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Let's get pods in here.
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What's happening, pods?
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Welcome to the show, brother.
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How's it going, guys?
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We're here.
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It's good.
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Don't talk too excited there, pods.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I I
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I'm so excited to be talking about mini camp and, you know, Joann Jennings.
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I'll get rid of him.
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I Alright.
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Here we Yeah.
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You you ain't bringing that fire.
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We don't need your pods.
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He's picking
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cally with his friends.
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There was some interesting stuff.
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I'm just I'm really curious to see how, you know, the offense is gonna gel this camp
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because I'm not worried about the defense in the slightest.
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I just I wanna see what production we're gonna get out of this Minnesota offense because,
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honestly, that's gonna be the determining factor on whether this team wins 11 or 12 games
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or they only win eight or nine games.
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, you don't got next to nothing out of the offense for a majority of the season
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last year, and you finished with nine wins.
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And I think you have a more dangerous defense this year that's gonna give your, I think
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you're going to have more short fields like you did in 2024 when Sam Darnold was lighting the
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league up and and you had a historic defense.
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And I think that's what a lot of people, you know, forget last year when all the talk was
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about, oh, we should have kept Darnold.
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Well, yeah, your defense didn't produce at the historic levels that they did the year before
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either.
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So it's much harder it's much harder to go eighty, ninety yards every single drive to
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score rather than 40 or 50 because your defense is turning the ball over 32 times in a season.
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Right?
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So I think that's something that gets lost.
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We're gonna talk about Juwan Jennings signing.
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We got some of the schedule being leaked a little bit there.
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We had rookie mini camp already.
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Of course, not a ton to talk about in that, but we got to see some of these guys on the field
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for the first time.
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here to talk some ball.
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But let's not bury the lead, man.
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Since we last talked, fellas, the Vikings signed wide receiver Juwan Jennings.
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How are we feeling about it?
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I like it.
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I I like it a lot.
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I think it's gonna add to the offense, making it already explosive, just that much more
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dangerous.
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I it all literally, we say this every year, but it comes down to that offensive line play.
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You know, they I, seen they made a couple switches at center and just on that front five.
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And so we'll
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have to see how they do.
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B, what do you think?
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Well, yeah.
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I mean, it it was a good signing.
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You know, Will it elevate the game of Jordan Addison and some of the guys behind Jefferson
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that, you know, hey.
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The Vikings are seriously bringing in talent to take our spots.
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I mean, we've talked about that too.
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Next guy up.
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But, again, like coach said, the offense is gonna flow around the offensive line.
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Can we block?
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Can we give the quarterback time?
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Can we open up a running game?
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You know, we know we know Jefferson's gonna get his, but somebody else has to take that
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pressure off of Jefferson to help get his.
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So it is gonna be pretty interesting.
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I'm glad they are making moves and not cheap moves.
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You know, they're bringing in people with talent.
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Mhmm.
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And not just bringing in people because they're bringing in people.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No.
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I, I I love the fact that, you know, we lost Jalen Naylor in, pre agency.
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And, I mean, Jawan Jennings is a pretty good replacement for Jawan Naylor.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Jordan Jordan Addison is a good replacement for Jawan Naylor.
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I think Jawan Jennings becomes your wide receiver too.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I agree.
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Are you know, this is a demotion for Jordan Addison.
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And I know they're not gonna come out and say that, but this is a guy that you can put on the
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field, all three downs, mister third down in San Francisco.
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He had over a 100 catches last year.
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He's a contested ball catcher.
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He can play outside.
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He can play inside.
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Maybe he doesn't have the speed on the outside that a Jordison Addison does, but, man, there's
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plenty other guys in the league that can run fast and drop balls.
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I feel like Brandon Ayuk is coughing somewhere, him and Nelson Agalor.
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Yeah.
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Facts.
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I Oh.
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Paz, what do you think about the the Jennings signing?
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I thought with losing Naylor, it was definitely a good addition because this might sound
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controversial, but people will say, well, you know, Jordan Addison, he's the number two
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receiver in Minnesota.
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Not really.
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Naylor played a more important role than Addison did.
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And in my opinion, you bring in a guy like Jawan Jennings, then you can maybe hide
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Addison's weaknesses a little better by putting him as maybe that go to slot guy or that gadget
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play kinda guy.
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Because I don't think Addison's starter material in terms of, like, always being out
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there for offensive packages.
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And he's very limited in growth, I think, because I feel like he doesn't have the right
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attitude in the league right now.
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And he's, like, trying to be Antonio Brown without a fraction of the talent.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Caught a lot of I caught a lot of heat last year saying that Addison was a wide receiver
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three, and a lot of people chimed in and and were giving me a hard time.
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But I think that's where he's, no.
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Steve, we've missed you too, brother.
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We appreciate it.
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Where have you been, Steve?
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Yeah.
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Danielle.
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Hi, Danielle.
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Congratulations.
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Congratulations, Danielle.
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Yeah.
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She had a big weekend.
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Graduated from college and Mother's Day.
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It it was it was all about my wife this weekend.
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So forgive me
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And the pool.
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Not being there on Saturday with you guys at the in the golf show, but you covered admirably
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pods.
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I appreciate that.
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You and Shady held it down just fine.
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And don't forget Adrian, bro.
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He did great too.
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Yeah.
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He well, and I told him, look.
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You're just gonna have to produce.
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You won't even have to be on camera.
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You don't have to do anything.
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It's been you guys kept on dragging him out there and asking him his opinion on things, but
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he said he had a great time.
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So I appreciate you guys, you know, holding down the fort for me.
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And that's really what is beautiful about the team that we've assembled.
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So shout out a big thank you from Danielle to everybody.
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I know she appreciates all the support that she gets from all of us at the network.
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No.
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So kinda getting back to, you know, what I was talking about.
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I think Jordan Addison is a is in a better position as your wide receiver three slot
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gadget guy.
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It fits his talent and his skill set better.
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Right?
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He's not a go up and get it player.
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Right?
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What is he five eleven, six foot probably on the program?
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But he plays smaller, I feel like, than his size.
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He he has the speed, but he he's not that outside boundary receiver that you need to play
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that position.
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And because of his inability to stay on the field because of stupid decisions that he makes
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off the field that you you can't trust them to be there.
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And to me, this one year signing that you got at a pretty good deal, 8,000,000 guaranteed,
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right, base salary with 5,000,000 in bonuses potentially, you got a freaking value at that
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wide receiver two position.
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Now granted a lot less I mean, this is less than the deal that San Francisco offered him.
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So I don't know if there was some hurt feelings from the Jennings camp as far as San Francisco
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and those relationships are concerned or if there's some talks that we're going to say,
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hey.
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We have a we have an opportunity for you to come in on kind of a prove it deal and then to
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maybe beat this guy out in a cash in big next year.
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We didn't necessarily have the money to offer him this year on that deal.
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But go out, shop around.
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I don't think there was a lot.
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Obviously, he was still on the market.
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So there wasn't a lot of people that were willing to give him that, you know, 15 to
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17,000,000 he's probably asking for.
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But to say, hey.
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We're gonna have a lot more cap space next year.
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You go ball out this year, make yourself a cool, you know, eight to 13, and next year,
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we'll we'd be willing to give you that wide receiver two money that you're looking for, and
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you get to play opposite, you know, Justin Jefferson for the next three to four years.
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May I chime in on this one?
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Go ahead, Pods.
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Me too.
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Okay.
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So, coach, I think me and you are thinking a little similarly, but I'm gonna try and get it
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across in layman terms before he goes all football encyclopedia on us.
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So Nah.
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Cool.
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Basically, going on just, like, the budget side of it, if Jennings can come in and prove that
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he's a legitimate too and can work side by side with Jefferson and be productive and also be
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available and keep his nose and all his business to himself and not have it all out and
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suspensions and stupid social media crap.
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You know?
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It'll be great because then you can cut Jordan Addison if he, quite frankly, lays an egg this
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year.
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You have more cap space to offer him that kind of money, and then you can bring in that wide
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receiver three guy out of the draft and hopefully have him work into being year two or
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three or year two or one depending on how the next contract cycle goes with Jefferson.
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Because I think Addison's not worth the money for the distractions and the lack of
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availability when you can get a guy who's proven he can do it in Jennings.
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And I have no, you know, doubts that he can do it in Minnesota.
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I just don't think that the numbers will necessarily tell the whole story because I
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don't know what the quarterback play is gonna look like.
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But I doubt Jennings is gonna drop the ball nearly as much as Addison, and he's not gonna
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get stupid penalties in stupid situations.
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Well and I think I think there's elements to his game.
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I mean, he's the best blocking wide receiver in the league.
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A lot of people are touting him as.
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Right?
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He's a big body.
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He's willing to get in there and get his nose dirty.
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And I think what you add in that side, and maybe that's a reason why this team didn't run
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the ball a lot last year or in prior years because you don't
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They had nobody who could block upfield.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that can definitely be a a reason that you're not breaking these 50 yarders.
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You don't you don't have it on there.
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And, Norsvios, what up, buddy?
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We missed you the last
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couple of years.
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Nice to have you back, man.
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No.
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I think I gotta hear what coach thinks.
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I well, I we were kinda on the same thing.
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When you said, financially, I was like, oh.
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But I just love it how we see the signing right away.
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Me and Big B, I was on your side for a minute.
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But, like, just the Vikings not making a move, but not having it be a cheap move.
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Like, at first, we're like, oh, shit.
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That's pretty cool.
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But then then finding out that he ended up taking a lower offer than San Fran, like, we
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ended up still finding a way to be cheap.
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Like, I just I love it.
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I think it's funny.
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Do you
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think that's the Rob b, you know, influence now in that front office is not just being the
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capologist behind several other decision makers, but having that authority in the room
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right now to say, look, man.
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We are gonna stick to our guns on this because you saw it with some of the other signings and
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and some of the moves that they made in house, the Hawkinson restructuring and other things in
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there where he wasn't going out and throwing money at anybody and was more than willing to
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to to wait it out.
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Right.
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Right.
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No.
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I I I think he's that's got something to do with it.
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You know, just being that much closer to the top and being able to make those type of
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decisions rather than, well, it doesn't really matter what the hell I say.
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There I got seven people ahead of me.
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You know?
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I actually I'm looking at this from a different angle.
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You know, Big B said, you know, last year, Jefferson got his.
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You know, Jefferson's probably gonna get his again this year.
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Yep.
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But, like, he damn near got his last year.
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Yeah.
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You know what I'm saying?
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And so, like, yeah, we have him on on your contract for, what, for four or five more years
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after this one.
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But if he has another year like last one, he might just try to force his way out.
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And so this might be like a, Addison, do you have that dog in you when we bring in someone
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who's gonna push you and potentially take your spot?
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Are you gonna fold?
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Are you gonna buck the hell up?
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Or is it like, hey.
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This is an extra insurance policy and and, like, just in case Jefferson gets pissed off
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this year?
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That's a good one.
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That is a very
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good one.
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I mean, you're you're right, coach.
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I mean, it took, what, week seven or sixteen or 17 for Jefferson to get a thousand yards.
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I mean, you know and that's the thing I'm saying is, you know, Jennings is gonna bring
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that other side and, you know, is Jordan Addison gonna step up and be like, okay.
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I'm now demoted to number three, which, again, like Bubba said, might suit him a little bit
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better because if I recall, the longest touchdown play we had this year was Addison's
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run.
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Come on.
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Yep.
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You know, so that might help out the whole game.
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Again, we've also said that KLC does not like to run the ball as much as he should, which
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again, we need to figure something out there.
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We need a balance there.
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But, yeah, I'm I'm with you, coach.
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You know, Jordan Jefferson has another year.
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You know, let's I I I guess if we struggle and and Jefferson doesn't get his, he'll push
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himself out.
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But if we're in the playoffs, if we're a top team and, you know, let's say he only has just
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over a thousand yards but has some touchdowns, you know, winning cures all, coach.
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You know that.
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You know?
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So
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so again, if we're winning in playoffs and and and knock on the door of the Super Bowl, maybe
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Jefferson's like, okay.
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You know, we were building something here.
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Let's keep building and
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Run it back.
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See here.
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But if we struggle, I could definitely see JJ saying, hey.
