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The Secrets to Avoiding Hair Disasters and Achieving Gorgeous Locks in Midlife · Create The Best Me

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  Carmen Hecox: Welcome to Create The Best Me.
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  Carmen Hecox: I am Carmen Hecox, a personal development coach, and I am so excited to be connecting with you today.
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  Carmen Hecox: Whether you're listening to the podcast or joining us on YouTube, my goal is to help women navigate through midlife challenges with compassion, inspiration, and empowering conversations.
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  Carmen Hecox: Each week we'll dive into thought-provoking topics, designed to build self-confidence, overcome invisible women's syndrome, and find the courage to create the best version of yourself.
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  Carmen Hecox: I'll also be joined by expert guest who will share the wisdom and insights, so make yourself comfortable and let's embark on this journey together.
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  Carmen Hecox: Hello, beautiful ladies and welcome to another episode of Create The Best Me, where we empower women in midlife to dream big and live a life filled with joy and fulfillment.
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  Carmen Hecox: I am your host, Carmen Hecox, and today we have a special guest, Paige Logan, a talented hairstylist and the owner of Sloan Wilder Salon in Sacramento.
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  Carmen Hecox: Paige has worked her magic on my hair, transforming it from a damaged over process hair to gorgeous healthy hair you see today.
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  Carmen Hecox: In this episode we'll dive into the importance of communication with your hair stylist, how to avoid hair disasters and maintaining healthy hair in midlife.
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  Carmen Hecox: So let's get started and learn from the expert herself.
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  Carmen Hecox: Hey, Paige Logan, welcome to Create the Best Me.
• 1:37
  Carmen Hecox: I am so happy to have you on the show.
• 1:40
  Paige Logan: Thank you for having me, Carmen.
• 1:41
  Paige Logan: I'm excited to be here.
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  Carmen Hecox: Great, so for the people that don't know you, or I know you and I love you, but tell the audience a little bit about yourself
• 1:50
  Paige Logan: I own Sloan Wilder Salon in Sacramento.
• 1:52
  Paige Logan: I've owned it for the last two and a half years, and I've been a hairstylist for.
• 1:56
  Paige Logan: 15 years plus.
• 1:58
  Paige Logan: And kind of how I got into the whole hair business is I lived in a really small town of 3,500 people up in Burney California.
• 2:06
  Paige Logan: And my cousin worked at AJF Salon in downtown Sac.
• 2:11
  Paige Logan: And it used to be owned, it was owned by the Federico family.
• 2:14
  Paige Logan: And so I would go to her house over the summers and She would give me these crazy hairdos and I was like one of the only girls from my hip town that had this like wild, eccentric hair.
• 2:25
  Paige Logan: It was like, you know, runway hair.
• 2:27
  Paige Logan: And I just loved her ability to create something new and make people feel great.
• 2:32
  Paige Logan: And so by my senior year, I knew I definitely wanted to be a hairstylist.
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  Paige Logan: And at the time I thought I'm gonna move to this big, huge city and do this whole hair dream.
• 2:42
  Paige Logan: And so I did, and my parents got me an apartment here.
• 2:44
  Paige Logan: I got into Federico Beauty school and I loved it.
• 2:48
  Paige Logan: And then right out of beauty school, I ended up working for a man named Tosche and he was a very famous stylist in Sacramento and I loved him and he taught me, I learned more over that three years, than I ever could have imagined.
• 3:03
  Paige Logan: And he was so passionate about hair and he just loved it.
• 3:07
  Paige Logan: And my love grew through working with him.
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  Paige Logan: So after I transitioned it, from working from him I went on to work at a couple different salons.
• 3:15
  Paige Logan: I worked in San Francisco for a while on the cutting edge of a new product line, which was really exciting at the time.
• 3:22
  Paige Logan: And then over the last two years, I've opened up a salon and it's named after my daughter.
• 3:27
  Paige Logan: And, I'm really proud of it and it's in the heart of Midtown and, I've always loved working in Midtown.
• 3:32
  Paige Logan: It makes you feel like you're a part of something.
• 3:35
  Paige Logan: so yeah, I'm very excited to be here and share with you, stuff about hair.
• 3:40
  Carmen Hecox: That is so cool that you mentored under an expert or someone who is so passionate about the same thing that you're passionate about.
• 3:46
  Carmen Hecox: So it's just like you're playing.
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  Paige Logan: Right.
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  Paige Logan: Yeah he was a gifted artist, and I mean, people would travel and at the time paid so much to get a haircut from him, and he was booked almost every 30 minutes, and I was his assistant and he just, he loved it.
• 3:59
  Paige Logan: And, I definitely got that passion from him and carry that on to what I do now.
• 4:03
  Carmen Hecox: So how do you stay updated with the latest trends and techniques?
• 4:07
  Paige Logan: That is so true Hair is constantly changing and the good part about hair nowadays is you can follow your famous hairstylist online and people will give you formulas and ideas and there's so much creativity in classes you can find online.
• 4:21
  Paige Logan: And then also just continuing to stay up on the trends by taking classes and really learning from people you work with too.
• 4:28
  Paige Logan: And hair is a collaborative thing and there's certain things you don't always think of to do and you work with your friends at your work and online and you know, it makes you a better stylist.
• 4:38
  Carmen Hecox: Do you have a favorite hair trend?
• 4:40
  Paige Logan: I do.
• 4:41
  Paige Logan: I tend to like the real, like the lived in color, something a little bit more natural.
• 4:45
  Paige Logan: I love the lob right now.
• 4:47
  Paige Logan: The lob is kind of made a return.
• 4:49
  Paige Logan: And, yeah, I, I like probably a more natural look than looks like, it's like a spruce step version of your normal self.
