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Yadi's back! Lance, Matt, and Kyle react! Plus Hall of Fame discussion · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinals Territory.
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  Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Lancelin, Matt Holliday and Kyle Gibson. And gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: subscribe button now. One of the big stories from Cardinal
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  Speaker 1: World is that Yadier Molina is back with the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: in some official capacity. He has been hired as an
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  Speaker 1: advisor to heinm. Bloom, expected to work with the young
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  Speaker 1: Cardinal catchers in the minor leagues, and he'll make some appearance,
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  Speaker 1: which is with the big club being the dugout a
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  Speaker 1: little bit at some point. This season important for the
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals because in their top six prospects, three of them
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  Speaker 1: are catchers. They have a lot of wealth in terms
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  Speaker 1: of young They got Renelle Rodriguez, they got Leonardo Bernall
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  Speaker 1: and of course Jimmy Crooks So, Matt, I'm gonna start
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  Speaker 1: with you. Yachti's back in the fall. He had been
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  Speaker 1: an advisor UNDERMO, didn't really do that much publicly, but
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  Speaker 1: now he's got hands on responsibilities to work with young
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  Speaker 1: catching prospects.
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  Speaker 4: Matt, your thoughts, Yeah, I mean, I think it's exciting. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: had Yati as part of the organization is important. I'm
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  Speaker 4: just interested in how much, you know, how much he'll
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  Speaker 4: be doing, you know, I think the more the better,
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  Speaker 4: obviously with Yachti, but it felt like last year they've
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  Speaker 4: made a big announcement that he was back in the
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  Speaker 4: organization and then kind of just didn't know what he
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  Speaker 4: was doing are up to. I think he showed up,
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  Speaker 4: you know, in the dugout for a couple of days.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm excited. I hope he's more involved. I hope
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  Speaker 4: he's as active and as involved as possible and working
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  Speaker 4: with the young catchers like he talked about. But more
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  Speaker 4: importantly for me, I think having him around at the
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  Speaker 4: big league level would be would be great with with
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  Speaker 4: some of their catching and and some of the you know,
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  Speaker 4: some of their young catchers in the big league. So obviously,
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  Speaker 4: you know, great to have him in the organization can't
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  Speaker 4: see him anywhere else. If he wants to be part
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  Speaker 4: of an organization, I just hope they use him and
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  Speaker 4: and and take advantage of having a brilliant baseball mind
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  Speaker 4: uh as part of the organization. And and again, sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you don't know how much time yachti Iss is willing to.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I think John Well is maybe a senior
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  Speaker 4: in high school, so he's gonna want to be watching
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  Speaker 4: yon Well and and and maybe he might be a
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  Speaker 4: freshman heading to his freshman year in college. But anyways,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think he's play baseball in college. So
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  Speaker 4: sometimes in these situations, Yadi will kind of dictate how
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  Speaker 4: much he's involved. But if I was the Cardinals, I'll
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  Speaker 4: try to get him in there as much as possible.
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  Speaker 2: So Lances.
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  Speaker 1: As Matt points out, Yatti has been in this position
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  Speaker 1: before and again didn't do a ton that we knew
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  Speaker 1: about publicly. But I think for Yadi, it's a different time.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly it's time Bloom, it's a different president of baseball ops.
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  Speaker 1: But I think Yadi, who's already said he wants to
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  Speaker 1: manage in the big leagues, he's going to be managing
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  Speaker 1: Team Puerto Rico in the World Baseball class. He has
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  Speaker 1: his eyes set on taking that next step in terms
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  Speaker 1: of managing a team. And you would think, especially with
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  Speaker 1: these prospects that the Cardinals have and the young guys
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  Speaker 1: I have at the major league roster, this is really
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity for Yadi to get to where he wants
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  Speaker 1: to go. It's a different time for him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's part of the process that he's
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  Speaker 3: going to have to take to.
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  Speaker 5: Become a big league manager.
