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Mega Edition: The Sarah Ransome Deposition From The Maxwell/Virginia Roberts Lawsuit (Part 1-4) (5/29/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're gonna start taking a look at
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the Sarah Ransom deposition that's recently been unsealed, and we're
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gonna take a look at what she had to say,
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and Laura Meninger is doing the questioning, and Sarah Ransom's
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being represented by a lawyer named Peter Gergis. So now
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that we have all the players on the stage, let's
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get to the play. Menager, good morning, Miss Ransom. Answer,
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good morning, Manager. Can you please give us your full name,
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Sarah Sarah Emma Ashley Ransom. Manager and what is your birthday?
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Ransom redacted? Menager and what is your current address? Gergis,
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I'm going to object to a current address. Manager, you
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can answer, Gergis, you can give your last permanent address.
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Ransom redacted, then redacted again and questioned by Menager and
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what does that mean that's your last permanent address? Ransom?
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I reside there. Manager. Do you rent an apartment? Ransom?
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My partner does? Manager? Who is your partner? Gurgis objection? Manager,
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who is your partner? Ransom? Do I have to answer that? Gurgis? Yes? Redacted?
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Manager I'm sorry, Ransom redacted? Manager? How do you spell
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the last name? Ransom? Redacted? Manager? And how long has
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redacted been your partner? Gurgis, I'm going to object. I'm
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not sure what the relevance of this is or where
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you're going with this, Manager? How long has redacted been
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your partner? Ransom? Sorry? Can I just ask a question?
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I would like to just clarify When you say objection,
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does that mean I actually have to answer the question,
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because that's irrelevant. Gurgis, right, unless I'm telling you not
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to answer. You need to answer, Ransom, so I don't
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need to answer, Gurgis, No, you do need to answer this. Okay,
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we've been together almost a year. Manager. And what is
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your current occupation Ransom, I'm a writer. Manager. And what
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do you write? Ransom? Just stuff, you know, just about
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factual stuff, you know, just a bit of this, a
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bit of that. Manager. Have you been paid for any
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of your writing? Ransom? No, it's more of a hobby, really, Manager.
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Are you employed Ransom? Nope? Manager. Do you have any
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source of income? Ransom my partner? Gurgis, I'm going to
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object to that. Income is out. You don't have to
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answer that McCauley, do you have any source of income? Gurgis,
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I just objected to that you don't have to answer. Manager.
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Is there a privilege that you're asserting, Gurgis, I'm not
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sure what the relevance is, and I'm not going to
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allow Manager interrupts them and says, do you believe that
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relevance is a proper objection during a deposition? Gurgis, I
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believe that if you go far afield with the witness,
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that the judge is not going to appreciate it, and
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that I'm not going to just sit here and be
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a potted plan and allow her to answer any questions
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on any subject that you see fit. Manager. On relevance,
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you're instructing her not to answer on irrelevance objection? Is
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that what you're saying, Gurgis, I just objected, McCauley, I'm
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going to object on behalf of plaintiff for Jinia Roberts,
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to the extent that you're requesting from a non party
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financial information which is not allowed under New York law.
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So McCauley is also sitting in on this, but she's
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not there physically. She's on the phone. Manager. I have
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asked her whether she has any source of income, and
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you're going to object McCauley, yes, manager, and instructor not
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to answer. McCauley, I'm not instructing her or not to answer.
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I'm just making a record. Gurgis. It's financial information, manager
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interrupts them, and whether she has a financial motive is relevant. Manager.
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So I'm going to ask you one last time, do
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you have any source of income? Gurgis, I'm going to
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instruct you again not to answer. Has any of your
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writing been published by anyone? Ransom no manager? Have you
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sought to have your writing published by anyone? Ransom no manager?
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What is your partner's occupation? Gurgis objection McCauley, objection, Gurgis,
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I'm going to object, Yes, same objection. Manager. If you
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are going to instruct the witness not to answer, please
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say that contemporaneous with your objection, because there are two
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different things. There are objections and instructions not to answer.
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So are you instructing her not to answer what her
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partner's occupation is? Gurgis, right, same objection. I'm instructing the
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witness not to answer on that basis of both relevance
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and because she is a third party non I'm sorry,
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non party witness who you were asking for financial information about?
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Menager once again interjects no, I ask for an occupation. McCauley,
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I'm going to object that relates directly to financial information,
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so it's covered by New York's law with respect to
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non party witness Menager, what are the names of your
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parents redacted? Manager? How do you spell that? Ransom? Redacted? Manager?
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And where do your parents live? Ransom? I'm not comfortable
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giving you my mother and father's address. Manager, are you
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instructing her not to answer? Macauley, do you want to confer? Gurgis,
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give me a moment on this the witness, we're really
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well organized. Time noted nine twenty one, recess time noted
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nine twenty three, So they took a quick recess, then
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they got back to it. Manager, Miss Ransom, there was
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a question pending when you took a break with your lawyers.
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Can you please answer the question? Gergis, I'm instructing the
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witness not to answer questions regarding current information about her
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own location, her family's location, or things of that nature.
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The witness has expressed to me fears of harassment and
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the belief that she's being followed, and my understanding is
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that there are other witnesses that have had similar fears
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and concerns. And unless you make some sort of proffer
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of the actual relevance of her parents address wherever those are,
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I'm not going to have her answer. Manager, Okay, where
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does that understanding come from? Please, mister Gergis. Gurgis, where
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does your understanding come from? You just made a factual representation.
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I would like to know where your understanding comes from. Gurgis. Yeah,
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I'm not being deposed. I'm not going to answer your questions. Manager,
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all right, Manager, all right, Miss Ransom, did you agree
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to be a witness in the case of Roberts versus Maxwell? Answer? Yes? Manager.
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Did you voluntarily agree to do that? Ransom? Yes. Manager.
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Where you promised anything in exchange for your testimony and
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the Roberts versus Maxwell case? Ransom? No, Manager, Where you
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provided legal counsel? Ransom? Sorry? Does that mean McAuley you
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have a lawyer? Yes, Gurgus, yes, Ransom yes. Manager, Okay,
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how many lawyers do you have? Ransom three? Manager. I
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would like the record to reflect that the witness is
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checking with the lawyers to get answers of these questions, Pottinger, Wait, wait, wait, wait,
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objection gergis there is absolutely no exchange. No words were
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spoken by Menager. Mister Pottinger. Did you put up a
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number of fingers? Did you put up a number of fingers,
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mister Pottinger. Mister Pottinger, you said, I'm going to object
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because the witness is answering these questions in plural menager.
