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HR1: Live from Training Camp 2026 Day 15 · In the Locker Room presented by Neighborhood Ford Store (Pittsburgh Steelers)

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  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, no practice today, but the fields look primed
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  Speaker 3: and ready for practice.
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  Speaker 2: If that's the sad part. Yes, I think they would
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  Speaker 2: have I don't know whether they would have done it differently,
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  Speaker 2: But you think you just got to be cautious with
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  Speaker 2: the weather and the fans and I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: the field conditions like whether it's too wet, but it
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  Speaker 2: has not rained or thunderstorm during the during the period,
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  Speaker 2: so it goes they made the decision. Uh, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: Camp has closed. Heading back to Pittsburgh, heading back to
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  Speaker 2: the South Side facility. Mike McCarthy's saying this morning, in
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  Speaker 2: case you were wondering, great environment, talked about the group
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  Speaker 2: dynamics here. You and I actually had a chance to
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  Speaker 2: have lunch Maax. I know, first time we've been into
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  Speaker 2: lunch room all year. First so during the last time,
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  Speaker 2: and I asked you, you know, your thoughts on the
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  Speaker 2: value of it. Amazing that we're down to it. I think,
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  Speaker 2: what is it? Four teams now they go away for
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  Speaker 2: camp and you can see where the group dynamic, as
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  Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy would say, would be a really good thing.
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  Speaker 2: The team bonding part of it. Mike tom Win used
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  Speaker 2: to talk about that as well, just to you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's you just don't get it in other places.
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  Speaker 3: And because everything else is so individualized, right, you go
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  Speaker 3: to a facility, you go and you have practice at
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  Speaker 3: the facility and maybe you have breakfast and lunch there.
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  Speaker 2: Off the rest of the day, you know, you'll do
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  Speaker 2: your meetings and stuff. But and the lines meeting with
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  Speaker 2: the line and the D lines with the D line.
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  Speaker 3: Separate, you'll have your you know, you'll have a general
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  Speaker 3: team meeting in the morning. Then you'll break off into
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  Speaker 3: into sides at the ball, offense, defense, and then position
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  Speaker 3: groups and then that's it. This forces guys to make
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  Speaker 3: free time team time. I think that's the biggest thing
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  Speaker 3: that this cause. It forces guys to interact with each
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  Speaker 3: other because and Mike McCarthy kind of talked about this
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  Speaker 3: as a press conference, right, it was, you know, some
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  Speaker 3: guys live in the North Hill, some guys live in
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  Speaker 3: the South Hill, some guys live on the East End,
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  Speaker 3: and you don't see each other after you leave the facility, right,
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  Speaker 3: So this is in nighttime, we're figuring out stuff to do.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when I walk up to Team snack where
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  Speaker 3: the guys are hanging out there, they're playing cards, they're
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  Speaker 3: playing connect for they're sitting out there talking, they're listening
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  Speaker 3: to music. Right, guys are playing pool and you're you're
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  Speaker 3: getting that extra inner personal time to get to know
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  Speaker 3: one another. And I think that's an important aspect of
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  Speaker 3: why you come to camp. It's to build chemistry, right,
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  Speaker 3: because you build chemistry. That's a stronger bond, and that's
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  Speaker 3: what's gonna make it that much better on Sunday because
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  Speaker 3: I'm willing to fight because I know this guy. I
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  Speaker 3: know who his kids are, I know who his wife is,
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  Speaker 3: his mom, his dad, siblings, I know what he put
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  Speaker 3: into this. So I got to do my job so
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  Speaker 3: you can do his job. It creates that deeper connection
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  Speaker 3: amongst teammates.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's one of the little edges that the
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  Speaker 2: Steelers create by the way they operate. You know, we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about this in the past that you know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: in another organization a draft pick gets a longer shelf
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  Speaker 2: life because he's a draft pick. And you know, look,
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  Speaker 2: you select a guy because you like him, right, that's
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  Speaker 2: your scouts like him, your coaching staff probably likes him,
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  Speaker 2: so you're willing to give him a little more time.
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  Speaker 2: But there's also sometimes hey, that's a bad look for
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  Speaker 2: a new general manager if a draft choice and a
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  Speaker 2: new coach if they cut a draft choice. You know,
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  Speaker 2: now people are harping on him and bad. Well that
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  Speaker 2: Steelers don't operate that way, never have, and you know
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  Speaker 2: they've cut high draft picks of recent vintage in the past,
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  Speaker 2: and they've allowed you know, we've talked about this before.
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  Speaker 2: They have allowed walk Ons to come on and and
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  Speaker 2: you know, one of them Doney Shells in the Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame. You know, Willie Parker's in the Hall of Honor.
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  Speaker 2: You have James Harrison, I mean, you have You've got
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  Speaker 2: is that on. Other teams might not really get a sniff,
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  Speaker 2: not all teams. But again, it's another one of those
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  Speaker 2: little things. And I think that you know, training camp
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  Speaker 2: in Saint Vincent is one of those little things that's
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  Speaker 2: baked into this Judish culture that gives them a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of an edge.
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  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it creates an edge. And also it
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  Speaker 3: just goes to create the mystique, right the legend of
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  Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Steelers. I mean, where else can you teut
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  Speaker 3: that one area field I'm pointing to right over here,
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  Speaker 3: the three fields, right, but every single Super Bowl team,
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  Speaker 3: eight of them, yep, all started here, yep, right everywhere
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  Speaker 3: else teams are moving to their facilities, they move into
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  Speaker 3: a new building, a new stadium, like and that's where
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  Speaker 3: we train.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. Since nineteen sixty nine, this
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  Speaker 2: is where you come.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've upgraded things around it, But the bones
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  Speaker 3: are still there. This is still the same area. That
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  Speaker 3: means Joe Gen, Dwight White, Rocky Blier, Frank o'hars, Terry Bradshaw.