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  Speaker 3: You see, I just go into front offices as special
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  Speaker 3: assistant roles and things like that, kind of learn that
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  Speaker 3: part of the game so they can take it to.
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  Speaker 5: The dugout when when it comes their time.
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  Speaker 3: If Yady wants to be a manager, I think this
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  Speaker 3: is going to give him kind of the baseball knowledge
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  Speaker 3: of non or off the field. I guess behind the
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  Speaker 3: scenes what you know front offices do. If he's helping
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  Speaker 3: out in that situation, like I said, Like Matt said, though,
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  Speaker 3: it's like Yadi's going to kind of dictate what what
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  Speaker 3: he wants to do in the timeframe. I think the
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  Speaker 3: further you get out of it from playing, the more
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  Speaker 3: you are able to understand what time you're able to
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  Speaker 3: give to it and stuff like that. So I think
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  Speaker 3: this is his time to really understand, hey, I'm able
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  Speaker 3: to give this amount of time for this and that,
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  Speaker 3: and here's the direction I want to be able to
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  Speaker 3: help in and how it's going to move forward, maybe
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  Speaker 3: in this managerial quest to be a manager. So I
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  Speaker 3: think it's great for him, great for the organization. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's a good step for the organization getting quote
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  Speaker 3: unquote baseball people back in and helping players, especially younger
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  Speaker 3: players develop. There's been a lot of things that have
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  Speaker 3: been taken away from him of getting guys that played
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  Speaker 3: the game to help you know, uh, you know, usher
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  Speaker 3: them into the big leagues and how to how to
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  Speaker 3: do things, how to take some of these numbers and
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  Speaker 3: computer things that they're given and actually make them winning
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  Speaker 3: players on the field. So hopefully there's more to come
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  Speaker 3: for the Cardinals to be able to, you know, add
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  Speaker 3: a veteran or you know, older players that are retired
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  Speaker 3: that have played the game at a high level, that
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  Speaker 3: know how to use these things to help players better.
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  Speaker 3: And yachtis a great one, especially for I haven't right away.
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  Speaker 3: The first person I look at is is Herrera. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's gonna be a great tool for him to have.
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  Speaker 3: And if Ivan's got the ability to be a you know,
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  Speaker 3: all star catcher, he's got the best guy to help
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  Speaker 3: him get there.
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  Speaker 1: And people ask me, well, what's going to be different
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  Speaker 1: for YadA this time?
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  Speaker 5: Again?
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  Speaker 1: To me, different time for Yati. He has his eyes
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  Speaker 1: on on being a manager. But Kyle, the other thing
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  Speaker 1: is he was back with the team a little bit
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  Speaker 1: last year in his post cardinal playing career with YadA.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't when he was back, he was in and out.
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  Speaker 1: This time last season, he was mingling, he was talking
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  Speaker 1: to the young players. He talked about wanting to be
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  Speaker 1: more involved from a pitching standpoint. He was a former pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: To have catchers behind the plate who were taught by
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  Speaker 1: one of the great the game's all time greats. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think that means for pictures no one, that
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  Speaker 1: that catcher was taught by Yadi or Molina.
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  Speaker 6: I think it means a lot, you know, being in
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  Speaker 6: the organization just for a year, I still, you know, weird.
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  Speaker 6: I was a couple of years after Yadi, and you
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  Speaker 6: still kind of felt the weight that Yadi carry and
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  Speaker 6: you still kind of felt the impact that he had
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  Speaker 6: on the catchers on the pitchers and on that system.
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  Speaker 6: So I mean, I think it, Yeah, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 6: big for those catchers and big for the pitchers. Anytime
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  Speaker 6: that you can have somebody who can help you take
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  Speaker 6: analytics and make it usable and you know, put it.
