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Dirty Rush: Madam President - does this job suck or what? · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sororiti Life with
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Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice.
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Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.
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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush.
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Speaker 1: I am Gia Judace, and today I am sitting down
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Speaker 1: with former sorority presidents. These women have seen it all
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Speaker 1: and definitely know where the bodies are buried, and who
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Speaker 1: knows if they didn't start up a little chaos themselves,
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Speaker 1: You're about to find out here in this episode of
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Speaker 1: Dirty Rush. Before we get into our callers for today's episode,
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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit about Rutgers and
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Speaker 1: what I remember in our former presidents. I was in
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Speaker 1: Zeta Tau Alpha, and I remember rushing my freshman year
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Speaker 1: and just thinking my president was so pretty, so perfect,
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Speaker 1: she had it all together, and she really did like
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Speaker 1: she was definitely someone that the sorority sisters did look
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Speaker 1: up to. Then throughout the former years. Obviously she graduated
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Speaker 1: that year when I joined Zeta, but throughout the years,
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Speaker 1: it just seemed obviously like a lot of work and
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Speaker 1: a lot of responsibility dealing with finances, girls, being judicial, etc.
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Speaker 1: It just really seemed like there was a lot on
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Speaker 1: their plate. So then throughout the years of being in
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Speaker 1: a sorority, I was a part of social chair, so
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Speaker 1: I kind of saw what these girls in my sorority
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Speaker 1: were dealing with. Especially being president, they dealt with a
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Speaker 1: lot behind the scenes and just kind of tried to
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Speaker 1: keep everything afloat and obviously knew the ins and outs
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Speaker 1: a little more, especially when it came to nationals. So
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Speaker 1: they definitely had lots of responsibilities, a lot on their plate,
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Speaker 1: but they always seemed to have it all together. Besides,
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Speaker 1: you know those one or two during chapter where they
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Speaker 1: would freak out because something happened that they did not expect.
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Speaker 1: And typically when that happened, it was stupid miscellaneous things
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Speaker 1: like sorority sisters getting too drunk at a party or
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Speaker 1: throwing up on the party bus during a date night
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Speaker 1: or formal and us having to pay a cleaning fee
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Speaker 1: or something silly like that. It was nothing detrimental, thank god,
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Speaker 1: But I felt like behind the scenes and just seeing
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Speaker 1: what they did, they definitely just dealt with everything internally,
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Speaker 1: things that we didn't know, Like I stated, with nationals,
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Speaker 1: the finances of the sorority and what we needed to
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Speaker 1: basically fund our sorority. So that's why living in the
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Speaker 1: house was so important in my sorority, because that obviously
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Speaker 1: funded a lot of what we did. Now we are
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Speaker 1: going to get into our first caller. This is a
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Speaker 1: former president and she is going to remain completely anonymous. Hey,
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Speaker 1: welcome to Dirty Rush.
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Speaker 3: Hi, thanks for having me. So, Yeah, I was president
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Speaker 3: of my sorority. I I'm not going to say the
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Speaker 3: name or where it was or anything like that, just
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Speaker 3: because it's still something that's very important to me. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: I but I can say that my sorority was a
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Speaker 3: really had a really large presence on our campus. We
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Speaker 3: went to a really big public school and we had
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Speaker 3: about two hundred members of our chapter, and it was
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Speaker 3: like a really prominent chapter across the US, and so
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Speaker 3: it had very specific guidelines that you had to adhere to.
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Speaker 3: We were big on reputation, and the advisors had a
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Speaker 3: lot of oversight. So it was definitely not an easy
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Speaker 3: gig being president.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could only imagine. So what made you want
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Speaker 1: to become the president of your sorority?
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Speaker 3: Honestly, I think my experience is a little bit unique
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Speaker 3: in the fact that most of the presidents that had
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Speaker 3: come before me had been. And it's like, I don't
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Speaker 3: even want to say this, because my experience with being
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Speaker 3: president was is a little bit conflicted, like conflicting, because
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Speaker 3: while it was such an honor to be chosen by
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Speaker 3: my chapter, it wasn't something I initially ever thought, not ever,
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Speaker 3: but I didn't think it would happen. Basically every other
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Speaker 3: president before me had never been Basically if you would
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Speaker 3: have been abroad your first semester, so I had been
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Speaker 3: abroad my first semester of my junior year, and then
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Speaker 3: presidents were typically president you know, second half of their
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Speaker 3: junior year and then into like we were on quarters,
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Speaker 3: so it was like winter court. It was like the
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Speaker 3: it was by the calendar scratch all that presidents were
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Speaker 3: nominated on the calendar year, So you would be president
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Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: So it would go like spring into fall, yes, spring
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Speaker 1: into fall, right exactly, so they would kind of like
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Speaker 1: re up by the time recruitment was starting.
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Speaker 3: No, no, because our spring, because our recruitment was in
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Speaker 3: the fall.
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Speaker 1: It started before oh okay, stars was in the spring.
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Speaker 3: Recruitment happened at the beginning of every academic year.
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Speaker 1: Actually, no, I'm so lying. Our recruitment was fall as well,
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Speaker 1: so you would kind of yes, okay, so you would
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Speaker 1: bring in the new members and then that's when your
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Speaker 1: time was up basically after winter break.