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I'm I'm done.
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You guys move your way.
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I'm gonna move my way.
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Go get a ring somewhere else.
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I just don't I just don't think he's that guy.
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And that's not to say that he's gonna ride or die this thing out his whole career, but I just
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don't see him as the kind of player like a, you know, a TO back in the day, right, that he's
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gonna force his way out.
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I don't see him ever be in that.
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You know, obviously, he's a guy that plays with his heart on his sleeve.
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It's easy to tell when he's disappointed.
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You never want your star player, but he's a better leader than that.
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And I think as a man and just as a, you know, as a player, that that's not who he is.
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Now I think he may exert a little bit of that, you know, star power behind the scenes in
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personal conversations and say, hey, man.
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What right?
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Like, what
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are we doing?
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Right?
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But I I think you Steve says he misses all of us trashing him short round.
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And and, Steve, we're gonna
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talk Don't about talk to stupid.
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I'll take you.
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On the draft since
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to, you know, to cover that and Norsevious.
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I'm gonna keep your comments kinda in here too.
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We'll get off the wide receiver talk.
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We will talk a little bit because we have missed you guys.
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Love to get your thoughts on it.
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To be perfectly honest, Steve, I didn't pay attention to Green Bay's draft at all.
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Did you guys get a punter in the third round?
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I'm assuming that's why you
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No.
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That was a personal world pick.
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First round.
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No.
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But I I think this is a big move in much the same way that the Kyler Murray signing is
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applying pressure to JJ McCarthy.
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I see the Juwan Jennings signing in a lot of the same way.
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Now, you know, a lot of people, obviously, Kyler, they're in a lot of talk about QB
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competition, and I got that kinda lined up here too as more news comes out and the Vikings are
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definitely pushing that narrative that it isn't competition.
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Competition's good.
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Right?
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And whether you believe that Kyler Murray is the guy and is better than JJ McCarthy, you
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wanna put pressure on somebody that has the makeup and what you believe are the physical
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tools to then show up and put the work in and deliver on that promise.
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You're a tenth overall pick.
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Deliver on that.
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In much the same way that you're coming to Jordan Addison now and going, hey, man.
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This guy was selected in the fifth fifth round with Juwan Jennings.
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Right?
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Fifth or or later.
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So a late round pick, a guy that has made his hay in this league by being a guy that's gonna
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go out there and do the dirty work and to make those contested catches, to be that blocking,
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and to make it.
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Now you're you know, that first round selection only means something in the paycheck on that
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first contract.
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After that, nobody gives a shit.
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And I think Jordan Addison needs to take a long look in the mirror this year and to go, you
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know what?
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If I wanna play in this league and get paid, then then I need to start performing because
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what he put on tape last year was trash.
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Let's just be perfectly honest, man.
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You dropped a couple of touchdown passes.
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You didn't look effective out there at all besides your one touchdown run on Christmas
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day.
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So I think
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Hey, man.
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I don't wanna say this.
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What's that?
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I don't wanna say this, but this is kind of a trend now for the last three wide receivers
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that have come out of USC.
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So
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that kinda makes me worry
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about Makai Lemmon's attitude and how he's gonna be.
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But but it's also who who is who is he around?
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I mean, you know and does he want to improve and be better?
25:31
You know?
25:31
So, I mean, that's another thing too where Oh, wow.
25:42
Man, I have I have missed you, Norse.
25:44
Appreciate it.
25:46
I think there is, you know, pressure pressure makes diamonds or it crushes them.
25:51
Right?
25:51
And and that's where we're gonna find out who JJ McCarthy is as a man this year.
25:57
And if he stumbles and he can't rise up to the occasion and I think there's a way for him to
26:02
to play even if he's QB two all year.
26:06
If he's showing improvement behind the scenes with his coaching staff, it may be enough for
26:12
him to learn the system and to get these and to show enough in there that even if Kyler balls
26:18
out this year, the guy's gonna want $3,540,000,000 dollars next year.
26:23
I don't think the Vikings as an organization are going to cough up that money for a 30 year
26:28
old quarterback who had one good year with, you know, the hall of fame talent on the outside.
26:34
Right?
26:34
So I I I don't think they're gonna do it.
26:37
So even if Kyler starts all year, you're hoping JJ McCarthy shows enough behind the scenes to
26:44
to give him that fifth year option, to give him another chance in year four to go out and be
26:50
the man and to go out there.
26:52
And it's, honestly, it would be a business decision.
26:54
Like I've said before on this show, best case scenario for this team is that JJ McCarthy is
27:00
your starter long term.
27:02
Right?
27:02
Whether you believe in the kid or not for this organization, that is the best case scenario.
27:07
You almost hope he doesn't so you that you can sign him to a long term deal, and you only have
27:11
to pay him maybe 22 to 26,000,000 as your starting quarterback, which would be a freaking
27:17
value at that position
27:18
Oh, yeah.
27:19
Which allows you to go out and spend money in other areas to ultimately make the team that
27:23
much better.
27:24
But, you know, I I they they've been throwing out the word competition around this
27:29
quarterback room the entire time.
27:32
Whether you believe it or not, they want JJ McCarthy to believe that, and I think that's
27:37
the most important thing.
27:39
Love I love it.
27:40
I love comp I love competition, especially with my teams.
27:45
That gives me that that gives me a chance to really evaluate not only talent, but, how how a
27:53
person responds.
27:54
You know?
27:55
Do do they have that that dog in them, or are they just gonna fold?
27:59
And if you're gonna fold, you're not gonna last long on my team.
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I I just can't have that.
28:07
What's up, Paz?
28:09
Coach.
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Yeah.
28:11
That is the best case scenario is what he just said.
28:14
That would be great if JJ turns into the guy.
28:17
But here's the scenario you were possibly looking at too.
28:22
Say, Kyler does come in and balls out.
28:25
Say, you guys get to the playoffs to the divisional round.
28:28
Mhmm.
28:30
And say, Kyler is a huge reason why that happens.
28:34
Mhmm.
28:35
And you don't sign him because you don't wanna pay that kind of money and he goes somewhere
28:39
else.
28:40
Mhmm.
28:40
Not saying he's gonna win the Super Bowl like Sam Darnold, but if he goes there and plays
28:44
well that season and JJ doesn't perform, you're gonna have, holy shit.
28:50
We just got Sam Darnold two years in a row.
28:53
That that is one thing I am, like, 90% afraid of because the other 10% is that Kyle Murray
29:02
balls out, we pay him, and then year two here, he stinks it up.
29:06
So that's the other 10%.
29:07
But the 90% is just what Paz just laid out.
29:10
If he balls out, he wants money.
29:12
We're like, no.
29:13
We we got JJ.
29:14
We're gonna move on, and we have a repeat of twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six.
29:19
And Kyle Murray goes and you know, let's say he makes a good run-in the playoffs.
29:23
Let's not even say Super Bowl.
29:25
Paz just laid it out.
29:26
Everybody's gonna be like, hey.
29:28
We just lost San Bruno too.
29:31
The coaching staff will be or offensive side, the coaching staff will be gone.
29:36
Defensive side, it'll depend on how they're doing.
29:38
And, you know, so but that's what I'm afraid of is that we're gonna either, you know, get a
29:44
good Murray.
29:45
We're gonna sign him because we think he's the future.
29:48
Give JJ another year under his belt, and your two calamari is gonna fail, or we're not gonna
29:54
sign him and he's gonna go somewhere else and just ball out.
29:57
Yeah.
29:57
It is almost a no I mean, if you don't produce next year, regardless of what happens this
30:04
year, if you don't produce, it's a problem for everybody.
30:08
Right?
30:09
It's a problem for that offensive coaching staff.
30:12
Yep.
30:13
It is it was necessary to get someone in here that could apply that pressure from the back
30:21
and whether it it may be pressure from the front, right, to give JJ McCarthy something to
30:26
live up to.
30:27
You know, a lot of people were talking about JJ McCarthy starting over Sam Darnold in his
30:32
rookie year.
30:33
Right?
30:33
And and it it seemed like until his injury that that was going to be the case.
30:38
So, I mean, revisionist history kinda looking back and now looking at, you know, Sam Darnold
30:43
hosting hoisting the Lombardi in February.
30:48
You know, it's easy to have twenty twenty hindsight.
30:52
Right?
30:53
It's easy to look and go, oh, you should have done this.
30:55
You should have done that.
30:57
Ultimately, teams do not fall completely on the quarterback's shoulders.
31:03
Right?
31:04
I would say that that Seattle team was built to win with anyone playing competent quarterback.
31:10
Right?
31:11
I think there's a lot of guys that probably coulda led that team into that Super Bowl.
31:17
It just happened to be Sam Darnold, and that negatively reflects on the team that we root
31:22
for.
31:23
I think the chances of Kyler Murray, one balling out this year, getting let go, and then
31:28
balling out the next year and having, playoff success, I I think you're looking at something
31:33
that's maybe in, like, a twentieth percentile of that whole scenario playing out like that
31:38
again, maybe less.
31:39
Right?
31:40
There's no guarantees that that happens.
31:42
Well, Sam Darnold not getting signed and then immediately going and winning the Super Bowl
31:47
with Seattle is probably in the point five percentile.
31:51
Yep.
31:52
And then you add in the fact that, you know, we also get let, Danny Danny Dimes walk away, and
31:59
he's what he starts eight and one.
32:01
That's gotta be, like, point two.
32:02
You feel what mean?
32:03
Like
32:04
Well and
32:05
Well, yeah.
32:05
Both of them are That's
32:06
why your GM got fired.
32:07
Right?
32:08
That that Yeah.
32:09
In the mess that it was and counting your chickens before they hatched with the Daniel
32:14
Jones and with whatever that they were feeding him.
32:16
And, you know, we don't know what happened behind the scenes there, but that's why the man
32:20
lost his job.
32:22
Steve, I don't know any of these guys.
32:23
So I guess take that.
32:25
You drafted a a kicker from Florida.
32:27
Okay.
32:28
We we got a a probably generational talent.
32:32
He said take that.
32:33
Yeah.
32:34
We we we appreciate you.
32:36
I I don't know why you needed all those, cornerbacks, obviously.
32:40
Oh, what was the guy's name they got from, Dallas at the end of the year?
32:44
He didn't work out?
32:45
Dick.
32:46
Yeah.
32:48
That's that's too bad.
32:49
That's not too bad.
32:50
You have beat by the bears?
32:52
He was out for the season in, like, game two.
32:54
Here's the one thing.
32:55
Playoffs?
32:56
Damn.
32:57
Yeah.
32:57
Bears in the playoffs should be a very common thing, unfortunately.
33:00
Have been that must have been tough.
33:01
I I'm not buying that smoke either.
33:04
We'll we'll see what happens to that team this year.
33:07
Like I said, I'm not saying they're gonna suck, but we'll see.
33:11
So I forgot where we're getting to the track.
33:16
Oh, the quarterback.
33:18
I mean, yeah, we had Donald left.
33:22
I thought they were gonna resign Danny Dimes.
33:24
Of course, both of them go elsewhere and 46.
33:28
For half of for half of the season, they're probably leading the MVP talk to them what
33:34
they're doing.
33:35
So, I mean, that doesn't look
33:36
good either.
33:37
Oh, that's crazy.
33:39
So
33:39
Yeah.
33:39
And and it sucks that he blows out his Achilles because you don't see what what happens to the
33:45
player after that.
33:46
Oh, they could they changed the colts here.
33:49
They they could have slid with him in there too.
33:52
Right?
33:52
There's no telling out things.
33:53
Like, it's easy to look back at, oh, they would they would have won the Super Bowl if he would
33:56
have stayed healthy.
33:57
Like, you you you can't make that call.
34:00
Football's a a funny game.
34:02
So it it's it's easy to look at half a season and to go, you know
34:10
You know what, though?
34:11
I think it's reasonable to say they probably would have at least made the wild card had he
34:15
stayed healthy.
34:16
Oh, they would
34:17
have been Like the Colts?
34:19
Yeah.
34:19
Yes.
34:19
Oh, yeah.
34:20
Oh, yeah.
34:20
I know.
34:21
They would have been in the playoffs.
34:22
Two more games.
34:23
Three more games.
34:24
Yeah.
