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Cow poked Coyle poked. That's the name of the episode cow or cow cow
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four eight. Uh, Free Guys before the Game. It's the recap of
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this thing down man. Textual healing coming up a little bit later. Spreads
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on Stats coming up, plus whatever else we get ourselves into. West Virginia
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loses to Oklahoma State forty eight to thirty four, back and forth game that
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you know, kind of had a basketball feel to it, and then oftentimes
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lead in basketball, we talk about lead. It changes. You normally don't
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do that in football, and maybe happens once, maybe twice in the game,
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but this thing was like bouncing. This thing went three nothing, ten,
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nothing, ten, seven, ten, ten, thirteen, ten.
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Then West Virginia leads seventeen thirteen, Oklahoma State leads twenty seventeen. West Virginia
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leads twenty four to twenty. Oklahoma State leads twenty seven to twenty four.
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West Virginia comes back and ties it twenty seven, and then it all hit
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the wall thirty four, twenty seven, forty one, twenty seven, forty
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one, thirty four, forty eight, thirty four final score, and West
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Virginia loses at home for the first time. The record is four and three,
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and it is two and two in conference play, and we're gonna pull
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all of the pieces apart, so we don't talk amongst ourselves before we start
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recording. So I don't know what these guys are thinking or what they're going
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to say, which is always kind of like you as the listener. I'm
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also interested and seeing with these dudes are going to say. So we'll start
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off with the gentleman from the Eastern Panhandle wearing his Kansas State Lilac lavender shirt.
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I guess it's lavender. Kansas State is celebrating the boy did they wood
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sentence? Did the case? States? Just absolutely? Anyway, that's that's
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that's their deal. We got our own deal, all right, hop What
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do you got? A couple of things? One is that maybe that the
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fans aren't going to want to hear that there is a lot of parody in
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this league. And yesterday Houston, it takes on Texas and Houston comes within
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a bad call on a spot late in that game and down the ten yard
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line to probably tying up the game. You see F and Oklahoma, you
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see f comes within a two point conversion of tie, of tying up the
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game and going into probably going into overtime. So again, that's illustrative of
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just a lot of parody that we see week to weekend. West Virginia with
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the competitive nature of this league, and West Virginia just is not good enough
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to make the kind of mistakes that it's made over the last two games and
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come away with wins. And I know spreads on Stat's gonna have a lot
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more on that, but I think I think that's that's number one. The
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second thing is the five of the five best players on the field yesterday.
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I'm not saying overall, but the five best players on the field yesterday,
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four of them played for Oklaimba State, Gordon and Presley and Daniels and Martin
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on the defensive side, and then I would put Garrett Green in there,
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so the four and Gret Green was making plays and I think we'll get to
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that fourth and fourth and two where he was trying to make a play and
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probably made the bad call there. I mean, probably didn't make the best
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decision. But so that the best players for ok Clama State made plays and
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that was a huge difference in the game, along with West Virginia's mistakes.
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Thank you Center. So a bunch of stuff to get into. Specifically,
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I think the overarching theme you walk away with is similar to what we said
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following the Houston game. Just too many mistakes and your defense couldn't hold up
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when you needed it too. That's an offensive performance that should get you a
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win. In fact, it's the first time you've lost under Neil Brown when
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rushing for two hundred or more yards. You were thirteen and oh heading into
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the game overall ten and zero under Brown. When you rush for two hundred
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and more yards, So just take that specific piece. Should have had to
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win right there. So you gave that back. Just too many mistakes,
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and again for the second straight week, a catastrophic mistake at just a horrible
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time. The Jalen Anderson not catch that turns into an interception when you're about
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to seize control of that game. Flip that game, and yes, you
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got back in it against Houston, but couldn't close this one. You're up
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four, you're about to get the ball back fourth quarter, right, you
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were feeling good about the offense. The offense had figured out what it was
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doing and adjusted to Oklahoma States adjustments. But well, I'll get to in
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a little bit. And you have the inexplicable running into the kicker. And
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I know there was a push, and I know Andrew Wilson lamp was going
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full speed, but man, you and I'm not plowing new ground here.
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You just simply can't do that. That a just critical mistake at a juncture
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in which you didn't need it, where maybe you don't end up winning that
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game, maybe Gordon was going to be too much anyway, but you would
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have liked where you were at in that particular situation late in that game.
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So just too many critical mistakes and a defense that just couldn't hold up and
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gave up what was a near historic rushing performance to an opponent almost getting the
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single game high in the history of this program came within nine yards of that.
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So just I understand the frustration. I understand the frustration internally and externally.
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It's a game you felt you could win at home, and you just
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didn't do enough to get it done in two of the three phases. And
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sometimes the mistakes don't hurt you as much if you're lucky. But three turnovers
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tony and seventeen points off turnovers, and West Virginia unable to score any points
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off of the two that Oklahoma State gave them, including taking the ball over
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just outside of the thirty yard line after they're muffed punt. Yeah, so
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you lose the turnover battle seventeen zip. You give them seventeen of their points
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as a result of that. The other one too. If you're looking,
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I've said this a bunch on this program. If you're watching throughout the game,
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a telltale sign continues to be field positioned. West Virginia was down significantly
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in field position for a lot of that game, lost it by ten yards.
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That's almost an automatic loss. And I say this all the time.
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I don't have the exact number. I forget what the exact numbers. It's
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like ninety five percent of the time you win the game if you're plus ten
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or more in field position, Westernias minus ten. There were just a lot
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of indicators there. Yeah, just extremely disappointing. So you just cannot find
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the synchronicity that you need in all three facets of the game. One shows
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up, one doesn't. You can't have that. To your point, West
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Virginia is simply not good enough to win games when it doesn't play clean football.
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And in the last two games they have not played clean football, and
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as a result, you lose. To your point, you're exactly right.
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I mean the UCF performance you made you go like wow, and we see
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that around the league, Houston like it stunned me that they were even sniffing
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around Texas and yet there they were with an opportunity to tie the game very
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late, with just a minute and change to go. And so there are
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opportunities, but you have to play cleanly, which it did to win those
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games earlier this season against pitt against Texas Tech, and against TCU, and
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now you see what happens when you don't. That's one aspect of it.
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Also of extreme disappointment is the regression of the defense. This was a group
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that held its own against a really good offensive line and two really good running
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backs against Penn State, and you said, you know what, Okay,
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not too bad, and then they come in here and did a great job
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against pitt TCU. Bailey doesn't really get off Texas Tech. Taj Brooks.
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You know, you do a good job, and then all of a sudden,
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you know, Houston runs the ball against you. And then you come
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back here and Ali Gordon, you know, just goes absolutely beast mode,
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and you know, he becomes Samaje p RN for Oklahoma who ran for you
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know, well over two hundred yards. And while that's happening, your offense
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finally is showing some sense of rhythm and the ability to move the ball.
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So I think that leads to all of our frustration where you just say,
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can you just put the whole thing here together? Tony the Oli Gordon's who
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is a good back. I mean, there's no question talked about him all
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week, man. I mean, he is an outstanding running back, and
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so the question to Neil Brown after the game was, well, do you
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think your defense was tired? And Brown, to his credit, I said,
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I'm not. That's not an excuse. He said, was Ali go
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and tired ball twenty nine times, took a lot of punishment. He wasn't
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tired. He wasn't tired. He ran one hundred and fifty four. He
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had one hundred and fifty yards in the fourth quarter, in the fourth quarter,
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so Brown was not going to make that well, the defense was tired.
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Not going to make that an excuse. It's inexcusable. It's inexcusable.
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There are no excuses for that. And it also in addition against stateon the
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obvious here, but it also can't be that easy with the game on the
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line. That's the other part of that. It's not just that he went
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for two to eighty, which is bad enough. It's not just that he
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went for one to fifty. And second, you were still hanging around that
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game with a chance to make them uncomfortable and he just rips off two big
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runs at the end of that game with nobody even hitting him. Nobody even
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hit him with the game on the line. I think that's more of the
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concern moving forward here, and guys, hopped to your point of these these
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games in this league, there's gonna be a lot of coin flip games,
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as we've talked about, not a surprise. That's what's shaping up to be
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the case. And West Virginia had put itself in such good position to to
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really make some noise in this league by going plus two and in terms of
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wins that you didn't think they'd get based on the line. Right, two
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significant underdogs to TCU in Texas Tech, and you want them both. But
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now the last two you've given back to that admittedly were coin flip games two
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and a half, three point favorite, they're at home on Saturday. You
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gave those backs, and now you fall to one in two because you've got
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to win over pit. I know it's not in the league, but you
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got one and two in those coin flip games. That's the part where jumping
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the other shame of that yesterday is it was shaping up to be a really
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fun game. You mentioned the back and forth nature of it, Tony,
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and so during our coverage, one of the things I enjoy about it is
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having Steve Dunlapp in there to watch and see different things that most people don't
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pick up. And he was raving about Oklahoma State's defense at the beginning Tony
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of how they broke their tendency from a three man front almost exclusively to going
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to a four man front. And you notice that West Virginia struggled those first
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couple of offensive possessions right, didn't look like there was any room available.
