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Credlin | 24 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: D Kreendlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Jujahad Denika of Pets on the Plane. I will absolutely
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Speaker 2: be taking by Dog on a Plane. Hello and welcome
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Speaker 2: to the show again. I'm live from London, day two
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Speaker 2: of the Alliance for a Responsible Citizenship Conference we call
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Speaker 2: it ARC Now in London today it's forecast to be
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Speaker 2: the hottest June record day on history, in history. It's early,
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Speaker 2: but it's already warm out there. It was in the
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Speaker 2: early thirties the last couple of days, and I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you they don't like hot weather here. It's not that
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Speaker 2: comfortable that the tube has broken down. We've got schools
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Speaker 2: needing to close because it's the thirties. A lot of winging,
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Speaker 2: as you'd expect, but you're not surprised by any of that.
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Speaker 2: A lot of big news too out of Australia. Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight on Kredline. The latest inflation data
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Speaker 2: is down slightly, but it's that underlying data number underlying
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Speaker 2: inflation that will have a real impact on any decision
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Speaker 2: the RBA might make to high rates. More of that
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Speaker 2: in a moment. The scourge of terrorism and the rise
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Speaker 2: of radical Islam it's a huge issue here in the
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Speaker 2: UK and sadly something we're acutely aware of too in Australia.
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Speaker 2: I've spoken with experts about the scale of the threat
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Speaker 2: and i'll bring you those interviews this evening, plus the
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Speaker 2: outspoke in UK feminist Julie Bindle. I'll tell you what,
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Speaker 2: she's a cracker. She's a woman on the left. She
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Speaker 2: doesn't mince her words. She doesn't mince that when it
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Speaker 2: comes to Julia Gillard, who she says, through women under
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Speaker 2: the bus when she changed the Sex Discrimination Act. We
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Speaker 2: talk about transgender all of that later in the show,
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Speaker 2: and Labour's Housing Minister says the auction slumps a correction,
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Speaker 2: a correction. Well not so, says the Treasurer. He's had
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Speaker 2: to walk that back. I mean, do these politicians understand
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Speaker 2: what they've done to our homes the collapse of the
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Speaker 2: housing market. Soon let's go now to camera though, for
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Speaker 2: the headlines with our Sky News political reporter Ruben Spargo, the.
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Speaker 3: Housing Minister and Treasurer are at odds overclaims that falling
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Speaker 3: house prices are simply part of a normal market correction.
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Speaker 3: Auction clearance rates are below fifty percent.
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Speaker 4: We see the market, make it correction, and that's what
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Speaker 4: we're seeing at the moment.
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Speaker 3: I think the Housing Minister was using a general description
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Speaker 3: rather than a technical definition. The Opposition seized on the
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Speaker 3: split in question time.
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Speaker 2: Who is telling the truth, the Housing Minister or the Treasurer.
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Speaker 2: I'm just laughing at how they have to egg each
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Speaker 2: other on here. Great question, great question, and it's not
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Speaker 2: a great question.
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Speaker 3: Taker property experts worn the slowdown could be here to stay.
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Speaker 3: Labour's tax changes are set to be rushed through Parliament
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Speaker 3: tomorrow with the Greens backing. The Coalition attempted to highlight
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's reported benefit from grandfather tax arrangements.
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Speaker 5: The truth is I.
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Speaker 6: Didn't inherit wealth. What I did was work hard.
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Speaker 3: The opposition is accusing the government of striking a dirty
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Speaker 3: deal with the Greens to push the changes through.
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Speaker 2: All right, telling me now, my co hosts for this week,
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Speaker 2: the wonderful Steve Price. Steve, you know things are crook
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Speaker 2: when you've got one minister saying one thing, in this case,
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Speaker 2: Housing Minister Clara O'Neil, and you've got the Treasurer, the
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Speaker 2: economic architect of that budget, having to walk back those
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Speaker 2: comments and of course, everybody at home watching them is
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Speaker 2: looking at these two politicians thinking, I don't think they
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Speaker 2: know what they're doing, and you're playing around with my
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Speaker 2: family's future, You're playing around with the biggest asset I own.
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Speaker 2: Or if you're a renter, you're worried how bad are
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Speaker 2: things going to get now that you've done all of
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Speaker 2: these changes they've been rushed through. I honestly don't think
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Speaker 2: they understood the gravity of some of these changes.
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Speaker 1: Well, the public look that Claarare O'Neal and sees that
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Speaker 1: she's on a permanent political salary and she doesn't have
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Speaker 1: to worry about it, and she's probably there were questions
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Speaker 1: asked of her in the House today about whether she'd
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Speaker 1: negatively geared properties. I know that we'll talk in a
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Speaker 1: moment about the Prime Minister not liking that question offered
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Speaker 1: up to him. But I got to say, Clara O'Neill
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Speaker 1: is I reckon almost best on ground at the moment
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Speaker 1: as the worst minister in the government. She's giving Chris
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Speaker 1: Bowen a run for his money. I mean every time
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Speaker 1: she stands up in question time, I mean she makes
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Speaker 1: some sort of blue and blunder. Then she goes on
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Speaker 1: and talks about a correction to the real estate market,
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Speaker 1: and poor old Jim Chalmers has got to come out
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Speaker 1: and say, oh, well that wasn't a technical term. Well,
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Speaker 1: what was it if a correction to the market. I mean,
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Speaker 1: please give us a break. I mean, I don't think
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Speaker 1: they had a clue what they were going to do
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Speaker 1: to the real estate market when they introduced these changes,
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Speaker 1: and they must be sitting around now going how are
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Speaker 1: we going to get ourselves out of this hole?
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Speaker 2: The interesting thing about O'Neil too, I mean she came
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Speaker 2: from McKinsey I think a business background. She's in a
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Speaker 2: very safe labor seat, as she was held up to
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Speaker 2: be one of their great leadership potentials. Her first big test,
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Speaker 2: of course, was the home affairs portfolio, and she was
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Speaker 2: an absolute poor performer there nz YQ that case, the detainees,
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Speaker 2: the foreign criminals let out onto our streets. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it was a catastrophe. They've tried to rehabilitate her by
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Speaker 2: moving her to this portfolio, but she's sort of doing
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Speaker 2: to our homes and what she did to our.
