:01
peacefully
14:01
and
14:02
being
14:03
non
14:03
aggressive
14:04
and
14:04
all
14:04
that
14:04
kind
14:04
of
14:05
thing.
14:07
I
14:07
wish
14:07
I
14:07
could
14:08
remember
14:08
exact
14:08
episode
14:09
titles
14:09
or
14:09
things
14:09
like
14:10
that.
14:10
It's
14:10
been
14:11
a
14:11
while
14:11
since
14:11
I
14:12
watched
14:13
any
14:13
of
14:13
the
14:13
Next
14:14
Generation
14:14
stuff
14:15
that
14:16
extensively,
14:17
but
14:18
I
14:18
do
14:18
remember
14:18
those
14:18
being
14:19
some.
14:20
Some
14:20
engaging
14:21
episodes
14:21
and
14:21
creating
14:22
some
14:22
interesting
14:23
ethical
14:23
dilemmas
14:24
of
14:25
what,
14:25
what.
14:26
When
14:26
you
14:26
have
14:26
values
14:27
in
14:27
conflict,
14:27
which
14:28
values
14:30
went
14:30
out?
14:31
Yeah.
14:32
With
14:33
Wharf,
14:33
it
14:33
also
14:34
is
14:34
important
14:34
to
14:35
recognize
14:35
that
14:36
he
14:36
was
14:37
Klingon,
14:38
but
14:38
he
14:38
was
14:38
also
14:39
trying
14:39
to
14:39
reclaim
14:40
his
14:40
Klingon
14:40
heritage
14:41
because
14:41
he
14:41
grew
14:41
up
14:42
in
14:42
the
14:42
Federation.
14:43
And
14:44
that
14:44
led
14:45
him
14:45
to
14:45
take
14:45
a
14:46
very
14:46
idealized
14:47
viewpoint
14:47
of
14:47
his
14:48
native
14:48
culture,
14:49
which
14:49
often
14:50
clashed
14:50
even
14:51
with
14:51
his
14:51
native
14:51
cult,
14:52
where
14:53
he's
14:53
like,
14:54
this
14:54
is
14:54
why
14:54
you're
14:54
supposed
14:55
to
14:55
act.
14:55
And
14:55
the
14:55
Glingons
14:55
are
14:56
like,
14:56
yeah,
14:57
but
14:58
yeah.
14:59
And
15:00
it's
15:00
like,
15:01
even
15:01
then
15:02
he's
15:02
struggling
15:02
because
15:03
he
15:03
doesn't
15:03
fit
15:04
in
15:04
here.
15:04
He
15:04
doesn't
15:05
exactly
15:05
fit
15:05
in
15:06
there.
15:06
He's
15:07
stuck
15:07
somewhere
15:07
in
15:07
the
15:07
middle.
15:08
Yeah,
15:08
that's
15:08
a
15:09
great
15:09
point.
15:09
And
15:10
you
15:10
know,
15:10
I
15:11
really
15:11
try
15:11
not
15:11
to
15:11
like,
15:12
shoehorn
15:12
church
15:13
issues
15:13
into
15:13
these
15:13
episodes
15:14
and
15:14
let
15:14
them,
15:14
like,
15:15
speak
15:15
for
15:15
themselves.
15:15
But
15:17
it's
15:17
hard
15:17
for
15:17
me
15:17
with
15:18
Starfleet
15:18
because
15:18
so
15:18
much
15:18
of
15:19
it
15:19
aligns
15:20
so
15:20
well
15:20
that
15:20
I'm
15:21
like,
15:21
oh,
15:21
man.
15:21
Because
15:22
I
15:22
do
15:22
think
15:22
of
15:22
a
15:22
lot
15:22
of
15:23
conversations
15:23
I
15:23
hear
15:24
in
15:24
certain
15:24
church
15:24
circles
15:25
now
15:25
where,
15:26
like,
15:26
people
15:26
from
15:26
certain
15:27
cultures
15:28
almost
15:28
feel
15:28
out
15:28
of
15:28
place
15:29
in
15:29
our
15:29
worship
15:29
areas
15:30
because,
15:30
like,
15:30
we
15:30
haven't
15:31
developed
15:33
a
15:33
place
15:34
that
15:34
makes
15:34
it
15:35
easy
15:35
for
15:35
certain
15:35
people
15:36
who
15:36
grow
15:36
up
15:36
certain
15:36
ways
15:37
to
15:37
be
15:37
their
15:37
true
15:37
selves
15:38
in
15:38
the
15:38
church
15:38
environment.
15:40
You
15:40
know,
15:40
I
15:41
remember
15:41
this.
15:41
I've
15:41
had
15:41
several
15:42
conversations
15:42
of
15:43
friends
15:43
of
15:43
mine
15:43
who
15:43
are
15:44
black,
15:44
who
15:44
are
15:44
like,
15:44
yeah,
15:45
Christianity
15:46
is
15:46
a
15:46
white
15:46
man's
15:47
religion.
15:47
And
15:47
I'm
15:47
like,
15:47
well,
15:48
I
15:48
don't
15:48
know
15:48
what
15:48
to
15:48
do
15:48
with
15:48
that
15:49
because,
15:49
like,
15:49
like,
15:50
I
15:50
can't
15:50
speak
15:50
to
15:50
that.
15:51
I
15:51
am
15:51
a
15:51
white
15:51
man,
15:51
so
15:52
anything
15:52
I
15:52
say
15:53
is
15:53
just
15:53
white
15:53
man
15:54
thoughts.
15:54
You
15:54
know,
15:54
it
15:54
is
15:55
like.
15:56
But,
15:56
you
15:56
know,
15:56
I
15:56
do
15:57
think
15:57
we
15:57
do
15:58
tend
15:58
to
15:58
make
15:58
things
15:59
easier
15:59
for
15:59
the
15:59
people
15:59
who
15:59
are
16:00
already
16:00
there,
16:01
whether
16:02
church,
16:02
workplace,
16:03
whatever.
16:04
And
16:04
then
16:04
sometimes
16:04
it's
16:05
harder
16:05
for
16:05
people
16:05
who
16:05
want
16:06
to
16:06
be
16:06
brought
16:06
in
16:07
to
16:08
be
16:08
their
16:08
true
16:08
selves
16:09
in
16:09
that
16:09
new
16:09
environment.
16:09
And
16:10
it's
16:10
really
16:10
interesting
16:11
seeing
16:11
how
16:11
Worf
16:12
does
16:12
try
16:12
to
16:13
figure
16:13
it
16:13
out
16:13
because
16:13
he's
16:13
like,
16:14
I
16:14
want
16:14
to
16:14
keep
16:14
this
16:15
part
16:15
of
16:15
my
16:15
heritage,
16:16
but
16:16
I
16:16
also
16:17
believe
16:17
in
16:17
these
16:17
values.
16:18
The
16:18
Starfleet
16:19
and
16:20
it
16:20
isn't
16:20
easy.
16:22
One
16:23
of
16:23
the
16:23
relationships
16:23
I
16:23
really
16:24
love,
16:24
though
16:24
was
16:25
Wharf
16:25
and
16:26
Dax
16:26
in
16:26
Deep
16:27
Space
16:27
Nine
16:28
because
16:29
Dax
16:29
is
16:30
also
16:30
kind
16:30
of
16:30
from
16:31
more
16:31
of
16:31
a
16:31
aggressive
16:32
race,
16:32
I
16:32
guess
16:32
you
16:32
could
16:32
say
16:33
culture.
16:34
So
16:34
they
16:34
do
16:34
have
16:35
their
16:35
little
16:35
combats
16:36
and
16:36
fights
16:36
and
16:36
it's
16:36
like
16:37
he
16:37
finally
16:37
has
16:37
someone
16:38
who
16:38
can
16:38
relate
16:38
to
16:38
him
16:38
and
16:38
understands
16:39
the
16:39
struggle
16:39
that
16:40
he's
16:40
having
16:40
with
16:40
Starfleet
16:40
where,
16:41
like,
16:41
I
16:41
agree
16:41
with
16:42
them.
16:42
But
16:42
also
16:43
somehow,
16:44
sometimes
16:44
when
16:44
they're
16:45
doing
16:45
these
16:45
negotiations
16:46
I'm
16:46
like,
16:46
why
16:46
don't
16:46
you
16:47
just
16:47
fight
16:47
that
16:47
guy?
16:48
And
16:48
you're
16:48
like,
16:48
yeah,
16:49
you
16:49
know
16:49
what?
16:50
That
16:50
does
16:50
sound
16:51
easier
16:51
sometimes.
16:54
But,
16:54
yeah.
16:54
Herbie,
16:54
anything.
16:55
Anything
16:55
else
16:55
to
16:56
add
16:56
when
16:56
it
16:56
comes
16:56
to
16:57
Worf
16:57
in
16:58
how
16:58
he
16:58
plays
16:58
a
16:58
role
16:59
in
16:59
this
16:59
tension?
17:01
Well,
17:01
Worf
17:02
also
17:02
has
17:03
another
17:03
bit
17:03
of
17:03
tension
17:04
in
17:04
him
17:04
and
17:04
that
17:04
he
17:05
is
17:05
a
17:05
Starfleet
17:06
officer
17:06
meaning
17:07
he
17:07
has
17:07
already
17:07
chosen
17:08
that
17:08
he
17:08
is
17:08
on
17:09
the
17:09
side
17:09
of
17:09
Starfleet.
17:10
And
17:11
that
17:11
does
17:12
also
17:12
come
17:12
into
17:12
play
17:13
because
17:13
there
17:13
are
17:14
times
17:14
when
17:14
Starfleet
17:15
and
17:16
the
17:16
Klingons
17:16
are
17:17
not
17:17
at
17:17
peace
17:18
and
17:18
that
17:18
leaves
17:18
him
17:19
stuck
17:19
in
17:19
the
17:19
middle
17:20
because
17:20
he's.
17:21
He
17:22
can't
17:22
betray
17:22
his
17:22
own
17:23
people
17:23
because
17:23
that'd
17:24
be
17:24
dishonorable
17:25
but
17:25
he
17:25
can't
17:25
betray
17:26
Starfleet
17:27
because
17:27
that
17:27
would
17:27
be
17:27
dishonorable.
17:29
And
17:29
he
17:30
kind
17:30
of
17:30
has
17:30
to
17:30
play
17:30
that.
17:30
I
17:31
think
17:31
there
17:31
was,
17:31
actually,
17:31
at
17:31
one
17:31
point
17:32
even
17:32
has
17:32
to
17:33
resign
17:33
his
17:33
commission
17:34
in
17:34
Starfleet
17:34
because
17:35
he
17:35
can't
17:36
do
17:36
what
17:36
he
17:36
thinks
17:37
is
17:37
right
17:37
and
17:38
remain
17:38
a
17:38
Starfleet
17:39
officer.
17:39
Yeah.
17:40
Yeah.
17:40
I
17:40
mean,
17:40
that
17:40
makes
17:40
sense.
17:41
It's.
17:42
It's.
17:43
This
17:43
is
17:43
also
17:44
probably
17:44
a
17:44
weird
17:44
parallel
17:45
but
17:45
it
17:45
makes
17:45
me
17:45
think
17:45
of
17:45
some
17:46
of
17:46
the
17:46
stuff
17:46
that
17:46
you
17:46
hear
17:47
about
17:47
Barack
17:48
Obama's
17:48
time
17:48
as
17:49
president
17:49
when
17:50
he
17:50
was
17:50
like,
17:51
there
17:51
are
17:51
certain
17:51
things
17:52
that
17:52
he
17:52
would
17:52
do
17:52
and
17:53
he
17:53
would
17:53
hear
17:53
from
17:53
the
17:53
black
17:53
community
17:54
like,
17:54
wait,
17:54
that's
17:54
not.
17:55
That's
17:55
not
17:55
what
17:55
we
17:55
would.
17:56
You
17:56
know,
17:56
you're.
17:56
You're
17:56
going
17:57
to
17:57
get
17:57
your
17:57
own
17:57
people.
17:58
And
17:58
then
17:58
there's
17:58
certain
17:58
things
17:59
he
17:59
would
17:59
do
17:59
that
17:59
he
18:00
was,
18:00
like,
18:00
speaking
18:00
the
18:00
language
18:01
of
18:01
his
18:01
people.