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They were getting pressure on Garrett led to one of the interceptions, and then
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after about the second drive, Steve said the other he goes, oh,
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this is really good Neil Brown. This is really good by Neil Brown.
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The adjustment from West Virginia's staff and Neil Brown to a lot of unbalanced and
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moving both tackles over on the side and running the I mean, just absolutely
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great adjustments offensively for West Virginia to counter what Oklahoma State did. So that
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was a really fun game within the game that was happening in West Virginia responded
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tremendously well. I mean, Dunlap couldn't stop raving about the adjustments offensively that
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West Virginia made to what were very good adjustments from Oklahoma State. So it
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was really fun and it was shaping up to be that way all the way
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down the stretch there until Gordon went and that's late. Yeah, So you
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have the unbalanced line which put the two high school teammates right next to each
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other. Right, you had Mylam and Nest are playing next to each other,
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and West Virginia went so heavy unbalanced. They could have rented out,
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they could have leased the space on the other side of the field because they
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weren't putting any receivers over there, and again to counteract what those guys we're
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doing. So you're right, the game inside the game was really really interesting.
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All right, let's jump in here. What are the numbers? What
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you started to break down the numbers. No, because this was one of
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those I've said this a bunch. It's one of those numbers just basically back
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up what you saw in the game. There wasn't. This isn't one of
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those games where you need to uncover the hidden stat that says there's what caused
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it. I mean, Olie Gordon caused it. That's why you lost.
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But there's some there's some context around this. So let's begin with how we
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usually do on these wrap ups, by going back and looking at what we
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talked about Thursday and seeign if it came to fruition. One of the keys
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we talked about on Thursday was West Virginia's need and inability against Houston to get
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teams into passing downs, and we talked about this because pressure is the key
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to this West Virginia defense, and now as you're starting to get more data
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points, you can see that that's particularly true. In West Virginia's four game
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winning Street Hop Hop they got to the quarterback and we kept commenting on that
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that they were hitting the quarterback, pressure in the quarterback, all over the
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quarterback, and then, oh my gosh, the defensive backs are playing really
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well. Why is that because the quarterback was under pressure the whole time.
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That helps that back In quarterbacks at this level, you let them stand back
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there and have time to throw that you're in trouble. They're going to each
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you apart. So pressuring the quarterback has been critical to this West Virginia defense
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and being able to get teams into passing downs when you can bring that pressure
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and know that that's what's coming, that has helped West Virginia. Trede Lathan
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being out continues to be a problem, guys. I mean, one of
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your best pass rushers not being there has been an issue. But here's where
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the no pressures against Oklahoma State came and it was two areas. The biggest
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is Ali Gordon. We've talked about much like last week against Houston, you
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just couldn't stop the run. Houston averaged eight point one yards per rush in
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the second half last week, kept them out of passing downs. Right,
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able to do you weren't sure what they were doing second and short, you're
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in good shape. Oklahoma State averaged ten yards per carry in the second half.
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Just I mean, you can't do that. As we mentioned earlier,
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Gordon had one hundred and fifty yards just in the fourth quarter. Here's the
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other part of that. Going into the game, Oklahoma State had been very
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good on first down, averaging six and a half yards per play. Yesterday,
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West or excuse me, Oklahoma State averaged seven yards per play on first
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down. So you talk about staying out of standard passing downs. Although Oklahoma
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State came in as a top twenty team throwing it on second down? How
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many times and this isn't said anything, how many times did I say that
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second out, Oklahoma State's going to pass and they passed right, So you
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actually, in non passing downs knew they were going to throw it on second
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down. I haven't seen the numbers on how many second down passes I had,
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but must have said it fifteen times during the game before the play.
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Here comes a pass on second out from Oklahoma State, and there was a
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pass, But that leads to the second part of West Virginia's inability to get
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pressure. What was it? Well, Oklahoma State does a good job of
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getting it out of Bowman's hands quickly. Right, He's one of those quicker,
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quicker quarterbacks in terms of getting it out fast in terms of time holding
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the ball. And here's the other part. Last night, yes afternoon,
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Bowman averages five point eight yards per attempt. That would have been the lowest
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yards per attempt number in the Big Twelve last year if that had been his
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season mark. So you just couldn't You couldn't get there. A couple times
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you saw it. They flushed him out of the pocket and there were good
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results. You just didn't get home enough on him. So all of that,
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those two components, Gordon running it, Bowman getting the ball out quickly,
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and not throwing any deep passes everything underneath led to West Virginia not having
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Oklahoma State in very many passing downs. Here's the numbers. This continues.
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When West Virginia's won the game, teams have been in passing downs thirty nine
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percercent of the time. In the losses less than twenty six percent of the
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time, including just twenty four percent yesterday against Oklahoma State. Say that again,
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west Virginia was in passing or Oklahoma State was in passing downs yesterday only
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twenty four percent of the time. That's fifteen percent less than what West Virginia
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had averaged in its wins fir its opponent. So I mean again, backs
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up what you saw. You didn't see any pressure. You know that.
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That's why it matters. When West Virginia can't get teams in passing downs and
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get that pressure, they're in trouble. Yesterday just seven total pressures on the
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day, and remember the standards Sunday disclaimer from PFF. Some of those numbers
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changed throughout the week as they get more film study the early results. Seven
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pressures on the day, no quarterback hits, no sacks. And here's the
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concerning part. It's not just Trey Lathan being gone. The early success for
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West Virginia's defense was due to we'd come in here and it took a long
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time to talk about all the guys that were pressuring right. There were multiple
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defensive linemen they were lined back that were coming. There were safeties Berks and
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Floyd that were coming. Last night, not a single pressure recorded from a
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defensive lineman. That's a big telling stat right there. Because you've had multiple
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defensive linemen this year that have been very good getting in that backfield. He
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didn't have any yesterday. And no one has said that Oklahoma State has a
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great offensive line. There were holes there. I think the key to them.
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There were holes along that offensive line, and the numbers have shown that
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they just did a great job of getting rid of it. I mean,
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it wasn't a hard concept. They just executed it flawlessly. Bowman had what
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nearly a seventy percent completion percentage because he was throwing everything underneath. They were
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just getting it out of there. Okay. And so basically, to distill
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what you said, it all comes back to the old school belief this right,
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who runs the ball can win the game. When you say, wait
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a second, West Virginia ran for over two hundred yards, yeah they did,
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but Oklahoma State ran for more. And then the other part of that
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equation is who can stop the run wins and West Virginia again failed miserably did
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not put them into passing situations and as a result of that, they control
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in the whole game. Yeah, and can you get them out of their
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comfort zone of what they do? And Brad, just what you said that
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West Virginia did not that Oklahoma State did what they wanted to do? Correct,
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they dictated, Yeah, they dictated to you. Yeah. So that
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continues to be something to keep an eye on. Can West Virginia find a
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way to get to the quarterback because now for a game and a half they
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have not been able to do that and that led to the downfall yesterday.
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A couple other just interesting numbers on the performance by Garrett Green. He continues
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to evolve and be such a weapon right both legs and feet. I was
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surprised West Virginia didn't note this in their postgame notes, so take this again
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Sunday disclaimer with a grain of salt. I don't know why this wouldn't have
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been noted officially if it was the case, But based on what I saw
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from WU stats dot com, which is usually pretty reliable, Garrett joined some
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elite company in the two hundred yards passing in a game and one hundred yards
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rushing in a game. Near as I can tell based on that website,
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it's only happened three other times, Pat White twice, Rashid once. Wow,
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that's some high cotton right there. That's a good company, right.
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Yeah, it appears again appears to be the only player in West Virginia history
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to run for one hundred and fifteen or more and pass for two forty or
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more. Again, West Virginia did not note this in their release. Would
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have thought they would have that. So we'll have to see if that holds
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true. Bottom line, whether that's sure or not. Really good individual performance
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by Garrett And you know what's interesting about Garrett Green. I mean he's your
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best player. I mean he's the guy who can make plays for you.
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And on that fourth and two and Neil Brown talked about this that Brad,
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the end for Oklahoma State went upfield and didn't crash. So what's the book
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say you're supposed to do? Supposed to hand the ball off? Yeah?