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  Speaker 3: The list goes on and on right of guys who
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  Speaker 3: cut their teeth and earn their jobs here. Touching wolf
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  Speaker 3: Right played on those same fields. I played on those
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  Speaker 3: same fields. It's current generations playing on those same fields.
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  Speaker 3: That's something that's really special. And you know, guys will
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  Speaker 3: when you come back. When guys come back, everybody has
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  Speaker 3: a memory from here. It's a shared collective, hive mind
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  Speaker 3: of thoughts about how we feel about this. If I
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  Speaker 3: talk to Mel Blunt on the sidelines, he has a
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  Speaker 3: story somewhere on this field, right. But if I talk
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  Speaker 3: to a guy that's younger, like a Tyson Alowalu, he
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  Speaker 3: has a story from somewhere on this field. We've all
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  Speaker 3: got so somebody has gotten into a fight in every
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  Speaker 3: part of this field over the last five decades, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So that's that's really what makes it really special. And
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  Speaker 3: there is that that's that that brings us all together.
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  Speaker 2: How far back do the players who joined the Steelers,
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  Speaker 2: how far back do they go in their memory of
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  Speaker 2: the Steelers, you know, I mean they you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: assuming that if you grew up now, you watched Ben
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  Speaker 2: Roethlisberger right when you were a kid. You saw him
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  Speaker 2: on TV, and you saw Lev Bell and you saw
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe James Harris and Troy Paulamalo, you know
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  Speaker 2: Antonio Brown. You saw these players. Does it go back
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  Speaker 2: further than that? Is it an education for a young
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  Speaker 2: player to come in here and learn about the Steel
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  Speaker 2: Curtain or do a lot of malready know about all
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  Speaker 2: that stuff?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's an education because I mean even for me,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know as much about the Steel Curtain as
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  Speaker 3: everybody else. I watched football. I knew who players were,
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  Speaker 3: and I you know, I remember players from the eighties
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  Speaker 3: and everything when I was a kid, But you know,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know the Steel Curtain as it was.
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  Speaker 2: And you come here, it's everywhere. And even when we're.
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  Speaker 3: Sitting in meets, like you know, and you're turning on
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  Speaker 3: the TV, NFL Network has a special about out them, right.
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  Speaker 3: You hear these rumbling voices and all of these NFL
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  Speaker 3: films expose's done on these players and teams. And then
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  Speaker 3: those guys come in and talk to you. We would
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  Speaker 3: have meetings with the former players.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, when I was a rookie. So I remember Rocky.
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  Speaker 3: Buyer, Frank O'harris, mel Blunt, Dayne, Dwayne Woodruff, and somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to think, oh J T. Thomas thinking. They all
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  Speaker 2: came and spoke to us. Craig Bingham came and spoke
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  Speaker 2: to us. Dwight White came and spoke to us.
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  Speaker 3: Joe Green was at He was on the scouting staff,
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  Speaker 3: so Joe Ring was walking up and down the sidelines,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and he was he was right there for
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  Speaker 3: one on one drills with the old line D line.
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  Speaker 2: And talk of trash. You know. You you just got
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  Speaker 2: around those guys. I mean, I have lunch with Franco
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  Speaker 2: once a month and.
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  Speaker 3: I would catch We'd be he'd be walking from his
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  Speaker 3: office and I'd be leaving my building from my apartment
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  Speaker 3: and we would see.
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  Speaker 2: Each other in the middle of the street. You know.
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  Speaker 3: It was just it was inundated into the culture. And
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  Speaker 3: I think, guys, you know, you have to come in
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  Speaker 3: with a certain level of respect for what it was,
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  Speaker 3: but not necessarily you know, coming in and say, oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, I'm a super Steeler historian that's not gonna happen, right,
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  Speaker 3: But you do need to have a working history of who.
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  Speaker 2: The legends are.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a there's enough hall of famers and legendary
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  Speaker 3: all decade team guys in Super Bowl championship teams to
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  Speaker 3: draw from.
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  Speaker 2: That's not hard. When you walk in that hallway.
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  Speaker 3: You see the six Super Bowl trophies, you see the
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  Speaker 3: pictures behind it, you know the significance of that. And
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  Speaker 3: upstairs on the wall you see every single Steelers team photo,
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  Speaker 3: you know, from the beginning all the way up to
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  Speaker 3: the present. So you're seeing all of that. That history
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  Speaker 3: is around you, and all you have to do is
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  Speaker 3: you don't have to dig deep. You just literally have
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  Speaker 3: to just open your eyes and you'll start to recognize,
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  Speaker 3: like what this place means and what the players that
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  Speaker 3: played here before you, what they meant to this organization.
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  Speaker 2: There's no easy answer for this, and it could be
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  Speaker 2: and I say that because there's everybody's a little bit different.
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  Speaker 2: When does it When does it dawn on you that
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  Speaker 2: the mystique is real and the players from the past
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  Speaker 2: are legends and they are people to be admired and
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  Speaker 2: respect and looked up to. I got to do his
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  Speaker 2: look at the Hall of Fame. How many bronze bus
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  Speaker 2: do you have versus the other organization? Well, I was
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  Speaker 2: have the most. So I asked that. I asked that
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  Speaker 2: because I've told this story before. But you know, while
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about the mystique and and what happens out
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  Speaker 2: here at La Trobe and how it's such a part
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  Speaker 2: of the Steelers history, I was, uh, I think it
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  Speaker 2: was oh uh oh, I can't remember which which player
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  Speaker 2: was Larry Oh no, no, no, old time, Oh Larry Brown.
