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Hell and Gone Murder Line: Ieshia Jackson Part 2 · Hell and Gone: Murder Line

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  Speaker 1: School of Humans.
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  Speaker 2: On October thirty first, twenty twenty, twenty, two year old
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: Aisha Jackson went out to a Halloween party. Before she left,
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  Speaker 2: she talked to her mom, Liquida, and then she got
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: into a costume and went out with a couple of
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  Speaker 2: her girlfriends. Ayisha was also with her aunt, Shequila, and
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  Speaker 2: her uncle, William Parker Junior, who goes by the nickname
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  Speaker 2: Thuga Man. Aisha was living on South Roselawn in Eldoredo, Arkansas,
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  Speaker 2: but she had had a few break ins in her
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  Speaker 2: home recently, so because of that, she had been staying
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  Speaker 2: on and off with her uncle William and his wife,
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  Speaker 2: Shequila in their home, which was a few minutes away
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  Speaker 2: on Stewart Avenue. Aisha had mentioned going with William and
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  Speaker 2: Shequila to Houston on November first. William and Shequila had
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: been living in Texas. They were in the process of
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: moving back to Eldredo, so Shequila and William were supposedly
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: going to move some furniture out of their apartment in
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  Speaker 2: Houston and into a storage unit there. Aisha usually stayed
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  Speaker 2: in constant touch with her mom, Liquita. They talked multiple
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  Speaker 2: times per day, but on November one, twenty twenty, Ayisha
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  Speaker 2: went radio silent. Liquita was able to reach her brother
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  Speaker 2: William now. At first, William told Liquita that Ayisha was sleeping.
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  Speaker 2: Liquida kept calling Ayisha's phone, and her daughter never answered.
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  Speaker 2: She finally reached William again at around nine pm that
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  Speaker 2: night on November first. He told Liquita that Aisha had
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  Speaker 2: gone on the Houston trip with him in Shequila, but
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  Speaker 2: that he had already dropped Ayisha back at her home.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Liquita thought this was weird because since the break ends again,
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  Speaker 2: Aisha was afraid of being home by herself. Liquita wondered
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  Speaker 2: why would Aisha not stay with her aunt and uncle
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: at their house. Why would she go home by herself
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: after dark. Liquita spent that night tossing and turning. At
• 2:10
  Speaker 2: around nine am on the morning of November two, she
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  Speaker 2: and Ayisha's brother, Jaiques, who was in high school at
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  Speaker 2: the time, and Liquita's husband, Freddy, got in the car
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  Speaker 2: and drove over to Ayisha's house on South Roselawn. They
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  Speaker 2: found the door cracked open, and when they went in,
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  Speaker 2: the inside of Ayisha's house was in total disarray. Ayisha's
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  Speaker 2: dog was out of the kennel. Her stuff was thrown around,
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  Speaker 2: but nothing was really stolen. Her purse and wallet and
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  Speaker 2: medication were all there, but Ayisha Jackson was gone.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Townsend.
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  Speaker 2: If you have a case you'd like me and my
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  Speaker 2: team to look into, you can reach out to us
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  Speaker 2: at our Helen Gone Murder line at six seven eight
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  Speaker 2: seven four four six one four or five.
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  Speaker 1: That six seven, eight seven four four, six, one four
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  Speaker 1: or five.
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  Speaker 2: This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Last week we mentioned
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  Speaker 2: that Ayisha had recently reported a break in at her home.
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  Speaker 2: There is a police report that we've gotten, and in
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  Speaker 2: a case where there's no sign of the missing person,
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  Speaker 2: there's no body and no real crime scene, at least
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  Speaker 2: not yet, it's very important to take a look at
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  Speaker 2: the physical evidence that we do have and to really
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  Speaker 2: try to go in depth into it. We need to
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  Speaker 2: figure out could the person who broke into Ayisha's home
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  Speaker 2: have anything to do with her disappearance. Ayisha called the
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  Speaker 2: police on October twenty six, twenty twenty, just five days
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  Speaker 2: before she vanished. Officer Tyler Walker of the Eldoredo Police
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  Speaker 2: Department took that call just after one twenty am on
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  Speaker 2: the report. It states that Ayisha told Officer Walker that
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  Speaker 2: she came home on October twenty third, a few days earlier,
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  Speaker 2: and found that someone had been inside her house. She
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  Speaker 2: said nothing had really been stolen, except for some food
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  Speaker 2: from the refrigerator, which she estimated was about two hundred
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  Speaker 2: dollars worth of food. Aisha said the drawers in her
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  Speaker 2: bedroom had been ransacked, but she said she didn't notice
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  Speaker 2: anything missing from there now. At this time, she tells
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  Speaker 2: the officer that she believed that a man that she knew,
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  Speaker 2: a man named Samaji, was responsible for this theft. Remember,
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  Speaker 2: Samaji was a twenty three year old man whom Aisha
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  Speaker 2: had been casually dating. She had recently gotten out of
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  Speaker 2: a long term relationship, and she and Samaji had stopped
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  Speaker 2: seeing each other shortly before she disappeared. But I wonder
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  Speaker 2: whether it was Samaji or not, whoever broke in, what
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  Speaker 2: were they looking for in those drawers?
