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Looking ahead to Dodgers-Brewers NLCS + Curt Hogg on Milwaukee’s gritty postseason thus far · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: All right cap it no cap and this one's presented
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  Speaker 1: by lids i got my lids box it's covered in
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  Speaker 1: books right now so uh all right we're going to
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  Speaker 1: go through some categories here and we are going to
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  Speaker 1: pick up pick a lid i guess for which team
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  Speaker 1: we think has the winner in each category okay so
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  Speaker 1: we're going to start and this is by the way
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  Speaker 1: the dodgers and the brewers series so EK, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to go through this, and we're going to go topic
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  Speaker 1: by topic, and we're going to make you pick a lid.
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  Speaker 1: I'll pick a lid with you, which team has the
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  Speaker 1: best one. And then at the end, since you already
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  Speaker 1: gave your prediction, and we know that you picked the
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers because you hate the Brewers, then I get to
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  Speaker 1: pick mine, and I don't even know why we're doing
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  Speaker 1: it because since I hate the Dodgers, I mean the
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  Speaker 1: Brewers so much, I don't even know why I'm wasting
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  Speaker 1: my time and everyone's time because we all know I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to pick the Dodgers. So here are the categories,
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  Speaker 1: all right? We're going to start with this. Best starting
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  Speaker 1: pitching of the two teams, Brewers or Dodgers? One through four. Depth.
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  Speaker 1: It's a depth for me. And Mizorowski's great. Logan Henderson's great. Yamamoto, Schubel, Glasnow, Snell.
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  Speaker 1: We picked the Dodgers, by the way, for everybody listening. Yeah, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: We both picked the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Yamamoto, Schubel, Glasnow, Snell. Sorry. Mizorowski's nice. Gasser's nice. Logan
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  Speaker 1: Henderson's nice. Whoever else they picked to start is nice.
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  Speaker 1: But it ain't these four names. So for me, Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: went easy.
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  Speaker 3: Not just four names. Like, they're not even– these dudes
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  Speaker 3: are in their prime. So it's not just names. It's
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  Speaker 3: not like they're like– it's not like we're running out
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  Speaker 3: Max Scherzer and Verlander after 40 years old who are
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  Speaker 3: still pretty good. But these dudes are in their prime
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  Speaker 3: and it's starting pitching. Starting pitching's– that's why they won
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  Speaker 3: last year because the starting pitchers went into the bullpen
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  Speaker 3: and also won the game for them.
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  Speaker 1: True. True. So we both agree on that one. All right.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Scooble versus Miz, if that happens, is
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  Speaker 1: going to be epic because it could have been Scooble
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  Speaker 1: or Miz then Scooble for the Brewers, but they got
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  Speaker 1: Logan Henderson instead. So good job, Brewers.
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  Speaker 3: You listened to the show yesterday. I'm glad you were
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  Speaker 3: listening on your day off, AJ, on your travel day.
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  Speaker 3: I did not, but I've had that opinion for a while.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the bullpen. Best bullpen, Dodgers
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  Speaker 3: or Brewers?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, not even close. Not even close. Same, Brewers.
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  Speaker 3: We both picked Brewers. It's the best logo in the game.
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  Speaker 3: It's the most underrated logo. It's got the M and
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  Speaker 3: the B for Milwaukee baseball. And it is the Brewers.
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  Speaker 3: And it might not be just the bullpen. And I
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  Speaker 3: say that because I'm not saying it's a rotation. I'm
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  Speaker 3: saying when you think about bullpen, you think about like
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  Speaker 3: the three-headed monster or the guys that they're going to
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  Speaker 3: go to in the big spots.
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  Speaker 2: They have dudes everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that Aaron Ashby hasn't, Latched on as a starter,
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  Speaker 3: but he can give you three solid innings at any time.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that Uribe, yeah, he almost gave up the
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  Speaker 3: home run to Manny Machado, but he didn't. He's throwing
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  Speaker 3: 99 with sink. And what Trevor McGill has done, if
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  Speaker 3: you look at his numbers, it really doesn't show what
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  Speaker 3: he has done since his slow start. He was on
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  Speaker 3: the show when I was out in Milwaukee for our
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  Speaker 3: alumni day, and it was– He.
