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#180 – Did The Sweetest Thing age well? (w/ Michelle Murphy) · Did That Age Well?

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Hello everybody, welcome to Did that age.
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IDK now today you know her, you love her, a close friend of the
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I feel like I am a little bit congested today so.
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It's fine. Sorry, what can I say?
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I couldn't put this off any longer by putting it off, and
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that sounds intentional. It sounds like I've been
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avoiding having you on the podcast, But without further
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ado, Michelle Murphy, welcome back.
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I couldn't be happier to be here, especially the day that I
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fly out of DIA. I'm I'm just going to miss the
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flight to keep recording with you.
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We could we could be here all day.
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Jacob, you got anything else going on?
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Hell yeah. So, Michelle, how are you?
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What's going on with you? Oh, you know, just.
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I'm just raw jogging it or getting raw jogged by life.
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Just. Yeah.
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I'm just happy to be back in Denver.
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It's been a nice week. Going home for a bit.
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Yeah. Did some shows.
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Did some shows. Yeah.
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Yeah. Super fun.
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Good. Yeah.
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Do you have any dates or anything coming up?
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This will probably come out in like a week or two.
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No, OK. It's great.
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Where can people find you on the Internet if you want them to
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find? You yeah, I I think well,
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sometimes I want to be seen. I want to be witnessed.
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It really depends Yeah. My Instagram is Meesh.
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Off leash. It's M EE SH.
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Even though that's not the short abbreviated version of how you
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spell Michelle. Don't worry about it.
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Don't think too much about it. I think the name originated when
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I was maybe drunk, like three blocks from here in high school.
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So yeah, nostalgia. It's good to be back, yeah.
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Well, today we are talking about the sweetest.
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Thing. Oh my God.
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Sweetest Thing Girl A completely underrated female driven,
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raunchy, R rated comedy written by Nancy Pimentel.
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I knew it. I knew it was a woman.
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I did. I knew a woman wrote it.
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Yeah, she is one of the writers on South Park.
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Fantastic. As you can tell, heavily
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influenced by that experience and heavily influenced by Monty
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Python style stuff, hence the musical elements of it.
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She actually wanted this to be campier and goofier, but I guess
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when she turned the script over to Roger Cumble, I think I'm
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pronouncing that right, who directed it?
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She felt like there was some stuff tonally that was lost that
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if she had been more involved in the directing process or if she
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had been there to kind of like, you know, be a more a part of
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the process of executing it, that it would have been even
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sillier. Oh my God, I love to hear that.
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The camp was what made it. And a talk about underrated.
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I mean, I don't want to throw you under the bus, Molly, but it
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wasn't even on your list. I know, isn't that so sad?
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And I was only reminded of it because a friend had just
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watched it this past weekend. She had never seen it.
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And she was like, what? What the hell?
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And we it's time for A reckoning.
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It's time. And I'm honored to be among
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those who are revisiting this film to say hell yeah, yeah, we
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got to bring it back. Iconic, iconic.
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So in 2002, when it came out, big flop.
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Big. Oh, yeah.
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Critics hated this movie. Hated.
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Hate, hate, hate. They said it's not good.
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They said I don't like it. Yeah, the Rotten Tomatoes score
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is like in the 20s. I did see that.
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I Yeah. I think that at the time they
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felt like it was just too gross, which of course they said that
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because it's girls. There's like a dream about
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getting eaten out. They're like, Oh my.
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God, this. Is.
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Eel And then they also said that they felt like the plot wasn't
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very strong, which I totally disagree.
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What? No, the it's such a romp.
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It's a romp. It's a buddy comedy.
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It's a buddy comedy. Like, yeah, the guy's barely in
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it. I know.
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It is sisterhood, it is womanhood, it is dancing in your
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heel. It is everything.
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Yeah, it's not. Even though there is ROM and
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there is calm, it's really not so much a ROM com as it is a
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tale of friendship. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's truly
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the Odyssey. It is a journey that is an art.
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Yeah, absolutely, Absolutely. Critics are idiots.
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I know. They're so stupid.
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So, Nancy Pimentel, if you're listening.
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And girl, I hope you. Are.
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Yeah, please. I want you to know that we loved
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the sweetest thing. We loved it.
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We understand that you were early in your career when you
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wrote this and you took a big swing.
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She was early in her career, Yeah.
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This was masterful though. I know.
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And and with that said, I don't mean to say like, oh, she was
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early in her career and therefore it wasn't good.
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I mean, she was early in her career and she said that she
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didn't yet understand, like, right?
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Like the leverage she could execute.
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And she was kind of just like, yeah, I didn't really know how
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to, like, translate the tone over to a director.
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But it but it still worked. Like that's what's crazy is that
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it could have been campier and sillier and it was already
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perfect. Honestly, yeah.
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Do you know what it was competing with that year?
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Yes, it was competing with God. What was the IT?
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It came out the same weekend as a couple of other movies that
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weren't crazy. But I'm going to I'm going to go
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ahead and look it up because because I just saw it yesterday.
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In the meantime, tell me, tell me more about your history with
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this movie. OK, so I, I used to see scenes
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of it on TBS or TNT, you know, whatever was like in constant
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rotation. I, I, I don't think I saw it
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when it came out. I think in my like late teens
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and 20s I would see pieces of it and I was like, this is fun.
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But I really, Oh my God, I, I missed out on it as well.
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Like I should have been way more enmeshed with it.
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Also, the versions of it that played on TNT and TBS were
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really cut. It cut and edited down.
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And then when I moved to San Francisco, which I actually
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moved to San Francisco because of the movie Homeward Bound,
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lost in San Francisco, so. So, so understandable.
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So, so movies really, yeah, they, they put me there and I
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saw a little bit of it because it's it's set there wonderfully.
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So I now realize in hindsight after living there for seven
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years, but I mean, I I remember liking it, but I never watched
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it all the way through, which is crazy until last night.
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And I was like, this is Canon. Like, I don't what?
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I don't know why we were watching Sex in the City.
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We should have been watching the sweetest thing.
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We should have. It was.
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Yeah, no, I it's the best thing I've ever seen.
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I will say I sorry, I'm like really overdoing it not.
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To be, not to be dramatic or any not to be.
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Dramatic like I've. Ever.
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It's the best art that's ever been made.
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I usually, you know this. I usually bring a lot of notes
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to these recordings because I am scrupulous about nostalgia.
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I get very litigious about it. I have been in Denver for a
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week. I have not worked one day since
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I have been here. And last night I kicked back.
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I poured a glass of wine and I put it on and I was like,
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finally a night off. Wow.
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A night off with the girls. Night off, they've all been
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nights off, but it just felt like that indulgent and
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culminating it. Was it phenomenal?
