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Embracing Change and Reinvention with Broadway Actor David Josefsberg · STOPTIME: Live in the Moment.

• 0:23
  Lisa Hopkins: Hey there, today's episode holds a really special place in my heart.
• 0:27
  Lisa Hopkins: David Josephsberg and I first met on the podcast during the pandemic, when he so generously joined the show in season one.
• 0:37
  Lisa Hopkins: Since that time, the conversation has continued and David has been a client and we've had such a great time co-creating a coaching relationship and working through things together.
• 0:54
  Lisa Hopkins: And he's been generous enough to come on and have a coaching conversation with me and share what's changed and what insights have have come into his world since we last heard from him four years ago.
• 1:07
  Lisa Hopkins: He's a big favorite.
• 1:09
  Lisa Hopkins: He remains one of my most popular episodes.
• 1:11
  Lisa Hopkins: He's a very close colleague and friend and client of mine and I am so grateful to have him here to share this conversation with you today.
• 1:22
  Lisa Hopkins: So enjoy.
• 1:25
  Lisa Hopkins: This is the Stop Time Podcast.
• 1:27
  Lisa Hopkins: I'm your host, lisa Hopkins, and I'm here to engage you in thought-provoking, motivational conversations around practicing the art of living in the moment.
• 1:37
  Lisa Hopkins: I'm a certified life coach and I'm excited to dig deep and offer insights into embracing who we are and where we are at.
• 1:45
  Lisa Hopkins: Who we are and where we are at.
• 1:54
  Lisa Hopkins: So today I'm absolutely thrilled to welcome back a very special guest, david Josephsberg.
• 1:57
  Lisa Hopkins: So David first joined us back in July 2020.
• 2:02
  Lisa Hopkins: Wow, yeah, during the heart of the pandemic and he was one of the first guests to grace our show.
• 2:09
  Lisa Hopkins: I think you were number four or something like that, but you were there in the first month and it's wonderful to have him return to share his journey since then, portraying Strickland and frequently stepping in as the understudy for Roger Bart in the iconic role of Doc Brown.
• 2:29
  Lisa Hopkins: His impressive Broadway career spans numerous critically acclaimed shows, including Spamalot, beetlejuice, the Prom Waitress and Act of God, honeymood in Vegas, motown Wedding Singer, les Mis and Grease.
• 2:42
  Lisa Hopkins: Need I say more?
• 2:43
  Lisa Hopkins: When we last spoke on the podcast in July 2020, david was starring in Broadway's Beetlejuice, which, like the rest of Broadway in the world, had been shut down by the pandemic four months earlier, on March 12th.
• 2:56
  Lisa Hopkins: So today we're going to catch up on David's recent adventures, his current happenings and roles on Broadway.
• 3:03
  Lisa Hopkins: What's been going on since we last talked and we're just going to dive in.
• 3:16
  Lisa Hopkins: David, it's so great to have you back.
• 3:17
  Lisa Hopkins: Great Scott, oh no, it's super.
• 3:17
  Lisa Hopkins: I'm super happy to be back.
• 3:18
  Lisa Hopkins: It's this, you know.
• 3:20
  Lisa Hopkins: I'm excited, I love talking with you.
• 3:21
  Lisa Hopkins: Ditto, ditto.
• 3:22
  Lisa Hopkins: So it's so interesting to think about a four-year span.
• 3:26
  Lisa Hopkins: Like I was listening.
• 3:27
  Lisa Hopkins: This morning I went back and listened.
• 3:28
  Lisa Hopkins: I don't usually go back and listen.
• 3:30
  Lisa Hopkins: I just I'm so like that I don't know if you're like that with your performances, but like I just don't go back, I'm like so in them, and then they're nicely received and that's all I need to know, and then you know so.
• 3:42
  Lisa Hopkins: But this morning I thought, god, when was it that we spoke?
• 3:44
  Lisa Hopkins: Right, yeah, so so I literally went back and I was like I listened to it this morning over coffee and first, hey, it was a joy that we didn't know each other like at all, no.
• 3:58
  Lisa Hopkins: So what did I even say?
• 3:59
  Lisa Hopkins: I don't even know what, what.
• 4:01
  Lisa Hopkins: What did I say?
• 4:02
  Lisa Hopkins: I like to listen to.
• 4:04
  Lisa Hopkins: It's fun.
• 4:04
  Lisa Hopkins: It's really fun because, first of all, what stood out to me was I mean now you know we often talk about this, right Like I have now hindsight, like I have four years of working and being with you and knowing you, so this is such a cool space, yeah, wasa, like how we just vibed immediately, yeah, and we didn't know each other at all, so I think we both came into it totally on the level of no expectations, yeah yeah, it is, and I did you know, so I do know some of your weight at that.
• 4:48
  David Josefsberg: yeah, at that point I still knew some of your students who, at least I had a.
• 4:51
  David Josefsberg: I got a vibe from what's going to come and then I just think it's, you know, as I think it was just energy and click and just yeah, it's just been a.
• 5:02
  David Josefsberg: It's started off these next four years with a nice bang.
• 5:06
  Lisa Hopkins: It's started off these next four years with a nice bang?
• 5:07
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, no, truly so.
• 5:08
  Lisa Hopkins: Talk to me.
• 5:09
  Lisa Hopkins: Where should we begin?
• 5:11
  Lisa Hopkins: What are some of the greatest learnings and shifts and whatever that you'd like to share since we spoke Four years it's four years, david since that podcast?
• 5:23
  David Josefsberg: That is shocking to me.
• 5:24
  David Josefsberg: It literally feels like it could be a year or like a year.
• 5:27
  David Josefsberg: I know it's not, but it feels like it's been so, like I don't know.
• 5:31
  David Josefsberg: I don't know if it's at this age.
• 5:32
  David Josefsberg: It's just hurtling towards something, but that's great.
• 5:37
  David Josefsberg: That's amazing too, and it is interesting.
• 5:39
  David Josefsberg: I haven't even really given it much thought, which is probably the thing that I've learned the most from you is to give something some thoughts and just don't be fly by.
• 5:48
  David Josefsberg: Fly by my seat in my pants, Dave.
• 5:49
  David Josefsberg: But I think back then, so I was beginning, I was in Beetlejuice, right, which I still.
• 5:58
  David Josefsberg: Well, we can talk about how?
• 6:00
  David Josefsberg: About as an actor or as my career.
• 6:02
  Lisa Hopkins: Whatever you want, yeah, go.
• 6:04
  Lisa Hopkins: Whichever way you want to go, yeah.
• 6:05
  David Josefsberg: Why not?
• 6:05
  David Josefsberg: Because that's where the biggest change in my life has.
• 6:08
  David Josefsberg: Well, one of the biggest changes has happened since working with you, since talking to you four years ago was, I think, that I had created this persona or this work guy who was.
• 6:21
  David Josefsberg: There was so much fear and so much not unhappiness but limiting beliefs, telling me that I had to do something because I needed my memory to be better.
• 6:32
  David Josefsberg: I needed something else to be better.
• 6:33
  David Josefsberg: Or there's nothing else I can do in the world, or there's nothing, this and that.
• 6:38
  David Josefsberg: So I think, through Beetlejuice, through Beetlejuice, through what was next after Beetlejuice was Spamalot, through this is I have fallen back in love with this side of my career, which has helped I refound the joy and the passion because I'm not just here these are probably words that you've said words that I'm not just here saying, words that are on the page to just to the audience, to get it correct.
• 7:22
  David Josefsberg: I'm connecting with people.
• 7:25
  David Josefsberg: I'm not just focusing on what are the next words.
• 7:28
  David Josefsberg: I'm in the moment of the show, especially it's, it's and it's grown, like Beetlejuice was one.
• 7:32
  David Josefsberg: I guess the shows are have been things where I didn't have the opportunity to necessarily cram the words as before I get on stage.
• 7:44
  David Josefsberg: So I have to be there and be in the moment and it's been.
• 7:47
  David Josefsberg: It's been thrilling, which is not a word.
• 7:49
  David Josefsberg: So I have to be there and be in the moment and it's been thrilling, which is not a word that I have ever have been saying about the career in a while.
• 7:56
  Lisa Hopkins: That's interesting, yeah.
• 7:57
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
• 7:59
  Lisa Hopkins: What were some of the biggest challenges?
• 8:01
  Lisa Hopkins: Like, I remember working with you and talking about, like, if I'm looking back to the trajectory, you and actually from listening to the first podcast which listeners you should go back and listen because it's interesting and it's not that there's been some epic change.
• 8:11
  Lisa Hopkins: In fact, what you're going to see is a through line of David's values and now you're going to see them kind of living out in real time, like when he really started to focus on like to really let them out right and to recognize them and it's really really cool let them out right and to recognize them and it's really really cool.
• 8:31
  Lisa Hopkins: And, like you just shared that sort of like the reframe of what you know.
• 8:33
  Lisa Hopkins: You got to sort of know what it was like to not have it, so that you could realize and reinvent your relationship with what it is and what it can be, which is cool.
• 8:42
  Lisa Hopkins: I do remember you saying well, first of all, you thought you know it's not going to be that long anyway, so this is fantastic.
• 8:49
  Lisa Hopkins: This is like.
• 8:50
  Lisa Hopkins: This is like a break.
• 8:51
  Lisa Hopkins: Everything's lined up.
• 8:52
  Lisa Hopkins: I'm in a really great show that's not going to close right away, for sure, and it didn't close right.
• 8:57
  Lisa Hopkins: I mean, you did go back.
• 8:58
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, we did go back.
• 8:59
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, what was that timeframe when you went back?
• 9:02
  David Josefsberg: Two years.
• 9:03
  David Josefsberg: I feel like it was right About two years.
• 9:03
  David Josefsberg: How.
• 9:04
  David Josefsberg: I feel like it was right About two years.
• 9:05
  Lisa Hopkins: How long did you know that you were going back?
• 9:07
  Lisa Hopkins: So what was that waiting period for you?
• 9:09
  Lisa Hopkins: I mean, you never really know, but you kind of knew, right.
• 9:17
  David Josefsberg: It was quite a bit of time.
• 9:17
  David Josefsberg: It was over a year and a half, I feel like.
• 9:18
  David Josefsberg: I'm not fully remembering exactly, but I'm pretty sure it was most of that.