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  Speaker 1: Later, I do find a possible clue.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen screenshots of Ayisha's Facebook messenger. She sent a
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  Speaker 2: message to a friend after that break in, saying she
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  Speaker 2: noticed that a gun that she had kept hidden in
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  Speaker 2: her underwear drawer had been stolen as well. She said
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  Speaker 2: she didn't even really know how to use a gun. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: almost no one knew that she had it in there,
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  Speaker 2: so she wondered who would have known to look for
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  Speaker 2: it there and to take it out of that drawer.
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  Speaker 2: I've also heard rumors about someone else who knew Ayisha
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  Speaker 2: stealing a bag of drugs and potentially stashing the bag
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  Speaker 2: of drugs in her home, but that's just a rumor
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  Speaker 2: at this point. I have no idea if there's any
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  Speaker 2: truth to that. Back to the police report. In that
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  Speaker 2: police report, the officer noted that Aisha suspected that Samaji
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  Speaker 2: may be responsible for the break in. I'm noticing this
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  Speaker 2: is a slightly different story from what we've heard in
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  Speaker 2: the past. Last week, we mentioned that Ayisha's grandmother, Ernestine,
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  Speaker 2: told reporters after Ayisha went missing that Aisha had come
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  Speaker 2: home and walked in on two guys at her apartment.
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  Speaker 2: Her grandmother said Aisha had definitely recognized one of those
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  Speaker 2: people as Samaji. We're not sure why those stories don't match.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know if maybe Aisha might have had reservations
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  Speaker 2: about getting Samaji in trouble, or maybe she was afraid
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  Speaker 2: to give the police a definite ID, but she did
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  Speaker 2: tell the officer his name, and I just think it's
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: an important distinction to note that in that police report,
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  Speaker 2: she said she believed it was him, not that she
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  Speaker 2: was absolutely certain it was him, not that she walked
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  Speaker 2: in and busted him in her place. After Ayisha reported
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  Speaker 2: this break in, she was put on the special patrol
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  Speaker 2: list by the Eldreeda Police department.
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  Speaker 1: This meant that a.
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  Speaker 2: Patrol car was supposed to make some extra trips and
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  Speaker 2: cruised by her house. Despite that fact, when Laquita contacted
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  Speaker 2: police on November two about Ayisha being missing, police told
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  Speaker 2: her she would have to wait to follow that report, which,
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  Speaker 2: as we discussed last.
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  Speaker 1: Week, is completely incorrect.
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  Speaker 2: You do not have to wait forty two or seventy
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  Speaker 2: two or some magic number of hours to report someone missing.
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  Speaker 2: Liquita kept calling the police, but it was November fifth
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  Speaker 2: before police finally started investigating. Liquida spent days trying to
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  Speaker 2: get someone, anyone to listen and to take her seriously.
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  Speaker 2: And even after Ayisha was officially reported missing and police
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  Speaker 2: had gone to her home, they still didn't take some
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  Speaker 2: basic steps like securing the home treating it as a
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  Speaker 2: crime scene. They also did not take Ayisha's cell phone.
