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Session 3- Philippians- Dan Viner Autumn Bible School 25 · Woodlands Church Academy's Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_08: So um as I said we we're starting on a um we we were going to be looking at um sort of that third chunk of Philippians finishing next week.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_08: Um but um one thing we really like to to have as a as a practice here is just reading the Bible in community together.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_08: That's something um that we're really really keen on at Bible School.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_08: That's why we're doing this.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_08: So uh throughout the evening we will be kind of having some discussion, some some questions, some some backwards and forwards to kind of maybe prepare to do some thinking and to do some chatting with the people around you.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_08: Um for those of us uh who were here last week, how do we how do we find it?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_08: Good, you know, a bit confusing, you know, lots of stuff going on.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_08: Any any perspectives on last week?
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_08: Anything that you found useful, interesting, thought-provoking?
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: I liked your continued positivity, but there were more questions raised than answers sometimes.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_08: It's the Bible.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_08: But yeah, it's good.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_08: There's lots lots going on that um is sort of simple to kind of grasp, maybe, and then Jack, who has a PhD in theology, took us to some places that maybe were a little bit more confusing, but raised some questions that maybe need to be raised.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_08: Uh so that was really interesting as well.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_08: If you uh weren't here last week, uh do um go on the website, listen back.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_08: All the slides are there and there's recording of the talk as well.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_08: So do do that.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_08: But um, for those of you who who weren't here, um, as we've been said, we were looking at kind of a continued theme of joy, we were looking at uh at the gospel uh and the kind of yeah, the the way that um the gospel was um you know sort of being being portrayed.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_08: Um we looked at how um Paul sort of moved his obstacles um to opportunities, unity in the church, humility, and then we did do uh a bit of complex, complex theology that um you know it's all it's nice to do sometimes.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_08: So I wonder um before we begin, if anyone would be happy to read the first um passage that we're gonna be looking at today.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_08: It's uh Philippians 2, um 18 to 30.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_08: Would anyone be happy to read out loud?
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_08: Or we can split it up if need be.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_08: Anyone would be happy to read.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_08: Lovely, thank you.
• 2:12
  unknown: 18 to 30.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, this is 18 to 30, yeah, in Philippians chapter 2.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_03: So you two should be glad and rejoice with me.
• 2:20
  unknown: I hope in the Lord Jesus to send Tilbury to you soon, so that I also may be cheered when I receive news about you.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, sorry, that's sorry, I apologise.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_08: 12 to 30.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_08: There's a typo on my slide.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_08: Let's do 12 to 30.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_08: Sorry about that.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_03: Therefore, my dear friends, as your Lord obey, not only my presence, but now much more in my absence.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: Continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God's work for you to will to act according to good purpose.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_03: Do everything without complaining or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, children without thought, in a quick and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe as you hold out the word of life, in order that I may boast on the day of life, that I do not allow your day of birth.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: But even if I am being called out to the drink of it or the sacrifice and service coming in your faith, I'm glad and rejoice with all of you.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_03: So you too should be glad and rejoice with me.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_03: I hope in the Lord Jesus, to say, that I also may be cheered when I receive the news about it.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_03: And no one else like him who takes a genuine interest in your welfare for everyone that's their own interests and not those of Jesus Christ.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_03: But you know that Timothy has proved himself because as a son of his father, he is serving me in the work of God.
• 3:43
  unknown: I hope that will defend him.
• 3:44
  unknown: As soon as I see that can go with me.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm confident in the Lord that I myself will come to you.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_03: But I think it is necessary to send back to your appetite, my brother, fellow worker and fellow soldier, who's also your messenger.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_03: Who you said to take care of my knees.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_03: He belongs to all of you.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_03: And it's distressed because you heard he was ill.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_03: Indeed, he was ill, and almost died.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_03: But God have mercy on him, and not on him only, but also upon me to be so.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_08: Alright.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_08: So that's the first section we're going to be looking at.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_08: And um you might notice that it begins with a particular word, which is therefore.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_08: And if you've ever read the Bible before, if you ever see a therefore, you need to ask what it's therefore.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_08: Well done.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you very much.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_08: So we obviously read this in the light of what came before it.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_08: And so what we had um, you know, what we had last week, that's our context for what we're starting with here.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_08: Um, context is important in any passage, of course, but this literally begins with a in light of everything that you've just read, this stuff.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_08: So that is, you know, what we're what we're going to read is part of the same flow of thought as to what we've just read, which if you remember last week was this poem thing, this this little hymn, the Christ hymn that Jack took us through, this kind of weird, complex theological poem that, you know, maybe blows some categories is a bit challenging, but that's that's the context.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_08: In light of that, we're talking about this now.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_08: Remember um, those of you who were here last week, what Jack said about theology shapes action.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_08: How you perceive God, how you perceive your faith, how you perceive the creation around you, that's gonna shape what your actions are.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_08: And so how we interpret the theology behind what Paul is communicating in that Christ hymn is gonna directly influence how we follow Jesus, and that is work out our salvation, uh, which is in uh in that in that first verse.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_08: So I just want to kind of reiterate the the complexity of that poem, but highlight that the central thing in the heart of that poem, it's verses uh 6 to 11 in chapter 2, it's literally just the passage before.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_08: It's it's complex and there's lots going on, but it's got a particular structure, um, which in the in the sort of the words of the time is called a chiasm.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_08: It's basically like a mountain.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_08: You go all the way up, you know, A, B, C, D, D is you know, the pinnacle, and then you come down, C mirrors C, B mirrors B, D mirrors D.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_08: You know, you can imagine there's like a pinnacle verse which doesn't kind of reference anything else.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_08: And that um in this is uh in the sort of second half of verse 8.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_08: That's the kind of the focal point of this hymn.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_08: It's it's all about how Jesus' actions uh and his sacrifice lead to his ultimate glorification.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_08: The poem doesn't really focus on saving us or or dying for our sins.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_08: You know, we are actually not even mentioned in this kind of little early summation of the gospel, but it focuses instead on Jesus' actions and how ridiculous they were in that context of his glory, the place that he'd come from.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_08: He was, you know, he was in very nature God.
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  SPEAKER_08: That's where he starts.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_08: But then he became obedient to death, even death on the cross.
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  SPEAKER_08: Therefore, God exalted him to the highest place.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_08: And remember as well what um you know they that that kind of preeminence of God that Jack talked about last week, he you know, he is bigger than anything that we can imagine, because he is smaller than anything we can imagine, he is more humble, he is more great, he is more powerful.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_08: That is who Jesus is, yet he humbled himself.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, his ultimate sacrifice is what led to his ultimate uh glorification.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_08: And in the light of this, what do we do?
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_08: That's what that therefore is saying.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_08: Therefore, in the light of all of that stuff in that poem, what do we need to do?