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  Speaker 2: Larry Brown, you know Wolf always said he entered the
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  Speaker 2: room and his triceps centered like twenty seconds later. So
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  Speaker 2: Larry Larry Brown was. I was at the at the
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  Speaker 2: Steelers one of the students alumni functions over at Acriture Stadium,
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  Speaker 2: and Marky's pouncy sat down and you know, Larry Brown
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  Speaker 2: said to him on the air, you could have played
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  Speaker 2: with us, and off the air, so it did not
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  Speaker 2: to put any pressure on him, I was like, does
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  Speaker 2: that does that resonate? I mean, like, so I could
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  Speaker 2: see some young guys in different sports being like because
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  Speaker 2: it's always a debate, you know, every every generation of
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  Speaker 2: sports fans. Certainly, I kind of call this ESPN effect.
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  Speaker 2: Think that what's going on now is the greatest it's
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  Speaker 2: ever been. It's never been as good as this, and
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  Speaker 2: so you could see that that could potentially permeate into
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  Speaker 2: the athletes. My sense is it permeates less than the athletes,
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't the fans. But I so I asked Marquis,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, did that that means something to you? Said? Absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: because his eyes kind of lit up when Larry Brown
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  Speaker 2: said it. Yeah, and that's a compliment, like he's that's
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  Speaker 2: view as you know, Marquise. You know, look who's got
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  Speaker 2: his own legacy and legend in this in this pantheon
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  Speaker 2: of greatness. But it almost felt like that was an
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  Speaker 2: extension of it. Yep, Okay, so now it's like Marquis,
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  Speaker 2: it's almost in a way, his greatness extends through all
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  Speaker 2: of the fifty years, fifty five years of Steelers dominance.
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  Speaker 2: He's yeah, he's in that pantheon. I thought that was
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  Speaker 2: kind of cool. I don't know, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that happens in other sports. I can't see another in
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  Speaker 2: other franchise. I doubt it because of because of like
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  Speaker 2: you said, these fields are the same fields. All of
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  Speaker 2: this stuff. We talk about the little advantages coming out
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  Speaker 2: her to camp, but the little, the little parts of
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  Speaker 2: the history that all come together and form this greatness
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  Speaker 2: that all the little pieces of pie. That's one of them.
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  Speaker 2: That that the players I think respect and are and
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  Speaker 2: are really truly respect what came before and are thrilled
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  Speaker 2: to be a part of that.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think you're absolutely right. I think there's very
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  Speaker 3: few teams who can who can make that. I think
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  Speaker 3: there's only actually only one other team that could probably
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  Speaker 3: make the statement that the Steelers, like the Steel Curtain
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  Speaker 3: of the seventies, like where you actually get that kind
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  Speaker 3: of blessing from a group. I would say San Francisco
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  Speaker 3: is probably the next closest Green Bay.
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  Speaker 2: You have to go back to that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm about to say those guys, those guys are
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  Speaker 3: in walkers and wheelchairs, and I don't try to go
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  Speaker 3: to practice that often.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, are you're right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So I think I think, yeah, it would have to
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  Speaker 3: be that eighties era San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: It might be it early Dallas, but they're so they're
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  Speaker 2: so cocky. I don't everybody can play with I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the history of your organization is impressive. It's the Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's the mistique.
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  Speaker 3: But I think when you have those kind of four
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  Speaker 3: and ten, two and two and or it was what
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  Speaker 3: three and four I think was for the three people
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  Speaker 3: for or the three Super bowls for Dallas in the nineties, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: back to back and then they had a year off
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  Speaker 3: and that they went something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But if you have like kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Those snapshots where you could say, okay, definitive five to
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  Speaker 3: ten year spam like this was a group, that's where
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  Speaker 3: those dynasties come in. But contemporaries, Yeah, you gotta wait
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  Speaker 3: twenty thirty years, yeah before that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, are they gonna look back at the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: and it's going to be mostly Tom Brady? Yeah? You see,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Tom, You could have played
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  Speaker 2: with me.
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  Speaker 3: Anybody could play with me as long as you can
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  Speaker 3: catch a football.
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  Speaker 2: I did, but I told you to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, as long as you do you have two ears,
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  Speaker 3: you know how to listen, all right, you could have
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  Speaker 3: played with us.
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  Speaker 2: I just think that. I think it's a wonderful part
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  Speaker 2: of it. And this training camp it's a little sad,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it's I mean, you know, everybody,
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  Speaker 2: there's some you know, groaning, you gotta come up to
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  Speaker 2: La Trob, but it's far away. I wanted one more fight.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted one more fight, Rob. We didn't get one
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  Speaker 2: more fight, were you?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: I was happy about that fight yesterday. Land Yeah, Oh
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  Speaker 2: my gosh. It was because it was right here in
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  Speaker 2: the corner of the of the of the end zone. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so it was up close to person. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about that. We're going to talk about what a
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Landon Roberts might bring to the team. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about how this is a little bit more of
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: a prep week for the Jets. It doesn't just go
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  Speaker 2: out there next to what we're doing, not worry about
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  Speaker 2: anybody else, although that's obviously a big part of football.
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  Speaker 2: So we have some things to certainly discuss. Is Training
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  Speaker 2: camp breaks up today, a day earlier than expected here
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  Speaker 2: And welcome back in the locker room. As we're looking
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  Speaker 2: at the empty fields of the trope, the Trope five hundred,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get to that underway. Guys, you're scooting out of here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: It was the last second scrambled too, so so we
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  Speaker 3: didn't get the full pole position lineup because all the
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  Speaker 3: moving trucks are over there. Kind of they're scrambling to
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  Speaker 3: southid because they still got a practice right on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 3: get it down to the south side.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: I think you're doing a walkthrough today. I think you're
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: doing a walk through today in a practice tomorrow. I believe.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I know they're off tomorrow. The uh off off tomorrow?
