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Andy Gray , Part Two !! - That FA Cup Semi Final , the transfers and the regrets · Team of the eighties

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  Taylor.
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  Oh, what a goal by Peter Taylor.
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  Ah, welcome to team of the 80s.
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  My name is Gary Spencer.
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  This is part two of the Andy Gray interview.
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  Part one was last week and this week it's all about his England debut, what he feels about Crystal Palace Football Club nowadays and that FA cup semi final.
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  So stay tuned, keep listening and don't forget to like, comment and subscribe.
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  Thanks for tuning in.
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  So I came back at a stronger player that year.
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  We've got beat 9 nil by Liverpool.
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  But you know the mad thing about it, girl, we didn't play bad that night.
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  You.
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  No, I agree.
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  You were good till the 8th went in, weren't you?
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  You were good, dad.
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  Yeah, no, but.
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  No, but you see the bad thing about it, you know when like you get hiding.
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  Yeah.
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  And you know that everyone's put down tools.
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  Yeah.
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  It wasn't like that.
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  No, it wasn't.
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  I mean, everything they.
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  It went in.
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  Yeah.
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  The only person it destroyed was Sucks.
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  Perry Suckling.
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  Yeah.
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  Because he was, he was never the same after that.
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  No, not surprised.
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  Yeah, I'm not surprised.
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  So we, we're carrying on like we played the cut.
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  I think I scored the winner against Portsmouth.
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  Last minute penalty.
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  Yeah, we.
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  We had some easy kind of ties.
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  The hardest tie we had was Cambridge away.
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  Yeah.
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  Because that's the time that John Beck was giving it about the mad fitness, the mad things they were doing.
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  He wanted to be another woman.
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  We had pure street fighters in our team.
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  Like you did, you did.
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  If it had to go off, everyone was there.
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  Even Wimbledon didn't even intimidate us.
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  Yeah.
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  Even with their, the fast, the, the what's his name?
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  Vinnie Jones and all that little.
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  No, no, no, no.
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  Funny enough, Brighty was suspended.
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  Ian.
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  Did Ian play up?
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  Yeah, no, I played up front.
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  I think Ian was injured and it was.
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  I think he done his leg and he.
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  Right, he's done his leg and he.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And I played up front and Jeff scored the winner and then we had Liverpool.
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  But you know the mad thing about that build up for that semi final?
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  I was telling everyone to back Liverpool.
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  We can't win.
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  We can't.
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  We can't win.
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  We can't win.
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  And that back in the day then the grand national was on around the same time.
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  Yes.
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  So I was living in Putney at the time, the place that Queens Park Rangers gave me when, when I signed for him.
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  So I was still in Putney.
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  Right.
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  And I never forget, I was telling everyone, listen Just put red is on Liverpool.
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  We can't win.
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  We can't win.
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  So we went to a karaoke place across the road, literally about five minutes from my flat before we went to.
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  I don't know if it was stock or else.
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  We stayed in.
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  Everything was just chilled, like.
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  Like there was no.
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  No one felt any pressure or anything.
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  We just.
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  Just got on with it.
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  Because I think secretly inside we were all saying to ourselves, as long as they don't embarrass us on national tv, yes, we'll be all right.
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  Yes.
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  I mean, yes.
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  But I think all of us were thinking that individually without even saying it.
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  Right.
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  So anyway, so we get to the.
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  Get to the game.
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  Unbelievable atmosphere.
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  How did you.
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  How did you feel that day, Andy?
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  Did you did.
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  Was that.
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  That was.
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  At that point.
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  That was the biggest game.
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  Had you played for England then or.
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  No, no, no, no, no, no.
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  At that point of your career, wasn't it, that game?
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Do you know what?
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  I was just so relaxed because it was Mark up front and I had the role of like floating and like getting back and.
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  And John Sloco was.
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  Or was it Richard Shaw was man marking Barnsley.
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  So I was like floating.
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  Like, he could play, by the way.
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  Richard Shaw, he's a good player.
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  Yeah, sure.
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  As he was a great player.
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  I love.
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  He's me boy.
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  Him and John Salaco.
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  I see him as the two little boys because I used to sort of.
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  Like, yeah, underrated Richard Shaw.
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  He could play.
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  Yeah.
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  I think they scored after what, four or five minutes.
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  Quick.
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  Yeah, quick.
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  Yeah, yeah, it was quick.
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  It was Gary O'Reilly trying to play the offside.
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  In fact, I think Pardon lost it in the midfield.
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  Went into Steve McMahon.
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  He done the split pass.
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  Yeah.
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  Intercepting Rush.
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  Going to the left.
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  Now on side Ian Rush.
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  Liverpool take the lead and Ian Rush, the ace goal scorer, once again makes it look so easy.
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  We've gone in at half time, 1 nil down, but we didn't really feel like anything sort of thing.
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  Everyone was like, quiet Steve Dummy's team talk and.
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  But.
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  But the atmosphere was like, still upbeat, you know what I mean?
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  Like, we knew we had lots of.
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  Lots of legs in us just to.
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  Cut you off there.
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  Half time was.
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  Was Stevie Copper.
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  Was he like, you know what, if we.
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  We have a go here, we can have a go here.