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What you said went, yeah, Yeah, it's supposed to hand the ball
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off because the end went upfield for Oklahoma State didn't crash. If the end
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had crashed in Green should have pulled it out. But the end went up
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field and so in that instance that Green should have handed the ball off.
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He didn't. But you know, Neil Brown sort of has Garrett Green's back
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because he says he's trying to make a play. I mean, he's a
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guy that he's the he's the most effective offensive player and if it was a
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mistake tactically because of what the what the book says you do there, he's
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trying to make a play. So I mean, do you fault a guy
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for trying to make a play. No? No, because I think sometimes
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we also lose track that Garrett is still, as you said, the evolution
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of Garrett Green, He's still in his infancy. I mean has not started
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ten games yet in his career, and so is he the finished product yet?
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No? Can the future look really really bright for him, Yes,
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but unfortunately he's going to go through some learning bumps on the fly. And
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that's what's happening. Here's also what's of concern in my book. Garret Green
24:45
should not be leading the Mountaineers and rushing. Nope, you're right, Garrett
24:49
Green should not be the leading rusher for West Virginia. That's the other therein
24:55
lies the other problem. Justin Johnson was a nice complimentary back on the r
25:00
But no, you're you're right that Green should be your complimentary piece. But
25:03
he again, guys, he's turning into such a weapon. That deep ball
25:07
is so good. He puts it right on the money and his ability with
25:11
his legs. We've seen that time and time again. Credit though, on
25:15
that last pe Let's talk about that last play for a second, and I
25:18
fall on the side of that hobby is okay? Should he get it?
25:22
Okay? Maybe should have given C. J. Donaldson looked like there was
25:23
laying there. Maybe gets the first down kids trying to make a play,
25:26
and he'd been your consistent playmaker all night, right, So put the hands
25:29
the ball in the hands of your best player. Give some credit to Oklahoma
25:33
States Kendall Daniels. We talked about him on Thursday number five. If you
25:36
were watching, he made the play on that last play, got by trailing
25:41
Davis who was on the edge. It looked as if Davis just got turned
25:44
late and maybe he didn't see Daniels crashing kind of behind him off to the
25:48
side, because if Davis could have got that block on Daniels, it looked
25:51
like Green had enough room on the outside to get it. Neither here nor
25:53
there. Credit Daniels from this standpoint. Guys, we talked about him on
25:56
Thursday. He got absolutely torched by Kansas an Tony, we watched some game
26:03
film on Daniels this week and he was just so anxious to get downhill and
26:07
stop the run. The Kansas tight end ran right past him two times on
26:12
two consecutive drives for big touchdown passes. Well, the young man watched some
26:17
film, Tony. He pretty good adjustment by Kendall Daniels. He's a really
26:19
good football player. Talk to people around the league. They love him.
26:22
Really good adjustment. Cole Taylor two catches for eight yards. Daniels was on
26:26
him on that catch early that he just stripped the ball from him. Then
26:30
Daniels with that big play late. There were no real plays down the scene.
26:33
Preston Fox maybe had one catch down the scene. Daniels was in a
26:37
good spot and Neil Brown and company were trying to scheme him out of the
26:41
box. There is one of the things no he heve kept talking about is
26:45
trying to pull him out of the box and away so you had some more
26:48
room to run, which worked right. You ran for two twenty six.
26:51
As I mentioned earlier, that's the formula to get the win. He just
26:55
didn't do enough defensively. But credit Kendall Daniels, a little bit from Oklahoma
26:59
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29:36
Can we celebrate a victory? We've just had to more in the loss
29:38
and digest us. Can we celebrate a victory? Yeah, it's a it's
29:44
a monumental victory. Where you're going here, monumental kerchival like statues should be
29:49
built. The code has been cracked. The code has been cracked. Hashtag
29:56
efforting, hashtag team efforting on the time zone situation, and maybe I don't
30:03
want to pull a Caridian over promise that it's completely solved for the end of
30:07
time. But in the latest release on Saturday, it included Eastern time first,
30:17
first, in proper order, as it should not for every game,
30:19
but for games in the Eastern times that they did miss one and in the
30:22
Cincinnati was in the Eastern time zone. But I know give time zone mapple
30:26
send it over the sea, but progress Eastern time was included. And secondarily,
30:33
the fine folks out at BYU should send a thank you over because maybe
30:37
they don't get full revenue sharing in their first year in the league, but
30:41
by god they got they got time zone sharing a lot sooner than West Virginia
30:45
did. Yeah, so byu, folks, Mountain time zone come on in
30:52
all part of the all part of the club, helping you along as well.
30:55
You didn't have to grind for ten years as we did. The evolution
30:57
of how this happened is this. Obviously, we've been griping complaining about it
31:04
for a couple of years now, and anyone that I could see that had
31:08
I thought some form of juice. I went to and said, like,
31:12
Yo, what is this. You had written communication, you had verbal communications.
31:17
I started it with a writing and then I met with one of the
31:19
guys from the Big twelve and I got ZIP. So you know, I
31:26
get Ren like when I saw and we had very good support on the on
31:30
Twitter right the fan base, the listeners job of attacking every post that had
31:36
Central time zone. They ratiowed him underneath a great job by by all the
31:40
listeners as well. So I brought it up again to Ren and I said,
31:44
dude, I mean this is ridiculous, and he said, yeah,
31:48
that is. He said, let me uh, let me work on that.
31:52
So he calls a guy that had not been brought in at the Big
31:56
twelve office, had not been made aware of this yet, and guy said,
32:00
let me let me take a look at that, let me let me
32:01
see, let me see what I can do. There hadn't hadn't seen it
32:05
up to this point. Yeah, they were like OBLIVI oblivious because the word
32:08
they were oblivious. So all of a sudden, yesterday, the Saturday morning
32:14
tweet comes out from the Big twelve says, here's our game times. Who
32:15
do you think is gonna win the game? And they listed you know,
32:19
West Virginia, Eastern, first, and Central. It's not to Brad's point,
32:23
I don't know if it's going to continue, but I do know the
32:27
name of the guy now who got it done, and I also have his
32:31
email. So tomorrow, which is Monday, when they released the game times
32:36
for this coming couple of weeks, if they handle it. If he doesn't,
32:39
then I am absolutely gonna fire one off to him and say, yo,
32:45
what's the difference between Saturday and Monday? Consistently? Let's go Well,
32:49
kudo's on all your discussions. Credit to Wren. One man with a belief
32:53
needed one man with a bully man. Listen, I mean it's probably close
32:58
to the point. I know they're gonna Mortali don kneeling on the on the
33:00
stadium all. I mean, Ren's not far behind. That's a pretty strong,
33:05
strong out of the gate first year. As ad getting that done.
33:07
Well, Look, if Ren Baker one day goes to another school and I'll
33:09
say, what was accomplishment? Was the w that will be in there?
33:13
Yes, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it gets rent
33:15
a statue as much, maybe a tattoo at this pointestest tattoo, Tony,
33:22
I know that thing was going nowhere. Yeah, we had a lot of
33:23
pressure being applied, No, he did. We were every bit of press
33:27
Virginia on that thing, and it wasn't getting done. Two kinds of people
33:29
in the world, those who want to help you and those who don't.
33:31
Yeah, getting see the people want to help you and get stuff done.
33:35
Now what. I hope it wasn't because the commissioner was here? Was he
33:37
not? I never saw him, but he was supposed to be here.
33:39
Saw some postures here, So I hope it wasn't just the Big twelve providing
33:45
the commissioner cover while he was in the time and now that the Commissioner will
33:49
be back in Texas somewhere tomorrow in the Central time zone, that the Big
33:52
twelve says, I screw it, and now we don't have to worry about
33:53
it. So I hope it wasn't that. So you saw a picture of
33:57
the commissioner, No, Joe Briccatto, I think for a picture. I
34:00
saw a picture of known West Virginians with the commissioner suit on. Oh yeah,
34:06
suit, he's nicely in suit. Well yeah, he always wears really
34:08
good suits. But like, can we I mean, game day, he
34:12
can chill it down a little bit. His choice about to pull over.
34:15
I mean, I have no problem with so suit look good. I'll criticize
34:17
him for his uh, East Coast bias even though he's an East Coast guy.
34:21
But his soon looked really good. Okay, fine, that's fine.
34:22
Probably stoppedt Daniels before they got pressure if he could, if he could have
34:25
you know, Daniels, Peter Malaw Only Bahama, Jack, Victor Heart Schafftman
34:38
Marks, heck you Freeman. They old n row of shirts forsythe I don't
34:46
know the names of any of these Johnston Murphy shoes, col Han shoes,
34:52
Buster Browns Brown. All right, so here's what we're doing on textual healing.