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  Speaker 7: In terms you understand.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe if they just say it in a little different
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  Speaker 6: way than the coaching staff currently, it can be you know,
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  Speaker 6: a really big deal. One thing, a couple of things
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  Speaker 6: that stand on. One thing that Lance said was just
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  Speaker 6: the timing of it right, you know, and kind of
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  Speaker 6: goes back to what Matt said about he's been on
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  Speaker 6: there for a couple of years now, but maybe the
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  Speaker 6: timing for Yadi just works out where he's ready to
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  Speaker 6: be more involved. And I think, you know, one thing
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  Speaker 6: Matt said was you bring him on a couple of
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  Speaker 6: years ago because.
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  Speaker 7: You want him to be in the organization and stay
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  Speaker 7: in the organization.
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  Speaker 6: If you let him go be a special assistant somewhere else,
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  Speaker 6: you may not get him back. So I understand fans
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  Speaker 6: are probably really excited that they named him a special assistant.
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  Speaker 6: I think that was Lance's dream, you know, two years ago,
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  Speaker 6: right out of the shoot anyways, to be named a
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  Speaker 6: special assistant October tenth and twenty twenty four, but it
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  Speaker 6: just didn't happen yet. But I mean, I think now
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  Speaker 6: you see this year, I think you'll see Yadi a
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  Speaker 6: lot more.
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  Speaker 7: I think he has a great relationship from the sounds.
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  Speaker 6: Of it, with Ali, And when a guy like Yadi
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  Speaker 6: comes in, the egos kind of have to go out
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  Speaker 6: the door a little bit. And you got to understand
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  Speaker 6: that YACHTI is going to have some latitude here to
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  Speaker 6: go and talk to guys and have conversations that maybe
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  Speaker 6: you're not always privy to, maybe you didn't always okay
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  Speaker 6: ahead of time, But Yadi's gonna carry some weight in
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  Speaker 6: that room. And I think it's a good thing for
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  Speaker 6: the culture and a good thing for the team.
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  Speaker 1: I'd say all three of you guys are known for
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  Speaker 1: that competitive fire, but Matt, you were teammates with with YACHTI,
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  Speaker 1: tell me about that fire and what you saw with
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  Speaker 1: him as a player that hopefully he can ignite that
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  Speaker 1: spark with young guys and put them on the right track.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think for me, the thing that the
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  Speaker 4: work ethic, the preparation, the the idea that he the
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  Speaker 4: comfort level that he gave pictures that whatever he was
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  Speaker 4: putting down I guess now would be whatever he is
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  Speaker 4: typing into his Nigu shint guard.
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  Speaker 2: Was well thought out.
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  Speaker 4: Was you know that he had put the time and
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  Speaker 4: effort in and the picture could simply just acute pitches
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  Speaker 4: and didn't have to worry about if he was throwing
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  Speaker 4: the right pitch or maybe you know, what was going
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  Speaker 4: on with the hitters.
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  Speaker 2: So I think he.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot of great things to say
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  Speaker 4: about YACHTI obviously, like I said, his work ethic is
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  Speaker 4: his preparation, his his intensity, his love for the game,
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  Speaker 4: constantly learning, constantly watching video looking for little things. So
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  Speaker 4: I think having him around and and and like and
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  Speaker 4: like kylin Land said, having him around Herrera and some
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  Speaker 4: of these these catchers, if you if you can develop catchers,
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  Speaker 4: they carry tremendous value in the trade market. So if
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  Speaker 4: if some of these young guys are or he can
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  Speaker 4: help develop these guys into into like you know, potential
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  Speaker 4: all stars, you can trade these these some of these
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  Speaker 4: young catchers maybe.
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  Speaker 2: For bigger holes that you have other places.
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  Speaker 4: So the idea that he could come in and and
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  Speaker 4: sort of be a catching whisper and and maybe, like
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  Speaker 4: I said, turn some of these young catchers into valuable
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  Speaker 4: pieces that you can use to help build this this
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  Speaker 4: roster back to a world series roster is something that
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  Speaker 4: I'm intrigued about now.
