Latest / Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood / 124. The Tulsa Race Massacre
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- 0:00Speaker 1: You're listening to an Airwave Media podcast. Hello delicious friends,
- 0:19Speaker 1: and welcome to Who Died What Now? The history podcast
- 0:22Speaker 1: That's not Your History class? With me your host Katie Charlewood,
- 0:26Speaker 1: history harlot and reader of books. Speaking of books, I'm
- 0:33Speaker 1: going to be at the Redline Book Festival in Taala,
- 0:37Speaker 1: so the Civic Theater in Taala, where I'm going to
- 0:41Speaker 1: be debuting reading Between the Lines, the Dark side of
- 0:46Speaker 1: the authors you love now, being a history person, these
- 0:50Speaker 1: are going to be dead people, of course, But yeah,
- 0:54Speaker 1: we all know how I feel about Charles Dickens. He
- 0:57Speaker 1: can go choke on a bag of Dickens, to be honest.
- 1:00Speaker 1: And of course there are other authors throughout history who
- 1:03Speaker 1: we may have a perception of, especially regarding the way
- 1:08Speaker 1: and manner in which they write, but we don't know
- 1:11Speaker 1: that much about them. And I'm going to ruin everybody's
- 1:15Speaker 1: day by telling you the truth about them. And I'm
- 1:18Speaker 1: really excited. So like it's a wee thing. I thought,
- 1:21Speaker 1: if I'm going to do a book festival, why don't
- 1:23Speaker 1: I talk about authors? It just seems fun, It just
- 1:26Speaker 1: seems right, It just seems like a good thing to do.
- 1:29Speaker 1: And so that's what I'm going to be doing this Saturday,
- 1:33Speaker 1: which is the nineteenth of October. It's the nineteenth, and
- 1:37Speaker 1: then I think I might be doing something at the
- 1:39Speaker 1: Dublin Horror Club for the afternoon, showing that the evening joint,
- 1:42Speaker 1: because I've got to get back home because i haven't
- 1:44Speaker 1: done a gall and it's a bit of a trick
- 1:48Speaker 1: to be honest, but it is spooky month. And of
- 1:53Speaker 1: course I promised you more dark and horrible history and
- 1:58Speaker 1: this week is no exception. But I know what you're thinking.
- 2:02Speaker 1: You're thinking, Kerry quite el jibbljabba, in fact me, in
- 2:06Speaker 1: fact you, I will. But first we've got to get
- 2:09Speaker 1: our source on l sources are death and a Promised Land.
- 2:14Speaker 1: The Tulsa Race Riot of nineteen twenty one by Scott Ellsworth,
- 2:20Speaker 1: Tulsa Race War of nineteen twenty one by Rudia H. Halliburton,
- 2:26Speaker 1: Black Wall Street from Riot to Renaissance in Tulsa's historic
- 2:30Speaker 1: Greenwood District by Hannibal B. Johnson, The Burning, massacre, destruction
- 2:37Speaker 1: and the Tulsa Race Riot of nineteen twenty one by
- 2:40Speaker 1: Tim Marrigan. US Ethnic cleansing. The nineteen twenty one Tulsa
- 2:45Speaker 1: Massacre by Monica Murehead Remembrance, Responsibility and Reparations, the use
- 2:52Speaker 1: of emotions, and talk about the nineteen twenty one Tulsa
- 2:55Speaker 1: Race Riot by Ronnie Michel Greenwood Constructing the Dreamland. And
- 3:00Speaker 1: of course we have our old favorites History dot com
- 3:03Speaker 1: and biography dot com. I also didn't coomfortably good. Then
- 3:09Speaker 1: let's begin at the time of recording. It is October,
- 3:14Speaker 1: and I promised you all horrible, horrible history for the
- 3:18Speaker 1: entirety of Spooky month, and this week is no different.
- 3:23Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting to do the US two weeks in
- 3:26Speaker 1: a row. It wasn't intentional like that. It just kind
- 3:29Speaker 1: of happened. You know. Sometimes places do a lot of
- 3:33Speaker 1: bad stuff and they try to bury it literally, which
- 3:38Speaker 1: brings us to the nineteen twenty one Tulsa Race Riots,
- 3:42Speaker 1: which is like the sanitized title. It's kind of like
- 3:46Speaker 1: how the Irish War of Independence is also known as
- 3:49Speaker 1: the Anglo Irish War because it just sounds neater, it
- 3:54Speaker 1: sounds cleaner in a way, and the Tulsa Race Riots
- 4:00Speaker 1: it gives a very specific image, like when you hear that,
- 4:06Speaker 1: you kind of have an idea in your head of
- 4:08Speaker 1: what that's going to look like. But when you hear
- 4:11Speaker 1: the other names, it tilts that perception somewhat because it
- 4:18Speaker 1: is also known as the black Wall Street Massacre and
- 4:22Speaker 1: the Greenwood Massacre. And this was a race riot that
- 4:26Speaker 1: broke out over a century ago, lasting from May thirty
- 4:30Speaker 1: first to June first, nineteen twenty, so not a huge
- 4:36Speaker 1: period of time, but long enough for it to be
- 4:39Speaker 1: effectively buried by the city of Tulsa. And for about
- 4:43Speaker 1: eighty years, practically no one had any idea that this
- 4:48Speaker 1: had all happened, and it wasn't until a two thousand
- 4:52Speaker 1: and one report by the Oklahoma Commission that this sort
- 4:56Speaker 1: of came into the public sphere. And even with this report,
- 5:01Speaker 1: because of the time that had passed, a lot of
- 5:06Speaker 1: the details of what happened, when the exact events that
- 5:10Speaker 1: led to these riots, it's hard to get the specifics
- 5:14Speaker 1: on it. And unless we find a diary entry or
- 5:17Speaker 1: someone's recording on a gramophone, chances are those details are
- 5:22Speaker 1: going to be lost to history. Unsurprisingly, we do know
- 5:27Speaker 1: the general idea of how this came to pass, and
- 5:32Speaker 1: it starts way before the nineteen twenties. So let's take
- 5:36Speaker 1: a moment to slip into some context, shall we. So
- 5:41Speaker 1: if you go back about sixty years to eighteen sixty five,
- 5:45Speaker 1: for those of you who may not be up and
- 5:46Speaker 1: the up. An amendment in this scenario is a change
- 5:52Speaker 1: to the constitution. So in this it is a change
- 5:56Speaker 1: to the US Constitution. And this amendment is supposed to,
- 6:01Speaker 1: in theory make slavery as dead as the Confederacy in theory. Okay, sidebarb,
- 6:09Speaker 1: because it's going to bother me if I don't say it.