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: And what is practice? It day's Monday. Oh yeah, I'm sorry,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I did the same walk through tuesday, full
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: practice wedding zeries. It the other way around. They're off
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: tomorrow and Wednesdays to practice. Okay, all right, thank you.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I got confused to I thought today was Tuesday to
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: so yeah, now today's Monday.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: They'll be off tomorrow and then Wednesday they will do practice.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Thursday will be the pre the pre Saturday style practice pregame,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: and then play Friday.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: So little camp scuffle yesterday. So let me ask you
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: a question. Yes, when you are so, you know, you
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: always hear, well, these guys are getting tired of hitting
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: each other. They want to they want to go for
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: real and and you know you're tired and you get
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: a little ornery when you got into camp scuffle. Did
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: you get in a couple of camp scuffles? I don't
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: know what you're talking about, Okay, So would it be
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and and I can only think of two real categories.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Something that built over the course of camp. I don't
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: like what he's doing. He did it again. You tell
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: him to stop, he says something, and it builds and
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: then pretty soon you gotta go right, yes, is that
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: a pretty good scenario?
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: So that that that is the that is the ant
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: hill approach, okay, right, leave it alone, just keeps building
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: building buildings, you know, I don't exterminate it, and you
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: get the anhill approach.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: And sometimes it's just you do the wrong thing at
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: the wrong moment, and it's a snap judgment reaction. You
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: black out for a couple of seconds. They're like, wh
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: w what are we doing?
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: So what what do you think is the more common?
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Oh the more the more common is the blackout, not
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: the ant hill. Now the ant hill if they were hitting.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: More like it's a cumulative trauma effect with the ant hill, right,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: you know. And I'm sure you could probably get some
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: I'm sure I can go down there and find an
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: excuse if I was practicing to get pissed off over
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: time at somebody. But you know, the ant hill is like, man,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: we've been hitting, you're starting to read the plays and
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: we're trying to get work out here, but you're cheating
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: the system and you're doing it consiststly. That's the ant Hills,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: a build up. I'll never forget. We were in season.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: We were in season on the south side. This was
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: my rookie year, and there have been some scuffles, like
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: like Hoky Bro was always in the middle of the scruff.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I know, everybody sees the nice, you know, slimmer, very
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: clean shaven face, very put together, very proper talking Chris
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Hokey that they see on the television game day broadcasts
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: for his for the station. He's on Hokey Bro down
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: here in Trent, absolute ahole.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was never quit.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: A little extra stuff, a little extra shove at the end,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: a little extra pursuit, just doing stuff. And this was
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: the longest, this is the biggest an hill because Keethrick
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Vincent had been pissed like all camp and we did
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: it with Chris, with Hoch, with Hokey in general. And
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: we got to enough fights on the goal line and
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: at one on one pass rush and everything else.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: But Keidrick and Hoki never fought.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: It was just yelling mad at each other and everything.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: And we're we're on the south side and we're doing
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: inside run drill and so first team starts because Kedrick
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: starts starting right guard because Kendall was out that year.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Keydrick and Hoky we go through and they're carded plays
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: for the defense. Right they put the cards up. Showsn't
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: where they're supposed to do what they're supposed to do, right,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: So we make a play call and run the play
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: and Hoky like cut Keydrick off, like this is like
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: it wasn't the full like like pad clapping moment, like
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: this is more of what kind of look they do
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: out here, right, it's more thud tempo. I'm trying to
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: get my reads, I'm trying to hit my landmarks, and
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Hoki just blows the play up. Coward gets pissed. BC's
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: like rolling again, you.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Know as a mattic Keydrick not at Hoky.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: He's yeah, he's mad, he's mad. He's mad the play
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: didn't work. He's not yelling at anybody specifically.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: But Keydrick knows why.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: So now he's pissed at Hoky and so and we're
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: running the same exact place. So the one thing you
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: don't do, Cardinals sit against our defense back of the day,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: run the same play twice because they are inevitably going
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: to jump the play. It's gonna happen, So go to play.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: You hear chirping between Keydrick and Hoki. I'm sitting right
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: behind coach Kauer on the offensive side.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Play called debt.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Play gets called boom, Hoky knife' the a gap like shoot,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: he's gonna get a hand on him. Hoky is in
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: the backfield, double tapping the running back right as he
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: gets the ball. Play is gun. Keydrick just comes marching over,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: grabs Hokey by the face mask. Womb womb boom.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: That's it. It was a coach Cowers.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I can't use the exact english, and I'll let you
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: feel it yourself. He was, hey, ooh dang, like it
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: happened that fast, like Coach Cower couldn't even react to
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: break it up.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: And it was done.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: And that was the ant Hill getting obliterated because he
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: had been saving as his training camp and all his
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: emotions and we're just all like in pause, like what
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: just happened here?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: It was crazy? So those things do happen.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: But the blackout like hey you grabbed my face mask,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Hey you shoved me, you held me, spun me around,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: threw me off late or tried to knock me over
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: the pile.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Those are more blackout, quick one hitters. So a landon
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Roberts yesterday was quick, blackout, one hitter quick. But because
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: you just got here, there's no answer.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: But a landing is measured that he's going to do
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: it and he time he gets a chance to.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: So he's one of the guys.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: He doesn't need an ant hill because he's like he's like,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: he's like, he's like, my house is built underneath the ground.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just a wait to come out.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I could pop up here, I could pop up over there. Well,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: you say, he's just wired that way to be that type.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: He's that type of physical leader where he's going to
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: get the temperature up if things are lagging, he's gonna
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: he's gonna be a catalyst. He's going to be a