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Uh huh, Pottinger, that is inaccurate. When she looked at
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me to ask how many lawyers she had, I said three,
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with three fingers. That is a single request on her
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part and a single answer, not multiple menainger. No, she
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has looked to her lawyers for previous answers. We'll just
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make a record as we go along. Thank you McCauley.
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You could have had a videotape here so that we
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would have a record of that, because I think your
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verbal record is inaccurate, though, Pottinger, and in fact she
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this is mister Pottinger speaking, And in fact, she has
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not looked at me during this deposition except one time,
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which was or what I took to be a request
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to know how many lawyers she has manager. So are
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you being deposed mister Pottinger. Pottinger, I am not manager,
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Miss Ransom. How many lawyers do you think you have? Ransom? Three? Manager,
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can you please name them? Ransom, Peter, Cigarette and Stan.
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Manager is mister Bradley Edwards representing you? Answer yes. Manager
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is mister Paul Cassell representing you Ransom? No. Manager is
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mister David Boys representing you? Answer yes. Ms McCauley. I
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just want to be clearer for the record if you're
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talking about representing generally or you're talking about a particular matter,
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because we have a couple of matters. Manager, I'm asking
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the questions here, McCauley. No, I understand that you have
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to make the record clear. Manager interrupts Ms McCauley. If
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you want to ask her questions later, you are more
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than welcome to do so. I am going to ask
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questions of the witness that I am deposing. McCauley. Well,
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we want the record to be clear that there are
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more than one action. Manager interrupts her. You can ask
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questions when you're doing your questioning. I'm doing my questioning
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now and I will ask the questions. McCauley. I'm going
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to object the record should be clear there is more
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than one action pending here. She is a witness and
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she is also her own action pending. Pagliuka, thank you
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for that speaking objection Ms McCauley and communicating that information
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to the witness, which you know is totally improper. McCauley.
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Now that's two people objecting right now. Is it going
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to be Laura taking this deposition or is it going
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to be you? Jeff? You guys have done this to
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me before, and it's not a position where you're allowed
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to object and she's allowed to object. You guys pulled
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that at the last deposition, so please do not do
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this here. Pagliuka, I was just thanking you, Menager. All right,
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So the number of lawyers we're up to so far
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is Gergis, McCauley, Pottinger, Edwards, and boys. That's five, correct, Ransom?
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Can I just ask you a question? Manager, No, you
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cannot ransom? Okay? Manager? Are those five lawyers that are
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representing you? Gurgis objection? Manager? Yes or no? Ransom? Yes? Manager?
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All right? Anyone else representing you? Ransom? No? Manager? Miss Schultz?
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Is Miss Meredith Schultz representing you? Ransom? No? Menager? How
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much are you paying for any of your lawyers. Ransom,
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it's on a pro bono basis. Manager, Do you know
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what each of those lawyers normal hourly rates are? Ransom? No, Menager.
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Do you know how many hours you have spent with
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your attorneys? Ransom? No, Gurgis objection? Menager? How many hours
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have you spent with mister Gergis? Gurgis objection. Manager then
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rephrases the question without communicating to me any information you
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and he have shared ransom a few maybe, Menager? How many? Ransom?
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About eleven hours in total? Menager? When is the first
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time that you met mister gurr Gurgis objection? McCauley, you
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can answer Gurgis. You can answer ransom yesterday. Manager, you
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met mister Gurgis yesterday? Was that your answer? Ransom? Yes? Manager?
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And who is paying for mister Gurgis fees? If you
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know ransom? I have a pro bono arrangement. Manager. Do
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you know if he's receiving money from anyone else in
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exchange for representing you? Ransom? No, Manager, No you don't know,
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or no, he is not ransom. I don't know, menager.
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How many hours have you spent with miss McCauley, Ransom.
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Can I just clarify that question? Does that mean on
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the phone, Like, what are you referring to in person
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or manager? Either one? How many hours? How much time
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have you spent with Ms McCauley in person, Ransom, I
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met with Ms McCauley for the first time in person yesterday,
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but I've spent Yeah, we've been Ms McCauley was the
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first person I actually spoke to. Manager. And how many
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hours have you spent with on the phone, Ransom? Many
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many hours? Menager? Approximately? How many? Ransom? I don't know.
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Menager five Gurgis objection, Ransom more than five, Menager ten
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Gurgis objection ten Ransom, well ten fifteen. She's been with
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me the whole way since when I came forward, so
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she's been a very prominent person. Manager. And when did
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you first speak with her on the phone, Ransom, I
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think it was Menager interrupts without telling me what you said. Ransom.
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I think it was November, Menager, November? What? Ransom, I
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can't remember the date, Menager, early November, late November. Gurgis objection, Ransom,
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I can't remember, Menager. Was she speaking to you on
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your cell phone or a landline? Ransom, cell phone manager,
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a mobile number or a landline ransom? A cell phone manager? Okay?
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And what's the cell phone number? Ransom? I don't have
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it anymore? Menager? That's okay. What's the cell phone number? Ransom?
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I actually don't know. I can't remember my cell phone number.
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I don't have anything with me, so I can't remember
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that number offhand, Menager. How long did you have that
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cell phone? Ransom? About eight months? Menager? What happened to it? Ransom?
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I got rid of it? Manager? Why Ransom? Because I
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fear from my life because of Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell. Menager?
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What did you do with it? Ransom? I sold it?
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Manager when Ransom? November? Manager? Before or after you first
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spoke with Miss McCauley. Ransom before? Manager? So then, how
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did you speak with Miss McCauley over the phone? Answer
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by Ransom on my partner's cell phone? Manager, and what's
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his cell phone number? Ms McCauley objection, what's irrelevance of
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her partner's cell phone? Again? This is irrelevant, it's harassing.
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It's your seeking information to be able to witness has
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already expressed fear about people currently going after so we
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would object to that intimidation of a non party witness. Menager,
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What is your partner's cell phone number, Gurgis, I'm directing
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the witness, not the answer. Manager. How many hours have
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you spent speaking with mister Pottinger Ransom. I've been speaking
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to mister Pottinger since November. Manager. When in November Ransom?
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I can't remember, Menager, on the same cell phone that
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you got rid of? Ransom? No, on my partner cell phone. Manager.
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And when did your first meet mister Pottinger in person? Ransom?
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It was at the beginning of January. Manager. And where
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was the meeting Ransom? Barcelona? Manager? Where in Barcelona? Ransom? Barcelona?