- 6:12Speaker 1: You see, it states that neither slavery nor involuntary servitude,
- 6:18Speaker 1: except as a punishment for crime, whereof the party shall
- 6:21Speaker 1: have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States.
- 6:26Speaker 1: And what that means is slavery is abolished in the
- 6:29Speaker 1: United States of America unless you're in prison, if you
- 6:35Speaker 1: have been convicted of a crime, you are allowed to
- 6:38Speaker 1: be used as slave labor. What a disproportionate amount of
- 6:44Speaker 1: people of color are in prisons, which is also a
- 6:48Speaker 1: money making system in the capitalist cog Why slavery in
- 6:54Speaker 1: my prisons? No? Okay, ran over back to the terrible tale.
- 7:00Speaker 1: So the thirteen Amendment is passed, slavery is abolished. Cough,
- 7:06Speaker 1: and in the South black people formally enslaved found themselves free,
- 7:14Speaker 1: actually free for the first time in their lives. However,
- 7:20Speaker 1: of course, this isn't going to be easy. I promised
- 7:22Speaker 1: your horrible history. It's horrible. So they're emancipated and they're free,
- 7:31Speaker 1: but they have nothing. So according to the constitution, you know,
- 7:36Speaker 1: these people had to be free, and they were just
- 7:39Speaker 1: with no land, no education, no money, and like a
- 7:46Speaker 1: tiny minority were able to like be socially mobile, right
- 7:52Speaker 1: and use skills to build businesses or move themselves like
- 7:57Speaker 1: up the ranks. But that's like a tiny, tiny amount.
- 8:02Speaker 1: So the majority of these newly freed people, they were
- 8:08Speaker 1: set free without a plan. And because the you know,
- 8:12Speaker 1: the federal government had created this but hadn't put anything
- 8:15Speaker 1: in place, any supports that they were just kind of
- 8:18Speaker 1: left offend for themselves. And because then states have their
- 8:23Speaker 1: own individual laws, it gave some places the opportunity to
- 8:28Speaker 1: just fuck with people because you know, racism, because there's
- 8:33Speaker 1: a lot of people who have had this ingrained in
- 8:37Speaker 1: them that they are conditioned to believe that they are superior.
- 8:42Speaker 1: A lot of white people are conditioned to believe that
- 8:45Speaker 1: they are superior to black people. Even today, even today
- 8:49Speaker 1: you see it. There is this good second coming of
- 8:53Speaker 1: the Aryan race like belief, and it's just bollocks and
- 8:57Speaker 1: stupid and I'm not going to get into it because
- 8:58Speaker 1: if I start ranting about this then I won't get
- 9:00Speaker 1: through this. So you have all these newly freed people
- 9:05Speaker 1: trying to figure it a way to build lives themselves
- 9:09Speaker 1: in a country that is doing absolutely everything to prevent
- 9:14Speaker 1: them from being able to bod lives themselves, to feed
- 9:17Speaker 1: their families, to support themselves, like just to survive. Because
- 9:23Speaker 1: here is something you should always have in the back
- 9:25Speaker 1: of your mind whenever you are reading something. I know
- 9:28Speaker 1: we talk about the who what when we're right, those
- 9:32Speaker 1: are always the big ones, but you always have to
- 9:35Speaker 1: consider why, why is this happening? Why at this time?
- 9:41Speaker 1: Like why? Because the reasoning behind something is just as
- 9:47Speaker 1: important as the something happening. And something that people do
- 9:53Speaker 1: not take into account quite a lot is the fact
- 9:56Speaker 1: that slavery was abolished not because because of it being
- 10:01Speaker 1: the right thing to do, because you know, human beings
- 10:05Speaker 1: should have basic human rights. That's not the case. The
- 10:10Speaker 1: reason slavery was abolished was because it was too expensive
- 10:14Speaker 1: to run. Like you think it's free labor, but there
- 10:18Speaker 1: are all these different parts and cogs in the machine
- 10:22Speaker 1: which are costly. You have travel, you have food, like
- 10:27Speaker 1: if you have to transport slaves in and that's why,
- 10:30Speaker 1: you know, I hate to say breeding them, like that's
- 10:33Speaker 1: why that was so important. But you have rebellions, you
- 10:38Speaker 1: have all these things that are coming into play, and
- 10:41Speaker 1: it was too expensive. That's why the British Empire transferred
- 10:45Speaker 1: from slavery to indentured servitude. And then you know, it
- 10:51Speaker 1: was it's the whole thing and I will do it
- 10:53Speaker 1: another time, but that's how that did it, and that's
- 10:58Speaker 1: why this happened. And when you had abolitionists, you had people,
- 11:02Speaker 1: you know, fighting for the greater good, but there are
- 11:05Speaker 1: people qunching the numbers. And it was very clear that
- 11:09Speaker 1: this just wasn't going to continue, like it wasn't feasible economically.
- 11:16Speaker 1: But yes, one slavery is abolished, there's this transition period
- 11:21Speaker 1: and so they were all these ways. They basically they
- 11:25Speaker 1: basically weaseled in a lot of labor which now would
- 11:29Speaker 1: be deemed as slavery, but back then wasn't just because
- 11:35Speaker 1: of the transition from chattel to things like indentured servitude, sharecropping,
- 11:40Speaker 1: so on and so forth. So with sharecropping, it's this
- 11:44Speaker 1: system in which the landlord, usually white. The white landlord
- 11:50Speaker 1: would typically have a black tenant who they would allowed
- 11:52Speaker 1: to use some of their land and their equipment in
- 11:55Speaker 1: exchange for a share of the crop that they grew.
- 11:59Speaker 1: So sharecroppers would have to endure backbreaking labor to ensure
- 12:04Speaker 1: that they had the biggest harvest they could, because if
- 12:07Speaker 1: they don't have a big enough harvest, then they're not
- 12:10Speaker 1: going to get a decent share of the crop because
- 12:13Speaker 1: they need this food to survive, and they would be
- 12:17Speaker 1: reliant on this landlord this piece of land, and it's
- 12:21Speaker 1: a vicious cycle because they would never earn enough really
- 12:24Speaker 1: to sell to kind of move on up in the world.