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: difference maker. And I love it. I love it because
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I think that's you need that guy. You've got to
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: have that guy. I had that guy. And Joey porter
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Pease was that and he was pleasy, was even more
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: vocal than the land of is right, And then James
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: was that guy.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Clark was that guy, you know, and then Foot was
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: that guy.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: We had those different guys and then Hines is just
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: is just gonna smile at you, but he's he's he's
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: going to be giving you the fifth. Allen was that
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: kind of guy, you know, And I think when you
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: have all those kind of guys that just brings the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: team together. It shows that it brings out the competitive juices,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: even without having to tell somebody, I need you to
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: be more competitive.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: You see that situation, it triggers you.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Good batter and different is gonna trigger you, and it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: gonna get everybody else involved.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the kind of guy you want on your team,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: although not necessarily the guy you went to practice against.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe not the whole practice, right, not the whole practice,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: but you need.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Him because you want to see what some guys are like.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Like I remember Forget when he hit fields a couple
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: of years ago in practice and he said, I just
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: want to see how the young offensive line were because
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: we have you know, we took three linemen of Troy, Troy,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Zach and Mason and they came there in a hurry. Yeah,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: the Krunk Brothers came really fast. They looked like the
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Bushwhackers and they came out of old w W F.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: With they announced that they I was here for that
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: one last year. I remember that one, and yes, that's
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: exactly what happened. They arrived in a hurry. And that's good, Right,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: that's what you want. You don't want your young guys
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: to be intimidated. You want you don't want your young
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: guys being worried. You want your young guys protecting their quarterback. Yeah,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: you want to see what what are you made of? Like,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? That was two years ago,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: by the way, Yeah, it's crazy to think, right, Yes, yeah,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: that was two years ago, not last year.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, two years ago because because he played for Patrick
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Graham last year for the Oakland.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Raids, right, and because oh god, I said Oakland Raiders
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: guys Aaron Rodgers this year? Yes, yes, correct, it was
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: not justin field. Yeah, he was in game one. The
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: other one was at the Giants. And we'll get to
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: the Jets in a little bit. But uh yeah, so
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: so can he that can help that element that Now,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: first of all, he's got to make the team, right
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: he does. But you have to imagine, I mean, you
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: bring the guy this late who already knows Patrick Graham's defense. Yeah,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: but you know, so I'm and there was no injury.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I'm right. I'm of two minds when you see a
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Ray Shawn Jenkins or an a Land and Roberts come here,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: veteran guys who've got a really good resume, and the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: first mind is, wow, it's great. They wouldn't assigned here.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: They didn't have a chance to really good chance to
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: make the roster. The second bit is why did anybody
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: else sign him? I think that's a fair question. It's
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: a fair question. Yeah.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: I think familiarity at this point when you're an older
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: guy matters for a lot of those intents and purposes,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: because a lot of teams have the young guys that
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: they're trying to figure out if they're going to be in,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: and a lot of teams don't want to risk getting
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: the guaranteed salary for the year with a veteran of
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: that age, so they wait till week two and bring
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: a guy.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: In, right.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: So that's another reason they're playing that game right now.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: It's the leverage and guaranteed versus non guaranteed money game.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: You know, one of the things as unless you are
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: just a fan who I guess writes down every player
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: in the NFL I think a lot of us don't
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: don't even know when those guys are available at the
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: week two pickups hap and you're like, oh, I didn't
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: feel that I was still out there. Surely somebody was
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: employing him. And those guys can usually have a I
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: mean it varies. Some of them have a good effect
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: in the team, some don't. But you know, for the team,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: like you said, you're not then quote unquote stuck with
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: that contract when you sign them earlier and they make
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: your roster out of camp. Yeah, you're not stuck with it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: You can't.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: It's more easy to move that guy up and down
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: the roster where you sign in week two because it's
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: technically you're like on a week to week basis, so
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: you can cut, re sign on waivers, elevate on Saturday,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: play on Sunday, cut, You can do all that up
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: and down that you want, and gives you additional flexibility
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: when they're not under guaranteed Paragraph five salary after week
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: one because if you're on the roster week one going
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: into the game, complete the game, you're on the FIG
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: three menter roster as a veteran invested of over three
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: plus years.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Salary is guaranteed for the year. Do you know again,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: this is another one of those player things, like I
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: think that the NFL can can humble a lot of guys,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of guys, you know, you think about you know,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: most players who were in the NFL were absolute superstars
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: in high school, just nobody could touch. Then they were
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: stars in college. They were the best players in their team.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: They're getting an attention. Now they get to the NFL.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: We've gone from superstar to star, and now they understand
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: there's a fighting component to get on the field. What
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: do you mean special teams. I haven't done special teams
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: since pee wee. You know, I mean, you know, so
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: special one. Yes, So, I mean there's all of these.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: And then, like you said, you're around the Steelers players
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: and so maybe if you're not an historian and you
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: begin to understand how hard the game is, maybe in
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: year two or three you look up and you're like,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: whoa man, these guys are. Guys have bronze bus, these
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: guys won super Bowls. I understand now how hard it is.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: It's got to be humbling for a for a player
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: to have carved out a solid NFL career for themselves
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: and be fighting to be active on a Saturday, right
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: to be to signy. We're looking at Odell Beckham's trying