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  Speaker 2: This cell phone is going to become a big part
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  Speaker 2: of this mystery because remember Laquita told us on November two,
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  Speaker 2: she went to Ayisha's apartment. While she and Jacques were
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  Speaker 2: in there, they noticed that Ayisha's phone was there, plugged
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  Speaker 2: into its charger. Liquita said that Shaquila, William's wife took
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  Speaker 2: the phone from her. According to Laquita, Shaquilla did this
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  Speaker 2: because she believed that one of her children would be
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  Speaker 2: able to guess Ayisha's password, but apparently they couldn't, at
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  Speaker 2: least that's the story Liquita was told. So after that,
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  Speaker 2: Liquita was locked out of her daughter's phone. Police did
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  Speaker 2: eventually take Ayisha's phone, but that was several days later,
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  Speaker 2: after November fifth, when she was officially reported missing. So
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: here's the weird part because during that time period between
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: the last time when Ayisha was seen alive on October
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  Speaker 2: thirty first, and when the police took control of that
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  Speaker 2: phone several days later after November fifth, I have heard
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  Speaker 2: that there were text messages coming from Ayisha's phone. Ayisha's
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  Speaker 2: grandmother said that she made a FaceTime call on November
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  Speaker 2: third and that she saw Ayisha in the background when
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  Speaker 2: she made that call, but that's never been confirmed. Another
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  Speaker 2: friend wrote on Facebook that Ayisha was liking reacting to
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: her posts on November fourth, So if that's true and
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  Speaker 2: Ayisha was gone, how is that possible? Who was reacting
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  Speaker 2: to those posts? How did that happen? As we said
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  Speaker 2: last week, there were tips coming in about Aisha once
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  Speaker 2: she was officially reported missing. But I think it's really
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  Speaker 2: important to take a step back and ask ourselves where
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  Speaker 2: these tips were coming from. Remember last week, Liquida and
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  Speaker 2: Jacques ah his brother, said they were suspicious of William
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  Speaker 2: and Shequila. Jacques said that when he and his mother
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  Speaker 2: pulled into Ayisha's driveway on November tewod right before they
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  Speaker 2: found that cell phone plugged into the charger in Ayisha's
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: house ransacked, they noticed that Shaquila had pulled in.
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  Speaker 1: Right behind them.
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  Speaker 2: Jacques and Laqueda both said that they thought it was
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of a red flag that Shaquila was
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  Speaker 2: so emotional. They believed maybe a little overly emotional. Now,
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  Speaker 2: of course, this is Ayisha's aunt, and everyone handles grief
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  Speaker 2: and shock differently. But I can say, as someone who's
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  Speaker 2: done this for a long time, I do notice that
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  Speaker 2: sometimes in cases you will see someone who seems to
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  Speaker 2: show a lot of emotion. They add a lot of
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  Speaker 2: drama to a scene, but don't necessarily help that much.
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  Speaker 2: You may remember from last week that Jacques talked about
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  Speaker 2: the fact Ayisha's family got a tip that Ayisha was
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  Speaker 2: buried in a shallow gray in Strong, Arkansas. So, according
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  Speaker 2: to Laquita's high school friend Rena, who has been helping
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  Speaker 2: her with her daughter's case for the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 2: in early December, Shaquila made a Facebook live asking the
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  Speaker 2: public for help missing for a month, over a month
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  Speaker 2: like like this need like we need.
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  Speaker 1: Help, help like.
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  Speaker 2: Shaquilla was very emotional in this Facebook live. She has
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  Speaker 2: taken it down since, but she was basically begging the
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  Speaker 2: public for help.
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  Speaker 1: She said she wanted anyone.
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  Speaker 2: With a four wheeler or a vehicle that could help
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  Speaker 2: her search to come to the woods near Strong. She
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  Speaker 2: said Aisha had been missing for a month, and she
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  Speaker 2: begged for help. She kept saying, she's been gone a month.
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  Speaker 2: In four days, what are y'all doing talking about the
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  Speaker 2: police department? Now, I've replayed this message over and over
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  Speaker 2: because I notice that la later says publicly on national
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  Speaker 2: television that the last time she saw Ayisha was on
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  Speaker 2: November third, which would have been a month and three days. Now.
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  Speaker 2: This seems like a small discrepancy, but as you'll see,
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  Speaker 2: this timeline and getting it right is absolutely crucial. In
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  Speaker 2: this FaceTime live, Shaquila mentions that Ayisha was in love
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  Speaker 2: with white boys. She says something about white boys taking
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  Speaker 2: Ayisha out of her house. It seems likely she's referring
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  Speaker 2: to Ayisha's long term ex boyfriend, who was white, because
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  Speaker 2: Ayisha had very recently broken up with his person Jacques
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  Speaker 2: talked last week about Ayisha's long term boyfriend. He said
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: this guy completely loved Ayisha, that he was very cooperative,
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  Speaker 2: that he had an alibi, and that he helped search
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  Speaker 2: for her. And there's never been any suggestion that this
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  Speaker 2: ex could have been involved with Aisha's.