• 4:55
  Carmen Hecox: So let me tell you a little story.
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  Carmen Hecox: Uh, there was a woman in midlife who was frustrated with her hair because she felt like it lost its texture shine, but most of all it was gray.
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  Carmen Hecox: She wondered if she stopped dye her hair, would the texture and shine be restored?
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  Carmen Hecox: Would her hair stop thinning out cuz she was getting, having some thinning out issues and she questioned whether she was ready for gray hair.
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  Carmen Hecox: She noticed there was a trend, or there's been a trend with younger women who purposely have dyed their hair gray, white, silver.
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  Carmen Hecox: And one day as she was scrolling through social media, she noticed many women in midlife were scheduling appointments to see a popular hairstylist famously known for dying women's hair gray.
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  Carmen Hecox: If this renowned hairstylist was dying women's hair gray and they didn't have to wait months or years to get to that, why not ask her own hairstylist?
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  Carmen Hecox: Unbeknownst to her, the reason women flock from all over the world to see this particular hairstylist because going gray is not a simple task and it can be very harmful for mature hair.
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  Carmen Hecox: Too bad she learned the hard way and was left with overprocessed, stretchy, dry, frizzy, and unmanageable hair that continues to break with the slight touch of her hand.
• 6:14
  Carmen Hecox: She wondered if following this crazy trend was the beginning of living with damaged hair.
• 6:21
  Carmen Hecox: And you know, Paige, that was me.
• 6:22
  Paige Logan: Person was you, that person was definitely you.
• 6:27
  Carmen Hecox: And so the reason I asked you to come on to the show is because that is how you and I met.
• 6:34
  Carmen Hecox: We met through this horror story of me trying to follow this trend.
• 6:39
  Carmen Hecox: So Let's go back to back then when you and I first met back in 2020 and you saw this woman walk in your salon with the most fried dry hair you've ever seen.
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  Carmen Hecox: I mean, look at those pictures right there.
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  Carmen Hecox: I mean, right there's what walked into your shop?
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  Paige Logan: I remember at the time when you walked in, it's like we did, we couldn't even realize the, there was another stylist that worked there with me, Mac and we, we had no idea how bad it was until you actually sat down on the chair.
• 7:08
  Paige Logan: It's like, and then we started, we're feeling through your hair and I'm.
• 7:11
  Paige Logan: You know, you had told me you wanted to go gray and just the concern in both of our faces after touching your hair because it really had been over-processed and it was kind of, you had come from dark hair, so maybe three levels lighter, that like medium, reddish, but it was extremely damaged and very concerning to start taking you to the next step.
• 7:31
  Paige Logan: So we yeah, we had very long conversation on how to approach that because, you know, it wasn't a simple task.
• 7:37
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, and I I remember sitting in the chair and looking at you and said, this is the mess I have.
• 7:43
  Carmen Hecox: I want to go gray.
• 7:44
  Carmen Hecox: I want you to dye my hair gray.
• 7:46
  Carmen Hecox: And so, I had told you this is what I want.
• 7:49
  Carmen Hecox: And so, you had to try to figure out, okay, how do I do this?
• 7:53
  Carmen Hecox: So tell me what were you thinking?
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  Paige Logan: I mean, definitely concerned and really trying to work through your hair and see what the integrity felt like and, trying to be very honest with you that what we were going to do would damage your hair even further, and it was gonna be a lot longer.
• 8:09
  Paige Logan: Process than what it was.
• 8:11
  Paige Logan: And I know, I remember looking at my coworker and being like, okay, help me come up with like a way to get her there with doing the least amount of damage to her hair.
• 8:19
  Paige Logan: Because you were, it was it the texture didn't even, it was like crunchy in your hands.
• 8:26
  Paige Logan: And so, but we also wanted to make you look better and feel better that day.
• 8:29
  Paige Logan: So it's like the least of the evil approaches, right.
• 8:32
  Paige Logan: To try and get your hair fixed and in the direction that you wanted.
• 8:36
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, I remember, to be honest with you, I was kind of embarrassed to go out because I'm used to having hair that looks like it does right And I could not like I said, just touching it, it broke.
• 8:50
  Carmen Hecox: Brushing it, washing it, it broke.
• 8:53
  Carmen Hecox: And I was scared to even put it in a ponytail because when I take the, wrap that I'd used for my hair, there was a hair in there.
• 9:00
  Carmen Hecox: And that's why I went to you cuz I'm like this girl's save me.
• 9:03
  Paige Logan: Well, thankfully, your hair is back to being beautiful, but I mean, it did take us a very long time and, we used, the least invasive product that we could to start transitioning you to that gray and just making your color a little bit more even because you just had tons of bands of different shades in your hair.
• 9:19
  Paige Logan: And so, I know we took you like, our first step was taking you just a little bit more ashy, a little bit more cool going in the gray direction and, um, it wasn't your dream color.
• 9:28
  Paige Logan: And all of us were like, this is the first step to get your hair in the right direction.
• 9:32
  Paige Logan: But, you know, I tried to make it very clear when we did talk, but it wasn't gonna be a color that you weren't in love with or was your ultimate.
• 9:40
  Paige Logan: It was just the first part of the journey of it.
• 9:44
  Carmen Hecox: So, coming from a professional as yourself, so that way a listener or a viewer doesn't have to go through the traumatic event that I went through.
• 9:53
  Carmen Hecox: What would you suggest someone do or, explore before sitting in that chair, walking in that salon and telling their hairdresser, I have dark hair color make my hair gray.
• 10:04
  Paige Logan: Yeah I mean, I think an important thing, and like you said, the chasing the trend thing.