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Speaker 3: Yes exactly. So like we recruited every year at the
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Speaker 3: top of the academic year, and then you would get
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Speaker 3: a new president or new board of exec whatever everyone
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Speaker 3: at the top of the calendar year. And the point
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Speaker 3: of that was to make sure that like you don't
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Speaker 3: have just like a fresh new president recruiting people like
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Speaker 3: and that the new president would get to know all
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Speaker 3: of the you know, new members of the sorority. But
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Speaker 3: I was abroad my fall quarter. We were in quarters
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Speaker 3: my fall quarter of my junior year, and typically if
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Speaker 3: you had gone abroad, you were not able to become
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Speaker 3: president because you didn't just recruit, like you didn't know
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Speaker 3: all the new members that were in your sorority, so
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Speaker 3: like people were like, who is this girl? But basically
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Speaker 3: and I also had not been a member of exec,
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Speaker 3: which was but I had been social chair of my sorority,
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Speaker 3: and I basically applied not thinking I would ever get it,
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Speaker 3: just because typically there are whisperings on like who would
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Speaker 3: become president in our year. I just think there were
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Speaker 3: other people who they thought would maybe get it, and
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Speaker 3: I kind of clicked it because you know when you're
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Speaker 3: applying for a job and you want to make it
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Speaker 3: seem like like I really wanted recruitment chair. But I
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Speaker 3: was like, Okay, I'll click president because I want to
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Speaker 3: make it seem like I would want to do everything,
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Speaker 3: or like I wouldn't just want to do the fun job.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like that I can fit any yeah, requirements that
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Speaker 1: you give me, basically, like I'm applicable to do it all.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I remember, and this is maybe it all
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Speaker 3: sound really bad. It wasn't all just bad. But I
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Speaker 3: remember getting the call that I and I and they
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Speaker 3: were like, you're our first call and we're calling to
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Speaker 3: you know, ask you if you accept the position of
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Speaker 3: being president of ex chapter. And I was abroad in
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Speaker 3: Portugal with my boyfriend at the time, and he had
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Speaker 3: this video of me like stepping in the out of
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Speaker 3: the bathroom in our hotel room, and I was on
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Speaker 3: the phone and he was like, what did they say?
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Speaker 3: And I was like, they asked me to be president.
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Speaker 3: And this was like a huge deal because our chapter
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Speaker 3: was so big and Greek life was just a big
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Speaker 3: part of my college experience. And also our sorority in
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Speaker 3: particular had a lot of rules that came from national
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Speaker 3: so like people don't really know this until you're like
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Speaker 3: on the inside of it, but like from sorority to sorority,
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Speaker 3: whether you're in Alpha Fi or Pi Fi or Theta
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Speaker 3: or Kappa or whatever, on a national level, all the
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Speaker 3: rules within your sorority you have to adhere to the
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Speaker 3: schools like pan Hellenic rules, and then also to like
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Speaker 3: the rules nationally from your specific sorority that apply to
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Speaker 3: your sorority across all different campuses, and ours in particular
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Speaker 3: had like very specific rules that other sororities didn't, and
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Speaker 3: like it just made the job a little bit harder.
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Speaker 2: And so.
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Speaker 3: I remember he was like and I was someone who
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Speaker 3: was like always just had a plate that was a
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Speaker 3: little bit too full in college, Like I just I
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Speaker 3: would do too many classes. I always had an internship
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Speaker 3: or a job because I needed to work, and like,
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Speaker 3: being a sorority president is a full time, unpaid job.
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Speaker 3: And I remember he was like, I don't think you
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Speaker 3: should take it, and I was like, I can't say no.
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Speaker 3: And I was also like, no, I think I'm up
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Speaker 3: for the challenge, like I.
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Speaker 1: Can do it, yeah, and.
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Speaker 3: I think I don't regret it, Like, but it did
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Speaker 3: take a serious toll, I would say on like just
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Speaker 3: my mental health because of how much like the position required,
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Speaker 3: and it like I don't think people understand you as
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Speaker 3: the president are looking at every single thing that has
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Speaker 3: to do with your story.
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Speaker 1: So how much power did you actually have?
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Speaker 3: You have, like you have all the power, yeah, beyond
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Speaker 3: just like you can make any rules or any decisions
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Speaker 3: barring what you know your advisor or the school says
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Speaker 3: you can and can't do or whatever. But with like
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Speaker 3: that power, it becomes becomes like a ton of responsibility
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Speaker 3: and you want to make the right decision, and how
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Speaker 3: do you know what's the right decision? You're also like
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Speaker 3: nineteen twenty years.
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Speaker 1: Old dealing with everything basically running your entire chapter.
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Speaker 3: And a chapter is like it's at the end of
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Speaker 3: the day, it's a business, like you are managing with
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Speaker 3: the help of like your finance chair, a budget of
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Speaker 3: over a million dollars that has to do like with housing,
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Speaker 3: everything that has to do with your house. And we
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Speaker 3: had a two like a double lot sixty girl house
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Speaker 3: that like we had to manage with complete with chefs
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Speaker 3: and staff and a house mom and everything that that
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Speaker 3: was a big part of it. And like we would
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Speaker 3: have like four to five events a week that I had,
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Speaker 3: and I was required to attend every single one of them. Wow,
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Speaker 3: And I was a junior and my friends at the
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Speaker 3: time like would come to some of them.
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Speaker 1: With me, But you really weren't required to go to
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Speaker 1: events as you got older. It was exactly the freshman
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Speaker 1: and sophomore is that had to go exactly.
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Speaker 3: And our freshmen and softwares were so cool that like
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Speaker 3: and I got like to know them really well. And
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Speaker 3: I also lived in the house with them.
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Speaker 1: That's right, because as a president, you're required to live
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Speaker 1: in the house, right.
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Speaker 3: Yes, you're required. And all my friends were like living
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Speaker 3: in apartments off campus. So I think that piece of
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Speaker 3: it is a little bit ice can be a little
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Speaker 3: bit isolating, but I have a lot of friends who
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Speaker 3: were on exec and stuff. I just almost feel like
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Speaker 3: you should be president when you're younger and more involved
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Speaker 3: in your sorority as opposed to being like a junior
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Speaker 3: and senior, because it would be like half of your
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Speaker 3: junior year, half of your senior year yeah. So anyways,
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Speaker 3: that is kind of just a brief overview. So it's
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Speaker 3: a little bit like, while I'm so grateful for that
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Speaker 3: experience and it taught me so much, and I do
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Speaker 3: think it's something like you can put on your resume
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Speaker 3: and people.
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Speaker 1: Seem it's really great, Oh my gosh, like.