• 9:20
  David Josefsberg: There was a hope, but in this business, as you know, hope is you know.
• 9:28
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, and I remember you know hope is, you know, yeah, and I remember you know, because we were working together during that time, I remember you starting to again really find new aspects of yourself that you had time to embrace, and that it didn't feel so much like you were like, oh, I have to pivot, but more like well, literally like I say oh, I get to do this, oh, I get to do more of this and more of that I get to.
• 9:48
  David Josefsberg: I get to instead of I have to, or else why are you doing it?
• 9:52
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, and you were living it.
• 9:53
  Lisa Hopkins: You were living it Right.
• 9:54
  Lisa Hopkins: And and then I remember that your struggle was not oh, my God, what am I going to do without it?
• 10:00
  Lisa Hopkins: You're like, oh, when you know we are doing it again.
• 10:04
  Lisa Hopkins: And then then it slipped down to those shoulds, right, Like well, I should be happy about it.
• 10:08
  Lisa Hopkins: And you were but right, but talk to me about that space.
• 10:13
  Lisa Hopkins: And I remember, like having to think about rethinking you know, those limiting beliefs.
• 10:20
  Lisa Hopkins: That has to be the same way.
• 10:21
  Lisa Hopkins: Like I remember that, coming up, you were like, oh, now I have to.
• 10:23
  Lisa Hopkins: You know, you start thinking about all the data you have, about what it was like, right, yeah, yeah, and I think that you know.
• 10:31
  David Josefsberg: So I've taken a lot of that with me too.
• 10:32
  David Josefsberg: You know I took that.
• 10:33
  David Josefsberg: I still do breath work, I still do these other things, but I think also the, the.
• 10:39
  David Josefsberg: You know before.
• 10:39
  David Josefsberg: I don't know if this is exactly on that subject, but how this affects my entire life too, because before I was back in the comfort zone in this and right instead of the, I should do this because it makes me the money.
• 10:52
  David Josefsberg: I should do this.
• 10:52
  David Josefsberg: I have refound this that I get to, and I think that affects everything.
• 10:56
  David Josefsberg: It affects drinking, because the drinking would make, would calm me to.
• 11:00
  David Josefsberg: If I'm going to get through this, I'm going to have my drinks.
• 11:03
  David Josefsberg: Now I can, I get to have a drink if I choose to, but it's not like self-medicating over and we slide sometimes, but it's not self-medicating of of, because I have to do this, this, this job, where I don't trust myself.
• 11:19
  David Josefsberg: That was a big word when you gave me trust and physicalizing trust and becoming trust.
• 11:25
  David Josefsberg: Um, what was your question again?
• 11:27
  David Josefsberg: Realizing trust and becoming trust.
• 11:28
  David Josefsberg: What was?
• 11:29
  Lisa Hopkins: your question again.
• 11:30
  Lisa Hopkins: This is what I love about David?
• 11:31
  David Josefsberg: is he just goes?
• 11:32
  David Josefsberg: I have no idea what my question answer.
• 11:35
  Lisa Hopkins: What I was supposed to be saying it's okay, just talk about what you want to talk about, because it's again the question was is generating some beautiful energy?
• 11:45
  Lisa Hopkins: So just, I mean I, you know I was talking about the shift, right, the shift of the, of the reinventing your relationship.
• 11:49
  Lisa Hopkins: I think we're kind of honing in on the how, because I think I think your relationship with you know, with with this sort of you know, oh yeah, no, I get to do this and actually I really want to do this, that was discovered, that's really cool.
• 12:03
  Lisa Hopkins: But then it came to the how and sometimes, when we get to the practical things, we start relying on how we did it before.
• 12:12
  David Josefsberg: Right?
• 12:12
  David Josefsberg: Do you see what I'm saying?
• 12:13
  Lisa Hopkins: Yes, yes and you struggled there, right, but you were a different person, so talk to me about that.
• 12:28
  David Josefsberg: We discovered that probably even in the first one.
• 12:29
  David Josefsberg: I don't remember that these thoughts come from college and I'm a singer and I'm not really in the acting world as much as them.
• 12:33
  David Josefsberg: So I have to memorize and grab, hold and squeeze everything so tightly and work really hard.
• 12:40
  David Josefsberg: And this is a job, and I think, coming to this place of no, no, no, no, no, and it's back before that, when I was younger and it would have just allow it all to come out, and then it was then this transformation into the what is.
• 12:58
  David Josefsberg: I can't exactly verbalize it it's, but it's it's.
• 13:00
  David Josefsberg: It is trust and it is giving yourself fully and being vulnerable to make the mistakes and not feeling like you just because something worked okay.
• 13:15
  David Josefsberg: Back to branches.
• 13:16
  David Josefsberg: Just because something worked successfully on this branch doesn't mean we don't need to explore these other branches to see if those branches are even better and you know what it turns out, they are even better.
• 13:27
  David Josefsberg: To see if those branches are even better and you know what it turns out, they are even better.
• 13:31
  David Josefsberg: And even now that doesn't mean that, even right here, I can't go spring off of all these different branches and find other ways to do it.
• 13:36
  David Josefsberg: But I think that was it was finding part of.
• 13:41
  David Josefsberg: It is finding awareness and giving myself a seat back to give myself an overview of what I truly am feeling, what I truly like, what is really true for me right in this moment as an actor on the stages and in my life, and trying new things, not being afraid to jump off the diving board.
• 14:01
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, and I mean I would challenge you a little bit on that, because I don't think you are afraid to try new things.
• 14:07
  Lisa Hopkins: I don't think you've ever been afraid.
• 14:09
  Lisa Hopkins: I think that you do it and you carry the fear with you.
• 14:13
  Lisa Hopkins: Maybe I get that, but I would venture to say that you do scary things.
• 14:17
  Lisa Hopkins: You can receive that or not receive that Sure.
• 14:21
  David Josefsberg: I like that.
• 14:21
  David Josefsberg: I like that.
• 14:22
  David Josefsberg: It sounds good to me.
• 14:23
  Lisa Hopkins: Do you know what I mean?
• 14:24
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 14:25
  Lisa Hopkins: But it's interesting because what's coming to me is, I remember and again I'm going back to the how, because I think it's important we talk a lot about in mindfulness and stuff, about your why, knowing your why and knowing that you're coming from a true place, and I think that's obviously extremely important.
• 14:44
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, and then we talk about, if you want, using your verbiage, like branches of your why.
• 14:53
  Lisa Hopkins: Right, so you know you're a giver, for sure, that's one branch of you, though it doesn't need to be your absolute, the way you always go to please.
• 15:01
  Lisa Hopkins: I think we discovered a lot of that, that that's a gift that you have and it's something that you love to do.
• 15:06
  Lisa Hopkins: But it, just because you love it and just because it's your gift doesn't mean you have to do it.
• 15:11
  Lisa Hopkins: There's that, but then but.
• 15:14
  David Josefsberg: Wait, I need to write that down.
• 15:15
  David Josefsberg: I forgot.
• 15:15
  David Josefsberg: I'm remembering.
• 15:16
  David Josefsberg: That's a good thing I don't have to.
• 15:17
  David Josefsberg: I'm going to send this directly over to my wife.
• 15:22
  Lisa Hopkins: No, I mean literally right.
• 15:23
  Lisa Hopkins: And just because you can doesn't mean you have to.
• 15:26
  Lisa Hopkins: Now the how.
• 15:28
  Lisa Hopkins: We often skip over the how and we think that the how is a to-do list.
• 15:31
  Lisa Hopkins: I'm not really talking about the how as a to-do list.
• 15:34
  Lisa Hopkins: I'm talking about the how as a way of being, but in the physical world, in the real world, right, not in your spiritual world or in your altruistic world.
• 15:45
  Lisa Hopkins: And when I remember you going back to Beetlejuice when it was like uh-oh, it's actually really coming back.
• 15:52
  David Josefsberg: Oh, what I wanted right.
• 15:54
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, all those limiting beliefs about this is how you did it before.
• 15:59
  Lisa Hopkins: Therefore, this is how we should do.
• 16:01
  Lisa Hopkins: It came up for you and I think what didn't which is normal, because that's the only day that you have You've never done it another way and it worked.
• 16:08
  Lisa Hopkins: I mean, you were starring in the show and now you're starring in the show again still, and so what we do is we try to go back and remember oh, what was it that we did?
• 16:19
  Lisa Hopkins: It was so good, and what was it they liked about me, and how did I warm up and how did I right All these things.
• 16:26
  Lisa Hopkins: And we start looking in these places of the way that we used to do other things, and, while we can cull some really good information from that, it's being like bringing that into your realm so that you can have choice about that.
• 16:40
  Lisa Hopkins: Oh yeah, I did that, but you know what?
• 16:42
  Lisa Hopkins: I don't need to do that anymore.
• 16:44
  Lisa Hopkins: What I'd like to do and I remember giving you an exercise saying you know, as you're commuting to work again, taking the same path, six days, seven days a week find something that you've never seen before.
• 16:56
  Lisa Hopkins: Look for things that you've never seen before.
• 16:59
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, do you remember that?
• 17:00
  David Josefsberg: I do.
• 17:01
  David Josefsberg: I do so many thoughts as you were talking, we're going through my head, but the first one was um, I think that when we were talking before about how things are different, I think that for me, or the branches, is that a lot of what we worked on.
• 17:15
  David Josefsberg: Also, is that like it's good enough, I am happy, I'm happy, I am happy when it's good enough, I am happy.
• 17:20
  David Josefsberg: This, I am happy.
• 17:21
  David Josefsberg: But there, and you know, I think one of our first talks was about like lighting a fire under a balloon, right To like the fire, getting a balloon flying in the air, and I think that this work has done that for me.
• 17:32
  David Josefsberg: I think you know, if you didn't tell you have done so much of the how I'm just coming up with that now.
• 17:38
  David Josefsberg: Is that, yes, there's why, of course there's why, and that's that.
• 17:42
  David Josefsberg: But putting it into practice, putting it into action, right, doing the hows of that was a big one.
• 17:49
  David Josefsberg: I remember thinking, instead of like I have to get on this train and study these words, because that's what I do on the train, I study the.
• 17:53
  David Josefsberg: No, maybe we can look at something and find something new.
• 17:57
  David Josefsberg: Maybe, instead of doing the specific, like running the scene back before I walk and open the door that was the one from Beetlejuice and say hi.