34:24
Coach, here's the I know we said we're done talking about the wide receiver, but I just
34:29
wanna talk about this from an availability standpoint, from a roster standpoint, is it
34:35
wouldn't be so bad for Addison if he was just suffering, you know, a little bit of on field
34:42
performance stuff because that can always be fixed with training and stuff if he wants to
34:47
take it seriously.
34:48
It's the off the field antics and stuff that just get me riled up because it's like, you're
34:57
costing this offense and how limited it already is because your running game was nonexistent.
35:06
And you're costing you're potentially hurting it by not being available.
35:10
Jordan Nattis, he cost us the playoffs last year.
35:12
If he's
35:13
in one of those six games
35:14
at the beginning of the year, you're not telling me that they win one of those games, a
35:18
couple of them being close ones with Carson or with Carson Wentz leading that offense.
35:23
You're you're telling me that they don't get one more win.
35:25
One more win, they're in the playoffs and Green Bay's out.
35:28
So, you know, it is it is yeah.
35:32
Mean Even if he has a good year, is he worse the is he worth the headache?
35:37
I mean I said cut him last year.
35:39
Yeah.
35:40
At this point on
35:41
our our last half of the season of coverage, but I was saying get rid of him.
35:44
Cut him.
35:45
How many
35:45
how many years
35:46
does he
35:46
have left on his deal?
35:48
He they just they just exercised his fifth year option, which is a business move.
35:53
To to me, it's not necessarily it's saying that we're gonna exercise this so that if you do
35:59
ball out this year, we have an out.
36:01
And the Jawan Jennings signing to me signals that even more so.
36:05
We have an out.
36:06
If you Is
36:07
he still eligible to be traded on his fifth option?
36:11
Oh, yeah.
36:11
There there's no
36:12
way.
36:12
Hell yeah.
36:13
Okay.
36:14
Because here's what I think.
36:15
I think instead of cutting him, if he's continues to have the issues that he has, you
36:21
know, on the field before the off the field issues can even become a problem, I try to
36:27
trade him for, like, a fourth or a fifth round draft pick.
36:31
Get something out of it.
36:32
Yeah.
36:33
I agree.
36:34
To the
36:34
I trade with the Saint Paul Bears for a ball boy to be named later.
36:41
Like, I I feel like if this Addison situation by week seven, week eight looks like it's not
36:46
gonna
36:47
He's gotta make it to training camp, man.
36:49
Like, let's
36:50
I know.
36:50
But I'm just saying.
36:51
Couple months before, you know, and that's what worries me.
36:54
And and you don't want as an organization to have to worry about a player like that.
36:59
You you just the I and I think this is all signaling exactly that, that we're done with
37:05
your bullshit.
37:06
Right?
37:06
Yep.
37:07
We're done with it.
37:08
We got a guy because
37:08
I mean, college wide receiver ranks are so deep that you can be replaced next year.
37:13
Yeah.
37:13
It's not a problem.
37:15
The talent that you have in preseason.
37:18
I mean
37:18
He could be.
37:20
I mean, we also drafted Vikings also drafted I gotta think of a guy last year that kinda just
37:26
hung out at the fifth receiver.
37:28
Ty Fulton.
37:29
Ty Fulton.
37:29
Yeah.
37:30
So, I mean, again, he's gotta worry about the people behind him just as much as he gotta
37:35
worry about the person we just signed.
37:37
So I just with this whole thing with Addison, I just wish that either you get a, you know, a
37:41
fourth or fifth for him or you find some way to get some compensatory picks from this because
37:47
was just so terrible to come away with nothing.
37:50
That's all
37:50
this trouble.
37:51
We said that last year.
37:53
Yeah.
37:53
But the only
37:53
thing is that the tape that he put on last year was so abysmal that no the value is just not
38:00
there.
38:00
And that's why you're almost your hand is forced into getting the fifth year option
38:05
because then that gives you that extra year of control that you're potentially trading.
38:10
Right?
38:10
Like, that's the
38:11
best year
38:11
of trading.
38:12
Yeah.
38:12
He has to go and ball out and show that still not
38:16
has to really ball out.
38:17
I mean, like, 1,300 yards ball out.
38:20
Oh, that that's gonna
38:23
be tough.
38:24
If you're gonna be that much of a problem, you better be putting up some big ass numbers.
38:27
Well, no.
38:28
No.
38:28
He's not he's not even putting up numbers.
38:30
Five, eight hundred and six TDs, 807.
38:33
Like Yeah.
38:34
At least 800 yards.
38:36
But Yeah.
38:37
Jefferson's gonna take a punch that.
38:39
Hockenson's gonna take a bite.
38:40
There's just not enough love to go around.
38:42
Hockenson?
38:43
Hockinson can barely get five yards down the field.
38:46
I Well and
38:47
But but but the thing is is, you know, Jenny's coming in.
38:50
He's gonna take a bulk of that.
38:52
So, I mean, coach is right.
38:53
You gotta go, like and and I wouldn't even put total yards because they're gonna use him as a
38:58
as a runner too.
38:59
So you
39:00
get you get between six
39:02
to 800 wide receiver number two numbers.
39:05
Give me give me at least 750 yards, and give me five to seven touchdowns.
39:11
Yeah.
39:12
I I I would agree that.
39:14
I mean, you know, touchdowns might be a little high depending on how the offense goes, but, I
39:20
mean, yeah, he's gotta he's gotta be close
39:22
where he would get the bulk of his his touchdowns, though.
39:25
I feel like if he's gonna be competent too Yeah.
39:28
He's gonna be, like, 30 yards and in.
39:30
Yep.
39:31
Yep.
39:31
Yep.
39:31
I I totally agree with that.
39:33
Because the one's gonna get anything that's, you know, fifty, sixty yards all the way to
39:39
fifteen and ten yards.
39:40
Yeah.
39:42
So, like, we need that middle of the field Yep.
39:47
Kinda player.
39:48
And he just he's shown he can get into the middle of the field, but he hasn't shown that
39:52
he can maintain possession of the ball.
39:54
And he's not shown that he's mature enough to know the situation and what's going on in a
39:59
game.
39:59
We have literally watched the guy celebrate and cost the team a win.
40:03
Yep.
40:04
Because they were in the two minute drill, and he wanted to get his Instagram shot in.
40:07
Yep.
40:09
You know?
40:10
And and the thing is is the Vikings have had people before that have had holding on to the
40:15
ball problems, aka Adrian Peterson in his younger days.
40:22
I mean, they worked hard on him.
40:23
Because He's now going in as ring of honor this year, so congrats to him.
40:28
But, I mean,
40:29
we're definitely gonna work on it.
40:30
That up, Pete.
40:32
I didn't have it on the on the list, but I I definitely should have.
40:36
We would be remiss if we didn't talk about AP a little bit, and maybe it's a good time to
40:41
get inducted into the ring of honor.
40:43
Yeah.
40:44
Favorite AP memory, B.
40:46
Go.
40:47
Oh, come obviously, come there's two.
40:50
The one game where he was, like, four yards away from breaking the all time game on a
40:55
rushing record, I guess, the chargers, I believe.
40:59
But, honestly, they're coming back from his ACL first play of the game, 98 or 99 yards.
41:06
They took it to the house on the first play of the year, which I believe led him to his MVP
41:11
year.
41:12
So those are definitely my two things that stuck out to me when it comes to AP.
41:21
Coach?
41:22
Mhmm.
41:23
My favorite AP moment.
41:26
I think Brett Favre was quarterback.
41:29
We were playing the Pittsburgh Steelers, and he AP just comes out of the backfield, runs like
41:36
it up and out.
41:38
Favre hits him.
41:39
AP catches the ball, immediately trucks the defender.
41:43
I think it was Ike Taylor, but just buried that dude.
41:47
That was that was awesome right there.
41:49
Just seeing, like, didn't even expect it, didn't even know he was there, maybe
41:55
anticipated that he was gonna get hit over the middle, but, like, he didn't budge, he didn't
42:00
back up, he didn't give up any ground.
42:02
He buried that guy.
42:03
That was amazing.
42:04
That was by far the best.
42:08
Pods, you got one?
42:09
I do.
42:12
It's not a pro one, though.
42:13
I remember watching him play in Oklahoma, and he was playing against KU.
42:18
So I got to see him play twice a year at KU in Kansas State.
42:21
And I remember he broke a tackle on the left edge, and this safety was coming in to get him
42:29
on the sideline.
42:30
He just stiff armed him and broke it for, like, 50 yards, and the Sooners ended up blowing out
42:36
the Jayhawks.
42:36
Like, I think it was, like, 48 to, like, six.
42:41
It was just remember, it was like watching a man among boys, watching Adrian Peterson just
42:47
run people over.
42:48
Yeah.
42:49
Speaking of that, I spent all of AP's career, watching in in navy and burnt orange.
42:55
So I don't have any good memories of AP, to be perfectly honest.
42:59
Dude dude for
43:00
No.
43:01
You you have a couple good memories.
43:02
I mean, you know, I mean, he he balled out against the bears.
43:06
That's just one.
43:06
Exactly.
43:07
Yeah.
43:07
It just but they they weren't, like, good feelings that I was having in the moment.
43:11
I'm just like, dude, this guy again?
43:13
But you you guys had that kryptonite, that Charles Tillman with that peanut punch.
43:19
Oh, man.
43:20
But he still got his yards.
43:22
He still got
43:23
his yards.
43:23
Maybe didn't have a, you know, as many as he should've or or that.
43:28
But, yeah, what a player, man.
43:31
What a player.
43:31
What a man as well.
43:33
Never If
43:34
Aaron Rogers owns the bears, then Adrian Peterson owns the bears when it comes to the
43:39
dates
43:39
you've spoken.
43:40
Yeah.
43:40
There he he was, you know, assistant GM of that team or GM of that team.
43:45
If if if Rogers is the owner, he he's the GM, for sure.
43:51
You guys sound off in the comments, your favorite AP memory there.
43:55
We're gonna see if we can get nice.
43:57
We got Norse.
43:57
Norse is gonna jump in and join us too.
43:59
I'm shoot him up link.
44:02
One moment.
44:03
Wanna hear Steven's best AP moment.
44:07
He'll be the Packers fan.
44:10
Yeah.
44:10
Steve, you still with us?
44:11
We wanna know your favorite AP moment.
44:14
Oh, Steve.
44:15
That's true.
44:15
In the
44:15
chat, we we'd love to hear it.
44:17
Just a huge congratulations.
44:19
To be named into the ring of honor on this team, which I think everyone saw coming.
44:23
I I don't think there's anyone that's surprised by the move necessarily, but to
44:28
to not I'm not surprised.
44:30
I I thought maybe his off field personal stuff might have halted him a little bit to get in,
44:37
but I'm I'm glad he's there.
44:39
I I He a He disciplined a kid.
44:42
Well, no.
44:42
And I get that, but that's you know, it is not the way the world works these days.
44:48
So That's not like I'm glad he got in.
44:50
Don't get me wrong.
44:50
I mean, I'm glad he got in.
44:52
You know?
44:52
So
44:53
Yeah, coach.
44:54
You don't use the switch.
44:55
You just use a freaking hitting sled.
44:57
You feel me?
45:01
Well, it's like,
45:02
of hitting the switch, you're like, here.
45:03
Hit the sled
45:04
again.
45:04
Again.
45:06
Again.
45:06
Again.
45:07
There's our guy.
45:08
Awesome.
45:09
Norse Fias.
45:10
Welcome in, brother.
45:11
Good to have you, man.
45:14
I love that backdrop.
45:15
I'm not gonna lie.
45:16
I love that backdrop.
45:19
Can you hear us, Norse?
45:22
Uh-oh.
45:23
Oh, we got you.
45:23
Uh-oh.
45:27
I'm gonna say that
45:27
I'm gonna give a AP memory.
45:29
Go.
45:31
Dang.
45:33
Hang on a second.
45:34
I'll be right back.
45:35
Okay.
45:35
Alright.
45:36
Let me get to a better place.
45:38
No worries.
45:38
No worries.
45:39
Here.
45:39
Hold on.
45:40
I got one from his pro days.
45:41
It's a little bit
45:42
of an underrated one, and it wasn't even like I think I think
45:44
Normie is find a dark vader with the purple and gold jersey on.