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Well, you have been working. You've been doing shows.
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Sure. Yeah.
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OK. OK.
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Thank you. Yeah, whatever it's worth.
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Yeah. But yeah, yeah.
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But not. But yeah, I.
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Hear Jacob laughing. He said I can laugh some.
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Of my am I allowed to break the force I was?
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Kidding. OK, yeah.
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So the the movies that came out, Sorry, yes.
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Yes, yes, back. Yeah, yeah, I was getting a
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little out of control. And it ranked behind changing
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lanes and panic room. OK, I so I'm not even gonna talk
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about it. I'm.
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Just so I have AI have a little poll quote from an article with
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the screenwriter. Would you like to hear?
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It I would love to. OK, so she said.
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Trey and Matt from South Park, was that outrageousness never
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like their influence? Was that the outrageousness
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never led the story? The story was the first moment.
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Every episode had to start with a story that had a beginning,
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middle and an end. It's out of the story and out of
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the characters and out of the situation.
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The big moments came. I like to think that I don't
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write for the sake of shock or being gratuitous, but the
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characters inform where the outrageousness wants to go in
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this day and age. I think if I were writing it
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today, this was in 2018, the characters would probably inform
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me of something bigger and more outrageous because our bar is so
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much higher and we are more desensitized.
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It's like a poem, honestly. I know honestly, they say, you
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know, Taylor Swift once said the greatest films of all time were
11:03
never made. And and that's the first time
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I've ever quoted that woman on this podcast.
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I wondered, and it probably will be the last time.
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No offense, no offense, no offense, girl, but yeah.
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But I felt like someone had to say.
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It I mean. What this film could have been,
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and it was already. So good.
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The stakes were already so high. I mean, it just also just like
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the camaraderie, like the opening scene is them dancing
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and walking up the streets in San Francisco.
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She is wearing basically a bralette as a shirt.
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And we are to understand that she's coming from work.
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God love her. She's also wearing there's like,
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I mean, the fashion was so it was fantastic.
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Scarf. Work.
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Yeah, yes, the scarf she's wearing a camo scarf that has
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like a a like shredded flower on one side and then just like a
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long tail on the other kind. Of a rat tail, exactly.
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And, and it's camo mesh and I immediately was like, I'm in for
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this movie. Whatever happens, I'm I.
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Said I'm on her side no matter what I said.
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I'm rooting for her. I'm with her.
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So yeah, Cameron Diaz, Christina Ricci, Selma White, That's her.
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That's her name. Right.
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It's Selma, Christina and Christina Applegate.
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Did I say Christina Ricci? You did.
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But I love her, too. I mean, it's it's Casper season.
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You can't be blank for that. You know, we're all yeah.
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Cameron Diaz, Christina Applegate and Selma Blair.
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Yeah. A dream team of women,
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absolutely. I love that Christina Applegate
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is just like a hot lawyer too. Like, that's great.
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These women, they have jobs, they have lives, they have
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friends, they have family, they have full personalities.
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Works. Yeah, and they have fun.
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Oh my God, do they ever have fun?
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Oh my God, they're just girlies having fun.
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Nancy Pimentel did say that her motivation to write this film,
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of course, was that there were no real representations of women
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in these types of movies and like these raunchy comedies
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really either at all. Or if they were, they were like
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a shrill bitch, or like a meek little like.
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Right. Or competitive with each other,
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like they just gas each other up at the freaking nightclub.
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They call shotgun on men and I'm like, good, go with God.
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Like you did call shotgun first. They're like dancing together.
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They get swarmed by creeps and they navigate through it.
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Also, I love that throughout the movie they just authentically
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turn to each other and they're like, Oh my God.
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Like they're just having these honest reactions that we have
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when we're out in the world dealing with jabronis.
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It just, it's I feel like that movie was, it's so sad how rare
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it is, but it felt like the beginning of like the Broad City
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friendship where they're just like full send full hype.
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Like they just adore each other, you know?
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So much fun. Yeah.
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They want to make sure that no one is missing out on what life
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has to offer. Yeah.
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And I thought that was so beautiful.
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And and also all the men are just like buffoons.
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I loved that they kind of twisted that narrative on its
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head. And it was like, the men in this
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story are really just tools to advance the story between these
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women forward and their friendship and their
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relationship, rather than as a tool to show like, oh, they're
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growing in their, like, personal development because they're
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settling down with someone. It wasn't so much that.
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It was like, instead I thought that the the message that I
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received was like, I'm just tired of the game.
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Yeah. It wasn't so much like, I'm such
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a slut and I have to stop messing around so I can finally
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grow up. It was like I'm just tired.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And aren't we all?
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And aren't we? All like ladies, am I right?
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But they were. The men were so ancillary.
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Even when it opened, it was like, it's like talking about
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Christina, the name of Cameron Diaz's character.
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And the guys are just idiots, you know, And the jokes are
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punching at them like one guy. He's like, you know, it's normal
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to have also impotence. I haven't heard us call it that
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in a really long time. Long.
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Time. But these were the times.
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And he's like, oh, I had that after dating her.
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Yeah. They said long term, yeah.
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Long term, yeah. Yeah, I, I want so badly to see
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the documentary where people say, tell me about Molly.
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I wanna see that. I wanna see that.
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Sure. Don't we all?
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I really liked how in that opening scene, they're like, OK,
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tell me about her. And she's, you know, she is a
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heartbreaker. She is leaving these men high
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and dry. And she is.
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They call her a player rather than like she's a skank.
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Which is totally. The language of the time and and
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still, but I was just so I can't remember if they used the word
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skank at all. I actually don't think they did
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and I don't even know if between.
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I think maybe the only time is when they were the girlies were
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like riffing with each other and they're like, you have literal
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jizz on this dress that you're going to take into the
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laundromat. But the men, I mean, Jason
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Batemans character was obviously like the misogynist foil.
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So the, you know, he might have said the word slut, but he
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existed to say that like that was exactly.
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Yeah, he. Existed to be their foil, to be
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like someone that we laugh at, whereas the women were laughing
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with them. Totally.
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They were like, Christina's character is a womanizer.
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And we were like, yeah, great. She sure is.
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One thing that was really fun was they mentioned the movie
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Swingers right away. Oh my God.
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Yeah, talked about that on the pod, the influence of that movie
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and and how cool that this film that was about like men and
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their friendship and this movie about like women and their
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friendship. There was just like these
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crossovers. It was like it, I would
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certainly not say like this is the girl version of Swingers,
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but like the fact that Swingers had that kind of influence on
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this movie, or at least like on culture at the time.