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  Speaker 1: Disappearance at all.
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  Speaker 2: Ayisha's own family said that the guy Ayisha suspected of
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  Speaker 2: being in her home was not her ex boyfriend, but
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  Speaker 2: was Samaji, who was black. According to her family, she
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  Speaker 2: had been seeing Samaji casually shortly before she disappeared. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just flagging this up because I'm wondering why this statement
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  Speaker 2: was made by Shaquila about a white guy supposedly taking
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  Speaker 2: Ayisha out of her home. It seems to kind of
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: come out of the blue. On November eighth, twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 2: a witness was out in the woods. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to say exactly what this person was doing or give
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  Speaker 2: their name because they are very afraid of retribution from
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  Speaker 2: the people they saw. And honestly, I can understand why.
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  Speaker 1: This witness saw a car pull up.
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  Speaker 2: They saw two men get out of that car and
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  Speaker 2: pop the trunk and then pull a bulky item that
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: was wrapped in a blanket out of that trunk. The
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  Speaker 2: driver of the car, who the witness could not see,
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  Speaker 2: then drove down the road, leaving the two men alone.
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  Speaker 2: The two men took that bulky object wrapped in a
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  Speaker 2: blanket and walked into the woods. Then a little while later,
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  Speaker 2: after this car dropped these two men off in the woods,
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  Speaker 2: this witness said they saw the same vehicle come back, pick.
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  Speaker 1: Up the two men, and leave the area.
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  Speaker 2: While this witness observed the two men take the item
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  Speaker 2: from the trunk and go into the woods, they said
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: that they were scared. They were completely quiet, and they
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: told their children who were with them to stay completely quiet.
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  Speaker 2: This person was scared of what those men could be
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  Speaker 2: doing out there, and over the next few weeks, even
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  Speaker 2: though he had been really freaked out, he told himself
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  Speaker 2: maybe he'd blown it out of proportion in his mind.
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  Speaker 2: Then you may remember from last week in December of
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty, Samaji, the twenty three year old man whom
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  Speaker 2: Aisha had been dating casually, was arrested and police were
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  Speaker 2: filing charges of capital murder and kidnapping against him. This
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  Speaker 2: witness saw this on the news about Samaji being arrested.
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  Speaker 2: He got very scared because he thought there could be
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  Speaker 2: a chance that maybe he had seen something related Diaisha's disappearance,
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: and maybe the thing that those guys had been moving
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: out in the woods that day was a body. So
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  Speaker 2: he called the police and told them about what he saw.
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  Speaker 2: Police did come to the area and they did search
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  Speaker 2: for a few hours. This witness believed they found a shirt,
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  Speaker 2: but we have no idea whose shirt it was, whether
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: it was sent into evidence, or if it was in
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  Speaker 2: any way connected Diaisha's case. In the end, like so
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: many leads in this case, it turned out to be
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: seemingly yet another dead end. At different points in the investigation,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: it did start to seem to certain members of Ayisha's family,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: like Shaquila and William, were trying to point fingers in
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  Speaker 2: certain directions, first toward the long term X and later
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  Speaker 2: towards Sumaji. Then on December thirteenth, twenty twenty, police announced
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  Speaker 2: they made another arrest in the case, a man named
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  Speaker 2: Kenneth Lee. We talked about this last week, how Kenneth
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  Speaker 2: Lee was charged with extortion.
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  Speaker 1: Basically what happened was he said he had.
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  Speaker 2: Information about Aysha's case, but he said he would only
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  Speaker 2: give it to the family if they paid him eight
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars. It turned out this information was a lie.
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  Speaker 2: He had made up a story. The whole thing was basically.
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  Speaker 1: A scam to get money.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not the whole story because it turns out
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  Speaker 2: that the chain of events that led to Kenneth's arrests
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  Speaker 2: also involved Ayisha's uncle, William Parker. So again we need
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  Speaker 2: to take a look at how this all went down now.
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  Speaker 2: According to police records, on just number twelfth, Kenneth Lee
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  Speaker 2: saw William on the.
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  Speaker 1: Side of the road. He pulled over.
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  Speaker 2: He told William he had information about Aisha, but he
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  Speaker 2: said it would cost her family eight thousand dollars. Now
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  Speaker 2: at that point, according to the police report, William said
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  Speaker 2: he would try to get the money together.
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  Speaker 1: So they made a plan.