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It's Barcelona we meet. I can't remember the area. Manager,
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in a restaurant, in a hotel, in an office, Ransom,
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in a hotel? Manager. And how long did you spend
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with mister Pottinger on that occasion, Ransom? Two days? How
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many hours over the two days Ransom? Gosh about sixteen? Menager?
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How many hours did you spend with mister Edwards Mister
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McCauley objection, answer by Ransom the same amount Manager he
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was with mister Pottinger. Answer yeah, Manager, and mister boys.
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How much time have you spent with mister boys? Ransom.
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I haven't spent any time with him yet, Menager. Have
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you met him? Ransom? No? Manager, have you spoken to
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him on the phone? Ransom? No, Menager? And you have
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not paid any money for any of those lawyer's time? Correct? Ransom, Yes, Manager,
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In addition to your free legal counsel, were you given
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anything else in exchange for your agreement to be a
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witness in this case? Gergis objection. Ransom no, Menager? Did
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you fly over here? Answer yes, Menager from Barcelona? Ransom yes. Manager.
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Did you pay for the plane ticket? Ransom? Yes, Menager?
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How much was the plane ticket? Ransom? It was? I
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think it was a thousand, It was a thousand. I
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can't remember the exact total. Manager. Has anyone agreed to
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reimburse you for this? Ransom? No? Manager, And you're staying
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where while you're here? Gurgis objection, and direct you not
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to answer that? Manager. Are you staying at a hotel
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while you're here? Gurgis, you can answer that ransom, yeah, Manager,
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are you paying for that hotel? Gurgis objection. I'm directing
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you not to answer McCauley, you can answer Gergis. I
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think you can answer. McCauley. Yeah, I think you can
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answer Gergis. That's fine. I agree McCauley. You're a non
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party witness. You can answer the question. Manager. Who is McCauley.
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I am representing Virginia. He is representing the witness. Manager. Well,
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you're representing the witness as well, right, McCauley, I'm not manager. Well,
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did you just tell her she can answer a question. McCauley,
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I did, manager? Are you paying for the hotel? Ransom? No? Menager?
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Who's paying for the hotel? Answer by ransom? It's on
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expenses I think of a witness. It's expenses from Yeah,
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I don't know. Actually, Manager, you don't know who is
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paying for your hotel? Answer no, Menager, it's not you
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answer no, manager, And how much per night is your hotel? Ransom?
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I have no idea Menager? How long are you staying
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on this trip? Ransom? Just for the deposition? Menager? Okay,
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when did you arrive? Answer? It was Tuesday? Late Tuesday? Manager?
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And when are you leaving? Ransom? Tomorrow evening? All right,
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So we're gonna wrap up part one right there, and
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In the next episode, we'll pick up where we left off.
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All of the information that goes with this episode can
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be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
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welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
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gonna pick up where we left off with the Sarah
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Ransom deposition once again. Laura Meninger is asking questions and
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the lawyer for Sarah Ransom is mister Gergis, along with
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Sigared McAuley and Stan Pottinger. So let's get back to it. Menager,
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how long are you staying here on this trip, Ransom?
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Just for the deposition? Manager? Okay, when did you arrive Ransom?
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It was Tuesday, late, Tuesday night, Manager. And when are
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you leaving? Ransom tomorrow at evening? Manager? In addition to
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your legal counsel and your hotel, is there anything else
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you've been given in exchange for your ransom? No, Manager,
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to be a witness in this case, you have to
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wait for me to finish my question before you answer, Ransom. Sorry, Manager,
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Have you been given anything else? Ransom? No, Menager, have
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you been promised anything else? Ransom? No? Manager? Have you
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been promised that you would have counsel to help you
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bring a lawsuit against a number of people. McAuley objection.
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To the extent this gets into attorney client privileged information,
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you're not allowed to answer. Manager, Have your lawyers agreed
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to bring a lawsuit on your behalf against a number
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of people? Ransom? Yes, Manager, And are you paying for
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that council? Ransom? No, Manager. Have you reached any agreement
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about a contingency fee for that case? Ransom? Can you
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explain what contingency means? Sorry? Manager. Do you expect to
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receive money as a result of that lawsuit? Ransom? Oh, no, no, Manager,
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You're not asking to receive any money as a result
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of that lawsuit? Answer no, Manager, All right, So have
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you had any agreements regarding writing a book? Answer by Ransom, No,
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Manager about your experience, you have to wait for me
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to finish my question. Have you had any agreements with
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your lawyers about media rights in any form? Gergis objection
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to the extent that you're asking about communications with the attorneys, Menager,
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I'm asking about her arrangement with her attorneys, which is
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not privileged. Ransom. Can you please repeat the question, manager,
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Have you reached an agreement with your attorneys regarding meteor
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rites for your story. Answer No, Manager, have you talked
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to anyone about publishing anything relating to your story? Ransom?
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Can you repeat the question please? Manager. Can you read
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it back? Requested? Portion of the record was read back Ransom, Yes,
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I have manager. Who have you spoken to, Ransom the
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New York Post? Manager? Who at the New York Post Ransom?
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Maureen Callahan? Manager? And when did you speak with her? Ransom?
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I think it was late in October. Manager. Have you
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spoken with her since? Ransom? No? Manager? And how long
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ago did you speak to her? Ransom? I spoke to her,
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for gosh, about thirty minutes on the phone once. Manager.
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And what was what did you tell her in your
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phone call? Ransom? I told her what Jeffrey Epstein and
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Glenn macke well did to me and the other girls. Menager.
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Did she give you any money in exchange for your interview? Ransom? No? Manager.
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Did you publish anything related to that interview? Ransom? No? Menager.
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How did you get in touch with miss Callahan? Ransom?
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I emailed her after I read an article that she
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had written about Jeffrey Epstein. And the last sentence was
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it was on the sixteenth of October and one of
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the last sentences I remember was will we ever know
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the true extent of Jeffrey Epstein's victims? And I wrote
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her after that because well it still continues, doesn't it. Manager.
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Where's the email that you wrote her? Ransom? It's on
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my computer, manager, okay, in your Yahoo account, Ransom. Yes. Manager.