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_08: Well, it's there in verse 12, we need to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_08: It's not about earning anything, but continuing on that path, living out our salvation.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_08: Now, there's obviously you know some words and some phrases in there that could you know need explaining, need unpacking.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_08: We are gonna do that.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_08: But first of all, I want to ask, what is it that salvation means?
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_08: Because if we're gonna try and work it out, if we're gonna try and you know do salvation, whatever that looks like, we are gonna need to know what salvation means.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_08: Does anyone feel kind of confident that they could give a one-sentence answer on what salvation is?
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_08: Just off the top of your head?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_08: I I probably couldn't myself before like looking into what would you say?
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was just saying, is it on your slide?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_08: It is, but this is there's different types of salvation here, and I think that's it.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_08: Salvation is a word that we maybe have all got, you know, got to, you know, we we could use it in a sentence, but actually what it practically means is not always fixed.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_08: So aren't we already saved?
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_08: Well, yes, we of course we are, but then there's also the Bible talks about you know sanctification, glorification.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_08: There's all these words connected to salvation, yeah, kind of being saved, that put different nuance on it.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_08: So just quickly, I mean it's up here on the screen, but salvation in the Bible is represented in three different ways, past, present, and future, and they're all connected to us being saved.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_08: And you know, it's it's a little bit confusing, but simply these three words you can see on the screen, justification, sanctification, and glorification, they are all different kinds of, I suppose different tenses maybe of salvation.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_08: You know, of course, you know, we're justified instantly because of Jesus' actions, we're saved from the penalty of sin.
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  SPEAKER_08: You know, what to an extent whatever happens, Jesus paid the penalty for sin, we don't have to pay it anymore.
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  SPEAKER_08: That's it, that's done.
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  SPEAKER_08: But then, you know, and that's in the past, but then in the present, we're sanctified.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_08: We're kind of being progressively saved, you know, kind of holified, made, you know, more like God.
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  SPEAKER_08: We're being saved from the power and the practice of sin in our daily lives.
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  SPEAKER_08: That's happening, you know, right now in anyone who who is a Christian.
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  SPEAKER_08: And then in the future, we're glorified.
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  SPEAKER_08: Glorification.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_08: Ultimately, we will be saved from the presence of sin in our lives at all, and we'll be brought into the present of God, and that's glory.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_08: And those are all related to salvation, of course, but they have different nuances.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_08: So, what is this section about here?
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_08: When when Paul says, work out your salvation with fear and trembling in verse 12, what's he saying?
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_08: Well, this is all about sanctification.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_08: This is all about that middle section, this this present reality.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_08: It's the process by which God continues to make us holy as we walk with him through our lives.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_08: It's God's continuing work in the believer who's already been justified, you've already been saved from the penalty of sin, but then you know, the day-by-day practical reality working out your salvation.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_08: And it's important that that is not working for your salvation.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_08: We're not doing you know the things we do in our Christian life in order to be saved.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_08: We are already saved, we've already been justified, we've been made right with God.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_08: But the this is the outworking of what God's already done.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_08: I know that's like a it's a bit of a nuance there, but I think it's important because it's easy, isn't it?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_08: You know, I mean, if you've been a believer for for more than 10 minutes, to think like, oh, I've got to do all this stuff in order to be saved, ultimately.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_08: And we might not say that out loud, but there's maybe something in us that we're trying to do good stuff in order to earn our place, in order to sort of feel better about ourselves, to earn God's love.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_08: And that's not what's happening here.
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  SPEAKER_08: It's the outworking of what God's already done in us.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_08: And so this workout, the the the the word there is an imperative verb.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_08: It's like a doing, you know, it's a command.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_08: It's about laboring at something, expending energy in the task.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_08: It elsewhere it's translated, uh produce or do or bring about.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_08: That's important because we are taking an active part in this sanctification process.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_08: It's practical.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_08: We partner with God to effect change in our lives.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_08: And that doesn't make us more saved or more loved by God by doing that, but it does have a direct impact on us in like a practical sense.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_08: If sanctification is about freeing us from the power of sin, then there's an implication there that we can reduce the power of sin in our lives through our effort in in conjunction with God and with the Spirit.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_08: It's it's got an impact on our ability to work with God, on God's, you know, the ability for us to be used by God.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_08: If you are not at all working for your salvation, working out your salvation, sorry, then God, it's harder for him to use you.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_08: Of course, he can use anyone, but if you're mired in in sin and not trying to get out, then it's gonna be harder for him to use you for his purposes.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_08: But it's important that we recognize that in in verse 13 it says that this is in combination with the actions of God.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_08: He's the one who's working with us to achieve his will.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_08: You know, that it is right now, it's happening in this moment.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_08: He's not doing it all for us, but he's not a passive actor either.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_08: He's active, he's constantly bringing about more spiritual maturity.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_08: He's he's not doing it for us, but he's supplying that kind of necessary empowering through the spirit.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_08: He both empowers our doing, which is a nice way that um one commentator I read uh said he empowers our doing, but also our willing behind the doing.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_08: He gives us the desire to want to do more, as well as giving us the energy, the impetus to do the things.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_08: And that's really important because we can't just strive on our own.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_08: We don't have you know the willpower, we don't have the energy, we don't have the capacity to just get through.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_08: But God's doing it with us, and we're not on our own in this process.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_08: So that's that's the salvation, that's the kind of you know, the that that that word salvation, that's what that's talking about.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_08: But what about fear and trembling?