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  Speaker 2: William would make some calls about the money and call
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  Speaker 2: Kenneth back, which he did, and that night they met
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  Speaker 2: up on the side of the road. William got into
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  Speaker 2: Kenneth's car. But what Kenneth didn't know was that William
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: was wearing a wire a video camera the Elderrated Police
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  Speaker 2: Department had given him. This also seems strange to me,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, because this all happened within a twenty
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  Speaker 2: four hour period. This seems very quick to go to
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  Speaker 2: the police, tell him you have a potential tip and
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: get wired up and get approval to be wired up.
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  Speaker 2: So I do wonder how did that happen so fast?
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  Speaker 2: Is it possible William was already working with the police
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  Speaker 2: in some capacity. So anyway, now Kenneth and William were
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  Speaker 2: sitting in the car on the side of the road.
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  Speaker 2: Kenneth called this other party who supposedly had the information.
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  Speaker 2: That person picked up the phone and said that they
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  Speaker 2: had overheard Samaji tell two other guys that he Samaji
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  Speaker 2: had paid ten thousand dollars to kidnap Aisha, and the
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: reason he did this, according to this third party, was
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: because Ayisha had been stealing methamphetamine from him, and he
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: allegedly had video of Aisha stealing methamphetamine from his stash
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  Speaker 2: of drugs he kept at home. So this person said
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Samaji had killed Aisha by hitting her over the head
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: several times with a hammer. Then Samaji supposedly took Ayisha's body,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: traveled to a deer camp off Highway sixty three and
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  Speaker 2: buried her body in a shallow grave. William caught everything
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  Speaker 2: that happened on this video camera and after he finished
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  Speaker 2: up with Kenneth, he went straight to the Eldoredo Police department.
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  Speaker 2: He gave them the recording device and after that Kenneth
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  Speaker 2: was arrested. Police, also, by the way, contacted this third
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: person who William and Kenneth were talking to on the phone.
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  Speaker 2: The person basically told police the whole thing had been
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: a scam. He said, yes, he had made the call,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: but he said Kenneth had set the whole thing up.
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  Speaker 2: This person said Kenneth had come to them and said
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: they could make some easy money by selling the information
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: to Ayesha's family. Now we said the last week this
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: whole thing was just a hoax. But I think it's
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: very interesting that it didn't just come out of thin air. Again,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: this was information that William was connected to that he
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: brought the police. As we said last week, the extortion
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  Speaker 2: charges against Kenneth were later dropped and the charges against
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Samaji were dropped as well. As the weeks and months
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: went on and this became more of a cold case.
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  Speaker 2: What seems to have happened here is, unfortunately what happens
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  Speaker 2: in so many cases. The family appears to be divided.
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  Speaker 2: So on the one side you have jack Ques and Liquida,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: and then on the other side you have people who
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: may be supporting William. Some of this could be because
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: some people don't want to believe it's possible for a
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: family member to have done anything like this, And I'm
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: just speculating here, but people could be scared William does
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: have a criminal background, and given William's prior arrests, in
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: the fact that a lot of them were for drugs,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: some people wondered what actually happened on the road to Houston.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Was furniture the real reason why they made that trip,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: or could there have been something else possibly some kind
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: of drug deal going on. Let's get into William Parker
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Junior's criminal history. We know he had several convictions related
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: to drug charges in the past, and he's encountered some
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: dangerous situations. Back in twenty thirteen, when he was thirty
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: years old, the Eldedo News Times reported William was almost
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: murdered during an alleged drug deal gone wrong. The newspaper
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: quoted an arrest affidavit and said William testified that he
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: went to a residence to make a drug deal. He
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: said when he went inside, he was shot multiple times.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: When police went to the hospital in Little Rock where
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: William was having surgery on his john stomach, they interviewed
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: him and he was able to identify the three men
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: who he said shot him, but later he retracted that statement.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: He said, yes, the three guys he mentioned were at
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the residence when he was there, but he said he
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: was shot by an unidentified man and he had been
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: shot from behind, so he couldn't tell who did it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: So the three alleged shooters got off lightly. One got
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: probation because of a past robbery conviction. The charges against
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the other two were dismissed completely. William has been involved
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: with some dangerous people, and he's allegedly been involved in
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: some much darker things. Since Aisha's disappearance, William has been
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: arrested and charge was sexual assault, including sexual indecency with
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: a child. He's not the only man in Ayisha's life
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that has had these types of charges filed against him.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: In September of twenty twenty three, Samaji, the man who
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I usual had been dating, was also charged with sexual
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: indecency with a child and second degree sexual assault. I've
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: read the arrest Afi David, and these charges are extremely disturbing.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to invade the victim's privacy, but I
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: will say the alleged incident took place late in twenty