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Speaker 3: You did that. That's wild, like and everyone knows like
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Speaker 3: it's a lot of just like thankless work and you're
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Speaker 3: not only it's like you're running like a business, but
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Speaker 3: every member of the business is like your best friends,
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Speaker 3: and that can get a little dicey.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you were. I mean, you seem amazing, but
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you were so loved, Like did everyone in
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Speaker 1: your sorority love you? Fear you? What do you think?
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Speaker 3: Like, I don't know that I was ever. I also
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Speaker 3: would give, like, just to be honest, I think I
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Speaker 3: was a little bit like and this might get me
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Speaker 3: in trouble, but I was a little like, Okay, if
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Speaker 3: I'm going to take this job, for this role, I'm
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Speaker 3: like gonna do it my way. And every most of
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Speaker 3: the presidents that I had known, basically like the requirement
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Speaker 3: was that you were sober at all events and that
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Speaker 3: like you had to be just this like pristine example.
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Speaker 3: And I already had like internships in a great GPA
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Speaker 3: and whatever, and I was just like, that'll be my
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Speaker 3: example I'm setting. But like, there's no way I'm going
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Speaker 3: to five events a week and I'm going to be sober.
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Speaker 3: Like I just was like, there's no way.
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Speaker 1: And especially also going into junior year. You're turning twenty
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Speaker 1: one and then senior this is your last year at
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Speaker 1: your university.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, and so I would give my I would
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Speaker 3: say it was like a BB plus president. I wasn't
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Speaker 3: an A plus.
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Speaker 1: Like okay, but I feel like every president breaks that rule.
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Speaker 1: Like I would see my president at like in Zada,
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Speaker 1: and like they were hammered all the time at ours.
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Speaker 3: At ours, they were not like they took it very seriously.
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Speaker 1: Oh maybe I shouldn't say that. Maybe I'm going to
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Speaker 1: get my president, Okay, But I also graduated college now
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Speaker 1: this is almost like three years ago, so it's totally fine.
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Speaker 3: But like other presidents and other sororities could or they whatever.
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Speaker 3: And I like actually lived with another president at the
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Speaker 3: time or no, I was just really close. I had
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Speaker 3: lived abroad, but like was really close with another president
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Speaker 3: at the time, and she would always like get drunk
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Speaker 3: in her. It was about like our advisor, it was
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Speaker 3: really of our specific chapter was just pretty strict on it.
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Speaker 3: But I just was like, there's just no way I'm
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Speaker 3: I'm going to all these events. And like, so I
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Speaker 3: think I was pretty loose with people and more friendly,
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Speaker 3: but if like, oh no, I also think like girls
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Speaker 3: were pretty smart and like there wasn't anything that I
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Speaker 3: was going to say or do that was going to
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Speaker 3: make them act in a different way. Like we definitely
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Speaker 3: had a standard that we had to upkeep, but we
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Speaker 3: always got like highest GPA on the row, and I
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Speaker 3: don't know, I think we were all like pretty much
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Speaker 3: preserved our reputation.
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Speaker 1: Did you ever have to discipline one of your friends
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Speaker 1: and did that ever put you in an awkward situation?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 3: So I remember. So there was a big thing. I
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Speaker 3: went to school in like a big city, and so
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Speaker 3: a lot of our events would be off campus. Like
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Speaker 3: if we were have a mixer or a date party,
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Speaker 3: we would take buses to a venues off campus. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and like the buses were always just this big deal
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Speaker 3: because people would always just have too much to drink
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Speaker 3: and throw up or pee or whatever, Like there's always
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Speaker 3: like bodily.
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Speaker 1: Fluids, always crazy and I never organized.
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Speaker 3: I know, and we like and there was just I
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Speaker 3: mean as president and I was I just said, like
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Speaker 3: I would drink at events, but I was always like
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Speaker 3: pretty sober.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like okay, yes you would drink, but you also
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Speaker 1: were never obliterated to the point that you couldn't oversee
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Speaker 1: the entire event exactly.
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Speaker 3: And I just was exposed to so many bodily fluids.
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Speaker 3: It was just gross. Like how many girls would throw
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Speaker 3: up on themselves or throw on other people. Oh my god, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I have two really bad stories. Okay, one of them
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Speaker 3: was I just remember that. The first story was one
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Speaker 3: of my friends she had she thought she had like
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Speaker 3: stealthily peed on a bus. But there were multiple basically whatever,
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Speaker 3: there would be throw up or pee or whatever on
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Speaker 3: a bus because people would get these venues were like
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Speaker 3: twenty thirty minutes away and everyone's drink alcohol and there,
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Speaker 3: you know, need to go to the bathroom or we're
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Speaker 3: not pulling over. So people would get creative and try
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Speaker 3: and like stealthily pee on the bus.
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Speaker 1: Oh, like p in their water bottles and stuff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like p and their water bottles were just like
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Speaker 3: flat out pe on the floor, and whenever that would happen,
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Speaker 3: the sorority would be fined like five hundred dollars from
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Speaker 3: the bus company. Yeah, each incident of peeing. And then
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Speaker 3: we as a sorority, like a big job of mine
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Speaker 3: was to like go find who that person was. And
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Speaker 3: we would have like freshmen who would sit on the
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Speaker 3: bus and basically be like just the narcs that would
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Speaker 3: call like just like try to look for who was
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Speaker 3: throwing up her peeing on the bus, and then like
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Speaker 3: would report back to me. And one of them was
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Speaker 3: my friend. And there were multiple witnesses that said, like, yes,
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Speaker 3: she beat on the bus, so we had to call
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Speaker 3: her into our standards.
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Speaker 1: I'd say, like, why the hell are you peeing on
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Speaker 1: the bus?
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Speaker 3: And she's and it's just so awkward because she's sitting
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Speaker 3: right there and she's like one of my best friends,
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Speaker 3: and I have to put on my sorority hat and
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Speaker 3: be like, so we know that this this behavior is
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Speaker 3: not you would have to say specific verbiage like this
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Speaker 3: behavior is not in line with our chapter's values. And
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Speaker 3: she swore up and down that she didn't do it
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Speaker 3: because she didn't want to pay five hundred bucks. And
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Speaker 3: before we had called her in the standard, she asked me.