45:49
I think my favorite AP pro moment was the year after he came back from his ACL.
45:57
And I think it was, like, after the 99 yard bomb, it was, like, the second or third series
46:02
they were out there.
46:04
And dude just hit the hole, planted his leg, and just trucked the inside linebacker to the
46:09
ground while picking up, like, eight yards.
46:11
And I'm just like, oh, he don't give a crap.
46:13
He's not scared to run this ball at all right now.
46:16
He here today,
46:16
he's timidness.
46:18
He's like, I'm gonna make sure that you're eating floor and turf by
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the end
46:22
of this.
46:23
Yep.
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Alright.
46:27
Norris, you there?
46:29
Am I back?
46:30
Oh, yeah.
46:30
You're here.
46:31
We
46:32
got you.
46:32
Alright.
46:33
Cool.
46:34
I'm on the garage now.
46:35
I got better service.
46:40
Man.
46:40
What's
46:40
your favorite Adrian Peterson memory?
46:45
I remember him just shoving down that d b against Cleveland.
46:53
Like, get off me.
46:55
You're on my train tracks, boy.
46:57
Yep.
46:58
But then again, there was also the February game too against the Chargers where in the
47:04
first in the first half, he didn't have hardly anything.
47:08
He had, like, 48 yards or something like that.
47:11
If that
47:12
Yeah.
47:12
That's true.
47:17
But big b, I wanted you said something about the the the Vader thing.
47:22
I wanna tell you guys, the story behind my name and the whole, blue and red thing.
47:33
Okay.
47:34
Okay.
47:35
It was it it comes from, you know, the movie The Matrix.
47:40
Yep.
47:41
Morpheus, the character, where everybody knows where he holds out a red pill and a blue pill.
47:47
And
47:47
Okay.
47:48
Keanu Reeves takes the red pill.
47:50
Well, I figured I'd morph that into, you know, of course, Norsfias while offering a red and a
48:00
blue pill.
48:01
But There you go.
48:02
What color do you what color do you get when you take both a red and a blue pill?
48:08
Purple.
48:08
Purple.
48:11
There you go.
48:12
That's the story of me.
48:14
No.
48:15
And and now that I see it, I I see it wasn't made there, and apologize.
48:19
But yeah.
48:19
No.
48:19
Was just you know, I think the guy would look cool in a purple and gold, jersey there.
48:25
But
48:28
so Oh, man.
48:30
What did you think about, what did you think about the Joann Jennings signing?
48:34
Am I breaking up again?
48:36
No.
48:36
You're good.
48:36
We got you.
48:39
Okay.
48:41
What did you think
48:42
about the Jennings going on tonight, boys?
48:46
So what what what
48:47
You know what?
48:47
I I don't think there's a I don't think they could have gotten a better number three
48:55
receiver.
48:56
There's nobody else out there.
48:58
Two receiver, Norse.
49:00
Number two.
49:03
Yeah.
49:04
He's he's really you know how I don't know if you watched, like, the Purple Daily guys where
49:09
Thor talks something.
49:10
He may he made a really good point.
49:13
He wanted Scottie Pippen money, but he's not Scottie Pippen.
49:18
He's he's Dennis Rodman.
49:20
And I I really like that analogy.
49:22
I mean
49:22
Yeah.
49:23
But Addison ain't Scottie Pippen either.
49:25
So
49:29
Yeah.
49:29
And and even, you know, to go a little further, I mean, their wide receivers went down.
49:35
So he he did have to step up to be their number one receiver.
49:38
Yeah.
49:40
Over a 100 catches.
49:43
I I I I love the pick.
49:46
I I mean, I love the signing for sure.
49:49
And he's if if O'Connell does what he says, which he has not proven yet, they're gonna run
49:58
the ball more, I hope, with Frank Smith coming from Miami, who was a strong run game
50:06
coordinator.
50:09
We might just have something there because he's a he's he's an excellent blocker out on the
50:18
outside.
50:18
He really is.
50:21
Hey.
50:21
Since you're on with us, Norsvias, Steve asked who's going to throw him or them the ball?
50:30
Alright.
50:31
Here's my thing.
50:33
I mean, I'm a 100% JJ McCarthy.
50:38
And True.
50:38
And the reason for this is, you know, I'm not a Michigan fan.
50:42
I'm a Minnesota and a Notre Dame fan.
50:46
I mean, my mom is 100% Irish.
50:49
So you know?
50:50
But yeah.
50:53
But here here's where I stand.
50:56
It behooves the Vikings.
51:00
I mean, he's 23.
51:01
He's 23 years old.
51:03
He's only had 10 games.
51:05
And and I I don't really wanna hear of all the you know, where I've been on other shows where,
51:11
well, he can't stay healthy.
51:12
He can't stay healthy.
51:14
Well, get an offensive a competent offensive line in front of him instead of 23 combinations
51:22
in front of him, and then he might just stay healthy, and he will prove it to you.
51:29
Yeah.
51:29
Yeah.
51:30
Absolutely.
51:31
How do you so I
51:32
On the other side of it, I I do know the politics involved where I don't think they
51:39
signed Kyler without giving him the initial head nod to be the number one.
51:47
But Steve?
51:47
If if if everything goes every have been
51:50
calling him short round.
51:54
Uh-oh.
51:55
Sorry, Bubba.
51:56
I can hear you.
51:56
Cut you off.
52:02
I love it.
52:03
I I I missed I missed what you just said, man.
52:06
You cut off on my end.
52:08
No.
52:08
Steve Steve was keeps calling, keeps calling coach Cody short round.
52:12
I was telling him that, Cody's gonna drive across the border and come kick his ass if he
52:16
keeps that up.
52:19
I don't think Steve actually lives in Wisconsin.
52:22
I think Steve lives in another state.
52:24
Forever to kick his ass.
52:25
It's all good.
52:27
Dask him, asshole that we're coming.
52:33
No.
52:33
Norse, I had
52:33
I to don't Go ahead.
52:36
Go ahead.
52:37
Go ahead.
52:37
I'm sorry.
52:38
No.
52:38
You're good.
52:38
Go ahead.
52:39
I talk enough.
52:41
Like I said, I mean, I don't think Tyler signed without that head nod.
52:48
Mhmm.
52:49
You know, that's the politics of the game.
52:52
So if things go the way they have gone the last three years, four years well, three years,
53:00
we'll say, Kyler will not be 100% healthy for 17 games.
53:06
And so if he starts, JJ is gonna take that job, and he's not gonna give it back.
53:12
Yep.
53:13
Yep.
53:15
Yeah.
53:16
And like I've said, that that's the best case scenario for that.
53:19
And, Steve, you better watch out.
53:20
Cody got to know Wyoming quite a bit coaching the cavalry this season out there in Gillette.
53:26
So you you better be careful.
53:28
I'm very familiar with the beautiful state of Wyoming as well.
53:32
North Spies, I'm with you.
53:34
I think the best case scenario for this Vikings team is JJ McCarthy proves it, whether it's
53:40
pressure from the back or it's pressure from the front, that that he still has something
53:44
left to prove.
53:45
And I think that's the the reason that you make a move to bring a guy in.
53:49
It didn't cost you anything.
53:50
Right?
53:51
So on a in a business level, you have a former number one overall draft pick, a guy that has
53:58
talent, questionable, you know, ethics when it comes to preparation with Kyler Murray, which
54:06
has given me pause, right, him preparing to run a completely new system under KOC that requires
54:13
a lot of anticipation.
54:14
And while the guy has all the athletic ability in the world, I don't know that he has the has
54:21
that in him.
54:22
And judging from what Pods has kinda spoken about with us, that this KOC offensive system
54:28
and the reason that guys like Kirk Cousins or Sam Darnold operate so well in it is because it
54:35
is timing.
54:36
It is preparation that gets you there.
54:39
It's anticipation that gets you there, not we're gonna go out and play backyard football.
54:44
Right?
54:45
And and, honestly, if you wanna run the ball and be more of a power running team, you need
54:51
to do that from under center.
54:53
I don't know if Kyler Murray can play under center because as soon as you snap the ball to
54:58
him, he's not gonna be able to see over your freaking six foot five plus offensive lineman.
55:03
He plays from the shotgun because of his physical limitations.
55:07
So do you change everything about what you have forecasted and that you've kinda shown
55:13
outwardly, I guess, that you want to do, which is to be more of a power running team or and
55:19
now you have a quarterback that's gonna be unable to perform under those circumstances.
55:24
So there's a lot of questions.
55:26
I think that, like you alluded to, there was a little bit of a head nod.
55:31
Now you keep calling it a competition because you want JJ McCarthy to come out and to, apply
55:37
that pressure internally to himself to say, need to be the guy, and I need to prove that I
55:43
am the guy.
55:45
But I think that I don't think it's necessarily going to be a fifty fifty on first team reps
55:53
going into training camp that that gets you there either.
55:56
I think even if Kyler Murray starts off the season as the starter, there's no guarantee
56:01
that he starts all 17 games for injury or performance either one.
56:09
Correct.
56:10
That's that's it right there.
56:13
Okay.
56:15
Let me ask you something then.
56:18
In the scenario that we've played out, it's either, okay.
56:20
What if JJ performs?
56:23
What if Kyler performs?
56:26
We laid out the very rare circumstance where, say, Kyler falls out, goes somewhere else, gets
56:33
a decent run-in the playoffs.
56:34
You look stupid.
56:35
But you would also look stupid if you brought Kyler Murray in as a competition to JJ, and
56:41
then they both play terrible.
56:46
Max Brozmer, come on down.
56:47
Because then the situation is just compounded even worse.
56:54
If Kyler Murray sucks in the first five games as your starter, KOC is getting fired.
56:59
That's been my call since they signed him.
57:02
Right?
57:02
Because now you put all of your eggs in that basket.
57:05
You said, get me a guy that's played in the league.
57:09
I'll make this offense work.
57:10
If they stumble out the gate, KOC goes from I think he's already on a warm seat to start the
57:18
season, and you go it to royal rolling boil by week five if this team is one and four.
57:26
And then you have to officially and I mean this, officially say, you are not you are not a
57:36
quarterback whisperer.
57:37
You are a wannabe McVeigh.
57:39
Thank you.
57:40
Well, he's a quarterback whisperer as of right now with
57:43
is gonna be.
57:44
Because we're talking about the percentile in where there's a very good possibility that both
57:53
of them play awful.
57:55
KOC gets fired.
57:57
But what do you do in that scenario?
58:00
Like, great.
58:01
He's gone.
58:02
But what do you do for the next third you know, for the next twelve weeks after that?
58:07
You can call me.
58:08
I'm forty five minutes away.
58:09
Coach.
58:09
Frank Smith is your offensive coordinator.
58:12
Like, I think they have a lot of security measures in place right now.
58:17
But but it doesn't help you if both of them still suck throughout the season.
58:22
Well, no.
58:22
It's a great power running team.
58:24
You you become a defense first power running offense who throws the ball on third down
58:31
exclusively, and you probably make the playoffs still.
58:36
But then what do you do about the quarterback room, man?
58:38
Who gives a fuck?
58:39
You blow it up.
58:40
You blow it up after the season, and you start from scratch.
58:43
That's the answer I wanna hear, but then here's where it gets interesting.
58:48
Say you blow it up.
58:49
Are you trying to get your guy in free agency or via trade or in the draft now?
58:54
You're not trading assets.
58:56
You are probably signing a free agent.
58:58
You know, we kinda talked about Matthew Stafford's availability after this year.
59:02
I think you're getting someone in that.
59:04
Because, ultimately, I think this defense is too good now to to tank.
59:10
Right?
59:10
Like, you're not gonna get a top 10 pick with this defense performing the way that it is.
59:15
So and forecasting it now with the defense heavy draft that you just had, I don't think
59:20
there's tanking in there.
59:22
But you completely change the makeup of this team should they stumble out the game.
59:27
And I don't know if the Wills have the stomach for a midseason coaching change and and to fire
59:33
a head coach like that.
59:34
They've never you know, I I know that the you know, they they fired Childress at the end of
59:39
the season, but it was pretty much a done deal at that point.
59:42
Right?
59:42
It it wasn't necessarily midseason, early season.