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Did you have an agreement with her to have any
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additional conversations? Ransom? Yes? Manager? And what was that agreement, Ransom,
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It wasn't an agreement, per such. What actually happened was
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I came forward. As soon as I came forward, there
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was where I live in Barcelona, there's quite a lot
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it's a quite busy traffic with people. I came forward
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to Marine Callahan. I wanted to tell my story, and
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I want to run a campaign in which all the
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girls that have been abused by Galine and Jeffrey can
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come forward. And I wanted to run a campaign with
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The New York Post to get these girls to have
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the courage to come forward, because I know a lot
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of them are frightened, like myself. The email correspondence I
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had with Mariene Callahan, she was going away or something,
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and she was going to write a piece in the
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New York Post about my story. During that time, it
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was the elections, so there was a lot more other
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things going on. There were two people following me. After
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I came forward to Mariene Callahan, I went to I
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walked downstairs, I walked around. I have a usual routine
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that I do in the morning, I went out. I
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saw the same two people. Later on that afternoon, I
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saw the same two people again. I was frightened. I'm
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frightened for my life, absolutely frightened. So there you go.
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So that's what I was. She pauses for a minute
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communication stop between Maureen Callahan and I. I got really
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angry with Maureen because she had obviously told someone being
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the New York Post. So you know, Menager, So you
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had an email to miss Callahan and an email back
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from her. Ransom, yes, manager, more than one ransom? Yes? Manager?
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How many ransom? I can't remember, Menager? More than ten
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or less than ten? Manager? And you had one phone
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call with her or more than just one ransom? Just
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one manager and it lasted about thirty minutes. Ransom about that, Menager?
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And was that also on the cell phone that you
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got rid of? Ransom? That was on my partner's cell phone. Manager,
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and what had you read in the press that caused
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you to get in touch with miss Callahan? McCauley objectioned
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the form Go ahead, Ransom. You can read the article yourself.
23:57
It's on the sixteenth of October. There's an article in
24:00
the New York Post written by Maureen Callahan. You can
24:03
read it, and that's what inspired me to come forward. McAuley.
24:08
What do you recall about that article, Ransom? Oh, I
24:12
can't remember. The one thing I do remember is the
24:15
last sentence of the article, which has stuck with me
24:18
and quite prominent, and that is, well we ever know
24:21
the true extent of Jeffrey Epstein's victims. Manager, Do you
24:25
recall anything else about this article? Ransom, It's just the
24:29
same when I had read the article, the stuff that
24:32
I had experienced myself with Jeffrey. It's just the same
24:35
old stuff, just continuing. I thought he had stopped abusing girls. Menager,
24:41
what do you recall reading an article that Jeffrey Epstein
24:44
was doing? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager, anything at all. Ransom,
24:49
you can read the article. I can't remember. Manager, you
24:53
remember nothing about this article, McCauley asked, an answered objection, Manager,
24:58
except it was related to Jeffrey Epstein and it ended
25:02
with the sentence that you just described. McAuley objection, asked
25:06
an answered Ransom, Yes, Menager, what do you know about
25:10
other girls being frightened? Ransom? I know that the girls
25:14
on the island and in New York during my time
25:16
with Jeffrey and Glane that they were frightened? Menager? Okay,
25:21
what are the names of those girls? Ransom redacted, redacted
25:24
and redacted. I don't know her surname. I can't remember
25:28
her surname, Maxwell. How do you spell the first name? Ransom? Redacted?
25:33
I'm just taking a guess. Redacted. I'm guessing. I think gergis.
25:37
I'm going to remind the witness I told her not
25:39
to speculate, but that's okay, Menager. In addition to redacted
25:43
and redacted, what are the names of the other girls
25:46
who you believe are frightened? Ransom redacted? There were a
25:50
couple of other girls that I met during my time
25:52
with Glen and Jeffrey that were frightened, Menager. What were
25:56
the names of the girls that you met that were frightened? Ransom?
25:59
There was redacted, redacted, redacted and redacted, and there were
26:03
two other girls. I can't remember their names, Menager, Okay,
26:07
please describe them, Ransom, the describe all the girls or Menager? No,
26:13
we're talking about the girls that you met on the
26:15
island that you described as frightened. Okay, on the island,
26:19
Gurgis objection. You seem to be suggesting that all those
26:22
girls are from the island. I'm not sure that that's
26:25
the testimony. Menager. All right, you said girls on the
26:29
island and in New York who were frightened. I ask
26:32
you for their names. You gave me three, correct Ransom, Yes, Menager.
26:37
You said there were two others correct Ransom. Uh huh Maxwell.
26:42
What did the two other girls look like? Ransom? I
26:45
can't really remember. One had blonde hair, long blonde hair, Menager.
26:49
Anything else about that, Ransom? I can't remember, Menager. The
26:55
other girl? Can you remember her hair color? Ransom? No,
26:58
I can't remember. Men Do you know the height of
27:01
either one of them? Ransom? No, I can't remember, Menager.
27:05
Do you have a photograph of either one of them? Ransom? No? Menager?
27:11
And where did you meet these two other girls? Ransom
27:14
in New York? Manager? Where in New York, Ransom, I
27:17
can't remember, Menager. You don't know the location at all, Ransom, No,
27:22
it was ten years ago, Menager. Was it in a
27:25
home or in a commercial setting? Ransom? I met girls
27:29
commercially in home settings? Menager? Where did you meet these
27:33
two other girls that you described as being frightened? Ransom?
27:37
I can't remember, Menager? What is redacted's last name? Ransom?
27:42
I don't know, Menager? What does redacted look like? Ransom?
27:47
She's got long blonde hair, Menager? How long? Ransom? Long
27:51
long hair? Menager? Longer than your hair now? Ransom? I
27:55
think so. I think it was longer, Menager, so middle
27:58
of her back? Ransom, I can't remember. I can't remember
28:02
on how long her hair was? Menager? Where did you
28:06
meet redacted? Ransom? I met redacted first in New York? Menager?
28:11
Where in New York? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager anywhere
28:15
in New York. You can't remember at all? Answer, I
28:18
can't remember the location, Menager. Was it at Epstein's home?
28:22
Gergis objection. You have asked her now almost twenty questions
28:26
about where she met these girls, and she has consistently
28:29
said that she does not remember. Manager, Was it in
28:32
mister Epstein's home? Ransom? No, Menager? Was it at a club?
28:37
Mister gergis are we going to spend seven hours with her? Saying?
28:41
I can't remember where she met the two girls? Menager?
28:44
Was it at a club? Ransom? One was at a club? Menager?
28:50
Which one? Ransom? Redacted? Menager? Where did you meet redacted? Ransom?
28:55
I first met redacted on the island? Menager. Did you
28:59
meet her a second time? Ransom? Yes? Menager? Where did
29:03
you meet her the second time? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager?
29:07
Country Ransom, well us? Sorry? Can I have a break?
29:12
I actually need to go to the bathroom. Sorry, Menager,
29:15
I don't think I have a question pending. We'll go
29:17
off the record now. After a fifteen minute break, they're back, Menager.