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  Speaker 2: Had struggled to start.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was his first 18 innings it was
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  Speaker 3: struggle bus, or maybe it was his first six innings.
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  Speaker 3: He has been almost unhittable. So they have the three-headed monster,
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  Speaker 3: but they also have depth. JoJo Romero. They have D.L.
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  Speaker 3: Hall giving them length. They have a bunch of starters
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  Speaker 3: that really haven't thrown that are down there, and Patrick
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  Speaker 3: and Harrison. It is incredible, and I don't think this
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  Speaker 3: is even close. I think it's Brewers 10 times out
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  Speaker 3: of 10.
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  Speaker 1: I won't argue with you on that one. I'm taking
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  Speaker 1: the Brewers also. They had the best bullpen ERA in
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  Speaker 1: the league this year. People don't even know that. They
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  Speaker 1: look at the Padres or someone else and say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers bullpen. I know Edwin Diaz looked nice against
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  Speaker 1: the Braves, but he has struggled all year. So I
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  Speaker 1: know Tanner Scott and some of those other guys are
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  Speaker 1: coming back. But yeah, for me, this is easy. And
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  Speaker 1: the thing I like most about the Brewers bullpen is
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  Speaker 1: the flexibility they have and the way Murph uses them.
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  Speaker 1: If you talk to Pat Murphy, he'll say, guys, we
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  Speaker 1: need guys that can give us more than one inning, right?
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  Speaker 1: So that's Ashby. That's Drohan. That's Patrick if they need it.
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  Speaker 1: That's whoever they throw out there can give them more.
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  Speaker 1: It sends a teller, right? They can give them more
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  Speaker 1: than one inning if they need them to, and they're
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  Speaker 1: used to doing that. And Murph loves this because he
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  Speaker 1: can play the mix-and-match game all he wants. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think this is pretty easy for the Brewers. All right, now,
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  Speaker 1: biggest home field advantage, Cratch. Who do you got, Brewers
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  Speaker 1: or Dodgers?
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  Speaker 2: Milwaukee again. Same. Milwaukee again.
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  Speaker 1: I was there.
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  Speaker 3: If you've ever been to Dodger Stadium, incredible environment. The
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  Speaker 3: speakers are awesome. The fans, I love the bleacher. The
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  Speaker 3: bleacher peeps, like all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's older.
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  Speaker 3: It's a huge stadium. It goes way, way up. It's
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  Speaker 3: got the ninth deck way up there. Traffic's terrible. Nothing
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  Speaker 3: is like how close the fans are in Milwaukee. American
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  Speaker 3: Family Field, Miller Park before that. The fans, the stadium
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  Speaker 3: just goes straight up, and it feels like everybody is
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  Speaker 3: right on top of you. And the lower bowl is
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  Speaker 3: not that big, so then those upper decks are closer
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  Speaker 3: to you, and it just– it is– the cheeseheads are out,
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  Speaker 3: and they.
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  Speaker 1: Are an incredible, incredible fan base. True. I was there
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  Speaker 1: this past week. Amazing, amazing– Fans, their towels, they had
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  Speaker 1: everything going. The roof's closed. It gets loud as heck.
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  Speaker 1: Not as loud as San Diego, but it gets really loud.
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  Speaker 1: They're passionate. They're there from the first to the ninth inning.
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  Speaker 1: Plus the roof and the shadows and all that can
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  Speaker 1: play a part. I know they're later games, but they
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  Speaker 1: can still play a part. It's a little bit different
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  Speaker 1: ballpark than what the Dodgers are used to. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for me, home field advantage goes to the Dodgers. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, to the Brewers. It wasn't as loud as
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  Speaker 1: San Diego. It wasn't as loud as San Diego, but
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  Speaker 1: it was loud. I've never experienced it. It was the
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  Speaker 1: loudest playoff. place that I've ever played in, without a doubt.
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  Speaker 1: And David Freeze, who played in quite a few big games, St. Louis,
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  Speaker 1: the big hits he had in St. Louis, he said
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  Speaker 1: it was the loudest that he had ever heard. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it's not fair because the roof's closed. Even when they
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  Speaker 1: open the windows up in center field, the roof is
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  Speaker 1: still closed, so it's always going to be louder. But
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  Speaker 1: the roof opened, the windows shut, whatever it is, He
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  Speaker 1: said it was the loudest he had ever been, and
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  Speaker 1: he's been in quite a few big spots. Yeah, agreed, agreed.