59:46
So
59:48
because you know what?
59:48
I'm gonna give it to Mike Tomlin.
59:50
At least he realized I can't get over the hump anymore.
59:54
Mhmm.
59:54
I'm gonna let someone else try.
59:56
The thing is somebody else who can't get over the hump either.
1:00:00
But he went out with some dignity.
1:00:04
I don't think KOC is gonna go out with some dignity if this thing blows up in his face.
1:00:08
Like,
1:00:09
the the I don't know
1:00:10
if it's Hugh Jackson levels of bad, but it might be, like, Rex Ryan levels of bad for a
1:00:18
little bit.
1:00:19
The thing is is if we go into this year and our quarterback play sucks, and let's say we do
1:00:24
above and said blow it up, we gotta make sure this guy has input on next year's quarterback.
1:00:30
Somewhere.
1:00:32
So we got we gotta make sure that JJ, if he's around after this year, if we have another bad
1:00:38
year, we gotta make sure that we got the guy that maybe he wants that
1:00:41
they Well, and I would say at that point, b, and that's an interesting and I just don't know
1:00:46
that you have the draft capital to trade.
1:00:48
Maybe in the draft that you're able to pull the borough trade next year.
1:00:52
I don't know.
1:00:54
It seems more likely in the off season this year if the quarterback situation does
1:00:58
completely blow up.
1:00:59
Ultimately, JJ McCarthy still has a year plus a fifth year option left on his contract.
1:01:06
Does the kid show enough to like, to me, you keep him on to be your QB two kind of
1:01:12
regardless because of the physical attributes that he has, and he can probably perform for a
1:01:17
game or two having to come in as QB two.
1:01:20
You because you don't wanna have to go out and sign a QB one and QB two, and now you're
1:01:25
paying, you know, a potential of paying 30 plus million for a free agent quarterback that is of
1:01:31
that level and paying another 10 to 15 for backup play that you're getting in the free
1:01:38
agent market as well.
1:01:39
I just don't think that you do that.
1:01:42
Regardless, I think of how it goes this year, JJ McCarthy is still on this team at the
1:01:47
beginning of next year regardless of how he performs this year or whether he even sees the
1:01:52
field.
1:01:53
Right?
1:01:53
He's still on this team because that's just what the money is telling you.
1:01:58
Right?
1:02:00
Because I don't think he has any I don't think he has any draft value or not draft, but any
1:02:07
trade value.
1:02:08
No.
1:02:09
He doesn't.
1:02:09
If I got I got a question for you guys.
1:02:11
If he if JJ McCarthy ends up being our number two quarterback, do you guys consider him to be
1:02:21
a top five backup?
1:02:23
Go ahead, Norsefias.
1:02:25
I wanna Norse, I wanna hear you chime in on this because you are the JJ apologist on this
1:02:29
show right now.
1:02:36
JJ is a number two quarterback.
1:02:38
Oh, is he there, bud?
1:02:40
JJ is a He's there somewhere.
1:02:46
So let's see.
1:02:46
JJ is a top five backup quarterback.
1:02:50
I'm trying to I'm trying to think of all the backup quarterbacks right now.
1:02:55
I have I have one thing.
1:02:58
Steve says, I bet Justin Jefferson and JJ, this will be the last season in Minnesota.
1:03:04
He will ask for a trade.
1:03:05
Man, I'm interested in this.
1:03:07
I'll take that bet right now, Steve.
1:03:09
Yeah.
1:03:10
Let's go.
1:03:10
Pink slips?
1:03:13
It's a very good possibility.
1:03:14
I gotta I know one shabby.
1:03:16
Doesn't think he's that kind of dude.
1:03:17
But
1:03:20
It it would have to go 100% downhill to where JJ does not see any type of Do you
1:03:32
what do you think?
1:03:33
Who do you think's gonna be here at the beginning of next season and who's not?
1:03:38
Oh, if if it if if it plays out the way we think it's gonna play out, I think everybody
1:03:43
will be back.
1:03:44
I mean, Mario, one that, you know, might have a big cap hit on us.
1:03:48
But, I mean, if we're talking JJ, McCarthy, JJ, you know, Justin Jefferson, Jordan mean, Ashton
1:03:56
might be the odd man out.
1:03:57
But I I think if if we perform and get to the playoffs, everybody's coming back.
1:04:02
Maybe not Murray because maybe his, you know, price tag will be too much, but, you know, if
1:04:08
if we if we end up having a Cleveland Browns type of year, yeah, JJ, Jefferson will will
1:04:16
want out, I think.
1:04:18
All this Addison talk.
1:04:20
I'm so I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest.
1:04:22
I'm sick of that dude.
1:04:23
I'm sick of Jordan Addison.
1:04:25
I still wanna know how the dog's doing.
1:04:27
How's that dog doing?
1:04:41
Or not sorry.
1:04:43
Wide receivers that have had problems, not three.
1:04:46
I forgot Chase Claypool.
1:04:49
Oh, I forgot all about Claypool.
1:04:52
I'm getting I think he forgot about himself.
1:04:55
Of course, Fias.
1:04:56
If you're here with us, man, I would love to hear your thoughts on if JJ McCarthy is a top
1:05:03
five QB two if he's not the QB one.
1:05:12
Oh, he is having some signal issues.
1:05:14
No.
1:05:15
Alright.
1:05:15
Well, we'll pull him off there.
1:05:16
We'll bring coach back.
1:05:18
Norris Fias, maybe try going out and coming back in.
1:05:20
Maybe I'll I'll kick him and see if he can come back.
1:05:25
Well, coach, you brought it up.
1:05:26
Where do you think McCarthy fits if he's number two?
1:05:30
I mean, I'm not even gonna lie.
1:05:32
I think he's he would be one of the best backups.
1:05:36
I'm not gonna lie.
1:05:38
I mean, star starter, you know, has games under his belt, but then going to backup, I mean, it
1:05:48
wouldn't be the best it wouldn't be the worst thing for him.
1:05:51
I mean, I almost would rather take a page out of Green Bay's book and sit them for three
1:05:55
years.
1:05:58
Yeah.
1:05:59
Mean, that's the one thing I've always said with Green Bay the last few years is that
1:06:05
they've had success in developing the quarterbacks because they sit them for those
1:06:09
three years.
1:06:11
You know?
1:06:11
So props to Steve and his team.
1:06:13
They got something to write.
1:06:15
You know?
1:06:16
So Oh, Steve.
1:06:19
Alright, Norris Fist.
1:06:20
We got you back now, buddy.
1:06:24
Yeah.
1:06:24
How am I coming in?
1:06:25
Yeah.
1:06:26
You're good.
1:06:26
You're good.
1:06:27
JJ McCarthy, if he's not a starter, is he a top five QB two going into this season?
1:06:36
Yes.
1:06:37
100%.
1:06:43
And for me, I just don't see you know, I don't know the other q b twos in the league well
1:06:49
enough to be able to spout it off.
1:06:51
But, I mean, who's above him?
1:06:52
A Mac Jones?
1:06:53
A you know?
1:06:55
It's because now, like, Green Bay had a really good QB two last year, but now he's going out
1:07:02
and he's a starter in Miami.
1:07:03
Right?
1:07:04
So you you've had a shake up, and I don't know what Green Bay and, I guess, Steve could
1:07:08
probably enlighten us as to what their quarterback depth chart's gonna be like this
1:07:13
year.
1:07:14
But, I mean, the you I guess you could argue there's guys that are out on the open market,
1:07:20
free agent market still that would be better quarterbacks than JJ McCarthy, Aaron Rogers
1:07:24
kinda being one of them.
1:07:26
Right?
1:07:26
Even at 40 years old, I think he's proven in the league.
1:07:30
Yeah.
1:07:30
No.
1:07:30
I I don't want that headache.
1:07:33
I'm not saying that you wanted to bring him in.
1:07:35
I'm just saying on, like, the big board of QBs in the league.
1:07:38
At least Brett Favre wasn't high off his own supply.
1:07:41
That's all I'm gonna say.
1:07:43
Alright.
1:07:44
So right now, I'll tell you about the real quick here.
1:07:47
So the Patriots backup quarterback is Tommy DeVito.
1:07:54
Buffalo's Buffalo's backup quarterback is Kyle Allen.
1:08:01
Miami's current backup quarterback is Quint Ewirtz.
1:08:10
Not enough film on him yet.
1:08:11
Nope.
1:08:12
Not enough film.
1:08:15
The Jets is Brady Cook.
1:08:20
Red well, that could change because they just drafted Kaede Kavenick, so that might change.
1:08:30
Pittsburgh's undecided because right now, their backup is going to be Will Howard.
1:08:37
Not enough film on him.
1:08:40
Baltimore is Ty Hudley, you know, he's been pretty good as a yep.
1:08:48
Cincinnati Bagels, Joe Flacco, probably leads the pack there, I would say.
1:08:54
The Browns I
1:08:54
got Joe third.
1:08:56
The Browns well, the Browns are are I'd tell you right now, Shadira Sanders is number two
1:09:03
because Watson's proclaimed the starter.
1:09:06
So Jacksonville, their number two is Nick
1:09:12
Mullins.
1:09:14
Houston's but he's okay.
1:09:16
Houston's number two is David Mills.
1:09:20
Andy's number two should be AR.
1:09:24
Yep.
1:09:25
AR with Riley Leonard right behind him on that one.
1:09:29
Tennis team is is Tennis team's back up is Mitch Trubisky as of right now.
1:09:37
I got him up there.
1:09:38
Mitch has gotta be up there too.
1:09:39
Mitch is actually pretty solid backup.
1:09:42
Jared
1:09:43
Stettle is in the broncos backup.
1:09:50
Trey Lance, who I like, is Tigers' backup.
1:09:55
KC's backup is Justin Fields, which I really like.
1:10:04
The the Raiders I really like field signing.
1:10:07
Raiders is right now is Manzota is number two, but
1:10:11
Mendoza behind the presents.
1:10:14
Yep.
1:10:14
Eagles, a team that always liked backups, Tanner McKee with Andy Dalton, number three.
1:10:24
Dallas is Joe Milton the third, which I know a lot of Cowboy fans wanted him to be number one.
1:10:32
Joe Milton, did he play for Tennessee?
1:10:34
Tennessee.
1:10:35
New England.
1:10:36
Yes.
1:10:37
New England.
1:10:37
No.
1:10:37
Had a call in there.
1:10:38
Milton played for Tennessee.
1:10:40
Marcus Mariota is number two in Washington.
1:10:45
Giants back up solid.
1:10:47
Giants backup is Jaeme Winston.
1:10:51
Thirty and thirty.
1:10:53
I'll take the The mayor Bubba Bubba's favorite team is Tyson Badgett.
1:10:59
There was people calling for him
1:11:01
to be the starter over
1:11:03
Yeah.
1:11:03
Caleb.
1:11:04
Over Tyrod in his Brooklyn.
1:11:06
Tyrod Taylor's in green and gold.
1:11:11
That or Detroit's backup is Teddy Bridgewater, but I think he's officially retired.
1:11:16
So it'll be Luke Altmeier.
1:11:20
Okay.
1:11:21
That's the kid out of Oklahoma.
1:11:23
Did they just draft him?
1:11:24
Must yeah.
1:11:25
They must have.
1:11:27
Olmire came from Illinois.
1:11:30
Kenny Pickett's a number a no a solid two there for the Panthers.
1:11:34
Oklahoma, I'm thinking of.
1:11:37
Atlanta's number two is, of course, Tua.
1:11:43
On Tenet.
1:11:44
Yep.
1:11:45
The Saints number two is Spencer rat Rattler, who a lot of Saints fans want him to be the
1:11:52
starter.
1:11:54
It's Seattle.
1:11:55
Their backup is Drew Lock.
1:11:58
Good backup right there.
1:11:59
Yep.
1:12:00
Yeah.
1:12:00
Yeah.
1:12:01
In the Rams organization, Ty Simpson, the number two.
1:12:06
Stetson Bennett, the fourth, is number three, who they drafted
1:12:10
Both are solid.
1:12:11
Last year or the year before, I think.
1:12:14
The Rams right now are the Niners, Matt Jones, who's a solid backup.