29:21
So I want to return to your conversations with miss Callahan.
29:25
Conversations with Miss Callahan? Did you have any further communications
29:29
with her after the phone call that you described? Ransom?
29:33
There were I think a few emails exchange, but nothing
29:35
ever came about it, Menager. And again those are emails
29:40
from your Yahoo account. Ransom. Yes, Menager. Did you ask
29:44
miss Callahan for compensation in exchange for your story. McCauley objection, asked,
29:49
an answered ransom. No, Menager, had you seen any other
29:54
stories in the press about Jeffrey Epstein Ransom through the
29:57
last ten years. I've seen a few articles written about
30:00
Jeffrey Epstein. Manager. What do you call about those articles? Ransom?
30:05
The way he used to abuse girls? Basically articles written
30:08
very similar to my own story? Well identical? So, manager,
30:12
and have you written down your story? Ransom? No? Manager, nowhere,
30:17
Ransom no, Menager nowhere, Ransom No. All right, folks, we're
30:22
gonna wrap up part two here and in the next
30:25
episode we're gonna pick up where we left off. All
30:28
of the information that goes with this episode can be
30:30
found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
30:34
back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna
30:37
pick up where we left off with the Sarah Ransom deposition.
30:42
So let's get right back to it. Menager. Did you
30:46
see any articles about Virginia Roberts Ransom? Yes, Menager? Which
30:51
articles did you see about Virginia Roberts Ransom? I can't remember.
30:56
It was quite some time ago, Menager. What do you
30:59
recall about it? Ransom? She came forward and I was.
31:03
It was a few years ago that she came forward,
31:05
and her story was exactly the same as mine. I
31:09
can't remember specifically what article I read, but every single
31:12
article I did read during the duration of that time
31:15
she experienced the same thing I did, So it was
31:18
more or less the same context and it's the same
31:20
story in all articles, really, Menager. So you were reading
31:25
these articles over the course of a period of ten years,
31:28
you think, Ransom. Yeah, I didn't pay much attention to
31:31
it because I've spent the last ten years trying to
31:34
get over that experience, and I've been frightened to come forward, Menager.
31:39
And when you read the articles, you noticed that there
31:41
were details that you thought were similar to your experience.
31:45
Mcaulay objection, Ransom. There were details that were exactly the
31:49
same as what I had experienced, Menager. Do you know
31:53
whether anyone else had brought lawsuits against mister Epstein? Ransom? No? Menager.
31:58
Did you say if any of these areticles that you read? Ransom? Sorry?
32:02
Can you repeat that? Menager? Did you save any of
32:05
the articles that you read? Ransom? No? Menager? Where did
32:09
you grow up, Ransom? I grew up in South Africa?
32:13
I then finished school in Scotland. Manager. When did you
32:16
move to Scotland? How old were you? Ransom? I was fourteen. Manager.
32:22
Did your family move to Scotland or just you, Ransom?
32:26
Just myself? Manager. Are you a South African citizen? Ransom? Yes? Manager.
32:32
Do you have a South African passport? Ransom? Well, yeah,
32:36
it was stolen. I'm reapplying for a new one. I
32:39
have to renew my South African passport. It was stolen
32:42
South Africa for you. Manager. So when did you get
32:46
that South African passport? Ransom? I can't remember. I've had
32:50
a South African passport my whole life, so Manager, and
32:54
when was it stolen? Ransom? I think it was twenty fourteen,
32:58
twenty fifteen. So you were born in South Africa, You're
33:02
a South African citizen and you had a South African
33:05
passport your whole life. Have I got that right? Ransom?
33:09
Uh huh? Menager? Yes or no? Mister gergis objection to form?
33:13
You can answer, Sarah Ransom, yeah, Menager. Did you also
33:18
have a British passport? Ransom, yes, Menager. How did that
33:22
come about? Ransom? My mom's side of the family is British, Menager?
33:27
And when did you get a British passport, Ransom, I
33:31
think when I was about five. Menager. Do you have
33:34
dual citizenship Ransom, yes, Manager, And do you travel using
33:39
both passports? Ransom, it's really complicated. I only use my
33:42
South African passport when I enter into South Africa, so
33:46
that's the only time I use my South African passport.
33:49
Then other than that, I use my British passport for
33:53
all other transportation because South Africa you need like a visa.
33:57
It's really complicated, so I'm lucky I've got my British passport. Manager.
34:03
It's easier to travel on a British passport than a
34:06
South African passport. Ransom, Yeah, a lot easier, a lot easier. Menager.
34:12
All right, did you have any other siblings growing up? Ransom? Yes, Menager,
34:17
how many? Ransom, I've got one real older brother, and
34:20
then I've got a half younger brother and a half
34:23
younger sister. Menager. Did you all grow up in the
34:26
same home? Ransom, No, Menager, Who did you grow up
34:30
with in the same home with? I don't need their names,
34:33
but just the people you just described, mister gergis objection
34:37
you can answer, Ransom. I grew up with my mom
34:40
and my stepdad and my brother and was just entering
34:43
boarding school. And then I live with my aunty and
34:46
uncle in Scotland Menager and cousins Ransom, Yeah, and cousins
34:52
one cousin Menager. And how long did you attend school
34:56
in Scotland? Ransom? About three years? Menager. Did you graduate Ransom?
35:00
I did? Manager. Is that the equivalent of our high school? Ransom? Yeah?
35:06
It is. Manager. Did you go to college? Ransom? I
35:10
went to university to study psychology and sociology. Manager. Where
35:14
did you go Ransom Queen Margaret University in Edinburgh. Manager.
35:20
Did you graduate Ransom? No? I did not. Manager. Did
35:23
you go to that college immediately after graduating from high school? Ransom? No? Manager.
35:28
When did you go to that college Ransom two thousand
35:31
and four, Manager. And how long did you stay at
35:34
Queen Margaret College, Ransom a year and a half. Manager.
35:38
Why did you leave college? Ransom? I chose the wrong course.
35:41
I didn't. I didn't really agree with what I was
35:43
being taught in sociology, so I quit. Manager. During the
35:48
time you were in college, did you work Ransom? Yes? Manager.
35:51
Where did you work Ransom? I was a waitress at
35:54
a bar. Manager anything else? Ransom? No? Manager. Have you
35:58
ever been Marriedransom? No? Menager, Have you ever been engaged Ransom? Yes?
36:04
Manager to whom redacted? Manager? Your current partner? Ransom? Yes? Manager?