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Speaker 3: She was like, can you just like get rid of this?
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Speaker 3: Like I know we have money in the budget, can
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Speaker 3: we just can we just really you're gonna make me
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Speaker 3: pay for this? And I was like, and that would
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Speaker 3: like when my friends would do that, I'd be like, well,
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Speaker 3: that's also.
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Speaker 1: Like a very crappy position to put you in, because
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Speaker 1: when there's multiple witnesses, how can you not like hold
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Speaker 1: her accountable for that?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: And that's like where I would get and my friends
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Speaker 3: would do that a fair amount, And that's where I
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Speaker 3: would have to be like, Okay, guys, we're all friends
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Speaker 3: because we're all in this sorority and there has to
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Speaker 3: be a president of this sorority, and I'm the president,
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Speaker 3: and now you guys are putting me and I do
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Speaker 3: all this stuff for our sorority that we're all still
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Speaker 3: involved in, like for the sake of like continuing everything.
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Speaker 1: And also you could you know, your friend for peeing
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Speaker 1: on the bus out of respect for you knowing that
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Speaker 1: your president, maybe she should have controlled her bladder.
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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. And I'm like no, because I can't do that.
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Speaker 3: I can't do that for you. So that was my
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Speaker 3: one hard line. It's like I would never give handout
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Speaker 3: favors to friends or whatever. Yeah, because you can't make
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Speaker 3: a freshman pay five hundred bucks for throwing up at
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Speaker 3: their first date party and then a junior for peeing
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Speaker 3: on the bus when they should know way better. Like yeah,
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Speaker 3: So that one was that was one bad time, and
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Speaker 3: then there was another time. And it just really what's
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Speaker 3: into perspective, Like when you're a lot more sober at
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Speaker 3: these events, you realize what it looks like from the outside,
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Speaker 3: because I feel like sometimes when you're drunk, you don't
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Speaker 3: realize what you look like in certain situations. And this
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Speaker 3: was one where I was on a party bus on
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Speaker 3: a way back from an event and a girl was
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Speaker 3: literally like straddling her boyfriend right in front of me
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Speaker 3: on the way back and she was like straddling him
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Speaker 3: and kind of making out with him, and the lights
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Speaker 3: are on in this bus and everyone is like looking
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Speaker 3: at them, like, oh my gosh, it's so embarrassing, and
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Speaker 3: I'm like, do I have to go interject and say
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Speaker 3: like this is inappropriate?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like please stop doing this.
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Speaker 3: To make matters worse, she starts like looking like she's
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Speaker 3: gonna throw up, and so I like hand her bag
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Speaker 3: and she is straddling her boyfriend throwing up into a
19:54
Speaker 3: puke bag on the side, and I just was maybe
19:57
Speaker 3: get off your boyfriend, like what, Oh my god, there's
20:01
Speaker 3: so this is all its awful, it's so bad. And
20:04
Speaker 3: then so we had to call her into standards and
20:06
Speaker 3: she just like had no memory of this, and she
20:09
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I'm sorry.
20:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's sad.
20:13
Speaker 3: And she was like, I'm so sorry. I have no
20:16
Speaker 3: idea what avent did. And so I had to tell
20:18
Speaker 3: her and on a sober Monday.
20:21
Speaker 1: Night, yeah, like, this is what happened.
20:25
Speaker 3: You were straddling your boyfriend and then and she was
20:28
Speaker 3: like a freshman and.
20:29
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, that's mortifying. She's probably so embarrassed.
20:34
Speaker 4: I know.
20:34
Speaker 3: And so you like there's moments like that where you're
20:37
Speaker 3: like this is like really egregious, but also I feel awful,
20:42
Speaker 3: like reprimanding you for this.
20:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that you know, also hearing these stories and
20:49
Speaker 1: you know, even though she didn't remember, she probably made
20:53
Speaker 1: sure to never do that again.
20:56
Speaker 5: Yeah.
20:57
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would just say, like rule THEMB if
21:03
Speaker 3: you think your president doesn't know something they do. They
21:06
Speaker 3: know everything because we're like it's all like confidential, but
21:10
Speaker 3: we know everything from what your GPA is to to
21:15
Speaker 3: if you're on social probate, like if you can't pay
21:18
Speaker 3: your dues, to like I don't know. And presidents across
21:24
Speaker 3: sororities talk, presidents across fraternities talk like a big reason
21:28
Speaker 3: why a lot of people are nominated president is because
21:30
Speaker 3: like there's someone who's in the know and has friends
21:32
Speaker 3: across other chapters too.
21:34
Speaker 1: Everything's very connected. Everyone knows everything. And don't think your
21:38
Speaker 1: president will not find out a little bit.
21:43
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:43
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming on to Dirty
21:46
Speaker 1: Rush and thank you for sharing your stories.
21:48
Speaker 5: You got it.
22:03
Speaker 1: Okay, Hey guys, and we have our second caller here,
22:07
Speaker 1: former president of a sorority. Hi, how are you? And
22:10
Speaker 1: welcome to Dirty Rush.
22:12
Speaker 2: Thank you excited to be here.
22:15
Speaker 1: So take me back. What made you want to become
22:17
Speaker 1: president of your sorority.
22:20
Speaker 2: I feel really lucky.
22:22
Speaker 5: It was kind of like a great opportunity for me,
22:26
Speaker 5: and I loved the house and wanted to give back,
22:29
Speaker 5: and I had other roles in the sorority. And it's
22:33
Speaker 5: usually the junior year that junior into your senior year.
22:38
Speaker 5: It was like spring of your junior year into your
22:39
Speaker 5: senior year that you for my sorority that your term
22:43
Speaker 5: was and some of the other juniors were abroad, and
22:47
Speaker 5: I had been involved in other roles in the sorority,
22:50
Speaker 5: and I thought I would try the try for it,
22:53
Speaker 5: and I did in and won, and I was surprised
22:57
Speaker 5: that I kind of that I won, but then that
23:00
Speaker 5: I did it.