• 10:07
  Paige Logan: I think that chasing the trend can be, a dangerous game to play because you're looking at these people for one, their photos have been edited.
• 10:15
  Paige Logan: There's different lighting.
• 10:17
  Paige Logan: You may look completely different from them, and so, but you're wanting this hair color and so really trying to be honest with yourself, not bringing in a photo with somebody that has all this hair and maybe has different skin tones and expecting it to look the same because, um, it's, it's definitely, it's, it's different for each person.
• 10:34
  Paige Logan: And so really trying to find a look that looks best on you.
• 10:37
  Paige Logan: And I would say when you come into your stylist, bringing plenty of photos, maybe buying some cheap wigs on Amazon to kind of try out.
• 10:45
  Paige Logan: Um, doing a few different things and then, there's apps you can use as well, a Face Tune app, different color lines, Redkin, L'Oreal have apps as well that you can use to kind of see what looks good on you, but really being honest with yourself too on the type of, who you're seeing and if is her hair similar.
• 11:03
  Carmen Hecox: Exactly, you tried to satisfy me and I remember you told me getting there is going to be a process because I want it to be a safe process for you.
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  Carmen Hecox: I don't want to continue to harm your hair.
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  Carmen Hecox: And so you said, let's start off with ash and we'll slowly, maybe it may take about a year because there's a lot of damage there, to get there.
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  Carmen Hecox: And so I, bought into what you said, okay.
• 11:26
  Carmen Hecox: This is a slow process.
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  Carmen Hecox: And like you had mentioned once I was in maybe three or four months into it, I told you, I says, I don't like this ash.
• 11:36
  Carmen Hecox: And you said, this is getting you to gray.
• 11:39
  Carmen Hecox: So this is, a couple hues before you get to gray and we're getting you there.
• 11:44
  Carmen Hecox: And I realized through this process that you sold to me, that this is how we're gonna get there.
• 11:51
  Carmen Hecox: That this wasn't a color that I was ready to accept for me.
• 11:55
  Carmen Hecox: I mean, maybe some women they'll accept it, but it wasn't the me that I'm used to seeing in the.
• 12:01
  Carmen Hecox: mirror
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  Paige Logan: And I think that's such an important part is, you know, with the trend, chasing and thinking you might like something is like whatever you love on yourself is projected.
• 12:10
  Paige Logan: And so if you don't like your hair color, you're gonna feel crummy and not great about yourself.
• 12:14
  Paige Logan: And I have to be honest, I was happy when you said you didn't want to go towards the gray direction.
• 12:19
  Paige Logan: I was like, thank goodness, because I did think that you looked better with some warmth on your face, and I didn't think it was the time that you needed to transition and you felt so much better.
• 12:29
  Paige Logan: I remember when we put color back into your hair, it was like, oh my gosh, I feel like myself again.
• 12:34
  Paige Logan: Your husband loved it.
• 12:35
  Paige Logan: It projected all over you that you felt like you owned your hair again.
• 12:39
  Paige Logan: And so the difference between now and the ash is night and day.
• 12:44
  Carmen Hecox: I felt more like me and you helped me.
• 12:48
  Carmen Hecox: You didn't tell me no, I'm not gonna do it.
• 12:49
  Carmen Hecox: You didn't play like, teacher, this is what you're gonna do and this is how it's gonna be.
• 12:53
  Carmen Hecox: You listen to me, and then you allowed me to accept that this was me.
• 12:59
  Carmen Hecox: This isn't who I am.
• 13:00
  Carmen Hecox: This isn't who I want to be.
• 13:02
  Paige Logan: Mm-hmm yeah, I mean it's a difficult role as a stylist is trying to appease your client and make them happy and give them what they want, but also running that line with.
• 13:11
  Paige Logan: I know you're not gonna like it.
• 13:13
  Paige Logan: And sometimes it is experimenting and trying new things that maybe you think they don't like.
• 13:18
  Paige Logan: And, you know, there's times when I'm wrong too.
• 13:19
  Paige Logan: They might end up loving the color that I wasn't sure of.
• 13:22
  Paige Logan: So it's, it's a good, uh, reason to communicate and trust each other, but also be very transparent and honest about how it, what it takes to get there.
• 13:31
  Carmen Hecox: So someone like me who made the decision that I'm not ready to go.
• 13:35
  Carmen Hecox: there.
• 13:36
  Carmen Hecox: How can women like me that are in midlife, or even like some young women, because I started graying when I was 21 years old, how can they hide their gray hair?
• 13:46
  Carmen Hecox: And what are some tips for maintaining their gray?
• 13:49
  Paige Logan: Yeah.
• 13:50
  Paige Logan: I mean, I would say depending on, the level of gray you have, but also, you might need to come in every three to four weeks.
• 13:56
  Paige Logan: It might be maybe a four to six weeks, maybe eight weeks.
• 13:59
  Paige Logan: So really depending on the amount you have, because you know, with the gray hair, you get that really strong line of demarcation as it starts to grow out, and then you feel, bad about yourself.
• 14:09
  Paige Logan: It's like you're like, feel like you gotta hide the gray.
• 14:11
  Paige Logan: So I mean, really just a simple root spray touch.
• 14:14
  Paige Logan: up its a great thing to use in between.
• 14:17
  Paige Logan: And it does give like a weird texture, maybe like how dry a shampoo would do so I would say part your hair, exactly how you want it, part it for that day, and then spray on your hairline and around the edges.
• 14:27
  Paige Logan: And then if you're not in for a refresh as soon as you like, at least you're not walking around for three to four weeks feeling like, you know, kind of crummy So, and then I would also say never touch up your, you know, I have, they have all these new hair care kits to touch up your color on your own.
• 14:41
  Paige Logan: And I would highly suggest never doing that and getting back into salon sooner.