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That was fun. OK, I also love one thing about
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movies in the early 2000s is when they say the title of the
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movie in the 1st 10 minutes when someone when there's dialogue
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and someone said well isn't that the sweetest thing?
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I. Forgot I didn't notice.
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Oh my God. It was when?
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What's his? What's his name?
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Peter. Oh.
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Sure. I forgot.
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Yeah, it's not about the men. This.
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Is not about him. It was when he was first getting
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in an argument with Christina Cameron.
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He has this character and she, she.
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Pinched his ass. Yeah, and she said something
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about like about love or dating or something.
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And he goes, well, isn't that just the sweetest thing?
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Oh my God, amazing. In like a in like a sarcastic
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way. So that's fun.
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We see women having sex for fun. A lot of it, honestly, it's,
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it's amazing. It's.
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A lot of fun to watch. One thing that I think was
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unfortunately lost between the screenplay and the execution of
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the film is unfortunately, all three of these women are
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conventionally so hot. And so a lot of a lot of what I
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think was designed to be camp and really tongue in cheek came
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across as like, they're sexy, aren't they?
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You know. Especially the musical number,
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the penis song. Like I think that was one piece
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in particular that was meant to be more like silly Monty Python,
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Like we're all just breaking out in song.
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And because these women are undeniably gorgeous in by
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conventional standards, it became like a, oh, they're so
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hot. Like it became almost like a
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they were trying to lean into the sexiness of it when it
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wasn't supposed to be sexy. Sex wasn't supposed to be sexy.
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Right. It was supposed to be like as
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crude and camp as possible, but hot women can't be funny.
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I don't know if you guys knew that.
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But I don't know about that. Oh, Oh no, I don't know if
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anyone told you that's actually not.
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True. Yeah.
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Oh, OK, I'm learning it here. I'm really glad to hear about
19:33
it. Yeah.
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That penis scene though, do. The penis song.
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Do you all know what to do, which is to go to YouTube to
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watch it? Because it's not, you can't.
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It's not a part of the film. It's.
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So disappointing that that was what ended up on the unrated
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version like DVD. The deleted scene rather than
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the the piercing being stuck in the mouth like it.
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To me I mean. And that was also hilarious.
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Again, a moment. It is still a musical number.
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Yeah, absolutely. And it is still so funny and
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camp and over the top, but I was just really surprised that a
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scene with a blowjob was the one that was maintained or retained
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in the movie rather than. I think it's, I think it's
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'cause she, I think it's 'cause like she was maybe pleasuring
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him with a blowjob. And then the whole, the whole
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gimmick of the song of like you're so basically they're
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like, you have to say that whatever guy you're sleeping
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with, you have to say your Dick is too big to fit inside me.
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And like, the chorus is you're too big to fit in here.
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It's amazing. But it's it's a ruse.
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You know, they're like, just say whatever the fuck to make them
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feel good. It doesn't matter.
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And yeah, and maybe it was like, that's too women are too smart
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and strategic and so get that out of here.
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But yeah, the blowjob, You would think the blowjob scene would be
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maybe a a kiss too far. A kiss too far.
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Literally. But it was thanks a woman.
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Can be funny. Yeah, maybe they can.
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Yeah, we'll see. Yeah.
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Yeah. But I I just, I needed to watch
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that scene on YouTube like multiple times and I wish it
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were in the movie. I woke up this morning and
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watched it again. I laid in my bed and I said the
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first thing I'm going to do this morning is watch that scene.
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Yeah. So go watch it.
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Go watch it on YouTube. It's hilarious.
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I mean, do watch this movie and then just.
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Oh my God. When you're like, God, something
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is missing. Yeah, go look up the penis song.
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Yeah, the sweetest thing on YouTube, please.
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OK, so in the in the beginning of the movie, they're reading
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through the 10 commandments of love or whatever, just like
21:54
another cheesy book. What do you think?
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And and then one of them is like, that's relationship
21:59
propaganda. Yeah.
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What do you think is the modern relationship propaganda?
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Wow, an idea, a book, a person like, you know?
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Before I answer that I have to say watching watching them reach
22:13
for that book the 10 commandments, I was like oh
22:15
Jesus Christ. But at the same time, maybe nary
22:19
2 months ago I ordered the book calling in the ones so oh.
22:25
Girl I know. I know I shouldn't confess that
22:28
here, but I was like, this is so embarrassing.
22:29
They're reading a book like this.
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And then I looked at my Amazon orders and I was like, it's
22:34
sometimes when it gets rough out there, you're like, I'll do
22:37
whatever it takes, you know? I'll take it.
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I'll take in all the information.
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I. Can I'll take in all the
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information I can? Yeah, I'll do.
22:43
I'll. Yeah, I'm ready.
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Hands on deck. I'm ready.
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Any any strategy? Every strategy.
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Yeah, like a, a white 49 year old woman named Karen writing
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this book in the Midwest about how to find love.
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I think that's the book I accidentally bought.
22:56
And so I think she also wrote the 10 commandments, the
23:00
relationship propaganda. Now I I don't, I don't think, I
23:07
don't know. Is there any word in like a New
23:09
Frontier? I think that probably like
23:13
dating TikTok influencers or like dating coaches on TikTok
23:18
giving advice. Maybe the new like modern
23:21
relationship propaganda, like the relationship propaganda
23:25
landscape, has been democratized in many.
23:27
Ways. And so I think that we've had
23:29
like a lot of unusual voices coming to the forefront.
23:34
I think that unfortunately, like in a much darker way, the modern
23:37
relationship propaganda is like in cell propaganda.
23:41
Yeah, absolutely. So there's that.
23:43
But I think that like for relationship propaganda aimed at
23:48
women, I would say it's probably more like the TikTok dating
23:51
coaches, not at which some of you are probably great, but many
23:57
of you are probably not. Yeah, I I think like 4 years ago
24:01
I noticed a really big trend in everyone ascribing all of their
24:08
relationships and reactions to attachment style.
24:12
I was. Just going to say yeah and and
24:14
like, yes, there's value in knowing your attachment styles,
24:17
but it to me it felt completely reductive.
24:21
It was like, if you have any feeling at all, it's because
24:24
this person is bringing up old attachment trauma wounds.
24:27
Also, I moved to Los Angeles. Don't do it.
24:31
And it was like sex and love addiction is very big there.
24:36
And so the minute I got there, I felt like everybody was talking
24:39
about if you've ever felt anything, you can attribute it
24:42
to being a sex and love addict and to not knowing your
24:46
attachment style well enough. And I was like, Jesus fucking
24:48
Christ, can a girl just get railed out here?
24:49
Like what the fuck you know? Like it can I be?
24:52
Yeah, can it be? OK, Yeah, yeah.
24:55
And like, sorry that sometimes responding to attachment styles
24:59
are exciting and you get adrenaline.