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: to make a team. Yeah, you're trying to make a team.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: You know, you're Odell Beckham.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're obj right, you're supposed to be You're supposed
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: to be able to supposed to be able to make
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: a team walking in. But no, I mean it is
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: a very top You're talking about the top half percent
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: of football players that ever played the game. Amaze at
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: the pro level right that. And then when you sit
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: back and look and I think we're right at maybe
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: one hundred plus year history of this of this league.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Ten thousand people on this earth at one time or
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: another played professional football.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: That's it. In a century. It's wild, wild to think
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: about how it is.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: And I think, guys, when you're going through the process,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: and you're you're going through, you don't really look back
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: and see those type of things, right because your eyes
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: are always for you got the blinders on right like
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: a plow horse, and you're just like, no, no, this
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: is me and I expect to be this and dah
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: da da da, But you don't look at your left
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: right realize, man, what started is a ten thousand person
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: and race. You know, our hundreds of thousands from high school,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: you know, turned into thousands by the time you got
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: to college, turns down to a couple of hundred by
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: the time you get to the pros. And then after that,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: half of that's already gone after your first year, if
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: you do even make it in the pros. Right, So
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: you're talking about only about eighty or so guys a
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: year that are rookies that actually make it beyond year one.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: That's incredible. And you know, I think that for a player,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: most players, maybe at the end of their career, if
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: they've had a good, long career, get a different perspective
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: maybe when something happens too throughout the course of their career.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: And again I'm painting with a very broad brush. There
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: are probably rookies that have a great perspective on what
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: this all means, but they're probably most rookies don't because
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: you have to have the blinders on. Yeah, my own
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: personal name for it is a swirl, right. They're they're
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: in there in a pocket and things are swirling around
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: in that pocket, but they're still in a pocket. They're
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: moving through life in a pocket and everybody else is
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: outside of that pocket until one day you're no longer playing,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: which for ninety nine percent of the people who are
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: no longer playing, it's because nobody wants you to play.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: It's the rare person like Aaron Rodgers after this year,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: who can say I don't want to play anymore. I'm finished.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Most of almost everybody who no longer plays professional sports
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: plays because they're not good enough. That's it their career.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Nobody wants them and show stuff. Yeah, and then you
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: have to hear that and think about that, and then
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: suddenly your perspective and your life changes, and you have
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to learn how to rent your own car and you know,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: create your own get out, you know, get your own
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: plane tickets, and figure out a lot of things in
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: life you never had to figure out. And so you
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: gain that perspective. But I do think I do wonder
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: if these guys that you know, all of a sudden,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: now you're a week two guy and you're you're on
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and off the rosters, and you know, you're thinking about
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: the contracts maybe you've signed in the past, and it's
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: a it's a different perspective on life.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's a sobering as a sobering effect and you
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: can take and kind of take stock you. Obviously you
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: don't full review because you still got a future in
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: front of you if you're competing for a job, but
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: you do say, dang, I made it a far away
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: right and you won't fully appreciate it till you are done.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Is that is that when you fully appreciate it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, after the depression and getting mourning the death
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: of that part of me, because it is it is
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: a death, and you do go through a grief process.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to sit here and lie,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: but I think you know, we're now in a society
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: where you can talk.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: About mental health more openly. But it is a tough blow.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: It is a tough blow to.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Lose that identity of yourself and to want it but
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: not be able to be wanted. It is a very
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: big thing when you haven't been told no ah lot
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: in your life. Professionally, you've always been good enough, You've
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: always been you know, asked to do things, and then
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: that literally shuts off and it's a different world that
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: you're exposed to, and you hear the questions, man, you
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: look like you still play in your head.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: You're like darn right, I wish I was still playing,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: wish they would employ me the first couple of years,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: you know, And I remember like going and watching games,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: sitting at the sports bar, you know, and watching all
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: of that, and just like, man, I used to be
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: that guy.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: But it's also it's a part of life. You have
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: to go through that as you change careers, you pivot
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: in life. You have to understand, man, I got to
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: do something that not a lot of people in this
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: world got to do, to do it for the length
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: of time that I did, I need to be thankful
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: for the opportunity, not regretting what I didn't do right,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: because I can't change other people's opinions about me. I
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: could only be the best person I can be in
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: that moment. And and just to circle back to the trope,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: I think most people that I talked to who are
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: former athletes. Of course I work with a lot of
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: former athletes, I think a lot of a lot of
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: what has missed. I mean, certainly the game, and I
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: think probably the adulation.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: There are things that are missed. But I think I
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: think a lot of guys would just say that camaraderie,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: that feeling of being part of the team is the
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: first show in the locker room. Yeah, that's what That's
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: what players missed the most. Yeah, yep, that's what they
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: missed the most. Yep. Okay, We're going to take a
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: break as we wrap things up in the trope from
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: various different angles and begin to look forward to the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: game against the Jets. A lot going on with the
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: team and they're gonna be game planning, So what does
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: that look like. We're going to be talking about that,
• 34:40
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  Speaker 2: And the conversation continues here from Saint Vincent. Our conversation
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: never stops. No, we were what have we hit it there?