• 14:46
  Paige Logan: So, and in between just using that spray.
• 14:49
  Carmen Hecox: So you're saying like buying stuff at the big box store.
• 14:52
  Carmen Hecox: Don't buy the stuff at the big box store or even, some of the beauty supply places and doing it at home because, someone like me is not familiar with the products that are being put in my hair.
• 15:03
  Paige Logan: I would say never use a professional product or box dye on your hair because it takes the hairstylist a very long time to repair it.
• 15:10
  Paige Logan: And a lot of times people will do it, they'll touch up the roots that goes really dark and then they want highlights with it to, and so you're trying to break through that box dye and it's better just to use that spray cover up in the meantime and leave the color to the professionals.
• 15:24
  Carmen Hecox: So what if I have a lot of gray hair and I want to maybe transition slowly or maybe, work with it vs against it.
• 15:35
  Paige Logan: I think that's one of my favorite ways for people to go gray.
• 15:38
  Paige Logan: I know there's people that are just like, I'm not dyeing my hair anymore.
• 15:41
  Paige Logan: And then they go through three, three years of having this gray and this color hair separated.
• 15:47
  Paige Logan: And, that looks odd.
• 15:48
  Paige Logan: And who wants to go with it looking bad for that long, right?
• 15:51
  Paige Logan: Cuz it's, that's fully letting your hair grow.
• 15:54
  Paige Logan: Into the gray with the color still on the bottom.
• 15:56
  Paige Logan: So the best way that I would say to transition is, maybe going to, if you really were like, I'm ready to be gray, going to a hairstyle strictly focuses on gray because it is a very hard technique in those stylists, like the stylists that you had looked up online their's somebody that, is what they do all the time.
• 16:14
  Paige Logan: It's their, main source of income.
• 16:15
  Paige Logan: it's their specialization.
• 16:17
  Paige Logan: So if you are going to go all at once, but I think a very easy transition to do would be, doing like low lights, darker pieces in the hair to kind of break it up and, or, and or highlights.
• 16:28
  Paige Logan: And so that lets your line, that line of demarcation, I keep talking about, kind of grow out softer versus you having that harsh one that you're just waiting for it to all grow out.
• 16:38
  Paige Logan: So just a few pieces of light, a few pieces of dark in there, it'll help break up that line.
• 16:43
  Paige Logan: And it's not something you need to do very often.
• 16:45
  Paige Logan: You can go into the salon every three or four.
• 16:47
  Paige Logan: months Throw in a couple foils with the highlights or low lights.
• 16:50
  Paige Logan: It'll spruce you up and it'll make it to where you can get through that awkward time period until you are all gray.
• 16:56
  Carmen Hecox: So when you say for some of the people that do not know what demarcation is, you're talking about that color line, that kind of, it almost looks like you're wearing a bowl over your head?
• 17:04
  Paige Logan: It's like that color line that grows out.
• 17:06
  Paige Logan: You know, it's like as soon as with people with a lot of gray hair, your hair grows out and you have maybe two inches from your scalp that's just like this white line.
• 17:14
  Paige Logan: And so, and it's so very obvious.
• 17:16
  Paige Logan: And so when, if you do decide you wanna go gray, just maybe putting in a few little dark pieces in there, mid-level pieces, depending on your overall hair color.
• 17:24
  Paige Logan: Um, so that line isn't so strong.
• 17:27
  Carmen Hecox: So it makes it more part of a hairstyle.
• 17:30
  Paige Logan: Yeah, more intentional.
• 17:31
  Paige Logan: Not like you gave up on, you know, taking care of your hair.
• 17:35
  Carmen Hecox: Um, What are the common hair concerns that you see with women in midlife, including changes in texture and brittleness?
• 17:42
  Paige Logan: I would say it's very common to lack moisture.
• 17:44
  Paige Logan: It's like when people first start hitting gray, it's like, oh, what is happening to my hair?
• 17:48
  Paige Logan: It's coarse.
• 17:49
  Paige Logan: The gray is just, it's different than what most people are used to.
• 17:53
  Paige Logan: And so I would say, a lack in moisture, for sure.
• 17:56
  Paige Logan: Sometimes the shine that has the issue.
• 17:59
  Paige Logan: And also, hair thinning, unfortunately for women, you know, we do have that thinning that we get, sometimes around the front of our hairline, on top of our scalp that, um, we had really hoped would never happen.
• 18:09
  Paige Logan: But that's the reality of it.
• 18:10
  Paige Logan: So your hair kind of loses a little bit of that luster and, vibrancy that it once had.
• 18:15
  Carmen Hecox: So what do you do for some of the women that do have like a texture issue?
• 18:18
  Carmen Hecox: What do you suggest that they do to kind of spruce in it up?
• 18:21
  Carmen Hecox: Make it look more like they did, 10, 20 years younger Their younger twenties?
• 18:26
  Paige Logan: I would definitely working with your stylist and coming up with a game plan on what your hair needs because, everybody's hair is different.
• 18:34
  Paige Logan: And so what works for somebody, you might see a product online, has all these great reviews, but it might not work for you.
• 18:39
  Paige Logan: And so it's really like, going in, figuring out what is going on with your particular hair.
• 18:44
  Paige Logan: So, we sell 11, what's one of my favorite products and miracle mask It's really, really good for hydrating.
• 18:50
  Paige Logan: But your hair might have issues more of being, if your hair is, if you can stretch it out, it doesn't return after you stretch it out, it might need something like protein or a bond.
• 19:01
  Paige Logan: And so that's when, for like the dryer hairs, you would need like a bond treatment or protein and that will help restrengthen the cuticle of your hair, um, getting it into a better place where the moisture mask might just be sitting on top and not fixing the real problem.