• 18:05
  David Josefsberg: Barbara, I'm home.
• 18:06
  David Josefsberg: Maybe, instead of running the lines right now, it's just to frantically fear and get everything like this.
• 18:11
  David Josefsberg: Maybe I embody trust.
• 18:14
  David Josefsberg: And what does trust feel like to you physically?
• 18:17
  David Josefsberg: You gave me that one for the spam a lot, where if I didn't have that advice, I probably would.
• 18:22
  David Josefsberg: I was looking for ways to like fall gently into the street to be hit by a car so that my leg would break, so I wouldn't have to go to work.
• 18:29
  David Josefsberg: So I remember sitting outside almost crying I'm about to eat my lunch.
• 18:35
  David Josefsberg: And you gave me the trust and I was like, yes, physically, do some things.
• 18:38
  David Josefsberg: That's different, like get in the moment, in the now, yeah.
• 18:44
  David Josefsberg: And it also I feel like it's been like a progression of these things, because that first one allowed me to reconnect with the love of the people on stage, of the audience, with myself.
• 18:54
  David Josefsberg: The second one helped me bring into it's not, it's not mental, get out of this head and get physical.
• 19:00
  David Josefsberg: And then this one you know again I was still is that there's a lot to learn as doc, but it was so much quicker to still do the work, but then again, let it go and put it away, yeah.
• 19:14
  David Josefsberg: And so I think so much of those little techniques and so many of those little not little huge, like little, tiny changes that are huge have been what this has been all about.
• 19:28
  Lisa Hopkins: That's amazing and I remember you know it's important for the listeners to understand that Dave is not just talking about you know going on and doing a role, especially like.
• 19:39
  Lisa Hopkins: I think it's worthy of mentioning that when you did spam a lot, you were covering how many leads Four of the leads yes, it's spam a lot.
• 19:47
  Lisa Hopkins: You were covering how many leads?
• 19:48
  Lisa Hopkins: Four of the leads.
• 19:48
  Lisa Hopkins: Yes, I mean a first of all, fucking kudos to you.
• 19:51
  Lisa Hopkins: Not not because you because you can do that task Right, but because somebody gave you that task because they believe and know that you're that talented that you're not just typecast into one, you could actually do all of them.
• 20:05
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, that's, that was cool, and, and, and you know so that then brings everything into my life so much better than it allows me to be the giver, to do the things for the family, to went, cause if not I mean, I'm tunnel visioned on all this stuff then the life is not living what I want it to be.
• 20:22
  David Josefsberg: So there's something about.
• 20:25
  David Josefsberg: So there's something about you know, uh, as a, as a, as a jewish man, it's all we're always like yeah, no, it's good, it's enough.
• 20:36
  David Josefsberg: We're having some, and there are some who are the complete opposite.
• 20:37
  David Josefsberg: But I feel like this has given me a yeah, you know what?
• 20:41
  David Josefsberg: Everyone is telling me that this is really great.
• 20:44
  David Josefsberg: So I'm I'm allowed to accept that it has been great and it's given me confidence and has allowed me to I don't know where it's going now, but to go further in all directions of life and career, like it's given me we've talked about accomplishing things is something that lights me up and really gets me going.
• 21:06
  David Josefsberg: So I feel like it's just been a huge, amazing change for me.
• 21:13
  Lisa Hopkins: Well, and I think it's interesting too because, again, as a self-declared pleaser, I still hear an inkling of that, you know, and I just want to clarify because I know that it's you take things through the lens still, because you care so much about what other people think, so you also care about their opinion, not so much from ego, like I don't hear that.
• 21:40
  Lisa Hopkins: I don't hear like, oh, I want to know that people think I'm good.
• 21:43
  Lisa Hopkins: But that permission of like, well, if the people that I care about actually think it's okay, well then, yeah, I can be confident about that.
• 21:51
  Lisa Hopkins: So it's almost like a validation.
• 21:53
  Lisa Hopkins: And it's interesting because I would argue and say that it's all you and that confidence is a result.
• 21:57
  Lisa Hopkins: And you, you, you.
• 21:59
  Lisa Hopkins: You don't become confident because people say you got this.
• 22:01
  Lisa Hopkins: You become confident because you fucking do the stuff.
• 22:04
  Lisa Hopkins: Oh, yeah.
• 22:04
  Lisa Hopkins: And you build the skills 100%, yeah, you know what I mean, and I think you said that to me recently.
• 22:11
  Lisa Hopkins: You said actually, like you said wholeheartedly I'm really proud of what.
• 22:14
  Lisa Hopkins: I did.
• 22:15
  Lisa Hopkins: I'm like yes.
• 22:17
  David Josefsberg: And I've learned that.
• 22:18
  David Josefsberg: That I mean not only is it good, but even the self-deprecating of yeah, I'm terrible, I'm just not your brand.
• 22:31
  David Josefsberg: Your brain, it hears that, it who's it.
• 22:32
  David Josefsberg: I hear that, and so I have made a conscious effort to, because it is the truth.
• 22:34
  David Josefsberg: We just don't want to feel like we're being too cocky or or I don't want to feel like I'm being too cocky or this, but we're sure as shit oh sorry, sure as hell happy to tell us ourselves when we're failures or we're not doing something right I know it's so true right it's my god it's so true
• 22:51
  Lisa Hopkins: yeah um, it's interesting.
• 22:53
  Lisa Hopkins: I mean we're taught to you know, to you know, be be humble and all of that, but it's not.
• 22:59
  Lisa Hopkins: It's not bragging if you've done it and it and, and we're talking about conversations with ourselves, not with other people, you're not totally they're going.
• 23:06
  Lisa Hopkins: Look at me, you're going, you know, hey, you're patting your own self on your back, right, yeah?
• 23:12
  David Josefsberg: it feels nice once in a while to give yourself that totally what's the hardest thing you've ever done?
• 23:17
  David Josefsberg: Oh, I I guess parenting there you go.
• 23:24
  Lisa Hopkins: You're just gonna like blanket saving, parenting, yeah, and it's ever-changing, right like as your kids get older.
• 23:31
  Lisa Hopkins: For sure yeah and you know we've talked a lot about, you know, this just in everything, not just parenting, but it really shows up clear.
• 23:37
  Lisa Hopkins: It's really good to look at, you know, through the lens of parenting or easier.
• 23:41
  Lisa Hopkins: Clear it's clear to look at the attachment piece, right when you're, when, when you're sort of attached to, so you're helping.
• 23:49
  Lisa Hopkins: But it's, you know, because, because you kind of want something, even even though it's all in good, you want, you want it to be good for them yeah, and for me, I want to be liked, I want to be.
• 23:58
  David Josefsberg: You know what I mean, all of it exactly exactly yeah, super hard all right, I'll put that on the list of things to work this week.
• 24:05
  David Josefsberg: What's the?
• 24:08
  David Josefsberg: What's the?
• 24:08
  Lisa Hopkins: easiest thing you've ever done, that you've ever had to do yeah.
• 24:13
  David Josefsberg: Easiest thing.
• 24:14
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, or easiest decision you ever made.
• 24:16
  Lisa Hopkins: If you want, it could be that.
• 24:22
  David Josefsberg: I mean, the first thing that comes up for me is like finding joy in most everything, seems is is pretty easy for me.
• 24:29
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, uh, how do you do that?
• 24:34
  David Josefsberg: That's a good.
• 24:35
  David Josefsberg: That's a good question, cause I generally am happy.
• 24:39
  David Josefsberg: Uh, you know, of course, you know it's easy for me, flip-flopping on everything that I say, uh, finding both sides, how do I do that?
• 24:53
  David Josefsberg: How do I find the joy?
• 24:55
  David Josefsberg: I mean, I really do think that it is incredible, incredibly, we are incredibly lucky to be here, and so I do feel like whatever we go through is still.
• 25:04
  David Josefsberg: We're still here doing that thing.
• 25:07
  David Josefsberg: I mean, that's a little you know what's it called Like, like I have my crystal here and I'm, you know everything's great and easy.
• 25:19
  David Josefsberg: Let me think for one sec.
• 25:20
  David Josefsberg: Give me like 10 seconds.
• 25:22
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, no worries, the easiest thing, well, I guess also I can say doing for the family has been is so supremely easy for me.
• 25:38
  David Josefsberg: Um, god, it's so funny, like I would say that this journey of finding the joy back in theater like now I would say it's easy, but it was certainly like very, not easy in a four-year process yeah, fair, but I guess, um, enjoying the moments of that process even though there were sometimes, as I said before, that I wanted to get hit by a car I still think, like, looking back, it was a joy, like finding the joy of that or finding the joy of being home and not working for those two years, or not finding the joy of not working for half of my career, of my career.
• 26:19
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, you know what's incredible about what you just said?
• 26:22
  Lisa Hopkins: What and this is for everybody Go back if you didn't, if you didn't catch it.
• 26:27
  Lisa Hopkins: But you said you, you said and these words are really important, I think you said um, let me have 10 minutes, or 10 minutes, 10 seconds you you asked.
• 26:40
  Lisa Hopkins: You asked for what you wanted, so you honored your value of being true and clear and it superseded your very strong default, which is to please, which is to to I.
• 26:54
  Lisa Hopkins: I got to give her an answer now, just so everyone is listening.
• 26:58
  David Josefsberg: Who's listening?
• 26:59
  David Josefsberg: If you then saw the video, I did make like a face of, like a scrunched up, like oh, was that an answer?
• 27:06
  David Josefsberg: That was good.
• 27:06
  David Josefsberg: So that's still on the other side, for sure, for sure.
• 27:10
  Lisa Hopkins: But do you recognize that like I want to celebrate?
• 27:12
  David Josefsberg: you for that like no, that is great it is.
• 27:14
  Lisa Hopkins: I love that it was I, it was, it was for me like a poof moment.
• 27:18
  Lisa Hopkins: It was.
• 27:19
  Lisa Hopkins: You were like let me and you didn't even say it in sort of a hyper way, like oh, let me think about it.
• 27:23
  Lisa Hopkins: Uh, you were like let me take 10 seconds just to think about this, and it was so like centered and grounded, it was beautiful.
• 27:30
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, I'm winning.
• 27:34
  Lisa Hopkins: There we go Back to the binary.