18:01
And
18:01
everyone's
18:02
like,
18:02
well,
18:02
you're
18:02
just
18:03
being
18:03
a
18:03
black
18:03
president
18:04
and
18:04
you're
18:04
supposed
18:04
to
18:04
be
18:04
just
18:05
a
18:05
president.
18:05
And
18:06
it's
18:06
like,
18:06
no
18:06
matter
18:06
what
18:06
he
18:06
did,
18:07
he
18:07
couldn't
18:07
win.
18:08
You
18:08
know?
18:08
So
18:08
it's
18:09
like,
18:09
I
18:09
feel
18:09
like
18:09
Wharf
18:10
is
18:10
put
18:10
in
18:10
a
18:10
very
18:10
similar
18:11
situation
18:11
where
18:11
it's
18:12
like,
18:12
sometimes
18:13
it's
18:13
like
18:13
to
18:13
be
18:13
true
18:13
to
18:13
his
18:14
heritage
18:14
makes
18:14
him
18:14
seem
18:15
like
18:15
a
18:15
bad
18:15
Starfleet
18:16
officer.
18:16
To
18:16
be
18:16
a
18:16
good
18:17
Starfleet
18:17
officer
18:17
makes
18:18
it
18:18
seem
18:18
like
18:18
he's
18:18
a
18:18
bad
18:18
Klingon
18:19
and
18:19
it's
18:19
like,
18:20
oh,
18:20
man,
18:21
it's
18:21
not
18:21
easy.
18:22
Then
18:22
there.
18:22
I
18:22
also
18:23
Remember
18:23
very
18:23
vividly
18:24
another,
18:25
another
18:25
episode
18:26
where
18:26
he
18:26
was
18:26
talking
18:26
about
18:27
growing
18:27
up
18:27
and
18:28
this
18:28
was
18:28
before
18:28
he
18:29
was
18:29
trying,
18:29
you
18:29
know,
18:29
to
18:30
really
18:30
explore
18:30
being
18:30
a
18:31
Klingon.
18:32
He
18:32
learned
18:33
that
18:33
he
18:33
had
18:33
to
18:33
be
18:34
very
18:34
restrained.
18:35
He's
18:35
for
18:35
a
18:36
Klingon,
18:36
very
18:37
reserved.
18:37
He
18:37
definitely
18:38
holds
18:38
himself
18:38
back.
18:39
And
18:39
he
18:39
explains
18:40
that
18:40
was,
18:40
it
18:40
was
18:41
because
18:41
when
18:41
he
18:41
was
18:41
a
18:41
kid
18:42
he
18:42
was
18:42
playing
18:42
soccer
18:43
and
18:44
he
18:44
remembered
18:44
he
18:45
had
18:45
head
18:45
butted
18:46
a
18:47
one
18:47
of
18:47
his
18:47
colleagues,
18:48
one
18:48
of
18:48
his
18:48
fellow
18:49
teammates,
18:50
and
18:51
he
18:51
didn't
18:51
understand
18:51
his
18:52
own
18:52
strength
18:52
and
18:52
he
18:52
had
18:53
killed
18:53
the
18:53
other
18:53
boy.
18:54
And
18:54
at
18:54
that
18:54
point
18:55
he
18:55
realized
18:55
that
18:55
if
18:55
he
18:55
was
18:56
going
18:56
to
18:56
live
18:57
in
18:57
start
18:58
in
18:58
the
18:58
Federation,
18:59
he
18:59
had
18:59
to,
19:00
he
19:00
had
19:00
to
19:00
hold
19:01
himself
19:01
back,
19:01
he
19:01
had
19:02
to
19:02
reserve
19:02
his
19:03
actions,
19:03
he
19:03
had
19:03
to
19:04
hold
19:04
back
19:05
his
19:05
emotions
19:06
or
19:06
else
19:06
he
19:06
is
19:07
going
19:07
to
19:07
kill
19:07
the
19:07
people
19:08
he
19:08
cares
19:08
about.
19:08
Yeah,
19:10
man.
19:10
You
19:11
know,
19:11
there's
19:12
a
19:12
lot
19:12
there
19:13
and
19:13
a
19:13
lot
19:13
to
19:13
explore.
19:14
And
19:14
you
19:14
see
19:14
these
19:14
other
19:15
themes
19:15
and
19:15
other
19:15
shows
19:16
like
19:16
that
19:17
moving
19:17
off
19:18
of
19:18
Wharf
19:18
because
19:18
this
19:18
isn't
19:19
just
19:19
a
19:19
Worf
19:19
episode.
19:19
Although
19:20
now
19:20
I'm
19:20
thinking
19:20
we
19:20
might
19:21
should
19:21
do
19:21
that
19:21
at
19:21
some
19:21
point.
19:23
You
19:23
also
19:24
see
19:24
like
19:25
more
19:25
of
19:25
the
19:25
newer
19:26
shows.
19:26
What's
19:26
interesting
19:27
is
19:27
like
19:27
they're
19:27
going
19:28
back
19:28
to
19:28
like
19:28
the
19:29
older
19:30
time
19:30
period
19:31
in
19:31
Star
19:31
Trek,
19:31
which
19:31
is
19:31
still
19:32
our
19:32
future,
19:32
which
19:32
is
19:33
kind
19:33
of
19:33
confusing.
19:34
And
19:34
you
19:34
almost
19:35
see,
19:35
you
19:35
see
19:35
a
19:35
little
19:35
bit
19:35
of
19:35
this
19:36
like
19:36
retroactive
19:37
nuancing
19:38
of
19:38
the
19:38
Klingons
19:39
during
19:39
the
19:39
early
19:40
wars.
19:41
Specifically.
19:41
I'm
19:42
thinking
19:42
of
19:42
like
19:42
in
19:43
Strange
19:43
New
19:43
Worlds,
19:43
there's
19:44
an
19:44
episode
19:45
where
19:45
the
19:46
one
19:46
man
19:46
has
19:46
PTSD
19:47
and
19:48
he
19:48
remembers
19:48
one
19:49
of
19:49
the
19:49
Klingons
19:49
and
19:50
how
19:50
he
19:50
actually
19:50
murdered
19:50
all
19:50
these
19:51
people
19:51
and
19:51
all
19:51
this
19:51
stuff
19:51
that
19:52
happened.
19:52
And
19:52
it
19:52
turned
19:52
out
19:52
that
19:53
actually
19:53
he
19:54
ran
19:54
away,
19:54
everyone
19:55
was
19:55
dead,
19:55
and
19:55
he
19:55
just
19:55
ended
19:55
up
19:56
taking
19:56
credit
19:56
for
19:56
it.
19:56
And
19:57
you're
19:57
like,
19:57
oh,
19:58
so
19:58
not
19:58
every
19:58
Klingon
19:59
is
19:59
just
19:59
all,
19:59
yeah,
20:00
let
20:00
me
20:00
kill
20:00
everyone.
20:01
Some
20:01
of
20:01
them
20:01
do
20:01
struggle
20:01
with
20:02
fear
20:02
and
20:02
all
20:02
these
20:02
other
20:02
things.
20:02
They're
20:03
not
20:03
just
20:03
one
20:04
thing,
20:04
you
20:04
know,
20:05
and
20:05
you're
20:05
like,
20:05
oh,
20:06
okay,
20:06
okay.
20:06
And
20:06
it's
20:07
like.
20:07
But
20:07
at
20:07
the
20:07
same
20:08
time,
20:08
if
20:08
you've
20:09
been
20:09
watching
20:09
Star
20:09
Trek
20:09
for
20:09
a
20:09
long
20:10
time,
20:10
you
20:10
realize
20:10
they're
20:11
definitely
20:11
like
20:11
retroactively
20:12
trying
20:12
to
20:13
nuance
20:13
this.
20:14
If
20:14
you
20:14
look
20:14
at
20:15
the
20:15
Undiscovered
20:16
country,
20:17
they
20:17
did
20:17
a
20:18
really
20:18
strong
20:19
effort
20:19
to
20:19
show
20:19
that
20:20
the
20:20
warrior
20:20
class
20:20
was
20:21
not
20:21
the
20:21
only
20:21
class
20:21
of
20:21
Klingons.
20:22
They
20:23
had
20:23
other
20:24
classes,
20:24
but
20:25
the
20:25
warrior
20:25
class
20:26
just
20:26
took
20:27
prominence
20:27
and
20:28
stayed
20:28
there
20:28
because
20:29
they
20:29
always
20:29
found
20:29
a
20:29
way
20:29
to
20:30
stay
20:30
at
20:30
war.
20:30
Yeah,
20:31
I
20:31
don't
20:31
remember
20:32
that
20:32
reference,
20:33
but
20:33
that
20:33
sounds
20:33
right.
20:35
Andy,
20:35
anything
20:36
else
20:36
to
20:36
add
20:36
either
20:37
about
20:37
what
20:37
we've
20:37
been
20:37
talking
20:38
about
20:38
there
20:38
or
20:38
some
20:39
of
20:39
the
20:39
newer
20:39
stuff
20:39
when
20:39
it
20:40
dealing
20:40
with
20:40
the
20:40
Klingons
20:41
and
20:41
more
20:41
recent
20:42
Star
20:42
Trek.
20:43
Yeah,
20:43
I
20:43
mean,
20:43
well,
20:43
you
20:43
know,
20:44
the
20:44
other
20:44
character
20:44
we're
20:44
talking
20:45
about,
20:45
you
20:45
know,
20:45
Worf
20:45
coming
20:46
from
20:46
two
20:47
worlds
20:47
and
20:47
the
20:47
tensions
20:48
there.
20:48
The
20:48
other
20:48
character
20:48
that
20:49
comes
20:49
to
20:49
mind
20:49
is
20:49
B'Elanna
20:49
Torres
20:50
from
20:50
Voyager.
20:51
Right.
20:51
Who
20:52
is
20:52
not
20:52
only
20:53
struggling
20:53
with
20:54
being,
20:55
you
20:55
know,
20:55
having
20:55
Klingon
20:56
heritage
20:56
of
20:56
being
20:56
a
20:56
Starfleet
20:57
officer,
20:57
but
20:57
also,
20:58
you
20:58
know,
20:58
trying
20:58
to
20:58
figure
20:59
out
20:59
being
20:59
both
21:00
half
21:00
human
21:00
and
21:00
half
21:01
Klingon
21:01
and
21:02
the
21:03
tensions
21:03
that.
21:03
The
21:04
cultural
21:04
tensions
21:05
that
21:05
that
21:05
creates
21:05
for
21:05
herself
21:06
and
21:07
for
21:08
her
21:08
interactions
21:08
with
21:08
everybody
21:09
else.
21:10
Yeah.
21:10
Pardon
21:11
me
21:11
if
21:11
I'm.
21:11
If
21:11
I'm
21:12
mistaken,
21:12
but
21:12
didn't
21:13
at
21:13
one
21:13
point
21:14
she
21:14
was
21:14
struggling
21:14
with
21:14
it
21:15
so
21:15
much
21:15
when
21:15
she
21:15
was
21:16
having
21:16
a
21:16
child.
21:16
She
21:16
was
21:17
trying
21:17
to
21:17
manipulate
21:18
the
21:18
DNA
21:19
of
21:19
the
21:19
child
21:19
so
21:19
it
21:20
would
21:20
have
21:20
like
21:20
fewer
21:21
head
21:21
ridge,
21:22
you
21:22
know,
21:22
forehead
21:22
ridges
21:23
and
21:23
stuff
21:23
like
21:23
that
21:24
because
21:24
she
21:24
knew
21:24
that
21:24
this
21:25
child
21:25
was
21:25
going
21:25
to
21:26
struggle
21:26
being
21:27
in
21:27
a
21:28
human,
21:28
A
21:28
human
21:29
civilization
21:29
there
21:30
on
21:30
Voyager.
21:31
Yeah,
21:32
that
21:33
sounds
21:33
right.
21:33
Yeah.
21:34
So
21:35
dealing
21:35
with
21:36
kind
21:36
of
21:36
the
21:36
questions
21:36
of
21:36
passing
21:37
and
21:39
if
21:39
you
21:39
could
21:39
choose
21:39
things
21:40
for
21:40
your
21:40
children
21:41
to
21:41
represent
21:42
different
21:42
things
21:43
about
21:43
different
21:43
cultures.
21:44
Yeah,
21:45
yeah,
21:45
sorry.
21:45
I
21:45
was
21:46
trying
21:46
to
21:46
remember
21:46
the
21:46
name
21:46
of
21:46
the.