25:01
I feel like I'm lobotomized in this world on a day-to-day
25:04
basis. So get the heart rate going, you
25:06
know, absolutely we. Take what we can get.
25:08
What's so bad about? What's so bad about?
25:11
It what's so bad about maybe some toxicity?
25:14
Yeah, yeah. I also think the new I don't
25:18
even think this is like relationship propaganda, but
25:20
there's just this reckoning that women are better than men and in
25:26
the dating pool, there's just a lot more available women.
25:30
And I mean, we saw it on the season of Love is blind Denver,
25:34
which and none of those people are from Denver, just so you
25:37
know, just so you know, they live in Lai know this because
25:40
I'm like their Rover. And so I was like, those people
25:42
aren't those are not Denver residents.
25:45
But you know, all spoiler. Can I spoil it?
25:49
Yeah, if you. Yeah.
25:51
Yeah, like change the channel or whatever if you need to, but all
25:55
the women say no at the altar. They're like, you would make my
25:59
life worse. And So what are you bringing to
26:03
enhance my life? And it is, I mean, I think among
26:06
the girlies, that's what's being discussed the most, which is
26:09
probably not good that like the girls are having that
26:11
conversation of decentering men or being like, if you're going
26:14
to be in my life, I want it to improve my life.
26:16
And then meanwhile there are a lot of men getting red pilled.
26:19
And so, God, it's a really. It's so.
26:23
Dark out there. It's really dark out there.
26:25
Really dark. Giving fascism.
26:26
Yeah. So yeah.
26:28
But the sweetest thing is like, super fun, you know?
26:31
Yeah. And the 10 commandments, Yeah.
26:32
It's so funny. I love, I loved that they were
26:35
like, they just the the way in which it was so 2002 like that
26:43
they couldn't just track him down.
26:45
They had to literally drive across the state.
26:48
So So for those who haven't seen it or haven't seen it in a
26:51
while, Christina Cameron Diaz's character meets this guy at a
26:57
club and she starts to at first they have like a chili encounter
27:02
and then she decides to, as Christina Ricci's character
27:08
says, she named the dog, she named the pet.
27:10
She like, starts talking about him with his real name rather
27:14
than like some nickname or whatever.
27:15
She's like his name is Peter and.
27:17
She's like, uh Oh, yeah. So she starts to become attached
27:20
to him. She has a little crush on him.
27:23
He invites her to go to another party.
27:25
She declines. She doesn't go.
27:27
And then she feels regret. Yeah.
27:29
Christina Ricci's. Applegate No, I love it.
27:32
I love it. It's I love it.
27:36
Christina Ricci would have been great in this world.
27:37
She would have. Christina Applegate's character
27:41
takes her takes Cameron Diaz on a road trip to the middle of
27:47
nowhere to go to what she thinks is going to be his brother's
27:51
wedding. It turns out to be his wedding.
27:55
To who? Parker Post.
27:57
Oh my God. Also also they're they decide
28:02
they Parker and Peter don't get married.
28:06
And later when they're at the reception and Parker Posey is
28:09
like, I actually want to take the money and go to Bali.
28:13
I was like, we are at the beginning of the White Lotus.
28:15
This is this is the training. This it was a prophecy foretold.
28:19
Yeah, this. Was the prequel.
28:21
Yeah, yeah, that was exciting to see.
28:23
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29:00
But yeah, they go on an adventure.
29:01
It is. So it's so fun.
29:03
They go on a little road trip. Yeah, yeah.
29:05
And there is. I mean, despite the fact that,
29:08
like I said before, there are some parts that are sexualized
29:13
that I don't think we're meant to be sexy, There is one scene
29:18
in particular that I really loved after after they have an
29:23
encounter with a glory hole in a bathroom and they and they're
29:27
like, shot across the room with toilet water.
29:30
Yeah, they're changing their clothes.
29:33
Yeah. We also can we talk about the
29:35
fact that to this wedding, her bra was an American flag
29:40
swimsuit. Yeah.
29:41
Because it's laundry day. So they're both wearing like,
29:46
they're both wearing this ratty, not sexy underwear.
29:50
It's amazing. They're like, they're both like
29:53
to each other. They're like, I have a
29:54
confession. It's laundry day.
29:55
And so my underwear is ugly. And I loved that part.
29:59
I wanted more of that where it's like, yes, these women are
30:05
they're acting raunchy. Maybe they even have their
30:07
clothes off, but they're wearing like, you know, real underwear.
30:12
Right. And her intention is to
30:14
potentially Mack with Peter that night.
30:17
And she still went into it being like, I'm wearing this because
30:22
men should just be happy to be there, you know what I mean?
30:24
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Even if it's laundry day, go
30:26
forth into the night just, like, do it.
30:28
Absolutely. Yeah.
30:29
Wear the bikini top. Where the American flag bikini
30:32
top is a bra because it's laundry day.
30:36
But the sexual scene after, so they're, they're changing.
30:40
Are you talking about the driving scene?
30:42
Yeah, so the driving scene. So fun.
30:45
The driving scene is very funny because one of the women is
30:51
trying to find the. It was like the cap to Chapstick
30:55
or something. Yeah.
30:56
Yeah. She's trying to find something
30:58
in the seat. It looks as though she's
31:00
performing oral sex on her friend.
31:01
Yeah. A motorcyclist.
31:03
A man is right next to them. He becomes distracted and gets
31:07
into a wreck. Yeah.
31:09
He survives, they do show that. Survive, but Christina
31:13
Applegate's. Character nailed it.
31:15
Thank you. She is kind of playing into it
31:19
because she's like, this is so funny.
31:20
And maybe he'll crash his motorcycle.
31:22
So she's playing into it to her naive friend's chagrin,
31:28
pretending like she's being pleasured by her friend.
31:30
And, and while I did think, I don't know, on the one hand, I'm
31:36
like, it is funny that she's in on the joke that she's like, I
31:39
know that men think that if women are hooking up with each
31:43
other, it's for them. And so she's like trolling him.
31:47
Totally, Yeah. I wonder, do you think that it
31:50
still was coming from this perspective of like, Oh my God,
31:55
the punchline is that like, isn't it so funny if women have
31:58
sex with each other? I mean, I feel like they kind of
32:02
subvert the stereotype 'cause they do that in the nightclub as
32:04
well. They do.
32:06
Yeah, because she has fake boobs and so the other women are like
32:12
feeling her up, but they're but it's not in a sexual way.
32:15
But all the men are like hubba, hubba.