23:02
Speaker 2: Overall, I'm glad I did. It was definitely hard at
23:04
Speaker 2: the time when I was in it.
23:06
Speaker 5: There were a lot of things I didn't think about
23:09
Speaker 5: before I committed to doing it.
23:12
Speaker 1: What were some things that you didn't think about?
23:13
Speaker 2: Well, you know, because the problem not the problem.
23:17
Speaker 5: You have to uphold all the rules and regulations of
23:20
Speaker 5: the house. And I felt really bad in a couple
23:25
Speaker 5: of situations because it was like some of my best friends.
23:28
Speaker 2: Quote unquote breaking the rules.
23:30
Speaker 5: Like one of the rules was that at my sorority
23:33
Speaker 5: we all lived in the house. All the girls had
23:35
Speaker 5: to live in the house. And of course some of
23:37
Speaker 5: the girls have boyfriends, like you're in college, and one
23:41
Speaker 5: of my friends had a very serious, steady boyfriend that
23:45
Speaker 5: you'd been dating for a couple of years, and she
23:48
Speaker 5: would sneak him upstairs to her room, which is like
23:51
Speaker 5: a total no no.
23:54
Speaker 2: And then so she got called.
23:55
Speaker 5: To standards what standards for it, which was our Sunday
23:59
Speaker 5: meeting where girls.
24:00
Speaker 2: Would get in trouble, And it was just so hard.
24:03
Speaker 5: When it's somebody like you love and trust and I
24:05
Speaker 5: know she wasn't doing like maliciously or you know, anything.
24:10
Speaker 1: And then you have to be present for those meetings,
24:13
Speaker 1: but you have.
24:13
Speaker 5: To be like president first, and like you there's a
24:16
Speaker 5: side of you that just wants to turn a blind eye,
24:19
Speaker 5: right and just pretend none of it's happening. So so
24:23
Speaker 5: there was definitely situations like that.
24:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a caller before this and she kind
24:28
Speaker 1: of dealt with the same things. But you know, I'm
24:30
Speaker 1: sure you had this conversation with your friends as well.
24:33
Speaker 1: But they do have to understand that this is now
24:35
Speaker 1: your role in the sorority, so that they understand the
24:38
Speaker 1: risks that they're taking and hopefully that didn't affect your friendships,
24:41
Speaker 1: but they also, you know, had to respect what you
24:44
Speaker 1: were doing for the sorority that you and all of
24:47
Speaker 1: your friends were in, and they shouldn't have you know,
24:51
Speaker 1: they shouldn't have wanted to put you in that situation.
24:53
Speaker 1: Although something like that, we know that that happens countless
24:59
Speaker 1: times and already houses where the girls are sneaking guys in,
25:04
Speaker 1: and it's just what it is, and it happens, I
25:08
Speaker 1: think in almost every single sorority, if you know, no
25:12
Speaker 1: one wants to admit to it, it does. And that's
25:17
Speaker 1: a silly thing. And I'm sure, especially because she was
25:19
Speaker 1: in a study relationship, she was like, Okay, will never
25:22
Speaker 1: happen again, right right.
25:24
Speaker 5: I think what I learned about myself is I'm a
25:27
Speaker 5: person who doesn't like conflict.
25:28
Speaker 2: Like I don't like conflict with my friends.
25:30
Speaker 5: I don't like so I just like, you know, it's
25:34
Speaker 5: so hard when you're like, all of a sudden, you're
25:37
Speaker 5: in this role where you're like, you're my best friend
25:39
Speaker 5: and I totally understand why you're doing it, and I
25:41
Speaker 5: don't think it's that wrong, but yet I have to
25:43
Speaker 5: hold up this role or like you know, girls with
25:45
Speaker 5: like pre party in their rooms or like smoke a
25:48
Speaker 5: cigarette off their balcony or whatever, and you're just like
25:52
Speaker 5: and I found with myself that you know, like it's hard,
25:56
Speaker 5: like you almost want to just turn a blind eye
25:58
Speaker 5: versus deal like go face to face with the person
26:02
Speaker 5: or the conflict, because I just I try to avoid.
26:05
Speaker 2: The conflict at all.
26:07
Speaker 5: So I really did learn that about myself that I
26:09
Speaker 5: try and avoid conflict.
26:10
Speaker 1: At your peak, how much power did you actually have?
26:14
Speaker 2: You know?
26:15
Speaker 5: I would say That's what like is really interesting, is
26:19
Speaker 5: like it was really the VP of standards what we
26:21
Speaker 5: call that kind of had like more power as far.
26:26
Speaker 2: It was not a super like powerful position.
26:29
Speaker 5: I wasn't making decisions without multiple people and a lot
26:33
Speaker 5: of conversations, so it was not And it had a
26:36
Speaker 5: very active alumni board. So there were a lot of
26:40
Speaker 5: women who were you know, had graduated and were in
26:43
Speaker 5: careers or much older, and they had a lot of like,
26:47
Speaker 5: thank goodness, like a lot of knowledge. And I find
26:51
Speaker 5: in retrospect, I think the thing that so many of
26:54
Speaker 5: us don't realize is like here you are, you're young,
26:56
Speaker 5: and you're like in charge of this house, and like
27:00
Speaker 5: did I really like finances and safety? And like you're
27:03
Speaker 5: so naive as a college student, like you're not thinking
27:07
Speaker 5: about like long term consequences, like you know, like what
27:11
Speaker 5: if something happened and there wasn't consent with that boy
27:13
Speaker 5: in the room or like there's so many things that
27:15
Speaker 5: could have happened, and the liability that the house takes
27:19
Speaker 5: by having all these girls there living.
27:22
Speaker 1: There one hundred percent. What's something people think a sorority
27:26
Speaker 1: president does versus what you were actually doing day to day.