1:12:19
And in Arizona, I would say it's open competition, but they got Gardner Mitchell the
1:12:26
second with Carson Beck as their third.
1:12:29
So so, yeah, I would say he's probably in the talk to be top five.
1:12:34
I mean Yeah.
1:12:36
I don't know.
1:12:36
I think I don't think Mac Jones is gonna be a backup much longer.
1:12:41
I think he's probably gonna get traded season.
1:12:43
No.
1:12:44
And and that's the thing is preseason.
1:12:46
I mean, somebody gets hurt, Mac Jones would be the first one I would call if I have a team
1:12:50
that's looking for a quarterback.
1:12:52
Yeah.
1:12:52
So
1:12:52
what would you what would you give up for him?
1:12:55
I'd give up a third potentially.
1:12:58
Well, that's the whole thing is if if San Francisco Fear feels that they have two number
1:13:03
ones on their team, and they could I mean, they're they're asking for us
1:13:07
to be high.
1:13:08
Brock.
1:13:08
You know?
1:13:09
Well, yeah, they paid Brock.
1:13:10
He's definitely the number one.
1:13:11
But How
1:13:12
how would Zach have on his deal, though?
1:13:15
If if somebody gets hurt and people start calling the niners, they know they got
1:13:20
something, so they're going to, you know, want a little bit more than a third for them.
1:13:26
Yeah.
1:13:27
You know?
1:13:27
So
1:13:28
Yeah.
1:13:29
How much time does he have left on his contract?
1:13:33
Mac Jones?
1:13:34
Who?
1:13:34
Mac Jones?
1:13:36
Oh, let's see here.
1:13:38
Yeah.
1:13:38
That's that's big b all the way.
1:13:40
Let's see here.
1:13:42
Mac Jones contract.
1:13:45
So he is let's see here.
1:13:50
So it's a contract deal.
1:13:53
So it looks like he has two years left.
1:13:59
Yeah.
1:13:59
Mac Joe signed a two year deal with San Francisco in March 2025, so he's got one year
1:14:06
left actually after this year.
1:14:07
What was the deal this year.
1:14:10
Yeah.
1:14:10
What's what's his contract?
1:14:12
So he's
1:14:13
got one year left.
1:14:14
This year is 1,400,000 base salary.
1:14:17
It could be up to with guaranteed five, so you're looking at the range of seven.
1:14:23
Yeah.
1:14:23
He's a unrestricted free agent next year.
1:14:26
Okay.
1:14:27
And you can easily trade for this guy and extend him for, you know, 27 to $30,000,000 a
1:14:34
year for, like, three or four years.
1:14:36
Mhmm.
1:14:37
And he's only 27, so next year, he'll be he'll be 28 around I
1:14:41
I think the niners have to move him this year before they lose value on him because who's to
1:14:47
say how much tape he's gonna get this year compared to last year where he had a solid
1:14:52
amount of tape at the beginning of the season.
1:14:54
Yeah.
1:14:54
Well, and and that's and that's all and that's the whole thing is, you know, you're stashing
1:15:00
them, you know, as a number two, but, you know, if teams start calling, I mean, yeah, the
1:15:05
niners hold all the cards because to a point, I'd say.
1:15:09
Because if they don't try to move them before the trade deadline They
1:15:13
don't try to move him
1:15:14
back to the
1:15:15
player, they're gonna start losing.
1:15:18
No.
1:15:19
I don't think they would lose value because if he ends up playing in the second half of the
1:15:22
year, now you got tape on him.
1:15:25
You know, maybe you toy with the idea, oh, we're gonna sign them and then people
1:15:30
Or maybe you don't have tape on them because Or
1:15:32
Or maybe or maybe you do a sign and trade.
1:15:34
I mean, you sign them and then, you know, trade them.
1:15:37
But
1:15:38
I think that's what makes it so much more valuable for to get them out of October because
1:15:42
the tape is still recent.
1:15:44
Yep.
1:15:44
Right.
1:15:45
Right.
1:15:46
Yep.
1:15:46
Because if you wait till November, December, January, like
1:15:51
Well, nobody's gonna get a third or
1:15:52
a fourth, not a second.
1:15:54
Well, once the trade deadline hits, nobody after the trade line pass, nobody can be
1:15:58
traded.
1:15:58
So if yeah.
1:15:59
I mean, I see your point pods.
1:16:01
If if the niners wanna get value for them, they trade them between now and the trade deadline
1:16:06
to get something for him before losing him.
1:16:08
You know?
1:16:10
Yeah.
1:16:10
Because I think if you don't move him by this deadline, then he's gonna move down to maybe a
1:16:16
high, you know,
1:16:18
a high Well, they would have to sign him.
1:16:19
I mean, because after after the end of the year, he's a free agent.
1:16:23
So
1:16:25
Yeah.
1:16:25
I'm saying that don't move on.
1:16:27
To sign anywhere but San Fran, then they got nothing for it.
1:16:32
Yeah.
1:16:33
Because then if has to do a signer story for
1:16:36
agent Yeah.
1:16:37
And there is very little tape on the guy, then maybe you're looking at signing him for, like,
1:16:41
maybe only, like, $20.24, $26,000,000 a year versus 30,000,000.
1:16:49
Nah.
1:16:49
I don't think you I don't think you're gonna get you're gonna sign I don't think a team is
1:16:54
gonna sign him that much if he don't have much tape on this year.
1:16:59
You know?
1:16:59
That's what I'm saying, though.
1:17:00
That's why he needs to get moved before the
1:17:03
Well, yeah.
1:17:03
The night the Daggers hold the cards right now because they, you know and and we've always see
1:17:08
those moves happen in in preseason.
1:17:10
You know, people go go down, you know, or, you know, like the jets who don't have a
1:17:15
quarterback.
1:17:16
I mean, they have a quarterback, but they don't have a quarterback.
1:17:18
Hypothetically, if he gets if he's on the market, I think he'd be a great fit in
1:17:23
Minnesota, to be quite frank.
1:17:26
I love Mac Jones and I think a lot of
1:17:28
people wanted Mac Jones here.
1:17:30
You know, just didn't wanna pay the price that San Fran was asking if there was trade talks
1:17:35
with them.
1:17:35
I mean
1:17:37
Now we can talk about a reunion with Juwan Jennings for mister Mac Jones.
1:17:41
Yeah.
1:17:43
Hey.
1:17:43
He'd have some chemistry with at least one of his weapons.
1:17:46
Do you know
1:17:47
Kyler Murray balls out and shows value?
1:17:50
Do you trade Kyler Murray for Mac Jones?
1:17:53
Yes.
1:17:54
Yes.
1:17:56
Yes.
1:17:56
Well,
1:17:56
the thing is this here.
1:17:58
It's it's the manager gonna have to sign them for us to trade for him next year.
1:18:01
So, I mean, that
1:18:03
that might be opinion.
1:18:05
I think Kyler Murray balling out is not, like, gonna be, you know, even Jared Goff levels of
1:18:12
balling out.
1:18:13
I think the most that we'll probably see from Kyler this year, if he has a solid game think I
1:18:18
the most solid game I'll see from Kyler Murray this year is maybe three touchdowns, passes for
1:18:22
240 yards, and runs for 80.
1:18:25
Well, he's never thrown over he's never thrown over 4,000 yards.
1:18:29
Right?
1:18:30
But I the bar is so abysmally low right now for quarterback play in Minnesota because of
1:18:35
recency bias, right, that you don't have to do much.
1:18:40
So it seems like he's definitely going to be the starter to begin the year unless JJ
1:18:48
McCarthy does something, you know, insane over the course of this year and shows up to
1:18:52
training camp.
1:18:53
Just being a completely different player, you know, a lot of people will say that a Tiger
1:18:58
can't change.
1:18:59
Unless JJ starts playing like Tim Tebow in the playoffs, I doubt it.
1:19:02
A young man can improve, and I think that's what the Vikings brass are are hoping they see
1:19:07
is improvement.
1:19:08
Can he start to throw with more anticipation?
1:19:11
Can he, you know, not overthrow guys by by, you know, 10 yards, you know, on on over their
1:19:18
heads.
1:19:19
Right?
1:19:19
There was a couple of bad throws, and I think the fact that you were losing games that you
1:19:25
felt like you should have won, that that compounded it.
1:19:28
Right?
1:19:29
I think if this team does win one extra game and makes the playoffs, our feelings about the
1:19:33
quarterback position are completely different.
1:19:36
Right?
1:19:36
And that's the that's the league, and that's fan bases in that.
1:19:40
Norsfias, we promised Steve a little bit of draft talk.
1:19:44
I'd love to get your thoughts on the Vikings draft, just kinda overall feelings, and how how
1:19:50
you're feeling about this draft class coming in.
1:19:55
Well, first of all, my belief is the first four rounds for sure, you should draft for your
1:20:05
needs, and those are the best players on your boards that are available to you at that time.
1:20:12
And after that five, six, seven rounds, then then you take a stab at players.
1:20:19
You throw that dart.
1:20:21
But I think yeah.
1:20:24
They swung for the fences on Caleb Banks.
1:20:26
And, you know, before I heard about the the foot injuries and stuff, that was my guy.
1:20:34
That was the guy that I wanted the Vikings to draft.
1:20:38
I mean, we you build your team from the trenches out.
1:20:43
You don't you don't build your team around a wide receiver.
1:20:48
I'm just saying that.
1:20:49
I'm just saying that.
1:20:51
You know?
1:20:51
I I love Justin Jefferson, but that's not how you how you build your team, not a championship
1:20:59
team.
1:21:00
It's not gonna matter if he's getting blown up and nobody throwing them the ball.
1:21:08
That doing?
1:21:10
Says it doesn't matter, you know, what you're saying is true.
1:21:13
Because if they don't have a good frontline either, then it doesn't matter who the
1:21:16
quarterback is because they might not be getting the ball to Justin Jefferson.
1:21:21
Gotta have
1:21:21
a good
1:21:22
interior lineman or and that goes for both offense and defense or you're screwed.
1:21:27
Well, a 100%.
1:21:28
Like I said and and even when Kirk Cousins was the quarterback and and he was putting up
1:21:35
really good numbers, Who who was the center?
1:21:39
Who kept on getting forklifted into Kirk Cousins' face?
1:21:44
Bradbury.
1:21:45
Bradbury?
1:21:46
Yeah.
1:21:47
Five fifty two.
1:21:50
Yeah.
1:21:51
You got to have a monster in in the front.
1:21:54
Mhmm.
1:21:55
Matter of fact, watching go watch that Super Bowl back, this last Super Bowl.
1:22:00
They didn't go after Bradbury.
1:22:03
They went around him, which I'm I was amazed at.
1:22:07
They never went the Seattle Seahawks did not go at Bradbury.
1:22:11
I was confused.
1:22:13
They went around the edges, and they still won.
1:22:17
If they would have if they would have went up the middle game over in the first quarter for
1:22:26
the Patriots.
1:22:28
Oh, I mean, Brad's very game did improve the shit because I believe he was a pro bowler.
1:22:33
I could be wrong on that, but, you know
1:22:36
Does that really mean the same as it did back in the day?
1:22:38
No.
1:22:39
No.
1:22:39
It does.
1:22:39
It doesn't.
1:22:40
It it does.
1:22:41
It only means something for contract.
1:22:43
But, no, I I see what Nordsby is saying is, you know, I mean, yeah, the weakness was pushing
1:22:50
Bradbury back into the quarterback all the time.
1:22:53
I mean, again, your
1:22:55
anchor of deep had end a lot of issues.
1:22:57
Yeah.
1:22:58
But your your anchor of your offensive line is your center, and if he's getting pushed back,
1:23:02
your whole line is getting pushed back.
1:23:04
Coach, am I wrong, or am I wrong?
1:23:05
No.
1:23:06
You're you're right on.
1:23:07
You're right on.
1:23:10
You know what this team reminds me of being coach?
1:23:13
It kinda reminds me of the I wanna say it was one of the late eighties Patriots teams that
1:23:19
got to the Super Bowl.
1:23:20
Like, you know, it was like a Cinderella run, and then they just got absolutely obliterated.
1:23:26
What?
1:23:26
Was Steve Grogan?
1:23:28
Yeah.
1:23:31
Yeah.