35:00
So again, it's one of those deals where if we read everyone every
35:06
text that we receive, we'd have a telethon, right, it'd be like
35:09
forever. So I want a different route today. Here's what I did using
35:15
technology. There were a series of texts that, in essence, we're saying
35:23
the same thing. And so what I did is I literally took all of
35:29
those texts and put them together and I went to chat gpt OH and I
35:38
said, Okay, I am going to submit to you a series of texts
35:45
that have a general similar theme. I would like you to condense these texts
35:52
into a series of bullet points that in essence give a synopsis of what all
36:00
of these texts are saying. Interesting and it did, and so rather than
36:07
just continuing to say the same thing over and over, I think what we've
36:10
done is we've distilled the general consensus among many into a series of five bullet
36:17
points. Okay, good thinking, fair? Right? Is that fair?
36:22
Otherwise? I just think when you keep saying okay, where we are?
36:24
I said, so here we goes we want to spend some time on these
36:30
five consistent themes based upon listener text and summarized by our friend chat GPT A
36:37
fine job participate in the we hire this chat program. So here we go.
36:40
Number one, the Mountaineers repeated mistakes, including personal fouls and turnovers are
36:52
a source of frustration. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean that's that is.
36:57
I mean, it's no surprise that is one of the number one one complaints.
37:00
And that's one of Neil Brown's number one complaints. I mean, after
37:02
the game, he's sitting in here going for example, the running into your
37:06
own guy on the punter. Attorney says, we practice that three days a
37:10
week, practice it three days a week, and then it happens. But
37:15
it's I'm not making excuses, but I'm saying that that lines up with what
37:20
the coaches say is a point of frustration. And the same statement was made
37:23
about not adding the ball down against Houston at the goal line, again something
37:30
they practiced, but something they did not execute when it happened, or the
37:35
turnover on the ball on the end zone. So here here's the thing,
37:37
guys, when it's but you didn't have those texts during the four game winning
37:40
streak, right, we weren't talking about personal fouls or turnovers or penalties.
37:45
So that's what happens when you lose games. It's going to be because of
37:49
those things. It's going to be because of penalties, and it's going to
37:52
because of turnovers. So that's why that's a huge pop up over the last
37:55
couple of games. There are games you've lost because of those exact reasons.
37:59
Point number two from chat GPT a concern over a lack of discipline within the
38:06
program. I suspect that's on the goes kind of tied in with number one
38:10
of the personal fouls and the turnovers, and also the taking the helmet off,
38:15
you know, those kinds of things which I think that people extrapolate out
38:17
to a lack of discipline. Why would a player do that, et cetera,
38:20
et cetera, would be my guess, Senator, same thing as I
38:23
said number one, that that has been true in the last two games.
38:27
It was not true during the four game winning streak. So is that overall
38:30
in the program or is it popped up over those last couple of games.
38:35
Zero point three Fans general consensus A lack of consistency, no doubt, but
38:42
welcome to college football. Who's consistent? Alabama's not consistent? Penn State.
38:49
I mean, so that's yes, that's obviously a point. Offense was behind
38:53
where the defense was during the four game winning streak. Some of that had
38:58
to do you were mixing and matching quarterbacks. Defense now has suffered some injuries,
39:00
hasn't been able to keep up the last two games, and the offense
39:04
has come along. You said that in the very beginning, you haven't been
39:06
able to meld those two together. So lack of consistency. Sure, that's
39:09
why you've lost a couple of games here, but that's also college football.
39:13
That's what everybody's searching for. And by the way, we'll talk about that
39:15
during basketball season two. We're going to come in here at some point and
39:19
say, they just put it together. That's that's college sports too. Well,
39:22
that's sports. That's sports. I mean, that's that. And again
39:27
this sounds like it's making excuses, but I think it's observationally true. Is
39:30
that I bet that the that those covering Texas and Oklahoma are going, where's
39:35
the consistency? How can you do go down and you know, and not
39:37
be fired against beat Alabama and then struggle with Dana Holgerson's team and let them
39:42
back into it. All right, It's just so, that's so, that's
39:44
that's yes, yes, get that. That's a source of frustration. I
39:46
think that's every fan base across America. The same thing with Oklahoma. Like
39:50
you can say, Oklahoma, how did you win the Red River Rivalry and
39:53
then come a whisker from losing it home to UCF. I'll tell you why.
39:59
Because they looked like they were mailing it in. UCF was flying all
40:01
over the place, I mean, good team speed and just they looked like
40:05
they were playing harder than Oklahoma. Number four. General theme among the Texters
40:13
disappointment about the team's dwindling national relevance and failure to be ranked in the top
40:20
twenty five. I think that's fair too, because the expectation over the years,
40:23
because of the success over the years, the expectation is that you will
40:28
have some national relevance. You don't have to win a national championship, but
40:32
you want to be nationally relevant. You want to be in the discussion.
40:36
And if you're not in the top twenty five, unless you're playing a top
40:38
twenty five team, you are not into discussion. You just aren't moving the
40:42
needle. So that is also a fair observation and a reasonable expectation by the
40:46
fans to be at least relevant, at least relevant nationally. That's where you
40:51
want to get. But that has been the story for this program since it's
40:53
been in the Big Twelve. You finished in the top twenty five to two
40:57
out of eleven seasons. It's not a new development. You've two out of
41:01
eleven seasons since you've joined the Big Twelve, you've not been in the top
41:05
twenty five. So again, absolutely a concern, Absolutely a disappointment from where
41:10
this program has been, but that has been a consistency since this team,
41:15
or since this program has entered the Big Twelve two of eleven. The fifth
41:19
and final point from the summation of the general themes of the Texters number five
41:27
a desire for coaching change to reinvigorate the program and restore its former glory.
41:34
Look, you've lost. You went into the season with a percentage of fans
41:38
wanting a coaching change. I heard from one fan who actually said, I
41:43
hope they lose to pit so you can go ahead and make the change early
41:45
in the season. You've lost a couple of games so that you're back on
41:50
the coaching change, you know effort that's underway. And I get that too,
42:00
and that's the nature of fandom. I would just caution and say,
42:02
just be careful there, be careful of what you wish for, and let's
42:07
see how the rest of the season plays out. I think this. I
42:09
think Neil Brown has earned the last two games really disappointing, but I think
42:15
that he has earned the right to coach out the rest of the season and
42:22
then have Rin Baker do his end of season program evaluation to see where you
42:27
are. I don't know that there's any debate about that. You're certainly not
42:30
in a position where you would think about making a change right now. And
42:32
to your point, Hopy, yeah, you see where the season goes that
42:36
the west Vini has shown enough good things here that you want this thing to
42:38
keep moving forward. But there's also no question it's not a snap your fingers
42:44
and change one person and this thing changes either. I think you've got to
42:46
be careful right you start to go down that road, You've got to find
42:49
out you've got to fix some elements too within the program. You've got to
42:52
do something about that schedule that's part of this. And you've got to make
42:55
sure that the money is coming in, and if it's got to be the
43:00
the Trust, then make sure the trust is out getting its dollars. Because
43:02
the we've talked about this a bunch. You go back through the players that
43:07
have been on this roster but that are no longer on this roster, and
43:09
you see that that changes the makeup of that team in the program significantly.
43:14
So you've got to find a way to retain. Well, what's one of
43:16
the ways you're going to retain Sometimes it hasn't mattered. There's been there's been
43:20
weird circumstances that guys have gone away. That happens all the time. But
43:22
you better get that money short up and find a way to have the pool
43:27
to retain guys and go get players moving forward to the texts as a whole.
43:32
So that that was the general consensus. So we thanks to chat GPT
43:37
for the summation fan of the program. Yeah, so as we get the
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voice will be replaced by the automation folks. A gentleman. As I watched
43:45
Earl Campbell run through around and passed our defense time after Tom, I continually
43:51
thought about the fantastic running attack our beloved Mountaineers were expected to have this year
43:55
with the big, talented and experienced offensive line plus three solid running backs,
44:00
including our own big guy. I couldn't keep my excitement to myself, telling
44:04
everyone who would listen we would dominate games on the ground. Realizing there are
44:07
more issues to fix besides the run game, I have no idea if this
44:12
team can right the ship. Tough day to be a Mountaineer, wherever you
44:16
may be. Signed by John in South Carolina. I see what he did
44:20
there with the Earl Campbell. Yeah, you know his team's a top twenty
44:22
rushing team, ran for two hundred plus yard yesterday, that's normally the formula
44:25
for a win, and did it with a patchwork offensive line. I think
44:29
that's part of it is that you just haven't had your starting offensive line Remac
44:32
being out. It's a massive thing. I've been saying there for three weeks.