27:30
Speaker 5: I think that to your point, Like you you think
27:34
Speaker 5: a president like has so much power, and I think
27:38
Speaker 5: that that was definitely not true. I think there was
27:41
Speaker 5: a lot more like silly kind of meetings, like so
27:46
Speaker 5: many meetings that people don't tell you about, the kind
27:50
Speaker 5: of you know, the philanthropy were all, I mean, not
27:53
Speaker 5: the philanthropy side. But then then all the sorority and
27:57
Speaker 5: fraternity presidents would meet on the campus, So there was that,
28:01
Speaker 5: and then there was the alumni meetings, and then it
28:04
Speaker 5: ended up being a lot more time and a lot
28:06
Speaker 5: more coordination of lots of different areas than I thought,
28:13
Speaker 5: and then lots of little like wonderful surprises, like you know,
28:18
Speaker 5: like the initiation where the public speaking, where you're initiating
28:21
Speaker 5: the girls, Like I did become a better public speaker
28:23
Speaker 5: I think because of it. But the initiation was like
28:27
Speaker 5: ended up being so special to be a part of
28:29
Speaker 5: that and do that for girls and share that with
28:33
Speaker 5: so many women, so that was like a secret surprise too.
28:38
Speaker 1: Do you feel like the role of being a president
28:41
Speaker 1: of a sorority has changed over time and maybe become
28:46
Speaker 1: more serious or maybe a little more of a handful.
28:50
Speaker 2: You know, I think everything. I think the hardest thing
28:54
Speaker 2: for this whole.
28:55
Speaker 5: Generation right now is I believe you don't grow unless
28:59
Speaker 5: you make mistass and we're all going to make mistakes.
29:01
Speaker 5: And I think the hardest thing right now for this
29:03
Speaker 5: whole generation of college kids and high school kids is
29:08
Speaker 5: that everything is on video and photographed and you're not
29:14
Speaker 5: almost not allowed to make mistakes because it will be captured.
29:18
Speaker 5: So so I think that is probably like the hardest
29:23
Speaker 5: thing that I did not have. Like things definitely happened,
29:27
Speaker 5: but it could be more of a he said, she said,
29:30
Speaker 5: And now it's like, oh, you did sneak your boyfriend
29:33
Speaker 5: in here, look here, it is on the video.
29:34
Speaker 2: Camera type thing.
29:36
Speaker 5: Or you were drinking or you were smoking or whatever
29:39
Speaker 5: it may be. Like everything is captured now, and I
29:42
Speaker 5: think that's really hard for kids because you are going
29:45
Speaker 5: to make mistakes and that's the only way to learn.
29:47
Speaker 1: I think one hundred percent. And it is true because
29:52
Speaker 1: now the houses have cameras, and I'm sure that wasn't
29:55
Speaker 1: you know. I'm sure they didn't have cameras when you
29:57
Speaker 1: were president. And it's just things do really change where
30:01
Speaker 1: you are. All of your moments are captured and there
30:04
Speaker 1: really is no going around it. But you're right, because
30:08
Speaker 1: you do have to make those mistakes to then learn
30:10
Speaker 1: become a better person and not do it again. And
30:14
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like sometimes people it's so hard
30:20
Speaker 1: to sometimes almost learn from I don't know if this
30:25
Speaker 1: is necessarily true, but it's hard because like when you're
30:28
Speaker 1: caught red handed and there's proof and you can't get
30:32
Speaker 1: around it, it's a lot more intimidating than just you know,
30:36
Speaker 1: being confronted on it, like addressing the issue and learning
30:40
Speaker 1: from it. So I guess it goes both ways. You know,
30:43
Speaker 1: you want to have the proof, but then it's also
30:45
Speaker 1: super intimidating, especially while you're being addressed by a group
30:50
Speaker 1: of girls in your sorority, and it obviously is an
30:53
Speaker 1: embarrassing feeling.
30:55
Speaker 2: Very embarrassing and very shameful. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
30:58
Speaker 5: And I also don't like reputation for me, like we
31:02
Speaker 5: all want to be, like I wanted to be, like
31:04
Speaker 5: fun you know, funds ERAa, not like the one who's
31:09
Speaker 5: like uptight and.
31:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly do you feel like you were feared loved
31:13
Speaker 1: or a mix of both?
31:14
Speaker 2: As I think it was a mix of both.
31:16
Speaker 5: And I think I was trying really hard to still
31:19
Speaker 5: be like the fun person I was and the laughter
31:23
Speaker 5: and all of that. And I think that's where I
31:26
Speaker 5: really struggled, is how do you uphold these standards in
31:29
Speaker 5: these rules and still have like, you know, still have
31:33
Speaker 5: the people feel like they can come to you and
31:36
Speaker 5: tell tell you their problems or their issues because we're all.
31:39
Speaker 2: Going to have them, like there's no way around it.
31:43
Speaker 5: So so yeah, I think I really struggled trying to
31:46
Speaker 5: toggle those two. And that's what I really didn't like
31:50
Speaker 5: about being president is that like, I don't you know,
31:53
Speaker 5: like me and every teenager will say, like rules may
31:56
Speaker 5: be meant to be broken, and I don't think they're
31:58
Speaker 5: meant to be broken, but like they will be broken.
32:00
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to want like the discipline.
32:02
Speaker 1: I didn't like that role of like class, and that's inevitable,
32:05
Speaker 1: especially in a sorority house where you're dealing with, you know,
32:08
Speaker 1: everybody in your chapter. It's hard to contain everybody.
32:12
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, definitely, definitely.
32:15
Speaker 1: Did you ever have to cover something up for the
32:17
Speaker 1: sake of the chapter?
32:19
Speaker 5: I did not, thank goodness, because that would have been
32:22
Speaker 5: a really tricky snism.
32:24
Speaker 1: Thank God. What's the messiest situation you had to deal
32:27
Speaker 1: with as president?
32:28
Speaker 5: There was a situation where some girls felt like the
32:34
Speaker 5: freshman class or the incoming class to be quote unquote
32:38
Speaker 5: like you know, haze not hayes is the wrong word,
32:42
Speaker 5: like you know, and kind of like you're new, we
32:47
Speaker 5: need to show you what it means to be in
32:48
Speaker 5: this house, and you need to show respect to the olders.