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: twenty two and it involved an eight year old girl.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: She said she was at home with some other children
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: and Samaji told the other children to go to bed
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: and then asked her if she wanted to say her ABC's.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Then she said he said he would give her a
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: prize if she finished. She told the interviewer that after that,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Samaji put a blindfold on her, grabbed her sleeve and
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: put her hand.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: On his penis.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Now, this case and William's case are both still making
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: their ways through the court system, but these charges are horrifying.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And I'm pointing this out because none of this proves
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: that William or Samaji had anything to do with Aisha's disappearance.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: But from the standpoint of a police investigator, they have
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: to notice there was more than one man in Aisha
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Jackson's orbit who had a potentially violent criminal record and
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: drug charges and sexual assault charges. We know that in
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Samaji's case, he was obviously a person of interest from
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the beginning, but as the case moved forward, police found
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: no evidence to tie him to Aisha's disappearance. The only
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: clue they had seemed to be the fact that Ayisha
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: suspected him of being inside her house when she wasn't there.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: But they had no dispute that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: We know of or any animal, And from what we know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Samaji was not around Aisha on Halloween night. Given Williams
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: past and the fact that he and Shaquila were the
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: last known people to see Ayishaw live, a lot of
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: people wondered why he wasn't considered, at the minimum a
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: person of interest, which brings us back to this trip
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to Houston, because police said early on they verified that
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Ayisha was in Houston with a family member, but later Rena,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Laquita's friend communicated via email and I've seen those emails.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: She was emailing an officer who admitted police could not
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: verify Ayisha's location after October thirty. First, did Aisha ever
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: really go to Houston? Did she ever really leave Arkansas? So,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: as Jacques, Liquita and the rest of the family are
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: hearing these rumors going around, one of the big things
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: that Jacques wanted was for William and Shaquila to volunte
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: harrily take light detector tests to as Jacques put it clear.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Their names.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: So Jacques was kind of calling out Shaquila on social media.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Then he said she put a post on her Facebook page.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: She said what y'all don't know is basically, we did
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: go to the police and take a lot of detector
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: test and passed.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: But Jacques said that post was later removed.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: After months had gone by and he wasn't getting any
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: answers from police.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Jacques said he was desperate for help.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: He contacted several shows, including the Steve Wilcost Show. So
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: quick side note for people who have not seen this show.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Steve Wilcos is a former law enforcement officer, and he
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: was also Jerry Springer's bodyguard on the Jerry Springer Show.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: So over the years Steve kind of became a character
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: in his own right. He's got this very blunt persona
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: and a big part of his show is taking people
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: and giving them light detector tests, and the tone of
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: the show is much than Jerry Springer.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: You have people who are.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Accusing family members of molestation, theft, murder, really everything under
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: the sun. William was not on the show, but Shaquila
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: agreed to appear and to go on the show and
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: take a lot of detector test. The show aired on
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: November first, twenty twenty three. The title of the show
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: was I Want my Sister Back Dead or Alive. Now, yes,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: this is a talk show, it is entertainment, but I
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: really applaud Jaquez here because, in my opinion, this was
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: a pretty ingenious way of getting Shaquila to talk to
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: people about what happened on the record and in whatever
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: roundabout way to get a light of detector test. It's
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: always a good idea in cases like this to keep
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: people talking because sooner or later, I believe most of
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: them will trip up. Having a record of those contradictions
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: is what can ultimately break a case, and that's why
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I go so in depth into all these details.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: So I've seen the show. Jacques appears first.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: He talks about Ayisha, and he said that Shaquila, in
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: his opinion, had been, in his words, giving us the
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: run around for years. He said, point blank he thinks
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: that his AUNTI Shaquila, had something to do with the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: disappearance of Aisha, or at least he said, he believes
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: she knows more than she's saying. And you really feel
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: for Jaques when you watch this because he explains how
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: after his sister disappeared, he was bullied at school. People
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: were saying he was weird. Some of them even alleged
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: he had something to do with Ayisha's disappearance. Jacques started
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: to wonder about the LA detector test because he said
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Shaquila had posted on Facebook that she had taken one
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: and passed it. Jacques called the police detective who was
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: working the case, and he says that the police told
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: him this was not true, that William and Shaquila had
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: not taken light of detector tests. So on the show,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Jaques confronts her about this lat of detector test.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Kuila comes out she's very angry.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: She says she's not a monster, she loved Ayisha and