- 12:27Speaker 1: And a lot of people realized that the system was broken. Well,
- 12:32Speaker 1: the system wasn't broken. It works exactly the way it
- 12:36Speaker 1: was designed to to keep them down, and being aware
- 12:41Speaker 1: of the situation they were in, they wanted to break
- 12:44Speaker 1: the cycle, which brings us to O. W. Gurley, who
- 12:49Speaker 1: basically said fuck that for a game of soldiers. Now,
- 12:52Speaker 1: he did have a fairly decent job in the US
- 12:54Speaker 1: Postal Service, but he was like, not all about that,
- 12:58Speaker 1: to be honest, he thought, he did, they have more
- 13:00Speaker 1: in life, and you know what he did. So when
- 13:03Speaker 1: the great Oklahoma land rush hits, Gurley is out there
- 13:07Speaker 1: with two hands ready to grab his plot. So effectively,
- 13:12Speaker 1: there was this unassigned land in Oklahoma which was, you know,
- 13:17Speaker 1: up for grabs, and it was up for grabs for anybody.
- 13:20Speaker 1: And Gurley was one of the people who saw Oklahoma
- 13:23Speaker 1: as this land of opportunity for black Americans, specifically because
- 13:28Speaker 1: here was an area where they could be free and
- 13:31Speaker 1: they could own land and start something for themselves, build
- 13:36Speaker 1: a community. And that's something that he is just full into.
- 13:42Speaker 1: Like he starts working his way up the wrongs of
- 13:44Speaker 1: the ladder. He runs for county treasurer, he becomes principal
- 13:48Speaker 1: of the local school, and he opens a general store.
- 13:53Speaker 1: And by the turn of the century, the turn of
- 13:55Speaker 1: the twentieth century, he hears about these oil fields over
- 13:59Speaker 1: until which is like ding ding ding ding ding for him,
- 14:04Speaker 1: and he leaves Perry. So he sells his land, he
- 14:08Speaker 1: sells his store, and he upsticks the eighty miles over
- 14:12Speaker 1: to Tulsa, where he buys huge tracks of land on
- 14:15Speaker 1: the north side of the train tracks. So Gurley has
- 14:19Speaker 1: bought this land. There's nothing there, there's nothing on it
- 14:23Speaker 1: that this man has a dream, he has a plan,
- 14:27Speaker 1: he's got goals. And remember he's got huge tracks of land,
- 14:32Speaker 1: and so he's splitting it up into commercial and residential lots.
- 14:37Speaker 1: And naturally he sets up a general store in this
- 14:40Speaker 1: way avenue that he calls Greenwood. Now, as we know,
- 14:44Speaker 1: good news travels fast, and it's not long before sharecroppers,
- 14:48Speaker 1: like all across the South, start making their way towards Tulsa.
- 14:54Speaker 1: And slowly but surely, Greenwood becomes this community. And not
- 14:58Speaker 1: only that is thriving because lest we forget what's over
- 15:03Speaker 1: there in Tulsa, oil, there's oil. And so it is building,
- 15:09Speaker 1: it is growing, and it starts rivaling some of the
- 15:12Speaker 1: biggest US cities because it has like thirty five blocks
- 15:16Speaker 1: more than actually and like Greenwood ends up becoming this
- 15:20Speaker 1: town sort of inside of town, and it's got hundreds
- 15:25Speaker 1: of black owned businesses, services, community spots, there's public transportation
- 15:30Speaker 1: in theaters, it's got everything. And when you think about it,
- 15:34Speaker 1: it's only a few decades and people who wear or
- 15:37Speaker 1: would have been sharecroppers like that would have been their
- 15:40Speaker 1: only option. Now they can become lawyers, doctors, scientists, and
- 15:45Speaker 1: even millionaires. And so Greenwood is basically seen as this mecca,
- 15:51Speaker 1: this emerald city of the South, a place where black
- 15:54Speaker 1: people cannot only escape political, social, and economic oppression, but
- 15:58Speaker 1: actually thrive in the Deep South, because remember we're still
- 16:04Speaker 1: at the beginning of the twentieth century in Oklahoma, which
- 16:08Speaker 1: out with this prosperous poc paradise was a racist hellscaphere
- 16:13Speaker 1: discrimination was completely legal and lynchings were a family, fun,
- 16:17Speaker 1: community event. They would have picnics and children would have
- 16:21Speaker 1: their photos taken eating ice cream while standing next to
- 16:25Speaker 1: a hanging corpse. Unless we forget the KKK have seeped
- 16:30Speaker 1: into every angle of society. They have infiltrated every position
- 16:36Speaker 1: of power. Okay, that's out with Greenwood. And the irony
- 16:41Speaker 1: is Greenwood is flourishing because it's an economy born out
- 16:46Speaker 1: of necessity. It's the direct result of the Jim Crow Laws. So,
- 16:51Speaker 1: for those of you who are not to up on
- 16:53Speaker 1: your old timey US legislation, the Jim Crow Laws were
- 16:58Speaker 1: effectively legalized racism. So they are this collection of statutes
- 17:05Speaker 1: both at a local level, at a state level, and
- 17:07Speaker 1: they are so named after a black minstrel character, which
- 17:12Speaker 1: is a white person in blackface performing as an African
- 17:16Speaker 1: American stereotype. And the Jim Crow Laws, the Black Codes,
- 17:20Speaker 1: they enforced racial segregation, which did everything from creating barriers
- 17:26Speaker 1: to just fuel out stopping Black Americans from being able
- 17:30Speaker 1: to participate properly in the white dominated economy. African Americans
- 17:36Speaker 1: couldn't spend their money over there, so they spent it
- 17:40Speaker 1: over here. I cannot emphasize enough just how successful Greenwood is,
- 17:48Speaker 1: especially in Tulsa. It is one of the most successful
- 17:53Speaker 1: black economies in the entire history of the USA, like
- 17:58Speaker 1: the entire and that's why it gets the nickname Black
- 18:02Speaker 1: Wall Street. Like it is full of money, like it's everywhere,
- 18:08Speaker 1: and not just like a wee bit, like there's not
- 18:10Speaker 1: just some people who are doing a wee bit better
- 18:12Speaker 1: for themselves. People are not just comfortable. They are loaded,
- 18:17Speaker 1: like they have money coming at the wazoo. Like they
- 18:21Speaker 1: have luxury shops, they've got department stores. They've got the
- 18:25Speaker 1: most gorgeous churches, because of course they do. They have
- 18:28Speaker 1: these fabulous grand mansions, they've got their own hospitals, the hotels,
- 18:34Speaker 1: they've got polls because of course they can't share polls
- 18:38Speaker 1: with white folk, which is completely off the fault of
- 18:41Speaker 1: the white folk. But yeah, they've got their own banks,
- 18:45Speaker 1: they've got newspapers, they've got their own transportation systems, like
- 18:50Speaker 1: some of the people who are living here had private planes.