36:10
Anyone else? Ransom, yes, I have Manager. Who else? Have
36:13
you been engaged to? McCauley objection, gergis objection Ransom. I
36:18
don't really see the relevance in that. McCauley. Who else
36:21
have you been engaged to? Ransom? Redacted? Manager? Was he
36:26
listed in your passport? Ransom? Yes? Manager? Anyone else? Ransom
36:31
listed on my passport? Sorry? Manager? Have you been engaged
36:34
to anyone else? Ransom? Oh? Sorry, I've got a really
36:38
bad train. No, no, I haven't. Manager. During what period
36:42
of time were you engaged to or adapted Ransom? I
36:45
can't remember. Manager. Was it before two thousand and six
36:49
or after? Ransom? After? Manager? How long after Ransom? Three years? Manager?
36:56
Did you know mister redacted during two thousand and six? Ransom?
37:00
It's redacted? Sorry, vaguely, vaguely we lost touch. Manager. When
37:06
did you lose contact Ransom in two thousand and six? Manager?
37:10
And when did you re establish contact Ransom two thousand
37:14
and eight? Manager? Do you go buy any other names? Ransom? No, Menager.
37:19
Do you go by redacted online? Ransom? I don't think so.
37:22
I don't know menager on Twitter Ransom. I don't have
37:26
any social media platforms, so I can't remember, Menager. Have
37:30
you ever gone by redacted all one word on Twitter? Ransom?
37:34
I can't remember, Menager. Do you have any tattoos? Ransom? Yes? Manager?
37:39
Where Ransom? One here indicating one on her arm and
37:43
I have one? Two? Three? Four? Where is the second one? Ransom?
37:48
I've got four? Menager, alright, just tell me where they
37:51
are Ransom. One is on my arm, one is on
37:53
my right hip, one is on my upper bikini line,
37:56
and one is on my right inner thigh. And I've
37:58
got one on my left side on my ribcage. Manager, Okay,
38:03
have you had them for a long time? Ransom? I've
38:07
had hang on two I have had for a long time. Manager.
38:10
Which ones are they? Ransom? The scorpion on my right
38:14
hip and my LEO symbol on my bikini line. Manager.
38:18
Have you ever obtained a college degree? Ransom? No, Menager?
38:21
Have you ever gone back to college? Ransom? I have
38:24
tried to. I wanted to Manager, When did you do
38:27
that Ransom, when I moved to New York Manager in
38:31
two thousand and six, Ransom, correct, Manager, any other time? Ransom,
38:36
well recent, I mean I'm going back to university next year,
38:39
so I'm currently relooking at colleges. I'm going back to
38:42
do my psychology degree. Manager where Ransom, I haven't decided
38:47
yet because I'm looking for an open degree. Well, sorry,
38:50
home learning, so I haven't found somewhere yet, but I'm
38:53
currently going Well, my aim is to go back to
38:55
university and get qualified. Menager, between two thousand and six
39:00
and today, have you applied to any other colleges? Ransom? No, oh, yes,
39:05
sorry sorry, can you repeat the question? Sorry, Manager, He
39:08
can read it back, so the question gets read back
39:11
and Ransom answer is yes and yes. Menager. Okay, when
39:15
did you apply to colleges between two thousand and six
39:18
and today? Ransom it was two thousand and six, Menager,
39:21
is that fit? Ransom? That's correct? Menager? Anywhere else? Ransom, No, Manager,
39:28
other than working as a waitress at a bar during
39:30
college in two thousand and four two thousand and five,
39:33
what other employment have you had, Ransom? I have worked
39:36
in hospitality. I've worked in super yachting, those wealthy people
39:40
that have super yachts, I used to work for them.
39:42
I have done modeling and I can't remember any to this.
39:46
Menager interrupts. Did you have a modeling agent? Ransom? I
39:50
did in Scotland Manager in college Ransom, yep, that's correct.
39:55
Menager any other time Ransom, no Menager? And what type
39:59
of model was that? Ransom? Just commercial? Menager? Print Ransom yep, Menager,
40:06
Runway Ransom, yep, Menager, TV or ads Ransom, no Menager
40:12
and all in Scotland Ransom, no Menager. Where else did
40:16
you model? Ransom? New York? Menager anywhere else? Ransom, no Menager,
40:21
London Ransom, Oh yeah, I did. Sorry, I did do
40:25
modeling a bit of modeling in London. Menager, All right,
40:29
When did you do modeling in New York? Ransom? During
40:33
when I first arrived in New York in two thousand
40:35
and six? Menager? How much money did you make as
40:38
a model, mister gergis objection Ransom, I can't remember. Manager.
40:44
When did you work in super yachting? Ransom, I can't remember.
40:47
About twenty eleven, yeah, about twenty eleven, Maxwell, And when
40:52
did you work in hospitality Ransom. I've worked in hospitality
40:55
my whole life. I have worked in I mean in hospitality.
40:58
I've either done bar work, waitressing, super yachting, yeah, Manager,
41:03
so on and off Ransom, Yeah, on and off. Manager.
41:07
And since you were an adult, Ransom. And since I
41:10
was an adult, I worked in corporate jobs as well. Manager.
41:14
Where did you work in corporate America? Ransom? In South Africa? Menager?
41:19
And just so I understand you lived in Scotland from
41:22
the ages of fourteen to twenty two, Ransom, that's correct, Menager?
41:26
And then where did you move Ransom to New York? Menager?
41:30
And how long did you live in New York? Ransom?
41:33
About seven eight months? Manager? And where did you move
41:37
Ransom back to London? Manager? And how long did you
41:40
live in London? Ransom? Well, I lived in the UK
41:44
because I moved around a few times, so I didn't
41:46
just specifically live in London. But I was in the
41:49
UK about twenty twelve, Menager. And then where did you
41:53
move Ransom. I then went into the super yachting industry,
41:57
so I didn't I lived on a boat in Italy
42:00
and south of France. Manager. Did you work for a company? Ransom?
42:05
I work for a private owner, Menager on one yacht, Ransom,
42:09
on multiple yachts Menager? And what was your job Ransom? Stewardess? Stewardess?
42:14
And then I was a deccand manager with wine Ransom? Sorry, Menager?
42:20
What's a decand Ransom? A dechand McAuley de eck ransom? Sorry, Menager, Oh, Dechand,
42:28
I thought you were decanting wine. It's a pretty good job, Menager.
42:31
Who is the owner of the ship Ransom? I'm not
42:34
allowed to specify, menager. Do you have a confidentiality agreement? Ransom?
42:40
I did sign a confidentiality agreement when I started my employment. Manager.
42:45
And how long were you employed in super Yachting Ransom?