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_08: The next little section.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I I don't know how you feel when you read this little phrase in your Bible.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_08: It makes me feel a bit uncomfortable because it kind of conjures up connotations of I don't know, maybe a side of Christian preaching that makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable, you know, like fire and brimstone, and you know, you must fear the Lord and you must tremble before him, and he's angry, and you're bad, and you know, if you don't do this, then hellfire will come down.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_08: And you know, like I'm sure we can all imagine that kind of sermon or or clip or or or talk that we've heard, which maybe evokes something about God that makes us feel a bit awkward or a bit uncomfortable.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_08: And that kind of phrase has often been used as a stick to beat other people, um, and I think it's important that we should acknowledge that the church sometimes has used this kind of terminology to oppress a bit and to and to put across its viewpoint to people who then maybe don't have a say in the matter about what they what they think.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_08: But I think it's important we get past that kind of first instinctive reaction, that emotional, emotional reaction.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_08: Because this is not really to do with fear, like uh being afraid.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_08: It's about it's more about like seriousness, complete and utter intent and focus.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know if you've ever you've ever held a newborn baby.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_08: Right, I've I've got a two-year-old.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_08: When I first held him when he was handed to me in the hospital room, I was just like, I was there was a fear there.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_08: You know, I was there was an awareness that this is the most utterly precious thing that has ever been handed to me.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_08: And I was really excited, of course.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_08: I was overjoyed, I was pretty tired, but like there was some fear and trembling in in holding that little boy who's so fragile and and so new and and and fresh, and I needed to do this right, I needed to behave correctly and appropriately.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_08: There was a fear and trembling that was there, but I wasn't afraid, but there was a respect and a reverence for the task at hand and for what that represented.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_08: That's kind of what's going on here.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_08: It's it's a it's also a link back to the Old Testament.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_08: I'm sure you've seen that phrase, the fear of the Lord, you know, through the Psalms, through through the Old Testament, through the through the Torah, the Proverbs, etc.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_08: That just popped up quite a lot.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_08: And again, that's not about being scared, but it's about respect.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_08: It's about you know having respect for God.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_08: It's it's tied to an awareness of his kind of ultimacy, his power, majesty, and holiness.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_08: You know, the fact that you know God is a bit dangerous.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_08: You know, not because he is, you know, an angry and violent and aggressive person, but by his nature.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_08: You know, we see a few times in the Old Testament someone enters his presence just by nature of him being so incredibly holy and other, like they can't handle it.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_08: You know, Moses falls on his face, you know, people go blind.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_08: Stuff happens just by nature of who God is.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_08: I wonder, you know, if you if you imagine like fire, you know, we don't need to be necessarily afraid of fire when we approach it with respect, but if you just try and stick your hand in it, then you're gonna get burnt.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_08: And it's that kind of thing.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_08: It's a you know, there's a reverence there, and we need to just understand the gravity and significance of God's power.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_08: It is, it's interesting to note that Paul's using this phrase, fear and trembling, in which, in a letter in which, you know, as we've already said, joy is the dominant emotion.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_08: This isn't a letter, you know, beating the Philippians over the head with a stick saying, You're all terrible, you should be afraid.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_08: That's interesting, you know.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_08: Joy is the dominant emotion, but you know, he's he's in he's recognizing the importance of respect within that.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_08: God's not a teddy bear or you know, a kindly grandad with a nice beard sat on an armchair waiting for you to just sit on his knee.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_08: He has some of those connotations of compassion and comfort, but we can't domesticate him.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_08: He is an all-powerful infinite being who's chosen to get to know us.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_08: Um I don't know if you've ever read the um the C.S.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_08: Lewis book, you know, the The Chronicles of Narnia.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_08: There's a really, really good quote, which is just at the bottom here, which is about the lion character, Aslan, who represents Jesus basically.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_08: And one of the other characters says, Well, someone says, Oh, is he a safe?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_08: Is he a tame lion?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_08: And this other character says, Well, who said anything about safe?
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_08: Of course he's not safe, but he is good.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_08: And I think that, yeah, well, I mean, the author was a was a Christian as an incredibly intelligent theologian, but that's kind of that sums up God, and it's obviously supposed to.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_08: God's not safe, but he's good, and we can trust that and we can rely on that.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_08: And so, how does that relate to us now?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_08: This fear and trembling, this fear of the Lord, which is maybe not something we talk about very often.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_08: It should really be the basis of everything we do as church.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_08: You know, in this room, in community on a Sunday, in our midweek groups, as we're going and you know, just interacting with other people from church.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_08: It's not just about going about churchy routines, but doing everything with that added weight of appreciation for the immense presence that we live with around us and inside us.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_08: Imagine if the king was just in the back of church every time we were there.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_08: We'd we'd act and and respond a little bit differently, maybe.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_08: I wonder, you know, I've done a bit of talking.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_08: Let's have a few moments to just discuss some of those things.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_08: You know, maybe you know, chat with the people around you.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_08: We'll have a few minutes to just think about what it might look like to work out your salvation?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_08: You know, does it you know fit for you right now?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_08: What does it look like?
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_08: Does it does it involve fear and trembling?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_08: And if not, why not?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_08: Is that you know an emotion that you feel?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_08: What does that sanctification, that holyfication process look like for you right now?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_08: And how does it feel that God's constantly working to make you more holy?
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_08: Maybe just pick one of those questions in you know, sort of twos and threes on the sofas, maybe where you are, we'll have a chat, uh, and then we'll come back and we'll feed back and we'll see where where everyone's got to.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_08: I'll put you on the spot, but you seem like you were having a good conversation.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: So I started by saying that um these days for me it's just talking to God as I'm going along in the street or whatever, and thinking I really am talking to the God who made the universe.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: And it was that fear and code and think, oh that's not powerful, but yeah, it's a kind of kind of thing about what about um what about you guys kind of over here in the middle?
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_08: What are you what were you talking about?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_13: Um, like I think that it's like an analogy that would say it's like a visual way to me.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_13: like step into the hallway.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_13: And then the process of sanctification is like walking through that hallway.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_13: And so we'll say that it's like this constant journey of like figuring things out and getting your fake shape.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_13: And then people talk about like the analogy of um metal like the fine metal and help through that process and how like that is and what I would say is that it's not just like constantly being dated.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_13: Like there's different ways and processes and um fluctuates and like how that process ends up with your to use your analogy like gold is gold whether it's got like impurities in it or not but it becomes like more gold as you remove some of those impurities and that's a tricky challenging process.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_08: I mean it's it's a good image it's it's biblical isn't it but that's a really interesting what you know what does it look like to remove those impurities is that a God thing do we do that ourselves so now we were talking in our group that you know you kind of look back maybe on where you were five ten fifteen years ago you know I like to think you know in my own case I'd I like to think that I'm a better person than I was 10 years ago.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_08: And that's a result of like decisions I've taken or things I've cut out or things I've invested in or people who've invested in me.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_08: But then that's equally God you know renewing my mind causing me to to think in different ways and causing me to align my goal and desires with him.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_08: And it's it's a collaborative process but I made the good point in our group it's sometimes difficult to find that balance between like earning salvation and and working out salvation.