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RHOA vs RHOBH: Ratings War in Reality TV · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King.
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  Speaker 2: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and
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  Speaker 2: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality
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  Speaker 2: television with over ten years of production experience. Twice a
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  Speaker 2: week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with
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  Speaker 2: my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality
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  Speaker 2: shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking
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  Speaker 2: and tweeting about. Hey, rain drops. So look, we got
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  Speaker 2: a very juicy, shady episode today because you guys were
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  Speaker 2: shading me on Twitter dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Child.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I can't even post my opinion or congratulations
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  Speaker 2: to another franchise about ratings for you guys start coming
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  Speaker 2: from me, like what did I do? This episode is
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  Speaker 2: all about the ratings war that I haven't seen on
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  Speaker 2: social media as relates to the Real Housewives of Atlanta
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  Speaker 2: versus Belly Hills. At the end of the day, what
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  Speaker 2: I've noticed is it's sort of like the beehive versus
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  Speaker 2: the Navy. Okay, so the Beehive are the Atlanta Housewives
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  Speaker 2: and the Navy are the Beverly Hills Housewives. You guys
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  Speaker 2: argue upper storm about these ratings, but I'm here to
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  Speaker 2: tell you no one cares. You are literally fighting over
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  Speaker 2: something that as an industry expert, these networks don't care
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  Speaker 2: as much as you do, and I'm here to tell
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  Speaker 2: you why.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's get started.
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  Speaker 2: It is very old school to care about same day ratings.
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  Speaker 2: No one gives a fuck about that anymore, guys, but
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  Speaker 2: you do. We live in a day and age each
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  Speaker 2: where we have everything at our disposal. We have social media,
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  Speaker 2: we have concerts, not that we're able to go outside.
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  Speaker 1: We have family, we have day brunches.
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  Speaker 2: Honey, we have so much more to do nowadays that
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  Speaker 2: gone are the days where you literally sit at home
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  Speaker 2: and watch TV at eight o'clock on a Sunday or,
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  Speaker 2: in this case for belly Hills, on a Wednesday. So
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  Speaker 2: because of that, networks don't care anymore about same day
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  Speaker 2: ratings because the world has changed.
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  Speaker 1: But guess who haven't change?
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  Speaker 2: You fan bases, y'all still argue up and down about
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  Speaker 2: reaching one million views, like, no one gives a shit
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  Speaker 2: about reaching one million views the same day. When I
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  Speaker 2: was producing The Real Housewives of Atlanta, season six was
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  Speaker 2: the highest rated season because we got same day audience
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  Speaker 2: of four million people. Oh that was back in twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 2: This is twenty and twenty two. So what Networth cares about,
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  Speaker 2: guys is live plus three.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you what that means.
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  Speaker 2: That means the same day plus three days my loves okay,
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  Speaker 2: So think about it this way. When Atlanta Housewives come
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday, they care about Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: Honey, and even Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: When Beverly Hills come on Wednesday, they care about Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
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  Speaker 2: and even Saturday. So they're not caring about how many
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  Speaker 2: millions one show got the same day.
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  Speaker 1: No one cares about that.
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  Speaker 2: So when I congratulated Beverly Hills for having I think
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  Speaker 2: it was one point one five million viewers, y'all read me,
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  Speaker 2: tried to shade me, and.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all know I can handle it because I don't give
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  Speaker 1: a shit.
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  Speaker 2: But y'all were so mad at me for congratulating Belly
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  Speaker 2: Hills that y'all had the audacity to come for me
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  Speaker 2: and my shows, the Love and Marriage Franchise, and y'all
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  Speaker 2: talked about how I should worry about my ratings.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, boo, boo, let's not go there.
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  Speaker 2: So look, I'm about to school y'all I'm about to
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  Speaker 2: give y'all a crash course on ratings.
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  Speaker 1: Just called me doctor Carlos Luther King Jr.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and I got my understudy, Coretta Scott.
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  Speaker 3: Oh baby, I'm more like. I'm more like Bernie's their daughter. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: Bernie's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Huddie back Okay, that's what this a distantoneod is
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  Speaker 2: called back baka.
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  Speaker 1: So look, Jasmine, they're trying to me. Baby.
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  Speaker 4: They were eating you up a little bit. They were
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  Speaker 4: eating you.
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  Speaker 1: Up a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I think I mean you made some great points though, right, Like,
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  Speaker 3: the networks don't really care about same day because they
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  Speaker 3: know people are gonna stream.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna go on our apps.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna go on their own app, Discovery plus the
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  Speaker 3: Bravo app.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna do all of that.