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  Speaker 1: Adam Wainwright once told me, Lance, when you're the picture
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  Speaker 1: and you're on the mound, it's your game. So if
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  Speaker 1: you got to shake off Yata, you shake off YACHTI
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  Speaker 1: But the question is, what's that like for a picture?
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  Speaker 1: When Yady wants you to throw a certain pitch and
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  Speaker 1: you want to throw another, how does that shake out?
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  Speaker 5: Just depends on who you are with him to be
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  Speaker 5: honest with yet not.
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  Speaker 3: Seeing him get it, get in get into some people's
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  Speaker 3: ass that didn't really know what they were shaken to.
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  Speaker 3: If they didn't have a rhyme or reason for it,
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  Speaker 3: he would he would get upset.
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  Speaker 5: But if you had a rhyme or reason for it.
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  Speaker 5: He was great to work with.
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  Speaker 3: So and you you know, you do a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the research and stuff that you need to do to
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  Speaker 3: get ready for hitters, and you run that stuff by him,
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  Speaker 3: and you guys talk and stuff like that. He was
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  Speaker 3: He was great to work with. He understood guys, and
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  Speaker 3: then guys that uh come in and uh shake just
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  Speaker 3: because they they didn't know what they wanted to do.
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  Speaker 5: Uh. He would tell them, hey, what do we what
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  Speaker 5: do we got going on here? And why?
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  Speaker 3: And if you didn't give him the answer he was
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  Speaker 3: looking for or or give him an answer that made
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  Speaker 3: sense because you're hey, I was just feeling this one,
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  Speaker 3: he would tell you, Hey, I've been back there the
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  Speaker 3: whole game, so let's uh, let's let's stay let's stay
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  Speaker 3: in tune with what I'm doing, especially when relievers come in.
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  Speaker 3: So but like you said, man, he's great. Uh, he's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be great for these young starters too. People don't
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  Speaker 3: realize what catchers see. And when you're on the mount
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  Speaker 3: and they teach you the stuff they see, and then
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  Speaker 3: you can slow the game down and see what hitters
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  Speaker 3: are doing too. It makes you, uh the ability to
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  Speaker 3: execute pitches easier too. So it's gonna be all around.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna be great for him to be around these guys,
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  Speaker 3: especially the either pitchers and catchers, how they communicate stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that. So the guys are getting on the same page.
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  Speaker 1: But when you look at what the Cardinals have in
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  Speaker 1: terms of catching, right, that's a spot where sometimes you
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  Speaker 1: don't have a lot of prospects. You have a ton
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  Speaker 1: of offense. The Cardinals have an embarrassment of riches. You
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  Speaker 1: have the prospects that already mentioned at the big league level.
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  Speaker 1: You guys talked about Herrero, who's got a tremendous upside
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  Speaker 1: and he wants to catch. You have Poso, you have
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  Speaker 1: pa has. That's a pretty good position to be in
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  Speaker 1: if you're if you're on a build, as they say,
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  Speaker 1: or tear down, but as a as a as a
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  Speaker 1: term build we'll go with for now. To have that
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  Speaker 1: kind of equity behind the plate, you have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of possibilities of things you can do.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think you know, I'm not talking about,
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  Speaker 6: you know, creating players that are you know, maybe become
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  Speaker 6: good trade chips or or whatever it may be. But
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you also, you just never know when injuries
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  Speaker 6: are gonna happen. You never know when a guy cycle
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  Speaker 6: of his career just hits a spot where he needs
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  Speaker 6: to go to first or is you know, not doesn't
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  Speaker 6: have the health to be a catcher. But man, Yanni
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  Speaker 6: just from I never played with him, but everything I heard,
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  Speaker 6: he just noticed the things that not everybody noticed.
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  Speaker 7: And that's one thing about some of the catchers that
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  Speaker 7: I have had.