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  Speaker 1: All right, strongest lineup, Brewers, Dodgers. Stronger lineup. L.A.
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  Speaker 3: All the way because I'm going back to Cali strictly
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  Speaker 3: for the weather.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so this is really hard for me, okay? I'm
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  Speaker 1: actually going to go Brewers, okay? Okay. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: go Brewers. And I'm going to go Brewers for one
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  Speaker 1: reason and one reason only. I know the Dodgers have Shohei,
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  Speaker 1: and they have Freddie, and they have Mookie, and they
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  Speaker 1: have Max, and they have Will Smith. But those guys
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  Speaker 1: haven't hit. Shohei especially has not been good. Kyle Tucker,
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  Speaker 1: he's actually done okay. But maybe it's biased because I
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  Speaker 1: just watched the Brewers play. Churrio's a great player. Bryce
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  Speaker 1: Terang goes the other way. He's really good. Contreras loves
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  Speaker 1: the big moment. Jake Bowers had unbelievable bats. Christian Yelich
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  Speaker 1: looked like he was back against the Padres. Cooper Pratt
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  Speaker 1: made some big hits. I mean, take Luis Lara out,
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  Speaker 1: put Sal Freelick in there. He looked nice. Garrett Mitchell
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  Speaker 1: figured it out in game four against the Padres. Joey
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  Speaker 1: Ortiz can bunt. He can get some hits. I just
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  Speaker 1: think one through nine, it's all about pressure for the Brewers.
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  Speaker 1: It's all about pressure. They can steal. They can bunt.
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  Speaker 1: They can hit and run. They get on base. It
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  Speaker 1: seemed like every time the Padres scored, and I know
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  Speaker 1: it's a different animal with the Dodgers, every time the
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  Speaker 1: Padres scored, it was first and second and no outs
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  Speaker 1: for the Brewers in four pitches. And you're like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: what just happened? The Padres are rolling. Oh, no, it's
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  Speaker 1: faces loaded for the Brewers. There were six pitches in
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  Speaker 1: the next inning. So I think they're just deeper than
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers with not as big of names as what
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  Speaker 1: the Dodgers have.
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  Speaker 3: And they, I mean, yeah, I mean, you mentioned it,
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  Speaker 3: the whole Padres series, they were facing good pitching, like
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  Speaker 3: good pitching. They're going to face good pitching again. They're
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  Speaker 3: going to need to make adjustments against each different starting
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  Speaker 3: pitcher because they're all so different. I would say this,
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  Speaker 3: your question was, which is the strongest lineup. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to go with the Dodgers as the strongest lineup
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  Speaker 3: and the Brewers as the toughest. I think being a
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  Speaker 3: tough lineup is different than being a strong lineup. If
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  Speaker 3: Freddie Freeman comes into a series and he had one
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  Speaker 3: extra base hit in the last month before that series,
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  Speaker 3: and then he does what he did in this past
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  Speaker 3: series to the Braves, like That's big damage. Shohei Otani,
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  Speaker 3: whether he's leading off, hitting second behind Mookie, hitting fifth,
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  Speaker 3: whatever it is, the chance for this team to go
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  Speaker 3: one through nine and do damage is crazy. Because I
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  Speaker 3: look at the bottom of their order and I go,
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  Speaker 3: Andy Pajas has been terrible in the playoffs. And then
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  Speaker 3: he has the last game that he has. Tommy Edmund,
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  Speaker 3: I'm never worried about Tommy Edmund getting big hits. Oh, wait,
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  Speaker 3: he's got a trophy on his mantle that says, And
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  Speaker 3: LCS MVP, like every single dude in this lineup. And
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  Speaker 3: this is why I'm going to choose. They are a
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  Speaker 3: stronger lineup, but I think they can be pitched to,
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  Speaker 3: which the Brewers have really good pitching and the Brewers
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  Speaker 3: are a tougher lineup. They're just not going to always
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  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 2: Like, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Any one of these guys can hit a three run digger.
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  Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair. Okay. I understand. I understand why
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  Speaker 1: it is. All right. Last but not least, Kratz, I
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  Speaker 1: know you picked the Dodgers yesterday to win the series.
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  Speaker 1: So I have to pick who's going to win the series.