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: What about uh anyone over this sort of half of the room what were you guys what were you talking about maybe maybe at the back there I think it's a mind blowing thing to think because we were all brought up in the church but you know it's all like forgiveness and then that's can be quite a stumbling lot then it never seems to say it's you are working in progress it's all right you can mess up you know and it's not a quick fix at all really but it it takes time and I've all to be honest when I feel still like a very small child in some respect that's good isn't it because you might and uh in some ways you don't want to so but but you know that that the whole thing about you know this is a process it's a process for some of us I was just you know it's quite fixed and you do moves quite speedily some of us are quite slow but I think as long as you go in the right direction you know you've got God in your life and you're learning because it always sounds like we still learn things.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: You just don't stop learning that the Bible you know for me is like I get excited about the New Bible and that fact that's not the case.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: I remember when I was 21 my dad tried the new Bible I said I don't want it.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_04: You know so I I moved on to me from that really I love the Bible now because it comes alive to me but the time it's heading that's awesome I think every day God shows me new things and that's exciting that's so encouraging thanks that's wicked no I was just gonna say I'd like to say thank you for what you've said tonight because it has actually been an eye opener for me again when you're talking about what we've all grown up in it and that word fear I've come up I've grown up with fear and trembling trepidation in a growth it doesn't mean fear frighten and fear are two different things and what you said especially you were saying about the child analogy that has opened my eyes up to as to what that really means.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_04: So thank you I I feel I should say as well for what you said it's made a difference and it is God constantly working in you it doesn't matter how many years you've been in country how many what you've gone through you can learn every day.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_08: And I think oh thank you and I think it's interesting you sort of talk about that quick fix and in the one sense you know that's right you know it's we're all a progress it we're all in in progress it's it's a process but in another sense like we are already justified we start from a place of like no you guys are good and now it's just like you know who you are and your person and and your identity is just is just made even more amazing starting from a place of like you've you've got it all already.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_08: God's justified us there's nothing that you can do in that whole process to make God love you more to make you be more saved.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_08: So that is like that's the the ultimate start point is you start the you know you've already won and now it's like well and now we get to just enjoy the benefits of that victory that's been won already for us and we get to partner with God in that process and yeah of course we mess up.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_08: Of course sometimes we do need a bit of a kick and you say like you know you need some more trembling and fear rather than just God's a cuddly granddad but equally like that's never gonna make us lose that that salvation we've already got you know so so what does this look like then you know next for us what does it um what does it look like for us to kind of work this work this stuff out so Paul in the next passage he says you know do everything in verse 14 do everything without complaining without arguing you know I'm sure none of us need to reflect on that you know you can ask my wife I've literally never argued we we don't argue in our marriage we just have robust solution focused marital discourse um and you know that's just that's just the way we do it but I should point out I really am very bad at arguing I'm terrible I just I like being right I don't like being told that I'm wrong I like a certain way of doing things and I'm not afraid to express my opinions and that's yeah I'm working on that but what does it look like for us to to do everything without complaining or arguing I find that challenging I really I've done a lot of complaining today I found a slightly frustrating day at work there were some things that were a bit annoying it wasn't really anyone's fault but I did some complaining about it because it wasn't the way that it should be and that annoyed me and that impacted me more than I would like it to so what what is the flow of thought here how do we get to no complaining and no arguing how does all that stuff into Christ hymn and and you know working out our salvation how does that lead to this well it's important to reflect on what's going on God is doing he's going to work in us to act according to his good purpose so we have to do everything without complaining or arguing does that mean just getting on and keeping our mouths shut all the time just sort of doormatting ourselves or you know it what does that mean?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_08: It doesn't say try your hardest to do good works strive you know to to just achieve anything it's just about demonstrating a radically different way of life it's about humility again.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_08: You know we we touched on that in some of the previous weeks but remember who's Paul writing to he's writing to a church which is very likely being heavily persecuted and they're oppressed by a powerful civic apparatus that sees them as being in direct opposition to their their cult of the emperor their worship of the emperor Paul's not saying to them you know you know just just quiet quit just you know do the bare minimum you know pursue civil disobedience you know rise up and overthrow you know the imperial authorities what he's saying is to demonstrate humility just like Jesus when Jesus came people were expecting him to lead a military uprising that's what they thought the Messiah was in that culture.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_08: They thought he was going to overthrow the Romans they thought he was going to bring about you know the new Jerusalem there in their physical reality but he didn't he didn't complain and he was led like a lamb to the slaughter and we know that story from the gospels so we need to trust in God's provision and we need to trust that he can make every situation work for the good of those who believe and it goes beyond the beyond the external like just you know doing you know no complaints outside that kind of complaining grumbling phrase it refers to a sort of an under-the-breath muttering that's not really overheard but lives in your heart how often are we you know maybe we're quite good at just biting back a you know a complaint or a frustration but the next level is dealing with the complaint in your heart and let me tell you I'm I've got some complaints in my heart because I like things to do to be done a certain way what does it look like for that you know peace that humility to actually exist internally you know that's that's the next level we need to transform our internal life as well how often do we go about our lives with grumbling hearts with internal or external frustrations and how often do we air those complaints publicly gossiping about a friend or moaning about a co-worker or a thing in our work that's annoyed usn't just about doing the right thing this is about living out our identity as children of God.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_08: So do everything without complaining so that you may become blameless and pure children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_08: And why are we doing this like what's the end goal we want to shine like stars that's right there at the end of verse 15 we want to shine like stars in the universe as we hold out the word of life we need to be distinctive you know there's that phrase you're a city on a hill you know we we're something different in in every culture you know back then imperial culture they're worshiping the emperor the way that they treat people the way that they value life the way that they treat different classes of person that's incredibly different than what the church is offering and they needed to be humble and distinctive and you know today our culture and society is very different than the Roman culture but it's still very different to what the church is offering what is it like to be humble in a culture that is prideful, materialistic, achievement focused?
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_08: What is it like to be you know loving to people that are really annoying?
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_08: What is it like to venerate and stick up for a system that might not benefit us personally but is ultimately the right one that's what's different.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_08: We need to ask ourselves what could that humility joy forbearance and grace look like to the people around us in in a world that's obsessed with itself with more with better with self-gratification with you know just sucking the marrow out of life and not asking how we can give back there's a a passage in in in Peter's letters which says always have an answer when people ask you about the hope that you have and that's always stuck with me because he never says if someone asks you about the hope that you have make sure you've got an answer.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_08: He assumes people are going to ask isn't that interesting?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_08: He assumes that the people he's writing to are distinctive enough and visually and physically different enough that people are going to ask them what's going on and maybe that's maybe that happens to you maybe people come up to you and go, that hope that you've got where's that from are we hopeful in our lives are we exhibiting that hope that joy that Paul talks about in this letter it's not so that people think that we're great.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_08: It's not so that people go that person's really nice I love them what's going on there we're holding out the words of life that's what it says you know shine like stars as you hold out the word of life because that's the ultimate goal here.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_08: It's not enough just to live differently we need to be active in offering people that word in offering people the hope that we've got I've got a question.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah in the NIV the phrase children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation is in quotes.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_08: Is it in this transcript oh I because I'm I'm reading the NIV as well.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_08: Well it is in this interesting I didn't say why why is it quoted?
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_08: I was wondering why it was quoted.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting but the footnote says it's from Deuteronomy 32.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_08: There you go.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_08: So it might be a yeah it's a quotation from the Old Testament then cool good question.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah so that is a quote so Paul's obviously writing to a biblically literate culture he himself has probably memorized the the Old Testament more or less and so he's able to just throw it in but that is I guess speaking to that yeah the the conclusion of that Old Testament legacy that the Israelites had that is now being offered to everyone you know he's writing to non-Jews in in what is effectively Greece but he's treating them and referring to them as if they are the people of Israel because they are the new Israel as he says elsewhere that's interesting that's a good a good question.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_08: So to to bring it back to what we just referred to let's just have another quick discussion you know maybe just a couple of minutes as we examine our own lives do you feel that you shine like a star it's okay if the answer's no I don't know if I do very often but then who do you know that does what is it that's different about them that you know maybe you know a believer that you know someone from this church, someone you know from your community what's different about those people maybe ask yourselves that question in your groups and and then also ask are you holding out the words of life?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_08: What does that look like in your context and how might we get better at doing that?