21:47
It's
21:47
like
21:47
a
21:48
parody
21:48
show
21:48
that
21:49
Seth
21:50
McFarlane
21:50
did.
21:51
Oh,
21:51
yeah.
21:53
I
21:53
can't
21:54
remember
21:54
what
21:54
it
21:54
was
21:54
called,
21:54
but
21:54
he
21:55
had
21:55
a
21:55
race
21:55
that
21:55
was
21:55
basically
21:56
parodying
21:56
the
21:56
Klingons
21:57
and
21:58
supposedly
21:58
they
21:58
were
21:58
all
21:59
men.
21:59
And
21:59
then
21:59
one
21:59
of
21:59
them
22:00
got
22:00
pregnant
22:00
and
22:00
it
22:01
became
22:01
a
22:01
whole
22:01
thing.
22:02
I
22:02
was
22:02
like
22:02
that,
22:03
you
22:03
know,
22:03
not
22:03
Klingon.
22:04
But
22:04
it
22:04
is
22:04
interesting.
22:05
You
22:05
kind
22:05
of
22:05
see
22:06
this,
22:06
this
22:06
tension
22:06
of
22:06
what
22:07
does
22:07
it
22:07
mean
22:07
to
22:07
be
22:07
a
22:07
warrior
22:08
class?
22:08
And
22:09
can
22:09
you
22:10
have
22:10
a
22:10
culture
22:11
that's
22:11
only
22:11
based
22:12
on
22:12
warrior,
22:12
you
22:13
know,
22:13
mentality?
22:14
And
22:14
I'll
22:14
argue
22:15
no,
22:15
I
22:15
don't
22:15
think
22:15
you
22:15
can
22:16
have
22:16
a
22:16
culture
22:16
that
22:16
is
22:16
on
22:17
that.
22:17
But
22:17
it
22:17
does
22:17
exist
22:18
in
22:18
Star
22:18
Trek
22:18
for
22:18
the
22:19
most
22:19
part.
22:19
You
22:19
know,
22:20
their
22:20
culture
22:20
is
22:20
around
22:21
aggression,
22:22
war,
22:23
drinking,
22:24
anything
22:24
else,
22:25
whenever.
22:25
Like,
22:25
if
22:25
you're
22:26
explaining
22:26
just
22:26
Klingon
22:26
culture
22:27
in
22:27
general.
22:27
Before
22:27
we
22:27
pick
22:28
sides,
22:29
Andy,
22:30
could
22:30
you
22:30
explain
22:30
it
22:31
better?
22:32
Well,
22:32
the
22:33
other
22:33
thing
22:33
we
22:33
have
22:33
to
22:33
remember
22:33
about
22:34
Klingon
22:34
culture
22:34
is
22:34
that
22:34
they
22:35
gave
22:35
us
22:35
Shakespeare.
22:36
Right.
22:37
So
22:37
it's
22:37
not
22:38
all
22:39
what.
22:42
I
22:42
missed
22:42
this.
22:43
So,
22:44
you
22:45
know,
22:46
not
22:46
everyone
22:47
remembers
22:47
Star
22:48
Trek
22:48
Undiscovered
22:49
country
22:49
as
22:49
fondly
22:50
as
22:50
perhaps
22:50
I
22:51
do.
22:52
But
22:52
that
22:53
was.
22:53
That
22:54
was
22:54
the
22:54
first
22:54
Star
22:54
Trek
22:55
film
22:55
I
22:55
saw
22:55
in
22:55
the
22:55
theaters.
22:57
And
22:57
I
22:58
actually
22:58
have
22:58
the
22:58
replica
22:59
mug
23:00
from
23:00
the
23:00
dinner
23:00
scene
23:01
that's
23:02
early
23:02
on
23:02
in
23:02
the
23:02
film.
23:03
So
23:04
Kirk
23:05
and
23:05
Spock
23:05
and
23:06
McCoy
23:06
are
23:07
invited
23:07
to
23:07
this.
23:08
Are
23:08
hosting
23:09
or
23:09
invited
23:09
to
23:09
this.
23:09
State
23:10
dinner
23:10
with
23:11
some
23:11
Klingon
23:11
dignitaries,
23:12
one
23:12
of
23:12
whom
23:12
is
23:13
played
23:13
by
23:13
Christopher
23:14
Plummer.
23:15
And
23:15
they're
23:15
having,
23:16
you
23:16
know,
23:16
they're
23:16
having
23:17
a
23:17
conversation
23:17
about
23:17
their
23:18
cultural
23:18
differences
23:19
and
23:19
trying
23:19
to
23:21
find
23:21
some
23:22
common
23:22
ground
23:22
and,
23:23
you
23:23
know,
23:23
but
23:23
also,
23:24
you
23:24
know,
23:25
exposing
23:25
their
23:26
prejudices
23:26
and
23:27
misunderstandings
23:28
of
23:28
each
23:28
other
23:28
and
23:29
so
23:29
forth.
23:30
And
23:31
at
23:31
one
23:31
point,
23:32
one
23:32
of
23:32
the,
23:32
one
23:32
of
23:32
the
23:32
Starfleet
23:33
characters
23:34
quotes
23:35
Shakespeare
23:36
and
23:36
one
23:36
of
23:36
the
23:36
Klingons
23:37
says
23:37
something
23:37
to
23:37
the
23:37
effect
23:38
of,
23:38
you
23:38
don't.
23:38
Of
23:38
course,
23:38
you
23:39
can't
23:39
really
23:39
appreciate
23:40
Shakespeare
23:40
until
23:40
you've
23:40
read
23:41
him
23:41
in
23:41
the
23:41
original
23:41
Klingon.
23:44
What
23:45
that
23:46
is.
23:46
Okay,
23:47
that's
23:47
fascinating.
23:49
All
23:49
right.
23:50
Oh
23:50
man.
23:51
Okay,
23:51
so
23:51
we
23:51
got
23:51
Klingons.
23:52
Herbie,
23:53
could
23:53
you
23:54
better
23:54
explain
23:54
what
23:54
Starfleet
23:55
is
23:56
than
23:56
I
23:56
did?
23:58
Well,
23:58
Starfleet
23:59
mostly
24:00
is
24:00
this
24:00
Federation
24:00
of
24:01
planets
24:01
where
24:01
people
24:02
just
24:02
want
24:02
to
24:02
be
24:03
at
24:03
peace
24:04
so
24:04
they
24:04
find
24:05
a
24:05
way
24:05
to
24:05
govern
24:06
where
24:06
everybody
24:07
has
24:07
kind
24:07
of
24:07
like
24:07
an
24:08
equal
24:08
say,
24:08
everybody's
24:09
going
24:09
to
24:09
be
24:09
respected.
24:10
There's
24:11
the
24:12
idea
24:13
of
24:13
basically
24:14
respecting
24:15
the
24:15
individual,
24:16
but
24:16
also
24:17
just
24:17
having
24:17
the
24:18
freedom
24:18
of
24:19
self
24:19
rule.
24:20
Like
24:20
every,
24:21
every
24:21
planet
24:22
in
24:22
the
24:22
Federation
24:22
of
24:22
Planets
24:23
has
24:23
its
24:24
own
24:24
government
24:25
and
24:25
the
24:26
Federation
24:26
that
24:27
kind
24:27
of
24:27
binds
24:28
all
24:28
of
24:28
these
24:28
governments
24:29
together
24:29
kind
24:30
of
24:30
just
24:30
deals
24:30
with
24:30
the,
24:31
the
24:31
affairs
24:32
of
24:33
the
24:33
coalition
24:33
as
24:33
a
24:34
whole.
24:34
Also
24:35
it's
24:35
very
24:35
idealized
24:36
future
24:37
where
24:38
things
24:38
like
24:38
money
24:39
don't
24:39
exist.
24:42
There's
24:42
the
24:42
idea
24:43
that
24:43
we
24:43
don't
24:43
have
24:44
this
24:44
scarcity
24:44
of
24:44
goods
24:45
because
24:45
everything
24:45
is
24:46
there
24:46
for
24:46
you.
24:46
And
24:47
the
24:47
idea
24:47
is
24:48
everybody
24:49
just
24:49
does
24:50
what
24:50
they
24:51
feel
24:51
is
24:51
right
24:52
because
24:52
they
24:52
don't
24:53
have
24:53
to
24:53
fight
24:53
and
24:53
struggle
24:54
with
24:54
each
24:54
other
24:55
to
24:55
survive.
24:58
Okay,
24:59
so
24:59
those
24:59
are
24:59
our
25:00
sides.
25:00
We're
25:01
going
25:01
to
25:01
pick
25:01
a
25:01
side
25:02
and
25:02
we're
25:02
going
25:02
to
25:02
explain
25:02
why
25:03
we
25:03
chose
25:03
the
25:03
side
25:03
we
25:03
did.
25:03
We
25:04
can
25:04
all
25:04
pick
25:04
the
25:04
same
25:04
side
25:05
if
25:06
we
25:06
want.
25:07
I
25:07
think
25:08
it
25:08
would
25:08
be
25:08
dishonest
25:08
for
25:08
me
25:08
not
25:09
to
25:09
pick
25:09
Starfleet.
25:10
As
25:10
much
25:10
fun
25:10
as
25:10
it
25:10
sounds
25:11
like
25:11
it
25:11
would
25:11
be
25:11
to
25:12
pick
25:12
King
25:12
on
25:12
just
25:13
to
25:13
be
25:13
contrarian.
25:14
But
25:15
realistically,
25:16
I
25:16
have
25:16
another
25:17
podcast,
25:17
the
25:17
Whole
25:17
Church
25:18
podcast.
25:18
It's
25:18
all
25:18
about
25:19
ecumenical
25:19
work.
25:20
It's
25:20
basically
25:21
just
25:21
the
25:21
Christian
25:22
version
25:22
of
25:22
Starfleet,
25:24
all
25:24
about
25:24
peace
25:25
and
25:25
trying
25:25
to
25:25
respect
25:25
people's
25:26
culture
25:26
and
25:26
bring
25:27
them
25:27
together
25:27
rather
25:28
than
25:28
have
25:29
us
25:29
split
25:29
apart.
25:30
And
25:31
then
25:31
of
25:31
course
25:31
I
25:31
do.
25:32
I
25:32
much
25:32
appreciate
25:33
that
25:33
passion
25:34
for
25:34
exploring
25:34
and
25:35
discovering
25:35
what's
25:35
out
25:36
there.
25:37
Yeah,
25:38
I'm
25:38
all
25:38
for
25:38
Starfleet.
25:39
So
25:40
that's
25:40
where
25:40
I'm
25:40
at.
25:41
Andy.
25:42
Starfleet
25:43
or
25:43
Klingon?
25:44
Where
25:45
are
25:45
you
25:45
at?
25:49
You
25:49
know,
25:49
I
25:49
want
25:50
to,
25:50
you
25:50
know,
25:50
have
25:51
some
25:51
sympathy
25:51
for
25:52
the
25:52
Klingons
25:53
and,
25:54
you
25:54
know,
25:54
recognizing
25:55
the
25:56
difficulties
25:56
of,
25:57
you
25:57
know,
25:57
the
25:58
way
25:58
that
25:58
they've
25:58
been
25:58
portrayed
25:58
and
25:59
some
25:59
of
25:59
the
25:59
issues
26:00
and
26:00
the
26:00
problems
26:00
that
26:01
perhaps
26:01
raises
26:02
and
26:02
it's,
26:02
you
26:03
know,
26:03
it's
26:03
hard
26:03
to
26:04
have
26:04
too
26:04
many
26:04
beefs
26:05
with
26:05
a
26:06
group
26:06
that
26:06
has
26:07
given,
26:07
you
26:07
know,
26:07
that
26:08
has
26:08
given
26:08
us
26:08
Shakespeare
26:09
and
26:09
Christopher
26:09
Lloyd
26:10
and
26:10
Christopher
26:10
Plummer,
26:11
not
26:12
to
26:12
mention,
26:12
you
26:12
know,
26:12
the
26:12
great
26:13
Michael
26:13
Dorn
26:13
that
26:13
we've
26:14
already
26:14
discussed.
26:16
But
26:16
yeah,
26:17
we,
26:17
we
26:17
haven't
26:17
really
26:18
had
26:18
the
26:18
opportunity
26:18
to
26:19
spend
26:19
a
26:19
lot
26:19
of
26:19
time
26:20
with
26:21
Klingon
26:22
scientists.