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  Speaker 1: It's a tough choice for me. Just play the hat game.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do three hat money. Don't look here.
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  Speaker 1: Don't look there. And I'm going with Brewers. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: with the Brewers. Damn it, all you Brewers people think
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  Speaker 1: I hate you. I'm going. I can't put the hat
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  Speaker 1: on because I have my other hat on, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: putting my Brewers hat on here. I'll even shrink down
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  Speaker 1: so you can see my Brewers hat. Okay. Yes, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going Brewers. I picked the Brewers before the whole playoff
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  Speaker 1: started to win the whole damn thing. So all you
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  Speaker 1: people that thought I was rooting for the Padres, you
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  Speaker 1: guys are fools, and you guys don't know me very
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  Speaker 1: well because I will not change my pick. Even though
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  Speaker 1: I've had the Dodgers on my power rankings one from
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  Speaker 1: the entire year, I still think the Brewers win this series,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's about damn time. Not only do
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  Speaker 1: they get to the World Series, they win the World Series,
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  Speaker 1: and they make Milwaukee proud. And all you Brewer fans
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  Speaker 1: can stop freaking hating on me. And also, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I love Pat Murphy. I love Dave Roberts. They coach together.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Roberts was Pat Murphy's bench coach with the Padres 2015.
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  Speaker 1: So it's time for the old master to get his
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  Speaker 1: little pad one, say shoe fly. I'm finally getting one.
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  Speaker 1: So crew crew wins it. I think it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be probably at least six or six, if not seven games,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be an unbelievable series. And I can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: You got to choose.
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  Speaker 1: You can't say six or seven. Why not 6-7? Listen,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a company guy, so I'll say 7 just so
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  Speaker 1: Fox is happy. They got seven games out of the
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers before they go to Cancun, as David always says.
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to see this end in 6. For some reason,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it'll end in 6. It's going to
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  Speaker 3: be awesome, and I'll be honest, I would much rather
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  Speaker 3: the reseeding. You pick who you want to play. I
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  Speaker 3: want each of these teams to pick who they want
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  Speaker 3: to play from the American League so they can play
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  Speaker 3: in the World Series.
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  Speaker 1: The odds?
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  Speaker 3: The odds right now? For the National League to win,
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  Speaker 3: I saw it yesterday, minus 200 for the National League
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  Speaker 3: to win the World Series.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Who are you taking from the American League to
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  Speaker 1: beat an American League team?
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  Speaker 2: No, I agree, but I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: What American League team are you taking to win?
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  Speaker 2: Those kinds of numbers. I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not– it's not– yeah, we're not even going to
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  Speaker 3: get to that right now. It's not even close. This
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  Speaker 3: is the World Series, and I am so for it.
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  Speaker 3: Sunday can't come early enough.
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  Speaker 1: True, true. Hey, there's a big game tomorrow night too,
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  Speaker 1: so let's not forget about them White Sox. All right,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. Sorry, Brewers fans, to disappoint you that I
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  Speaker 1: beat writer, Kurt Hoagie.
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  Speaker 2: Hoagie.
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  Speaker 1: Kurt Hoag. All right, we're back. We're back. Host of
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  Speaker 1: Brewers Territory. Let's welcome him on from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Sentinel.
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  Speaker 1: co-host of Brewer Territory and rocking the Foul Territory hat.
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  Speaker 1: We love it. And also, by the way, I can
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  Speaker 1: call him whatever I want because he walked right by
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  Speaker 1: me multiple times, didn't speak. So now, Kurt, you're Kurt
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  Speaker 1: Hogg from now on because you haven't earned the right
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  Speaker 1: for me to speak your name properly after you walked
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  Speaker 1: by me numerous times. And I had to speak with
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: Adam McAlvey many times because Kurt Hoagie walked right past
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  Speaker 1: me and didn't speak. Not even a wave.
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  Speaker 2: I said hi to you in the stairwell. What do
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  Speaker 2: you mean? I said, what's up, AJ?
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  Speaker 1: I said, hi, Kurt, as you walk by. And then
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, hey, hey, hey, how
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  Speaker 1: are you?
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  Speaker 2: You turn that corner, you turn that corner, and then
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  Speaker 2: there's AJ.