32:51
Speaker 5: And so that was kind of tricky because I was
32:53
Speaker 5: I was older and friends with the olders. Yet these
32:55
Speaker 5: are like these you know, sweet young girls who looked
32:58
Speaker 5: up to me and trusted me, and so again it
33:01
Speaker 5: was toggling that situation again where you're.
33:06
Speaker 2: Just like, I hate being caught in the middle of this.
33:09
Speaker 5: I hated the standards meetings where we had to call
33:11
Speaker 5: people in and tell them what they did wrong, Like
33:14
Speaker 5: it's just like I think I felt the shame that
33:17
Speaker 5: they were feeling. And so, so yeah, there were a
33:22
Speaker 5: lot of situations where it was very tricky and very messy,
33:26
Speaker 5: and we did have a situation like you know, even
33:30
Speaker 5: just in the house, like where somebody took a bag
33:32
Speaker 5: of who and like threw it at our front door,
33:36
Speaker 5: and so then we had to get the campus involved,
33:38
Speaker 5: and it just and the like house mom and like
33:42
Speaker 5: it just became more and more. I loved more the
33:44
Speaker 5: like little situations where it was like girls had broken
33:47
Speaker 5: into the kitchen to get food at night, when those
33:50
Speaker 5: are the things I preferred versus these like bigger issues.
33:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, did you ever personally do something you probably
33:59
Speaker 1: shouldn't have as president?
34:02
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, I definitely did.
34:05
Speaker 5: And that's why I think when it was like senior Spring,
34:08
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm so.
34:09
Speaker 2: Glad to not have this.
34:11
Speaker 5: But I felt like even after I was done being president,
34:15
Speaker 5: like the alumni council who kind of like oversees the house,
34:19
Speaker 5: we're always looking at like you're on this like platform
34:23
Speaker 5: and it's expected you're going to never break the rules
34:25
Speaker 5: and never.
34:27
Speaker 2: Not do the you know, certain things.
34:30
Speaker 5: So but it was definitely relieve to like not be
34:33
Speaker 5: president anymore and hand it off to somebody else. And
34:36
Speaker 5: it's interesting though, like I think it's all personality because
34:39
Speaker 5: the girl who was the VP of Standards and really
34:42
Speaker 5: in charge of it. She loved it, like she loved
34:45
Speaker 5: it was she really enjoyed the standard. She really enjoyed
34:49
Speaker 5: getting to the bottom of why this girl smacked the
34:51
Speaker 5: boy in or why this girl did that, or like
34:53
Speaker 5: she and so I kind of.
34:55
Speaker 1: Maybe she was going to be a lawyer.
34:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. She didn't mind the conflict, yeah at all.
35:03
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming on to Dirty
35:05
Speaker 1: Rush and sharing your experience as president. I hope you
35:08
Speaker 1: have an amazing day.
35:09
Speaker 6: Thanks for sharing your story.
35:25
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, and we are going to get into our
35:27
Speaker 1: last caller. She is actually not a former president of
35:32
Speaker 1: her sorority, but she is going to give the ins
35:34
Speaker 1: and outs of what her experience has been like watching
35:38
Speaker 1: her president guide her sorority.
35:41
Speaker 6: Hey, how are you good?
35:43
Speaker 4: Hi?
35:44
Speaker 1: So you are currently in college right now?
35:47
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, yeah, I'm kind of You can consider me
35:51
Speaker 4: a spokesperson, I guess for my past president. She you know,
35:57
Speaker 4: she had an interesting time as president, and I think
36:00
Speaker 4: a lot of it feels a little bit too close
36:01
Speaker 4: to home to want to talk about. I think there's
36:05
Speaker 4: definitely a sad to being president that once you finish
36:07
Speaker 4: your term, you kind of leave things in the past,
36:09
Speaker 4: and when I asked her she wanted to come and
36:11
Speaker 4: chat about it. It was a hard no. So yeah,
36:14
Speaker 4: I'm taking some of her stories and she's given me
36:17
Speaker 4: the liberty to share it with everyone. But it's yeah,
36:21
Speaker 4: it was an interesting time for her, so.
36:23
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean share whatever she was comfortable with.
36:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I guess the first story I would share. Unfortunately,
36:33
Speaker 4: in my storty there is a bit of a lack
36:37
Speaker 4: of a better term, drug scene. I feel like that
36:43
Speaker 4: is unfortunately quite common in a lot of storties. But
36:45
Speaker 4: I think I don't know if it has something to
36:48
Speaker 4: do with the stress of being in that top executive
36:51
Speaker 4: position that makes it feel more accessible or more interesting,
36:56
Speaker 4: or maybe it's the crossover with hanging out with frat
37:00
Speaker 4: guys and other frat presidents. But at least in my
37:03
Speaker 4: friend's experience when she was president, there was one instance
37:08
Speaker 4: in which, as many people know, I'm not sure I
37:11
Speaker 4: assume this is common knowledge, but the chapter room and
37:14
Speaker 4: a sorority is extremely sacred and it's not a space
37:17
Speaker 4: that you allow girls, especially not guys, to come into
37:21
Speaker 4: if they're not in the sorority. It's kind of especially
37:25
Speaker 4: like left for just the girls in the house. And
37:28
Speaker 4: there was one particular instance in which my friend the
37:32
Speaker 4: president decided to kind of abandon that rule and after
37:36
Speaker 4: a game day when a lot of her friends had
37:40
Speaker 4: been drinking. This was kind of a combination of a
37:43
Speaker 4: game day. But also at my school there's a secret
37:47
Speaker 4: society for presidents and it involves a lot of drinking.
37:50
Speaker 4: So I guess she had made the poor judgment of
37:53
Speaker 4: allowing the chapter door rooms to open and invited a
37:57
Speaker 4: lot of people into the chapter a party after a
38:03
Speaker 4: game day, and one thing led to another obviously involved
38:07
Speaker 4: a lot of alcohol, but it also involved doing lines
38:10
Speaker 4: of cocaine off of the yearbooks of our sorority.