26:24
Whereas,
26:24
you
26:24
know,
26:24
there
26:25
are
26:25
lots
26:25
of
26:25
great
26:25
science
26:26
characters
26:26
from
26:27
Starfleet,
26:27
you
26:27
know,
26:28
and
26:28
scientific
26:28
research
26:29
and
26:29
exploration
26:30
is
26:32
a
26:32
big
26:32
part
26:32
of
26:33
the
26:33
Stark
26:33
Fleet
26:33
mission
26:34
and
26:34
a
26:35
lot
26:35
of
26:35
the
26:35
storytelling
26:36
that
26:36
goes
26:36
around
26:38
the
26:38
Star
26:38
Trek
26:39
universe.
26:39
And
26:40
so
26:40
yeah,
26:40
again,
26:42
it's
26:42
hard
26:43
to
26:43
not
26:44
wind
26:44
up
26:45
identifying
26:46
more
26:46
with
26:47
the
26:47
Federation
26:47
on
26:47
those
26:48
terms.
26:48
Yeah,
26:49
yeah.
26:50
Also
26:50
if
26:51
you're
26:51
on
26:51
our
26:51
Facebook
26:51
group,
26:52
please,
26:52
for
26:53
the
26:53
next
26:53
what
26:53
if
26:54
vote,
26:54
what
26:55
if
26:55
there
26:55
was
26:55
a
26:56
Klingon
26:56
science
26:57
officer
26:57
in
26:57
Starfleet?
26:58
I
26:58
want
26:59
to
26:59
talk
26:59
about
26:59
that
26:59
now.
27:00
That
27:00
sounds
27:00
fun.
27:01
Herb,
27:02
where
27:02
are
27:02
you
27:02
going,
27:03
man?
27:03
Starfleet
27:03
or
27:04
Klingon?
27:04
Are
27:04
we
27:04
have
27:04
three
27:05
for
27:05
three
27:05
or
27:07
so?
27:07
I
27:07
really
27:08
do
27:08
kind
27:08
of
27:08
want
27:08
to
27:09
side
27:09
with
27:09
the
27:09
Klingons
27:10
because
27:11
there's
27:12
so
27:12
much
27:12
about
27:12
their
27:13
culture
27:13
we
27:13
don't
27:13
know.
27:14
All
27:14
you
27:14
know
27:14
is
27:15
that
27:15
part
27:15
of
27:15
it
27:16
that
27:16
intersects
27:16
with
27:17
the
27:17
Federation,
27:17
which
27:17
is
27:18
going
27:18
to
27:18
be
27:18
their
27:19
military
27:19
side.
27:20
But
27:20
they
27:21
are
27:21
that
27:22
being
27:22
such
27:22
a
27:22
dominant
27:22
part
27:23
of
27:23
their
27:23
culture
27:23
and
27:24
the
27:24
fact
27:24
that
27:24
they
27:25
tend
27:25
to
27:26
expand
27:26
their
27:26
empire
27:27
out
27:27
of
27:27
need
27:28
because
27:28
they
27:28
have
27:28
to
27:28
continue
27:29
acquiring
27:30
people
27:30
to
27:30
do
27:30
a
27:30
lot
27:31
of
27:31
the
27:31
remedial
27:31
stuff,
27:32
like
27:32
they're
27:32
known
27:32
for
27:33
marauding
27:33
the
27:34
deuterium
27:35
mines
27:35
and
27:36
stuff
27:36
like
27:36
that.
27:36
I
27:37
can't
27:37
really
27:37
side
27:37
with
27:37
that
27:38
because
27:38
in
27:38
a
27:38
long
27:38
term
27:38
situation
27:39
I
27:39
don't
27:39
see
27:40
the
27:40
Empire
27:40
being
27:41
able
27:41
to
27:41
thrive.
27:42
So
27:42
I
27:42
am
27:43
going
27:43
to
27:43
have
27:43
to
27:43
go
27:43
on
27:43
the
27:43
side
27:44
of
27:44
the
27:45
Federation.
27:45
While
27:46
they
27:46
have
27:46
their
27:46
own
27:46
weaknesses,
27:47
they
27:47
do
27:48
show
27:48
that
27:48
they
27:48
kind
27:48
of
27:49
do
27:49
have
27:49
issues.
27:49
When
27:50
they
27:50
do
27:50
have
27:50
to
27:50
swap
27:51
to
27:51
being
27:51
militaristic
27:52
for
27:52
defense
27:53
in
27:53
a
27:54
time
27:54
of
27:54
peace,
27:54
they
27:55
do
27:55
have
27:56
the
27:56
upper
27:56
hand
27:56
on
27:57
long
27:57
term
27:57
survival.
27:58
Yeah,
27:58
yeah,
27:58
yeah,
27:59
yeah,
27:59
man.
27:59
I,
28:00
I
28:00
also,
28:00
I
28:01
just
28:01
gotta
28:01
say,
28:01
it
28:02
would
28:02
be
28:02
so
28:02
hard
28:02
to
28:02
fight
28:03
the
28:03
Klingons.
28:04
I
28:04
think,
28:04
I
28:04
think
28:05
Jesus's
28:05
way
28:05
is
28:06
the
28:06
best
28:06
way
28:06
to
28:06
fight
28:06
the
28:06
Klingons
28:07
because
28:07
like,
28:07
realistically
28:08
Starfleet
28:09
comes
28:09
up
28:09
against
28:09
Klingons
28:10
and
28:10
it's
28:11
like
28:11
they
28:12
want
28:12
to
28:12
fight
28:12
and
28:12
we're
28:13
like,
28:13
no,
28:13
we're
28:13
all
28:13
about
28:13
peace.
28:14
Oh,
28:14
you
28:14
disagree
28:14
with
28:15
us
28:15
then
28:15
let's
28:15
fight.
28:15
No,
28:16
that's
28:16
not
28:16
what
28:17
I
28:17
said.
28:17
It's
28:18
like,
28:18
what
28:18
do
28:18
you
28:18
do
28:19
there?
28:19
And
28:19
I
28:20
love
28:20
like,
28:20
like
28:20
just
28:21
in
28:21
my
28:21
mind
28:21
like,
28:21
just
28:21
imagine
28:22
Klingon
28:22
dealing
28:23
with
28:23
like
28:23
the
28:23
whole
28:23
turn
28:24
your
28:24
other
28:24
cheek
28:24
is
28:24
like,
28:25
what
28:25
do
28:25
you
28:25
mean
28:25
you're
28:26
not
28:26
going
28:26
to
28:26
fight?
28:26
I'll
28:27
turn
28:27
my
28:27
other
28:27
cheek
28:27
again.
28:29
Just,
28:29
you
28:29
know,
28:30
a
28:30
lot
28:30
of
28:31
humorous
28:31
antics
28:32
playing
28:32
out.
28:32
I
28:32
will
28:33
say
28:33
one
28:33
part
28:34
that
28:34
really
28:34
makes
28:34
me
28:34
want
28:35
to
28:35
side
28:35
to
28:35
the
28:35
Klingons
28:36
is
28:37
you
28:37
will
28:37
be
28:37
dishonored
28:38
by
28:39
trying
28:40
to
28:40
get
28:40
ahead
28:40
using
28:41
finances
28:42
as
28:42
a
28:42
tool
28:43
to,
28:43
to
28:44
undo
28:44
another
28:45
Klingon
28:45
family
28:46
to
28:46
the
28:46
point
28:46
where
28:47
you
28:47
will
28:47
be
28:47
disrespected,
28:48
thrown
28:48
out
28:49
of
28:49
the
28:49
courts.
28:50
You
28:50
have
28:50
no
28:50
more
28:51
standing
28:51
in
28:51
their
28:51
culture
28:52
if
28:52
you
28:52
attempt
28:53
doing
28:53
that.
28:53
We
28:53
saw
28:53
that
28:53
in
28:53
Deep
28:54
Space
28:54
nine
28:54
where
28:55
Quark
28:55
basically
28:56
married
28:57
a
28:57
Klingon
28:58
and
28:58
then
28:58
defended
28:58
her
28:59
by
28:59
showing
28:59
this
28:59
other
28:59
guy
29:00
was
29:00
using,
29:01
using
29:02
the
29:02
economy
29:02
to
29:03
undo
29:03
her
29:03
family.
29:04
That's
29:05
so
29:05
funny.
29:05
I.
29:06
Yeah,
29:06
that's,
29:06
that's
29:07
the
29:07
other
29:07
thing
29:07
I
29:07
guess
29:07
we
29:07
didn't
29:07
really
29:08
talk
29:08
much
29:08
about
29:08
is
29:08
like
29:08
Klingon
29:09
also
29:09
is
29:09
very
29:09
much
29:09
of
29:10
like
29:10
a
29:10
honor
29:10
shame
29:11
kind
29:11
of
29:11
culture.
29:11
It's
29:11
based
29:12
on
29:12
like
29:12
how
29:12
much
29:12
prestige
29:13
your
29:13
family
29:13
has
29:14
or
29:14
you
29:14
have
29:14
and
29:15
you
29:15
do
29:15
things
29:15
that
29:16
bring
29:16
shame
29:16
on
29:16
you
29:16
and
29:16
your
29:17
family.
29:17
That.
29:17
That's
29:17
a
29:17
big
29:17
part
29:18
of
29:18
it
29:18
too
29:19
which
29:19
is
29:20
not
29:20
something
29:20
I'm
29:20
a
29:20
huge
29:21
fan
29:21
of.
29:21
Again,
29:21
I'm
29:22
with
29:22
Starfleet,
29:22
man,
29:23
that
29:23
mutual
29:23
respect
29:23
for
29:23
everybody.
29:24
Something
29:24
I,
29:25
I'm
29:25
a
29:25
big
29:25
fan
29:25
of.
30:10
But
30:11
the
30:11
point
30:12
of
30:12
the
30:12
series
30:13
is
30:13
to
30:13
find
30:13
the
30:14
good
30:14
in
30:14
the
30:14
other
30:14
side.
30:15
So
30:15
now
30:15
what
30:16
we
30:16
all
30:16
have
30:16
to
30:16
do,
30:17
starting
30:17
with
30:17
Andy.
30:18
Explain
30:18
why
30:19
you
30:19
think,
30:19
Andy,
30:20
someone
30:21
might
30:21
be
30:22
on
30:22
the
30:22
side
30:22
of
30:22
the
30:22
Klingons
30:23
and
30:23
try
30:24
to
30:24
defend
30:24
that
30:24
position
30:25
the
30:25
best
30:25
you
30:25
can.
30:29
Sure.
30:29
So.
30:32
This
30:32
is
30:32
not
30:32
an
30:32
easy
30:33
one,
30:34
right?
30:35
Yeah.
30:35
I
30:35
mean,
30:35
you
30:35
know,
30:36
so
30:36
acknowledge,
30:36
right
30:37
that,
30:37
you
30:37
know,
30:38
the
30:38
universe
30:39
has
30:39
been
30:39
constructed
30:39
such
30:40
that
30:40
they
30:40
are
30:40
the
30:40
antagonists.
30:41
Right.
30:41
We're
30:41
not
30:41
meant
30:42
to
30:42
identify
30:43
them.
30:43
We're
30:43
not
30:43
meant
30:43
to.
30:43
You're
30:44
not
30:44
supposed
30:44
to
30:44
be
30:44
doing
30:45
what.
30:45
We'Re
30:45
doing
30:45
for
30:46
them.
30:46
And
30:47
so
30:47
we're
30:47
not
30:47
given
30:47
a
30:47
whole
30:48
lot
30:49
of
30:49
basis
30:49
on
30:50
which
30:50
to
30:50
do
30:51
that.
30:52
You
30:53
can
30:53
certainly
30:53
appeal
30:54
to
30:55
the
30:56
sort
30:56
of
30:56
basics
30:56
of.
30:57
Well,
30:58
you
30:58
know,
30:59
they
30:59
are
30:59
sapient
31:00
beings
31:00
who
31:03
want
31:03
to
31:03
flourish
31:04
and
31:04
want
31:04
to,
31:05
you
31:05
know,
31:06
have
31:07
their
31:07
own
31:08
place
31:08
in
31:08
the
31:08
world
31:08
and
31:09
so
31:09
forth.