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  Speaker 3: It's because Kurt's freaky tall. Like, you wouldn't think it
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  Speaker 3: until you meet him.
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  Speaker 1: He's freaky tall.
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  Speaker 3: Like, so he sees above everybody, and he's like, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Only going to say hi to the tall people. He
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  Speaker 1: looked down upon me, literally from above the stairs.
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  Speaker 2: He looked down on me.
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  Speaker 1: They look down upon me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where this came from. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm being slandered on my own network.
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  Speaker 1: Kurt, I feel for you because I've been slandered for
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  Speaker 1: the last week by every Brewer fan.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I'm surprised you're talking Brewers
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  Speaker 2: when you hate them. I was told you hate them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's all I did was hated the Brewers
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  Speaker 1: for a week. I mean, gosh, it was just like, man,
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  Speaker 1: those Padres are the best. Go Padres. Go Fathers. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: not at all. I mean, as you know, Kurt, I
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  Speaker 1: love the Brewers, actually, and I love Pat Murphy, and
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  Speaker 1: I love this team. And what I saw from them
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  Speaker 1: in these last four games against– A very game San
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  Speaker 1: Diego team just impressed me more. How impressed were you by, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I know they won some games and I know this
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  Speaker 1: and that, but the way they battled, the way they
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  Speaker 1: came back from adversity, falling down, the way they beat
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  Speaker 1: Mason Miller, right? Just how impressed were you by this
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  Speaker 1: Brewers team in general?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was essentially what they did all season
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  Speaker 2: if you look at it. They put guys on base constantly.
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  Speaker 2: They have like 55, 50-something runners on base. I know
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  Speaker 2: they didn't score a ton of runs, in the series,
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  Speaker 2: but they constantly had good at-bats. They got a little
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  Speaker 2: unlucky on offense, really, and the pitching was absolutely outstanding.
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  Speaker 2: That's not a huge surprise, but when you look at
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  Speaker 2: it and you see it was like, okay, Miz was okay.
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  Speaker 2: Logan Henderson was solid five innings, but really it was
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  Speaker 2: the collective effort. Robert Gasser pitched well. I mean, the bullpen,
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  Speaker 2: you see it right there. Their ERA was 1.8 in
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  Speaker 2: this series. That Padres team was playing as hot As
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  Speaker 2: anyone in baseball, hotter than anyone in baseball for the
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  Speaker 2: last two months, that lineup has a bunch of guys
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: swinging it. They held Machado down until the end. They
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: held Tatis down until the end. And they just played
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: their butts off, and they did it in their style,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: which was impressive and, more importantly, encouraging, I would say,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: when you look at, all right, now they've got these
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: big boys coming up on Sunday in Milwaukee.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Haven't they always won in the playoffs with their style?
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Even back to 2018 when I was here, Every time we.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Won, it was the Brewers' style. It was the way
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: that we won.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Does it make you change the narrative of how it's
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: going to be in the next series?
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Well, last year, if you think about it, Kratzy, that
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Cubs series, they won with a bunch of homers.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: And then I.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Don't even know what style they played with against the Dodgers.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: It just wasn't good. So I don't know if it
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: changes the narrative. It makes you more optimistic going into
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: this series. against the Dodgers. But I think you should
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: at least be a little bit encouraged by the fact that,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: you know, they hit the ball hard. They put guys
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: on base. They are not going to hit a ton
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: of homers, which is obviously the question because you can
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: have that series where you just leave everyone on base because,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: you know, you're not hitting it over the fence. But
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: I was generally encouraged by the offense, especially in the
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: last three games, even though they did not score a ton.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: You could easily told me, you know, they get a
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: couple bloops to fall in one of those games and
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: they score a Six, seven runs, just like AJ was
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: saying earlier, six, seven runs. And then they win going away.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: But they played their style of game. They won game
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: four with defense. They got clutch hits in game two.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: So I feel optimistic generally about where the offense is,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: even though I know they scored like three runs a
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: game in the series.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the pitching for the San Diego was
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: pretty sick, too. I mean, both teams pitched their asses
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: off in this series. No matter who they brought in,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: it was like, whoa, another. And they got made pitches.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: They made pitches. That's what was crazy. No matter who
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: they brought in, everybody made pitches. So the slogan for
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the Brewers this postseason is, win our way. What would
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: you say their way is? Because they did hit– Jackson
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Churio hit a huge homer. William Contreras hit some homers
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: for them, right? They did hit some huge home runs.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: So what is the Brewer way? What is our way
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: if you're a Brewers fan? And this isn't for Brewers fans. Kurt,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: this is for people that haven't ever really watched the
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Brewers until the Padres and now the Dodgers series.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think the Brewers are this, like, you know, bunt,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: small-ball team necessarily. Like, they don't have a ton of