• 27:36
  Lisa Hopkins: It's funny we always talk about the binary right, the win-lose, and he was joking, obviously.
• 27:41
  Lisa Hopkins: But because well A it's easier, because we can make shortcuts right In life.
• 27:46
  Lisa Hopkins: Right Like, do I do it Do?
• 27:48
  Lisa Hopkins: I not do it Like and that harkens back to what we're talking about do I, do I take the gig or do I not take the gig?
• 27:53
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, right, but when, when we only have two choices, it feels.
• 27:56
  Lisa Hopkins: It feels trapping, because you're, even if they're both exciting choices, because you feel like you're gonna fomo if you take this and not that or whatever right, all these things come come cascading in.
• 28:08
  Lisa Hopkins: But there are only two things in life that are 100% birth and death.
• 28:15
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, yeah, those are the only non choices we have in our life.
• 28:19
  Lisa Hopkins: Everything in between is choice, everything.
• 28:22
  Lisa Hopkins: What do you think?
• 28:24
  David Josefsberg: about that.
• 28:25
  David Josefsberg: I love it and I think I think that's a huge, huge lesson in life.
• 28:29
  David Josefsberg: It must be that that's helped me so much, even like you know my things at school, if you don't like school, there's choice to do something else.
• 28:36
  David Josefsberg: There's choice for any career.
• 28:37
  David Josefsberg: There's choice for love.
• 28:38
  David Josefsberg: There's choice for so many different things.
• 28:40
  David Josefsberg: I think, when you were also speaking, the thing that was that I think that we've talked about so much things that excite you.
• 28:48
  David Josefsberg: I think I've learned so much that I can choose those things rather than just go.
• 28:59
  David Josefsberg: That's a huge thing in my life where, as a pleaser, I'm like, yeah, it's always, it is good enough, it's always good enough.
• 29:08
  David Josefsberg: I, because you know what I feel like I am happy enough.
• 29:12
  David Josefsberg: I should just choose what's best for everyone else.
• 29:15
  David Josefsberg: Did you all hear the should?
• 29:16
  David Josefsberg: I must choose?
• 29:18
  David Josefsberg: No, I don't know no, but it's true.
• 29:20
  Lisa Hopkins: That's how you feel it.
• 29:21
  Lisa Hopkins: Should you're shooting yourself, for sure I should all over myself.
• 29:25
  David Josefsberg: I should all over myself literally, but I should do because I can't handle it yeah no, because I'm good enough and I'm happy enough with this.
• 29:32
  David Josefsberg: But I think that and I'm really grateful that it's at this time, because, like at 50, like in my 50s, I feel like, you know, some people think we're heading towards it, but I feel like I truly am heading towards.
• 29:44
  David Josefsberg: I am because I'm finding more things to be that I am truly excited about that.
• 29:53
  David Josefsberg: I get to go, and as I get to, I get to go grab at those and try those and do those and live those.
• 29:56
  Lisa Hopkins: Yes, it's also really notable and interesting.
• 29:58
  Lisa Hopkins: You know you've got two boys that in four years have have grown into men, young men, right Like that's a whole lifetime in their life.
• 30:07
  Lisa Hopkins: So, so, when you're going back to something that you're, that you're familiar with and you know, and going back to the job, if you want to call it that, you, that you used to do, but you're, you're so different because your whole world is different too, right, and so, like the contextualization is so important, is to look at what's what's changed, what's changing around you, how that affects you, what you would like to do, so you're not, you're not at the expense of how it's affected.
• 30:38
  Lisa Hopkins: Oh, it's affected me so much.
• 30:39
  Lisa Hopkins: No, it's.
• 30:39
  Lisa Hopkins: It's like again, if you're in that higher energy, it's about that, ooh, so, so what's different?
• 30:42
  Lisa Hopkins: Cool.
• 30:42
  Lisa Hopkins: What are the branches Right?
• 30:43
  Lisa Hopkins: What?
• 30:44
  Lisa Hopkins: what other, you know where, where can we go.
• 30:45
  Lisa Hopkins: And and like you said, like branches there's not one is not better than the other.
• 30:49
  Lisa Hopkins: I mean, in your case, you can leap and jump and be like one of those monkeys, right, yeah, If you see a new branch growing, but it's not big enough for you to jump on it as a little monkey guy, how does that make you feel?
• 31:02
  Lisa Hopkins: Does that make you feel like, oh, I wish it would grow quicker.
• 31:07
  Lisa Hopkins: Or does it make you feel like, oh, I don't know, I'm curious.
• 31:10
  David Josefsberg: Huh, I like that metaphor.
• 31:12
  David Josefsberg: I always love your metaphors.
• 31:13
  David Josefsberg: Do I get impatient.
• 31:14
  David Josefsberg: I would say somewhat, I think, when you were saying that, I was thinking that there's a part of the brain that's like still wait.
• 31:24
  David Josefsberg: Like you know you don't need to do that.
• 31:25
  David Josefsberg: But I think that over these past few years I've become someone who's pushes through that and maybe jumps onto it, even if it's not fully ready to oh interesting oh, that's interesting.
• 31:38
  David Josefsberg: Um, maybe not, though.
• 31:40
  David Josefsberg: I think that, um, no, I think what?
• 31:46
  David Josefsberg: What I see it as also is like uh, uh, uh, you have to sort of not jump, you know, maybe hold on to this branch a little, what?
• 31:55
  David Josefsberg: Oh, that doesn't seem like it's good, does it?
• 31:57
  David Josefsberg: But hold on a little and get this one.
• 31:59
  David Josefsberg: Do that until you can take that swing.
• 32:01
  Lisa Hopkins: Well, do you know?
• 32:01
  Lisa Hopkins: What's really interesting is that the implication here for you seems to be that because there's a branch, I have to do something with it.
• 32:07
  Lisa Hopkins: That's interesting, oh.
• 32:10
  David Josefsberg: Well, I want to do something because it's, I mean, why not?
• 32:13
  Lisa Hopkins: There's, there's infinite branches.
• 32:17
  David Josefsberg: Oh, you're right, I don't.
• 32:17
  David Josefsberg: It doesn't have to be just that branch.
• 32:19
  Lisa Hopkins: Well, and it's so.
• 32:20
  Lisa Hopkins: So I'm just sort of you know it's amazing, right, when you.
• 32:23
  Lisa Hopkins: It's amazing that you your instinct, there's nothing wrong with it, it's cool Absolutely Nothing right or wrong answers.
• 32:29
  Lisa Hopkins: But it's cool that you were like Ooh, but I might jump on too soon, and this and that and the other.
• 32:34
  Lisa Hopkins: And it's interesting because another person might've said actually just knowing that something else is growing is cool, and I may or may not do that, and it, you know, that might be a different vibe.
• 32:44
  David Josefsberg: I like that vibe feels good when you said it.
• 32:46
  David Josefsberg: I like that vibe Like it's growing while I'm doing this too, and it's still it's growing.
• 32:50
  David Josefsberg: I like it did feel good.
• 32:51
  David Josefsberg: So maybe that is what I really want to be doing Interesting, not worried about having to graph at the things.
• 32:57
  David Josefsberg: It's let them all grow.
• 32:59
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, that's a better, that's a better visual.
• 33:03
  Lisa Hopkins: Well, it's interesting Cause I've been thinking also a lot lately about, like, what we put on the back burner, what we put on the shelf, and then what we just keep in the rear view mirror.
• 33:14
  Lisa Hopkins: When you put something on the back to me, tell me what you think this implies.
• 33:18
  Lisa Hopkins: But when you put something on the back burner, it's something that you, it's still on the stove, it's still cooking, so you're still interested in doing that.
• 33:27
  Lisa Hopkins: But maybe either you're cognizant that it takes longer or that you just want to slowly let it evolve, right.
• 33:33
  Lisa Hopkins: Um, if you forget about it, I suppose it'll burn.
• 33:36
  Lisa Hopkins: I don't know, depend which way you want to go with the metaphor, but it's still, it's still on the, on the stove.
• 33:42
  Lisa Hopkins: And then you have stuff that you've shelved and for me and again, this is the way I took it, you can take it whatever way you want but when I think of something shelved, it feels, feels more intellectual, and maybe that's just because it conjures a bookshelf right.
• 33:55
  Lisa Hopkins: So it's like something that for me, the shelf thing feels more like shoulds.
• 34:00
  Lisa Hopkins: For me, personally, it feels like, yeah, I'm going to keep that where I can sort of see it, because it reminds me that yeah, I thought about doing that or reading that book or whatever it might be, but I never did so.
• 34:10
  Lisa Hopkins: I don't know.
• 34:11
  Lisa Hopkins: Maybe maybe the shelf taunts us, I don't know.
• 34:13
  Lisa Hopkins: Um, and then there's, and then there's the, then there's the rear view mirror, the things that we just finally just go.
• 34:18
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, I remember when I used to do that, but I don't do that anymore but you're still kind of peeking back in the rear view mirror.
• 34:24
  Lisa Hopkins: I don't know.
• 34:25
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, it's interesting.
• 34:27
  David Josefsberg: I love all of these.
• 34:28
  David Josefsberg: This is not something that I've I've thought on too much.
• 34:31
  David Josefsberg: I think that um back burner to me would sound like it's a.
• 34:35
  David Josefsberg: It's a bad thing, but I think I like the um, the new uh reframe for me.
• 34:41
  David Josefsberg: I think that would can be really helpful Like it's still bubbling in the back, Like it's on the back burner, but it's it's still burning.
• 34:48
  David Josefsberg: It's still burning.
• 34:49
  David Josefsberg: So I think that, like taking things that are interesting, like it feels like it opens up options for me, like it allows me they're there.
• 34:58
  David Josefsberg: I could still do those.
• 34:59
  David Josefsberg: The back, the, the rear view mirror, I mean interesting.
• 35:07
  David Josefsberg: Like that still feels like it's there though, Like I can get to it if I needed to, but I feel like the back burner is like right there and I could get in there and do those things.
• 35:19
  David Josefsberg: The shelf oh no, the shelf also feels open to me, because I have to just peel that book away and just do that too.
• 35:28
  David Josefsberg: I don't know.
• 35:29
  Lisa Hopkins: Interesting.
• 35:29
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, I don't know either.
• 35:31
  Lisa Hopkins: It's interesting.