• 19:16
  Paige Logan: So that's why you really need to go into your stylist and work together to come up with, you know, a game plan.
• 19:22
  Carmen Hecox: I know when I went in and I had this horrible hair, told you, I am using x, y, Z product and it is really good.
• 19:28
  Carmen Hecox: It's really expensive, and you kind of just said, okay, that's good.
• 19:33
  Paige Logan: That's very true.
• 19:34
  Paige Logan: And it's like we've, over the course of the last, couple years that we've been together, have really like curated this special, formula that works for you.
• 19:43
  Paige Logan: And it's like you're on all these different products and that's something I love about you, Carmen is you're not afraid to try anything.
• 19:50
  Paige Logan: And, we're able to like work together as a team.
• 19:53
  Paige Logan: And so I know that on your end, you're doing what you need to do so that when you come into the salon, it's easy for me to do all the stuff like coloring your hair, highlighting it, because you're doing all the stuff at home to take care of it.
• 20:06
  Carmen Hecox: But what I think is important is you mentioned that um working with your hairstylist because the hairstylist is the expert on the hair.
• 20:13
  Carmen Hecox: And I remember you would touch my hair and every time I left your salon, i just noticed that my hair felt different.
• 20:21
  Carmen Hecox: And I don't know if maybe you were doing this behind the scenes, as you were working through my hair and touching my hair, you noticed that it was lacking something, even though I was using this really expensive line you were doing something.
• 20:34
  Carmen Hecox: I'm like, I remember I'd come back to you and I'd say, hey, Paige, what did you do to my hair the last time I was here?
• 20:38
  Carmen Hecox: Because it felt different?
• 20:40
  Paige Logan: We were really starting to use, well for one, bringing the shine back into your hair, doing a clear gloss through the ends, really kind of rebuilding that, making it look vibrant like you had wanted.
• 20:50
  Paige Logan: Um, and putting in a lot of moisturizing prepping your hair before styling it with a multivitamin, spray that really helped your hair before the styling process.
• 20:59
  Paige Logan: And then using like smoothing serums and stuff as well, that at the end your hair felt great and so you could run your fingers through your hair, but also looked styled like you wanted it to.
• 21:09
  Carmen Hecox: And I remember, I told myself, for a whole month, I'm only going to use the products you sell.
• 21:15
  Carmen Hecox: At the time I had already had a purple shampoo to help brighten my highlights.
• 21:20
  Carmen Hecox: Purple shampoo with the, blue undertone it's Eleven.
• 21:23
  Carmen Hecox: And, my hair's pretty frizzy, so you had introduced me to a frizz control shampoo.
• 21:28
  Carmen Hecox: So I started using that and then you also introduced me to the mask that you were just talking about.
• 21:34
  Carmen Hecox: And so I told myself for a whole month, I am only going to use your hair products that you sell.
• 21:41
  Carmen Hecox: And I remember when I went back in to get my touch up with you, you said, I don't know what you're doing to your hair cuz I didn't communicate this with you.
• 21:48
  Carmen Hecox: You said, I don't know what you're doing to your hair, but it sure feels way different.
• 21:53
  Carmen Hecox: And I said, well, you know what I've done this month or this past month, I only used your, her, your products.
• 21:58
  Carmen Hecox: I stopped using the other product that cost double what yours cost.
• 22:02
  Carmen Hecox: And look, you are telling me my hair feels different.
• 22:05
  Carmen Hecox: And I said, and what I notice is that when I brushed my hair or I took a shower and washed my hair, there wasn't a big ol glob of hair at the bottom of the drain or in the brush.
• 22:14
  Carmen Hecox: And so it's absolutely truth with what you said.
• 22:16
  Carmen Hecox: I listened to what you said and the products that you suggested that my hair needed.
• 22:21
  Paige Logan: And I think it's important that you, brought that up because things like your purple shampoo, it just because a product is good and effective, sometimes doesn't mean, it needs to be used all the time, right?
• 22:32
  Paige Logan: And so, something like a purple shampoo, they're very drying, they brighten up your highlights.
• 22:37
  Paige Logan: They make your blonde look really good.
• 22:39
  Paige Logan: But they don't, they're not good for your hair long term.
• 22:41
  Paige Logan: So I mean, you should be using it maybe once a week.
• 22:44
  Paige Logan: Um, you know, maybe if you're feeling you have a little bit more warmth than you desired, maybe twice.
• 22:48
  Paige Logan: But, there's certain products you don't use all the time and that same goes to go, um, you know, you were on a protein builder and that bond, and at a certain point your hair has too much protein and so when it gets to that, your hair becomes crunchy.
• 23:01
  Paige Logan: And so that product is in actuality making it worse.
• 23:04
  Paige Logan: And so, if that's why it's so important to talk to your stylist about what products to use because you think you're doing this great thing, you've got, you know, you're adding this to your hair, but, sometimes you can be making your hair worse.
• 23:15
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah.
• 23:16
  Carmen Hecox: So it's like, maybe going and seeing your doctor and saying, hey, I have these symptoms and how do I get rid of them?
• 23:21
  Carmen Hecox: And your doctor might say, take this, this, this.
• 23:25
  Paige Logan: Prescription plan.
• 23:26
  Carmen Hecox: It's kind of the same thing, but you're the expert.
• 23:28
  Carmen Hecox: I know another thing that you recommended because of the state that my hair was in, gave me some tips as to how I can preserve or, retain my hair from breaking.
• 23:38
  Paige Logan: And, I think that's important as well that you, when you're at home, you're not reversing all this good stuff that you do with products and taking care of your hair at the salon, but really, not going to bed with wet hair.