- 18:54Speaker 1: Like I said, these people are doing well. People are
- 18:58Speaker 1: investing in their own economy, like, not just because they
- 19:01Speaker 1: want to, but because they have to because of the
- 19:04Speaker 1: segregation laws. They're simply not allowed to spend their money
- 19:09Speaker 1: in the white side of town. They can't put their
- 19:11Speaker 1: money into these white businesses. They have to put their
- 19:14Speaker 1: money into these black owned businesses in their own neighborhood.
- 19:17Speaker 1: And it gets to the point like it is just
- 19:20Speaker 1: building and building and building that by the time nineteen
- 19:24Speaker 1: twenty one rolls around, there is over ten thousand African
- 19:29Speaker 1: Americans living in Greenwood, which brings us to nineteen year
- 19:34Speaker 1: old Dick Rowland, a black shoe shiner who's working over
- 19:38Speaker 1: in the white side of town on the other side
- 19:40Speaker 1: of the tracks. If you're wondering where the wrong side
- 19:44Speaker 1: of the tracks comes from, Yeah, you thought it was
- 19:47Speaker 1: to do with poverty. No, it's just racist facts. So Dick.
- 19:54Speaker 1: He's a shoe shiner out on Main Street, and like
- 19:56Speaker 1: most human beings, he has a bladder. Naturally, that bladder
- 20:00Speaker 1: needs to be emptied every now and again, and because
- 20:03Speaker 1: of those aforementioned Jim Crow segregation laws, he had to
- 20:07Speaker 1: make sure that he used a toilet that was specifically
- 20:10Speaker 1: assigned for black people, and of course those toilets are
- 20:14Speaker 1: always in the most awkward of places. And his nearest
- 20:17Speaker 1: lavatory was at the very very top floor of the
- 20:20Speaker 1: Drexel building on three one nine Main Street. And it's
- 20:23Speaker 1: the thirtieth of May nineteen twenty one, its Memorial Day,
- 20:27Speaker 1: which is a national holiday. So typically he wouldn't have
- 20:31Speaker 1: been working, and also neither would seventeen year old Sarah Page,
- 20:36Speaker 1: a white elevator operator in the Drexel building. So Dick Rowland,
- 20:41Speaker 1: desperate for the loo, gets in the lift Sarah Page.
- 20:45Speaker 1: She brings the lift up to the top floor. Now,
- 20:48Speaker 1: the problem with this particular lift is is when it
- 20:50Speaker 1: hits the top floor, it's not quite level, so there's
- 20:54Speaker 1: a bit of a ledge, so there's basically this lip in.
- 20:59Speaker 1: So when Dick goes to exit the elevator, he trips
- 21:02Speaker 1: and he either falls into Sarah, or stands on her foot,
- 21:06Speaker 1: or he accidentally grabs her like one of those things,
- 21:11Speaker 1: which is you know, something that happens and you could
- 21:13Speaker 1: bush off and be like okay, but again, racist hellscape,
- 21:18Speaker 1: because a black man having a physical interaction with a
- 21:20Speaker 1: white woman is the kind of thing that would get
- 21:23Speaker 1: the black man lynched. So when he hits into her
- 21:26Speaker 1: in whatever way, Sarah screams because remember she's seventeen years
- 21:30Speaker 1: old in an enclosed space and someone is physically touching
- 21:34Speaker 1: her in some way. Is scream which is overheard by
- 21:37Speaker 1: a clerk at a clothing store in the building. So
- 21:40Speaker 1: she hears the scream and she sees Dick Roland absolutely legget.
- 21:45Speaker 1: So white woman screams, black man is running like this.
- 21:50Speaker 1: Clerk just goes stretcherboards it to the police, right, and
- 21:53Speaker 1: Dick is probably shitting himself at this point because he
- 21:57Speaker 1: is all too aware of what the consequence says if
- 22:00Speaker 1: this can be So the clerk reports it. The police
- 22:04Speaker 1: end up questioning Sarah, who makes it clear that she
- 22:07Speaker 1: doesn't think this was like malicious in any way or intentional.
- 22:11Speaker 1: She doesn't want to press charges. She's like, no, thank you, right,
- 22:15Speaker 1: But because this is Oklahoma in the nineteen twenties. The
- 22:20Speaker 1: very next morning, Dick Rowland is arrested. Anyway, remember how
- 22:24Speaker 1: I said good news travels fast? Will you know what
- 22:27Speaker 1: travels faster? Room us? And gossip spreads like wildfire, like
- 22:33Speaker 1: the worst game of telephone. What starts off as a
- 22:36Speaker 1: trip where a bump or a grays turns into a
- 22:39Speaker 1: full on assault. And even the Tulsa Tribune, the local newspaper,
- 22:46Speaker 1: without any evidence whatsoever, runs an article on its front
- 22:50Speaker 1: page accusing Dick Rowland of brandishing his way into the lift,
- 22:55Speaker 1: attacking Sarah Page, scratching her hands in face, and ripping
- 23:00Speaker 1: of her clothes, none of which happened, not a shred
- 23:05Speaker 1: of truth, all apart from he entered the elevator. Mm hm,
- 23:09Speaker 1: that's it. That is the truest part of this whole thing.