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  Speaker 6: The the ability to throw to the real Muto's, the Travino's,
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  Speaker 6: the Rutchman's, maur Cash like I can name.
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  Speaker 7: All of my catchers were awesome.
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  Speaker 6: But they noticed the little things, and I knew that
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  Speaker 6: they were putting in just as much work as I was,
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  Speaker 6: and then allowed that trust. And I assume that's how
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  Speaker 6: YACHTI was. I assume Yadi would notice whenever his second
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  Speaker 6: ab of a guy when you pounded him inside, you know,
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  Speaker 6: he took a half a step away from the plate
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  Speaker 6: to assuming it's coming. Yanni noticed those things, and as
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  Speaker 6: the catchers learned to notice those things, it's only gonna
• 13:41
  Speaker 6: make everybody else better.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Jones Cardinal.
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  Speaker 1: Carlos Beltran both voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: Both worthy inductees when they finally are inducted. Although Carlos,
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  Speaker 1: you know, had the little cheating scandal in Houston. We
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  Speaker 1: can get to that later if time permits. Andrew Jones
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  Speaker 1: great numbers, no question about it. To me, a Hall
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  Speaker 1: on base percentage, slug ops Jones ten gold gloves Jimmy
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  Speaker 5: Both great.
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  Speaker 1: I always thought Edmunds was a tick better than Jones defensively,
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  Speaker 1: but certainly if there's room for Jones, there should be
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  Speaker 1: in the Hall at least at some point?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I mean when you look at the numbers and
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  Speaker 2: Mess, if you will.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I look at carlos Veltron, who obviously you know,
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  Speaker 4: we played with and I know very well as a
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  Speaker 4: great player, and I look at his numbers, and then
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  Speaker 4: first ballot, and Lance I look at Lance's numbers and
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: I wonder how how he's not more appreciated for the
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: So it is interesting to see how some of these
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: guys game.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Momentum and some guys just can't can't get any momentum
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: at all, don't even make it past the first ballot.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, for you know, Lance Berkman and Jim Edmonds
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: to not make it off the first ballot of the
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, if to me, it's crazy. I mean,
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: I think when you start looking about looking at what
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: they say the qualifications are, you know, ten years of dominance,
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: I would say, you know, both of those guys. In
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: my mind, I didn't play Jim's you know, older than
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: than than me, and so I didn't play against him
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: a ton. You know, he was kind of at the
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: back end of his career when I played against him.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: But having played against all these guys, I mean, if
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: if if Carlos Beltron and and Andrew Jenes are Hall
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: of Famers, then I think Jim Edmonds and Lance Berkman
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: are Hall of Famers. And I think that's why we have, uh,
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: this Veterans Committee is able to maybe take a deeper
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: dive into into some of this stuff.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: And and now that we're we have more metrics, and
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: we have more numbers, and we have maybe an appreciation
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: for guys maybe that we didn't before.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: But uh, like I said, my hat's off to Andrew,
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: and and and Carlos both deserving great players. But uh,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: and for the conversations, take of the conversation and in
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: the in the cardinal, uh you know, world, I think
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Lance Berkman and and and Jim Edmonds also belong in
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: I agree with that.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I should have brought up Berkman too, but you talk
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: about how things change with additional information and more metrics added.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Ted Simmons got in late when people started looking at
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: his career and going, wow, this guy deserves to be
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. So Lance, you know, to me,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I look at Edmunds specifically, also Berkman, but Jim Edmonds
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: to me, changed the game just defensively, offensively. He was
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a dominant hitter for a good stretch, but he played
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: so shallow. He took away part of the field that
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: pitchers had to love that if you hit it over
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: his head, he'd go and get it. Just your thoughts
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: on Edmunds and Berkman as possible Hall of Famers at
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: some point down the road.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that now that Jones got in, I
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: think there's no doubt in the Veterans Committee. That's when
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: when Jim gets in, and I think it's going to
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: be an easy case for them to make now because
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: of Andrew getting in, which I think they both deserve
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: to be in in the just by eyeball test. When
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I was growing up watching them play, like those are
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: two guys that you know when you're you kind of like, man,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: that guy is a great player, and then you go
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: down and look at the numbers. They're very comparable. They
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: played for a long time, they did a lot of
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: great things. All the numbers are there to be Hall