44:35
I know people don't want to listen to that. That changes the makeup
44:37
of that line. That's not just one spot. You've had to take Brandon
44:40
Yates, who drilled all offseason at the right guard, move him over to
44:44
left. That is a change in and of itself, So that's mattered.
44:46
You ran enough to win yesterday's game. But as you pointed out, Brad,
44:50
that the xpect I mean, that's a deep running back field. The
44:52
expectation was not that Gary Green would be your leading running back, correct,
44:57
but he was and it was enough to win you the game. So of
45:00
all the things to talk about, it's not the running game right now.
45:02
Quite frankly, it's not even the offense. The offensive game plan was outstanding,
45:06
the adjustments were outstanding, execution for the most part, outside of the
45:08
pick early, but you rebounded for that. That offense did what it needed
45:12
to do each of the last two games to get you wins. That was
45:15
not the issue here. Yeah, Texter, I'm trying to find something positive
45:20
from this team. Maybe it's a rude ju, maybe it's a rejuvenated offense
45:23
that can score points. But what has happened to a defense and special teams
45:28
that was really good against Pitt Tech and TCU. Could it be because of
45:30
better competition that Houston game is a win nine times out of ten. This
45:36
game against the Cowboys lost in the fourth quarter. Please give me some positive
45:40
feedback on how West Virginia can improve and win three more games this season.
45:45
Right now, as I see it, I can't believe this team can win
45:47
against anyone else on the schedule excepts maybe Cincinnati. I'm down in the dump.
45:52
Signed by hot Rod from Woodbridge, Virginia. Remember him. We met
45:57
him in Greenbrier County, had our picture made with him. Yeah you remember
46:00
him, Brad, Yeah, hot Rod A Rod, him and his wife,
46:04
Him and his wife came in from Virginia, drove up. Nice guy,
46:07
had his own podcast there in Virginia. Well, I think the disappointment
46:12
is is expanded by the way these last two games have gone. The Houston
46:17
game obviously, and also you go into the fourth quarter with the lead at
46:22
home, right, Yeah, it was a game. I mean that's so
46:24
that adds to the disappointment. You should you should, You would think you
46:28
can finish and win that game, and you don't. Texter the officiating.
46:32
Come a second, I won't to address hot Rod, oh sure, because
46:37
I get these down the dumps here, but you but you got to look
46:38
through this here. And what do I always say hop about this this business?
46:40
Well, you say it's a week to week business, all right,
46:43
So you can't just immediately pick up the performance and move it forward, good
46:45
or bad. Right, So you've got to look at it. But as
46:47
you look down this schedule, U c F, b YU, Cincinnata,
46:52
and Baylor, those are all games that are probably going to be in that
46:54
coin flippy range, right. So I don't look at that schedule and go,
46:59
oh my gosh, you can't win any more games. I look at
47:00
that, Sarah, he got opportunities to win. I don't know that you
47:02
win all four of those, right. I don't know that I automatically write
47:06
off Oklahoma right now. It's aw UCF go in there and hang right with
47:08
them. So I think there's a chance to win some games. Yeah,
47:10
you got to clean up some areas, but that doesn't mean you can't just
47:14
because you didn't on Saturday. Texter says the officiating cost us the game no
47:19
calls on holds or pushed into the return man. Texter giving up a stadium
47:23
record for an opponent by forty one yards, breaking Samaj p Ryan in twenty
47:28
fourteen, who had two forty two on thirty four carries, is awful for
47:31
what was supposed to be a defensive team. Two bank robbery style turnovers with
47:37
the coal play and then the muffed pun are incredibly unlucky, but should not
47:39
happen at this level of football. Texter, I was hoping we wouldn't spiral,
47:45
but I've had a bad feeling. We're going to struggle to get six
47:47
wins. The Senator may not get that money on the over for four and
47:51
a half wins. I like Neil, but it's time to move. It's
47:54
year five. He's under five hundred, and I don't think he has a
47:58
killer instinct, especially in close games. Hope I'm wrong, Matt Charlotte.
48:01
I think he's twenty six and twenty eight. Is that town right or twenty
48:05
seven and twenty nine or something in that realm? Yeah, I mean he's
48:08
a game or two UNDERD five hundred Texter, greg and Katlitzburg. Before the
48:14
season began, I said to myself that this team staff would have to prove
48:17
that they're not better than last place. Being thirteenth, twelfth or eleventh isn't
48:22
going to cut it. This is the conclusion I've come to. We're better
48:25
than bad or lower class teams. We struggle against mediocre teams, and we
48:30
have no hope or hope. We don't have to play the good teams.
48:32
We get a turnover, we give it back. We screw up basic fundamentals.
48:37
I'm not going to continue to watch or listen to a team I have
48:40
to hope gets lucky breaks or doesn't have a certain conference team on its schedule
48:45
in order to have a good season. Like it or not, we are
48:47
Rutgers of the Big Twelve. Good luck with the rest of the season.
48:52
Rutgers has got six wins that stunned me. I saw that yesterday. Yeah,
48:57
I can play North Bred. Just game me out. I'd like to
49:00
play Northwest. I'm not gonna waste time on it. Yeah, I'd take
49:04
their schedule. Texter, I just saw the Oklahomas God sakes, go ahead.
49:13
I just saw the Oklahoma State mascot. That thing looks like it needs
49:16
to tell the neighbors that he moved into the neighborhood, Chris and Marietta,
49:22
Texter. The team seems to be in a different mental headspace since the bye
49:28
week. Neil mentioned he wished you would have handled it differently. I just
49:30
don't get what could cause a change like this. No discipline two consecutive games
49:36
after leaning on that as a strength before the bye Texter, guys, great,
49:45
being able to pick up a couple of Kerchievels at a Morgantown gas station
49:49
and enjoy them with my friends in the blue lot before kickoff. But what
49:52
I witnessed in the stadium was awful. First of all, why can't we
49:58
sell out a major conference game like this? Where are the students? Why
50:02
were the fans quiet? This has to change. The crowd was flat from
50:07
the start, and Ren Baker has to figure out how to get butts in
50:09
seats. I'm not saying every game should be the same environment as the brawl,
50:14
but that crowd was awful. Secondly, I was in Houston last week
50:19
and I thought those mistakes and that effort defensively were aberrations, but apparently it
50:22
is our identity. The toughness we showed against Tech and TCU was the aberration.
50:29
I'm disgusted. The effort in the fourth quarter beyond awful. We wouldn't
50:34
stop Alli Gordon and if we were playing two hand touch Tony. I know
50:38
you say it's not as bad as we feel right now, but I've been
50:42
to five games this year. We just aren't that good. It feels that
50:45
bad. We are mediocre at best. Something has to change. Signed by
50:51
Matt and Tulsa. My most disappointing thing about that is now he's buying your
50:58
beer in a gas station. Uh yeah, I didn't know it was available.
51:01
And oh yeah, we're all over monte County now, hoppy gas stations.
51:05
Oh yeah, wherever it needs to be, all over, widely distributed
51:09
now the Kroger well because a Mona supply. They got the Montingea County distribution
51:14
now, so we are in Montego County. Like you can't believe, I
51:16
have not had a kerchieve Ail since the block party we had understand should have
51:22
gone to the uh Oklahoma State Alumni tail Gay Kersavell. That's later, that's
51:27
later on It is ok text He Madden Morgantown writes longtime listeners. Sometimes I'm
51:34
a Texter for something there. I think you have all said this, But
51:37
Neil's done everything right from a program standpoint, except when it's a shame.
51:42
We find a new way to lose every time. Hopy likes to reference music
51:45
a lot, so let me try this. Bruce Springsteen said, when it
51:50
comes to luck, you make your own part of me feel. Neil is
51:52
going to do everything the right way to make his own luck. But as
51:55
luck sometimes goes, it's not falling his way. Hopefully it falls his way
52:00
with five left. Thanks as always, Matt Morgantown, Texter, you wanted
52:05
short texts. Gonna be tough these last several games. If we can figure
52:08
out how to get our out of our own way, well, next week
52:12
looms so large. You're going on the road, you're defensively, you're not
52:16
playing well you have in the last two games, and so Brad, I
52:20
don't know where Central Florida is. Where u CF, I'm sorry, where
52:23
u CF is after that? After that game? I mean, are they
52:27
pumped up because they almost knocked off a top tier team or are they like,
52:30
oh, we laid everything on the line for that game and now we're
52:32
just not focused on the next game. I mean, who knows, right,
52:35
either of those could be possible. Yeah, don't know, don't know,
52:38
Texter caution speed They did show speed. Yeah they get speed. Oh
52:43
they got athletes man center and I have done a UCF game before together.