32:17
Right, like these guys are walking by and the door swings
32:19
open and what they imagine to be happening in the girls bathroom
32:23
right in their wildest fantasies is happening where like 5 women
32:27
are just like grabbing her boobs and they're like exchanging lip
32:29
gloss and having a chitchat. And I, I mean, I think it's just
32:33
another example of, like, men are the idiots.
32:36
And it's just so easy to, to, like, dupe them, you know?
32:40
Yeah, yeah. Well, good.
32:43
I'm glad that you felt that. We could can I also say I really
32:46
like her exchange with Peter. It felt in all in so many of
32:51
these ROM coms. It's so like, I don't know,
32:53
manufactured and you're like, that's not, that is not a real
32:57
conversation that would make me attracted to a stranger.
33:00
But they actually have this like they have this rapport and they
33:04
have this banter that just seems like honest.
33:07
And then they're both like vulnerable a little bit.
33:09
They go back and forth being like, let me buy you a drink and
33:11
whatever. Also, one of my favorite things
33:14
that happens. She calls him like they do
33:17
immediately go to the place where they like read each other
33:19
down in a way that movies do where you're like, you don't
33:22
know enough about this person to be like, you're the girl that
33:24
all the guys fall for, but you don't take them seriously.
33:28
But she calls him like Mr. Safety Poo or something, which
33:31
is insane. And then at one point he says
33:35
nice manners. I was bodied like that is the
33:40
that is like the meanest thing you can say to someone.
33:42
Can you imagine someone just it's like the equivalent of just
33:47
calling somebody like a bottom feeder.
33:48
Instead of insulting them and cursing at them, you just say
33:52
nice manners. It was hot.
33:55
That cut me. Yeah, I felt that.
33:58
I I can't imagine like a Gen. Z saying that in the nightclub,
34:02
like nice manners, walking away. Yeah, I I think we should talk
34:06
like that again. Yeah, when it's deserved.
34:09
I know I'm telling myself I'm like the most crude among us,
34:11
but I'm like, you can just say nice manners.
34:13
And so it's. Like, I mean, yeah, but like,
34:15
I'd only say that to someone I really, really hate, you know,
34:19
because that's like, that's so brutal.
34:23
It is. It's harsh.
34:24
Yeah, it's harsh. OK, so one part that to me
34:29
didn't age well was when they're in the dressing room at this
34:36
bizarre dress shop, which I love.
34:39
They're in this small town, and there's only one dress shop
34:41
within 20 miles. And as I said before, they're
34:44
covered in toilet water, so they need to get some new outfits.
34:48
And before they do my favorite thing, which is a montage.
34:52
Yeah. Yeah.
34:53
Which is so camp because they're like, Oh my God, do we have time
34:56
for a movie montage? And then they do movies that
34:59
they've been in with, like with different actors, like they do
35:03
Dumb and Dumber. And Cameron Diaz was in The Mask
35:05
with Jim Carrey. And I'm like.
35:07
It was. So good.
35:08
So smart before that happens. They are talking about the
35:12
impact of gravity on their bodies and these women are
35:16
allegedly 28. Allegedly, yeah.
35:18
And so they're looking at different parts of their body
35:22
saying like it's so, you know, it's so flabby, like their,
35:25
their boobs aren't as perky. Their arms have like skin that
35:29
hangs down or whatever. And it is always, I mean, it's,
35:34
it's like when they try to make a hot woman look like a nerd or
35:38
be like, oh, she's so, so not pretty.
35:43
It's, it's like that. And also, these women are very
35:49
thin, conventionally so hot. And even if they weren't, it's
35:54
like, come on. Like, I know that it's supposed
35:57
to be reflective of, like, this is the kind of conversation that
36:00
girls really have is that they, like, they stand in front of a
36:03
mirror and poke at different parts of their body and talk
36:05
about how being getting older is so hard.
36:07
Yeah. But I didn't need to see it.
36:12
OK, I feel mixed on this one. Tell me more.
36:14
So I I was like, this is one of the first scenes we're
36:17
encountering that could be, could be considered not aging.
36:22
Well, yeah. But I also do think that women
36:25
have those conversations pretty often, which we shouldn't have
36:29
to. It sucks, you know?
36:31
Right. But women like of all creeds,
36:33
backgrounds and looks. I agree.
36:35
It was like, it was kind of like the Barbie scene where it's
36:39
like, you know, this like this idea of like the perfect
36:43
aesthetic woman, but also I think it reflects that like even
36:47
those women are conditioned to tear themselves down.
36:52
And I don't, I don't really like dig spotlighting it in movies,
36:57
but it, and it could be because like I'm 36 right now.
37:00
And so I'm like, these conversations are being had with
37:02
people and I, I don't know, I, I didn't, I didn't want women as
37:09
hot as them to have the conversations they were having
37:12
where they're, but I also was like, this feels like an honest
37:17
conversation between women because we're not right.
37:20
We're not out of the woods of doing that and being
37:22
self-conscious about aging or how we look physically and
37:26
everything. So I I was like, I don't, I
37:30
don't want all the time and attention spent on it.
37:32
But it also felt authentic to what?
37:34
Yeah, sometimes girlies do talk about, you know.
37:37
Yeah. I just think that, like,
37:40
spotlighting it, normalizing it, yeah, is a bummer because like,
37:45
the more time that women spend talking about their bodies, the
37:50
less time they talk about anything else.
37:53
Yeah, no, totally. Like of of use to themselves in
37:57
the world. Yeah.
37:58
You know, so to me it felt like mostly an eye roll cuz it's
38:03
like, OK girl. Like, yeah, first of all, you're
38:06
28. You're not geriatric.
38:08
You're you're 28. But the standard of like, oh, 22
38:15
year olds are, yeah, the class of hot, Yeah.
38:19
And 28 is when you start to expire I mean.
38:21
You're an old it's. Kind of, it's kind of a funny
38:24
commentary. Like on the one hand, I'm sort
38:25
of like, well, maybe it's the irony that's funny.
38:28
Yeah. Yeah.
38:29
But. But yeah, I don't know.
38:33
I think that maybe it could have been interesting if like the
38:37
woman who owns the shop and is working at the shop, who's like
38:41
probably in her 70s, came in and like, I don't know, said
38:46
something was like, you guys are the hottest you ever been, Like
38:49
shut up and. Go get them.
38:52
You know what I mean? Like.
38:53
Fucked. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:55
I hear you on that. Yeah, but what can you do?
39:02
Can't be, can't be. Perfect.
39:03
I also do wish that they, and this might just be my own self
39:06
absorbed lens, but I wish, and I thought for a little bit at the
39:11
beginning of the movie that they were supposed to be in their
39:15
30s. I know that that's naive of us
39:17
though, because it was 2002 and like that was a touch too far to
39:21
have a single woman in her early to mid 30s.
39:24
Like there was no way they were going to.