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_08: Let's just take a few I think we all try not starts.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah cool.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_08: Can you explain what that means or like how how what what do you mean by when you say that?
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_05: I spent the time comparing myself with my mum and she's not a Christian she's completely opposite and it's just it's just so different.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah just outlook on life behaviour personality all that kind of stuff yeah it's interesting I think it's a really good point we we talked a little bit in our group about how I'm at wonder sometimes it's easy to it's easier to recognise it in other people sometimes that like they're all great you know my friend is awesome and I just feel a bit rubbish on the inside but it's a really good point to remember that we are we are changed and we are made new and we're constantly being made new and actually you know you look at someone who's not living in that way actually there can be quite a big distinction it's becoming a real purpose in my family at the moment from hospital and I'm I'm taking him off he's coming to my house.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_06: Oh I'm sorry to hear that well thank you for sharing appreciate your insight it's a great opportunity to become a Christian so that's awesome I wonder if we did can we just pray for that yeah yeah I mean just whilst we're here we might as well what's your dad's name my dad's name's Glenn I'm John Lynn Glenn yeah Glenn Father God we just pray for Glenn we pray for this opportunity that John's got to to maybe just hold out the words of life to him a little bit and I just pray that your hand would be over that over that relationship over that that closeness Father and Lord with that relationship with John's mum as well we don't know the ins and outs but you do and you you love her and you love him.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_11: I just pray for for some healing and for some breakthrough in that as well Lord that you would be good and you would be sovereign in that well thanks John what what is everyone else talking about or about you guys over here yeah we sort of talked about how um when you're chatting with someone you can and they they have that sort of joy for life you can sort of tell and then afterwards maybe have that conversation like or afterwards you find out they're a Christian you're like oh that makes sense that makes sense that spreads up and the idea of being like solemn light is something that we're called to have the attributes of and salt being obviously a massive preservative in the time and bringing flavour to things and light being you know you can just pick up a light you have to be very intentional about how you use oil and and light up a room and um how I sort of find that in work because I work in a sort of mixture of actually Christian and secular environment in a secondary school that is Christian but with some non-Christian teachers actually I've had some really interesting conversations with some teachers that have been like you and this person and this person this way why are you all happy all the time and they've made like three or four very out of the Christian teachers that I know and then sort of put me in with that lot as well it's like well let me tell you and being able to have that conversation that's awesome which is fantastic and like yeah so sort of know that the joy for myself and then some of my colleagues at Christian as well where it comes from and then having the opportunity to then holding out the words sort of like it makes conversations a lot easier when people are inquisitive as to why you are how you are and then this is why it makes that conversation effective easier as well.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah awesome that's so exciting that's really cool does anyone else have anything they want to feed back um character that uh seems to I think they use the same word that were consistent between people in that they talked about people whose characters were consistent and authentic and people of integrity so people were known for years who lived lives that were sanctified who lived lives that were obedient to God and also friends from Uncle who was uh who every time you went to the advice uh the advice was good so it was all they they seemed to be able to reference the Bible in ways that were very practical and weird and real and and helpful so it was it was the how you how you don't just have the knowledge but how you use the knowledge and how you live out the knowledge.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I had an issue with the word working out earlier when I don't think work out works well for me in the way I filter it.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think living out is probably the way that I'd probably prefer to read it and maybe you shouldn't change the words of the Bible to suit you but it's just how you interpret yeah that word the word work has connotations doesn't it of like we talked about the earning and sort of do it but you know it is a joke.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_08: Exactly it's a it's a it's a doing word it's there's there's action involved and you know you have to you know you live out you work out I think it's you know it's important to not get the wrong connotation I think you're totally right.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_08: But it's interesting what you talk about I mean that that sounds to me like just having the words of life you know that that is what the Bible is but sometimes it can be impenetrable it can be not super engaging if we've not read it in the right way or whatever but actually just having someone who you know and you go to them for advice and they just instantly they've got the right verse they've got the right passage they've got the interpretation they're holding on the words of life I'll tell you that that would feel encouraging to me I don't know if I'm there yet to to be doing that to other people all the time but maybe that's something to to aim towards for us all and like you know you guys said it's it's you're always learning.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_08: It's an ongoing process you don't have to be a perfect theologian the Bible bites front we do just have to kind of live it.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_08: So where time's getting on a little bit and Catherine's gonna jump in but um just quickly the final the final couple of sections here um which we're looking at 19 to 29 are basically just two case studies.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_08: We've gone through the you know what is our theology how's it going to shape our action we need to be humble we need to work out our salvation what's that look like in real life and what Paul does is he gives two examples he gives us two real people who are in this book who we know about who are doing that.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_08: Timothy is the first one and Epaphroditus is the other one.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_08: So as we as we kind of look at these it's useful for us to go okay well how could I apply that to me?