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: of famers. You know, I don't know Lance's comparables to
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: uh Carlos because we didn't have those today because you've
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: dropped the ball on that gym. But Lance Berkman, Lance
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Berkman was one of those guys too. Me are growing
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: up like, there's guys that you watched growing up and
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: you're like, man, that guy is like a generational player
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: type of person. And then you go back and look
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: at the numbers, and now you know why they stood off.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: They stood out compared to everybody else. And I think
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Lance Berkman's one of those people too. So with this,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: with this vote, that could be good for both of
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: them in the Veterans Committee.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, I did drop the ball some. The right thing
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: to do for a guy hosting is a me imediately
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: change direction and distract.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: We understand you guys work together for a while, and
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: you've been writing Jim's cotail for years too, so we
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: totally get it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: We got it, that's true. But when you talk about
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Carlos Beltron, and this might be dicey for former players, right,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of guys who won't get in at present.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: It doesn't look like they have a path, but maybe
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: should because they cheat it and use performance enhancing drugs.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: You look at belt Trunk, some would say, well that
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: guy was part of the cheating scandal. Does that mean
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: that we're going to open the door to guys who
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: cut corners? So I'll start with you, Kyle. Is that
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: a legitimate question for me to ask as I immediately
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: try to distract from me leaving out Lance Berkman.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so the pivot's not going to work because I
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: would like to put some input as well Jim, And
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: so I'm gonna go ahead and do that and then
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: I'll go to the next part.
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: But fair enough. I mean, I think.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: That there are certain times where it seems like the writers,
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: maybe this is their right, because it is their Hall
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: of fame, they try to be extremely exclusive and get
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: maybe the best center fielder from the generation. Jones and
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: Edmonds overlapped a lot right most of their career, so
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: if they in their mind they were trying to get
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: the best center fielder of the time. Okay, a few
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: more gold gloves, they were probably one in two most
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: years when Jim was in the NL. What Jim's six
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: home runs short of four hundred if he has four
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: hundred to see a shoe win is kind of silly. So,
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think those guys are right. The Veterans
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: Committee will get him in. It's just kind of crazy
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: they didn't even get a chance to stay on when
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: a lot of those numbers showed that he had a
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: better overall career. Lance Berkman probably the same thing. But
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: I'll follow what Lance lind said. We'd love to see it,
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: but I'm not going to sit here on my phone
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: and look at stats, you know, because you didn't let
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: him know we were gonna talk about it, all right,
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: So to pivot now to the cheating, I think, I think,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: I think we have a totally different conversation when it
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: comes to signs dealing with video camera live feeds that
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: were given to the teams, not initiated by the players
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: and pds. All right, So I'm not trying to get
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: defensive and get on your caser gym, although maybe I should,
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: because I don't think that's quite an apples to apples comparison,
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: because if you look around the league, everybody was trying
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: to find a way to break catcher signs and to
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: figure out what pitch was coming, whether it's looking in
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: the glob whatever. Now, did everybody have a live camera
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: feed on the catcher's fingers every pitch? No, but I
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: can tell you the Astros were not the only team.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: So I just think.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: That I don't think that's gonna get held against So
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: if Alex Bregnant keeps having a great career like he is,
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: he's going to be a Hall of Famer, even though
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: he was on the Astros teams. Jose Al Tuvey, all
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: those guys. Sure it's a blemish, Maybe something hold it
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: against them. But man, if we're being honest, there was
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: a lot of teams who are trying to crack the
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: code on signs and get any advantage they could that
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: did not have to do with putting illegal substances into
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: their body.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: Fair enough.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And I also, if you talk about if I can
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: pivot back writers trying to get the best at the time,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: there was a time in baseball where you had Duke
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Snyder in centerfield, Willie Mays in centerfield, Mickey mannlin centerfield,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: all in New York. So it's not trying to get
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: the best at the time, it's trying to get all
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the best guys in.