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: What we commercial break doesn't matter? Talked about Yeah, it's
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: it is a difficult transition for the players. And then
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: we moved somehow we pivoted from that to the new Reachers.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Well, we were talking about television series and would you
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: rewatch a television.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Oh you okay, So let's okay, here's let's rewind here.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: So we're talking about, you know, when a when a
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: player's career is over. And I'm glad you brought up
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the whole mental health thing cause I think it's really true.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: So it was like the analogy I was using during
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: your break was like, you know, you're on the north
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: side of the wall, John Starks lowering the gate behind you.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: You're on the other side of the wall and Game
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: of Thrones, and like you said, it's you and the
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Wildlings and that's it, and the White Walkers and everybody,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: all your friends are on the other side of that
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty foot high wall, and you might
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: as well, in some ways not even exist. And so
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: you have to rethink your identity and all I mean again,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get too deep here, but it's
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: it's it's emotionally tough for players, and I'm glad you
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: brought up that point. And then I asked you if
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: you ever rewatched series. I would like to rewatch Game
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: of Thrones. Yes, I've never done. I started to do
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: it and then I stopped. Same with Justified, maybe my
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: favorite show of all time. I started to watch and
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: then stopped, and then and then we started. Then you
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: said you just did that with the Reacher. Yeah, I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: just did. Reach.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: I watched a little bit of last season to get
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: ready for this season, and I'm always like that, Like
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I won't go back to season one necessarily, but I
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: will go back a couple of episodes just to get
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: myself re in data as I'm watching the current season
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: or something. Walking Dad's probably the only one I think
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: that I went back from the beginning and watched.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: So I've had a couple of a couple of shows
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: with my wife, well, she was watching mad Men. So
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: most of my most of my adult life, I've worked nights,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: and for most of that time, a lot of that
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: time TV shows weren't available to stream. You either watched it,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: or you didn't. So people say, did you see the
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: new Ver? Did you see the new Seinfeld? No? I
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: was working. You know, the Penguins had a game or
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: whatever exactly, you know the Pirates had a game. No,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I didn't see that. So I missed a lot of tea.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: So now I'm going back these shows that you can stream,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going back and catch and watching some of them.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: So this is not uncommon. My wife was She's like, hey,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: she showed U and so she loved mad Men. But
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: again that was that was when I was still working
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of nights and and so you know, she said, hey,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: you want to watch the show Suits? And uh, I said, okay.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: So I watched the first episode and I was I'm like,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: let me think about that. Do I want to watch
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: that again? Or And then about a week later, I
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I'll watch episode two, said Rob. I'm
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: halfway through season two, so now I'm done. Yeah, missed it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: But what was the show your suit? What was the
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: show you're just talking about?
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: What I said? Yeah? I said walking Dead? Walking Dead?
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: So I never my family was way down the Walking
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Dead road, and I tried to watch a little bit.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I saw a little bit of Daryl and Carroll and
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: yeah and all the other stuff and Carroll.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: But but I so, I I think I had a
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: little bit of an idea of what was going on.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Heines Ward was an extra in one I happened. I
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: happened to see that one. I happen to see that lot.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I was home, I was home, my family was watched.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I'm like, wait a minute, that's Heines Warren and so
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: we're you out it and and it was it was
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Heines word as a zombie. Yeah, it was off because
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: they were filming in Atlanta. Yeah.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: So, and Hines lives in Atlanta in the off season,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: so he you know, he's a popular character.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: So he got in it. But but I got And
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: here's the funny thing. I liked it so much. I
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: used to read the graphic novels.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: So I read the first one hundred and fifty episodes
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: before Walking Down even became a show. Ah, so I
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: was already hooked. And I and then you start reading
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: the graphic novels and you're doing it. Was I mean,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: just like you do a Game of Thrones, right, Song
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: of Ice and Fire?
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah you would, you would.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh, dude, I've been reading this, yes, and
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: now there's a movie or a show depiction of what
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: I'm what I've read and doesn't match up, does it not?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Obviously?
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I mean Harry Potter, similar type of adaptations where you
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: could see it and understand it from that perspective. But yeah,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: so Walking Day was the only one I actually went
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: back to the beginning, watched it again and watch like
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: the first three seasons just because I enjoyed it that much,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: and it was like one of those nostalgic moments. And
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I have some other shows that I would probably do,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: just haven't done, like X I was a huge X
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Files fan.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Wife loved X Files. I have I number of those,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: but E three DVD I really had. I have the
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: whole box set, twenty four. I was a big fan
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: of twenty Oh love twenty four. You got me late
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: on twenty four. I thought that was it. That's one
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: of my all time favorites. But we got talking about
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: this because Reacher was shot in Pittsburgh.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the movie Reacher, the movie Reacher with the Tom Cruise,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Tom Cruise, right, yea, which I think.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: You did two of them, but the first one was
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: shot in Pitts. The first one was shot in Pittsburgh.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I don't remember the second one. Yeah, I don't remember either,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: but it was clearly Pittsburgh. But I was downtown along
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the river Walk and stuff like that, so you.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Had a chance going through the tunnels, like there was
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: a racing in the tunnels and yeah, and then sitting
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: there ri Ip Pizza Parma, who used to be on
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the corner of Ninth and Ah where he did the
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: bust of where he got out the car. The car
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: kept rolling and he sat up on the bus stop.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I got on the bus and when the opposite direction
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: when they were trying to chase him.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, literally at the corner where I used to live. See.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I love when the movie that they they made with
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I was Will Smith The Doctor Kimra the Concussion Concussion. Yeah,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: that was film that was filmed here. You could see
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: little parts of my Ah, that's I know where that
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: neighborhood is, Vinces was done here Fnceshen. Oh my god,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: that was I thought that was the best picture of
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the year shot. I thought that was unbelievable. Perks of
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: being a wallflower. Yeah, a movie I really enjoy that
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: was shot a lot. It's fun to see the Burg
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Wonder Boys shot at Pittsburgh's that that's it's fun to
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: see what Yeah, I can't. Oh man, it's like out
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: of the furnace or no, no, no, no, that's it.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: That's it. That's a book. I know exactly what you mean.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: He's a he's a he's a steel worker though. Yeah,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: he's a steel worker. Yeah. And of course sudden death.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Of course Jean Claude Vandam his finest. So I I
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: watched that movie because it was brought to my attention.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: So I watched that movie before Jay Cawfield became my
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: my my host for the Penguins games, and I was like, oh,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: he was menacing that movie, that movie. And then it
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: was hard for me to look at uh at the
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Penguin mascot again the same way because he had his
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: ear sowt off and he was like shooting people. Looks
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: up and like, whoa man, that's so uh. Anyway, so
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: we we've we've come far, Afield Max.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: We had a point. We had there was a point
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: in there somewhere. Okay, so let's get to the point,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: which is the New York Jets. Uh, just quickly before
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: we get into uh breaking down the Jets a little
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: bit and looking forward to the game and what the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Steelers are gonna do and what we expect out of
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the Steelers. Is it a little different? Is it a
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: little bit of a mini game plan? Because Mike McCarthy
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: talked about still installing his last install. His eighth install
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: was yesterday during practice. Now you lose a day of
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: practice today, but you're trying to get something of a
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: game plan, right, So I'm assuming that means more of
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: the regulars will probably play a little health baring health
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit deeper into the game. Is it a
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: mini game plan? Usually in your experience in the past,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: there's no time for a full blown game plan. Is
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: there for going against the Jet ri Is it a
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: full blown think?