• 23:50
  Paige Logan: That's important.
• 23:51
  Paige Logan: Also not tying your hair back in a tight, in a tight bow clip.
• 23:55
  Paige Logan: Anything, scrunchy, anything.
• 23:58
  Paige Logan: When your hair is wet, it shouldn't be tied back tight.
• 24:01
  Paige Logan: Not using anything that's elastic on your hair because it's gonna break that, If it's tight on your head, it's gonna end up breaking all your, your hairline around that.
• 24:09
  Paige Logan: People, it's funny if they often come in, they're like, I don't know why my hair is broken and it's exactly where their ponytail line is.
• 24:15
  Paige Logan: And so, doing stuff like that, not shampooing, every single day, letting your hair grab onto its natural moisture.
• 24:23
  Paige Logan: Another simple technique is just, a silk pillow or wrapping your hair at night.
• 24:28
  Paige Logan: That's gonna help keep your hair smooth, not get crazy at night.
• 24:31
  Paige Logan: And the silk pillows good for your skin as well so, dual benefits.
• 24:34
  Carmen Hecox: I used to always, cuz my husband and I walk three and a half miles every day.
• 24:38
  Carmen Hecox: And I always used to wear my hair in a ponytail or a bun when we walk.
• 24:43
  Carmen Hecox: And I remember you said, um, maybe do a loose braid, try doing a loose braid.
• 24:48
  Carmen Hecox: If you really need to put your hair up, do a loose braid so that there's not a lot of pulling.
• 24:52
  Paige Logan: Yeah, just being a little bit gentle, I would say is a good approach with your hair.
• 24:56
  Carmen Hecox: And then the other thing I know that you had told me too, because I tend to, go to sunny places a lot.
• 25:02
  Carmen Hecox: You recommended that I, make sure that my hair is covered, that I spray some type of protectant on my hair, so that the sun didn't dry it, but also wear a hat so it's not just for my face, to block the sun from my face.
• 25:15
  Carmen Hecox: But it was also to keep the sun from damaging my hair.
• 25:18
  Paige Logan: Protecting your hair, everywhere you go and the sun is damaging to your hair and the chlorine is as well.
• 25:23
  Paige Logan: So really using some type of protectant to combat that.
• 25:27
  Paige Logan: And you know, wearing hats good for your skin and your hair.
• 25:30
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, kind of like the pillow case.
• 25:33
  Carmen Hecox: What are some tips for women in midlife who are experimenting with different hair color styles?
• 25:40
  Carmen Hecox: What should they consider before making such a significant change or cutting their hair drastically or color?
• 25:46
  Paige Logan: I would say one of the first things that I noticed is, and I've had clients come in, they're having this terrible week and they just wanna change their hair right then.
• 25:54
  Paige Logan: So I would say, first and foremost, never doing anything off of impulse.
• 25:58
  Paige Logan: Because I think that's when you end up with styles and stuff that you don't want.
• 26:02
  Paige Logan: You're having this emotional week or this amazing week and I wanna do something new.
• 26:06
  Paige Logan: And those impulse hair, it doesn't always work out the way that you want.
• 26:11
  Paige Logan: And so that definitely not doing stuff on out of impulse and then really researching, seeing cuts and colors you like and understanding how that would look on your skin with your stylist as well.
• 26:21
  Paige Logan: Really touching, maybe getting color swatches and seeing how they look.
• 26:25
  Paige Logan: And a fun thing too is ordering stuff on Amazon and cheap little$10 wigs and trying them on.
• 26:30
  Paige Logan: And maybe you are wearing them through the house that day, seeing how you feel.
• 26:34
  Paige Logan: So really doing research before you step into going into something new.
• 26:38
  Paige Logan: I would say.
• 26:39
  Carmen Hecox: And I know you mentioned this before, that, making a decision that's realistic to your hair texture and volume.
• 26:47
  Paige Logan: Yeah, I think it's important to talk with your stylist because, if you have a good stylist, you have a good rapport with, she feels like she can be honest with you him or her.
• 26:55
  Paige Logan: They, they will be able to tell you, that your hair isn't anything like that it's not realistic.
• 27:00
  Paige Logan: You're never gonna have that type of hair no matter what we do, what we go through.
• 27:03
  Paige Logan: And so, yeah, it's important to understand the reality of how your hair will look in that particular, style.
• 27:10
  Paige Logan: And it might be something that you go, oh, I want a wash and wear but you're showing a photo of somebody that spent hours on their hair.
• 27:17
  Paige Logan: And so, understanding what it really, if your hair is like that, understanding what it would take for it to look like that on a daily basis.
• 27:25
  Carmen Hecox: Exactly the maintenance that it, requires to in order to look like that.
• 27:28
  Paige Logan: It is very rare that someone will have a style that's wash and wear and like instant, most photos online and stuff that you're comparing it to, people are spending a little bit of time styling out.
• 27:39
  Carmen Hecox: So can you provide tips for women who are nervous about trying a new hairstylist salon?
• 27:46
  Carmen Hecox: How can they build trust or how can they find that right hairstylist for them?
• 27:51
  Paige Logan: I would say looking online, looking at, social media and seeing the work that these people are doing.
• 27:58
  Paige Logan: And then I think a good approach too is you just because you set up an appointment with somebody, set up maybe a consultation, go in there, get a real feel for what they, who they are.
• 28:09
  Paige Logan: What they do, how they make you feel when you're there.
• 28:12
  Paige Logan: I think it's important and sometimes you get there, you just want it done right then.
• 28:15
  Paige Logan: But, you might wanna shop around and see how you feel about a particular stylist and, maybe not have to rush.
• 28:21
  Paige Logan: So maybe before you're just ready to get it done.