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Speaker 1: Borders, well, she got the hospital hand passer and they
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Speaker 1: must have known they were going to go down this track,
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Speaker 1: even though they said fifty times they weren't going to
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Speaker 1: touch negative gearing. I mean, of course that's what they've
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Speaker 1: now done. But she's been tossed in at the deep end,
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Speaker 1: and she's the one that's going to go out there
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Speaker 1: on the ABC every day and try and explain what's
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Speaker 1: happened to the auction market. Mean, you know, we've been
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Speaker 1: running visional day today of auctioneers saying, Wellry, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to have to pass the property in And you and
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Speaker 1: I tooked last night about the fact that the Melbourne
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Speaker 1: clearance rate last week was well under fifty percent, and
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Speaker 1: every expert in the real estate industry is saying, look,
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Speaker 1: we told you this is what would happen. And you
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Speaker 1: and I said last night, when Keating did it two
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Speaker 1: years down the track, they had to reverse it. Why
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Speaker 1: can't people learn from history, Peter, I just don't get it.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's likely to be compounded, Steve. So if you've
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Speaker 2: got to fall in your home, in the value of
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Speaker 2: your home, it's likely to be compounded with this renewed
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Speaker 2: speculation of rate hikes. And yes there was a dip
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Speaker 2: today any inflation data four point two to four percent
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Speaker 2: but it's the underlying numbers that are still making the
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Speaker 2: RBA nervous. So there's still talk of one, potentially two
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Speaker 2: rate hikes to come. That's a real concern because if
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Speaker 2: you're paying back a mortgage but your home is falling
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Speaker 2: in value, I mean, this is where it'll be unacceptable
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Speaker 2: politically for the government. You've got other things going up.
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Speaker 2: The latest dart about there on electricity up twenty one percent. Well,
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Speaker 2: where are you now on all of that, Chris Bowen?
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Speaker 2: The cost of new homes construction's going up, rents going up,
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Speaker 2: petrol as we know, all of it's in the red.
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Speaker 2: Any wonder you know that the electric is as volatile
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Speaker 2: as it is at present.
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Speaker 1: Well, rents are up three point six percent in that
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Speaker 1: underlying figure, So you know, three point six percent when
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Speaker 1: you're already paying a huge whack of your monthly, weekly, fortnightly,
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Speaker 1: whatever it be, salary in rent money. So it goes
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Speaker 1: up by three point six percent. That's just in a quarter,
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Speaker 1: and it's going to go up more now because investors
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Speaker 1: have fled the real estate market, they're not buying properties
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Speaker 1: to rent, and so you know the amount of properties
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Speaker 1: available are going to be less and so rents will
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Speaker 1: go up. Electricity once they took those government subsidies off
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Speaker 1: Peter that's gone up by twenty one percent. And no
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Speaker 1: one watching us tonight goes out to a coffee shop,
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Speaker 1: a newsagent, seven eleven, a restaurant, a Hamburger store and
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Speaker 1: it doesn't cost them more on the bill, or to
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Speaker 1: Bunnings or anywhere. They know that the inflation rate. The
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Speaker 1: charmers can say whatever he likes about headline numbers and
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Speaker 1: all of that sort of economic malachy. It's not good.
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Speaker 1: People out there are really hurting and it's going to
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Speaker 1: get worse before it gets any better.
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Speaker 2: You know, I went to the footing nuts so recently
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Speaker 2: at the g and I went to get some food
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Speaker 2: with another couple and they had some children with them,
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Speaker 2: and you don't get out of the football for about
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Speaker 2: two hundred bucks, you know, just for something to drink
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Speaker 2: and something to eat if you've got a family. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is where just the ordinary joys of life for
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Speaker 2: so many Australians are being stripped away. And god forbid
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Speaker 2: you're on the pension. I mean, it's incredibly tough. Those
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Speaker 2: changes to the private health insurance levy that the government
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Speaker 2: bought through that the loss of that rebate from the
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Speaker 2: Howard era, you will be getting this same people talk
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Speaker 2: to you that I do. We're looking at two or
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Speaker 2: three thousand dollars this year that they will have to find.
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Speaker 2: Anyone over the age of sixty five who has private
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Speaker 2: health insurance will have to find that additional money.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm over sixty five, and you know I do
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Speaker 1: get that rebate. I don't need it, but I get it.
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Speaker 1: But what about you know, my ninety one year old
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Speaker 1: mother who's hung on to her private health insurance because
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Speaker 1: at ninety one, you don't want to be, you know,
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Speaker 1: dependent on the public system, and so you know, she
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Speaker 1: could lose that rebate. And this is a scandal that
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Speaker 1: not a lot of people have talked about. And while
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Speaker 1: on one hand you're saying we're going to help young
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Speaker 1: people get into houses, but at the other end of
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Speaker 1: the SCOE you've got this absolute age care disaster. We're
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Speaker 1: in home care and the routing of that that's going on,
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Speaker 1: plus this rebate on private health insurance. You're cozying up
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Speaker 1: to young people because you think they'll vote for you,
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Speaker 1: but at the other end of the day, you're turning
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Speaker 1: your backs on older Australians who built the country. I mean,
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Speaker 1: older Australians are not going to forgive that, and that
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Speaker 1: is one of the reasons why I think the one
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Speaker 1: nation vote has exploded.
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Speaker 2: I think the other thing, and this is where I
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Speaker 2: think the one nation vote's being picked up by women,
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Speaker 2: gen X women, women in their thirties now, is because
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Speaker 2: they are the ones picking up the slack for their
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Speaker 2: parents that are in the circumstances that you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: You know, when their parents can't get into care, or
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Speaker 2: they can't get help around the home, or they're having
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Speaker 2: to help their parents keep their private health insurance. And
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Speaker 2: I know from my time in politics, you know people
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Speaker 2: will stop eating three meals a day in order to
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Speaker 2: pay for their private health insurance as they get older,
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Speaker 2: as they get more vulnerable. So the fallout in immediate
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Speaker 2: families is what is driving this movement away from the government. Yes,
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Speaker 2: but it's also I think driving this anger in the community.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't have to happen to you, but if it
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Speaker 2: happens to someone you love, it's a front and center issue.
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Speaker 1: Yeah it is. I'm right in the middle of it
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Speaker 1: and I know exactly what it's like and to try
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Speaker 1: and maneuver your way through the public system or the
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Speaker 1: public service to try and get just a basic in
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Speaker 1: home care package ticked off. I mean we found out that,
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Speaker 1: of course, labor, we're using an algorithm and a computer
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Speaker 1: to work out whether you were on a stage eight
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Speaker 1: package or a stage three package. And if you had
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Speaker 1: your interview and you didn't like the outcome, no human
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Speaker 1: was allowed to intervene when this algorithm spat the result out.
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Speaker 1: They've changed that now, but until people put some pressure
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Speaker 1: on about it, that's what you were dealing with. You're
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Speaker 1: sitting down doing a Q and a interview and having
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Speaker 1: to rely on a computer to say how much help
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Speaker 1: you get at home.
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Speaker 2: I know you'll get back to this with your next guest.
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Speaker 2: For The Prime Minister had a bit of a glass
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Speaker 2: jaw today because he was penned in the Parliament about
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Speaker 2: the two hundred thousand dollars that he gave out of
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Speaker 2: selling off his investment properties. He's a capital tax gains
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Speaker 2: discount that now no other Australian will be able to get,
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Speaker 2: as I say, glass jewel with Albanezi. He doesn't like
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Speaker 2: the attention. He went straight back to that whole housing
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Speaker 2: commission story, that sort of background. But I think that's
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Speaker 2: wearing a bit thin, Steve. I mean, Australians know he's
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Speaker 2: got a three million dollar beach house after all. I
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Speaker 2: think they reject this poor alban Easy story. They've heard it,
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Speaker 2: but they're looking at him now as an adult and
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Speaker 2: and the choices, the decisions he's making about their own
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Speaker 2: household financial circumstances, and he's paying a price. Hey, look,
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Speaker 2: just before we go, just before we go, the wonderful
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Speaker 2: team McQueen, who I've known for a couple of decades.