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: home runs if you look at their season numbers. I
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: think their way and their method is controlling the strike zone,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: a really tough at-bat where you have to come to them,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: constantly having guys on base, giving themselves chance after chance.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: And then taking care of a lot of the little
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: things in the base running and in the field, which frankly,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I think they didn't do that very well in the
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Padres series. I know Mitchell made that catch in game four.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I know there was a couple other good defensive plays.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Jackson Churio reacting to a ball off a wire was,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was talked enough about the fact
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: that he caught the ball. He adjusted to it and
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: made the play because that ball is live. But I
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: didn't think the Brewers played great defense in the series.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: So they're not going to be able to play like that.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: beat the Dodgers. I didn't think they won their way
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: for the most part against the Padres. They just, they
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: did enough of the things that they do well and
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: scored enough against that really good lineup. So they're going
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: to have to do those little things and continue to
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: have excellent at-bats, whether, you know, Scooble's going to try
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: to get you to chase that changeup. You can't chase.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Blake Snell's gambit is getting you to chase his stuff.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: They can't chase. Like that's what it's going to boil
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: down to because frankly, they have to win their way.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Unless they have maybe two games in the series where
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: they hit three homers. And I just don't think that's
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: very likely.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: The Brewers, you're talking about their defense. They've made more
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: errors than any team in the postseason. Is that concerning?
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Is that a concerning thing? Is there pressure there? Is
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: there the, Murph's going to yell at me? Like, I
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: get it. Oh, they're fine in the regular season. But
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: now it's like, this is who we got and we're
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: going with it. Is there a concern moving forward with
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: how their defense has played most of the time?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think their defense is necessarily like this, you know,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: best in baseball unit that they've been in years past.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: There's a couple more weak spots, but I do think
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: on the whole, it is a good defense because I
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: got the sense a little bit early in game four,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: they're playing a little tight and then that was kind
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: of erased. So I wouldn't say I'm worried about it.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: You know, they have these 12 straight losses on the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: road in the playoffs and they come out and win
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: a really tight game in San Diego. Like this team,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the way they've played the whole year, I'm not going
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: to be concerned about their ability to bounce back and
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: play solid defense against the Dodgers. There's a couple of
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: weaker spots for sure on this defensive lineup. But on
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the whole, their ability to respond, their ability to bounce
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: back and play the way that they've played all year
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: has been remarkable. And so that's what feels different about
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: this club in particular. So I would say I'm only
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: like maybe a 3 or 4 out of 10 on
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: the concern about the defense. It's only that high just
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: because there was just some weird plays in that series.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Could we be having you on this show? Because the
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Brewers lost the series. Based on how close it was.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Or did you feel like the Brewers were clearly the
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: better team? And while all were close games, they dominated
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: the series like you need to to win the series.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. We could be doing a Brewers post-mortem right
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: now and talking about what's wrong with this team. Why
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: can't they win in the postseason? I mean, you would
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: have to be, you would have to be foolish to
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: say that there was no world in which the Padres
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: win this in four, or at the very least we're
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: going to game five tonight in Milwaukee, a ball hits
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: a wire. I thought it was going foul, but that
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: hit a wire, go and play. Ty France is a
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: good hitter too. Like if it goes fall, he got
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: another crack at it and something could bad could have
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: happened for the Brewers there.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Jackson.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Sure. I mean, you got to walk off against Mason Miller. Sure.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: They earned it. They earned it, but that game could
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: easily go a different direction. If you hit that ball
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: five feet to the, to the right. And then, you know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Manny Machado just misses a game tying Homer. So like the,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the margins in this series were so narrow because they
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: played both teams played at such a high level, but
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: absolutely the Padres could have won that series. I do
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: think though, like, you know, you, you watch, you watch
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: soccer and they talk about the team, they deserve to win.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: They had it coming. I thought the Brewers were the
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: better team on the whole. Like they hit the ball harder.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: They had more guys on base and, They their defense
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: was worse, but on the whole, it felt like, you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: like their runs were like they had them coming and
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the Padres got some really unlucky bounces. But I felt like,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: you know, you think about that game five, the Brewers
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: had a lot of chances to crack it open and
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: hit balls hard right at guys. And that's kind of