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_08: How many of these character traits do I display you know what does humility look like in me as is it modelled in these guys so Timothy is uh the first one and he is long lasting he is large hearted he's he's really obvious in his humility he's hard working and he is he's basically the ultimate That Paul substitute.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_08: That's what Paul's getting from Timothy.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_08: He is someone who stayed with Paul even when everyone else has left him, when he's been imprisoned.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_08: He is large-hearted.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_08: You know, verse 20 to 21, we see he's he's genuinely concerned about the people and the well-being of others, the the the the church in Philippi.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_08: He's he's emotionally burdened.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_08: That's the word, that concern.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_08: He's carrying strong feelings for them.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_08: He's authentically caring.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_08: He's not just outwardly showing affection to advance his own cause, but he uh exactly he's not like trying to advance his own cause like the sort of the other preachers we heard about um back in chapter one, you know, they preach the gospel just from sort of vain ambition.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_08: Timothy's genuinely caring.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_08: He's he's obvious in his humility, he's obvious in his his in his walk.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_08: The Philippians know he's proved himself.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_08: In verse 22, but you know Timothy has proved himself.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_08: He has served with me in the work of the gospel.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_08: The people in the Philippian church know Timothy, and they don't just know him by name, they know him by his works, they know him by his actions for the gospel.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_08: He has been battle-tested alongside Paul and his ministry.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_08: He's been with him for years, he served at his side, he's endured all the same trials.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_08: And, you know, we know from Acts in the Rite and Philippi that they were both involved in.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_08: Timothy was there.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_08: He was there alongside him during that imprisonment, you know, when the gospel first came to the city.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_08: He's hard working, he's he's someone who has has served with Paul in the work.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_08: The word there is almost more like slaved.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_08: You know, he's he's given everything to this work.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_08: He's he's been directed by another, he's been led by them, he's worked under Paul, he's not been afraid to put in the effort.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, the reality, we can see that here, you know, where where wherever Paul is, whether he's in Ephesus or in Rome, this is like a 1600-mile journey on foot that he wants, you know, I'm gonna send Timothy to you.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_08: That'll be great.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_08: He's not just gonna jump on a plane, he's gonna travel across the sea, he's gonna travel across land, it's thousands of miles, it's not a quick journey.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_08: But Timothy's like, yeah, great.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_08: And then he'll travel all that way, meet with them, and he's gonna turn around and give back again to Paul.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_08: That's how dedicated he is.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_08: I'm not saying that we all need to do that, but actually, that's the length that Timothy's gonna go to.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_08: And all this makes him the perfect person for Paul to send if he can't go himself.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_08: And he finishes this little list of Timothy's qualities with, therefore, I hope to send them to you as soon as I can.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_08: That's that's a case study of what it looks like to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_08: You know, that's quite intimidating.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_08: You know, that's that's that's a lot to live up to.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_08: You know, it's not it's not there so that we can go, right, I've just got to tick all those off and I'll be fine.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_08: But that's a real life outworking of what it looks like to do everything without complaining and arguing, to do everything, you know, for the gospel.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_08: The next case study is this guy Epaphroditus.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_08: We heard about him earlier on.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_08: He is uh the person who basically has has come from the Philippians to uh to basically give Paul some money to help him in prison, to help him buy food, to look after him.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_08: He's a church leader from that church, and he's basically just ministering to Paul.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_08: And Paul essentially says he's a great guy.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_08: Verse 25 is just a list of positive descriptions of Epaphaias.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_08: He's a brother, he's a fellow worker, he's a fellow soldier, he's a messenger, he's sent to minister.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_08: He's a really good dude, basically.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_08: Paul just gives us a hold of his traits.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_08: In verse 25, he he ministers to Paul's needs.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_08: That's interesting, it's a word that's only used five times in the New Testament, which is quite interesting.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_08: When a word's quite rare, we we, you know, take note.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_08: It's interesting.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_08: But, you know, this has got connotations of like priestly service or or work in the temple in Jerusalem.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_08: He sees serving Paul, looking after his needs as like a sacred calling, a following of God's leading.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_08: You know, he's he's not just bringing you know a bit of chicken soup to Paul when he's not feeling well, he is literally seeing this as his holy mission to minister to the guy who's building God's church.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_08: How often do we see our tasks like that?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_08: I'm not saying, you know, making a cup of tea needs to be venerated in quite that way, but you know, what are we called to do in our work or in our family or in our friendship groups, the work that we do, how often do we see it in that kind of way?
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_08: In verse 26, he he puts the emotions of others above his own.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_08: He he nearly died coming to see Paul, but he's not worried about that, he's just more concerned about the people who sent him being worried about him.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_08: He's really empathetic, he's caring for the people who care about him.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_08: We need to be in tune with the emotions of people around us.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_08: We need to think about others and how we're impacting them.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_08: And finally, he's willing to serve.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_08: He's being sent back early when he would have been expected to be with Paul longer.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_08: There's a potential for him to be questioned about why his mission has ended early.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_08: If you imagine they've sent him all this way, they've sent him with all this money, and then he comes back early.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_08: It would be easy to think that the church that's sent him might you know think something's gone wrong.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_08: But he's not thinking about that potential for dishonour himself, he's following what Paul has suggested.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_08: You know, Paul has to counsel them.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_08: He said, please receive him uh with receive him in the Lord with great joy and honour him.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_08: He's got to remind them to do that because there's potential that they could get the wrong impression.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_08: So actually, I've got another couple of questions, but I think I'm gonna pause there because I'm aware time's getting on a little bit, and um I really want to hear um what Catherine's got to say about the next section.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_08: But um if you have any questions or any thoughts, you know, there'll be some time at the end to ask some more questions and we can have some more discussion.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_08: But um next up, we're gonna hear from Catherine talking to us about chapter three uh in the light of all that we've seen in chapter two.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_06: So thank you, Catherine.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right, hi everyone.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: Can I put that?
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna put sorry, that something worked myself out.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right, so we're moving on then to chapter three.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's so much in chapter three in these first 11 verses, actually, I think I'm gonna do um so we're really gonna skim them in a way, and I've just I've better check what time am I, what time are we?
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's finished by about quarter past.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's cool.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I I'm gonna get you to do some more thinking and some more discussing in your little groups and things.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um but first of all, let's let's read chapter three, verses one to eleven.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um does anybody would anybody like to read those verses?
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, cool.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: So great, thanks.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_11: Three, one to eleven.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_11: No confidence in the flesh.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_11: Further, my brothers and sisters, rejoice in the Lord.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_11: It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_11: Watch out for those dogs, those evildoers, those I can't read that word.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_11: Mutilators, okay, of the flesh.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_11: For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh, though I myself have reasons for such confidence.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_11: If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_11: Circumcised on the eighth day than the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, the Hebrew of Hebrews, in regards to the law of the Pharisee, and as for zeal, persecuting the church, as a righteous based on the law of the but whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_11: What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_11: I consider them garbage that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is in faith in Christ.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_11: The righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_11: I want to know Christ.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_11: Yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his suffering, becoming like him in death, and so somehow attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: So, um chapter three, he's he's as we've seen, he's just been giving those examples of Timothy and Epaphroditus.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: Earlier on, he gave that example of Jesus himself in that song that we looked at last week, and now he starts to talk about himself.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: Paul is just talking about himself a lot in this in this passage.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he starts with another call to rejoice, just a bit random, just rejoice, because that's one of the themes of Philippians, isn't it?
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then there's a bit of a change of tone, I think, in the letter.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: So um he starts to use quite quite lively language, really, to warn the Philippians about a certain group of people that he's worried are um gonna influence them in the wrong sort of way.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: So remember that this is the early days of the church, and and a lot of um, particularly if we look at the church in Acts, the Jewish believers and the Gentile believers were still sort of working out how to do church together, really.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um and Paul is wanting to warn the Philippians about a group of people who maybe want to come and it's a group of Jewish believers who feel that for Gentile to believers believers to be really included in the in the family of God, they need to be following the details of the law of the Torah.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and particularly they want to be, they they feel that they should be being circumcised.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, as Dan mentioned, the the Philippian church wasn't necessarily, you know, it was it was quite a gentile-dominated church, we think.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: But if you look at Paul's letter to the Galatians, he talks about this issue quite a lot more.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: There were there was this pressure sometimes for believers who came from didn't come from a Jewish background to to be circumcised in order to sort of have that outward sign that was part of the the the Jewish nation's sign of belonging to the people of God.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and there's a bit of Paul's very clever with his language, there's a bit of a play on words in this section, but he he uses you know, he calls these people dogs.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: That wasn't any more polite then than it is now.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's not a very nice word.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_00: Evildoers, he says, mutilators of the flesh.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, the the Greek word just means the mutilation, and there's a the mutilation was um katatome, and circumcision is peritome in the Greek, so they're like quite close.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_00: He's saying they're the mutilation, we're the circumcision.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's what he says.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it's quite a strong warning, and this interesting phrase where he says, We are the circumcision.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: So he's talking about what it looks like to be the people of God, I think.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um some people are saying that there's an outward sign that you need you have to adopt in order to be part of you know, members of the family of God, um, those outward signs of the law, especially circumcision, obviously, for men.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I've just got some questions for you to talk about amongst yourselves.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_00: Hope they make sense.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what does he mean when he says we are the circumcision?