• 28:23
  Paige Logan: Not rush into it, trying out a few different places.
• 28:27
  Paige Logan: Seeing how they make you feel, seeing what their work looks like, how their salon is.
• 28:32
  Paige Logan: So that's probably would be my best advice.
• 28:34
  Carmen Hecox: For someone like you you had me come in and you saw that the hairstylist who unfortunately listened to me and gave me what I wanted when she should have said, no, I'm not doing that.
• 28:46
  Carmen Hecox: How do you build trust with your clients?
• 28:49
  Carmen Hecox: I've come to you and I've said, hey, Paige, I want to do this now.
• 28:52
  Carmen Hecox: And I think that you and I now have that type of relationship where you can, boldly tell me what you really think as opposed to before you watched what you said.
• 29:02
  Carmen Hecox: How do you build trust with clients, especially those that are brand new and are, are just barely coming in?
• 29:08
  Paige Logan: I think that transparency and honesty is very, very important.
• 29:12
  Paige Logan: When you're honest with them about what their hair will actually turn out with, they're not disappointed in the end when they end up with something different.
• 29:19
  Paige Logan: And so, honesty, but in a soft way.
• 29:22
  Paige Logan: I mean, you're right.
• 29:23
  Paige Logan: When we first met, I wasn't comfortable telling you, okay, Carmen, we need to I did it in a softer approach.
• 29:29
  Paige Logan: Now that we've got to know each other, I can be like, okay, no more highlights this week.
• 29:33
  Paige Logan: Or, you know, like, let's refrain off the highlights.
• 29:35
  Paige Logan: We need to add some dimension back into it.
• 29:36
  Paige Logan: And then, you see it and you're like, oh, we did need dimension.
• 29:39
  Paige Logan: So yeah, I mean, I think the transparency and honesty and really making your client feel heard and understood before you're getting into, you know, not just, okay, what color do you want?
• 29:49
  Paige Logan: Let's put it on really talking with them thoroughly about what they want, because it isn't always what they're seeing in a photo or what they think will look good on them isn't always what they end up loving.
• 29:59
  Paige Logan: And so, really trying to make them understand what their goal looks like, while also, being kind and not hurting their feelings.
• 30:07
  Paige Logan: If you don't think it's something that look will look.
• 30:09
  Carmen Hecox: So to wrap things up, you had mentioned that, the most important thing.
• 30:15
  Carmen Hecox: Is, well, I think the most important thing that you've addressed was communication,
• 30:19
  Paige Logan: Very important.
• 30:20
  Carmen Hecox: And it's not just on one side, it's both sides.
• 30:23
  Paige Logan: Yes.
• 30:23
  Paige Logan: Effectively communicating through a consultation, I think is like one of the best ways of success.
• 30:29
  Carmen Hecox: Since we brought up consultation, do you know of maybe any hairdressers that are not open to a consultation because maybe they're losing money in that consultation, or is there a fee?
• 30:40
  Paige Logan: I would say some stylists do charge a consultation fee or, once you book, they might waive the fee.
• 30:46
  Paige Logan: But you know, that might not be the stylist for you if they don't, offer a consultation and you really are wanting to make a big hair change, I mean, I think it's important to make sure you have that time allotted for that conversation.
• 30:58
  Carmen Hecox: And another thing that you talked about is you said, possibly using an app.
• 31:03
  Carmen Hecox: If you want to go white or highlights or gray.
• 31:06
  Paige Logan: Yeah Check, check out the Face Tune app.
• 31:09
  Paige Logan: You know, L'Oreal, Redkin, there's a lot of color lines that also show their color swatches and how they would look on you.
• 31:15
  Paige Logan: And so then you'd be able to get a real idea of what you look like and also maybe don't use your most beautiful photo for the app.
• 31:22
  Paige Logan: Use your everyday look so it's more realistic.
• 31:26
  Carmen Hecox: Do you know if, these apps like L'Oreal and Redkins, are these apps available on Android and Apple?
• 31:31
  Paige Logan: Yes, definitely.
• 31:33
  Carmen Hecox: Another thing that you had talked about is you said, understand the maintenance that, is involved in what you decide that you want to wear.
• 31:41
  Paige Logan: I think that's very important and it's a common mistake.
• 31:44
  Paige Logan: People come in the salon and it's very expensive getting your hair done.
• 31:48
  Paige Logan: But it's just like something with your car you're going to continue to get your oil changed on your car, so your car continued to correctly drive, you're gonna get insurance on your car.
• 31:57
  Paige Logan: Using great product, good product at home is so important, for the life of your hair.
• 32:02
  Paige Logan: I think it's neglected a lot more, that it's not because it's an added expense, but I would say work that into your budget and part of your hair cost and good product lasts a long time, and so it's worth it to be using that good product at home.
• 32:17
  Carmen Hecox: I do that in my shower have nothing but Eleven in there And I tell my husband, I tell my husband, I'm like, you're a man, but you know what?
• 32:23
  Carmen Hecox: You need to use this because even men's hair breaks just like my hair.
• 32:27
  Paige Logan: And I love that about you, Carmen, because you have a cocktail of products.
• 32:31
  Paige Logan: I say it's like, you don't only need one product.
• 32:33
  Paige Logan: You don't only need a hydrating shampoo, hydrated conditioner You know, you need the frizz, you need the repairs sometimes.
• 32:38
  Paige Logan: You need the purple shampoo.
• 32:39
  Paige Logan: And I love that you can kind of cocktail all your stuff together.
• 32:42
  Paige Logan: You're not just only stuck on one product because, only using one product for a long time isn't great for your hair either.
• 32:49
  Paige Logan: It's really good to use variety in your hair care.