1:23:31
Brad Beard is down on the bears, so we could what?
1:23:34
Hopefully, we can truck roll him right into Caleb Williams a couple times.
1:23:40
It's gonna happen.
1:23:41
It's gonna happen.
1:23:43
I think that the Vikings are in a very unique spot.
1:23:46
They have so much talent on that defensive side, and I do believe they made the right
1:23:51
draft picks on offense this year.
1:23:54
They may have not been the sexiest picks, but they were needed picks.
1:23:59
Because if let's just if big citrus develops
1:24:03
Oh god.
1:24:04
I love that, dude.
1:24:05
I'm sorry.
1:24:06
Remind me remind me.
1:24:07
What position does he play, coach?
1:24:10
Big citrus?
1:24:11
Defensive end, I believe.
1:24:13
The tackle.
1:24:14
One one of the two.
1:24:15
No.
1:24:15
Like, he's he's
1:24:16
a he's a nose guard.
1:24:17
He is a nose guard.
1:24:19
Yeah.
1:24:19
And the potential in Big Citrus to have an interior Chris Jones.
1:24:24
Damn.
1:24:25
No.
1:24:25
No.
1:24:26
No.
1:24:26
No.
1:24:26
No.
1:24:27
No.
1:24:28
Damn. No.
1:24:28
No.
1:24:28
Big Citrus is a nose guard, and that's exactly what he played in college.
1:24:34
If you wanna talk about Chris Jones, Caleb Banks is the Chris Jones factor.
1:24:41
But
1:24:41
it Yeah.
1:24:42
Now keep in mind keep in mind, it took Chris Jones three years to become Chris Jones.
1:24:51
Yes.
1:24:51
But under Morris, just
1:24:53
like the Kansas City stuff, I have no doubt that if anybody's gonna get it, it's gonna be
1:24:58
Flores that gets it out of them.
1:25:01
Oh, yeah.
1:25:02
Yeah.
1:25:06
I just I think that we're looking at the next interior wrecking ball.
1:25:09
I really do.
1:25:11
I'm hoping.
1:25:12
I love I love these two picks, boys.
1:25:14
I love these two picks.
1:25:17
Quick question.
1:25:18
That's getting massively overlooked because of the big guys up front is Jake Gaulday.
1:25:23
The linebacker.
1:25:24
Yes.
1:25:24
Jake Gaulday is gonna be a problem in this Flores defense.
1:25:28
I think it's gonna put a super talented athletic guy.
1:25:33
This guy played, like, over a 100 snaps at nickel.
1:25:37
Right?
1:25:37
Like, you're talking about a six four, two hundred and forty pound man out there who can
1:25:43
cover anyone in the league that you can line up in three or four positions around that defense.
1:25:51
The guy's gonna be an issue.
1:25:52
And I think, you saw him get a pick at rookie minicamp.
1:25:56
I think it was tipped.
1:25:57
You you couldn't really see in the clip that
1:25:59
the Vikings Dude is a the dude is a solid coverage linebacker, but he's also built where
1:26:04
he can plug the run.
1:26:05
So he is a true, you know, punch and cover kinda guy.
1:26:10
Well, and
1:26:10
I think a lot of people assume that he was gonna take one of those inside linebacker
1:26:14
spots, but I think you're gonna be able to, you know, be heir apparent the heir apparent to
1:26:20
your, you know, Van Ginkle.
1:26:22
Right?
1:26:23
Have him, you know, work behind a guy like that and learn the tricks of the trick because
1:26:27
that's what makes Van Ginkle who he is.
1:26:29
Right?
1:26:29
It's the cerebral part that he brings.
1:26:31
Yes.
1:26:32
He's physically gifted.
1:26:33
I think you saw a little bit, you know, I think you saw him fall off a little bit in the
1:26:39
physicality department last year.
1:26:41
He is a little bit undersized to kinda be that edge rusher.
1:26:44
Right?
1:26:45
You know, going up against guys that are six, seven tackles.
1:26:48
He doesn't quite have the, physical stature to get in there.
1:26:52
He can kinda get pushed around and washed out.
1:26:54
But as far as anticipation and just knowing the play before it happens, right, the way he jumps
1:27:00
those routes on those short, you know, sideline to sideline throws and to come up with those
1:27:05
Van Ginkle interceptions.
1:27:07
Right?
1:27:08
You can teach that to a guy that has the physical traits.
1:27:11
And at six
1:27:12
four, Galde's got a massive wingspan.
1:27:16
So I think that's one that's kinda getting overlooked right now.
1:27:20
You know who he kinda reminds
1:27:21
me of, Bubba?
1:27:21
To be a monster.
1:27:24
And and, you know, you just have to get him healthy, and it seems like all signs are
1:27:28
pointing to him being ready for training camp.
1:27:31
But if he takes a year or two to develop into someone who's a, you know, just a force on that
1:27:36
inside, that's okay.
1:27:37
Right?
1:27:37
Like, at 18, you're not necessarily getting someone.
1:27:40
I know a lot of talk about passing on, you know, Theinerman at that.
1:27:44
I think that's the big miss and why you have the reaction in the stadium that you did, but
1:27:50
you can find safeties.
1:27:51
And I think they got a dog in Jacoby Thomas in the, what, fifth round.
1:27:56
Right?
1:27:57
And somebody that probably got a little bit of an attitude about being picked in the fifth
1:28:01
round about it.
1:28:02
The last thing you wanna do to a a dog is to, rattle its cage.
1:28:07
Right?
1:28:08
And I think that that young man's cage has been fully rattled at this point.
1:28:12
And and you gotta remember that the hitman ain't retired yet.
1:28:16
So just kinda putting that out there too.
1:28:19
Nick Golladay, has he signed yet, or does does he still have a problem?
1:28:26
They
1:28:28
It's a contract thing.
1:28:30
I'm I'm guessing it's just the, the measurables of the contract, the the guarantees in it is
1:28:37
what I'm getting.
1:28:39
So do you
1:28:39
know who he kinda reminds me of?
1:28:41
Like, if I was to put him by profile by profile?
1:28:45
Who?
1:28:46
He kinda reminds me of Derek Johnson, but with better coverage skills.
1:28:51
Okay.
1:28:52
Okay.
1:28:53
Uber athletic can really punch on clothes on the run, but he's got the IQ to go, like, into
1:29:03
coverage and be able to get into those underneath spaces within the seven yards.
1:29:07
You know?
1:29:07
Like
1:29:08
Yeah.
1:29:08
And and what
1:29:09
I like good to have a guy who can cover a back.
1:29:11
It it what I liked about the draft is it might not have been the names that everybody was
1:29:16
doing it, but there was definitely a profile.
1:29:19
Right?
1:29:19
There was a RAS score.
1:29:20
There was a this was definitely Bflow putting his thumbprint on this draft and saying, look.
1:29:26
These are the guys when I watch the tape, they are going to fit into what I do, not just
1:29:32
picking on who's on the big board on ESPN and who's This
1:29:36
This draft was about scheme fit.
1:29:39
Yeah, man.
1:29:39
Well and he has a very unique scheme that you have to fit into.
1:29:43
It requires a lot out of these players, especially on the back end and in the
1:29:48
linebacking court.
1:29:50
Yes.
1:29:50
So and it requires a certain amount of physicality upfront that you really just you
1:29:56
haven't had.
1:29:57
You've had guys that are undersized either on the height, like you know?
1:30:02
And I like the two guys that we got, the Rodriguez and the other guy, and even Jalen
1:30:07
Redman, who was great.
1:30:08
I think that's your nose tackle, you know, kind of in there.
1:30:12
And then you put a where did he play?
1:30:14
Was he on one of the defensive end spots?
1:30:17
So right now, because I was gonna bring up a point here.
1:30:21
Good night, love.
1:30:21
I'll be
1:30:22
in soon.
1:30:23
Jay Jalen Redman is right now, as of today, will be the right defensive end.
1:30:29
Okay.
1:30:30
So he played one of those ends.
1:30:31
No.
1:30:31
I'm sorry.
1:30:32
Rodriguez will be the left defensive end.
1:30:34
Redman will be the right defensive end.
1:30:35
So yeah.
1:30:36
So then who is
1:30:37
in the middle?
1:30:38
So right now, they got Caleb Banks sliding for the middle.
1:30:41
As the nose tackle.
1:30:43
Okay.
1:30:43
Yeah.
1:30:43
So here here here's something I wanna I was just looking up.
1:30:47
We all remember the Williams wall.
1:30:49
Right?
1:30:50
Cody and Yeah.
1:30:51
The.
1:30:52
Alright.
1:30:53
So Kevin Yeah.
1:30:54
Six so
1:30:55
Kevin, 65311.
1:30:57
Pat, 63317.
1:31:01
We draft Banks, if healthy, 66330.
1:31:07
And then we drafted big citrus, six four, three twenty five.
1:31:12
So could we be seeing some kind of a built there to stop the run up the middle?
1:31:18
I mean, who's gonna be able to block those two if they're out of same There's a
1:31:21
big lot bodies with a lot of gaps getting closed.
1:31:25
Yep.
1:31:25
Yep.
1:31:26
And I
1:31:26
think they both play substantially in a rotation with the guys that you have there now
1:31:31
while they learn the Well,
1:31:32
right now, Citrus is listed at number two at the nose tackle behind Bay.
1:31:36
Right.
1:31:37
So you're rotating those two guys at at nose tackle all season long, letting them get their
1:31:43
reps in kinda filling in for a lot of other
1:31:46
They they are, but I'm sure your situation, those boys are gonna be in the middle clogging
1:31:50
that hole.
1:31:51
Mhmm.
1:31:53
Big beef.
1:31:53
Big Yeah.
1:31:56
Where where did that where did that list come from?
1:31:59
The Vikings?
1:32:00
ESPN.
1:32:02
Okay.
1:32:03
They're wrong.
1:32:04
They're absolutely wrong.
1:32:06
Okay.
1:32:06
Big citrus.
1:32:08
Big citrus is a nose tackle.
1:32:11
Yeah.
1:32:11
They got him number two behind Banks.
1:32:14
They got Bank America at number one.
1:32:16
Banks is not a nose tackle.
1:32:18
He's a three to inside four and five technique.
1:32:23
Yep.
1:32:23
I I yeah.
1:32:25
So I'll just go by the depth that ESPN has.
1:32:28
So
1:32:29
And and going going by, Pods, what what he was saying, he wanted he wanted to talk about,
1:32:35
Banks being the next Chris Jones.
1:32:40
Well, Chris Jones moved all over the place.
1:32:43
If you watch KC, he moves left to right.
1:32:46
Doesn't matter, but he is not a nose tackle, and neither is Kayla Banks.
1:32:53
Oh, I see.
1:32:54
So Mike just don't have an updated depth chart.
1:32:58
Let's see here.
1:33:01
I wouldn't really take any roster stuff seriously right now because nobody knows what
1:33:06
that roster is gonna be until
1:33:07
I yeah.
1:33:08
You're you're exactly right.
1:33:09
Three of the priests.
1:33:10
Knows.
1:33:11
So so yeah.
1:33:13
So like I said, I was just going by with ESPN plugged in right now, knowing that things are
1:33:19
gonna change once once the season goes along here.
1:33:24
So but I I I would I would if if base is healthy and citrus is healthy, they're both
1:33:31
gonna be on the field on the on the the short yardage situations for to cover it right.
1:33:38
We also have to remember that for the
1:33:40
agency say that neither one of
1:33:41
them The agency isn't agree with either.
1:33:43
Because I still think Banks could be an interior menace,
1:33:46
not Well, they're both gonna be interior linemen.
1:33:48
I mean
1:33:49
So I would say I would I'd I'd take him if it's Banks, I would take him rotating between the
1:33:55
left and the right.
1:33:56
And even on some special packages, you can put them on the end.
1:33:59
Yeah.
1:33:59
Well and it's it's such a different Yeah.
1:34:01
Thing like a
1:34:03
But I
1:34:03
wouldn't big difference between those those packages, though,
1:34:06
to shore up that middle.
1:34:06
Because that's an important spot.
1:34:08
And a three four defensive end.
1:34:10
Right?
1:34:10
Right.
1:34:11
There's a massive difference between those two.
1:34:13
And in this, in this defense, that b float plays.