• 35:32
  Lisa Hopkins: That's cool, though the the back burner thing, it seems to be, I can be very helpful neat what's on your back burner these days, because right now what's cooking is is the show right show's cooking.
• 35:45
  David Josefsberg: But fam, like a lot of I guess, maybe not back, but sideers, like the show is leading to good health.
• 35:52
  David Josefsberg: The good health and the show are leading me to be available for more.
• 35:58
  David Josefsberg: Everything with the family, with the kids, with the mindset, because I'm not, you know, shoving in food and alcohol as much.
• 36:07
  David Josefsberg: I'm open to that, what else?
• 36:10
  David Josefsberg: I guess breath works on the back burner and that kind of meditations on the back burner it was a little further back than the back burner, that's in the rear view.
• 36:23
  David Josefsberg: I think I need to make a quick little turnaround and then come back forward because my body, as I said it, I'm like I want to go back to that, I want the cold showers, but it just feels like I'm adding instead of like needing to do it.
• 36:37
  David Josefsberg: It would be I want, I'm going to add these things and they're, they're coming on slowly, they are, things are happening, but the job has the money so that I can maybe get a cold plunge or maybe these things.
• 36:49
  David Josefsberg: But things are all sort of I don't know the audience can't see things, but things are all sort of.
• 36:53
  David Josefsberg: I don't know the audience can't see now, but I have my arms spread.
• 36:54
  David Josefsberg: There was a visual that you gave me once of like as we.
• 36:57
  David Josefsberg: You know when you're looking down and you can see things deep to the right, deep to the left, deep in front of you and I guess you could sort of on the back burner feel them.
• 37:09
  David Josefsberg: That's new, though, guys that was I was.
• 37:10
  David Josefsberg: I never thought of the back burner before.
• 37:11
  David Josefsberg: This is a new piece, the back burner for me.
• 37:14
  David Josefsberg: We've talked hot air balloons.
• 37:16
  David Josefsberg: We've talked a lot of cooking right In our-.
• 37:18
  David Josefsberg: Totally I love to cook.
• 37:21
  David Josefsberg: Cooking is on the front burner because I'm doing so much cooking for me, for my family, to bring to the show and for the kids.
• 37:27
  David Josefsberg: You know I love that 16, but you know I love that 16 and 19 year old boys we we need lots of chicken, lots of steak, lots of things Holy cow.
• 37:35
  David Josefsberg: But I think that that's great for me.
• 37:39
  David Josefsberg: I didn't realize this was going to be such a great session for me specifically, but I'm going to backburn all of these things too, because I want to.
• 37:48
  David Josefsberg: I want them added stat yeah.
• 37:51
  Lisa Hopkins: So if you had to choose one highlight and one low light from your career, what would those be?
• 38:02
  David Josefsberg: Ooh, well, gosh, there have been so many highlights.
• 38:06
  David Josefsberg: I'm about to say, you know, I guess you could say as an actor on Broadway for me, I mean, this is what I tell everyone.
• 38:14
  David Josefsberg: These kids actually the kids in the show now are asking me how does one sustain a career and a family and a this and a that?
• 38:23
  David Josefsberg: And I always say like, first of all, I think it's taking out ego, because when I was younger and wanted to part and wanted to, I need this, so I need to give them what they need and who I'm supposed to be.
• 38:36
  David Josefsberg: When I took that away and started enjoying the process of auditioning where that's the job, or taking jobs that maybe wouldn't have been what I, not a lead, and going from smaller roles to bigger roles, to side roles, to these egg roles no, not egg roles to like finding other to breath, work, to all of these things in a career.
• 38:59
  David Josefsberg: Taking taking the ego out of it of feeling like this is what I should be doing at this stage of my career, this is what I should be doing at the beginning of my career, this is what I should be doing.
• 39:08
  David Josefsberg: I deserve it and doing what you want to do and finding the joy in it.
• 39:14
  David Josefsberg: So the, the, maybe there have been missed jobs that I didn't get.
• 39:18
  David Josefsberg: That could be.
• 39:19
  David Josefsberg: That could be a low light.
• 39:21
  David Josefsberg: Maybe I don't, but I don't feel like it because it brought me to whatever.
• 39:24
  David Josefsberg: The next thing was.
• 39:24
  David Josefsberg: I had a real difficult time in the prom, so that's a low light.
• 39:30
  David Josefsberg: Uh, because I was scared, because I was untrusting of myself, because I didn't know if I could do it, uh, and I just had a difficult time and it.
• 39:43
  David Josefsberg: This is when I did not know how to live a life.
• 39:47
  David Josefsberg: It was solely focused on that.
• 39:49
  David Josefsberg: I would be walking the dogs and I would be running lines.
• 39:52
  David Josefsberg: I would be listening to my kids and thinking, oh, I wonder when I can go run my lines, and I would be doing all these things as opposed to how this freedom has come with these next few years, the six, seven years.
• 40:06
  David Josefsberg: But highlights right now being comfortable going in and actually not thinking, oh, I hope I don't get the phone call for Doc, I hope I don't get the phone call.
• 40:14
  David Josefsberg: Being like, if I get the phone call for Doc, awesome If I'm doing my regular job, awesome.
• 40:19
  David Josefsberg: Alter Boys when I got to create my own role Honeymoon in Vegas.
• 40:24
  David Josefsberg: Les Miserables, my first, I mean.
• 40:26
  David Josefsberg: There's so many highlights of the career.
• 40:37
  Lisa Hopkins: But I'm going to say right now I'm in like a sweet, sweet stage, yeah, and, and you know, years ago, like even four years ago or even before, would you ever have believed it?
• 40:42
  Lisa Hopkins: Like, let's take go back to when you were in the prom and you know, you can see yourself when you were suffering, um, would you ever, ever believed you'd be here in this state?
• 40:53
  Lisa Hopkins: And again to be clear for the listeners, like I'm not saying to be playing this role or in the show, we're not talking about what he's doing.
• 41:00
  Lisa Hopkins: We're talking about how he's feeling and what he's doing, which is the real success here.
• 41:05
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, and it's funny because there were moments before the prom.
• 41:08
  David Josefsberg: But then at that point I thought maybe I'm done with this career for good.
• 41:12
  David Josefsberg: You know, even when we were talking about Beatles, I'm like this is the last one maybe.
• 41:16
  Lisa Hopkins: I remember yeah.
• 41:17
  David Josefsberg: And then the next one, was the last one, and then this one.
• 41:21
  David Josefsberg: You know what?
• 41:21
  David Josefsberg: I'm not going to say it, which is weird.
• 41:24
  David Josefsberg: This is the first time I've actually even thought of that.
• 41:26
  David Josefsberg: That I can't say that anymore, like I really was truthful because it was living out of fear, not living out of maybe.
• 41:36
  David Josefsberg: I don't want to do this anymore, which is also fine.
• 41:38
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
• 41:39
  David Josefsberg: But it was I don't want to do this anymore.
• 41:42
  David Josefsberg: I don't want to.
• 41:43
  David Josefsberg: And now I'm like we'll see what we do anymore.
• 41:47
  Lisa Hopkins: We'll see what's next.
• 41:48
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
• 41:50
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, and I'm excited.
• 41:51
  David Josefsberg: I'm excited by it, yeah, and I'm interested.
• 41:55
  David Josefsberg: You know it's, it's, and there's so many things you could do.
• 41:59
  David Josefsberg: I'm doing while I'm doing it that has given me this, like it's a weight that has been off my shoulders and my body to to to find this again, because I did love it and I do love it, yeah.
• 42:15
  Lisa Hopkins: Nice.
• 42:16
  David Josefsberg: That's exciting.
• 42:16
  Lisa Hopkins: Well, you're talking, you're living in your highlight.
• 42:19
  Lisa Hopkins: Now I mean, which is exactly?
• 42:20
  Lisa Hopkins: I mean you?
• 42:21
  Lisa Hopkins: Just I don't even need to ask you you know what's your definition of living in the moment, cause I think you're doing it right.
• 42:28
  David Josefsberg: Much thanks to you as well.
• 42:29
  David Josefsberg: I'm not, you know, I'm serious.
• 42:32
  David Josefsberg: You've given me so many, as I said, like I read the books not enough, but I do the meditations and that.
• 42:49
  David Josefsberg: But it is about for me translating that into doing something or, you know, thinking differently about that, or options to widen the scope of what I believe, and I feel like you've given me a lot of that.
• 43:01
  David Josefsberg: So a little side.
• 43:03
  Lisa Hopkins: It's co-created, by the way.
• 43:04
  Lisa Hopkins: You know it doesn't happen in a vacuum and you know it's cool too, because I think you know it's actionable, but it's not actionable in like a 12-step plan.
• 43:17
  Lisa Hopkins: It's actionable in that when you have an insight, you just don't hold on to it.
• 43:22
  Lisa Hopkins: You then translate that into whatever however you want to use it in your life, which is what you've done, and that's where your practice comes in right.
• 43:30
  Lisa Hopkins: Like I can't make you do something, nor do I want to make you do something, Right, but it's just about opening the where your practice comes in right.
• 43:35
  Lisa Hopkins: Like I can't make you do something, nor do I want to make you do something right.
• 43:37
  David Josefsberg: So but it's just about opening the possibilities.
• 43:38
  David Josefsberg: What's humorous to me is that, since we've been talking for four years and I don't think that I have ever given you and or come in with anything specific that I want to talk about no, but it always turns into this.
• 43:49
  David Josefsberg: It's like there's a little energy that's going like this and then it goes at it and it's like then we're at the top of the mountain.
• 43:55
  David Josefsberg: I'm like holy shit, how did we even how did we do that?
• 43:59
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, no for sure.
• 44:00
  Lisa Hopkins: And we is key.
• 44:01
  Lisa Hopkins: I mean literally.
• 44:03
  Lisa Hopkins: And and the big, the biggest part about that is is is the non-attachment and trust actually It's's, it's, it's right.
• 44:11
  Lisa Hopkins: I mean literally it's, it's me not being attached to, or you to, what it's supposed to be.
• 44:15
  Lisa Hopkins: And just like this conversation now, like neither you know literally, was like hey, it'd be really fun to have you on the show, yeah, yeah.
• 44:23
  Lisa Hopkins: So we jump on.