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: And just interesting that he uses that word we and who's who's he talking about?
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: What does he mean we are the circumcision?
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: We're not like the mutilators of the flesh.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: What does it look like to be God's people?
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: And are there any external markers that show you that someone's a Christian?
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, okay.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to just spend a few minutes just in your little groups?
• 56:53
  unknown: So I've got to watch the city.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_11: Which is why I just wanted to talk about the why because it's all that's not unless you wonder.
• 57:55
  unknown: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:16
  unknown: Yeah, and I have to do that.
• 58:23
  unknown: Yeah, it would be a good one.
• 58:23
  unknown: Well it's in my head by the way.
• 58:24
  unknown: But it's an arrow, I think.
• 58:29
  unknown: Yeah, that's not that.
• 58:40
  unknown: We think of it.
• 58:41
  unknown: That's the tool.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_10: Um obviously.
• 59:03
  unknown: I actually have that or something.
• 59:13
  unknown: The only reason they use that is that we don't have it.
• 59:23
  unknown: That's the only reason that's what we want to do.
• 59:31
  unknown: Okay, don't talk about it.
• 59:37
  unknown: I've got what I think.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_00: We'll um we'll move we'll move along.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: So um that's happening.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: What what are you thinking?
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's um to any any of those questions.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um what what were you chatting about?
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um Shannon.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_09: Um I I said that when passes you're a service to I think it was a very good thing.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's yeah, that's a good point, isn't it, to help the people that may have felt that they were outsiders to realise that actually God's mercy now extends to Gentile as well.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_00: And they're all they're all in his family now.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but uh interesting to link it back to the that heritage of yeah, from Abraham.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_11: Um click moment with the way you worded it of like circumcision was the outward, like a physical change, alteration of like, hey, look, I'm Jewish, I'm this is my my heritage.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_11: And to say instead that we are the circumcision is actually that alteration in your life, that change in your life should be how you appear outwardly.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_11: You don't need to be circumcised necessarily, but that sort of the the idea of circumcision and what it was actually be that in your faith in Jesus, like it's the outwardly showing your faith in in Christ um through the Holy Spirit working in you and listening to the Father and working by what Jesus um the son said.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he he sort of says that, doesn't he?
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: He says that we're the circumcision, we who serve God by his spirit, so it and who boast in Christ Jesus.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: So he's linking it to that internal spirit working.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_04: That's fine.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, I put in the the you as a woman you can't be circumcised.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_04: That's very true.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_04: So it's not okay.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um so are there any external markers?
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: Does that sound like a strange question to to show that someone's a a Christian?
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_13: External target is not yeah, it can just be a fashion thing.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, sure.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_00: So we still do external things like we we are baptized.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's it there are physical things that we we take communion.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't show that someone's a Christian, does it necessarily?
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: But there are there are those sort of outward signs.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_00: But we but ultimately what Paul's saying is that this circumcision is yeah, it's it's of the heart.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: It says in um Romans 2, he says that more explicitly that circumcision is circumcision of the heart by the spirit, not by the written code.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: So but there's a continuation which is quite helpful, as you said, from the people of God under that, under the law to now, where the Messiah has come, we've you know the promises have been fulfilled, but yeah, we we are in some sense the the circumcision continuing that what what did the what did it mean when when the circumcision was inaugurated?
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_05: Was there a particular meaning associating with it at that point?
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um I mean it's it's a it was it was an outward sign that the people were but the people of Israel, a part of Israel, and I think there's I mean it was passed down through, you know, that there was a heritage, wasn't there, and that you were that that heritage passed through the family lines.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_10: So when Abraham made the covenant with God that his descendants would be gonna go into sacrifices for skin at the grand age of like a hundred and something, sure it's lovely and unpleasant.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_08: It's interesting that the circumcision comes in after the story of Hagar Ishmael, which is for those of you who know sort of basically Abraham has promised a lineation that you know the Jewish people are gonna come from you and you're gonna save the world.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna save the world, bless the world through you.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_08: And then an eldest Abraham's quite old, and he basically him and his wife decide to essentially he he like rapes one of her slave girls and makes her pregnant to try and fulfil that himself.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_08: And then after that narrative, when it all kind of goes pear-shaped, circumcision comes in then, which is almost like God, you know, literally like saying, Well, even even that, God is I'm in charge of that too.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_08: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_08: And it's like what uh obviously it's a that's a sacrifice for a dude in in in that environment, in any environment, because you know, you're you're very vulnerable, you're you're kind of literally saying God's in charge of this in some way, and then it's that's kind of passed down.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_08: And I think you know, that there's definitely a something that's implied there that like God is saying that I'm gonna do it my way, I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna make this happen.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_08: You don't know how to make this work.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_08: And you've done a wrong thing by trying to try to make this promise happen on your own.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_08: There's definitely something at the start was referenced there.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_08: Because it's you know it's kind of a new covenant.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_06: Did it get an H in the same afterwards?
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_06: A round, A round.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's be we'll go on because we've only got a few minutes really, so we'll want to get through it a little bit quickly.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um so Paul goes on to his to talk about, he says, well, you know, if those people think that they've got things to boast in, I've got even more to boast in.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_00: So he he goes on to tell us about his confidence, where his confidence was before he met Jesus, really.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um he lists the things that he he yeah, he had all his credentials really that he had.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_00: So from a human perspective, um, he talks about what he was and what he did.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_00: So he was um circumcised on the eighth day, you know, according to the law, the people of Israel of the tribe of Benjamin.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: So Benjamin was one of the tribes in the Old Testament who stayed faithful to King David's line.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um so you know, that was seen as Paul saw that as a great thing that he was of that tribe, could trace his lineage back to that.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_00: A Hebrew of Hebrews, which basically means he was he was just the epitome of of Jewishness in some way.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um so that was what he was, that was his sort of status.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_00: And in regard to the law, he was a Pharisee.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_00: How we know about the Pharisees from their interactions with Jesus, experts in the law, who, you know, experts in purity laws, especially.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um persecutor of the church, that's where we meet him in Acts, where he's he's there persecuting the Christians, and faultless, he says, which sounds I don't think that means that he thought he was perfect, because he says elsewhere that he wasn't, but maybe that he was just really faithful.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_00: He was known for his faithfulness to the law.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: And he says he goes on to say that all of that he used to put his confidence in, but now he sees it as nothing, really.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_00: He sees it as worthless compared to knowing Jesus.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's important to say he's not saying that he's he doesn't think his Jewish identity is unimportant.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_00: This isn't an anti-Jewish thing that Paul's saying.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's still very much a Jewish believer, but he's just saying that all those things that he used to put his confidence in, he's realized that that was that was baseless, actually, now that he's met Jesus.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_00: So just a couple of questions again.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um what things might we put our confidence in instead of in Jesus?