• 32:52
  Carmen Hecox: Yeah, and as you can see, and I'll show my end result.
• 32:56
  Carmen Hecox: My most recent, when I saw you, my hair has changed significantly because I maintain that cocktail.
• 33:03
  Carmen Hecox: I might use a purple shampoo this shower, and then the next shower I'll use a hydration, then I'm moisturizing, but I switch it around.
• 33:13
  Carmen Hecox: The other thing I know that you had mentioned to me was that when I do use my purple shampoo, when I add the conditioner to add a mask on top of it, because the purple shampoo is very drying.
• 33:25
  Paige Logan: Yeah it is.
• 33:26
  Paige Logan: Yeah, really putting something after that purple because that purple shampoo does hurt your hair.
• 33:30
  Paige Logan: It makes it look vibrant, but it, it does affect your hair.
• 33:32
  Carmen Hecox: What kind of tips could you give women as far as communicating with their hairstylists?
• 33:38
  Carmen Hecox: If they're not really good at being clear or expressing themselves clearly.
• 33:43
  Paige Logan: I think one of the most important things is having photos to share because what you think is warm.
• 33:49
  Paige Logan: What you think is cool.
• 33:50
  Paige Logan: Sometimes they're very different or you think something's dark and you think something's light.
• 33:54
  Paige Logan: Really, looking at photos and looking at swatches, because I think colors can be misinterpreted and, lighting can be misinterpreted.
• 34:01
  Paige Logan: And so really being clear on what about a certain, you know, you pull up a photo and you and your stylists working together to kind of understand what it is about that photo that you like.
• 34:11
  Paige Logan: And you thinking about that too, is like, why do I like this?
• 34:14
  Paige Logan: Why do I think this would look good on me?
• 34:16
  Paige Logan: So it's important to understand what you really want when you're trying to communicate it.
• 34:21
  Carmen Hecox: The other thing you mentioned, and I think it kind of goes in with this, is finding the right stylist and salon that work for you.
• 34:28
  Carmen Hecox: Cuz it's got to be a relationship.
• 34:29
  Paige Logan: I agree.
• 34:30
  Paige Logan: I mean, they say a large reason why somebody comes back to you is they also like you as a person.
• 34:34
  Paige Logan: They like their, hair, they like you as a person.
• 34:37
  Paige Logan: So, you know, I would say don't get stuck in a rut.
• 34:39
  Paige Logan: If you're consistently having a stylist that isn't giving you what you want or not listening and trying to understand what you want, then reach out.
• 34:46
  Paige Logan: Find somebody new, and, I'm sure you'll be much happier.
• 34:49
  Paige Logan: It might take a while to find the right fit but, long term, you'll be happier; rather than waiting in a relationship, you're no longer fulfilled by.
• 34:56
  Carmen Hecox: So if anyone listening in the Greater Sacramento area wants to schedule an appointment with you or a consultation, what is the best way the people can find you, your salon?
• 35:06
  Paige Logan: We're at 1430 20th Street right in the heart of Midtown.
• 35:09
  Paige Logan: You can reach out to me on Instagram, at Sloan Wilder Salon.
• 35:13
  Paige Logan: Same on Facebook.
• 35:14
  Paige Logan: You can DM us and then, number is 916-878-8910.
• 35:19
  Paige Logan: You can reach out to make appointments, and I can also get you into any of the other stylists at our salon.
• 35:24
  Paige Logan: We have a great team.
• 35:26
  Paige Logan: And I know people are gonna see, your hair Carmen and they're gonna say they wanna, they want their hair to be exactly like yours.
• 35:32
  Paige Logan: But it's true.
• 35:33
  Paige Logan: Carmen's hair is one of a kind.
• 35:34
  Paige Logan: It's beautiful, it's thick.
• 35:37
  Paige Logan: and it's been a journey so.
• 35:39
  Carmen Hecox: Well, thanks to my fairy godmother who makes my hair look like it does.
• 35:45
  Carmen Hecox: So, and I will make sure to include all of your information, your handles, your phone number, in the show notes so that people can, if they listened to this and said, oh, I gotta keep pressing and replay cuz she's talking too fast.
• 35:59
  Carmen Hecox: Don't worry, it will all be included in the show notes and you'll just need to go to my website, which is createthebestme.com/ep008 and you can download this episode.
• 36:12
  Carmen Hecox: So to wrap things up, Thank you so much for coming on the show.
• 36:15
  Carmen Hecox: Thank you for sharing your expertise and insight and I look forward to having you on another show.
• 36:21
  Paige Logan: All right thanks so much, Carmen.
• 36:22
  Carmen Hecox: Wow, ladies, what an insightful and inspiring episode we've had today with the amazing Paige Logan.
• 36:29
  Carmen Hecox: We learned so much about the importance of communication with our hairstylists, avoiding hair disasters by taking time to understand our hair goals and maintaining healthy hair through the right hair care routine.
• 36:45
  Carmen Hecox: I hope you are feeling inspired to take better care of your locks and have a more fulfilling relationship with your hairstylist.
• 36:53
  Carmen Hecox: A huge thank you to Paige for joining us today and sharing her expertise.
• 36:59
  Carmen Hecox: Remember, if you're in the greater Sacramento area and you're looking for an incredible hairstylist, make sure you check out Paige and Sloan Wilder Salon contact information in the show notes.
• 37:11
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• 37:22
  Carmen Hecox: And as always, thank you for tuning in to Create The Best Me.
• 37:26
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• 37:33
  Carmen Hecox: Until next time, keep dreaming big, take care of yourself, and remember, you are beautiful, strong, and capable of creating the best version of yourself.
• 37:43
  Carmen Hecox: Bye for now.