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: how the series felt.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Kurt, I mean, when we talked to the Brewers guys,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: they just kept saying over and over, we haven't played
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: our best baseball, whether it was Murph, whether it was Yelly,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: whoever you talk to on that team, they were like,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: we haven't played our best baseball. We haven't played our
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: best baseball. They're going to need their best baseball here
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: for the next seven games. However this Dodger series picks up,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: it's Miz for sure game one, Henderson for sure game two.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Do we know who game three is going to be?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Is it going to be one of those Murph all
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: hands on deck kind of things? In game four, Gasser, Drohan, Patrick, D.L. Hall,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: whoever's ready for three and four, is that how they're
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: going to play this? And also, by the way, no
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: one's better at this than Pat Murphy. Pat Murphy has
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: set up his guys to go multiple innings during the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: regular season, so now they're here, and Ashby can give
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: you three. Whoever you bring in from the bullpen, whether
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it's Patrick or D.L. Hall, they can give you multiple innings.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a masterful class by Murphy and
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the Brewers how they've set this team up.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, first I'll, I'll, I'll address the later part
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: of your question there with Murph. It felt like for
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: so much of the year, you know, when you're following
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: baseball every day, like, you know, media or, or the, the,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: the real big fans, like I'm sure if I'm listening does,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: there's so many little things over the course of the year,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: like you just want to nitpick them. And then we
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: get to this point where I'm just like, I I'll
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: criticize a move and then it'll work perfectly for, for
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Pat Murphy. And it's like, well, How are all these
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: moves working? It feels like I'm just not even going
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: to try to criticize it anymore because it's constantly working.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And along those lines, I would think Robert Gasser makes
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of sense for game three. He pitched great
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: down the stretch. And then I think that Padres game
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: was a huge test. Great lineup, great atmosphere. And that
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: place was rocking. 47,000 people. The team that drafted him
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: and they traded him. Like there could have been so
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: many things to get too juiced up and he settled
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: it down. got through four innings. I mean, AJ, man,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: what was it? What was Joey Ortiz doing in the
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: first inning? He had a double play. I don't know.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I don't have any idea. I don't forget how many
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: outs there were. I mean, he said.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: He didn't though. He said that because he ran toward
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the mound.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: El Gary was wearing him out in the dugout. We
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: showed it multiple times. And he said he just, I
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: think he was like, I was being smart. I was
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: being smart. And it didn't cost him. So I guess
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: he was being smart.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do not. Personally, I think that using your
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: God-given arm throwing to first base would have been pretty
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: smart there with one of the slower runners in baseball.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: But nevertheless, Robert Gasser buckled down and got through it.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: So I think you give Robert Gasser that start in
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the tough environment in Los Angeles. He's proven he can
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: handle that sort of environment. Now it's going to be
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: a really difficult matchup for him with some of the
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: guys that they can throw at you. But Yeah, 3-4-5
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: at Dodger Stadium is going to be tricky because you
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: don't have obvious answers for some of those games. Now,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: do you bring Miz out of the bullpen for one
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: of them? You might, but he's not going to start, like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: game four there. So this is what the Brewers are
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: going to have to sit down and they're going to
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: have to figure out. And, you know, for the most part,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: you feel confident in their ability to put some plans
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: together because obviously they have the guys at the back end,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: but then you just have, like, a plethora of options,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: whether it's DL Hall, Chad Patrick, Sanzatella, Jojo Romero, Shane Drone.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, you got to remember Shane Drone, Chad Patrick,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: and Kyle Harrison didn't even pitch against the Padres. Those guys,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: if they're on the roster, they're going to pitch against
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers in some capacity, but yeah, that's, that's going
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to be a mismatch when you're going in there and,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: you know, no, not to discredit the Brewers arms that
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: they have seen it all year. They're pretty dang good,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: but It's going to be a little bit of a
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: mismatch when you're going up against Yamamoto at Dodger Stadium.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: They're going to have to find some ways to scrap
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: out a win or two there.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Since all the Brewers fans hate AJ and they love me,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say AJ said this and not me.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: AJ said that the Brewers should have traded for Tarek Skubal.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Brewers fans don't need any more reason to have some
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: angst about, we've got to get to the World Series,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: got to, got to, got to. But they have always
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: stood behind their front office and saying, no, no, no,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: we should not have traded. Kurt Hogue even said, shouldn't
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: have traded, wouldn't be a great thing. Tarek Skubal beats
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: the Brewers in game one and the great Miz. Will
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: that be revisited by fans that were absolutely all over
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: AJ Brzezinski?