• 44:24
  Lisa Hopkins: What big, audacious goal or dream do you have that you haven't put out in the universe yet?
• 44:38
  David Josefsberg: the universe yet that I haven't put out at all, dream that I haven't put into the universe.
• 44:52
  Lisa Hopkins: Or audacious goal.
• 44:53
  Lisa Hopkins: It might be something that has crossed your mind that yeah, I mean I it's not.
• 45:02
  David Josefsberg: there's so many things I want to like.
• 45:05
  David Josefsberg: I want to challenge myself physically, these kinds of things Like I don't know what specifically it is.
• 45:09
  David Josefsberg: Like I've done a marathon but I want to do, I want to change my life in that capacity.
• 45:14
  David Josefsberg: But I want to live on water soon, like I want to have a.
• 45:20
  David Josefsberg: Oh well, I mean it's, these have been percolating, that I want to have a place where.
• 45:28
  David Josefsberg: So every summer we've been going up to Vermont, to these friends' houses who've had this house in their family for a hundred years, and I want to start that.
• 45:39
  David Josefsberg: Where friends, our kids bring their friends, our family bring their families.
• 45:44
  David Josefsberg: I want to be the beginning of that.
• 45:49
  David Josefsberg: I love that.
• 45:50
  David Josefsberg: That's a big one, that's a big goal.
• 45:52
  David Josefsberg: I think that's beautiful.
• 45:53
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, it's not audacious.
• 45:55
  Lisa Hopkins: I think it's gorgeous, but it's certainly.
• 45:57
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, I love that.
• 45:58
  David Josefsberg: What's the definition of audacious?
• 45:59
  Lisa Hopkins: Audacious, I think is kind of almost like ballsy or like seems impossible or seems yeah.
• 46:07
  David Josefsberg: Oh.
• 46:09
  Lisa Hopkins: It's okay, though I mean what you shared is brilliant.
• 46:10
  Lisa Hopkins: Impossible.
• 46:11
  Lisa Hopkins: It's okay, though I mean what you shared is brilliant.
• 46:12
  Lisa Hopkins: What's impossible?
• 46:15
  David Josefsberg: yeah, I can see.
• 46:16
  David Josefsberg: I mean, I don't know like yeah, do I want to know an impossible goal?
• 46:25
  David Josefsberg: Well, lately I've been really wanting to get into the best shape of my life that I've ever gotten into and that seems everyone's telling me that that's not possible at this age do you believe?
• 46:35
  Lisa Hopkins: that no, I don't believe that either.
• 46:37
  Lisa Hopkins: No it's harder, but it's it's more hard.
• 46:41
  Lisa Hopkins: I think not some.
• 46:43
  Lisa Hopkins: Well, I'm sure there are some scientific reasons why it's harder, but I think, I think in the mindset it can.
• 46:48
  Lisa Hopkins: It can be harder.
• 46:49
  David Josefsberg: Yeah.
• 46:50
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
• 46:50
  David Josefsberg: Yeah Right, mindset Right.
• 46:53
  Lisa Hopkins: Do you know what I mean?
• 46:53
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, but I mean, yeah, there's so many examples, there's so many examples of people who turn things around and so on, and so forth.
• 47:02
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, what else?
• 47:02
  David Josefsberg: I mean you know what it's funny, like as soon as we turn off this camera like now do the runway and then I want to.
• 47:16
  David Josefsberg: So there are things percolating.
• 47:19
  Lisa Hopkins: It's a beautiful place to go and play.
• 47:21
  Lisa Hopkins: You know in your head and and I'm sure you've read or we've talked about you know your brain.
• 47:27
  Lisa Hopkins: That's why visualization is so powerful, right, because your brain doesn't know the difference between it actually being real and not, which is why we get sometimes freaked out in our dreams and stuff.
• 47:35
  David Josefsberg: Oh, my God.
• 47:36
  Lisa Hopkins: Because your body responds, so, so you can create that happy place for you.
• 47:40
  Lisa Hopkins: It is.
• 47:41
  Lisa Hopkins: It is a kind of manifestation, I suppose.
• 47:43
  Lisa Hopkins: But you know, I, I, I step away from saying you know that sort of cause.
• 47:49
  Lisa Hopkins: I think people look for shortcuts and go.
• 47:50
  Lisa Hopkins: Well, if I think about it really, really hard, is it going to happen?
• 47:52
  Lisa Hopkins: Is that manifesting?
• 47:53
  Lisa Hopkins: No people, that is not manifestation.
• 47:55
  Lisa Hopkins: But what you can do is take yourself to that place so that you can familiarize yourself with the feelings and it starts to feel possible.
• 48:04
  Lisa Hopkins: And when you're living in the land of possibility.
• 48:06
  Lisa Hopkins: Then you start to come to the real world and put it together and you're in choice and you figure out how to do it.
• 48:13
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, you always have good keywords for me too, like possibility.
• 48:16
  David Josefsberg: Possibility, what a great word, cause you can that that leads to everything.
• 48:21
  Lisa Hopkins: It does.
• 48:22
  Lisa Hopkins: And and I always remind myself and others that let's live in a land of, in the world of you know, of possibility, not probability, of you know of possibility, not probability.
• 48:36
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, yeah, because probability, man, it's like it.
• 48:37
  Lisa Hopkins: Just you know, either it's going to make you go oh yeah, watch me which is great, but it's unsustainable and it's for wrong, the wrong reasons.
• 48:42
  Lisa Hopkins: Right, watch me, I'm going to prove you wrong.
• 48:43
  Lisa Hopkins: But I mean, you know, if that's your jam, then go for it.
• 48:45
  Lisa Hopkins: But when you live in possibility, then then you just believe that anything's possible, and then it's back on you and then it's like anything's possible but it's not easy.
• 48:54
  Lisa Hopkins: It doesn't mean it's easy.
• 48:56
  David Josefsberg: It's not jamming it in like, oh yeah, I am going to get in the best shape of my life Exactly.
• 49:01
  Lisa Hopkins: It's possible.
• 49:02
  Lisa Hopkins: It is possible.
• 49:03
  Lisa Hopkins: I mean, it's like if I was your genie, I'd be like, yeah, it's totally possible.
• 49:06
  Lisa Hopkins: What are you going to do about it?
• 49:08
  David Josefsberg: Because it's on you.
• 49:09
  David Josefsberg: It's only possible if you participate, and that's the manifestation.
• 49:12
  David Josefsberg: Right Is acting.
• 49:13
  David Josefsberg: When you manifest and you like, you become the person that you want to be.
• 49:17
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, who has these?
• 49:18
  David Josefsberg: Who is these things?
• 49:20
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, you align with what?
• 49:22
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, exactly Exactly With the vision of who you want to be, and I think that's key, not what you want to do, but who you want to be in the world.
• 49:30
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:30
  Lisa Hopkins: What do you know will stay true about you, no matter what happens this is interesting.
• 49:41
  David Josefsberg: I believe that I will find a positive in whatever comes my way yeah it's I.
• 49:51
  David Josefsberg: I was thinking of a, a conversation with, with people how, um, you know, everything uh comes easy, or for, for david, or or everything is um, you haven't had a loss of a parent and you haven't had this and you haven't had that, so it's just all so easy.
• 50:13
  David Josefsberg: But I'm not necessarily sure that that's the case.
• 50:17
  David Josefsberg: I just think that we find I'm able to find the positive parts of things and if things go bad, I feel like I'm not afraid to say, like, specifically thinking of a relationship with someone, if I've done something wrong, I can, I'm I'm afraid to say, like, specifically thinking of a relationship with someone, if I've done something wrong, I can, I'm, I'm, I was wrong, so that sometimes those things lead to positive events.
• 50:43
  David Josefsberg: I guess, yeah, I think I would remain positive in the face of and I, I have it's a possibility that when really bad things happen, I, I believe that that still will happen.
• 50:53
  Lisa Hopkins: That's cool, and I would even call it not positivity so much as response ability, the ability to respond right.
• 51:03
  David Josefsberg: Yeah.
• 51:04
  Lisa Hopkins: Because, because that's, that's really what it is right.
• 51:08
  Lisa Hopkins: It's not like you're going to well, maybe it isn't I don't want to project, but it's not that you're kind of looking at things and going, okay, how can I find the positive Like?
• 51:16
  Lisa Hopkins: It's not like toxic positivity, it's rather, how can?
• 51:19
  Lisa Hopkins: What are my choices?
• 51:20
  Lisa Hopkins: To respond to this?
• 51:21
  Lisa Hopkins: And you know, and sometimes it might be, it might be to mourn or to feel sad about something or to, so it doesn't mean.
• 51:29
  Lisa Hopkins: No, I found a way to be happy about this.
• 51:32
  Lisa Hopkins: No, it's finding a way that aligns with you, so that, so that you can continue to, yeah.
• 51:39
  David Josefsberg: Right, totally.
• 51:39
  David Josefsberg: That, that feel, that feels also that that my need to feel like it, for it to feel right, is also going to remain all the time.
• 51:47
  David Josefsberg: Like you know, when I talk to you and I'm like, oh, that doesn't feel exactly what I'm saying, but, like, my body has this huge urge to not be right but to the truth, the connection to the truth of what it truly is.
• 52:05
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, I love that.
• 52:06
  Lisa Hopkins: Hey, so how do you?
• 52:09
  Lisa Hopkins: How do you want to be remembered?
• 52:15
  David Josefsberg: How do you want to be remembered?
• 52:16
  David Josefsberg: Jeez, louise, I mean, the word that keeps coming up is kindness.
• 52:30
  David Josefsberg: But yeah, I guess the things that we've been talking about right, that, that that I lived joyfully, that I, that I, that I was always there for my family or for whoever friends, everyone, people that I love, you know not that it's, that it's not sad whenever I go, like I've already gotten this opportunity to live this amazing life can you finish this phrase?
• 52:57
  Lisa Hopkins: most people, most people think david josefsberg is, but the truth is most people think that david josefsberg is huh.
• 53:11
  Lisa Hopkins: So and then, but then it's, but really yeah, the truth is, but the truth is trying to get the script right, are you dave?
• 53:23
  David Josefsberg: just want to make sure I get those words correct before you.
• 53:25
  David Josefsberg: I want to answer this question with as much verve and possibility as possible.