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Speaker 2: I know you've had her on the program. I know
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Speaker 2: you know her, Steve. I want to just express my
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Speaker 2: condolences following her loss overnight to her family. And I
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Speaker 2: know many skyviewers really enjoyed her commentary. She was sharp
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Speaker 2: and she was a bit feisty, but that's what it
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Speaker 2: is here on skoy is or I'll leave it there, Steve.
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Speaker 2: I'll let you talk to your next guest, but I'll
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Speaker 2: catch up soon.
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Speaker 1: Good on your Peter, Thank you for that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that Anthony Albanesi story today was just extraordinary. So what
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Speaker 1: they asked him about the amount of money that he
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Speaker 1: had gotten through using real estate and the profits he
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Speaker 1: made on his properties. Have a look at how he
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Speaker 1: then reacted and started pointing at Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 6: The truth is I didn't inherit wealth. What I did
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Speaker 6: was work hard, work hard, work hard, save for any
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Speaker 6: closet and buy my own home.
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Speaker 1: What struck me about that was when Anthony Alberanizi pointed
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Speaker 1: at Angus Taylor and said I didn't inherit wealth. I
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Speaker 1: worked hard. I went back today and just checked on
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister's CV if you like, on his work history.
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Speaker 1: He worked between nineteen eighty and eighty one and that
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Speaker 1: would have made him seventeen years old for one year
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Speaker 1: in a bank and for the rest of his career
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Speaker 1: he has worked in politics. Quite extraordinary. He just worked
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Speaker 1: all the rest of his time in politics. He's now
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Speaker 1: in his mid sixties. Quite incredible. Okay, after the break,
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Speaker 1: we will come back to London with Peter how to
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Speaker 1: threat Britain knows all too well Radical Islam.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Coming to your life this week from London,
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Speaker 2: of course, the ARC conference four thousand delegates from around
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Speaker 2: the world, debating some of the biggest issues facing countries
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Speaker 2: like Australia, politics, politic culture, it's all on the table.
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Speaker 2: Some of the biggest names you know in the Conservative movement,
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Speaker 2: Constantine Kissen, Nigel Farages here, Kevy Badnock of course, the
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Speaker 2: Tory leader from the UK, and so many more, all
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Speaker 2: here in the venue just behind me. And what is
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Speaker 2: motivating the debate really is this determination to end the
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Speaker 2: march of the left through our institutions and to put
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Speaker 2: some common sense back into Western democracies like our own.
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Speaker 2: I just want to mention something that Steve and I
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Speaker 2: didn't get to just before. I mean, David Farley, the
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Speaker 2: One Nation MP who's only newly arrived in the House
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Speaker 2: of Reps. Well today he voted with the Greens and
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Speaker 2: the Teals. I think he needs some help in his office.
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Speaker 2: That's extraordinary. I don't think the people of Pharah have
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Speaker 2: voted for David Farley to sit with the Teals and
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Speaker 2: the Greens of the Parliament. I suspect it was a mistake.
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Speaker 2: Let's see if he sharpens things up. But now let's
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Speaker 2: come back to some big issues here. Of course, the
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Speaker 2: rise of radical Islam in Britain. It's come to Australia too,
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Speaker 2: as we know so tragically with Bondai massacre, and so
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Speaker 2: to better understand the scale of the threat, I sat
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Speaker 2: down with an expert. His name's Robin Simcox and until
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Speaker 2: recently he was the British Government's Commissioner for Countering Extremism.
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Speaker 2: Robin Simcox, thank you for your time. Islamic terror attacks
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Speaker 2: have been affecting our stately Britain for some time. Have
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Speaker 2: the politicians been slow to confront even the language the
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Speaker 2: terms radical Islam?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think our response to radical Islam, Islamism, whatever
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Speaker 7: you want to call it, has been has been slow
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Speaker 7: in this country over a period of time, and really characterrorism.
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Speaker 7: Police and my five have disrupted a lot of plots,
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Speaker 7: including some late stage ones, but getting to that root
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Speaker 7: of the problem, the ideas, the ideology, how to kind
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Speaker 7: of dismantle this whole architecture of ideas that radical Islam,
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Speaker 7: the groups around the Muslim Brotherhood Al Qaeda asis have propagated.
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Speaker 7: I think we're as we're in the dark on that
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Speaker 7: now in twenty twenty six as much as we were
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Speaker 7: at the start of the century.
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Speaker 2: And it's not I guess, just the risk of who
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Speaker 2: you important, the ideas that they come with. You're right,
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Speaker 2: there are organizations well funded by a number of even
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Speaker 2: nation states that are pushing the idea a lot of
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Speaker 2: ideology online, that are pushing it into universities and amongst
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Speaker 2: young people. And of course in this country and my own,
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Speaker 2: we have some really radical preachers in mosques getting the
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Speaker 2: message out.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, And so I think the point you raise there
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Speaker 7: is a really important one, because sometimes I feel that
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Speaker 7: there is more comfort from governments like mine and perhaps
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Speaker 7: like yours talking about the online component, and online obviously
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Speaker 7: is something we have to be cognizant of. We know
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Speaker 7: the fact that sermons, radical messages can spread much faster
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Speaker 7: than they once could. But I do think we've missed
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Speaker 7: a bit of a beat on the hyper local, street
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Speaker 7: level em and what's being said, for example, in Mosques,
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Speaker 7: if you look at what was what was being said
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Speaker 7: post seventh of October and the attacks in Israel was
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Speaker 7: unbelievably incendury, right, and so, but have we really had
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Speaker 7: got a proper grasp in this country about what's being
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Speaker 7: said at that kind of hyper local, granular level, what's
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Speaker 7: being taught, what's being encouraged. I don't think we do.
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Speaker 7: And part of that's down to resourcing, but part of
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Speaker 7: it's also down to I think a bit of a
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Speaker 7: tepidness and a nervousness that we might not like the
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Speaker 7: answers that we that we found if we asked the question.
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Speaker 2: And why is that? Is it the political clout of
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Speaker 2: them was invited in some areas well.
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Speaker 7: I thinks there's so many things you, so many ways
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Speaker 7: to answer that question. But one of the things it
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Speaker 7: seems to me is that well, what you left with
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Speaker 7: as a as a solution to some of those problems.
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Speaker 7: Let's say you find that X percentage of Moss in
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Speaker 7: the country, for example, are sympathetic to a mass or
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Speaker 7: the Muslim Brotherhood or our client or whichever is amus
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Speaker 7: group you want to discuss. Government would have to be
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Speaker 7: caught up with something that seems to me to be
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Speaker 7: quite radical in terms of responding to that.