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Well, no, they're not going to back down on there.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, AJ hates the Brewers. They're not going to
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: back down from that at this point.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: True that.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Buddy, that narrative has locked away for a long time.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Even though I picked them to win the World Series from.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Beginning of the playoffs. I mean, they just really hate me.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: We could just turn this into, we could just turn
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: this into our episode of brewer territory for the week.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Like Corey and JP can get the episode off and
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: AJ can just spend time saying how much he loves
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the brewers to get back on the good side in Milwaukee.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know what else I can do.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Come on brewer territory and sing praises. I guess that's
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: about it. Come on. Whenever I'll have Corey set it up.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Kratzy to answer your question. I think, yes, this is
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: absolutely going to be revisited after this series, after Scooble starts.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I do think, though, you've got to have your answer
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: in place before this series begins. There's no buckling, no
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: going with the wind in however this series goes. You've
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: either got to say that was good process or it
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: was not good process. And honestly, if the Brewers had
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: been able to make the deal With the Tigers, if
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: the Tigers had accepted a non-Logan Henderson offer, whatever that
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: would have been, you know, Pena, Josh Adamshevsky, a couple
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: other arms, whatever. It didn't happen. But if they had, like,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I think the fact that the Brewers were playing in
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: those waters was even more uncomfortable than they usually are
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: in these deals. And this is exactly why. Because they
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: did not want Tarek Scooble on the other side. The
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: value that they saw in, oh, we get Scooble against
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: them instead of the other way around? The way that
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: would flip their odds. You know, they're running all these
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: things through the, the models and the numbers and whatnot.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: That was enough for them to, to say, okay, we
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: will do what the model says is a pretty big
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: overpay and something they never do. Um, and that's why
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: they made such a run at it. So should they,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: so I guess the question, yeah, should they have done
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Henderson plus someone? Um, my answer is no, no matter
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: how this series goes, because we've, you know, when you
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: see Logan Henderson's, we've got what, a 2.3 career ERA
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and 25, 30 starts. Um, I think you take six
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: years of that over the chaos of, of, you know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: one post season, but I'm not, I'm not willing to
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: rule out that, uh, you look back at this series
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: and you wonder, uh, what if?
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: So you got to say it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: You got to say it right now.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Was it good or bad?
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I'll say it right now. I mean, it wasn't– I
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: don't think it was good to not trade for Tarek Skubal.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: But it definitely wasn't bad.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't say that.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: It wasn't bad.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I thought they did everything right, Kurt. I thought they
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: should have not traded for Tarek. I thought they should
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: have just stuck with what they had.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Liar.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Liar.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: So I'll ask you a question, AJ. What do you
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: think the percent odds are that Logan Henderson outpitches Tarek
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Skubal in this series? They're not facing each other.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: They're not facing each other, so I don't really know.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: That's not a fair comparison. What if he can outperform
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: him without facing him?
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You know what would be real nice?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: If they could go Miz, Scooble, Henderson. That would have
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: been real nice.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: That would be fantastic.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Anyways. Anyways, I don't know, Kurt. But you know what?
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: It's going to be awesome game one in Milwaukee. I'm
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: not going to be there, so you don't have to
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: worry about big leagueing me again. I am going to
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: be rooting like heck for the Dodgers. So just everyone,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Milwaukee fans, clip it, even though I still picked the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Brewers to win the series and the World Series, for
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: that matter. So I don't know, Kurt. Thank you so much.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Check more of Kurt out on Brewer Territory. One day
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: he'll invite me on. I don't know. He probably won't,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: but that's okay. It's on YouTube and any pods. Follow
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the NLCS all the time, and also you can read
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: him in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.