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: this is all false accusations against her. At that moment,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: all hell basically broke loose. Jacques and Shaequila started physically fighting.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: He was screaming at her, he was shaking and asking if.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: She had something to do with it.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Steve Wilcos asked her about what happened on the day
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: when Aisha went missing.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Her reply was very interesting because.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: She says, quote November three, to be exact, we first
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: went to Houston to move some stuff out of my
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: old apartment because I was getting ready to get back
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: to Arkansas. We put the stuff into storage, and we
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: came back to Arkansas, dropped her off at home. I
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: walked her in, and me and Thugaman meaning William gave
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: her some decorations and stuff end quote. So she told
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Steve Wilcost they were the last two people to see
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: her alive. She said she didn't have the slightest idea
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: what happened to Ayisha, and that she wanted to be
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: on the show so they could find out what happened
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: to her and also to clear her name. So a
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: couple of things are interesting about this First of all,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: she says November three, but Laquita insists that they were
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: all at the home on November two, So how could
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: the trip to Houston have taken place on November third?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: And if it did, why didn't Aisha answer the phone
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: between November one and November third?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: What was going on during that time?
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Someone is wrong about these dates and the police are
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: not exploring these contradictions. Shaquila did admit that she did
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: not take a lot detector test, so at least that
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: was cleared up.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: She said police told.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Her and William they didn't need to take one because
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: they were not suspects. Jaques then asked, well, okay, if
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: he didn't take a lot of detector test, why did
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: you make a Facebook post saying you had. She says
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: she didn't make that post, so again another contradiction that
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: needs to be explored. Shaquilla says some other interesting and
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, potentially revealing things whi she's on stage.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I would actually love to see the rest of the tape,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the part of these interviews that did not make it
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: to error, but I don't know if that'll ever happen.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: The other interesting part was when Steve Wilcos asked Shaquilla
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: if she thought William could have had anything to do
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: with it. She said, quote, at the time we dropped
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: her off, no, now if he doubled.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Back, I can't speak to that end quote.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: So she's saying right there that in her mind, it's
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: possible that William did go back to Aisha's home and
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: do something to her. Steve Wilcos asked her what made
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: her change her mind about William and think he could
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: have had something to do with it. She talked about
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: stuff she found out. What did she mean there?
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: And she said.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Basically that the stuff was accusations of sexual assault.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Because it turned out that Shaquila.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Believed that her husband, William, may have sexually assaulted Aisha,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: his own niece. So now we're hearing this bombshell news
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: that there was an accusation that William had sexually assaulted Aisha.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: On the show, Shaquilla said that she and William were
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: not together anymore. The whole timeline of their relationship is
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: a little bit unclear because according to court records, Shaquilla
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: filed for divorce on March first, twenty nineteen, so more
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: than a year before Ayisha went missing. The divorce was
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: finalized in early twenty twenty, So it does seem like
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: they were on and off for a while, but family
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: members say that William and Shequilla were together at the
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: time Aisha disappeared. Like many people, I'm wondering what exactly
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: did Shaquilla.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Know and when did she know it.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: After all that drama, Steve Wilkos came out with his
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: envelope and he revealed the results of Shaquila's law detector test. Now,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: obviously I just want to say these results are not
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: admissible in court, and there's a good reason for that.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: And with this test, we don't know who administered it.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: The reliability of these tests is really dependent on the
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: skill of the operator. So I am not saying in
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: any way this is one hundred percent certain, but it
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: is interesting. By the way, when Steve asked Shaquilla who
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: she thought was responsible for Aisha's disappearance, she said she
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: thought it was one of Ayisha's boyfriends. So the first
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: question that the lie detector test ash Shequilla was were
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: you involved in the disappearance of Ayisha Jackson? She said no,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: and they determined that she was telling the truth. Then
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: the second question was do you know for sure who
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: is involved in the disappearance of Ayisha Jackson. She said no,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: and the results were that she did not tell the truth. Now,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: after that result was read, all hell broke loose again.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Jacques was crying and looked like he was trying to
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: fight his ann again.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: You could just see the devastation and it was genuine.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I know people say that sometimes these shows are fake,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: but this was absolutely genuine. After that, Shaquila seems like
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: she's kind of trying to explain how that result happened.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: She said she started to have suspicions about William because
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: she saw a video, a video where William allegedly admitted