52:47
Oh yeah, Bold bad boy Mower's Gasparilla ball. We did the UCF Marshall
52:53
game several years back. That speed then too run caution endgame text. Can
53:00
you not take a pe while watching a WVU game, I take a p
53:06
and the punt muff happens. Can we just not make normal routine plays?
53:10
Knock down a hail mary field an easy punt, make routine plays? Come
53:14
on, now, I would not go pee when the ball's still in play,
53:17
Like dude, when they go to break, then you can go take
53:20
the pl commercials you can find one. Uh yeah, exactly. You know
53:23
what, as you start to as you start to go through this, this
53:27
luck not luck? Is the program not disciplined? Discussion it? This is
53:32
what gets difficult when you're when you're evaluating programs and coaches. Is is that
53:37
true? Or is it again? Jalen Anderson catches that ball for a touchdown
53:43
or even if he doesn't, and they bat down the hail Mary and it
53:45
was five and one going into that game. And let's say the Oklahoma State
53:49
game plays out exactly as it does. Are we having the same discussions or
53:52
you're five and two and it's different. But they but two individual plays that
53:57
Andrew Wilson lamp running into that parmers are how many times does that happen?
54:00
That's not gonna happen very much? Right? Was that just a weird play
54:04
by a guy that was pushed and he was running too fast and he didn't
54:07
see Fox till late. Is that indicative that your program's in serious trouble?
54:12
I'm finding a hard time or I'm having a hard time buying that that's the
54:16
issue that a couple individual plays are indicative that the whole program's in trouble or
54:22
is it just is it some bad luck? A guy didn't catch a pass
54:27
that he catches ninety out of one hundred times, and the ten times he
54:30
doesn't, it probably falls to the turf. It doesn't bounce into the guy's
54:32
hands for an interception when you're about to score Wilson lamp. How hard is
54:37
that to run into the guy even if you are pushed, most times doesn't
54:39
he run by? So it's I'm having a trouble taking two or three plays
54:45
that if they go the other way, change the complete narrative in this season.
54:49
Well, because I get what you're saying. And again, when the
54:52
margin is that close, those kinds of things stand out. But is there
54:58
any guarantee that another their staff would not have the returner, the gunner,
55:02
the guy blocking the gunner run into the punter. Can you guarantee me that
55:07
another coach wouldn't have that? Can you guarantee me that another coach wouldn't have
55:10
a running back on a shirt touchdown pass not catch it? You see what
55:15
I'm saying? I do and look at it this way like I guess it
55:17
was the first halt was or maybe the second half when when West Virginia had
55:21
like a third and sixteen and black for Oklahoma State interference it commits a pass
55:28
interference if play bad interference called is gundhy on discipline? Oh yeah, I
55:31
was dody it on discipline? Is that if they lost a game and go,
55:36
what's wrong with your discipline? Why is that guy making that? On'?
55:37
Probably don't catch a football. So those things happen every game. Is
55:40
just do you have more than the other team? Are there? Is the
55:44
margins so close that a couple of those things make a big difference. Yeah?
55:47
So so here's the thing, guys, and listen. I took all
55:50
the texts last night, all the name calling of me, all the people
55:52
call you name, all the I can't say, well what I want to
55:55
see? Yeah, I get called names. I got ten people wanting me
55:58
fired last night on the text line here's the thing. I'll just say this.
56:01
I try and do these things with I tell you what I think,
56:04
and you can disagree with me all you want. You can call me every
56:07
name you want, you can do all your bullet crap on the Twitter and
56:09
all that stuff at I don't give a shit bleep that out. Keep it
56:15
in here. Here's the thing. Sometimes it's not just coaches. It's sometimes
56:21
it is. But sometimes you've got to say, and especially in this new
56:23
world where you're paying players, sometimes guys just don't make the plays. Guys
56:27
and that, and that's okay to say too. Sometimes guys have to make
56:30
plays, and sometimes guys make great plays. And Garrett Green took off on
56:35
a couple of those scrambles and picked up a first down. I didn't stand
56:37
up there and bang my fists and say that was a hell of a play
56:38
designed by Neil Brown, said, Garrett Green made a great Preston FOXX Preston
56:43
Fox caught two balls on his back. That's a tremendous route tree. Tremendous
56:46
route tree diagram that you got. Preston route Fox told him to fall on
56:50
his back and then catch the ball. Tremendous job by the coaches there,
56:52
We don't do that. So there's a lot of things that go into losing
56:55
games. It's rarely just one thing. So again, call me all the
57:00
names you want, Sam and Neil Brown, apologists, all you want,
57:01
whatever. Here's the deal. There's enough blame to go around on all this,
57:06
and has West Virginia won enough games lately? No, and Neil Brown
57:08
and that staff would be the first to tell you. But I'm having a
57:12
hard time with the overarching narrative being it's one thing that's wrong with this program
57:17
because it's just simply not. It's just simply not. So there we go.
57:21
Thursday's episode will be all about me and call me all the names you
57:23
want. That. That's just where I stand on this. There are multiple
57:27
things that cause you to lose games. Done. That was well said.
57:32
Texter spotted kerchieval being served to OSU alumni. There it is, so that
57:42
was an Oklahoma State alumni gathering. Apparently it's was before it started. But
57:49
inside that, inside that wagon, if you look at the beer, if
57:52
we blowed that up, there's Kurt cans of kerchieveiled in there. So they
57:57
were drinking your beer at the Ohicle home State Now we're a multi state.
58:01
It's like, welcome the friends from around the Big twelve. Come on and
58:05
enjoya enjoy it. I mean because they went to a beer store and they
58:08
just said, here, buy this beer. This is all good beer.
58:09
Buy this beer so interesting. You continue to do well on untapped ranks,
58:16
really high, really yes, consistently as we come upon a year of your
58:22
beer. Should have had about four of them witness night. Yeah didn't,
58:27
Texter. I'm enjoying a few Reces skeletons while thinking about West Virginia's last four
58:32
performances tech TCU. The mountaineers really stepped up, found a way past two.
58:38
Feels like they've underperformed, found a way to lose. I'm hoping this
58:42
trend comes to an end against UCF. Let's go mountaineers from the High Desert
58:46
region of California. That's Jeff texted our our text line last night during the
58:52
show. He brought up these recy skeletons. I have not heard of that
58:55
Gomart would happen. Yeah, I would think you remember to go for good
58:59
times, go for Reces skeletons at Gomart and get your Hey. The thing
59:04
about Gomard, you gotta remember that I'm just telling you on Saturdays, go
59:07
in there and get that triple points on those rewards. You know. My
59:10
love for the recy shapes as well documented. Forgot to mention this because we've
59:15
got them at the house. Hoppy now, oh dude, which is dangerous
59:17
there they come in the The pumpkins come in a smaller version. Okay,
59:22
so not as small as the tiny bite sized recy peanut our cusp, but
59:25
a little bit smaller, very very consumable in one big bite, one bite.
59:30
Yeah, so the mini pumpkins, you don't try to stretch it out,
59:32
you just I just go one bite, okay. Very good with the
59:35
coffee in the morning. Is that a good start to your today? It's
59:38
a start my blood sugar out of whack right start the day anyway. Endorsement
59:44
of receis Samurai find them. Did you really have one this morning? No?
59:47
Yesterday morning. That's why you come in. You come in the studio.
59:52
You're just like, let's go come on the here for another hour and
59:54
a half. I want to go now, sam Rights and guys. Good
59:58
to hear you, guys give some men's soccer love. Last week. I've
1:00:00
recently moved out of the area I've got fomo watching the Mountaineers on TV,
1:00:05
but the Mountain State derby the first time I truly said to myself, I
1:00:07
wish I was really there. Given the high stakes connections of the program's obvious
1:00:12
geographic tension, I'd argue without a doubt that it is the most exciting rivalry
1:00:16
on campus right now. Hoping they give us a run at the big one
1:00:21
this fall sun by Sam and Geneseo. It's great. It was a big
1:00:25
win, great atmosphere. You know, I used to attend school in Genia.
1:00:29
Know you were in Genneseo for two years before you transfer and transferportal.
1:00:32
First thing there enough nil to keep him. First thing it comes to mind
1:00:36
is aunt Cookie's subs Geneseo. Last time I asked someone, they said,
1:00:39
yeah, they're still good anyway. Ps, I just found out my neighbor
1:00:43
is a Houston grad. So my trauma continued right until the next kickoff from
1:00:50
Elkview. Hey, three guys, I'm officially off the train. Can't defend
1:00:53
them anymore. Oak State running back and o line better than Penn State.