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: But Matt, centerfield is as premium centerfield is. I just
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: heard the other day there's like nine center fielders in
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame.
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: It's a really low number.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: Somebody maybe nine is a little low, But how is
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: centerfield is premium a position and all the good players
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: nine to ten center fielders in the entire game, that's
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: not a lot.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, Matt, I wanted to ask you about del
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Tron and the cheating thing. Are you saying also, like, look,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't get my pick. I'm just throwing a question
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: out there is there any similarity between the ped guys
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and guys involved in that scandal.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I agree with Kyle. I don't really think that there's.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: People have been trying to steal signs forever and now
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: was this a little bit over the line? Probably so,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: I I do. I do think it's very different when
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: you started talking about guys were taking steroids and and
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: uh and pds and and uh. You know that, that
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: to me is is different certainly. Uh you know, I
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: think people will never uh not talk about Josel Tube
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: without bringing that up. I think Carlos kind of probably
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: gets around that a little bit because he wasn't you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: it's kind of late in his career, and he wasn't
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: one of the main guys on their team at that point.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: He was kind of more of a veteran uh leader,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: didn't really wasn't really carrying a lot of the freight.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: But I do think that guys like al Tu Bay
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: and and maybe maybe Bregmant a little bit. But I think,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: you know, a guy like Alto Bay, fans are gonna
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: I think they're gonna tie that one to him, uh,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: probably more than any of those other guys. I don't
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: think people when they think about Carlos Beltron's career goes
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: straight to.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: You know, the Houston Astros scandal.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I think they think more about him as a met
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: and a royal than necessarily you know, the end when
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: he was with the Astros and and that that whole
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: thing happened.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: So I think it's it's a totally different deal.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: And and uh, could I say, you know, someday, would
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: have surprised me if they held out to be out
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: if he you know, if they say he was considered
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: a first ballot Hall of Famer, if if the voters
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: held it against him for a year or two, could
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I see that happening?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Sure? Uh, But I don't think.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: The rest of these guys, uh necessarily are going to
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: be thrown into the the cheating sort of category, like
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: like the steroid guys.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Lance you think guys eventually get in the hall, I
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: mean the way it's looking, No, I think they should.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: And I think they should have a big old like
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: middle finger next to them, just to so everyone knows
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: what they did type thing. You know, maybe that's you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: maybe that's the.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Black eye they need.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Hey, you're in, but double birds, you know what I'm
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: saying something like that, but I think they I think
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: they should be in like they're a story of the game,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: and they were, they were, like some of them were
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the best of their generation. And you can't tell me
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: for a ten year period of time like a good
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: chunk of players weren't doing it, And you can't tell
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: me that there's not a PD user in already.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: I don't think. So That's where I'm at on that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: Kyle?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Final question and we'll let you guys go. H is
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: for you same as Lance. Do you think eventually ped
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: guys will get in? And are you four against that?
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: I think it'll probably be more on the Veterans Committee
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: and those guys if they were to look back and say, hey,
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: were we all kind of doing something or were a
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: lot of us kind of doing something? Let's go ahead
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: and recognize these guys.
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: I don't think the writers will get you, no, and
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: I don't necessarily think they should. I don't know. That's
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: a tough one.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: I know it wasn't technically illegal in some instances, but
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: in a lot of instances it was.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: History will tell of eventually. The plaques have middle fingers
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: on them for the ped guys as they get into
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the hall. Gentlemen, thank you, good job as always, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that will do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: We'll see you on the next edition, hopefully that one
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: won't suck.