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  Speaker 3: Peacock right to go and watch the shows if we
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  Speaker 3: can't catch them on Sundays. So those same day ratings
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  Speaker 3: really don't mean anything.
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  Speaker 1: No, they don't mean a thing.
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  Speaker 2: And listen, you know how Kim Zoziak said, the ring
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  Speaker 2: don't mean a thing. I'm going to create a song
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  Speaker 2: called the ratings Don't mean a thing, and I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to give it to Beyonce.
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  Speaker 4: Oh beat you put on it, she might jump on
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  Speaker 4: the track.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So look, I think she'll love it. So look
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, y'all try to get
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  Speaker 2: on Carrie Hillston's five G network and tell me, are
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  Speaker 2: you bringing up.
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  Speaker 3: Kerry Hilton because you just brought up Beyonce. That's shady.
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  Speaker 3: You know what you deserved it. You deserved what they
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  Speaker 3: did to you until they you deserved it.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, Because Carrie Hillton alleged during COVID or
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  Speaker 2: the pandemic, I should say that COVID was started because
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  Speaker 2: of the five G towers.
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  Speaker 1: So we all have theories.
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  Speaker 2: So look, when it comes to own, own is not
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  Speaker 2: seen in as many households as Bravo.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So you know when you guys go to the hotel,
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  Speaker 2: the motel, the holiday and say why why yes, okay,
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  Speaker 2: shout out to Ludacris anyways, or it was that Chinky
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  Speaker 2: I think it was.
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  Speaker 4: Chinky holiday in.
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  Speaker 1: Lula christ was on the remixed with Snoop Dogg.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So when you're staying at the Four Seasons, you
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  Speaker 2: may get owned.
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  Speaker 1: Right hotels?
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  Speaker 4: What they not get on.
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  Speaker 1: At you know, allegedly, I would say Riddan booth in.
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  Speaker 3: Not the Red Room super you're not getting on. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if you're gonna get Bravo in either though.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you're definitely getting Bravo. The red roof in.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely you're getting Bravo. You're getting VH one BT for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Are those like the basic basic basic cable packages versus
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  Speaker 3: a premium package?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have the same availability in households as our counterparts.
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  Speaker 2: So based on that formula, Love and Marriage is the
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  Speaker 2: most watched show on own and if you go on
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  Speaker 2: my Instagram or Twitter you'll see that. Because I ain't
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  Speaker 2: got to laugh it's in black and white. Love and
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  Speaker 2: Marriage DC is doing very well considering it's a brand
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  Speaker 2: new series, it's a brand new franchise. And I know
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  Speaker 2: you guys want to compare Potomac ratings to Love and
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  Speaker 2: Marriage DC because Monique Samuel's left, not fired, she left
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  Speaker 2: Potomac to join Love and Marriage DC, so you guys
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  Speaker 2: want to shave her. There's this Twitter page that posts
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  Speaker 2: only Brava ratings, and all of a sudden, y'all post
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  Speaker 2: in Love and Marriage DC ratings as if it's real comparison.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's shady. It's shady.
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  Speaker 2: So look, I'm the one who taught the Atlanta Girls
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  Speaker 2: how to be shady, so you can't beat me when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to that game, baby, period.
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  Speaker 3: Now, let me ask you a question, because I think
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  Speaker 3: the other side, right is they're also comparing shows that
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  Speaker 3: have been on for such a long time.
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  Speaker 4: You can't compare how.
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  Speaker 3: Long has the Love and Marriage franchise been a thing
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  Speaker 3: versus how long has have The Real Housewives been on air?
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  Speaker 4: It's not really a good.
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  Speaker 2: Comparison, right, No, The Real Housewives have been on for
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  Speaker 2: like seventeen eighteen years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, wow that long?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Ohc it's been like seventeen eighteen years. Love and Marriage
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  Speaker 2: Huntsville has been on for four years, So how can
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  Speaker 2: compare a eighteen years to four years? The Real Housewives
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  Speaker 2: is cemented in pop culture.
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  Speaker 1: It is a phenomenon.
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  Speaker 2: It has a huge fan base, and I was so
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  Speaker 2: blessed and honored to be a part of that.
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  Speaker 1: I made The Real house.
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  Speaker 2: Was of Atlanta season six the highest rated season or
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  Speaker 2: series if you want to go there, guys, ever in
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  Speaker 2: Bravo history, and it.