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I think you have the ability because you've installed everything. Okay,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: you have the ability to, but I think you do
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: try and do more sophisticated things. It's not the full right,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I'm giving you a three safety weird type of blitz.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not doing overloads or any of that type of stuff.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Defensively and offensively. I'm not running multiple motions to get
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: into like these intricate kind of RPO complex system plays
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: they're not doing that, but they will scheme for what
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: their defense and offense does base wise and will combat
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: what they've shown on film already, So that will be
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: more of a game plan.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have to do some of that stuff right, Max,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: because if people talk about keeping it vanilla, but you've
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: got to do a little bit of what you do.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Listen, Coaches talk before these games. Okay, news flash, they communicate.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Guess what Matt Lafleur talk to talk to Mike McCarthy
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: when he got the job in Green Bay. You don't
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: think they didn't talk after that when he was a
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: consultant last year and now coming into this. Just like
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: you would do for joint practices, coaches talk, Hey, what
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: are we trying to get accounts?
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: What do you need to get done? What do I
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: need to get done?
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Let's see what can we do to make this beneficial
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: to both of us. Same thing in the preseason game. Hey,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I would love to get into a two minute dro Hey,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: I would love to do a little bit more eleven
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: personnel versus twelve personnel. First half is going to be eleven. Second,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: it's going to be twelve. Your guys, are you needing
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: base and sub stuff. I need the same thing. Let's
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: try and make it work right, And it's not like,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: oh my god, it's a trade secret. I'm not speaking
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: to you and I'm just trying to win the game
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: because the game doesn't count, right. I need to see
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: tangible things I can use to grade on whether I
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: keep a guy or whether I cut a guy. And
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: I need data points so that they talk about that. Hey,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: how long do you think your starters are going? Here's
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: how long I want to do my starters. Okay, how
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: are we gonna match this? Okay? They have a rough
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: game plan. They're not giving each other their playbook, but
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: they're talking about situations that they want to see, Situations
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: they'd like to create. Can you give me something here?
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: If I line up in this personnel, can you do
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: something off of this? Show me what it looks like
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: if you're gonna overload one side, Show me what it
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: looks like just to run a basic twist. My guys
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: need to see it because I got to evaluate there.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: They're gonna help each other out in those perspectives.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: You know, I saw one of the and I'm not
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: gonna name the coaches back when we were doing high
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: school football. Wolf and I were doing the play by
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: play together and we Craig McConnell, who's now over Katie
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: k was the was the guy coordinating that did an
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: incredible job of our high school coverage. You know, I
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: had coaches miked up and all the other things. Well
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: we had we had two veteran coaches and one team's
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: one coach's team was not having a very good year
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: and they were getting beaten badly. At halftime, he went
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: over to the other coach and said, listen, I gotta
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: play my first teamers for just a couple of series
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of the second half. In other words,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to fight my way back in against
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: your second team guys. I'm just letting you know what
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to do. You do what you want to do,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: But I got to get my guys some more time,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: because if you don't have that communication. Now, the coach
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: on the other side going, what's he doing? Man, I
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: got my second team in there, and he's you know,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: my kids could get hurt or a lot of different
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: things could happen. So I just thought I remember seeing that,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: and I was like, that is you know, it's not
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: the coach that's leading going to the other coaches. The
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: coach is trailing saying this is what I'm gonna do.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: You react accordingly, But I'm not you know, this isn't me,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to hurt anybody. I just got to
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: get my guys some more work. They you know, they
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: get so. Yeah, the fact that these kind of communications
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: happen around the sport it really kind of cool. It
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: is cool.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: And also, at the end of the day, everybody's trying
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: to get a good evaluation on their guys. And at
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, that's what it's because you're
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out how am I going to plan
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: my team?
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: How am I going to.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Get this group of guys ready for a season? And
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: you're doing the same evaluation process that I'm doing. So
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: how can we help each other in this? This isn't
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: like it's not you're going to the Bengals or the
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Ravens or the Browns and asking for this right trade
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: secret division.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: We're not gonna We're not going to see the Green
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Bay Packers. They played all these teams last year. Yeah,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: like last year.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: So it's like, let's try and help each other out.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: And we've done joints with teams, So I mean, you know,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: it's like there's there's a bigger issue at play when
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: it starts account then okay, all bets are off right
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Week one, Atlanta Falcons.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking to you about what my personnel groupings are, right,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: But if.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I'm talking to Green Bay, if I'm talking and for
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy, you have a relationship with him out side
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: of us just playing against each other, right, right, So
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: I think that's where you kind of go and say,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: all right, we can do this. This is something that
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: we're going to work on, and we have a good communication,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: good claim, physical game. Nobody cares what scores at the
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: end of the day. But did I get enough good
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: tape out there to evaluate evenly as I get closer
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: to the cut process.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to look at who we're going
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: to be looking at. Take a look at that also,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Who did Who's Max been impressed by the brain's coming?
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  Speaker 2: Who has Max been impressed by in camp thus far?
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  Speaker 2: For the students, who are the guys that need to
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  Speaker 2: step forward in this second preseason game. What is the
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff looking for most in this second preseason game,
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  Speaker 2: all that more coming up in the locker room here
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  Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network.