42:49
Two and a half years, Menager? Okay, And what did
42:51
you do after that? I moved back to Cape Town.
42:54
All right, folks, So we're gonna wrap up this part
42:56
here and in the next episode we'll pick up where
42:59
we left off. All of the information that goes with
43:01
this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
43:06
and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
43:10
we're gonna pick up where we left off with the
43:13
Sarah Ransom deposition. In the last episode, We left off
43:17
with Sarah saying that she moved back to Cape Town.
43:21
Right back at it with Menager asking questions once again.
43:25
Question okay, and who did you live with when you
43:28
moved back to Capetown Ransom myself? Manager? And how long
43:33
did you live there Ransom? Four years? Manager? And you
43:39
when did you move after that? Ransom? December? Yeah, it
43:43
was December twenty fifteen. Sorry, it was December twenty fifteen. Manager.
43:49
And where did you move Ransom? I moved from Kidtown
43:52
to London? Manager? And how long did you live there? Ransom?
43:57
Three months? Manager? And then where did you move Ransom? Barcelona? Manager?
44:03
So in March twenty sixteen? Ransom, Sorry, no, just hang on, sorry,
44:08
I moved to Barcelona around June June last year. Manager
44:12
twenty sixteen June Ransom, Yeah, Manager, you moved to Barcelona, Ransom. Yeah. Manager,
44:19
when you came to the US, you said that was
44:22
in two thousand and six, Ransom, correct? Manager? And who
44:26
did you come with? Ransom myself? Manager? And who paid
44:30
for the plane ticket? Ransom myself? Manager? Why did you come? Ransom?
44:35
I wanted to advance my career manager. What year? Ransom?
44:39
I wanted to go to Fit University. Manager. Did you
44:42
have a student visa when you came in two thousand
44:45
and six? Ransom? No manager? Had you applied to FIT
44:49
when you came to New York in two thousand and six? Ransom?
44:52
No manager? Did you have a job when you came
44:55
here in two thousand and six? Ransom, no manager. Where
44:59
did you stay when you got here in two thousand
45:01
and six? Ransom? The Upper east Side manager with whom
45:06
Ransom it was just a housemate, house manager? What was
45:10
the person's name Ransom? Redacted? Manager? How do you spell
45:14
redacted Ransom? Redacted? Manager? And what's the last name of
45:19
redacted Ransom? I can't remember. Manager? Male or female? Ransom male? Manager?
45:25
How old Ransom? I think he was in his forties? Manager?
45:30
And how did you meet redacted Ransom? I met redacted Javilla?
45:35
I met him when? Why can't I remember? I think? Yeah,
45:38
I was looking for an apartment when I got here,
45:40
so it was just like we just kind of met
45:43
on the Upper east Side And yeah, I said I
45:46
was looking for somewhere to stay. Manager. Did you pay
45:49
rent Ransom? Yes? Manager? How much did you pay Ransom?
45:53
I can't remember? Menager one thousand dollars Gurgis objection, Ransom,
45:59
I think it was less than that. Manager. Did you
46:02
have your own bedroom? Ransom? No, Manager was redacted the
46:06
only other occupant, Ransom, there was another guy. Manager. Did
46:11
you share a bed with anyone at that house? Ransom
46:13
with redacted? Menager? Were you in a relationship with redacted? Ransom? No, Menager,
46:19
you slept in a bed with redacted in the apartment
46:22
on the Upper east Side. Ransom, that's correct, Menager. What
46:26
was the address of that apartment? Ransom, I can't remember. Manager.
46:31
Do you have any way of reaching redacted now? Ransom? No, No,
46:34
I don't. Menager. Do you know approximately where in New
46:39
York it was besides the Upper east Side, Ransom, I
46:42
just remember it being the Upper east Side. I can't
46:45
remember the exact location, Menager, any of the cross streets. Ransom.
46:50
I went there the other day and it looks it
46:52
looks familiar. I can't I can't remember specifically. Menager. You
46:58
went to the apartment the other day, Ransom, No, I
47:01
didn't go to the apartment the other day. I went
47:03
to the Upper east Side yesterday the other day. Sorry,
47:06
but I can't remember where the apartment was. No Menager.
47:10
Was it a walk up or a doorman or elevator
47:13
kind of building? Ransom? It was an elevator building, Menager.
47:18
Was there a doorman? Ransom? No manager? What floor were
47:21
you on? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager, And you don't
47:25
remember how you met redacted? Mister Gergis objection, Ransom. I
47:30
met loads of people during that time. I can't specifically
47:33
remember how I met every individual, Menager. And in the
47:37
same house there was redacted and another guy, Ransom. That's correct.
47:42
McAuley objection mistakes to that. She's interrupted by Menainger. Do
47:47
you remember the other guy's name? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager.
47:52
How long did you live with redacted and the other
47:54
guy Ransom? For a I think it was a couple
47:57
of months until I moved, Menager. And where did you move?
48:02
Answer to Jeffrey Epstein's apartment, Menager. What was the addressed
48:07
to that? Ransom? I think it was two thousand, sorry,
48:11
two five East. It was midtown somewhere, Menager. I'm sorry
48:16
what Ransom. It was sort of midtown. I'm not familiar
48:19
with New York because I haven't been here and I
48:21
don't live here. It was kind of Midtown his apartment, Menager. Okay, Ransom,
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if I recall, yeah, Menager, So it's two five East something, Ransom,
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it's east it's East something. It was the same It
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was the same apartment building that redacted lived in, because
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we lived in the same building. Manager. Did you live
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in the same apartment, Ransom? No, Menager. Did you have
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your own apartment? Ransom, yes, Menager. How big was the apartment? Ransom?
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It was massive? Menager. How many bedrooms did it have? Ransom?
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I can't remember. I can't remember. I can't and she
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gets cut off by my two or seven Ransom. I
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just I remember just the like the living room, and
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it was very spacious, Menager. Can you draw a picture
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of the layout of it, Ransom, I wouldn't remember the
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layout there was. I remember like a pale blue decor, Menager.
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And no one else lived there with you? Ransom, No, Menager.
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And you don't know how many bedrooms Ransom. I can't
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remember how many bedrooms there were? Menager. Was there a doorman? Ransom? Oh,
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I can't remember. Manager. Was it a walk up or elevator? Ransom? Elevator? Menager?
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What floor were you on? Ransom, I can't remember. Menager. Approximately,
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when did you move into this apartment? Ransom? It was
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not long after I moved in with redacted, about two months,
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I think about two months, I think roughly, Menager. So
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you lived with redacted for about two months and then
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you moved into this other apartment, Ransom, that's correct, Mener.