38:15
Speaker 1: So and obviously it's a game day, it's very hectic.
38:19
Speaker 1: People were clearly going in and out of the house
38:23
Speaker 1: watching her do this. So just like a horrible representation, obviously,
38:29
Speaker 1: right president?
38:30
Speaker 4: Unfortunately?
38:31
Speaker 1: Yes?
38:31
Speaker 4: And also I think this particular president was absolutely like
38:37
Speaker 4: perfect at creating a really wonderful image. She was the
38:41
Speaker 4: embodiment of what you would look up to as a
38:43
Speaker 4: role model of a president, and in many ways still
38:46
Speaker 4: has that same demeanor. But I think after this particular event,
38:49
Speaker 4: things definitely changed and shifted in the house. I think
38:52
Speaker 4: it kind of created this you know, uncertainty of like
38:55
Speaker 4: what does it look like to be in leadership and
38:57
Speaker 4: a sorority and why is our president kind of a
39:00
Speaker 4: ending all the social norms and rules of like being
39:03
Speaker 4: in a sorority and opening it up to just the
39:06
Speaker 4: absolute chaos of not only making day.
39:08
Speaker 1: Because then she had to continue to be president.
39:11
Speaker 4: Chapter on Monday.
39:12
Speaker 1: That that was.
39:16
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, So that was a crazy one. Another one
39:20
Speaker 4: that I find particularly hilarious just because one of my
39:23
Speaker 4: best friends was also a part of it, So it's
39:26
Speaker 4: just like something I hear and think about all the time.
39:28
Speaker 4: But basically there was another instance, unfortunately, it had to
39:31
Speaker 4: do with drugs, where the president and a couple for
39:35
Speaker 4: friends decided that living in a sorority house. I think
39:40
Speaker 4: it was a weekday was the perfect time to try
39:43
Speaker 4: and trip on shrooms. So it was this whole elaborate plan.
39:51
Speaker 4: It involved going to this psychedelic church, picking up shrooms,
39:56
Speaker 4: like doing the whole thing, coming back to the sorority house,
40:01
Speaker 4: and in order to kind of make sure that the
40:05
Speaker 4: coast was clear and that this was a safe space
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Speaker 4: to do it, they put a sign on the door
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Speaker 4: that said, in an interview, please do not knock.
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Speaker 1: And was it the chapter room again.
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Speaker 4: It was it was actually the presidential suite, so it
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Speaker 4: was her. It was her bedroom, but I had a
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Speaker 4: printed sign that said in an interview from like, I
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Speaker 4: think it was like twelve to two, do not knock.
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Speaker 4: Except the girls did not realize that they completely miscalculated
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Speaker 4: the dose of what they took, and what they were
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Speaker 4: assuming would be like a two to three hour experience
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Speaker 4: ended up being twelve hours.
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Speaker 1: Wait, and they did this in the middle of the afternoon.
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Speaker 4: It was literally daylight. I think it was like two am.
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Speaker 1: Why not at night.
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Speaker 4: So that's I think what they had in from what
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Speaker 4: I've heard from them when they talk about it, is
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Speaker 4: that they were thinking they would do it like let
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Speaker 4: the experience unfold and then go on like a nature hike.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I've yeah, I mean, and I have never done
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Speaker 1: that before, but I've heard like, you want to be
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Speaker 1: outside and like look at the sky and yeah, YadA YadA.
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Speaker 1: Apparently things look cool.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was a beautiful day. I think they
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Speaker 4: were like, oh, perfect, Like we'll go on a hike,
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Speaker 4: We'll be in the sunshine, we'll go like lay on
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Speaker 4: the grass.
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Speaker 1: Going on a hike on trooms like actually sounds like
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Speaker 1: a hard.
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Speaker 4: No, I can't, I can't even I can't really imagine
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Speaker 4: like what their thought process was and why they decided
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Speaker 4: to do that. But it didn't end up being a
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Speaker 4: three hour experience. It ended up being twelve hours. That
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Speaker 4: sign never left the door, no one ever knocked, and
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Speaker 4: it actually involved them like laying on the floor. I'm
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Speaker 4: pretty sure one of them peed the bed. Oh, they
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Speaker 4: like drew self portraits of each It was just this
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Speaker 4: whole thing. But it kind of ended up just being
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Speaker 4: this funny thing because in my in my sorority, we
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Speaker 4: have something where like the seniors and the sophomores try
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Speaker 4: and have like bonding nights where they kind of merged
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Speaker 4: the classes and merged the PC and this was one
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Speaker 4: of those instances in which they told the story as
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Speaker 4: like two truths and a lie, and no one none
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Speaker 4: of the sophomores guessed that it was real because the
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Speaker 4: way that the whole elaborate side of like it was
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Speaker 4: twelve hours, it was during the day. I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 4: it was like a Thursday.
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Speaker 1: It was like absolutely not real. No, there's no way,
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Speaker 1: that's so funny. Okay, that's hilarious. I mean as much
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Speaker 1: as your president, as you described, seem to totally want
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Speaker 1: to keep it together and have this like pristine reputation,
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Speaker 1: obviously things might have been skewed a little bit. But overall,
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Speaker 1: I think that's the hard thing about presidency and being
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Speaker 1: in a sorority that you really do have to maintain
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Speaker 1: this image and follow the rules and try to be
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Speaker 1: so perfect all the time. And sometimes when you're trying
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Speaker 1: too hard to represent that image and really set this example,
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Speaker 1: it does cause you to maybe mess up or make
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Speaker 1: some mistakes. And at the end of the day, like
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Speaker 1: the President's like they're around the same age as you,
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Speaker 1: they're going through the same experience as you. They're still
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Speaker 1: going through college, trying to live their life, and it's
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Speaker 1: you know, presidents make mistakes as well as much as
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Speaker 1: members of the sorority. So yeah, thank you for coming
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Speaker 1: on on behalf of your former president.
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Speaker 4: Of course, thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, and that is it for this episode
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