- 23:13Speaker 1: But they don't care if it's true because bad news
- 23:15Speaker 1: sells papers and also seeds discontent. And apparently, now I
- 23:21Speaker 1: would say take this with a grain of salt, but
- 23:24Speaker 1: given what they published in papers at the time, we
- 23:27Speaker 1: can assume that it's probably true. The newspaper also had
- 23:31Speaker 1: an additional article literally giving people orders to go and
- 23:37Speaker 1: lynch Dick Rowland. Now there are pages missing from the
- 23:42Speaker 1: microfilm in the newspaper, like it's just gone, so we
- 23:46Speaker 1: don't know if it actually was there. Part of me
- 23:50Speaker 1: thinks that it was removed, because I'm suspicious like that,
- 23:55Speaker 1: considering what I know about historical sensationalism and propaganda. Just
- 24:00Speaker 1: feels like it's deliberately removed, That's what I'm saying. Just
- 24:03Speaker 1: feels like that. And so the afternoon edition of the
- 24:07Speaker 1: Tulsa Tribune rolls off the presses by three pm on
- 24:13Speaker 1: the thirty first of May, and within hours, whispers spread
- 24:18Speaker 1: through both the white and black communities that a lynching
- 24:23Speaker 1: was happening that very evening. And with that, I think
- 24:28Speaker 1: it's about time to have a break, meaning you'll either
- 24:32Speaker 1: hear a word from our sponsors or perhaps just enjoy
- 24:35Speaker 1: a moment of silence. HMM arrested for assaulting a white
- 24:43Speaker 1: teenager on the white side of town, even though she
- 24:47Speaker 1: said he didn't do it, she didn't press charges, and
- 24:49Speaker 1: there was absolutely zero evidence to suggest this actually happened.
- 24:54Speaker 1: But of course the newspaper prints whatever story they want,
- 24:58Speaker 1: and it's not long before white people start showing up
- 25:01Speaker 1: outside the courthouse, and by sunset, there are hundreds of
- 25:06Speaker 1: angry white people gathering outside the courthouse. At twenty past
- 25:11Speaker 1: eight in the evening, that is twenty twenty hours for
- 25:17Speaker 1: those of you in military time, three white men storm
- 25:22Speaker 1: into the courthouse and demand that Dick Rowland be handed
- 25:25Speaker 1: over to them, and the authorities say no, They just
- 25:32Speaker 1: flat out refuse to hand him over. Meanwhile, while the
- 25:36Speaker 1: crowd is rabbling outside, the black community over in Greenwood
- 25:41Speaker 1: are trying to figure out the best way to protect
- 25:44Speaker 1: Dick and prevent him from being lynched by an angry mob.
- 25:48Speaker 1: And of course they're not just about to sit back
- 25:50Speaker 1: and let this teenager be modeled. No, So at nine
- 25:54Speaker 1: o'clock that night, a group of black men twenty five
- 25:57Speaker 1: strong arrive at the courthouse fully armed. They offer their
- 26:02Speaker 1: assistance to the police at the courthouse, you know, in
- 26:04Speaker 1: case the angry white mob attack and the authorities turn
- 26:09Speaker 1: them away. They say that Dick Rowland is safe, there's
- 26:12Speaker 1: no need to worry, and he isn't going to be
- 26:14Speaker 1: turned over to the angry mob. And in a move
- 26:18Speaker 1: that will surprise absolutely no one, the appearance of twenty
- 26:23Speaker 1: five armed black men at the courthouse only made the
- 26:27Speaker 1: angry white men even angrier. They're like foaming at the
- 26:31Speaker 1: mouth at this point, and so they decide to arm themselves,
- 26:35Speaker 1: as if some weren't packing already. But there's even this
- 26:39Speaker 1: one group of white fellas who try to break into
- 26:43Speaker 1: the National Guard Armory in order to get like into
- 26:48Speaker 1: the stash, the Whippon stash, but like they don't make
- 26:52Speaker 1: it and they have to just like abandon that plan.
- 26:54Speaker 1: But like they try to break into the National Guard Armory.
- 26:59Speaker 1: Now on a scale of one to invading Russia in
- 27:02Speaker 1: the winter, that is squarely in the going to war
- 27:05Speaker 1: with amuse section. But this whole situation is not settling down.
- 27:12Speaker 1: It just keeps escalating and escalating. Like there's this crowd
- 27:18Speaker 1: of white people who are absolutely livid or because this
- 27:22Speaker 1: newspaper pushed this false narrative that this young black man
- 27:27Speaker 1: assaulted this young white woman even though she said it
- 27:31Speaker 1: didn't happen, and the mob just keeps multiplying like a
- 27:35Speaker 1: fucking virus. Because it's not just men. You've got women
- 27:40Speaker 1: and children. And at one point there's like nearly two
- 27:42Speaker 1: thousand white people there in this just rabble, and you've
- 27:47Speaker 1: got the police chief and the sheriff just trying to
- 27:52Speaker 1: talk sense into the crowd, trying to get them to disperse,
- 27:55Speaker 1: but they are bying for blood. So the sheriff, Willed mcculloor,
- 28:00Speaker 1: goes into a crystal maze level of protection. He has
- 28:04Speaker 1: deputies on the roof with the rifles. He disables the
- 28:07Speaker 1: lift inside the building, and he has deputies armed standing
- 28:13Speaker 1: around Dick Rowland in a circle on the very top
- 28:17Speaker 1: floor of the courthouse. He even commanded the deputies to
- 28:21Speaker 1: shoot any intruders on site because if anybody got in there,
- 28:26Speaker 1: Dick Rowland was ending up dead. And it's good the
- 28:30Speaker 1: sheriff was actually doing his job because the police chief,
- 28:33Speaker 1: John A. Gustafson, he says, they told them mob to
- 28:37Speaker 1: go home, but he didn't actually dispatch any of his
- 28:41Speaker 1: police force and bring any of them in to assist
- 28:43Speaker 1: the sheriff or you know, help the situation in any way.
- 28:47Speaker 1: He just sends up sodd and back off to police
- 28:49Speaker 1: headquarters and tells the sheriff just to deal with it.
- 28:52Speaker 1: By ten PM, a group of around fifty to sixty
- 28:56Speaker 1: black men from Green would arrive, all armed with shotguns
- 29:00Speaker 1: and rifles. These guys they go over to the courthouse
- 29:03Speaker 1: and they offer to support the sheriff's department, and they
- 29:07Speaker 1: refused again. And this was too much for some white sensibilities.
- 29:14Speaker 1: And as these black men are leaving the courthouse, they
- 29:17Speaker 1: were attacked by this white fella who was like attempting
- 29:21Speaker 1: to disarm one of them. Of course, a struggle ensues,
- 29:24Speaker 1: and in that struggle, a gunshot rings out, and that
- 29:28Speaker 1: was exactly Now. We don't know whether that first shot
- 29:31Speaker 1: was deliberate or accidental, but it is all the angry
- 29:35Speaker 1: crowd needed. That one shot was the signal they needed
- 29:40Speaker 1: to start shooting. Almost immediately, the angry white mob just
- 29:45Speaker 1: starts firing indiscriminately at the black men, who of course
- 29:50Speaker 1: returned fire, and in a matter of seconds seconds twenty
- 29:55Speaker 1: people lay on the ground dead, both black and white.