1:34:17
What I would like to see if if there's somebody that can be a big body that can just anchor
1:34:21
that middle because what you really want with the three four is somebody in that middle that
1:34:25
can take up two guys, that they can take the center and a guard depending on which way
1:34:31
you're trying to move that offensive line out of the play.
1:34:34
So it would be nice to see who's available, you know, even moving into the end of free agency
1:34:40
even or, you know, into the beginning of the season.
1:34:43
You never know who's gonna get caught on these teams either.
1:34:46
I see if there's somebody that can anchor that that fits that profile, and that's why I was
1:34:50
thinking maybe a but there's really nobody with that profile on this team.
1:34:55
Right?
1:34:56
What I think of, I think of the old bears teams, you had a trailer in the middle.
1:35:00
Right?
1:35:00
Yep.
1:35:01
That that was, you know, just three hundred and sixty pounds.
1:35:04
Right?
1:35:04
Like, somebody that just by sheer mass could take two people completely out of it, which
1:35:11
frees up your more athletic defensive ends, right, to go and make plays and to put pressure
1:35:17
on those guard tackle combos to be able to take guys out of it.
1:35:21
And Well, that that's why I mean and and that's what Paz is getting at.
1:35:25
Right now, you can't take the depth charts what it is because Right.
1:35:28
Right now, Biggs and and Citrus are both healthy, I'd like to see them both on the field
1:35:32
as much as possible together to free up because six four and six six in the middle there.
1:35:38
Yeah.
1:35:38
You're gonna plus.
1:35:39
You're yeah.
1:35:39
You're gonna need two, three guys to block both of them, if not four.
1:35:45
So that's gonna open up a lot of ways for B flow and his defense just to get hungry on the
1:35:52
quarterback and running back.
1:35:53
So Well, that's
1:35:53
why I I think he's
1:35:55
someone that showed a lot of promise in Jalen Redmond inside, so you could do that and move
1:36:01
those guys out.
1:36:02
But Redmond, a a little bit undersized, but he definitely showed a lot of promise last year.
1:36:07
And a guy that came was he UFL or XFL?
1:36:10
He came here.
1:36:11
UFL.
1:36:11
Yep.
1:36:13
UFL.
1:36:17
And then the only
1:36:18
the only problem with that was he he came out of Oklahoma, but he had clotting issues in his
1:36:28
legs.
1:36:29
Mhmm.
1:36:31
Yep.
1:36:33
No.
1:36:34
I think this defense is a problem for the foreseeable future at this point.
1:36:39
I I think you restocked and got younger, which we talked extensively about with this team
1:36:45
going into the draft.
1:36:46
So I I think the Vikings kinda knocked it out of the park.
1:36:49
You were picking eighteenth.
1:36:50
You were picking in the middle of the round in every one.
1:36:53
You made a bunch of trades to move back.
1:36:55
You traded Grunard, got a third this year, and a third in a much deeper draft next year.
1:37:00
I thought that was a great move.
1:37:03
You know, people can gripe about if they want to.
1:37:05
I think you're probably gonna get a second round talent in that third round next year
1:37:10
depending on where the eagles end up at the end of their season, which, you know, who knows?
1:37:15
They're a Jalen Hurts injury away from freaking, you know, being at the bottom of the
1:37:19
league.
1:37:20
Right?
1:37:20
So there's there's no telling what the that draft pick comes into.
1:37:24
I I like that punting it out there.
1:37:26
I thought they drafted for need at every position.
1:37:29
You got an offensive tackle that that probably fills in, if not this year, into a swing tackle
1:37:34
role at the very least for you plugging into the future.
1:37:37
And then you got a center at the end of the draft who probably a developmental piece, but
1:37:42
may earn playing time towards the, you know, into next year or the year after that.
1:37:47
Right?
1:37:47
And if not, it was a it was a seventh rounder, right, or a sixth No.
1:37:50
But but what what's gonna rely on the Vikings draft as it always does is everybody was
1:37:58
claiming for us to get that Tillman that went to the bears.
1:38:01
So Tillman has a breakout first year, second year, and Banks is a bust.
1:38:08
They're gonna say this draft was a bust.
1:38:10
I mean, so we had Banks has to be almost as good as Tillman for the bears for us to
1:38:17
consider, well, we got the right player.
1:38:19
Because if if we passed on him and he and he balls out and was rookie of the year or leaves
1:38:26
the bears, you know, deeper in the playoffs and Bags doesn't play, we're it's gonna be a bust
1:38:31
for the the draft.
1:38:34
I think you have
1:38:34
two seasons, though, before you even start getting into that conversation.
1:38:38
Oh, yeah.
1:38:39
Hell no, man.
1:38:40
Week two, he doesn't have three sacks.
1:38:42
Everybody's gonna be like, this draft is locked.
1:38:45
Caleb Banks is a boss.
1:38:46
Like, you already know how this fan base is gonna react.
1:38:48
Oh.
1:38:50
Go ahead, Norse.
1:38:51
Yeah.
1:38:52
Well
1:38:56
Hey.
1:38:57
Go ahead, Norse.
1:38:58
I'm I'm just extremely excited about this season.
1:39:02
Yeah.
1:39:03
I'm extremely excited to see how those two big boys do in the middle and if they can stay
1:39:08
healthy.
1:39:08
If this team can stay healthy all the way around, especially at a quarterback position,
1:39:14
there's no reason why we don't make the playoffs.
1:39:16
Right.
1:39:17
Yeah.
1:39:18
This team is a defensive coordinator's dream.
1:39:20
Right.
1:39:21
Right.
1:39:21
This would be yeah.
1:39:22
Especially if those two worked out.
1:39:24
I mean, because I'm I'm defensive minded first.
1:39:27
I love coaching the defense.
1:39:29
My I just you know, I just I love the ability to not only stop a team from scoring, but my
1:39:38
defense can produce scoring as well and help out.
1:39:41
And yeah.
1:39:43
Sorry.
1:39:45
But you don't wanna just be good.
1:39:46
You wanna be dynamic.
1:39:47
Facts.
1:39:48
Facts.
1:39:48
So, I mean, I I just I love what this defense has got to offer, and I hope that they
1:39:56
You know, look.
1:39:57
If those two guys are
1:39:58
looking at the best championships
1:40:00
Defensive lines in the NFL.
1:40:02
Defensive wins defense wins championships, and, I mean, we gotta have the, that one drive last
1:40:10
year that took, like, eighteen minutes.
1:40:12
Like, we need more
1:40:13
of that.
1:40:13
Gotta have a lot of those.
1:40:14
We can't we can't go three and out and have those big boys huffing and puffing the hills
1:40:19
before they even get out there.
1:40:20
Like, that's just facts.
1:40:23
But, on that note, fellas, I'm gonna have to get going here.
1:40:26
Yeah.
1:40:27
Me too, man.
1:40:28
But, just wanted to give you guys a little update before I do.
1:40:32
I've never coached in the high school ranks before.
1:40:35
Always wanted to try to get into it.
1:40:39
And I told myself I'd never coached my old high school.
1:40:43
Well, that changed.
1:40:44
I had an interview today, and I'm looking to be the varsity junior varsity head coach.
1:40:52
So
1:40:52
we'll For Cannon?
1:40:54
Yeah.
1:40:54
For Cannon Falls.
1:40:56
Nice.
1:40:56
Congrats there, coach.
1:40:57
Yes, sir.
1:40:58
Yes, sir.
1:40:58
Good luck.
1:40:59
Cannon Falls at?
1:41:01
Small town, middle of nowhere.
1:41:02
You wouldn't wanna visit it if you if you had to
1:41:05
Unless you like wine, and then you come then you come to Canyon Falls.
1:41:08
Wine, pizza, and churches.
1:41:10
Wine, pizza, and churches are now our famous coach Cody.
1:41:13
So Yes, sir.
1:41:14
Yes, sir.
1:41:14
Where's
1:41:14
the dough?
1:41:15
Hey.
1:41:16
I might visit if the pizza's good.
1:41:17
Hey.
1:41:18
Dudley's Pizza.
1:41:19
Dudley's Pizza.
1:41:21
Don't go to that main grocery.
1:41:22
Get them, coach Cody.
1:41:23
Go get them.
1:41:24
Yes, sir.
1:41:25
Yeah.
1:41:25
Appreciate it.
1:41:26
Norris, thanks
1:41:27
for tuning
1:41:27
in and dropping in on today.
1:41:29
It's good to hear your voice and have you in.
1:41:32
Coach, congratulations to you.
1:41:34
Steve, thanks for tuning in, brother.
1:41:36
We've missed you.
1:41:37
Appreciate having you around and tuning into the show.
1:41:40
Bee, Pods, always appreciate you guys talking Vikings with us.
1:41:45
It's a a lot to be a lot to be positive about, I think, right now in Vikings fandom.
1:41:52
We got a lot to look forward to.
1:41:55
Obviously, we're gonna hit a little bit of a lull here over the next few months until
1:42:00
training camp, but a lot of other stuff to get into, a lot of golf action that we'll be
1:42:04
sharing as well.
1:42:05
A lot of baseball action?
1:42:07
Yep.
1:42:08
Lot of stuff happening.
1:42:09
Just actually got word today that operation combating veteran suicide will be a big part of
1:42:16
the Sioux Falls Canary season with, their hero of the game, segments.
1:42:24
So we're gonna be helping them to to find their heroes to honor and, getting some activation
1:42:30
inside of the stadium.
1:42:31
So huge move for us today.
1:42:32
That just happened this afternoon.
1:42:33
So pretty excited about that.
1:42:35
And, yeah, just a lot of great stuff coming.
1:42:37
Norris, thanks again for joining us, man.
1:42:39
Appreciate you.
1:42:41
Hey, Bob.
1:42:43
Thank you for what you're doing for the vets, man.
1:42:46
Yeah.
1:42:46
Always.
1:42:47
Always an honor, brother.
1:42:48
Can't wait to get together.
1:42:50
Norris, where are you in Minnesota?
1:42:53
I am in the Southwest Corner Of Minnesota.
1:42:56
I'm in Marshall.
1:42:58
Yes.
1:42:58
You're not you're not terribly far from me, man.
1:43:00
So we need to get together.
1:43:01
I don't know if you're a golfer, but shout out to Skunk Golf.
1:43:04
They host all of our golf content.
1:43:06
We're gonna try to get on the course a couple of times at least this year.
1:43:09
Hopefully, as a big group, maybe we'll all go visit, b and and and coach
1:43:15
Oh, man.
1:43:16
Shannon Falls.
1:43:17
You guys gotta have a decent course around you, I'm sure.
1:43:19
We got a nice one.
1:43:20
Yeah.
1:43:20
I haven't Yeah.
1:43:21
I I should say I've heard it's nice.
1:43:23
I drove by it.
1:43:25
I have not golfed it yet.
1:43:27
So
1:43:27
Any golf course out of the casino?
1:43:30
We got a we sponsor a golf course called Mount Front Neck.
1:43:33
Don't worry, fellas.
1:43:34
I got quite a few nice courses around
1:43:36
me.
1:43:37
Four away
1:43:38
in the I I like it because it's up in the mountain area, so there's some good views.
1:43:43
As a matter of fact, probably within the next couple months, we'll have our team member golf
1:43:47
tournament out there.
1:43:48
So I'll definitely get some shots.
1:43:49
It was really nice Yeah.
1:43:51
Talking.
1:43:51
Yeah.
1:43:52
Good one calling.
1:43:52
Appreciate y'all.
1:43:54
Saturday, Bubba.
1:43:55
This week with y'all.
1:43:56
I'll see you on Saturday, Bubba.
1:44:00
Sounds great.
1:44:00
Norris, everybody else.
1:44:01
Meet you, Pete.
1:44:02
It's always a pleasure.
1:44:04
Make sure Yep.
1:44:04
Good to meet you, man.
1:44:05
And I hope all the future MAW stuff, it rocks.
1:44:08
Hello, Doug.
1:44:09
Hey.
1:44:10
We'll see everybody back here next Tuesday for Vikings United.
1:44:13
You can join Pods and I on Saturday for our gulp show, and, keep tuning in.
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Subscribe to the channel, and, we love you guys.
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1:44:21
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