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: that he essayed someone. Essay, by the way, means sexual assault.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I wonder if she's talking about a TikTok video, because
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: this TikTok video put a shocking twist in this case.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: The person who made it, Rob, was an old friend
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: of Rena's who got involved with.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: The case and was trying to help.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: And as part of this TikTok, Rob put up a
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: conversation that Rena had with the mayor of Elddo, Arkansas,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Paul Choate, on February first, twenty twenty three, just a
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: little bit of background on that Rena had been asking
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: the mayor for months to meet with her. He finally
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: agreed and she took her friend Joanna and another person
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: with her, so three people were present when this conversation
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: took place. Rena recorded it and later she passed it
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: on to Rob Now. In this TikTok video, Rob mentions
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: that a police detective assigned to the case allegedly said
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: that Ayisha's uncle had essayed her in the past, meaning
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: sexually assaulted, and that it could be proven.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: But they also supposedly said.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: They weren't really looking into William because his alibi sounded credible.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: The Eldado mayor told Rena that if she keeps pushing
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: the police department, if they expose potential mistakes they made,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: that they're going to get frozen out and they need
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to drop it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: I should be able to say this department did not
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: follow the correct policy and procedure and we shouldn't try
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: to cover that.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: You will alienate yourself from any communication with police Clarks.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: What do you mean if that's us let out that
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: they that they had not followed properly. Okay, but that's
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: still not But it's the truth. So you tell me
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: stick to facts. That's a fact.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Go and see what happens.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Mean, but do what and see what I can do?
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: What and see what happens. If you say they're not following.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: If you've become accusatory, that's not accusing.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: That's a fact.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Rob makes a good point in his TikTok. He goes
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: on to say that hundreds of thousands of young women
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: go missing every year in the United States, a disproportionate
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: number of Black women, and often these are the stories
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: that get forgotten by the media.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: It's absolutely ridiculous that a young woman can just disappear
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: like this and nobody gives a shit. It's even more
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: frustrating that people who are supposed to be helping or
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: just brushing it off and not taking it seriously. It's
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: also worth noting a third of the almost three hundred
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: thousand girls and women reported the missing in the US
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: and twenty twenty we're black. If those cases often get
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: little attention, are all but ignored by law enforcement and
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: national news media. Ayasha's case is just one example of
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: the many missing black women who don't get the attention
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: they deserve.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: But we're not going to forget about Ayisha Jackson because
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: at this point, her family, her mother, her brother, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: everyone in the community wants answers. And I want to reiterate,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: neither William nor Shaquila have been charged with anything or
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: even named people of interest by police to my knowledge.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I'm really not trying to point the finger at anyone.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I am trying to point out these inconsistencies because the
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: devils in the details. These inconsistencies need to be resolved
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: and explained, and if the police would take a closer
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: look at them, I really believe that they could solve
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: this case. And the other thing that we really need
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: in this case is because we've been hearing for years
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: that the last time Ayisha was seen was on November fourth,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: and that's in the original police report, we need the
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: public to know that is incorrect. The last time that
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Ayisha was seen alive that we know of was October
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: thirty first, twenty twenty. That's the crucial time period. If
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: you know of anyone who was around in El Dorado
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: near Ayisha or any of her friends and family on
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: October twenty first to November two, twenty twenty, we want
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: to hear from you the last picture that we have
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: of Ayisha is Aisha in her purge costume posing with
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: her girlfriends at the gas station. She looked like everything
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: was fine and she was looking forward to a night out.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: And you may remember from last.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Week one of Ayisha's girlfriends said that William was talking
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: about going to Houston. He wanted her the friend to
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: go with him and Ayisha to Houston. The friend said no,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: and she said on social media William was acting weird
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: about that. So what really happened after Ayisha, William and
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Shaquila left Ayisha's other girlfriends. What happened next? Did they
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: go back to Stuart Avenue? At any point to William
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: and Shaquilla's house. There was a neighbor on Stuart Avenue
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: who was making posts on Halloween knight, and we know
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: that this neighbor was having a party. Now, these are
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: small houses, they're very close to each other. There's no fences,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: So if there was a party going on at the
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: neighbors it seems likely that someone would have seen Aisha round.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: We need to talk to those people. We need to
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: know if she really went to that party, did she
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: go to Houston? What really happened to Aisha? On Halloween
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: night and in the early morning hours of November First.
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