- 30:01Speaker 1: Don't worry, it gets worse. The African Americans are quite
- 30:06Speaker 1: simply outnumbered, like there was what fifty sixty of them
- 30:10Speaker 1: to start, and hundreds hundreds of angry white people. The
- 30:17Speaker 1: group of black men retreat towards Greenwood, exchanging gunfire with
- 30:22Speaker 1: this ever growing angry white avalanche, chasing them as they
- 30:26Speaker 1: were treated back over the railway tracks into Greenwood. The
- 30:29Speaker 1: hate mob followed, looting stores as they passed in search
- 30:32Speaker 1: of additional weapons, ammunition, and murder supplies. Over at the
- 30:37Speaker 1: police headquarters on Second Street, which is not part of
- 30:40Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office of the courthouse, around five hundred white
- 30:45Speaker 1: men were sworn in as special deputies to control the situation.
- 30:50Speaker 1: This deputized mob were instructed by the police to go
- 30:53Speaker 1: get guns and start shooting inwards, and there are reports
- 30:58Speaker 1: of the police force just handing out guns to white
- 31:01Speaker 1: people instructing them to go fight the blacks. By eleven o'clock,
- 31:07Speaker 1: the situation is so severe that the National Guard assembles
- 31:11Speaker 1: at the armory trying to figure out how to just
- 31:13Speaker 1: subdue the situation because the rioters are out on the
- 31:18Speaker 1: streets in droves. White men are literally roaming the streets
- 31:23Speaker 1: shooting black men on site, and the rioting continued through
- 31:27Speaker 1: the night from the thirty first of May to the
- 31:29Speaker 1: first of Gin and Dick Rowland was no longer the
- 31:32Speaker 1: target of white rage. No, this had been bubbling for
- 31:36Speaker 1: a long time and they finally allowed it to erupt
- 31:40Speaker 1: to the surface because Greenwood was a thriving black community,
- 31:44Speaker 1: it had money, it was doing well, and this was
- 31:48Speaker 1: a group of people, a minority who white people saw
- 31:52Speaker 1: as being less than themselves, and they were jealous, jealous
- 31:57Speaker 1: that these black people were successful, that they were doing
- 31:59Speaker 1: better than them. You see, it's hard to claim that
- 32:02Speaker 1: you're superior when the very people you're actively oppressing are
- 32:06Speaker 1: doing better than you. Yeah, before they even get into Greenwood,
- 32:11Speaker 1: any areas, any neighborhoods where they knew black people lived,
- 32:15Speaker 1: they were just shooting indiscriminately into their homes. At one point,
- 32:20Speaker 1: they just chase a random black dude down the street
- 32:23Speaker 1: into a theater and shut him down on the stage.
- 32:27Speaker 1: So infueled was their bloodlust that they didn't care who
- 32:32Speaker 1: they killed as long as they were Black men, women,
- 32:36Speaker 1: children didn't fucking matter. An elderly black couple were even
- 32:40Speaker 1: shot in their home, execution style, right in the back
- 32:44Speaker 1: of the head. By one o'clock in the morning, the
- 32:47Speaker 1: angry rioters crossed the tracks and that's when the fire started.
- 32:52Speaker 1: They targeted black homes and businesses all over Greenwood, and
- 32:56Speaker 1: when the fire department arrived on the scene in an
- 32:59Speaker 1: attempt to unit extinguish the blaze, as is their job,
- 33:03Speaker 1: they are instead shot at by bigots who are intent
- 33:07Speaker 1: on making sure Greenwood burned. By four o'clock in the
- 33:11Speaker 1: morning on June Fust, over twenty four homes in businesses
- 33:16Speaker 1: had been turned to ash. At this point, the Tulsa
- 33:20Speaker 1: National Guard had been officially called out to help the
- 33:23Speaker 1: National Guard, which was incidentally all white. These fifty men
- 33:28Speaker 1: were dispatched to Greenwood and given a machine gun which
- 33:32Speaker 1: was broken, so we could only fire one bullet at
- 33:35Speaker 1: a time, which is a very lucky happenstance, because otherwise
- 33:39Speaker 1: a lot more people would have ended up dead. The
- 33:41Speaker 1: National Guard set up a skirmish line facing the Black
- 33:46Speaker 1: district who start rounding up black people and handing them
- 33:49Speaker 1: over to the police. At five am, a train carrying
- 33:54Speaker 1: one hundred National Guard soldiers heads for Tulsa from Oklahoma
- 33:59Speaker 1: City at request of the governor JBA Robertson, who was
- 34:03Speaker 1: really hoping that by daybreak this whole thing will have
- 34:06Speaker 1: settled down. Spoiler alert, it had not settled down, because
- 34:14Speaker 1: it wasn't until around five o'clock in the morning that
- 34:17Speaker 1: the mob really begins to invade Greenwood. Like before this,
- 34:22Speaker 1: black people and their families actually had some chance to flee,
- 34:27Speaker 1: dodging bullets as they ran, or like defend themselves. But
- 34:32Speaker 1: now the angry white mob was just swarming in annihilating
- 34:37Speaker 1: everything in its path. In the ground, they broke into
- 34:40Speaker 1: black homes and businesses, forcing anybody inside out, who were
- 34:45Speaker 1: all marched off to convention haul at gunpoint, and anyone
- 34:49Speaker 1: who resisted was shopped. Homes were being looted and then
- 34:54Speaker 1: set ablaze. Entire streets in neighborhoods were on fire. Meanwhile, overhead,
- 35:03Speaker 1: about a dozen planes that had been launched from a
- 35:05Speaker 1: nearby airfield, all manned by white people, were circling above
- 35:10Speaker 1: Greenwood and dropping burning turpentine balls onto businesses to quote
- 35:17Speaker 1: finish the job. And at this point most of the
- 35:20Speaker 1: city's black residents had fled because they had no other choice,
- 35:27Speaker 1: because any attempt that the black community made to try
- 35:30Speaker 1: and protect their businesses or their homes was undercut by
- 35:35Speaker 1: the National Guard and the police who were just marching
- 35:39Speaker 1: them off to be imprisoned. And the white people involved
- 35:43Speaker 1: in this riot, the actual rioters, they weren't being punished,
- 35:48Speaker 1: they weren't even being disarmed. They tried to say that
- 35:52Speaker 1: they were rounding up black folks for their safety, but like, well, no,
- 35:56Speaker 1: that's not true. It was to make it easier to
- 35:59Speaker 1: just this community. At eleven thirty a m. On the
- 36:03Speaker 1: first of June nineteen twenty one, the governor declares martial law.