39:26
But I really felt like it had that tone to it.
39:29
It did because they were established in their careers,
39:31
they were established in their friendships.
39:33
They were, they were obviously like, you know, very experienced
39:38
in the world of dating. They knew kind of what they
39:41
wanted. They knew how to play the game,
39:43
even though they were tired of it.
39:45
It just felt like they were in a place of self assurance that
39:49
read like. Three, yeah.
39:52
I mean, that was my favorite part about the movie was their
39:54
sexual appetites. Like I loved when Cameron Diaz
39:58
like had a dream about him going down on her, which I never got
40:02
to see on TNT or TBS. I mean, it's like what this is
40:05
so like. A vital part of the movie
40:08
because that is what prompts her to have Regret Squad about not
40:15
going to that hotel room. Honestly perfection.
40:18
She's like I could have gotten great head.
40:20
I am going to follow this man to Norcal and show up in an
40:25
unhinged outfit to his brother's wedding.
40:28
Really his wedding. Like we need more movies that
40:31
are about women. Just being like that was the
40:32
best sex or non sex sex dream I've ever had.
40:35
I'll do anything. I'll do anything.
40:37
I'll drive across. I'll drive across the state with
40:39
my. I'm ready.
40:41
Yeah. Yeah.
40:43
OK. What was up with the slow dance
40:47
at the club? OK.
40:48
So later in the movie, when she's gone back, she thinks that
40:53
the man of her dreams, the one that got away, got married, and
40:58
she's having a reckoning with herself.
41:00
Like, maybe I should give other men a chance.
41:03
Like, maybe I shouldn't give them fake phone numbers, blah,
41:05
blah, blah. They're they're all dancing in
41:09
the club and then all of a sudden, like a middle school
41:11
dance. Yeah, you got it Bad by Usher
41:14
starts playing and everyone starts slow dancing.
41:17
Did that happen at the club? Yes.
41:20
Oh God, yeah, sorry. That's awful.
41:23
We have a little bit of an age gap, so I will tell you it was a
41:29
dramatic part. The cinematography changed, the
41:33
videography changed notably in the movie, but it also did
41:37
reflect dark nights of the soul where you have been at the club
41:41
and like you have the contrast of nights where you are out with
41:44
your girls, you are Eiffel towering each other 'cause
41:47
that's the most fun, you know? And that was the beginning
41:50
scene. Like they are just living,
41:52
loving and laughing. And then towards the end, when
41:55
we're in that chapter of growth, you know, she just the the music
42:00
slows down, the filming gets blurry and like the still frames
42:05
slow and but I have absolutely been there.
42:09
You're a little bit cross faded and you're like, what is like,
42:14
what is the point? And what are what about all
42:16
these shallow connections that I've like chased to date?
42:19
And now I want something more, but I don't know if I'll get it
42:22
like it was. Right.
42:24
That happens in the club. Yeah, and that happens when the
42:27
slow song starts in the club. I well, for me, when I hear
42:32
Usher, it's hard to dance slowly, but that one you've got
42:35
it bad is it is inherently a slow song.
42:39
And my experience of being out at clubs dancing when you're a
42:44
little fucked up and cross faded and sad and being like an emo
42:48
girly is that you're like, you slow down and then you're like
42:52
twerking on someone and then you're like crying and you're
42:55
like, what's it? You know, a person contains
42:57
multitudes, especially in that moment.
42:59
So that actually did feel like an honest reflection of the
43:03
times. Yeah.
43:05
I feel like an elder on a couch talking about.
43:08
And thank you for. That.
43:09
Club Clerb. So much for that I really
43:12
appreciate. It just needed an even
43:14
perspective about that scene. Definitely.
43:16
Thank you so much. For it was.
43:17
Weird lived experience. I'm brave.
43:20
But I just, it was such a weird song choice because you got it
43:24
bad. It made sense for the next scene
43:28
because the song continues to play through the next scene and
43:30
it's like, yeah, you do got it bad.
43:32
Like she's got it bad. The song makes sense in the
43:35
club. It's a breakup song and
43:38
everyone's treating it like a regular slow jam.
43:41
And I'm like, this is not a sexy song, This is a breakup song.
43:45
This is a sad song. Oh, you're oh, OK, we're saying
43:49
the same thing then you were saying.
43:51
You're saying they were dancing too slowly and not sad enough?
43:55
No, I'm saying that in the club, why would the DJ play?
44:01
You got it bad. With the intention.
44:04
Of getting people together for a slow dance.
44:07
No, I concede that point too. You know what I mean?
44:09
And that is? The DJ personal choice and that
44:12
it's been made before. I've experienced it, but it's
44:15
rare and it wasn't the right choice.
44:17
Yeah, it. Was not the right choice for
44:19
this film. OK, I thought you were pining on
44:21
her interior landscape and her reaction to.
44:24
It I was really glad that you took it that way because I like
44:29
I really think that was important that we that we got to
44:32
the point of like her turning point of being like, what does
44:37
it all mean? Yeah, what?
44:38
What is this all? For however, I also want to say
44:43
I liked the moment where she and Christina Applegate slash Ricci,
44:47
whose character, whose character just name is Courtney.
44:50
Thank you, I just couldn't remember.
44:52
So when they were talking and it was just this, like, quiet,
44:55
honest moment, Are you tired of the game?
44:57
And she's like, yeah, maybe I'm tired of the game.
45:00
But then only three weeks later, Christina Applegate was like,
45:04
bagged a fantastic guy. Yeah, he seems sweet.
45:06
And I, I did want to write a letter to 2002 to be like, it's
45:11
not that simple. You can be tired of the game,
45:14
and it's not just a three-week turn around to find a solid
45:17
person. There was.
45:18
It was very aspirational to show someone who's simply tired of
45:23
the game and therefore like it is just within her control that
45:28
she can quit the game and with no time wasted.
45:35
Call in the one you might say. I was like, that's the part that
45:38
didn't age well for me, yeah. That that and you took that.
45:41
Personally, it's not keeping up with the times.
45:42
No, I really did, yeah. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
45:44
That was tough. Yeah, Yeah, that was tough.
45:48
OK. So we've talked about the female
45:51
pleasure. We've talked about the men being
45:54
buffoons. We've talked about the
45:57
raunchiness of it. I mean, you and I both are no
46:01
strangers to Rauch and we honest, we were actually talking
46:06
about that yesterday, before we even.
46:08
Yeah, we hang out like on the side.
46:10
We also we are actually like friends on the side.
46:13
Don't worry about outside of this for.
46:14
Cheating on the pod? Yeah, we do have conversations.
46:17
We don't record. And I just wonder, like, do you
46:23
think that the Rauch is something that's like essential
46:26
to you and why this movie resonates with you so much?