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Speaker 2: De radicalization programs. Do they work. We're obviously in a
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Speaker 2: post BONDI Australia at the moment, and there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of talk about trying to arrest any sense, particularly young people,
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Speaker 2: that they will become radicalized. You guys started these programs
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Speaker 2: a lot earlier than anywhere else in the world, and
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Speaker 2: you've head up in the reports I've read, certainly very
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Speaker 2: mixed reviews. You've been at the point end. What's your assessment.
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Speaker 7: I think they can work early in people's journey, for
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Speaker 7: want of a better word, into radicalism if you have
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Speaker 7: a correct understanding of the factors that is leading that
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Speaker 7: person to be interested in extreme ideas in the first place.
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Speaker 7: And this is where it won't always be an ideologically
19:51
Speaker 7: driven intervention. There's also the question of what do you
19:53
Speaker 7: do about people who have released terrorist offenders who've been released,
19:57
Speaker 7: and how do you begin to deradicalize them. I think
20:01
Speaker 7: our information on that is even spottier, to be frank,
20:04
Speaker 7: and I think that the challenge is even harder because
20:06
Speaker 7: you're dealing with, as we had this experience in the
20:09
Speaker 7: United Kingdom, with people who can be released from prison
20:13
Speaker 7: who have essentially pulled the wall over the eyes of
20:16
Speaker 7: the judge.
20:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've done the d read courses in prison, but
20:19
Speaker 2: then they're out and they've got a knife in the
20:21
Speaker 2: hand in the back added right, And.
20:23
Speaker 7: We've seen this happen multiple occasions.
20:26
Speaker 2: I look at some of your local government races, in particular,
20:30
Speaker 2: some mirror races where the candidate isn't a brit with
20:33
Speaker 2: a Muslim background, it is an aggressive pro Gazen sort
20:37
Speaker 2: of candidate and almost an Islamist who ends up being elected,
20:43
Speaker 2: and I have an engender. There's talk of Sharia law
20:45
Speaker 2: and some jurisdictions. Of course, why would anyone who loves
20:49
Speaker 2: Britain vote for a candidate like that.
20:53
Speaker 4: Well, I suppose the.
20:56
Speaker 7: Thing that really troubled me about the local elections recently
21:00
Speaker 7: that local ellections meant to be about bin collections, street lights, roads,
21:06
Speaker 7: road It's meant to be about the anodyne things that
21:10
Speaker 7: make enable a good place to live, the basics. The
21:12
Speaker 7: idea that you would then want to spend your time
21:15
Speaker 7: not looking to address those local issues but focusing on
21:19
Speaker 7: Gaza and Palestine just seems to me to be such
21:22
Speaker 7: a fundamental breakdown of the contract between how this is
21:25
Speaker 7: meant to work as a functioning society.
21:27
Speaker 2: So this is a debt, isn't it, Between multiculturalism and monoculturalism. Generally?
21:35
Speaker 7: I think the UK has been a really successful multi
21:37
Speaker 7: ethnic democracy. But success lies on the idea that there
21:41
Speaker 7: is a kind of common culture, a theme which you
21:45
Speaker 7: can riff off and they'll be variation.
21:47
Speaker 2: It makes you British British and so, and I.
21:50
Speaker 7: Think honestly, I think most people want to retain that.
21:53
Speaker 7: I think most of our friends and overseas, our allies overseas,
21:56
Speaker 7: want us to retain that right. There are things we do,
21:58
Speaker 7: we do because we are are, but we have to
22:02
Speaker 7: defend it. It's not going to defend itself, right, And
22:04
Speaker 7: if you don't defend it, then it will be eroded
22:07
Speaker 7: slowly and slowly and slowly, but surely, because there are
22:11
Speaker 7: lots of lots of competing ideologies who are playing for
22:14
Speaker 7: keeps essentially right. And if you think about radical Islam
22:20
Speaker 7: is Islamic extremism, it's an aggressive and expansionist ideology that
22:25
Speaker 7: has no real interest in coexisting with what it thinks
22:29
Speaker 7: your values are or democratic principles.
22:32
Speaker 2: So as I was getting it out and about yesterday
22:35
Speaker 2: and today and I talked to ordinary people out in
22:38
Speaker 2: the streets, what comes back to me is this constant
22:42
Speaker 2: a They mentioned immigration a lot, but be the sense
22:44
Speaker 2: of they're losing their country, they can't fly their flag,
22:48
Speaker 2: or they don't feel they're allowed to be British anymore.
22:51
Speaker 2: And one of the things I watched very closely is
22:54
Speaker 2: our ability in your country and mind to debate some
22:58
Speaker 2: of these difficult topics phobia. It is another case in point.
23:03
Speaker 2: You know, it's difficult to talk about radical Islam if
23:05
Speaker 2: you're constantly accused of Islamophobia. But that's an effective way
23:09
Speaker 2: to shut you down.
23:11
Speaker 8: Well.
23:11
Speaker 7: In the UK now there's been an attempt to introduce
23:15
Speaker 7: what's a definition of anti Muslim hatred, which is actually
23:18
Speaker 7: a little bit of a water down version of what
23:20
Speaker 7: was originally going to be an Islamophobia definition. My experience
23:25
Speaker 7: in this generally is that the people shouting loudest for
23:28
Speaker 7: in islamophobia definition tend to be the ones most keen
23:31
Speaker 7: to shut down freedom of speech and discussion around this generally.
23:35
Speaker 4: I just come back to this.
23:36
Speaker 7: I mean, we have laws in place to stop hate crimes, right,
23:41
Speaker 7: we have laws in place to stop discrimination against people
23:43
Speaker 7: for religious purposes, of course we do. We don't want
23:46
Speaker 7: people to be discriminated for religious purposes, of course, we
23:49
Speaker 7: want to stop hate crimes against people because their Muslim.
23:52
Speaker 7: But there's no religion or ideology in this country that
23:56
Speaker 7: has the right to be protected from discussion and debate
24:01
Speaker 7: and question about its concept.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time, thank you. Well, there's some
24:08
Speaker 2: lessons for us is in there? This whole debate about
24:10
Speaker 2: Islamophobia a radical Islam, of course, but his comments there,
24:14
Speaker 2: and remember he's the Independent or just until recently was
24:18
Speaker 2: the Independent Commissioner for Countering Extremism in the United Kingdom,
24:23
Speaker 2: so a government appointee, and he's saying that there must
24:27
Speaker 2: be one single culture in a country that binds all
24:31
Speaker 2: the ethnic groups together. So that's in sharp contrast yet
24:36
Speaker 2: again with the Prime Minister's Jibet, Pauline Hansen and others
24:40
Speaker 2: on the right who say we can't just keep signing
24:43
Speaker 2: up to multiculturalism without expecting division, right. I also caught
24:49
Speaker 2: up with another person who has spent decades in the
24:51
Speaker 2: field of counter terrorism. She's a former detective from the
24:55
Speaker 2: new Scotland Yard and her name is Laura Pond. I
25:00
Speaker 2: thought it would be so good to talk to you
25:01
Speaker 2: given your years of counter terrorism experience as a former
25:07
Speaker 2: detective at new Scotland Yard. One of the issues that
25:11
Speaker 2: I'm discussing here, and it's got such irrelevance back to Australia,
25:15
Speaker 2: particularly post the bond By massacre in my country is
25:19
Speaker 2: terrorism and radical Islam, and sadly Britain's had to come
25:25
Speaker 2: to groups with that for many decades.