31:09
And
31:09
so
31:09
we
31:10
can,
31:10
you
31:10
know,
31:10
find
31:10
some
31:10
common
31:11
ground
31:11
on
31:11
that
31:11
sort
31:12
of
31:12
thing
31:12
and,
31:12
you
31:13
know,
31:13
care
31:13
for
31:13
family
31:14
and
31:15
all
31:15
that.
31:16
All
31:16
those
31:16
sorts
31:17
of
31:17
things
31:17
are
31:18
values
31:18
that
31:19
we
31:19
can
31:19
recognize
31:20
that
31:20
we
31:20
have
31:20
in
31:20
common
31:21
with
31:21
the
31:21
Klingons
31:22
to
31:22
some
31:22
extent
31:22
or
31:22
another.
31:24
You
31:24
know,
31:25
there
31:25
are
31:25
there
31:26
times,
31:26
you
31:26
know,
31:27
have
31:27
we
31:27
seen
31:27
times
31:28
where
31:29
the
31:29
Klingons
31:30
were
31:30
right
31:30
about
31:31
something
31:31
and
31:31
the
31:31
Federation
31:31
was
31:32
wrong?
31:32
I
31:33
I
31:33
don't
31:34
have
31:34
an
31:34
encyclopedic
31:34
memory
31:35
of
31:35
all
31:35
the
31:35
different
31:35
Star
31:36
Trek
31:36
stories.
31:36
Nothing's
31:37
coming
31:37
to
31:37
mind.
31:39
Which
31:39
is
31:39
not
31:39
to
31:39
say
31:40
that
31:40
it
31:40
couldn't
31:40
have
31:40
happened
31:41
or
31:42
that
31:42
the
31:42
Federation
31:43
is
31:43
infallible,
31:44
but
31:44
again,
31:44
that's
31:44
not
31:45
really
31:45
the
31:45
storytelling
31:47
framework
31:48
that
31:48
we're
31:49
working
31:49
in.
31:50
It's
31:50
not.
31:51
But
31:52
I
31:53
suppose
31:54
if
31:55
one
31:56
possible
31:56
criticism
31:57
of
31:57
the
31:57
Federation
31:58
is
31:58
the.
32:00
Is
32:00
the
32:00
tendency
32:01
towards
32:02
homogenizing
32:05
cultures
32:05
and
32:06
homogenizing
32:06
society
32:07
and
32:08
kind
32:08
of
32:08
subsuming
32:08
everything,
32:10
not
32:10
to
32:10
the
32:10
extent
32:11
of
32:11
the
32:11
Borg,
32:13
necessarily,
32:14
but
32:15
there
32:16
is
32:16
just
32:17
sort
32:17
of
32:19
a
32:20
tendency
32:21
to
32:21
bring
32:21
things
32:22
to
32:23
the
32:23
lowest
32:23
common
32:24
denominator
32:24
or
32:25
the
32:25
sort
32:25
of
32:26
standing
32:26
off
32:26
all
32:27
the.
32:27
The
32:27
rough
32:28
edges
32:28
of
32:28
various
32:29
people
32:29
and
32:29
cultures
32:30
to
32:30
fit
32:31
into
32:31
the
32:31
Federation.
32:33
And
32:33
so
32:33
perhaps
32:34
that
32:34
might
32:34
be
32:35
a
32:35
basis
32:35
on
32:35
which
32:35
the
32:35
Klingons,
32:37
more
32:38
philosophically,
32:38
might
32:39
critique
32:39
them
32:39
as
32:42
eliminating
32:42
some
32:43
of
32:43
the
32:43
distinctives
32:44
that
32:44
make
32:45
a
32:45
culture
32:46
like
32:46
the
32:46
Klingons
32:48
of
32:48
value
32:50
to
32:50
its
32:50
members
32:50
or
32:51
to
32:51
the
32:51
people.
32:52
To
32:52
the
32:52
Klingons.
32:53
Yeah.
32:54
Yeah.
32:55
All
32:55
right,
32:55
Herbie,
32:57
same
32:57
task.
32:58
Explain
32:59
why
32:59
you
32:59
think
32:59
someone
33:00
might
33:00
be
33:00
on
33:00
the
33:00
side
33:00
of
33:00
the
33:00
Klingons
33:01
and
33:02
defend
33:02
that
33:02
position
33:03
the
33:03
best
33:03
you
33:03
can.
33:04
Well,
33:05
definitely
33:05
somebody
33:06
who
33:06
comes
33:06
from
33:06
a
33:06
culture
33:07
that
33:07
does
33:07
have
33:08
either
33:09
a
33:09
honor
33:09
shame
33:10
or
33:10
a
33:11
power
33:12
weakness
33:12
type
33:12
of
33:13
mentality
33:13
would
33:14
probably
33:14
side
33:15
with
33:15
the
33:15
Klingons
33:16
because
33:16
it
33:16
would
33:16
be
33:17
closer
33:17
to
33:17
their
33:17
worldview
33:18
and
33:18
the
33:18
idea
33:19
that
33:19
if
33:19
you
33:20
bring
33:20
shame
33:20
to
33:21
your
33:21
family,
33:22
you
33:22
are
33:23
in
33:23
the
33:23
wrong
33:23
for
33:23
bringing
33:24
in
33:24
that
33:24
shame.
33:25
So
33:25
that
33:25
could
33:25
be
33:26
a
33:26
reason
33:26
why
33:26
people
33:26
might
33:27
identify
33:27
with
33:27
that
33:28
culture.
33:28
Keep
33:28
in
33:29
mind
33:29
that
33:29
the
33:29
Klingon
33:30
culture
33:30
did
33:31
actually
33:31
derive
33:31
from
33:32
parts
33:32
of
33:32
humanity.
33:33
A
33:33
person
33:33
who
33:33
tends
33:34
to
33:34
be
33:34
more
33:34
aggressive
33:35
may
33:35
also
33:36
side
33:36
with
33:36
the
33:36
Klingons.
33:37
The
33:37
people
33:37
who
33:38
say
33:38
that,
33:38
you
33:39
know,
33:39
you
33:39
have
33:39
the
33:39
right
33:40
of.
33:40
You
33:41
have
33:41
the
33:41
right
33:41
to
33:42
rule
33:42
via
33:43
conquest.
33:44
Somebody
33:44
who
33:44
has
33:45
that
33:45
type
33:45
of
33:45
mentality
33:46
also
33:46
might
33:46
side
33:46
with
33:47
the
33:47
Klingons.
33:49
All
33:49
right,
33:50
I
33:50
cheated
33:50
because
33:50
I
33:50
gave
33:51
myself
33:51
the
33:51
most
33:51
time
33:51
to
33:51
think
33:52
about
33:52
it.
33:53
Here's
33:53
what
33:54
I'm
33:54
gonna
33:54
go
33:54
with.
33:55
I
33:55
feel
33:55
as
33:55
though
33:56
Starfleet
33:57
was
33:57
too
33:57
quick
33:57
to
33:57
dismiss
33:58
the
33:58
Klingon.
33:59
Okay,
34:00
first
34:00
off,
34:00
let
34:00
me
34:00
say
34:00
this
34:01
is
34:01
not
34:01
my
34:01
actual
34:01
position
34:02
or
34:02
argument.
34:02
This
34:03
is
34:03
me
34:03
trying
34:03
to
34:04
make
34:04
the
34:04
argument
34:04
for
34:05
the
34:05
other
34:05
side.
34:06
So
34:07
Starfleet
34:07
was
34:07
too
34:08
quick
34:08
to
34:08
dismiss
34:09
the
34:09
Klingon
34:09
culture
34:10
because
34:11
they.
34:11
They
34:11
are
34:12
so
34:12
much
34:12
about
34:12
peace
34:12
that
34:12
they
34:13
just
34:13
immediately
34:14
dismiss
34:14
this
34:15
warlike
34:16
race
34:18
instead
34:19
of
34:19
asking
34:20
what
34:20
they
34:20
could
34:20
have
34:20
done
34:20
is
34:21
ask,
34:21
why
34:21
does
34:22
this
34:22
exist?
34:22
Clearly,
34:22
the
34:23
Klingons
34:23
are
34:23
thriving.
34:24
So
34:24
whatever
34:24
environment
34:25
that
34:25
they
34:25
came
34:26
up
34:26
in,
34:27
biologically,
34:28
they
34:29
evolved
34:29
to
34:29
be
34:30
the
34:30
dominant
34:30
species.
34:31
So
34:31
it
34:31
is
34:31
working
34:32
for
34:32
them
34:32
for
34:33
some
34:33
reason.
34:34
So
34:34
I
34:34
think
34:34
it
34:35
would
34:35
have
34:35
been
34:35
beneficial
34:36
instead
34:36
of
34:36
just
34:36
immediately
34:37
pushing
34:37
back
34:37
to
34:38
maybe
34:38
observe.
34:39
See,
34:39
why
34:39
is
34:39
this
34:40
working
34:40
here?
34:40
What
34:40
can
34:40
we
34:41
learn
34:41
from
34:41
being
34:42
more
34:42
aggressive
34:42
or
34:42
having
34:43
some
34:43
of
34:43
these
34:44
attributes
34:45
perhaps?
34:47
And,
34:47
you
34:47
know,
34:47
even
34:48
learning
34:48
from
34:49
like,
34:49
shame
34:49
isn't
34:50
always
34:50
a
34:50
bad
34:50
thing.
34:51
Maybe
34:51
our
34:51
culture
34:51
shouldn't
34:52
revolve
34:52
around
34:52
an
34:52
honor
34:53
shame
34:53
system.
34:54
But
34:54
we
34:54
do
34:54
know,
34:55
evolutionary,
34:55
you
34:55
know,
34:56
kind
34:56
of
34:56
speaking
34:56
especially
34:57
like,
34:58
Let
34:58
me,
34:58
let
34:58
me
34:59
specifically
34:59
say
35:00
social
35:01
evolution.
35:02
I'll
35:02
say
35:03
we
35:03
see
35:03
that
35:03
shame
35:04
has,
35:04
you
35:04
know,
35:04
helped
35:05
in
35:05
certain
35:05
areas
35:05
where
35:06
like
35:06
we
35:06
have.
35:07
And
35:07
I
35:08
let
35:09
me
35:09
asterisk.
35:10
No
35:11
one
35:11
here
35:11
supports
35:12
fat
35:12
shaming.
35:14
However,
35:15
you
35:15
can
35:16
see
35:16
where
35:16
a
35:16
lot
35:16
of
35:17
things
35:17
like
35:17
that
35:17
that
35:17
are
35:18
physically
35:19
bad
35:19
for
35:19
us.
35:20
Shame
35:20
has
35:20
played
35:21
a
35:21
part
35:21
in
35:22
basically
35:22
peer
35:23
pressuring
35:23
people
35:24
to
35:24
be
35:24
healthier,
35:25
which
35:26
maybe
35:26
isn't
35:26
a
35:26
great
35:27
thing,
35:27
but
35:27
there
35:27
might
35:27
still
35:28
be
35:28
something
35:28
to
35:28
learn
35:29
from
35:29
that
35:30
dynamic
35:31
in
35:31
society
35:32
or
35:33
some
35:34
of
35:34
these
35:34
other
35:34
aggressive
35:34
behaviors
35:35
that
35:35
clearly
35:35
allow
35:36
the
35:36
Klingons
35:36
to
35:36
thrive
35:37
for
35:37
so
35:37
long.
35:38
That's
35:38
the
35:38
best
35:38
I
35:38
got.
35:39
I
35:39
don't
35:39
know.
35:40
I
35:40
feel
35:40
like
35:40
all
35:40
that's
35:40
still
35:41
kind
35:41
of
35:41
bs,
35:41
but
35:42
I
35:42
tried.
35:44
Yeah,
35:45
man,
35:45
that's
35:46
a
35:46
hard
35:46
exercise.
35:48
All
35:49
I'm
35:49
gonna
35:49
say
35:49
is
35:50
in
35:50
the
35:50
one
35:51
of
35:51
the
35:51
first
35:51
Hippocratic
35:52
missions
35:52
with
35:53
the
35:53
Klingons,
35:54
Archer
35:54
totally
35:55
rejected
35:56
the
35:56
Klingon
35:57
idea
35:57
of
35:57
honor
35:58
and
35:58
forced
35:59
the
36:00
Klingon
36:00
that
36:01
had
36:01
died,
36:01
that
36:02
should
36:02
have
36:02
died
36:02
on
36:02
Earth
36:03
to
36:03
remain
36:04
alive
36:04
until
36:04
he
36:04
could
36:04
deliver
36:05
him
36:05
alive
36:05
to
36:05
Kronos,
36:07
being
36:07
told
36:08
that
36:08
it
36:08
was
36:08
their
36:08
culture
36:09
to
36:09
let
36:09
the
36:09
man
36:10
die
36:10
honorably.