- 36:10Speaker 1: But at that point the rioting had pretty much fizzled
- 36:15Speaker 1: out because you know, destroying neighborhoods is tiring stuff, and
- 36:19Speaker 1: they've been up all night, so they were they were done.
- 36:22Speaker 1: A lot of them were done, you know. Now, of
- 36:24Speaker 1: course some people continued, because of course they did, because
- 36:27Speaker 1: our souls be arsehole in. Now, because martial law had
- 36:31Speaker 1: been enacted, the National Guard starts to actually disarm the
- 36:34Speaker 1: white rioters and send them home. Now, they do arrest
- 36:40Speaker 1: thirty white men for pillaging that afternoon, not you know,
- 36:46Speaker 1: murder or arson pillaging. By eight o'clock that night, on
- 36:53Speaker 1: June the first, it is declared that order has been restored.
- 36:59Speaker 1: Order has been restored in Tulsa, Oklahoma. But the damage
- 37:05Speaker 1: was done and lives were changed forever. Over the course
- 37:10Speaker 1: of that one night, over twelve hundred homes and two
- 37:14Speaker 1: hundred businesses had been torched. Around six thousand of Tulsa's
- 37:19Speaker 1: black residents had been rounded up illegally and imprisoned. More
- 37:24Speaker 1: than eight hundred people were treated for injuries, and thirty
- 37:28Speaker 1: five blocks of the city had been destroyed. Now, the
- 37:32Speaker 1: Oklahoma Bureau of Vito Statistics reported that the death toll
- 37:38Speaker 1: was thirty six people. Now, any historian or archaeologist worth
- 37:43Speaker 1: their salt, I'll tell you that that number is undeniably false.
- 37:49Speaker 1: That is a pretend number, a number that was pulled
- 37:53Speaker 1: out of somebody's ass, so that the city of Tulsa
- 37:57Speaker 1: and the state of Oklahoma have to admit the true
- 38:02Speaker 1: extent of this massacre. Now, we will never know how
- 38:06Speaker 1: many people actually lost their lives during the Tulsa race riots,
- 38:11Speaker 1: because in the days following the riots, loads of people
- 38:14Speaker 1: were buried without proper documentation. When the black people who
- 38:18Speaker 1: were not detained tried to return to their homes in Greenwood,
- 38:22Speaker 1: they had no idea if they were returning to just
- 38:25Speaker 1: a shell of a house or whether their home had
- 38:28Speaker 1: been completely totaled any home that was still standing had
- 38:34Speaker 1: been completely looted. And then, of course we have those
- 38:38Speaker 1: who were detained. Thousands of black people were marched through
- 38:41Speaker 1: the streets and taken to McNulty Park or Convention Hall,
- 38:45Speaker 1: and some were transported to the fear grounds at Admiral
- 38:48Speaker 1: Boulevard and Lewis Avenue and even the very next day,
- 38:53Speaker 1: instead of you know, protecting these people, the National Guard
- 38:57Speaker 1: was out patrolling the countryside to see if they could
- 39:00Speaker 1: find any Greenwood residents. And quite a lot of these
- 39:04Speaker 1: people required medical attention, so they had to just make
- 39:08Speaker 1: this makeshift clinic at the National Guard Armory, like specifically
- 39:13Speaker 1: for black people. And there were so many people that
- 39:16Speaker 1: needed aid. They actually had to use some of the
- 39:20Speaker 1: beds in the White hospital for people who had the
- 39:24Speaker 1: worst injuries. Because along with the homes and the businesses,
- 39:30Speaker 1: they also torched the hospital. Tulsa's Black Hospital was turned
- 39:35Speaker 1: to ash. Around five thousand people were detained in the
- 39:40Speaker 1: Fairground camp and the majority of these were held for days,
- 39:45Speaker 1: and some were even kept there for weeks, and a
- 39:49Speaker 1: lot of them were just kept there until a white
- 39:52Speaker 1: person came and vouched for them, and they had to
- 39:55Speaker 1: get like a special pass to let them like come
- 39:57Speaker 1: in and out with a fairground because you know, if
- 39:59Speaker 1: they wanted to go to work or whatever, that was
- 40:02Speaker 1: something they could do. But you know, they couldn't go
- 40:04Speaker 1: home because their home had been destroyed, so they'd have
- 40:07Speaker 1: to come back to the camp. Also, in addition, furthermore,
- 40:12Speaker 1: it's not the National Guard that's providing aid and assistance
- 40:16Speaker 1: in the fairground camp. It's the Red Cross. Now, the
- 40:21Speaker 1: Red Cross doesn't usually conduct relief efforts in man made disasters,
- 40:26Speaker 1: except in times of war, but it showed up here.
- 40:31Speaker 1: What does that tell you? They stay for months just
- 40:35Speaker 1: providing healthcare and support and aid for these people. Meanwhile,
- 40:41Speaker 1: it doesn't take long for the officials, the higher up
- 40:44Speaker 1: the government in Tulsa to start a twisting their own
- 40:49Speaker 1: narrative and blaming the Greenwood residents for this whole situation happening.