46:30
Yeah, I do. And I think that's also why I
46:33
wish I had seen this movie in its entirety when I was younger
46:36
because I do feel like my my version of reverence, like the
46:41
way I show up in the world to Jesus and to whatever faith I've
46:45
decided at the time is to be irreverent, is to be, you know,
46:49
making my friends giggle, maybe doing a little acid, being very
46:53
crude and lewd. And yeah, I really loved that
46:57
about this movie. Yeah.
46:59
Yeah, I think that I feel mostly positive about it.
47:04
Mostly I was like, yes, this rocks Like I can, I can really
47:08
lean into some sophomore humor. And I think it's also because,
47:12
like, this movie was made for me and not just for, like, boy.
47:18
Yeah, totally. But at the same time, there is
47:21
this part of me that's like, is this a little bit too lean in?
47:24
Is it a little bit too like, well, if you can't beat them,
47:27
join them. Like if you if you can't, if you
47:30
can't get them to stop making jokes about your pussy, then go
47:34
ahead and make the jokes yourself.
47:36
Get ahead of it like. Is it?
47:37
Is it too much like? Oh, well, women can be
47:40
chauvinist too, Isn't that? Isn't that progress?
47:46
I don't know. But I think that because they
47:48
weren't the butt of their own jokes, that was helpful.
47:55
And I don't think that the ranch was inherently, like,
47:59
misogynistic, like, like the fact that Courtney got sprayed
48:04
across the room with toilet water.
48:06
I mean, sure, it was not like, oh, wow.
48:09
And it's so funny because she's a woman.
48:12
Right. Yeah, yeah.
48:13
There was like physicality and ham that wasn't only sexualized,
48:17
like the maggot meal that went flying and then flew back into
48:20
the car, but I did. Yeah.
48:22
The crudeness. Well, I also think part of the
48:25
reason I was really comfortable with it is because she had, I
48:32
think the whole movie goes back to her having a sex dream where
48:34
he's going down. Yeah.
48:36
Like, because it was. It just was.
48:39
It was about them and what they wanted, you know?
48:41
And like that, that dream was both, like, funny and hammy, but
48:45
it wasn't it. It had nothing to do with, like,
48:49
her down there. Like, it wasn't crude in a way
48:53
that picked apart, like her desires or her body.
48:58
And so I felt like it was in a category of being like, men can
49:03
be idiots and we can still want things from them, and sometimes
49:07
they can be way better than idiots.
49:09
And we're into it, you know? Right.
49:11
Like when when someone Blair's character is like, but I think
49:15
he's dumb and they're like so. So, Oh my God, what happened to
49:19
me last week? And I did.
49:24
I did. Yeah.
49:24
I kind of see what you're saying.
49:26
It's like what, like the the laundromat scene where she
49:28
brings in the dress that stained, which is like that that
49:33
is it's a little much, but also like women have had that
49:37
experience. And I did think it was hilarious
49:39
that, like, father Finn came in and.
49:41
Oh my God, the way that they that was so Monty Python the way
49:45
that it was like it was like she tried to sneak out.
49:48
They brought in an entire field trip of school children.
49:52
They brought in the priest. Everyone's asking about her mom
49:55
that and and then Oh my God. And then the the dry cleaner,
50:00
like licking it off the dress. Oh my God.
50:02
Also, in what world for any stain would you do?
50:05
That don't do that you. Don't test it that way.
50:08
They did have so many great characters.
50:10
I like the the blowjob scene. I was curious about the
50:14
costuming because it seemed like it was filmed on Halloween like.
50:18
Yes. You had a nurse wearing a
50:20
stethoscope and like a mini dress.
50:22
You had you had like the YMCA lineup of policemen gonna.
50:27
Say, it seemed to me like, did we just did the strip club get
50:32
let out and we all came here? And all 100 of them were that
50:36
like there were hundreds of people there.
50:38
So funny, I do get that it's the.
50:40
Movie. So Monty Python also, I didn't
50:43
realize, but when when the release happened, when the
50:46
freedom from the trenches, a lot of people like there were the
50:51
two guys in pleather the Kinks who kissed and San Francisco's
50:55
iconic for that. Yeah, we love it.
50:57
And then there was a seemingly Orthodox Jewish person and a,
51:01
yeah, Palestinian person hugging.
51:03
And I was like, Oh, my God, you know, yeah.
51:06
Didn't expect that to happen in the sweetest thing.
51:09
Yeah. They said, yeah, we're we're
51:13
crossing these bridges. Yeah, But that, that scene,
51:15
everyone's fit was straight out of a Spirit Halloween store.
51:19
It was incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:21
I loved it. Yeah.
51:24
Yeah, I thought that that was that was so camp.
51:27
It was so funny. Everyone's singing along.
51:30
Oh I loved. It it was amazing.
51:32
Everyone, everyone in town showed up there.
51:35
There's one thing in that scene that really kind of disturbed me
51:41
and I don't know, is it the whole scene?
51:44
Honestly, no. And I think that it's hard to
51:49
say whether or not it was intentional.
51:51
It probably wasn't, but in the context of the early 2000s, that
51:55
was really at a time when like the rise of hardcore porn was
52:01
problem and when she is stuck with a penis in her mouth.
52:07
Sure. And we see her.
52:09
We see her only from like we only see her eyes.
52:11
Like we see we don't see the mouth.
52:13
Yeah, I guess she actually when filming that they had her with a
52:17
banana in her mouth. But she has really bad TMJ.
52:19
So she said it was like super painful.
52:21
Yeah, I know anywhere. Poor thing.
52:23
So wait. Was that just so that it was
52:27
authentic, they put a banana in her mouth?
52:29
I mean I think so that like when?
52:31
She she would look as if she. And when she was like singing,
52:34
yeah, remember when she, like is trying to like speak and sing?
52:37
She like, needed something in her mouth.
52:39
So Banana we. Do learn with bananas, Yeah,
52:41
that's what. They say so.
52:44
So instead of, I mean, OK, so in that situation, of course a
52:48
person would be crying. Yes, because how stressful, how
52:52
embarrassing, how scary. You think you're about to go
52:54
into surgery. Yeah, right.
52:57
And then you're probably going to have to face your your
52:59
priest, your elementary school, your everybody.
53:03
But when there was like, it was just like a close up of her
53:06
face. She clearly has like a penis
53:08
stuck in her mouth and there's like tears.
53:11
It really was kind of like evocative of this, like
53:15
direction of where pornography was going at the time and like
53:18
the images that people were becoming like used to seeing and
53:24
the way in which like then people, I don't know, started to
53:28
like treat sex and sexuality in mainstream culture, mainstream
53:33
films. So that just felt like, I don't
53:37
know, I didn't like that there were tears.