25:28
Speaker 4: We've learned the hardway.
25:30
Speaker 8: We've learned through many attacks over here and many attack
25:33
Speaker 8: planning that has been foiled.
25:35
Speaker 4: So yes, we are further down that raid, I would say.
25:39
Speaker 2: And you've got the issue of the homegrown terrorist, you know,
25:42
Speaker 2: British born subjects. You've got obviously people who end up
25:46
Speaker 2: in prison, who become radicalized in prison, with often some
25:49
Speaker 2: really brutal consequences. But now you've got this flood of
25:53
Speaker 2: migration across the borders too, so you know a lot
25:56
Speaker 2: of the people that are coming are fighting age males
26:01
Speaker 2: from countries that are that are pretty radical.
26:03
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, we've got it coming from a number
26:05
Speaker 8: of fronts. We've obviously got the small boats coming across
26:10
Speaker 8: the channel hundreds each day. We have a route through
26:17
Speaker 8: the Republic of Ireland into Northern Ireland which often leads
26:20
Speaker 8: to the mainstream, and we have we have a number
26:25
Speaker 8: of directions that they are coming from, many of them
26:29
Speaker 8: from war torn countries, from countries that have you know
26:34
Speaker 8: that have they have been radicalized, they have got some
26:36
Speaker 8: extreme views and they're coming over here, some with intentions
26:42
Speaker 8: to do things, some just vulnerable to that sort of
26:46
Speaker 8: radicalization that that will you know, will creep in once
26:49
Speaker 8: they're here and they've got the means and the you know,
26:52
Speaker 8: the space to do it in.
26:54
Speaker 4: So we do fight it from many directions.
26:56
Speaker 2: And particularly in the North, you've got some radical mosques.
27:00
Speaker 2: So even if they arrive and they're not radicalized, the
27:03
Speaker 2: risk is here they get in with a particular community
27:06
Speaker 2: and that could eventualway. How big a problem is radical
27:09
Speaker 2: Islam in Britain, It's.
27:12
Speaker 4: A really significant problem.
27:14
Speaker 8: It's I mean, there's a number of ideologies that are
27:18
Speaker 8: a problem that are increasing. One of ours is this unstable,
27:23
Speaker 8: this mixed ideology that's really growing at the moment where
27:27
Speaker 8: no one really knows they'll be pulling bits from different ideologies.
27:31
Speaker 4: That's increasing fast time. However, I think.
27:35
Speaker 8: It's sixty seven percent of our terrorist attack since twenty
27:38
Speaker 8: eighteen have been an Islamist ideology. It's three quarters of
27:43
Speaker 8: MI I five's workload is Islamist ideology.
27:47
Speaker 2: Do you think this is a scourge that will stay
27:51
Speaker 2: with Britain now forever?
27:52
Speaker 4: I think we're I think it's here to stay.
27:54
Speaker 8: You know, I don't want to scareng or I don't
27:56
Speaker 8: want to panic and say, you know, it's we all
27:58
Speaker 8: live on a knife edge moving forward. We have got
28:01
Speaker 8: very good at spotting things. We've got very good at
28:04
Speaker 8: the preventing the attack, foiling and that sort of thing.
28:07
Speaker 8: Figures are always impressive. So the trend heads in the
28:11
Speaker 8: right direction. But is it going to disappear? Radicalization extremism
28:17
Speaker 8: won't disappear.
28:20
Speaker 2: One of the fascinating, probably harrowing jobs you've had is
28:26
Speaker 2: trying to stop young people in the eye of the
28:30
Speaker 2: storm of Islamic State leaving this country to join the caliphae.
28:36
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was when when I first joined the counter
28:40
Speaker 8: Terrorism Command.
28:41
Speaker 4: I had a detective background.
28:43
Speaker 8: I've been the main office ce idea as we call it,
28:47
Speaker 8: so I've been investigating various crimes and then I find
28:49
Speaker 8: myself in the count's terrorism world at the height of Isis,
28:54
Speaker 8: i would say, and the real threat where people were going,
28:59
Speaker 8: you know, most daily in some in some places to
29:03
Speaker 8: you know, to join the caliphe to support in some way,
29:06
Speaker 8: shape or form.
29:07
Speaker 2: And a lot of them the women. We know what
29:09
Speaker 2: a lot of them men did, but a lot of
29:11
Speaker 2: the women were involved in acts of tororism, and I
29:16
Speaker 2: think they got themselves into a lot of trouble when
29:18
Speaker 2: they're away. Yeah.
29:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, By all accounts, Yes, they weren't.
29:24
Speaker 8: Obviously they went there and many of them were part
29:26
Speaker 8: of the family, you know, they were married to isis husbands,
29:31
Speaker 8: they had children and things like that. But there is
29:33
Speaker 8: a lot of intelligence to suggest that they were involved
29:36
Speaker 8: in what was going on in some way, shape or form.
29:39
Speaker 2: Not many of them have come back here, have they? No?
29:42
Speaker 4: No, we've not had many back at all.
29:45
Speaker 2: So so how have you kept them out of Britain?
29:48
Speaker 8: We've deprived them of their nationality In many cases if
29:54
Speaker 8: we have the ability, if they are dual national or
29:57
Speaker 8: if they've got a claim to state ship somewhere else,
30:01
Speaker 8: that we can through the judicial process, we will revoke
30:04
Speaker 8: their passport, their nationality and then they physically can't come back.
30:08
Speaker 8: And we have done that, and there's I mean, there's
30:10
Speaker 8: some very high profile cases we've done that.
30:12
Speaker 4: But yeah, if we can, we have and we've stuck
30:15
Speaker 4: by it.
30:15
Speaker 2: And why is it? Why do you not want them back?
30:18
Speaker 8: Because at the end of the day, they are a
30:19
Speaker 8: risk to national security and I think everyone would say,
30:25
Speaker 8: in an ideal world, we would bring them back and
30:27
Speaker 8: we would put them through the criminal justice process, you know,
30:30
Speaker 8: because they're innocent until proven guilty. However, when you're talking
30:35
Speaker 8: about what we're talking about and where it happened and
30:38
Speaker 8: things like that, you can't. You don't necessarily have that
30:42
Speaker 8: evidence that can be used in a court place.
30:45
Speaker 2: To meet stands of a British course.
30:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, to convict someone.
30:50
Speaker 8: We have a very high threshold, and rightly so, but
30:53
Speaker 8: we have to put.
30:54
Speaker 4: Our evidence in front of a jury. Now, if you've
30:57
Speaker 4: got evidence.
30:58
Speaker 8: That is intelligence that is affects national security.
31:02
Speaker 4: We can't just wap that out in a whole way.
31:04
Speaker 8: See I see, So there will be intelligence and you
31:09
Speaker 8: can't necessarily you try it on the take. Yeah, you
31:12
Speaker 8: can't necessarily put them on I mean, I think in
31:14
Speaker 8: a ideal world that we often talk about, you would
31:17
Speaker 8: be able to you bring them back, you'd secure them,
31:20
Speaker 8: you'd risk assess it, and you'd put them through the
31:23
Speaker 8: criminal justice process. But that's not always. We're not always
31:27
Speaker 8: in an ideal world, are we.
31:32
Speaker 2: There you go. I thought her comments on the Isis
31:34
Speaker 2: brides out of the United Kingdom were incredibly important for
31:39
Speaker 2: you to hear from there and mirrors as you know
31:42
Speaker 2: you watch my program, I know how five you are
31:44
Speaker 2: up about the issue, and thereror is everything we have discussed,
31:48
Speaker 2: so let's never use the term brides. There's a whole
31:51
Speaker 2: lot more to their story or after the break. One
31:54
Speaker 2: of my favorite warriors, she's a left deer, but I'll
31:57
Speaker 2: tell you what we could not be more alive. Her
32:00
Speaker 2: name is Julie Bindle, and she's a warrior on trans
32:04
Speaker 2: rights and fighting back against those rights impinging on the
32:09
Speaker 2: games that women have had biological women. She's also got
32:13
Speaker 2: some tough words for Julia Gillard. I hope they don't
32:14
Speaker 2: run into each other. I think Bindle would win the fight.
32:17
Speaker 2: You won't win to miss the chat coming up soon.
32:25
Speaker 2: Coming to you from a very warm London. It's just
32:28
Speaker 2: after nine o'clock, close to ten, already warming up. There
32:32
Speaker 2: are four thousand people though inside the room behind me.
32:34
Speaker 2: Let's hope the AC's on and they're discussing a lot
32:38
Speaker 2: of the big issues that we are concerned about at home.
32:42
Speaker 2: It was the first day yesterday, it's day too today
32:44
Speaker 2: and another day tomorrow. But I pulled together some of
32:47
Speaker 2: the highlights from the opening day. Have a listen.
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Speaker 9: We must teach our children that the gravitational pull of
32:56
Speaker 9: the digital world is always an everywhere towards society atomized individuals,
33:02
Speaker 9: and we are individuals, but we do not have to
33:04
Speaker 9: be atomized. Human connection, family, community is what sustains our
33:09
Speaker 9: humanness and no technology will ever replace it.
33:12
Speaker 10: In the last thirty years, I have witnessed Western societies,
33:16
Speaker 10: the Netherlands, Britain, the United States of America. Force is
33:20
Speaker 10: emerging from within, either subscribing to communism or who come
33:25
Speaker 10: from Muslim countries and establishing islamis Islam is in here
33:29
Speaker 10: and saying, let's deconstruct with this Western civilization that is
33:33
Speaker 10: centered around every single institution. At least when I came
33:38
Speaker 10: on paper, was committed to individual well being.
33:43
Speaker 11: It's very easy for governments to open borders rather than
33:48
Speaker 11: tackle very significant problems at home.
33:50
Speaker 2: Like cutting welfare.
33:52
Speaker 11: We are spending one in every three pounds on welfare,
33:56
Speaker 11: one in every seven in defense. During the Cold War
33:59
Speaker 11: it was the of the way round. We are now
34:01
Speaker 11: spending more on welfare than we get in. Incometact, the
34:05
Speaker 11: rider is heavier than the horse.
34:10
Speaker 2: Right now? Do I catch up with ad Warrior for
34:12
Speaker 2: women Julie Bendall. She's a writer, feminist, of course, lesbian
34:15
Speaker 2: advocate who's spent forty years fighting for women's rights. I
34:20
Speaker 2: need to now see those rights come under fierce attack
34:23
Speaker 2: with the rise of transgender ideology. It's an issue that's
34:27
Speaker 2: red hot here as it is at home, but over
34:30
Speaker 2: in the UK of course, this is where former Australian
34:33
Speaker 2: PM Julia Gillard lives now, and she's come under fire
34:36
Speaker 2: for trying to earn praise as this champion for women,
34:40
Speaker 2: despite the fact that it was her two days before
34:43
Speaker 2: she was removed by Kevin Rudd who changed the definition
34:47
Speaker 2: of women in the Australian Sex Discrimination Act. Now the
34:52
Speaker 2: pleasure of speaking to Julie a little earlier, Julia, Linda welcome,
34:56
Speaker 2: great to have your company. Julia Gillard before we know
35:00
Speaker 2: Australia that she mainly lives in London now and she
35:03
Speaker 2: has basically created her post political career. It sanitized what
35:08
Speaker 2: was an awful Prime ministership for her in terms of
35:11
Speaker 2: actual tangible outcomes to trade off this great desidonist speech
35:15
Speaker 2: in the Parliament. But she was the one, and everyone's
35:19
Speaker 2: waking up to this now, who first changed the Sex
35:23
Speaker 2: Discrimination Act to be a problem for women.
35:26
Speaker 12: Yes, well, Nicholas Sturgin, who was once First Minister in Scotland,
35:31
Speaker 12: who created the same damage and turmoil as Gillard did
35:36
Speaker 12: in albeit a much smaller country by introducing de facto
35:41
Speaker 12: self id. She's also living in London, so I hope
35:44
Speaker 12: they give each other a bit of comfort when they
35:46
Speaker 12: become persona non grata amongst polite society, because both of
35:51
Speaker 12: those women are destroyers of the rights of women and girls.
35:56
Speaker 12: I really really hope I bump into Gillard in some restaurants,
36:00
Speaker 12: are a store somewhere, because I will very politely tell
36:03
Speaker 12: her exactly what I think of her. And some of
36:05
Speaker 12: these women giving away our rights that we fought for
36:10
Speaker 12: and the rights of girls. Shame on them. Gillard, who
36:15
Speaker 12: I think if she had any fewer brain cells on this,
36:17
Speaker 12: you'd have to water her twice a day. Going to
36:20
Speaker 12: in my country the Women's Prize for Literature and being
36:24
Speaker 12: shouted at and protested by some of my friends and
36:27
Speaker 12: colleagues here in London. She doesn't know what a woman is,
36:32
Speaker 12: never mind misogyny.
36:33
Speaker 2: It started the women's movement on the left, but now
36:37
Speaker 2: the biggest proponents are dismantling those games are the left.