36:11
Well,
36:13
I
36:14
will
36:15
say
36:15
again,
36:16
I
36:17
don't
36:17
like
36:17
the
36:17
idea
36:17
of
36:18
honor
36:18
shame
36:18
culture
36:19
that
36:19
being
36:20
the
36:20
basis
36:20
for
36:21
how
36:21
we
36:24
operate.
36:25
But
36:26
there
36:26
are
36:26
some
36:26
things,
36:27
I
36:27
can
36:27
see
36:27
a
36:28
little
36:28
bit
36:28
of
36:28
a
36:28
biblical
36:29
idea
36:29
behind
36:29
it
36:30
going
36:30
into
36:31
more
36:31
of
36:31
our
36:32
themes.
36:33
What
36:33
we
36:33
can
36:33
pull
36:33
from
36:33
this
36:34
in
36:34
real
36:34
life
36:36
because
36:36
there
36:36
are
36:36
some
36:37
things
36:37
in
36:37
the
36:37
Bible
36:37
of
36:37
we
36:38
do
36:38
honor
36:38
certain
36:38
people
36:38
in
36:39
the
36:39
church
36:39
with
36:40
the
36:40
title
36:40
Elder
36:41
if
36:41
they
36:41
meet
36:41
certain
36:42
criteria
36:42
or
36:43
stuff
36:43
like
36:44
that.
36:44
I
36:45
think
36:45
that's
36:45
beneficial
36:46
so
36:46
that
36:46
you
36:46
know
36:47
who
36:47
to
36:47
learn
36:48
from,
36:48
who
36:48
to
36:48
respect.
36:49
You
36:49
know,
36:49
Andy
36:49
has
36:49
a
36:50
doctorate.
36:50
We
36:50
honored
36:51
him
36:51
with
36:51
that
36:51
degree
36:52
because
36:52
he
36:52
did
36:52
the
36:53
work
36:53
to
36:53
get
36:53
that
36:53
degree.
36:55
And
36:55
having
36:55
those
36:56
honorifics
36:56
allow
36:57
us
36:57
to
36:57
know
36:57
who
36:57
to
36:57
learn
36:58
from,
36:58
who
36:58
to
36:58
respect.
36:59
And
36:59
I
36:59
think
36:59
that's
37:00
useful.
37:01
I
37:01
just
37:01
don't
37:01
think
37:01
our
37:02
culture
37:02
should
37:02
necessarily
37:02
be
37:03
based
37:03
off
37:03
of
37:03
it.
37:04
So
37:04
I'm
37:04
going
37:04
to
37:04
pull
37:05
the
37:05
Starfleet.
37:06
We
37:06
respect
37:06
all
37:07
people.
37:07
But
37:07
I
37:08
think
37:08
Klingon
37:08
has
37:08
a
37:09
good
37:09
point
37:10
with,
37:10
hey,
37:11
sometimes
37:11
honor
37:11
is
37:11
important.
37:13
Andy,
37:14
do
37:14
you
37:14
have
37:14
any
37:15
general
37:15
takeaways
37:16
from
37:17
what
37:17
are
37:17
we
37:17
pulling
37:17
from
37:18
all
37:18
these
37:18
that's
37:18
useful
37:19
in
37:19
real
37:19
life,
37:19
or
37:19
is
37:19
this
37:20
just
37:20
three
37:21
geeks
37:21
being
37:22
dumb?
37:26
I
37:27
think
37:27
the
37:28
opportunity
37:28
to
37:30
engage
37:30
with
37:31
the
37:31
exercise
37:31
of
37:32
how
37:32
do
37:32
I
37:32
relate
37:32
to
37:32
somebody
37:33
who's
37:33
very
37:33
different
37:33
from
37:33
me
37:34
is
37:34
always
37:35
worthwhile.
37:37
It
37:37
works
37:37
better
37:38
when
37:38
those
37:38
people
37:39
are
37:40
accurately
37:41
represented.
37:42
Right.
37:43
And
37:44
so,
37:44
you
37:44
know,
37:45
to
37:45
the
37:45
extent
37:45
that
37:46
Klingons
37:47
accurately
37:47
represent
37:48
any
37:48
actual,
37:49
you
37:49
know,
37:49
human
37:49
groups
37:50
that
37:50
can
37:50
be
37:51
worthwhile,
37:51
to
37:51
the
37:51
extent
37:51
that
37:52
they
37:52
are
37:52
parodies
37:53
or
37:53
caricatures
37:54
or,
37:54
you
37:55
know,
37:55
perpetuate
37:55
misunderstandings
37:56
of
37:57
other
37:57
groups
37:58
that
37:58
we
37:58
might
37:58
map
37:58
them
37:58
onto,
37:59
maybe
37:59
that's
38:00
not
38:00
so.
38:00
So
38:00
worthwhile.
38:02
Yeah,
38:03
but,
38:04
yeah,
38:04
and
38:05
I
38:05
think
38:07
learning
38:07
how
38:08
to
38:08
negotiate
38:09
that
38:09
not
38:10
everybody
38:10
is
38:11
going
38:11
to
38:13
be
38:13
a
38:13
part
38:13
of
38:13
the
38:14
Federation,
38:14
that
38:15
maybe
38:16
one
38:17
world
38:18
system,
38:18
one
38:19
world,
38:19
one
38:20
universe
38:20
system,
38:21
one
38:21
galaxy
38:21
system,
38:22
whatever,
38:23
may
38:24
not
38:24
be
38:26
the
38:26
goal
38:26
to
38:27
strive
38:27
for.
38:27
There
38:27
may
38:28
be
38:28
value
38:28
in
38:29
having
38:30
diverse
38:32
institutions,
38:32
diverse
38:33
cultures,
38:34
diverse
38:34
organizations,
38:36
interacting
38:36
with
38:37
each
38:37
other
38:37
and
38:37
having
38:38
to
38:39
engage
38:40
with
38:40
each
38:40
other
38:41
to
38:43
mutually
38:43
improve,
38:44
as
38:44
opposed
38:44
to
38:46
trying
38:46
to
38:46
find
38:47
the
38:47
one
38:48
size
38:48
fits
38:48
all
38:49
solution
38:50
that
38:51
may
38:51
not
38:51
actually
38:52
exist.
38:53
Yeah,
38:53
no,
38:53
that
38:54
makes
38:54
a
38:54
lot
38:54
of
38:54
sense.
38:55
Something
38:56
you
38:56
said
38:56
there
38:57
gonna
38:58
lean
38:58
into
38:58
within
38:58
and
38:59
then
38:59
force
38:59
Herbie
39:00
to
39:00
respond
39:00
to,
39:03
though
39:03
you're
39:04
not
39:04
about,
39:04
like,
39:04
just.
39:05
Just
39:05
interacting
39:05
with
39:05
people
39:06
who.
39:06
We
39:06
just
39:06
can't
39:07
see
39:07
their
39:07
perspective,
39:08
like.
39:08
Like,
39:08
that's
39:09
why
39:09
this
39:09
seems
39:09
like
39:09
it's
39:09
a
39:09
shorter
39:10
episode
39:10
and
39:11
we're
39:11
struggling
39:11
here
39:12
because
39:12
it's
39:12
like,
39:12
it's
39:13
just
39:13
genuinely
39:13
difficult
39:14
to
39:14
see
39:14
the
39:14
Klingon
39:15
perspective.
39:16
A
39:16
lot
39:17
of
39:17
people
39:17
where
39:17
we
39:17
live
39:18
in
39:18
America
39:18
feel
39:19
pretty
39:19
similarly
39:19
on
39:20
different
39:20
sides
39:20
of
39:20
the
39:20
political
39:21
aisle
39:21
or
39:22
different
39:22
sides
39:22
of
39:22
this
39:22
issue
39:23
or
39:23
that
39:23
issue,
39:23
right.
39:23
Where
39:23
it's
39:23
like,
39:24
how
39:24
much
39:24
Earth
39:24
could
39:24
someone
39:25
think
39:25
that's
39:25
right,
39:26
you
39:26
know,
39:26
like,
39:27
and
39:27
it's
39:27
just
39:27
beyond
39:28
us
39:28
to
39:28
even
39:28
understand
39:29
it
39:31
since
39:32
that's
39:32
part
39:32
of
39:32
our
39:33
reality.
39:33
Herbie,
39:34
what
39:35
can
39:35
we.
39:35
What
39:35
can
39:36
we
39:36
learn
39:36
from,
39:37
like,
39:37
how
39:37
Starfleet
39:38
deals
39:38
with
39:39
Klingons
39:39
who
39:39
make
39:39
no
39:40
sense
39:40
to
39:40
them,
39:41
that
39:41
maybe
39:41
we're
39:41
able
39:42
to
39:42
apply
39:42
in
39:42
our
39:42
world
39:43
when
39:43
we
39:43
see
39:43
people
39:43
who
39:43
like,
39:44
yeah,
39:45
what
39:45
you
39:45
think
39:45
is
39:45
right
39:46
seems
39:47
so
39:47
wrong
39:47
to
39:47
me
39:47
that
39:47
I
39:47
can't
39:47
even
39:48
comprehend
39:48
it.
39:49
Well,
39:49
to
39:49
an
39:49
extent,
39:50
you
39:50
don't
39:50
have
39:50
to
39:51
understand
39:51
how
39:51
they're
39:52
thinking
39:52
or
39:52
why
39:52
they
39:53
think
39:53
that
39:53
way.
39:54
Sometimes
39:54
you
39:54
just
39:54
need
39:55
to
39:55
understand
39:55
that
39:55
that
39:55
is
39:56
how
39:56
they
39:56
think.
39:57
You
39:57
don't
39:57
necessarily
39:57
need
39:58
to
39:58
know
39:58
how
39:58
the
39:58
Klingon
39:59
culture
40:00
came
40:00
to
40:00
be
40:01
where
40:01
it
40:01
is.
40:01
You
40:02
do
40:02
just
40:02
need
40:02
to
40:02
know
40:03
that
40:03
this
40:03
is
40:03
their
40:03
culture,
40:04
this
40:04
is
40:04
what
40:04
they
40:04
believe.
40:05
This
40:05
is
40:06
how
40:06
they
40:06
believe
40:06
you
40:06
should
40:07
act
40:07
and
40:07
engage
40:08
with
40:08
that,
40:08
because
40:09
you
40:09
don't
40:10
necessarily
40:10
need
40:10
to
40:11
know
40:11
why
40:11
they
40:11
are
40:11
the
40:11
way
40:11
they
40:12
are
40:12
more
40:12
than
40:13
you
40:13
need
40:13
to
40:13
know.
40:14
This
40:14
is
40:14
who
40:14
you're
40:14
dealing
40:15
with.
40:15
Andy,
40:16
any
40:16
other
40:17
thoughts
40:17
or
40:17
follow
40:17
ups
40:17
to
40:18
that?
40:19
Yeah,
40:19
I
40:20
mean,
40:20
you
40:21
raise
40:21
an
40:21
interesting
40:22
question.
40:23
But
40:23
I
40:23
think
40:24
while
40:25
there
40:25
are
40:25
some
40:25
similarities,
40:26
I
40:26
think
40:26
there's
40:26
some
40:26
pretty
40:26
big
40:27
differences
40:27
in
40:28
the
40:28
scenarios
40:28
that
40:28
we're
40:29
dealing
40:29
with.
40:29
I
40:29
would
40:30
say
40:30
that
40:31
the
40:32
tension
40:32
between
40:32
Stark
40:33
Fleet
40:33
and
40:33
the
40:33
Klingons
40:34
is
40:34
largely
40:35
one
40:35
of
40:35
values.
40:36
They
40:36
have
40:36
very
40:36
different
40:37
value
40:37
systems
40:38
and
40:38
so
40:38
that
40:39
means
40:39
that
40:39
they
40:40
prioritize
40:42
differently
40:43
and
40:43
have
40:44
different
40:44
goals
40:44
and
40:44
so
40:44
forth.