1:00:58
No of effort falls on coaches. Brad are their stats on teams beating themselves
1:01:05
with stupid plays. I would beat eighty percent of I would bet eighty percent
1:01:08
of the losses under Neil are ridiculous stuff that caused us to beat ourselves.
1:01:13
That has to be poor coaching to the players. Didn't that I think you
1:01:17
guys said something earlier about the Okham State offensive line, but didn't that oak
1:01:21
State offensive line perform pretty well yesterday? I'll perform very well. Oh,
1:01:24
yeah, won the battle. The point was, it's not like they're sitting
1:01:28
over there dripping NFL guys, is my point. Yeah, they played.
1:01:30
Yeah, they lost a couple guys during the course of the game. Yeah,
1:01:36
that offense might be better in Penn States. Now, Penn State's offense
1:01:38
hasn't done anything. Christ Yes, didn't do anyth yesterday. I know I
1:01:42
was a good opponent, good defense opponent, but you know, it is
1:01:44
amazing. What the heck was? Gunny's a really good coach. What were
1:01:46
they doing the first three games of the season with Olli Gordon not getting the
1:01:50
ball? Preseason? How possibly did you come to that conclusion? Preseason quarterbacks,
1:01:53
preseasons. I mean, that's a tremendous staff, right, gun He
1:01:57
has been to however many bulls, he's been. He's one of the most
1:02:00
Were they not getting him the ball the first three games? What are you
1:02:00
doing? You got a good answer for that, Well, they were running
1:02:05
the wrong stuff. They were running zone stuff. They went back to gaps
1:02:07
game stuff and let him run up and down the f He also wasn't even
1:02:09
on the field. No, it wasn't just the blocking. He was not
1:02:13
getting snaps. How's that happen? You know, he's an interesting running back
1:02:15
because the template for running back today usually shorter stock. Your guys right to
1:02:20
muscle up in there. Maybe they have good speed. He is. He's
1:02:23
I don't want to say lankiness long. He's long for a running back,
1:02:27
man, he's long and he goes running. When he takes off, you
1:02:30
go, it doesn't look like he's running that fast, but he is.
1:02:31
I mean, he's really good. He brings it. Charlie from mid Lothian
1:02:36
hoppy, I've got your back. In case Professor Vinnie doesn't chime in,
1:02:39
you should have thrown your red handkerchief challenge flag. When Brad challenged Your Hail
1:02:44
Mary's success rate, he was suggesting that the ten percent success rate was too
1:02:50
high based on the total number of games that are played. The success rate
1:02:53
should be determined and the number of completed hal mary's per total number a temp
1:02:58
did correct, not how many games have been played. Brad is now penalized
1:03:02
fifteen RECEI cups for targeting your stat. Disagree, I mean just disagree.
1:03:08
The point was winning the game on a hail mary. That was the discussion.
1:03:12
Thanks Charlie, So you don't want me, but my stat was success
1:03:15
rate on hail mary's. Well here's someone else, topy. I don't know
1:03:21
if you're ten percent success rates stat is accurate, but I do know that
1:03:23
Brad is wrong in his reasoning. The correct calculation would be number of successful
1:03:28
hail mary's divided by the number of attempted, not the total number of games
1:03:30
played. Hail Mary's are attempted very few times. The situation is really applicable.
1:03:36
Thus the reason for the higher than expected percentage. Hoppy for the win.
1:03:38
Signed ear regardless disagree, Go ahead, Texter, you guys will like
1:03:45
this one. Hi. It's Morgan from Charlotte, North Carolina. My boyfriend
1:03:50
Connor is a dou WVU alum, huge WV fan. He's always listening to
1:03:55
your podcast, and in turn, so am I. He has patiently explain
1:04:00
the rules of football to me and will answer all of my questions when I
1:04:02
have no idea what you guys are talking about. He is taking me to
1:04:08
my first game against BYU. I think he would die if this was a
1:04:13
If this was a text that was read on the podcast in a good way,
1:04:16
he die. Thanks well, Morgan Revive Connor, because we just read
1:04:23
your text. Congratulations, welcome to the Mountaineer Nation family. Yeah, Texter,
1:04:29
I am forced to listen to you three while traveling in the car with
1:04:32
my husband. I'm getting away. I'm getting a vibe here like that,
1:04:35
certain female listeners are forced to listen to it. Being a West Virginia girl,
1:04:41
I have heard and seen a thing or two, But on our most
1:04:44
recent trip, you guys were talking about a ten foot slim gym. Slim
1:04:48
Gyms are right up there with pepperoni as being a mystery meat, but from
1:04:51
the time to time they hit the spot. But I've never once seen a
1:04:56
ten foot slim Jim, so is the this is a real thing? And
1:05:00
have I just missed it or are you just bloviating to make the story funnier.
1:05:05
Sincerely, A concerned citizen, signed by Karen from Sarah Anne. Did
1:05:12
you just call her a Karen? She said, Karen from Sarah Anne.
1:05:16
Her name's Karen. She hasn't Karen, Karen, No, that's her name.
1:05:21
What is Sarah Anne? I don't know, I've never heard. Is
1:05:24
that a place? I don't I don't know that. I don't know that
1:05:26
place. I don't know. I don't know the place you're speaking of.
1:05:33
Well, let me google. You're gonna use the Google Sarah Anne. Do
1:05:36
it, you work, I'll do it. I don't see it. Sarah
1:05:40
and West Virginia or I don't know Sarah with noe at the end west,
1:05:45
Yes, Sarah and West Virginia. It's a census designated place well, Cogan
1:05:50
County, Logan County, Logan County. How about that? Yeah, let
1:05:56
me see. It's a bit of a small community. The population is one
1:05:59
hundred and eighty eight and it takes a geographic space of one point eight square
1:06:04
miles. You break down the map there with Sarah Ann. It's a it's
1:06:10
right near the Lower Dempsey Branch area there named for Sarah O'Toole, according to
1:06:15
the Wikipedia, wife of coal company official Edward O'Toole, and Anne Shanklin,
1:06:21
wife of the coal company's coaltown doctor doctor Shanklin Deep Coletown Senator, SENATORI what
1:06:30
is what is box? What is box below me? Oh, that was
1:06:33
a gift from a listener, Tommy Boyne Independence. So we need to open
1:06:36
extra. We need to open it. We'll go ahead. You're going to
1:06:39
do it now. Yeah, we got a big box of stuff. Meanwhile,
1:06:45
our FBS wins. Teams we've beaten have a combined record of now of
1:06:49
nine and fourteen. The offense and defense never perform well. At the same
1:06:54
time, I would say on the basketball season, however, our best player
1:06:58
probably doesn't become eligible. At least we have soccer, or just forget sports.
1:07:02
Let's go food. What's your favorite? Barbecue? Brisket, pulled pork,
1:07:06
ribs or chicken. Has to be brisket for me, with ribs being
1:07:10
fourth. I love barbecue, but I think ribs are the crab legs of
1:07:13
barbecue. Too much work can mess for such little meat. Yeah, brisket
1:07:20
for me. Yeah, if you do it right, but as you know,
1:07:23
it's hard to do. Yeah, it's not. I mean, if
1:07:25
it's not perfect, then what do we got? I don't even want it?
1:07:27
What do we have? Tommy boyn independence. Okay, Tommy boying independence.
1:07:31
So oh sweet mercy, here comes hype o glycemic shock. Look at
1:07:39
that thing. Oh geez, that is a large That is a thirty eight
1:07:43
ounce bag of M and m's. Man, that is like crack right there.
1:07:48
Oh my god, hot tomaly's for hoppy. What do you give you
1:07:53
big M and MS for you? You get back? You get reces.
1:07:58
Good dude, c BAGARISI thank you, Tommy boy, thank you certainly appreciate
1:08:03
it. I'm gonna weigh I got one point eight pounds. Great for sharing.
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Thank you so very much. All of these items available at gomark.
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Go for good times, go for gomart. Oh oh, back to back
1:08:15
to her question regarding the ten foot slim Jym. So does slim Jim make
1:08:27
a ten foot slim jym kind of like the moth Man. There are those
1:08:34
that have absolutely seen the ten foot slim Jim. There are some that say
1:08:41
no such thing. Mmmmm. So the answer is yes, yes, And
1:08:55
you know, sometimes, did you ever have anybody in the family and my
1:08:59
fine that was like this that told stories and was a good storyteller, and
1:09:03
maybe they embellished just a little bit, didn't really change the story per se.