- 40:54Speaker 1: A grand jury is assembled to investigate, and they were
- 40:58Speaker 1: told that the crowd said the courthouse, we're not an
- 41:01Speaker 1: angry mob, but we're simply curiosity seekers, spectators. And the
- 41:09Speaker 1: next thing you know, a bunch of angry black men
- 41:13Speaker 1: showed up with guns and every single white man involved
- 41:20Speaker 1: in this riot was given immunity. That's right. The state
- 41:24Speaker 1: and the city covered it up, and they covered it
- 41:28Speaker 1: up for years. They pushed this false narrative. They blamed
- 41:32Speaker 1: black people for being attacked by white people because of
- 41:37Speaker 1: their own racial bias and false sense of superiority. And
- 41:43Speaker 1: the officials do everything they can to remove this information,
- 41:46Speaker 1: like you can't find microfilms on it. You're lucky if
- 41:50Speaker 1: you find a newspaper, Like a lot of this information
- 41:54Speaker 1: was just removed, destroyed, hidden, and that is the case
- 41:58Speaker 1: for a long time. And to just rub salt in
- 42:03Speaker 1: the wind. The officials say they want to help the
- 42:06Speaker 1: Greenwood residents like rebuild their area, you know, rebuild the neighborhood,
- 42:10Speaker 1: so on and so forth, and the Red Cross they
- 42:14Speaker 1: actually like advise the residents like not to sell their land,
- 42:18Speaker 1: like don't sell it because like alarm bells. This is
- 42:21Speaker 1: dodgy as fuck, right, because the officials the government they say, oh, no,
- 42:26Speaker 1: you can't like build homes there. We want it to
- 42:28Speaker 1: be used for industry instead, because they create all of
- 42:33Speaker 1: these like wild fire codes in the area which make
- 42:37Speaker 1: it virtually impossible or like it's crazy expensive to actually
- 42:43Speaker 1: build homes there. And the Red Cross is like trying
- 42:47Speaker 1: to convince them to do this, to like just rebuild
- 42:49Speaker 1: your homes. But if they rebuilt homes in the area,
- 42:54Speaker 1: like they could be arrested, Like it was this whole
- 42:58Speaker 1: just a robberous of villainy. And so these activists get
- 43:03Speaker 1: involved and they try and help the black community like
- 43:05Speaker 1: rebuild Greenwood, and you know, their lawyers pay bail to
- 43:09Speaker 1: get them out, and then another hurdle, another block because
- 43:16Speaker 1: insurance companies are refusing to pay out because they're like, hmm,
- 43:20Speaker 1: it's an exemption because of this, because of that, like
- 43:23Speaker 1: every excuse in the book, because again they're blaming these
- 43:26Speaker 1: people for their homes being destroyed. But what about our
- 43:30Speaker 1: two initial players in this, I hear you ask, Well,
- 43:34Speaker 1: the charges are dropped against Dick Rowland at the request
- 43:37Speaker 1: of Sarah Page, and then they both just kind of disappear,
- 43:43Speaker 1: like they leave Tulsa and after that there's like little
- 43:46Speaker 1: to no record of them, and so they're gone, which
- 43:50Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't blame them for because it's reported
- 43:55Speaker 1: that three hundred people died during this massacre. And you know,
- 44:00Speaker 1: you've got all these different whispers and reports and theories
- 44:05Speaker 1: about what happened to all these bodies. Some reports say
- 44:09Speaker 1: that the corpses were placed on trains and just like
- 44:14Speaker 1: couriled out of Tulsa to be dumped somewhere else. Other
- 44:17Speaker 1: reports suggest they were cremated or chucked into the Arkansas River.
- 44:23Speaker 1: And of course one of the most prevailing theories is
- 44:28Speaker 1: that of a mass grave or graves and they think
- 44:33Speaker 1: they might have actually discovered at least one of them,
- 44:37Speaker 1: but we're still waiting on testing to see. Tulsa tried
- 44:41Speaker 1: so hard to cover this up for years, for almost
- 44:46Speaker 1: a century, they tried to keep this hidden, but the
- 44:50Speaker 1: truth will always out. Secrets don't stay buried forever. And
- 44:56Speaker 1: now I know for some of you, you listen to
- 44:58Speaker 1: this and you just want to hear the dark, terrible
- 45:01Speaker 1: tales from history. But history is real. It's real people,
- 45:06Speaker 1: real lives, real lived experiences, and it's our duty as
- 45:15Speaker 1: fucking humans to not hide from the hard trips, to
- 45:22Speaker 1: tell these stories honestly and truthfully, and to call out
- 45:26Speaker 1: the bullshit, and to like actively try to make sure
- 45:30Speaker 1: this shit doesn't happen again. Because in Tulsa, it wasn't
- 45:34Speaker 1: a minority that was attacking people. It was a minority
- 45:38Speaker 1: that was helping them. The majority was the mob. We're attacking,
- 45:44Speaker 1: we're destroying because these people had more than they had
- 45:51Speaker 1: and they felt justified. And so ends the tale of
- 45:57Speaker 1: the Tulsa race massacre. Typically, this is the part of
- 46:02Speaker 1: the episode where I would ask you to rate and
- 46:04Speaker 1: review five stars, which honestly great, I would love you too,
- 46:10Speaker 1: But it also feels really weird to do so when
- 46:13Speaker 1: I'm talking about something so awful, and I understand it
- 46:17Speaker 1: can be a bit weird hearing this kind of history
- 46:20Speaker 1: from someone like me whose foundations shared is Victorian ghost.
- 46:25Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is, I'm a historian.
- 46:29Speaker 1: I talk about history. I talk about history that's been hidden,
- 46:32Speaker 1: stuff that's been twisted, propaganda, push through, or just sensationalized.
- 46:39Speaker 1: And this is all of it. It's all here. And
- 46:44Speaker 1: if my voice helps even a little bit, provides that information,
- 46:48Speaker 1: shares this story even a smidge more, and I'll fucking
- 46:54Speaker 1: shout from the rooftops because history is important, the good
- 46:58Speaker 1: and the fucking horrific. But yes, you can follow me
- 47:03Speaker 1: on socials. I interact more on Instagram than anywhere else,
- 47:06Speaker 1: although people are watching more of TikTok, which is interesting.
- 47:10Speaker 1: That's kind of been dead for a while, but it
- 47:12Speaker 1: seems to be doing its thing. Anyway, Come see me
- 47:17Speaker 1: at Redline. It'll be more optimistic than this, at least
- 47:21Speaker 1: a teeny winy tiny bit. But it is recommendation time,
- 47:25Speaker 1: So before I go, I'm going to recommend for reading
- 47:31Speaker 1: a deadly inside scoop. For watching, I'm going to suggest
- 47:36Speaker 1: something that's just you know, a little bit lighthearted, a
- 47:39Speaker 1: little bit easier to digest, abit elementary and for listening,
- 47:47Speaker 1: and for listening, I'm thinking affirmative murder. Okay, So with that,
- 47:56Speaker 1: I shall bid you good night, Adios revoir. If we
- 48:01Speaker 1: design my friends, Bye bye,