40:45
Whereas
40:46
I
40:46
think
40:46
in
40:46
the
40:47
current
40:47
American
40:47
situation
40:49
if
40:49
you
40:49
sat
40:49
down
40:50
and
40:50
in
40:50
the
40:50
abstract
40:51
asked
40:51
people
40:51
to
40:53
talk
40:54
about
40:54
what
40:54
they
40:54
value,
40:55
what
40:55
they
40:55
prioritize,
40:55
I
40:56
think
40:56
a
40:56
lot
40:56
of
40:56
us
40:57
would
40:57
list
40:57
the
40:58
same
40:58
things.
40:58
I
40:58
think
40:59
not
41:00
universally,
41:00
not
41:01
in
41:01
exactly
41:01
the
41:01
same
41:02
order,
41:02
whatever.
41:02
But
41:03
I
41:03
think
41:03
by
41:03
and
41:03
large
41:04
we
41:04
are
41:04
talking
41:04
about
41:05
the
41:05
same
41:05
values.
41:05
We
41:06
do
41:06
want
41:06
to
41:06
accomplish
41:07
the
41:07
same
41:07
things.
41:07
There's
41:08
a
41:08
very
41:08
different
41:09
understanding
41:09
of
41:09
how
41:09
to
41:09
accomplish
41:10
that
41:10
in
41:11
some
41:11
cases
41:12
based
41:12
on
41:12
very
41:13
different
41:13
understandings
41:14
of
41:14
what
41:14
the
41:14
reality
41:14
of
41:15
the
41:15
world
41:15
is
41:15
that
41:16
we're
41:16
living
41:16
in.
41:17
You
41:18
know,
41:18
and
41:18
Star
41:19
Trek
41:19
has
41:19
touched
41:19
on
41:19
that
41:20
at
41:20
different
41:20
times.
41:21
You
41:21
know,
41:21
issues
41:22
of
41:22
propaganda
41:23
and,
41:24
you
41:24
know,
41:25
how
41:25
do
41:25
you
41:25
know
41:25
what's
41:25
true
41:26
and
41:26
you
41:26
know,
41:26
how
41:26
are
41:26
you
41:26
getting
41:27
accurate
41:27
information
41:28
out
41:28
of
41:28
the,
41:29
you
41:29
know,
41:29
I
41:29
think
41:29
Even
41:30
Star
41:30
Trek
41:30
6,
41:31
you
41:31
know,
41:31
has
41:31
a
41:31
lot
41:31
about
41:32
that.
41:32
How
41:32
do
41:32
we,
41:32
how
41:32
do
41:32
we
41:33
get
41:33
accurate
41:34
information
41:34
out
41:34
of
41:34
the
41:34
Klingon
41:35
Empire
41:35
when
41:36
we're
41:36
not
41:36
there
41:36
on
41:36
the
41:37
ground
41:37
and
41:37
so
41:37
forth.
41:38
But
41:38
yeah,
41:39
I
41:39
think,
41:39
you
41:39
know,
41:39
to
41:40
stick
41:40
my
41:41
neck
41:41
out
41:41
a
41:41
little
41:41
bit
41:41
by
41:42
talking
41:42
about
41:42
some
41:42
particulars.
41:43
Right.
41:44
You
41:45
know,
41:45
we're
41:45
having
41:45
a
41:45
lot
41:45
of
41:45
conversations
41:46
about
41:46
government
41:47
efficiency
41:47
and
41:47
government
41:48
waste
41:48
and
41:48
fraud
41:48
and
41:49
so
41:49
forth.
41:49
I
41:49
think
41:50
a
41:50
large
41:51
portion
41:52
of
41:52
Americans
41:53
would
41:53
agree
41:53
that,
41:54
you
41:54
know,
41:54
cutting
41:54
down
41:54
on
41:55
fraud
41:55
is
41:56
a
41:56
good
41:56
idea,
41:56
that
41:57
eliminating
41:58
waste,
41:58
if
41:59
it's
41:59
true,
42:00
you
42:00
know,
42:00
if
42:00
we
42:00
can
42:00
truly
42:00
identify
42:01
what's
42:01
wasteful
42:02
is
42:03
worthwhile.
42:05
It's
42:06
just
42:06
that
42:06
we
42:06
have
42:06
very
42:07
different
42:07
understandings
42:08
of
42:08
what
42:09
the,
42:10
where
42:10
our
42:10
money's
42:10
actually
42:11
going
42:11
and
42:13
what
42:13
would
42:13
constitute
42:14
fraud
42:15
and
42:15
so
42:15
forth.
42:16
But
42:17
I
42:17
think
42:17
we
42:18
can
42:18
find
42:18
common
42:18
ground
42:19
on.
42:19
Yeah,
42:19
I
42:19
think
42:20
if
42:20
we
42:20
can
42:20
identify
42:21
fraud
42:22
and
42:22
waste
42:22
and
42:23
inefficiencies,
42:25
sure,
42:26
let's
42:26
figure
42:26
out
42:26
a
42:26
way
42:27
to
42:27
improve
42:27
on
42:28
those
42:29
with
42:29
the
42:29
understanding
42:29
that
42:30
nothing
42:30
will
42:30
ever
42:30
be
42:31
100%
42:31
efficient.
42:32
Sadie
42:32
Carnot
42:33
taught
42:33
us
42:33
that
42:33
a
42:33
long
42:34
time
42:34
ago.
42:36
But,
42:37
you
42:37
know,
42:38
and
42:38
understanding
42:38
that,
42:38
so
42:39
what,
42:39
what
42:39
the
42:39
world
42:39
trade
42:40
offs
42:40
will
42:40
be.
42:40
But
42:40
I'd
42:40
much
42:41
rather
42:41
have
42:41
a
42:41
conversation
42:42
about
42:42
trade
42:43
offs
42:43
and
42:44
get
42:44
down
42:44
to
42:45
where,
42:45
where
42:45
there
42:46
might
42:46
be
42:46
subtle
42:46
differences
42:47
in
42:47
our
42:47
values
42:47
and
42:47
why
42:48
we
42:48
therefore
42:48
would
42:48
accept
42:49
different
42:49
trade
42:49
offs
42:49
and
42:49
have
42:50
a
42:50
negotiation
42:50
on
42:51
that
42:51
term
42:52
than
42:52
the
42:52
situation
42:53
where
42:53
we
42:53
seem
42:53
to
42:53
be
42:53
in
42:53
now,
42:53
which
42:54
is
42:54
just,
42:55
I
42:55
describe
42:56
one
42:56
reality
42:56
and
42:56
you
42:57
describe
42:57
a
42:57
different
42:57
reality,
42:57
and
42:57
they're
42:58
unreconcilable
42:59
and
43:00
we
43:00
can't
43:00
really
43:01
move
43:01
forward
43:02
on
43:02
those
43:02
terms.
43:03
Yeah,
43:04
well,
43:04
I'm
43:04
gonna
43:05
go
43:05
back
43:05
to
43:05
something
43:05
else
43:05
you
43:06
said,
43:07
because
43:07
you
43:07
kind
43:08
of
43:08
did
43:08
a
43:08
little
43:08
bit
43:08
of
43:08
a
43:08
meta
43:09
analysis
43:09
earlier.
43:10
We
43:10
were
43:10
talking
43:10
about
43:10
how,
43:10
like,
43:10
Klingons
43:11
were
43:11
actually
43:11
kind
43:11
of
43:12
a
43:12
character
43:12
of
43:12
something
43:12
that
43:13
probably
43:13
doesn't
43:13
exist
43:14
in
43:14
our
43:14
world.
43:15
Maybe
43:15
that's
43:16
the
43:16
issue,
43:16
right?
43:17
Like.
43:17
Like
43:18
what
43:18
happens
43:18
in,
43:19
in
43:19
our
43:19
world
43:20
is
43:20
we
43:20
make
43:20
this
43:20
caricature
43:21
of
43:21
the
43:21
other
43:22
side,
43:22
right?
43:22
Like,
43:22
like
43:23
the
43:23
left
43:23
sees
43:23
conservatives
43:24
as,
43:24
like,
43:25
we're
43:25
all
43:25
these
43:25
hillbillies
43:26
who
43:27
think
43:27
Donald
43:28
Trump's
43:28
great
43:28
and
43:28
we
43:28
want
43:29
to
43:29
kill
43:29
all
43:29
brown
43:29
people
43:30
or
43:30
something.
43:30
And
43:31
that's
43:31
not
43:31
always
43:31
the
43:32
case.
43:32
But
43:32
we
43:32
make
43:32
this
43:32
character
43:33
and
43:33
we
43:33
just
43:33
assume
43:33
everyone's
43:34
that
43:34
way,
43:34
then
43:34
we
43:34
can't
43:35
possibly
43:35
approach
43:35
them
43:35
because
43:36
that
43:36
makes
43:36
no
43:36
sense
43:36
to
43:36
us.
43:37
And
43:37
then
43:37
the
43:37
other
43:38
side
43:38
makes
43:38
a
43:38
character
43:38
of
43:38
the
43:39
left
43:39
going,
43:39
well,
43:39
they
43:40
just
43:40
want
43:40
to
43:40
let
43:40
anybody
43:41
do
43:41
whatever
43:41
they
43:41
want
43:41
and
43:41
they
43:42
want
43:42
anarchy
43:43
and
43:44
they
43:44
don't
43:44
care
43:44
about
43:44
our
43:44
border
43:45
or
43:45
our
43:45
safety
43:46
of
43:46
our
43:46
families.
43:46
And
43:47
it's
43:47
like,
43:47
well,
43:47
that's,
43:47
that's
43:48
not
43:48
true
43:48
either.
43:48
But
43:48
we
43:48
make
43:48
these
43:49
characters
43:49
on
43:49
both
43:49
sides,
43:50
right?
43:50
And
43:50
I'm
43:51
not
43:51
trying
43:51
to
43:51
do
43:51
the
43:51
both
43:51
sides
43:52
of
43:52
them.
43:52
I
43:52
actually
43:53
definitely
43:53
think
43:54
that
43:54
the
43:54
side
43:54
of
43:54
Donald
43:54
Trump
43:55
is
43:55
just
43:55
more
43:55
wrong,
43:56
personally.
43:57
That's
43:57
just.
43:57
I
43:57
will
43:57
say
43:58
that,
43:59
but
43:59
I
43:59
can
43:59
still
44:00
see
44:00
that
44:00
that
44:00
happens
44:01
in
44:01
our
44:01
world
44:01
or
44:02
meet
44:02
these
44:02
characters.
44:03
And
44:03
then
44:03
it
44:03
makes
44:03
it
44:04
harder
44:04
for
44:04
us
44:04
to
44:04
ever
44:05
talk
44:05
to
44:06
one
44:06
another
44:06
and
44:06
like
44:07
Andy
44:07
says,
44:07
list
44:07
out
44:08
these
44:09
issues
44:09
that
44:09
we
44:09
probably
44:10
do
44:10
agree
44:10
on
44:10
a
44:10
lot
44:10
of
44:10
the
44:11
same
44:11
values,
44:12
but
44:12
because
44:12
of
44:12
that
44:12
caricature,
44:13
we
44:13
don't
44:13
even
44:14
want
44:14
to
44:14
come
44:14
to
44:14
the
44:14
table
44:14
to
44:15
talk.
44:16
I
44:16
don't
44:16
know,
44:16
does
44:16
that.
44:17
We
44:17
need
44:17
to
44:17
bring
44:18
the
44:18
Ferengi
44:18
into
44:19
this.
44:19
At
44:19
this
44:19
point,
44:19
when
44:19
you
44:20
start
44:20
talking
44:20
about
44:20
government
44:21
spending
44:21
and.
44:22
Yeah,
44:23
but
44:23
also
44:24
to
44:24
bring
44:24
them
44:25
in,
44:25
in
44:25
a
44:25
more
44:26
direct
44:26
path.
44:27
They
44:27
also
44:28
have
44:28
a
44:28
governmental
44:29
system
44:30
that
44:30
is
44:31
very
44:31
different,
44:31
has
44:31
very
44:32
different
44:32
ideals
44:33
than
44:33
the
44:33
Federation,
44:34
and
44:34
yet
44:34
the
44:34
Federation
44:35
seems
44:35
to
44:35
be
44:35
able
44:35
to
44:36
work
44:36
with
44:36
them
44:36
a
44:36
lot
44:37
better
44:37
than
44:37
they
44:37
did
44:37
the
44:38
Klingons.
44:38
Yeah.