1:09:08
It wasn't a lie in embellishment. Sure it makes the story better,
1:09:12
Maybe just rounds it out a little bit. Mm hmm. The same thing.
1:09:15
There's there's actual measurements, and then there's perception of measurement perception perception of
1:09:20
measurements. Did Tommy Boy write you like a handwritten letter there? What's he
1:09:24
saying? You don't get those much anymore. No, it's a lot of
1:09:27
things. I just wanted to appreciate the show and send us this coffee.
1:09:30
He says. He thinks this would go great with the West Virginia Roaster coffee
1:09:34
that you'll drink on the show. See the chocolate mixed with the coffee.
1:09:38
It's very good. I like that. It also wraps up by saying,
1:09:41
just remember that if you all do a show in West Virginia South aka Myrtle
1:09:45
Beach, we always have a place to stay at the beach house there located
1:09:50
at Ocean Lake's Family Campground straight there at the intersection, big place right on
1:09:55
the beach, right where it is, Okay, cool, stay right just
1:09:58
north of that. Ye, thank you appreciate you camping. No, it's
1:10:04
just it's a it's a camp ground. There's a place for campers, but
1:10:06
it's got houses back there too. Okay, Yeah, we'd be more fun
1:10:12
if we camped. That'd be hilarious. No, I really wouldn't. I
1:10:16
had to take the house. My wife is from Illinois and just doesn't get
1:10:24
it. The it is that no matter where we are in the country,
1:10:29
if I see someone with a West Virginia short hat or a license plate,
1:10:31
I'd talk to them and it's like we're long lost relatives. Signed by Phil
1:10:38
and dateonight. Yeah, I mean his wife is somewhere and you sees somebody's
1:10:41
got an iliin I hat on. I mean, just doesn't see someone with
1:10:45
the West Virginia stuff you got you gotta find out right, and you're like,
1:10:46
Okay, what's your deal? Right? Okay? Texter. Listening to
1:10:51
your last podcast where the gentleman from the Canaw Valley married a New Yorker who
1:10:56
now resides in the Adirondacks, he mentioned how therapeutic it was to run into
1:11:00
another West Virginia fan and an orchard upstate, like finding a friend that he
1:11:04
hadn't seen in decades. Hoppy responded, mountaineer fans will find each other,
1:11:11
and that prompted me to write. Last month, I flew in from to
1:11:15
Pittsburgh from Kansas City to spend the weekend at the WVU Fantasy Basketball Camp.
1:11:20
Time spent at Kegler's and on the hardwood with the Band of Brothers. One
1:11:26
of the best weekends of the year. Was exciting to be around the team
1:11:29
and in particular Coach Eilert and the young coaching staff that he's put together.
1:11:32
The high energy, attention to detailed, determined focused skill development by Davesham Butler,
1:11:38
Alex Ruoff, Damar Johnson, and Jordan mccab during team practice was really
1:11:42
impressive. The experience and the advice of coach James Dickey will add balance and
1:11:47
tremendous value as well. You wait, two guys meet him. He's like,
1:11:51
he's a good dude. You're gonna like him. The weekend made me
1:11:55
so excited for the season as I scrambled to leave the coliseum in Bolt for
1:12:00
Pittsburgh's airport on Sunday, both extremely sore and elated to have my camp championship
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trophy in the passenger seat, tongue click and huge thanks to Coach Ruoff as
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we defeated Team Butler in the title game. I thought about how special it
1:12:13
was to have campers living all over the country to come to Morgantown for the
1:12:15
weekend and all share common interest, passion, and love for the university in
1:12:18
this beautiful state. The few days we spend together are gift Tony. When
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you mentioned fellow camper and Texan Chase Hernandez bringing you gifts while in Houston for
1:12:30
the game, I messaged Chase. He thanked me and went back and listened,
1:12:33
and we both talked about what all things are great. Thanks for having
1:12:36
you and everything that you guys do. Your podcast is informative and enjoyable,
1:12:42
comforting and a taste of home that connects people in ways you probably would have
1:12:45
never imagined. During episode one, I run five miles and listen to it
1:12:50
while I'm stressed at work, and it's the best part of my day.
1:12:55
Just hope you through realize the positive impact you have for so many is with
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his championship trophy, well done, congratulations. That's Rick. He didn't say
1:13:05
what he is with Coach Ruff. That's Rick. So he's a lawyer in
1:13:12
Kansas City, but like he ain't like a regular lawyer. Well, you
1:13:18
know, there's general lawyers and then there's like super special lawyers that do like
1:13:26
the really super like crazy hard stuff at the like top of the percentile stuff.
1:13:31
Yeah, that's what he does. I'm sure I follow you. But
1:13:34
well, he ain't going to do your deed with all due respect, I
1:13:40
mean he and he's also not going to probably work on like uh uh,
1:13:44
you know, filing your papers for incorporate. It's like crazy stuff with bees
1:13:48
in it, like billions. Like the shoes there. When you get those
1:13:51
shoes, you probably got the stuff with the camp's good gear. Now,
1:13:57
was that his player of Rulf's coaching? Yeh, I mean probably Rick,
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I mean probably a great player. No, it's only coaching. Yeah,
1:14:05
to do it play? How'd you coach him to shoot the basket? Ever?
1:14:08
Matters if you make the shot? All right, Here we go,
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last one, Ben from Youngstown, Ohio. This story is to show Hoppy
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that other couples also argue about when the peak fall colors show up. Last
1:14:21
week, me and the girlfriend took a hiking trip to Hocking Hills State Park,
1:14:27
located about forty five mile minutes southeast of Columbus. When we booked the
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trip in late August, we had a debate about which week would have peak
1:14:35
colors. My contention was that the sixteenth through the nineteenth would be peak.
1:14:40
She was adamant that the twenty third through the twenty sixth would be better.
1:14:45
I pulled off the twenty point upset and won the debate. Therefore, we
1:14:48
booked the trip for sixteen through nineteen. For the last hour of the drive,
1:14:53
we saw very little color. I was lectured about just how long I
1:14:57
was during that the entire time. However, when we got into the park,
1:15:01
when we got into the park, while the colors were perfect mic drop
1:15:05
by the second day, I would say they those colors, well, they
1:15:11
were at peak. Speaking of things at peak, unfortunately, it looks like
1:15:16
WVU caught Houston in Oklahoma State at there peak. Yesterday before I went to
1:15:23
work, and I said that I mentioned the fact that Karen and I are
1:15:27
argue about two things, landscaping and when it's peak. And then it was
1:15:30
outside the house there was a tree and I said, Sweetie, come here
1:15:34
and look. I think this is peak. And she looked at it and
1:15:36
said, you know, I think it is. Oh found common ground,
1:15:42
huginsued Bliss Bliss at the Kerchival household, they fired up. They fired up
1:15:46
the best leaf music that they could find, and they celebrated together. Did
1:15:51
you open those em and ms yet? I was going to, but I
1:15:55
didn't want to start because then, as you well know, when you eat
1:15:57
that kind of stuff, it causes potential coffee situations. But in about forty
1:16:00
two seconds, that bag's good, That bag is gonna be bag will be
1:16:04
just cooking, just fine. All right, did we solve anything? Uh?
1:16:10
Well, I think we got together. We had we shared some laughs,
1:16:13
we shared some information. I think it was productive. Okay, I
1:16:15
feel good about it. We're back Thursday to preview use ce F. What
1:16:24
do you got there? What hop? He made his first wager every yesterday?
1:16:30
Oh did jo? What do you do? Brad? You tell took
1:16:32
the historic under in the Iowa Minnesota game. Oh, I saw that under
1:16:36
twenty two points total store thirty and a half of all head it. You
1:16:41
won five bucks for for sixty two for sixty two after the juice. That
1:16:45
was just the return of the five that he had to put in. He
1:16:48
gave it after the juice, littlejuice on it. Take the juice out.
1:16:50
So hey, he's for sixty two coming to him. I never bet,
1:16:54
but we get We are fascinated by you know, Iowa under the whole situation
1:17:00
there, and it was against Minnesota. So when I heard that the over
1:17:02
under was throw like thirty and a half, I asked mat, I said,
1:17:04
I have got to place the one week life. So I took the
1:17:08
under, just render just and now I'm cashing a ticket. Right? Is
1:17:13
this the week we find out the eligibility of Ray Kwon Battle, they said,
1:17:17
before the season begins, and it's a charity event that season against Friday,
1:17:21
Right, Yeah, they play Friday. It took four years for Kansas,
1:17:25
might take four years for things. Big Decision Special. Thanks to our
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producer Luke Rousey, Thanks to all of our Texters. We're back Thursday.
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