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_00: And what might that lead to, what problems might that lead to for us as individuals or for our church community?
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_00: So think about it in terms of faith, if you can, or but more widely as well.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, think about how it affects church life and your life as a believer.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_00: What things might you put your confidence in instead of in Jesus?
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_00: So have a couple of minutes to chat about that.
• 1:09:22
  unknown: Sorry, John, you're off the floor.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_11: Oh yeah, I can practice.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_11: That's more interesting.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, you know, if you have people to be capable and intelligent stuff and get on and it's easy to slip into that habit.
• 1:10:39
  unknown: I respect you that a lot of things.
• 1:10:41
  unknown: Speaking of mining, we want to be compliments.
• 1:11:03
  unknown: Your education, your intelligence, your capabilities.
• 1:11:13
  unknown: What does that look like if you're not like that?
• 1:11:16
  unknown: That's what we're talking about.
• 1:11:18
  unknown: Does it all have that?
• 1:11:20
  unknown: Oh yeah, yes, actually.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's probably not more complex.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, non-band pieces.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_05: I think sometimes we're using culture that I think.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_10: How would people know I really need what people know if I really mean it?
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Let's um just see just have a couple of minutes to see what thoughts people had about this.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um what were you what were you chatting about?
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_04: There was a mention of money, self-sufficiency, independence.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_13: Um, things like anxiety and security and yeah, sure.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_00: So if our confidence is in those material things, because they're very shaky and and yeah, it can as you said lead to lead to anxiety.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_00: Because we were saying that that we you know we c we can be very comfortable, can't we?
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_00: We don't we don't worry that there's not going to be any food in the supermarket or that the light's not gonna turn on when we turn the switch and things, so we um we can rest in those things, but then that can that can lead to its own anxiety.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, anyone chatting about in the front of the house.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_08: So just kind of put your confidence not maybe even not like consciously but subconsciously put your confidence in yourself.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_08: You know, generally we're fairly capable, you know, know stuff, can do stuff, can you can just sort of crack on with life.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_08: And it's easy to just sort of assume that you'll always be able to do that.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_08: Um you know, especially if you do your job, you've had education, you've got you know, sort of understanding of the way the world works, you can get by.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_08: But then I think it leads to no other problems also, maybe you you come up against something that you can't just fix on your own.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_08: And that then can be pretty shattering if you can't fix something.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna move on because we've got not much time.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_00: Just really quickly, and we might we might just talk just get your thoughts as a as a big group on this bit.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um so Paul goes on to say that all those things he now considers loss, and it says that in fact he considers them garbage, that I may gain Christ.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_00: This is a really interesting little point about Bible translation here, because that word garbage doesn't really mean garbage.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it says garbage in the NOV.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_00: You might have other things in your translation, you may be uh this is verse 8.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_00: So it says, I consider them garbage that I may gain Christ and be found in him.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's the Greek word skubla, skubla.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, I I I've been brought up like some of you in in church.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_00: I've I've you know I was become Christian in my teenage years.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_00: I I've had a whole lifetime of not swearing, yeah, and not using crude language because that's how I was brought up.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_00: I just can't like can't do it.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um but this word is is really quite crude, it's quite it's quite coarse.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't it's it's means basically it's really hard to I've been thinking all week, how am I gonna say what it means without saying what it means?
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_00: But it means it means the the closest translation I found in the I looked at a few versions was actually the message version, strangely, which just translates it as dog dung.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's sort of excrement, animal excrement.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, basically that, yeah, thank you.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_00: I knew you'd say so it's it's a really crude word.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I was just thinking, you know, Paul he uses really strong language in this chapter, like not just there, but he calls those people dogs, and evildoers the mutilation, like he's not, he's not, he's not mincing, he's not mincing his words, he's not using careful language, he's being really, really clear and quite it's quite a shocking word.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think this would have been deliberately a bit of a shock, this word coming up in this passage in this beautiful letter where we've had that beautiful poem.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, it's a real change here.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_00: He's he's using really strong language, he obviously feels really strongly.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_00: So you can think about that later.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Is it is it okay?
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_00: How do you feel?
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Just maybe a couple of people tell me how you feel about reading, you know, seeing that contrast in Philippians, Paul using that language.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_10: What does it what does it tell us just from a practicality point?
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_10: I think I think Paul's very proud of the church in Philippi.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_10: I think they're doing good Christians, he's very happy with the progress, he's also very happy with bringing the message of Christ to them and then taking it up.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_10: I think he's he's genuinely worried about um Peter and James's Christianity coming to Philippi and then being deceived and deciding to circumcise each other.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_10: Um so I think he's being really coarse to ward them off against that very specifically.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it it yeah, he feels really strongly about this, obviously, yeah.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_00: And and it also shows I think you know what he's doing is comparing all those things, you remember, that things that used to used to be his confidence with what it is to know Christ.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_00: And just to emphasize that, he doesn't just say, well, they're not worth much.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like he says, he says this word, they're they're garbage, they're skubbler, they're they're nothing compared to knowing Jesus.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_05: It's just okay to be explicit about something now, isn't it?
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's good, yeah, it's good to be explicit about something, and he's very explicit about it in this chapter.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm just because we've run out of time really, but I've just put this up to show you the last few verses, which obviously we haven't got time to go into.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's do do look at them properly this coming week.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've just highlighted how often he references Christ at the end.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_00: This is what he's saying that all these things that he used to have, that he used to think made him right with God.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, he met Jesus and everything changed.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that's all nothing compared to the the surpassing worth of knowing Christ.
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what he wants for the Philippines, and and I'm sure that's you know that's something for us to take home as well.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_00: That that's that's the thing.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_00: All of that, all those things that we might have our trust in are nothing compared to this, compared to knowing Christ.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's it, a quick look at those verses.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Is that alright?
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you, thank you, Catherine.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_08: Um, thank you guys for being here tonight, for participating, for being such good sports.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_08: Um, we um will be concluding next week uh with our look at the final chapter of Philippians at the same time here on Tuesday.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_08: If you do want um to get the notes at all, then um do scan the QR code that's just on there, um, and that will get you uh will get you emailed out the notes and stuff.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_08: Um I'm sorry we have overrun slightly this evening.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you all for your patience and for your input and stuff.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_08: But it's great to see you all uh and thanks for coming.
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_08: If you would like, please take some food on your way out.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_08: Might as well have to eat it.
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_08: Don't need that much calories.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you all for being here, and I'll see you next week.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_07: Thank you.