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And how much were you paying for this new apartment? Ransom? Oh,
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it was Jeffrey's. I didn't pay a single thing, Menager.
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And who else lived in the apartment building? Answer? Quite
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a gosh, a few, actually, I recall redacted. So they're
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talking about the building on East sixty first Street here,
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and this is a building that Epstein owned with his
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brother Mark, and where a lot of these traffic girls
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had apartments. So, just for a little clarification, Menainger, do
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you know redacted's last name? Ransom? I can't remember her
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last name or Redacted's last name, Meninger. Okay, who else? Ransom?
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There were a few other girls. I can't remember their names, Meninger,
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none of them, Ransom, No, it was a long time ago, Menainger.
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What did they look like? These other women that you
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can't remember? Ransom? I can't remember. There were so many,
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there were so many girls, a constant influx of girls.
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How many McCauley objection, Ransom, I can't remember, Menager. Fifty.
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Gurgis objection, Ransom, I can't remember, Menager one hundred. Gurgis objection, Ransom,
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I can't remember, Menager. Can you say if it was
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more than a thousand or less? Gurgis objection, Ransom. I
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can't remember, Menager. You can't remember if it was more
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than a thousand? Ransom. I can't remember. Gurgis objection. McAuley objection.
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This is harassing. Gurgis objection. We're crossing a line here, Menager. Okay,
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I'm asking if she can remember if it was more
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than a thousand or less McCauley, but you haven't defined it.
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You're not saying where in the apartment in general, when
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she met Jeffrey, I mean to this, Menager cuts her off.
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I'm asking her she said there were so many women
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that there were an influx in the apartment, and I'm
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asking how many. McCauley. She didn't say in the apartment.
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Go back, look at the testimony, Ransom. In the apartment building, Menager,
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right in the building. How many females did you meet
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in the building. Gurgis objection, Ransom, I can't remember, Menager.
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And can you say it was more or less than
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one thousand? Gurgis objection, Ransom, It was less than a
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thousand girls, Menager. Was it less than one hundred? Ransom, Yes,
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it was less than one hundred Menager? Was it less
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than fifty? Ransom? I can't remember. Manager, apart from or dacted,
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can you name any other one of the females that
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you met in the apartment building? Gurgis objection, Ransom, I
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can't remember, Menager. Can you describe any of them? Gurgiz
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objection Ransom, I can't remember, Menager. Did you do any
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employment while you were here in the US in the
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fall of two thousand and six? Gurgis objection, Ransom. I
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did freelance modeling. Menager. Who did you do that for? Ransom?
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Various photonographers? Manager. Do you still have the photograph still? Ransom? No, Menager.
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Do you have a portfolio? Ransom? I used to have one. Manager.
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Do you currently have a portfolio? Ms McCauley objection, asked
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an answered Ransom, Yeah, I got a couple. Manager. Where
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are they? Ransom at home? Manager in Barcelona? Ransom, that's correct, Menager,
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Are they on a computer? Ransom? No, Manager, when you
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came to the US in the fall of two thousand
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and six, was there a limit on how long you
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could stay here? Mister Gergis objection, ransom, Yes, there was, Manager,
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What was that Ransom? It was a three month tourist visa. Manager.
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Were you permitted to be employed while you were here
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on a tourist visa? Gurgis objection. Hold on a second, here, Manager,
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I don't know what kind of visa she was on.
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I'm just asking the question, Gurgis. I don't know why
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her visa status is relevant or why we're going to
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get into things that redacted might be interested in. So
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I'm not going to have her sit here and testify
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about whether she was complying with immigration law or not. Menager,
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Is she taking the Fifth Amendment? Gurgis, I'm just not
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sure that you need to ask the question, Menager. Well,
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I did ask the question. I want to know if
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she was permitted on the type of visa she came
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in on the fall of two thousand and six to
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engage in paid work. Gurgis. Okay, now that I hear
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the question, you can answer it if you know the answer, Ransom, No, Menager, No,
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you were not permitted to do paid work, correct Ransom.
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That's correct, Manager, you did paid employment while you were
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here on the tourist visa, correct Ransom. I wouldn't quite say.
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I mean, I kind of. I wasn't that great at it.
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So I didn't make a lot of money doing modeling.
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I was too fat, apparently, so I wouldn't say I
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milked the bank there, Ransom, milk the bank with my
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modeling career. Then sarcastically, she adds a amazing modeling career. Manager,
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So you came over in order to further your education.
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I think you testified to earlier, correct Ransom. That's correct. Manager.
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So while you were here during those three months was
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it three months you said at first on the tourist visa,
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correct Ransom. Yeah. Manager. When you were here those first
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three months, what did you do to further your education? Ransom?
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I started looking at universities or colleges, researching what was
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the right one for me to go to. By that stage,
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I've I've always been interested in the fashion industry, designing, clothes, designing,
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and New York was well, this is the place to
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be for it. So yeah, I did quite a lot
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of research on which university, what kind of people there were,
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and etc. Etc. So, Manager, how were you supporting yourself
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while you were living in New York during the three
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month period after you initially arrived, Ransom, I had some savings. Manager.
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Was your family providing you any money? Ransom? No, Manager.
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Apart from your savings, was there any other source of
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income during October or so of two thousand and six?
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Ransom I did the occasional I guess job where I
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was called to entertain or spend time with people, But
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that was about it. Menager. What does that mean? Ransom? Well,
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I don't really like to use the word per se
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because you guys kind of in your legal minds have
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it in a box of what you think it is.
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But like, once or twice I was paid to spend
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dinner with a gentleman during that time, Menager. And how
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did you meet that gentleman? Ransom? It was through an agency. Manager.
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What was the name of that agency? Ransom, I can't remember, Menager.
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Do you know where it was located? Ransom? No, Manager,
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Do you know how much you were paid to spend
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dinner with a gentleman? Ransom? It depends on how long
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the dinner was for Menager and what was the most
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that you recall making for spending dinner with a gentleman
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Ransom fifteen hundred. Manager, did you engage in any sexual
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relations with the gentleman Ransom? One? Yeah, once or twice,
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but it was on my own accord. It was after
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that time period had finished. Manager, what time period? Ransom,
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my appointment, my dinner with them, Menager? Okay, Ransom, he
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just happened to be really good looking. Gergis, it's been
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about an hour. Maybe we can take five minutes, Manager, Sure,
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So we're gonna wrap up right here too, and in
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the next episode we'll pick up where we left off.
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