44:39
It's
44:39
crazy
44:39
how
44:39
people
44:40
seem
44:40
to
44:40
find
44:41
ways
44:41
to
44:41
work
44:41
with
44:42
the
44:42
people
44:42
who
44:42
care
44:42
about
44:43
money
44:43
easier
44:43
than
44:44
they
44:44
do
44:45
people
44:45
who
44:45
have
44:45
other
44:46
different
44:46
value
44:46
issues.
44:48
It's
44:48
interesting.
44:50
I
44:50
don't
44:51
think
44:51
there's
44:51
any
44:51
parallels
44:51
to
44:52
that,
44:52
to
44:52
real
44:52
life,
44:52
but,
44:53
Andy,
44:54
do
44:54
you
44:54
have
44:54
any
44:54
other
44:55
Final
44:55
notes
44:55
before
44:55
we
44:55
jump
44:56
into
44:56
our
44:56
wrap
44:56
up
44:56
today?
44:57
No,
44:57
I
44:57
think,
44:58
I
44:59
think
44:59
I've
44:59
covered
44:59
it.
44:59
We've
44:59
talked
44:59
about
45:00
Star
45:01
Trek
45:01
6
45:01
plenty.
45:04
It
45:04
was
45:04
a
45:04
good
45:04
movie.
45:05
Andy
45:06
just
45:06
wanted
45:06
to
45:06
do
45:07
a
45:07
Star
45:07
Trek
45:07
6
45:07
episode.
45:08
I
45:09
didn't
45:09
know
45:09
that
45:10
what
45:10
was
45:10
gonna
45:10
happen,
45:10
but
45:11
it
45:11
was
45:12
relevant.
45:12
Yeah,
45:13
it
45:13
is
45:13
a
45:13
good
45:13
movie.
45:14
If
45:14
you
45:14
have
45:14
not
45:14
seen
45:14
Star
45:15
Trek
45:15
6,
45:15
go
45:16
watch
45:16
it.
45:16
If
45:16
you
45:16
have
45:17
seen
45:17
it
45:17
and
45:17
it's
45:17
been
45:17
a
45:17
while,
45:18
watch
45:18
it
45:18
again.
45:19
Yeah,
45:19
this
45:19
has
45:19
our
45:19
pre
45:20
recommendation
45:20
to
45:20
the
45:21
recommendations.
45:21
We
45:22
want
45:22
you
45:22
to
45:22
watch
45:22
Star
45:22
Trek
45:23
6.
45:23
Yeah.
45:25
Herbie,
45:25
any
45:26
other
45:26
final
45:26
notes
45:26
before
45:26
we
45:26
jump
45:27
into
45:27
that
45:27
wrap
45:27
up?
45:28
Nah,
45:28
I
45:28
think
45:28
we're
45:29
good
45:29
to
45:29
wrap
45:29
it
45:29
up.
45:30
Cool,
45:30
cool,
45:31
cool.
45:31
Well
45:31
guys,
45:32
we
45:33
will
45:33
be
45:33
doing
45:33
a
45:33
bonus
45:33
question
45:34
very
45:34
quickly
45:35
and
45:35
that's
45:36
just
45:36
going
45:36
to
45:36
be
45:36
what
45:37
would
45:37
have
45:37
happened
45:37
if
45:38
the
45:38
Ferengi
45:39
backed
45:40
up
45:40
the
45:40
Klingons
45:41
before
45:42
their
45:42
treaty
45:43
with
45:43
Starfleet?
45:44
What
45:45
if
45:45
there
45:45
was
45:45
a.
45:45
What
45:45
if
45:45
there
45:46
was
45:46
Ferengi
45:46
money
45:47
on
45:47
the
45:47
Klingon
45:48
side
45:48
of
45:48
that
45:48
war?
45:49
We'll
45:49
answer
45:50
that
45:50
here
45:50
in
45:50
a
45:50
little
45:50
bit.
45:50
But
45:51
first
45:51
we
45:51
are
45:51
going
45:51
to
45:51
give
45:51
our
45:52
recommendations.
45:53
For
45:54
me,
45:54
you
45:55
know
45:55
what,
45:56
The
45:56
Electric
45:56
State.
45:57
Good
45:57
movie.
45:57
I'm
45:58
recommending
45:58
it.
45:58
I
45:58
mentioned
45:59
it
45:59
earlier.
45:59
I'm
45:59
going
46:00
back
46:00
to
46:00
it.
46:00
I
46:01
stand
46:01
by
46:01
what
46:02
I
46:02
said.
46:03
Andy,
46:04
any
46:04
recommendations
46:05
for
46:05
the
46:05
people?
46:07
If
46:08
you
46:08
like
46:09
Star
46:10
Trek
46:10
Lower
46:10
decks.
46:11
First
46:11
of
46:11
all,
46:11
if
46:11
you
46:11
haven't
46:12
seen
46:12
any
46:12
of
46:12
Star
46:12
Trek
46:12
Lower
46:13
Decks,
46:13
the
46:13
cartoon.
46:13
I
46:13
love
46:14
lower
46:14
Decks.
46:15
That's
46:15
a
46:15
recommendation.
46:16
But
46:16
even
46:17
more
46:17
niche
46:18
than
46:18
that,
46:18
Ryan
46:19
north
46:19
has
46:20
been
46:20
writing
46:20
Star
46:21
Trek
46:21
Lower
46:21
Decks
46:22
comics.
46:22
And
46:24
if
46:24
you've
46:25
heard
46:25
me
46:26
on
46:26
almost
46:26
any
46:26
other
46:27
episode
46:27
of
46:27
this
46:28
podcast,
46:28
I've
46:28
probably
46:29
mentioned
46:29
Ryan
46:29
north
46:30
and
46:30
how
46:30
I
46:30
would
46:30
like
46:30
to
46:30
be
46:31
Ryan
46:31
north
46:31
when
46:31
I
46:31
grow
46:32
up.
46:32
And
46:34
his
46:34
Star
46:34
Trek
46:35
Lord
46:35
X
46:35
comics
46:36
have
46:36
not
46:36
dissuaded
46:36
me
46:36
of
46:36
that
46:37
notion
46:37
in
46:37
any
46:37
way,
46:37
shape
46:38
or
46:38
form.
46:38
So
46:38
check
46:39
those
46:39
out.
46:39
Well,
46:39
I
46:40
know
46:40
what
46:40
I'm
46:40
doing
46:40
after
46:41
this.
46:41
Herbie,
46:42
recommendations.
46:44
I
46:45
would
46:45
suggest
46:45
anybody
46:46
who
46:46
has
46:46
not
46:46
seen
46:47
the
46:47
original
46:48
series,
46:49
the
46:50
of
46:50
the
46:50
feature
46:50
length
46:51
films.
46:52
So
46:52
that's
46:52
like
46:52
one
46:53
through
46:54
seven,
46:54
I
46:54
think.
46:55
Six.
46:55
Six.
46:57
If
46:57
you
46:58
haven't
46:58
seen
46:58
all
46:58
of
46:58
them,
46:59
watch
46:59
them.
46:59
Knock
47:00
it
47:00
out.
47:00
It'll
47:00
take
47:00
you
47:01
a
47:01
week
47:01
if
47:01
you
47:01
do
47:01
a
47:02
movie
47:02
a
47:02
day.
47:03
I
47:03
really
47:04
thought
47:04
there
47:04
was
47:04
eight
47:05
original
47:05
movies
47:06
for
47:06
some
47:06
reason.
47:07
Nope.
47:07
Undiscovered
47:08
country
47:08
is
47:08
the
47:09
last
47:09
hurrah
47:10
for
47:10
the
47:11
original
47:12
crew.
47:13
Kirk
47:14
comes
47:14
back
47:14
in
47:15
Generations,
47:16
which
47:16
is
47:17
Generations.
47:18
So
47:18
it's
47:18
maybe.
47:19
Maybe
47:19
six
47:19
and
47:19
a
47:19
half.
47:20
Yeah,
47:21
I
47:21
like.
47:23
But
47:23
there
47:23
are
47:23
only
47:24
six
47:24
films
47:24
with
47:24
the
47:24
whole
47:25
original
47:25
crew.
47:26
Fun
47:27
stuff.
47:27
All
47:28
right,
47:28
well
47:28
with
47:29
that
47:29
great
47:29
recommendations,
47:30
hope
47:30
everybody
47:31
checks
47:31
out.
47:31
All
47:31
of
47:31
them.
47:32
But
47:32
if
47:32
you're
47:32
on
47:32
the
47:32
laptop,
47:32
here's
47:33
my
47:33
other
47:33
recommendation.
47:33
Consider
47:34
rating
47:34
and
47:34
reviewing
47:35
our
47:35
show
47:35
on
47:35
Podchaser
47:36
or
47:36
on
47:36
GoodPods.
47:37
It's
47:37
going
47:37
to
47:37
help
47:37
our
47:37
show
47:37
gain
47:38
recognition
47:38
and
47:39
make
47:39
it
47:39
easier
47:39
to
47:39
find
47:39
in
47:40
search
47:40
engines
47:40
like
47:40
Google.
47:41
So
47:41
we
47:41
do
47:41
appreciate
47:41
you
47:41
just
47:42
spending
47:42
a
47:42
little
47:42
bit
47:42
of
47:42
time
47:42
and
47:43
doing
47:43
that
47:43
for
47:43
us.
47:44
If
47:44
you're
47:44
on
47:44
your
47:44
phone,
47:45
you're
47:45
not
47:45
on
47:45
a
47:45
laptop,
47:46
consider
47:46
reading,
47:46
reviewing,
47:47
or
47:47
commenting
47:47
on
47:47
our
47:47
show
47:47
on
47:48
Apple
47:48
Podcasts
47:48
or
47:49
Spotify.
47:49
That's
47:50
going
47:50
to
47:50
help
47:50
our
47:50
show
47:50
be
47:50
prioritized
47:51
in
47:51
those
47:51
algorithms,
47:52
which
47:52
is
47:52
where
47:52
most
47:52
people
47:53
listen
47:53
to
47:53
their
47:53
podcast.
47:53
So
47:54
that
47:54
would
47:54
be
47:54
cool.
47:55
Also,
47:55
we
47:56
appreciate
47:56
our
47:57
financial
47:58
sponsors
47:59
from
47:59
Apple
47:59
Podcasts,
48:00
Captivate
48:00
and
48:00
Patreon.
48:01
Again,
48:01
thank
48:02
you.
48:02
Russell
48:02
Gentry,
48:03
you
48:03
rock.
48:04
We
48:04
love
48:04
you.
48:05
And
48:05
if
48:06
you
48:06
guys
48:06
want
48:06
your
48:06
own
48:06
shout
48:06
out
48:06
like
48:07
Russell,
48:07
and
48:07
to
48:07
hear
48:08
me
48:08
say
48:08
that
48:08
I
48:08
love
48:08
you,
48:09
well,
48:09
you
48:09
could
48:09
just
48:10
call
48:10
me.
48:10
I'll
48:10
say
48:10
that
48:10
to
48:10
basically
48:11
anyone
48:11
because
48:11
I.
48:11
I
48:12
love
48:12
everybody.
48:12
But
48:13
remember,
48:13
if
48:13
you
48:13
want
48:13
your
48:14
own
48:14
shout
48:14
out,
48:14
you
48:14
could
48:14
support
48:15
our
48:15
show
48:15
for
48:15
$3
48:15
a
48:15
month
48:16
on
48:16
one
48:16
of
48:16
those
48:16
three
48:16
platforms,
48:17
Apple
48:17
Podcast,
48:18
Captivate
48:18
or
48:18
Patreon.
48:19
Thank
48:20
you
48:20
guys
48:20
so
48:20
much.
48:21
Again,
48:21
if
48:21
you
48:21
want
48:21
to
48:21
hear
48:21
more
48:22
of
48:22
this
48:22
series
48:22
as
48:23
part
48:23
of
48:23
our
48:23
annual
48:23
theme,
48:24
find
48:24
any
48:24
Good
48:24
in
48:25
the
48:25
other.
48:25
So
48:25
the
48:25
link
48:26
down
48:26
below
48:26
in
48:26
the
48:26
show
48:26
notes
48:27
will
48:27
have
48:27
the
48:27
entire
48:27
series
48:28
down
48:28
there.
48:28
And
48:29
remember,
48:29
we're
48:30
all
48:30
a
48:30
chosen
48:30
people,
48:31
a
48:31
geekdom
48:32
of
48:32
priests.