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  Speaker 3: Took six seasons for you to do that. Because I
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  Speaker 3: guarantee their ratings in season one weren't at well, what
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  Speaker 3: was it four million at its height? That wasn't They
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  Speaker 3: weren't getting those ratings in season one.
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  Speaker 2: Now season one they cracked like six hundred seven hundred thousand,
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  Speaker 2: and I think a million maybe during the reunion, and
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  Speaker 2: then six seasons later they cracked like four point five
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  Speaker 2: four point six million.
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  Speaker 1: So it takes time for an audience to grow.
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  Speaker 2: This black man created a franchise and that should be celebrated.
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  Speaker 1: So while you kind of shade me, is never going to.
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  Speaker 2: Work because I created something that is number one on
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  Speaker 2: a network that was created by a woman who I
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  Speaker 2: love and a mayer to this day. So you can't
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  Speaker 2: shade us, baby, And at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't shading the Atlanta Girls. I will never and
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  Speaker 2: listen to me loud and clear, I will never shade
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  Speaker 2: Atlanta Housewives. I'm not that producer who leaves the show
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  Speaker 2: and wants to see it fail.
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  Speaker 1: I was never that.
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  Speaker 2: So much so what y'all don't know, And Jasmine, this
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  Speaker 2: would be an exclusive if I wanted the Atlanta Housewives
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  Speaker 2: to fail, why do I still talk to some of
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  Speaker 2: the housewives and give them advice?
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  Speaker 1: On how to make a scene great. Oh, y'tta know that? Huh? Oh? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: got it?
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  Speaker 3: Are you being paid as a consulting producer when you
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  Speaker 3: do this?
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  Speaker 2: No, because they're my friends. They're my friends. I told
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  Speaker 2: when I left after season nine and I saw how
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  Speaker 2: the show wasn't what I thought it would be. I said,
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  Speaker 2: at the end end of the day, my name will
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  Speaker 2: always be a part of this show, and I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to win because it's my legacy. I never want my
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  Speaker 2: legacy to be tarnish. I'm not that guy. I want
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  Speaker 2: the show to win. And I remember when I had
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  Speaker 2: a conversation with the housewives during season nine. I said
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  Speaker 2: to them, it is a privilege that we as black
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  Speaker 2: people have the number one show on Bravo, and if
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  Speaker 2: you ladies do not step it up and stop being comfortable,
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  Speaker 2: you are going to lose that spot.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to lose it.
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  Speaker 2: So now that we see Beverly Hills Housewives as number one,
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  Speaker 2: I don't take any pride in that.
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  Speaker 1: I warned them.
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  Speaker 2: I had this conversation with them, and you can ask
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  Speaker 2: all of them if it's true or not.
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  Speaker 1: I did because I.
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  Speaker 2: Knew that if you remain comfortable this may be your fate.
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  Speaker 2: So it saddens me honestly that they're no longer number one,
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  Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, Atlanta can't get
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  Speaker 2: back to where it was, but it starts with people
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  Speaker 2: who are invested in the show.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that's a great point that you make.
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  Speaker 3: I will say though, you know, if I'm coming from
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  Speaker 3: a viewers perspective or somebody on Twitter who wants to
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  Speaker 3: read you, it's it's a good comparison to make, right,
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  Speaker 3: because you said it yourself. Your legacy is with Real
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  Speaker 3: Housewives of Atlanta. When people think of that franchise and
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  Speaker 3: it's golden years, they do think of you being heavily attached,
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  Speaker 3: being the producer, and so it's an easy comparison for
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  Speaker 3: them to make between Real Housewives of Atlanta and the
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  Speaker 3: Love and Marriage franchise because this is also something that
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  Speaker 3: you created and started.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I think with Beverly Hills, what they missed is when
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  Speaker 3: you did tweet about them being like the number one
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  Speaker 3: franchise or the highest rate it you were coming from
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  Speaker 3: a fans perspective, you weren't coming right. You prod you
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  Speaker 3: weren't shading the Real Housewives of Atlanta. You really just
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  Speaker 3: stated the fact, and you were celebratory because you are
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  Speaker 3: a fan of the show period.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's that's what it is. I'm a
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  Speaker 2: fan of the show. And listen, what's interesting is, at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day, Look, let's be real, let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about the same day rating. So now that I
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  Speaker 2: schooled you guys that the networks don't care about same day,
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  Speaker 2: y'all do, so y'all can stop that little argument.
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  Speaker 1: But let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: It is my fundamental belief that at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, Atlanta Housewives at.