36:42
Speaker 12: I'm still positioned on the soft left. I could never
36:45
Speaker 12: have been involved in the hard left because it's as
36:48
Speaker 12: crazy as a hard right in my view, and as harmful.
36:51
Speaker 12: But I've been told that I'm now on the far
36:53
Speaker 12: right because I'm at events like ARC, because I write
36:56
Speaker 12: for The Australian and for the Telegraph. Well, I wrote
36:59
Speaker 12: for the for many years, and I was booted out,
37:03
Speaker 12: just as Hadley Friedman, just as Susan Moore was, just
37:06
Speaker 12: as those feminists that were very very well regarded by
37:10
Speaker 12: readers and by colleagues at one time, because we dared
37:13
Speaker 12: to say that women do not have a penis and
37:18
Speaker 12: that men cannot claim to be women. This is why
37:21
Speaker 12: we were booted out. So we will organize wherever we
37:24
Speaker 12: find kindred spirits. The left, I think needs to regroup.
37:30
Speaker 12: Whether it ever will or not, I don't know.
37:32
Speaker 13: She may have been subjected to unlawful discrimination on the
37:36
Speaker 13: basis of potential pregnancy.
37:38
Speaker 2: I'm very confused. A biological mouth can't become pregnant, but.
37:43
Speaker 13: The grounds of pregnancy includes potential pregnancy as well as pregnancy.
37:48
Speaker 2: Let's not, miss doctor Anna Cony, Oh please, let's not.
37:53
Speaker 2: She has gone around the world. You know this whole
37:56
Speaker 2: estimates hearing. It's like a Monty pipe and either side.
38:00
Speaker 12: Isn't it Oh, it's beyond Monty Python. I think it's
38:04
Speaker 12: beyond parody. I feel sorry for some of our satirists
38:08
Speaker 12: and comedians who can no longer run this material because
38:11
Speaker 12: they're actually giving us a greater laugh than they ever could,
38:16
Speaker 12: although obviously it's not funny. Cody is doing the absolute
38:20
Speaker 12: opposite of what her job is supposed to be and
38:24
Speaker 12: she thinks this will make her popular. Well, it will
38:26
Speaker 12: amongst some absolute insane extremists. But the tide will turn.
38:32
Speaker 12: We we're seeing it now in the UK. We're winning
38:34
Speaker 12: our really important legal cases.
38:37
Speaker 5: The unanimous decision of this court is that the terms
38:40
Speaker 5: woman and sex in the Equality Act twenty to ten
38:45
Speaker 5: refer to a biological woman and biological sex.
38:49
Speaker 2: The fact that you had that massive win in the
38:52
Speaker 2: Supreme Court, even labor here has tried to put back
38:55
Speaker 2: into legislations some rights and that's the fight. Of course,
38:58
Speaker 2: our good friend Sal Grover's why doing at home.
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Speaker 12: That's right, and Sal is here and we've been talking
39:04
Speaker 12: about the latest victory, which is more than a year
39:08
Speaker 12: on from the for Women in Scotland Supreme Court clarification
39:13
Speaker 12: of what the law already was, that stonewall the so
39:17
Speaker 12: called gay rights organization that became a transwites organization have
39:21
Speaker 12: made out that it was their law that everyone should
39:23
Speaker 12: be following, which is trans women and women. So just
39:26
Speaker 12: over a year on from that, for Women in Scotland
39:28
Speaker 12: went back to court again against Scottish ministers and this
39:32
Speaker 12: affects the whole of the UK of course, to confirm
39:37
Speaker 12: that it is dangerous to put men, however they identify
39:41
Speaker 12: or a dress in prison with women because the women
39:46
Speaker 12: are a vulnerable group. Now what Sturgeon said, and no
39:48
Speaker 12: doubt this is Gillard's point as well, is that trans
39:51
Speaker 12: identified men aren't safe in men's prisons, okay, so why
39:55
Speaker 12: put them in women's prisons where the women aren't safe.
39:58
Speaker 2: You aren't confident that that you've turned the tide here
40:02
Speaker 2: and that we will be able to turn the tide
40:04
Speaker 2: at home.
40:04
Speaker 12: You will turn the tide and it will happen very quickly.
40:07
Speaker 4: This is my prediction.
40:09
Speaker 12: If I'm right, Please have me back.
40:10
Speaker 2: On the absolutely will Julie Well, I can only hope
40:13
Speaker 2: for that. So good to see you too, and fine
40:15
Speaker 2: form as always else, Thank you very much. She's great,
40:21
Speaker 2: isn't you. I've got a little bit more to show
40:23
Speaker 2: you tomorrow. She gets into the whole LGBTQY plus word
40:27
Speaker 2: salad and it's pretty entertaining. Right. We'll get to some
40:30
Speaker 2: domestic matters again in a moment with Steve Shorty. But
40:33
Speaker 2: one of the great things about being here at ARC
40:35
Speaker 2: in person is all the stuff that goes on behind me.
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Speaker 2: Down there, there's a vast space before you get into
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Speaker 2: the auditorium and all of these groups have got stands
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Speaker 2: set up and this is where the delegates can move
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Speaker 2: around in between sessions. They can have the discussions, the debates,
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Speaker 2: the books are out there and no one's shouted down.
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Speaker 2: Of course, no one's canceled. No topic is off limits.
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Speaker 2: And we took a camera down there after I spoke
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Speaker 2: to Julie to catch up with a sex matters group.
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Speaker 2: These are the women who, years before it was mainstream,
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Speaker 2: belled the cat on gender ideology, took on the fight
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Speaker 2: and they are the movement that we're all trying to
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Speaker 2: support in Australia and around the world. This is all
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Speaker 2: about women's biological rights. You've written a book about Turf Island,
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Speaker 2: the fight for women's rights in the UK. Why did
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Speaker 2: you get ahead of the gender self I d that's
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Speaker 2: been such a big issue at home.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, there were some really brave women who woke up
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Speaker 14: to this round about twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, and that's
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Speaker 14: what I've written about in my book, the big campaigns
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Speaker 14: that have enabled us to resist that inexorable momentum of
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Speaker 14: transm and so one of them was about protecting children
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Speaker 14: from puberty blockers. We're still fighting that fight, but at
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Speaker 14: least it's in the open. And then the other one
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Speaker 14: was stopping the law from being changed to simply let
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Speaker 14: men identify as women and change.
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Speaker 2: Their birth certificates. Australia has got.
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Speaker 14: Football teams women's football teams with five male players, and
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Speaker 14: of course they win everything. So it's devastating and it's
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Speaker 14: no longer a matter of just accommodating a few people.
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Speaker 4: Until you can talk about.
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Speaker 14: This with some surety that you will not lose your job,
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Speaker 14: you can't get anywhere.
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Speaker 4: You have got to establish free speech on the fact
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Speaker 4: that there are two sexes.