53:42
I know that that's like, I know that I'm like bringing it to
53:44
kind of a dark place, but it just in the context of the time
53:47
especially, it just was a little bit chilling.
53:51
We'll also like if we didn't live in a patriarchal society,
53:57
then it it would be fine to be like, yeah, I want to be choking
54:00
down on a Dick and crying, sorry, you know, but the problem
54:04
is that we do and it it's not, it's not uncomplicated.
54:10
And like some people do want that.
54:12
Some people do want that like even a level of kink where stuff
54:16
like that is happening. That's great.
54:18
Go with God, you know, but because it has been so violent
54:23
to arrive at a place of safety of like, these are my sexual
54:26
desires. This is what I want to happen,
54:28
right. Yeah.
54:28
You see a woman who's crying with a Dick in her mouth and
54:31
you're like, oh man. Oh, do we want to popularize
54:33
this? Like, yeah, no, I mean also,
54:37
though, I think if they're if you were like physically kind of
54:41
suffocating a little bit, your tear ducts are gonna you're
54:44
gonna be crying, of course, yeah.
54:46
But yeah, I I see what you mean. It was a little bit of evocative
54:49
of the times we were heading in that maybe didn't turn out so
54:53
great for us, you know? Yeah.
54:56
Yeah. So that's really like no fault
54:59
to the film makers. That's no fault to like that
55:02
direction. Or that decision.
55:05
It just. It's like a little jarring to
55:08
see. Yeah, yeah, cuz you're like, I'm
55:10
worried about her. And in this case we should be
55:12
like that. This is not comfortable what
55:15
she's going through. And she got there by trying to
55:19
make him feel good, you know? Yeah.
55:21
That sounded like I was victim blaming.
55:22
Oh, my God. And.
55:23
You know what is so I love they they first start singing relax.
55:28
Oh my God, She's gonna get hard, hard.
55:30
And she's like, when you wanna come and then she's like, Oh my
55:32
God, sorry. Like Christine Applegate slash
55:34
Ritchie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
55:36
He's like redirect different. He's like, I'm getting hard,
55:38
yeah. So I'm relaxed.
55:40
And then Armageddon, what a good choice.
55:42
Instead. Incredible.
55:44
I was glad that it it turned to silly and it turned I mean, the
55:49
whole thing was silly, but like, the moment of panic was so
55:52
short. Yeah, right.
55:54
And the moment of like, you know, relief and.
55:57
Hope, yes, yeah, yeah. So much more.
56:00
For all the better for. It so much more hope than there
56:02
was despair in that, in that story.
56:05
Yeah. Is there anything else that you
56:08
feel like we didn't cover today that we need to discuss about
56:13
the sweetest thing? I mean, usually when I take
56:15
notes, I'm, I'm, I'm reading them carefully.
56:19
I'm, I'm like, we have to talk about every little thing.
56:20
But I was just enjoying it so much last night that like, I
56:24
think we did cover most of it. I didn't, you know, I didn't
56:27
love that Peter lied about his wedding.
56:29
And that's OK. It's movie.
56:31
We needed to have the plot. We needed them to come in on the
56:33
wrong one. I also it was kind of nice to
56:39
not see the challenges of long term monogamy and only get to
56:45
chase this crush with a girly pal.
56:47
That that made the movie fun and light.
56:49
And I highly recommend that before, you know, you demystify
56:54
someone. So yeah, that was another part
56:56
of it. Do you like that that they ended
56:58
up together at the end? I did, yeah.
57:01
Because also I really just, I liked their dialogue.
57:04
I liked their chemistry. I didn't like the end dialogue
57:08
nearly as much as them meeting in in the curb.
57:12
But yeah, it just felt like a conversation you would have when
57:15
you're like riffing and flirting with someone.
57:17
And of course, like, that does not, that's not the basis or
57:20
foundation for a whole relationship and marriage, which
57:23
they show that they have. I was like, wow, we've really
57:27
escalated through this. But yeah, I, I, I liked them for
57:32
each other in the few 30 seconds of interactions they had.
57:36
Sure. But more so, I liked Christina
57:38
Applegate and Cameron Diaz and some of their being together.
57:41
Yeah. Yeah.
57:43
And do you need to bleep out some of the terribly crude
57:46
things I said on this before we go?
57:48
You know what? That's such a good question.
57:50
And like, probably I wanted to know that we, I wanted to, we
57:52
know that I'm comfortable with censorship.
57:55
Thank you so much for saying that.
57:57
Thank you for your consent to censor.
57:59
Probably no. I think as long as we've got the
58:01
explicit rating on here, OK, we may need to limit to audiences
58:07
18 and up on yeah. I'm sorry, I do have that effect
58:11
on podcast. Look.
58:12
I mean, look, we're talking about the sweetest thing, OK?
58:17
Yeah, this is the. Source material like I really,
58:19
Yeah, we're going off the momentum in the spirit of the
58:22
movie itself. You know what I'm going to do is
58:24
I'm going to figure out if the Penis Song musical on YouTube.
58:29
If that is restricted to ages 18 and up, then I will restrict
58:34
this to ages 18 and up. I think that's a good litmus,
58:36
yeah. You know, yeah, if they're
58:38
singing about Dicks, can't we be talking about them?
58:40
Can't we just talk about them? Yeah.
58:42
Do I have to be singing in order for it to be OK?
58:45
It would be best if I did not in order to talk about that I.
58:49
Cannot sing, Michelle, anything that you want to leave the
58:53
listeners with today. Oh gosh, stay in Denver.
58:59
Stay. Stay in Denver.
59:01
Stay. But don't complain about the
59:02
traffic. You guys are fine.
59:03
It's totally fine. Really.
59:05
I don't want to hear it. Yeah, no, I'm just so happy to
59:07
see you. And yeah, women, if you're out
59:10
there and you want to go get laid, I think you should.
59:14
And I think you should have a good friend.
59:16
It makes it more fun. It's.
59:17
Way more fun when you're when you're out with your friends.
59:20
Yeah, yeah, girly pops. Yeah.
59:22
Girly pops, girls, gays and nays.
59:24
Thank you so much for listening. Men, if you're listening, Met
59:27
sis. Straight men, thank you for
59:30
being here. I hope that you learned
59:31
something today. I'm sorry about everything I
59:33
said. And sorry, a little, a little
59:37
sorry a little overall not but a little bit.
59:42
Thank you for being here is what I'll say.
59:44
Yes, for sure. But thank you more to the girls,
59:47
gays and nays. Love you all so much.
59:50
Michelle, I love you. Thank you for being here
59:53
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59:55
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