• 53:28
  David Josefsberg: Uh well, I think it's changed so much that, like you know, I think I remember probably said that is this funny guy, but he's really this deeper, blah, blah, blah.
• 53:40
  David Josefsberg: But I think everyone really knows that I'm like a little bit.
• 53:43
  David Josefsberg: It's my.
• 53:44
  David Josefsberg: My role in life has changed to become this person who is, um, become this person who is connected and open and deeper, and not just the funny guy.
• 53:59
  David Josefsberg: So I don't think that's true anymore and I haven't given it thought since then.
• 54:03
  David Josefsberg: That's neat.
• 54:04
  Lisa Hopkins: So how do you want to be seen?
• 54:06
  Lisa Hopkins: Let's make a new question.
• 54:07
  Lisa Hopkins: How do you want to be seen in the world today.
• 54:15
  David Josefsberg: Well, I guess it's still, you know, thinking even what's going on now in my life, even at the theater.
• 54:21
  David Josefsberg: Like I want to, I want to make everyone happy.
• 54:25
  David Josefsberg: I want everyone to, uh, feel the joy and not and it's not something I consciously do, I don't think, but like I mean sometimes, of course I do things for people but feel the joy.
• 54:31
  David Josefsberg: And it's not something I consciously do, I don't think, but like I mean, sometimes, of course I do things for people but feel the joy emanating from me so that they can get in the joy circle.
• 54:42
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
• 54:45
  David Josefsberg: Again.
• 54:45
  David Josefsberg: I'm going to make that face All my answers.
• 54:47
  David Josefsberg: They seem boring.
• 54:49
  Lisa Hopkins: Stop judging yourself.
• 54:50
  Lisa Hopkins: I'm judging myself Boring Stop judging yourself.
• 54:52
  Lisa Hopkins: I'm judging myself.
• 54:56
  David Josefsberg: Everyone thinks that David Joseph Spurge is.
• 55:01
  Lisa Hopkins: You can think about that.
• 55:02
  Lisa Hopkins: Maybe you don't know what people think.
• 55:03
  Lisa Hopkins: I don't know what people think about me Like how would I answer that question.
• 55:09
  David Josefsberg: You know what?
• 55:10
  David Josefsberg: Answer that question.
• 55:13
  Lisa Hopkins: I don't know, because I think people think that the way they meet me is all of me, because I give my all wherever I am.
• 55:27
  Lisa Hopkins: So what is true is that I give my all wherever I am, but what is not true is that when you meet me in a certain context, that's not all of who I am.
• 55:38
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, that's so cool, right, because you're giving your all to that.
• 55:40
  David Josefsberg: But there's this.
• 55:42
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
• 55:42
  Lisa Hopkins: So if someone sees me in the context of blah blah blah, mother, performer, coach, whatever it is, they file it away as wow, because they meet me powerfully, because I feel like I have a powerful energy in whatever it is I'm doing.
• 55:59
  Lisa Hopkins: So that's how they file me.
• 56:01
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, that's interesting, I love that.
• 56:04
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, and I don't like that.
• 56:06
  Lisa Hopkins: It's not their fault.
• 56:25
  Lisa Hopkins: That's interesting.
• 56:26
  Lisa Hopkins: So I've learned to let go of yeah.
• 56:29
  Lisa Hopkins: But wait, like I remember back in the days of teaching right when where, um, you know, the people that really knew me knew that you know that I really specialized in both like both jazz and tap and theater and stuff like that, but the people that didn't maybe only caught on to to one of them or the other other for whatever reason, because they saw me in that context.
• 56:48
  Lisa Hopkins: So I remember being asked to do one of them and kind of low-key mentioning that I did the other and them kind of blowing it off, going oh no, we have lots of people that do that and naming the names and going and then hearing the names and realizing that I actually taught them.
• 57:04
  David Josefsberg: Totally.
• 57:08
  Lisa Hopkins: But it was such a good moment because I didn't.
• 57:09
  Lisa Hopkins: It could have been a real ego moment, like, oh yeah, I was like wow, and then I was like actually it's really cool that they really think of me like fully is this?
• 57:16
  Lisa Hopkins: And that you know I'm not Jack of all trades, because you could fall.
• 57:19
  Lisa Hopkins: You could fall into that as well, Right.
• 57:21
  David Josefsberg: Yeah.
• 57:21
  David Josefsberg: So year five I think we're going to need to talk about this because this is bringing up a ton for me, because I forgot, like I want that.
• 57:30
  David Josefsberg: I want people to, not that I want them to know, but I want the theater and to be a great dad and to do breath work and to be a deep thinker and to do sports and to be a goofball and to do these things.
• 57:41
  David Josefsberg: And I think you're right.
• 57:42
  David Josefsberg: Like yeah, I don't know if it's good.
• 57:45
  David Josefsberg: Like yeah, I don't know if it's good.
• 57:48
  David Josefsberg: I mean, I do think it's good to be able to do these things, but not that I would want someone to have that opinion of me.
• 57:56
  David Josefsberg: The opinion being that I need them to know that I'm just that.
• 58:01
  David Josefsberg: I'm also this and this and this and this Right Doing it for a reason other than the love of wanting to do the things that I'm doing.
• 58:08
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, because I do feel like that.
• 58:11
  David Josefsberg: I'm clicking in life because not just because, but with being the career man who's doing this and being this dad and a husband and a friend and a this and a joy monger All of these things, yep, yep.
• 58:29
  David Josefsberg: So I wonder if it's like I think I I think it's, for me it feels like, it's like a.
• 58:34
  David Josefsberg: It's just a widening, because there is that space, like you know how we use, like not enough of our brains, like I do feel like there's capacity to do all this oh, absolutely, and and it's it's contextualized again, right, it's.
• 58:44
  Lisa Hopkins: It's like, uh, it's the fader on the soundboard.
• 58:46
  Lisa Hopkins: You're not going to always have always be up here or down there, or you know, and you want to blend it.
• 58:51
  Lisa Hopkins: You do want to blend it, right Cause let's, you know, imagine that all those aspects of you are all there, you know, at some point, and it's yeah.
• 59:00
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, it's fading in it.
• 59:01
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, anyways, music and food, that's our sweet spot.
• 59:05
  Lisa Hopkins: Yes and water.
• 59:07
  David Josefsberg: Yeah, water, let's drink it up and fire actually, we do fire too.
• 59:11
  Lisa Hopkins: Oh yeah, oh my gosh.
• 59:12
  Lisa Hopkins: What are you most afraid of?
• 59:16
  David Josefsberg: What am I most afraid of?
• 59:17
  David Josefsberg: I mean, the first thing that comes to mind is just children being sad, children, being a wife too, but even more children than because you feel like you know my, my wife can handle, I can handle, but like, yeah, my kids, and in both ways.
• 59:35
  David Josefsberg: Like them not finding, not being on, like doing on their, or how about that the world for my children as well?
• 59:44
  Lisa Hopkins: where it's going.
• 59:45
  Lisa Hopkins: There you go, yeah which is scary.
• 59:48
  Lisa Hopkins: It is yeah, no, that, that makes sense.
• 59:51
  Lisa Hopkins: That's, that's real.
• 59:52
  Lisa Hopkins: What's um.
• 59:53
  David Josefsberg: What's the worst advice you've ever been given the one that is coming to me was that when I was first starting out in theater and I was doing a little production of baby in Matuchin, new Jersey, and I had gotten, then I got the Les Mis tour and the director telling me that if I leave a week early to go do the Les Mis tour, my career will, it's going to be ruined and you're never going to be able to make it.
• 1:00:25
  David Josefsberg: You got to honor your commitments.
• 1:00:26
  David Josefsberg: You shouldn't take this job that's going to make you more money and start your career off.
• 1:00:33
  David Josefsberg: You should stay here and finish this.
• 1:00:35
  David Josefsberg: Wow, and you didn't.
• 1:00:37
  David Josefsberg: No, I did not.
• 1:00:39
  Lisa Hopkins: So the worst advice really is just to to to peel that back, is to don't trust your intuition because it sounds like right.
• 1:00:46
  Lisa Hopkins: I mean, that's really what it is Because he was living in the land of limiting beliefs and also selfishly wanting you to stay right, correct?
• 1:00:52
  David Josefsberg: yes.
• 1:00:53
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, that's so cool.
• 1:00:53
  David Josefsberg: And without that I wouldn't have had this career and I wouldn't have found my wife with my children, who are going to be you know.
• 1:01:00
  Lisa Hopkins: Yep, and that's again.
• 1:01:01
  Lisa Hopkins: You trusted your gut.
• 1:01:02
  Lisa Hopkins: I'm sure you listened to what he said.
• 1:01:05
  David Josefsberg: Oh, yeah, and I don't like to disappoint.
• 1:01:08
  David Josefsberg: So even back then I was like, oh, maybe he's right he's right, yeah, yeah, fair enough, hey.
• 1:01:15
  Lisa Hopkins: And what's the best advice you were ever given?
• 1:01:19
  David Josefsberg: my parents allowing and giving me the opportunity to follow the dreams and the things that I love.
• 1:01:27
  David Josefsberg: So, like you know, my parents didn't have enough money to send me NYU.
• 1:01:33
  David Josefsberg: They'll figure out a way to send me to NYU, my parents, you know, you know, just pushing me towards, uh, following the things that I'm good at, and well, not good at, but that I love.
• 1:01:46
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, that's amazing.
• 1:01:47
  Lisa Hopkins: What a gift.
• 1:01:48
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, I mean really.
• 1:01:52
  David Josefsberg: But then you worry on the other side like am I too, hands off, allowing them, my children, to do?
• 1:01:58
  Lisa Hopkins: these things too.
• 1:01:59
  Lisa Hopkins: Who knows, I don't know.
• 1:02:00
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, yeah, the parenting there.
• 1:02:01
  Lisa Hopkins: Back to the parenting thing.
• 1:02:02
  Lisa Hopkins: It's hard, it's so hard.
• 1:02:03
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, you know that's amazing.
• 1:02:06
  Lisa Hopkins: Hey, so what makes you hungry?
• 1:02:09
  Lisa Hopkins: This is rapid fire.
• 1:02:10
  Lisa Hopkins: We've done this before what?
• 1:02:14
  David Josefsberg: makes you hungry.
• 1:02:14
  David Josefsberg: What makes me hungry?