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Speaker 15: I lost my job for tweeting about this. In twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 15: when the UK government was consulting on whether to change
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Speaker 15: the law to make it easier for people to just
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Speaker 15: sign a piece of paper and change their sex. People
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Speaker 15: should be able to express their beliefs whatever they are
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Speaker 15: in a democratic society, because that's what you need for
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Speaker 15: bad ideas to be debated. And I lost initially, and
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Speaker 15: that's what brought JK Rowling into this debate. And then
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Speaker 15: I appealed and I won, and it created a precedent
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Speaker 15: which means other people in the UK can't lose their
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Speaker 15: job for saying that sex is real.
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Speaker 14: A majority of people in the UK in Australia, I
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Speaker 14: do know that this is a problem. They haven't reached
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Speaker 14: the point yet where a majority are willing to talk
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Speaker 14: about it because it's risky. But I think she's right
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Speaker 14: that we'll gather.
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Speaker 2: So trans exclusionary, radical feminist. That was the jive thrown
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Speaker 2: at these women. JK Rowling, of course got in and
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Speaker 2: backed them and proudly said, we'll wear that badge of
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Speaker 2: turf with pride. That's what we are if we believe
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Speaker 2: in women's rights and you want to call us that, well,
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Speaker 2: we'll wear that. And we basically have re owned that term.
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Speaker 2: They said, that's the terminology there, Turf Island the book,
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Speaker 2: and those women are amazing. We'll do a bit more
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Speaker 2: of that today. Of course, bring you that tomorrow and
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Speaker 2: a whole lot more. That's it for me from London.
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Speaker 2: But after the break, and I'm a bit jealous here
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Speaker 2: my favorite Kel Richards is on with Steve.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back great stuff from Peter Alive from London tonight.
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Speaker 1: Peter Credit will be back with you Live from London
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Speaker 1: at the same time tomorrow night. As Ark wraps up
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Speaker 1: for the week, she said she's jealous because I'm getting
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Speaker 1: to chat with the great wordsmith and broadcaster Kel Richards,
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Speaker 1: which I love doing when I'm filling in for Peter Kell.
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Speaker 1: Good to see you. Last week. We talked about some
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Speaker 1: words and words. We've got some more of those today.
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Speaker 1: But something struck me today that I knew you'd have
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Speaker 1: an opinion on One Nation leader Pauline Hanson. And she's
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Speaker 1: not the first person, either political or in media, who
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Speaker 1: struggled to get a word out. I've plead guilty. I've
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Speaker 1: done it plenty of times myself. Here she is Kel
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Speaker 1: in the Senate today.
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Speaker 8: Carlos, who is ancient quintantionionally, well, he's a bloody was he?
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Speaker 5: What word?
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Speaker 16: Was she trying to get out there and kill quintessential,
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Speaker 16: which means the very essence, the very hard of something.
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Speaker 16: What she had a problem with is called sessqua podalia.
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Speaker 16: It's a Greek word that means many feet and it
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Speaker 16: was coined as a joke word many years ago by
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Speaker 16: one of the great classic Greek writers, to meet a
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Speaker 16: word that's a yard and a half long, and the
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Speaker 16: thing to do with those she had it in a script.
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Speaker 16: You don't put words like that in the script. Quitt
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Speaker 16: Essential means the very essence, the very hard of something.
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Speaker 16: You don't put quitt essential in the script. You say
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Speaker 16: the very hard of it is, and then there's not
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Speaker 16: a problem.
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Speaker 1: You know what I would have put in the script
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Speaker 1: if I was writing the speech for it, I would
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Speaker 1: have called Carlos I think that was his name. Carlos
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Speaker 1: is a true blue Australian. You don't need quintessential. So
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Speaker 1: it was writing that speech needs to kick up the backsight.
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Speaker 1: But she's not the first to have done it. Remember
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Speaker 1: when Julia Gillard mixed up hyperbole and pronounced it hyperbol.
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Speaker 1: I have gone very close to saying hyperbol because when
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Speaker 1: you look at the word on.
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Speaker 2: A page cow it drags you in to say.
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Speaker 1: Hyperbol not hyperbole.
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Speaker 16: I'll tell you why because our spoken vocabulary tends to
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Speaker 16: be around about eight to ten thousand words, but our
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Speaker 16: understanding vocabulary, the words we can read are twenty five
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Speaker 16: to thirty thousand words. So we've got lots of words.
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Speaker 16: We've seen it in print and we know what they mean,
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Speaker 16: but we haven't heard them sat all oud a lot,
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Speaker 16: and maybe we haven't said them ourselves. And hyperbole can
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Speaker 16: get you into that trap.
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Speaker 1: Well, Pauline shouldn't worry because I mean that famous sixty
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Speaker 1: minutes interview she did where she was asked whether she
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Speaker 1: was xenophobic or not, and she came back and said,
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Speaker 1: please explain because she didn't know what that meant either.
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Speaker 16: Yes, yeah, yeah, So those things. Avoid those things.
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Speaker 1: The other thing to avoid is split infinitives. Explain what
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Speaker 1: they are?
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Speaker 16: Okay, are splitting? Well, let me tell you, Steve. When
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Speaker 16: you hear the words these are the voyagers of the
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Speaker 16: Starship Enterprise, you know you're about to hear the most
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Speaker 16: famous split infinitive of all time.
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Speaker 5: Too boldly go.
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Speaker 16: It puts the adverb boldly in between the preposition two
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Speaker 16: and the verb to go, and it splits the infinitive.
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Speaker 16: Now we've been told for the last three hundred years.
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Speaker 16: We should never do that, but it's wrong. We should
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Speaker 16: be allowed to do that. It came into English grammar
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Speaker 16: books because they had When they started writing English grammars,
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Speaker 16: there were no models, There were no previous grammar books,
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Speaker 16: so they used Latin grammar. In Latin, the infinitive is
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Speaker 16: one word, so it can't be split. So they said, okay,
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Speaker 16: you shouldn't split the English infinitive. It was nonsense then,
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Speaker 16: it's nonsense now and everyone from Shakespeare to Star Trek
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Speaker 16: has split infinitives. So you hearby have my permission to
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Speaker 16: split as many infinity it lives as you wish.
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Speaker 1: You've come up with one. I've never heard of and
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Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm going to pronounce it correctly.
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Speaker 16: Gerrand oh geronder is a verbal noun. So you take
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Speaker 16: a noun and turn it into a verb. Sports commentators
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Speaker 16: do it. They say so and so has meddled, or
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Speaker 16: so and so has podiumed. We think they're we think
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Speaker 16: they're funny, and people get in touch with me all
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Speaker 16: the time through my website to complain about them. But
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Speaker 16: the truth is English has been turning verbs into nouns
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Speaker 16: for a thousand years. So it's really a way to
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Speaker 16: complain now.
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Speaker 1: My friend, you teach us something every time you appear
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Speaker 1: and kill Peter's quite right, you're our favorite guests. Thanks
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Speaker 1: for joining us, mate, Peter Credle will be back with
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Speaker 1: you tomorrow night from London. My made Andrew bolts up
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Speaker 1: now