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  Speaker 1: One point was must see TV.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, little girl, I can't go to the
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  Speaker 2: club just yet, Save me a chair, send me a bottle.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta watch Atlanta Housewives because something is happening that
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  Speaker 2: I need to see in this moment. It's sort of
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  Speaker 2: like when we watch Power or p Valley and it's like, look,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta watch it right now, or even drag Race,
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  Speaker 2: Like I gotta watch drag Race right now because Twitter
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  Speaker 2: is gonna spoil it for me, so I gotta watch
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  Speaker 2: it live. That's how Atlanta Housewise used to be and
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion, and I would love to get yours Jasmin.
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion, I just don't think this season is
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  Speaker 2: must see TV and people are willing to not go
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  Speaker 2: to Sunday brunch or have Sunday dinner instead of watching
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  Speaker 2: the show. Like I think people are saying, I'll catch
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  Speaker 2: it Monday or even Tuesday. And I think Beverly Hills, who,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, I don't think they're having a great season, that's.
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  Speaker 1: My opinion, but I think they have.
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  Speaker 2: This fan base that really wants to watch it the
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  Speaker 2: same night it comes on.
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  Speaker 3: Atlanta has that as well. They just don't have as
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  Speaker 3: many people who are willing to do it. Like as
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  Speaker 3: a as a fan of both shows, neither one of
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  Speaker 3: them for me feel like I need to stop what
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing to watch them live.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It used to be an event, Like you said, it
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  Speaker 3: was an event for a Real Housewives of Atlanta. I
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  Speaker 3: need I need to live tweet this with everybody on Twitter.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want it to be spoiled the same you know,
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  Speaker 3: I guess Beverly Hills has That's no shade. But I've
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  Speaker 3: never felt that way about Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 1: Not not, not not this season.
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  Speaker 2: Last season I did with Erica Jane drama and Denise
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  Speaker 2: Richard's Bravo, Bravo, fucking Bravo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I never, I never was really into Beverly Hills
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  Speaker 3: like that, But I do agree with you. Neither one
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  Speaker 3: of them are having particularly strong seasons.
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  Speaker 1: For you to say that.
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  Speaker 2: But when I say I'm a hater, Carlos, it's better
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  Speaker 2: focus on your own shows.
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  Speaker 1: I have Honey and we're winning.
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  Speaker 2: But like, I really think it's like the fan base
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: of musicians, you know how, like your favorite artists can
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: drop a song that may.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Not be great, but you're gonna rhyme with them anyway.
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  Speaker 2: And play it constantly and say, uh, this song is
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  Speaker 2: really good, though, son, like it has a lot of
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  Speaker 2: moments I like to be in my y.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I can't, I do have I will.
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  Speaker 3: It is easier for me to be critical because I'm
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  Speaker 3: not a former executive producer of either of those shows.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not heavily attached to the network. So yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think for you, you just have to you just
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  Speaker 3: have to take it, really because you you shouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: tweeted it.
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  Speaker 1: You said I should not have no.
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  Speaker 3: As a long as a as a long standing Real
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  Speaker 3: Housewives of Atlanta stand I was burned a little bit
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  Speaker 3: to see you calling these other girls the number one,
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  Speaker 3: even though factually it's true.
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  Speaker 4: The stand in me was like, oh that hurt a
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  Speaker 4: little bit, so.
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  Speaker 1: I can kind of see why they ate you.
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  Speaker 2: And guys, this isn't scripted. She never told me that
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  Speaker 2: until now, So why they.
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  Speaker 4: Ate you up a little bit?
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, not that you guys know my intention. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a fan of reality TV. I want all of
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  Speaker 2: us to win, So me saying congratulations was not this
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  Speaker 2: sing alan. It was really celebrating that fact that you know,
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  Speaker 2: they they're they're the number one franchise and anything can
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  Speaker 2: be number one, and I'm always gonna give it its praise.
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  Speaker 1: But if I made you.
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  Speaker 2: Guys feel like I was shading Atlanta, I apologize.
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  Speaker 1: It was my intention.
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  Speaker 2: I at the end of the day, Look, I know
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  Speaker 2: that I'm the King of Reality TV, but the beauty
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  Speaker 2: of me, guys, is although I'm an expert in this field,
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  Speaker 2: I'm also a super fan.
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  Speaker 1: So when you see those.
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  Speaker 2: Moments, guys, know that I'm coming at it as a
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  Speaker 2: super fan.
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  Speaker 5: King at stitra dot com or leave me a voicemail
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  Speaker 1: Ham More Sauce