• 1:02:16
  David Josefsberg: Uh, accomplishing something that's hard, doing hard things.
• 1:02:21
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, fair enough.
• 1:02:22
  Lisa Hopkins: What makes you sad?
• 1:02:23
  Lisa Hopkins: When other people are sad and that they and they can't get out of sad and they can't get out of it.
• 1:02:38
  David Josefsberg: What inspires you?
• 1:02:39
  David Josefsberg: Music, seeing achievement, a good quote, a good book, inspires me.
• 1:02:47
  David Josefsberg: What inspires me, what inspires me Connection.
• 1:02:50
  David Josefsberg: It was a different inspiring, I guess right Connection.
• 1:02:53
  David Josefsberg: Love, seeing people achieve things, I guess like impossible things.
• 1:03:01
  David Josefsberg: Love it.
• 1:03:02
  Lisa Hopkins: Hey, when you feel, inspired what do you do?
• 1:03:07
  David Josefsberg: I feel inspired.
• 1:03:08
  David Josefsberg: What do you do?
• 1:03:08
  David Josefsberg: I feel inspired?
• 1:03:09
  David Josefsberg: What do I do?
• 1:03:10
  David Josefsberg: Well, first I send them videos to my family so that they can be inspired as well.
• 1:03:16
  David Josefsberg: Of course, sometimes write things down, sometimes go out and do things.
• 1:03:21
  David Josefsberg: I take that energy and use it to do the things that I want to do.
• 1:03:27
  Lisa Hopkins: Like go work out do something real hard.
• 1:03:28
  Lisa Hopkins: I love it, so it energizes you.
• 1:03:31
  Lisa Hopkins: Cool.
• 1:03:31
  Lisa Hopkins: What frustrates you?
• 1:03:34
  David Josefsberg: What frustrates me Ooh, that's a good one Not doing the things that I promised myself, not being able to remember words being stopped, blocked.
• 1:03:44
  David Josefsberg: What makes you laugh?
• 1:03:45
  David Josefsberg: Dog videos.
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  David Josefsberg: Brilliant people Shout out, roger Barth Actually, so many people that I've worked with recently and stood by for have been yeah, no kidding.
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  David Josefsberg: Like unbelievably talented people who just I don't know it just naturally falls out of them.
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  David Josefsberg: Yeah, so comedy.
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  Lisa Hopkins: Do you identify as a, as a funny person yourself?
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  Lisa Hopkins: I mean, I know you've heard that you're told you're funny, but but do you do you?
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  Lisa Hopkins: Do you actually own and realize that you, you do make people laugh?
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  David Josefsberg: Yes, yeah, yeah.
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  David Josefsberg: Interestingly enough, though, I can't tell a joke.
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  David Josefsberg: I can't, well, that's a little believe probably that I don't, but I won't remember a joke.
• 1:04:25
  David Josefsberg: I can't, well, that's a little.
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  Lisa Hopkins: Believe probably that I don't, that I won't remember the joke.
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  David Josefsberg: Wow, that's a good one, Okay year five.
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  Lisa Hopkins: You won't remember the punchline.
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  David Josefsberg: We got so many things for year five, lisa, but yes, I feel like I'm a mini version of a lot of them.
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  David Josefsberg: So this we can go deep on this too, because I'm not as studious as they are.
• 1:04:47
  David Josefsberg: But I deep on this too, because I'm not as studious of as they are, but I believe they are.
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  David Josefsberg: But it's true, like I haven't put in the time to, naturally I think that I am that person.
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  Lisa Hopkins: Yes, yeah, yeah, fair.
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  Lisa Hopkins: What makes you angry?
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  David Josefsberg: oh, what makes me angry?
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  David Josefsberg: Look at him embodying anger.
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  Lisa Hopkins: What makes me angry?
• 1:05:04
  Lisa Hopkins: Look at him embodying anger.
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  David Josefsberg: What makes me angry, his face is going red.
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  David Josefsberg: I do get angry, like you know.
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  David Josefsberg: I want people to see me as like this guy, but I do yell and get uncomfortable with my kids and say things when I shouldn't and do as everyone does.
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  Lisa Hopkins: So what pisses you off?
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  Lisa Hopkins: What makes you angry?
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  David Josefsberg: You know when people are not doing.
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  David Josefsberg: When you know when people are not doing, uh, when people are the world, the meanness the uh doing things for because people are different makes me very freaking angry.
• 1:05:38
  David Josefsberg: Yeah uh you know, yeah I guess that's really what's on my mind now yeah, no, it totally makes sense.
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  Lisa Hopkins: And finally, what makes you grateful?
• 1:05:51
  David Josefsberg: so many things.
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  David Josefsberg: Yeah, my upbringing just being here in this world, my children, my career, my puppies, my where I'm living, where I will be living in the future who knows?
• 1:06:08
  David Josefsberg: Ohio State, where?
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  Lisa Hopkins: I'm living where I will be living in the future, who knows.
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  Lisa Hopkins: It's like okay, we're running out of time people.
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  David Josefsberg: He's just going to go on and on Ohio State, the fact that I can't have alcohol when I want to I love coffee.
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  David Josefsberg: I'm grateful for Lisa.
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  David Josefsberg: I'm grateful for this audience.
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  Lisa Hopkins: I love it.
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  Lisa Hopkins: Oh my God, what are the top three things that happened so far today?
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  David Josefsberg: What did I do?
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  David Josefsberg: Woke up, I woke up, that's one without waking up.
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  David Josefsberg: I couldn't do the rest, so we'll do wake up and coffee time, because that was a beautiful morning I love coffee time in the morning is there's nothing better?
• 1:06:37
  David Josefsberg: well, there would be something better.
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  David Josefsberg: When I see your pictures, I'm jealous because I would like to be sitting out by a lake and see a beautiful scenery every once in a while.
• 1:06:45
  David Josefsberg: So, but my morning was my morning coffee.
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  David Josefsberg: Ooh, accomplishing, getting things done, like I dropped off a rental car and making a little food for my son before he went to camp his work.
• 1:07:03
  David Josefsberg: Don't tell him, because then he's going to make me do it every single day that's so funny.
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  Lisa Hopkins: What's something you're looking forward to today?
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  Lisa Hopkins: And then bigger picture what's something that you're looking forward to in the future?
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  David Josefsberg: in the future, which is interesting.
• 1:07:18
  David Josefsberg: Back to the future I'm looking forward to uh, first, right, I'm gonna do a workout.
• 1:07:27
  David Josefsberg: Uh, today, uh, I am going to do a workout today.
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  David Josefsberg: I am going to eat some delicious food and then head into the city to go do the show and I think I'm going to be my Strickland today, which is fantastic.
• 1:07:39
  David Josefsberg: But I am looking forward to in this, oh, two huge things this next couple of weeks Roger's out, get to play well, this I don't know when this is coming out, but I'm going to get to play a doc and I'm having my specific dates that I know.
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  David Josefsberg: So I'm going to have family and friends and so many people come.
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  David Josefsberg: And then I'm going to Portugal for a week.
• 1:08:01
  David Josefsberg: Wow, yeah, that's exciting.
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  David Josefsberg: And that's, in the next couple of weeks, super exciting.
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  David Josefsberg: Yeah, I mean back to, I mean grateful and stuff doing this job.
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  David Josefsberg: Also, I had my kids come and my wife come on a night where there were 150 kids and people screaming and I got to go on for doc and it was a huge audience and the energy with the audience was amazing.
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  David Josefsberg: And then to have my sons ask if they could bring their friends back and come back.
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  David Josefsberg: Especially, like you know, 16 and 19 year year old boys don't necessarily think their dad's so cool, but for him to do that, so that is a huge gratitude moment for me.
• 1:08:36
  Lisa Hopkins: Totally Talk about your world coming together and didn't?
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  Lisa Hopkins: Didn't I read that?
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  Lisa Hopkins: Isn't Casey likes the son of someone that you work?
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  Lisa Hopkins: That's so cool.
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  David Josefsberg: Yeah, yeah, so Casey is, which is here's another thought I had.
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  David Josefsberg: I went to go see Casey sing his national anthem at the Mets game last night with my kids.
• 1:08:53
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
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  David Josefsberg: And realized that my wife had gotten me to sing the national anthem.
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  David Josefsberg: She called and pretended she was my agent and said my son, my husband, is a star of Les Mis.
• 1:09:04
  David Josefsberg: Can he sing the anthem?
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  David Josefsberg: And they said yes.
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  David Josefsberg: So I sang it and I was wearing the same shirt, but realized that that was 24 years ago and that Casey Likes is 22.
• 1:09:14
  David Josefsberg: Wow, so I sang that Actually, probably when I knew his mom, she and I did Les Mis as well.
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  David Josefsberg: Yeah, the show.
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  David Josefsberg: But to think that I couldn't believe that it was.
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  David Josefsberg: You know we talk about four years going by, but that 24 years had gone by and I was like what in the hell?
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  David Josefsberg: That's amazing.
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  David Josefsberg: How cool is that?
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  David Josefsberg: I love it.
• 1:09:39
  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, like full, full circle, david.
• 1:09:42
  Lisa Hopkins: Oh my God, this has been great.
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  Lisa Hopkins: I knew it would be, but I'm I'm totally delighted.
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  Lisa Hopkins: It's been such a pleasure.
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  Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are awesome.
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  Lisa Hopkins: I really appreciate great.
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  Lisa Hopkins: I knew it would be but I'm, I'm totally delighted.
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  David Josefsberg: It's been such a pleasure.
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  David Josefsberg: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are awesome.
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  David Josefsberg: I really appreciate it.
• 1:09:50
  David Josefsberg: I'm so grateful for you, ditto and yeah.
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  Lisa Hopkins: Ditto Thanks.
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  Lisa Hopkins: Thanks for having me.
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  Lisa Hopkins: I've been speaking today with David Josephsburg.
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  Lisa Hopkins: Stay safe and healthy.
• 1:10:01
  Lisa Hopkins: Everyone, remember to live in the moment.
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  Lisa Hopkins: In music, stop time is that beautiful moment where the band is suspended in rhythmic unison, supporting the soloist to express their individuality In the moment.
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  Lisa Hopkins: I encourage you to take that time and create your own rhythm.
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  Lisa Hopkins: Until next time, I'm Lisa Hopkins.
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  Lisa Hopkins: Thanks for listening.