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  Or was he.
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  Was he more.
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  No, no, no.
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  What he said was, keep playing the way you're playing.
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  We're fitted in them, right?
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  We will get a chance.
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  Wow.
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  So he wanted us to keep the same shape as we started the first minute, right.
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  But it didn't go like that because what happened was Pemberton got the ball and I don't know if you see it, I'm telling him, go, go, go.
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  Couple's not even come out of the tunnel.
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  So if you see it when they pan on him.
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  Yeah, at the tunnel, literally, he might have been a couple of billboards in Bang 1 1.
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  Crystal palace has been concerned.
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  Well, let's see what palace can do about it now in the second half as they attack the hold end here at Villa Park.
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  John Pemberton, a lovely run early on and a chance for Barber and Venison.
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  And it's a shot and it's there by Bright.
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  It's Mark Bright straight from the kicko after John Salaco.
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  Shot didn't quite get there.
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  Bright certainly did.
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  And palace are level.
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  What a run, by the way, Pemberton.
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  There, that's the best run Pemberton's ever done because Pembo was like always clumsy.
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  The cross was like.
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  The cross was like world class.
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  Everything about it was like.
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  Yeah, where did that go?
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  Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah.
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  And the mad thing about it was we were talking about what we would do if we got to the final.
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  So when we were winning two one, I'm saying, brighty, we're gonna get some money for the tickets now.
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  Andy Gray has placed the ball, that's his cross.
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  And Bright's there, O'Reilly's there.
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  And palace, are they in front?
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  Yes, they are.
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  And then next minute, Barnes, he scores the.
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  No, McMahon scores the equalizer, and then Barnes, he scores the penalty.
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  So we're three two down, 87th minute.
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  But girl, let's just go back a little bit because I love, I love it, I love it when players say that stuff because people don't realize that when you're out there, you're just out there and like.
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  And you're with each other every day.
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  And you say, you say.
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  Because that's what you would do if you was walking down.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Don't realize when you, when you play football and you're good at football, you're going to say the same as you're walking down the street.
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  People don't think that in the semi final.
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  Yeah, of course.
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  Right, right.
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  We're gonna make some money here, mate.
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  You know, but for the life of Miguel, if you look back, that go, I scored.
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  Yeah.
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  It was only me thinking it was good.
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  I visualized it being that this guy is gonna chest it.
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  For the life of me, I don't know why he did that, but if you see all the runs I was doing, it was like, I'm waiting and I'm not.
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  I knew it would be an opportunity for me to go bang.
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  Yeah.
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  Because if I would have just stopped and watched play, I'm nowhere near that situation.
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  Yeah, true, but I think you could make that argument about any goal scorer ever in life.
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  If I did, if I hadn't, if I hadn't, like, I think you, you by that stage, you'd played the game enough to know that your instinct was the right instinct and that's why you moved.
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  Because if you think about it, you had one opposite you that day.
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  Rushy.
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  If he hadn't, if he hadn't, if he hadn't what he did every time because he knew when to go.
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  They're now less than three minutes away from going out.
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  Thomas and Bright's in there and Thomas Staunton Gray, Gray 3 3.
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  Andy Gray for Palace.
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  They're back in it.
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  That's, that's instinct, Andy.
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  That's you playing the game for years.
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  You, you knew.
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  Same as rushing you same as Dal Glees knew.
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  They all know.
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  I was, I was so proud for you, mate.
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  I was so happy for you, you know, because when you scored that goal, all I saw was this 13 year old in a sheepskin, you know what I mean?
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  And those things are really lovely because people, you know, you watch football and for everyone that makes it, there's thousands that don't make it.
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  And when you see somebody play in a spotlight game like that and they do really well, you can't help but feel pleased for them, you know what I mean?
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  Like you really, it was a, it was a great feeling for you and it was a great feeling for every palace fan.
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  But for me that saw you first turn up in, in those days, very special, Andy, very special.
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  Oh, thanks, girl.
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  Because even like when I look at it, I was there that night when they got promoted with 51,000 or 52,000.
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  I was in the dressing room and there's even pictures of me of a 14 year old with w sheep from I I money in in the book.
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  So I look at palace, that, that was my club and you know the sad thing about it, that's where I paid all my best football.
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  Forget about me going to Villa Tottenham, Queen's Park Rangers.
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  I wish that I could have stayed there because that's where I played.
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  That's where I was happy but unhappy because What I'm saying today, they kind of took me for granted because of the way I got back in the game.
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  Yeah.
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  Which really kind of hurt me.
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  And I love Steve Copple.
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  I mean, I mean, girl, we had a relationship.
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  And I said to like Alan Smith.
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  I apologize to Alan Smith maybe two years ago because he used to tell me things and I used to kind of look at him as like a Joey.
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  Everything.
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  Everything.
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  He said to me.
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  Yes.
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  And I rang him and I said, alan, I've got to apologize to you because if I would have listened to even after what you said to me, I would have been all right.
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  Because he had people like Gareth Southgate, who was limited as a player, but what Gareth had, he knew how to play the game.
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  Mm.
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  I didn't understand the power of being light Gal.
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  I was only going on ability.
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  What I didn't grasp was you need a bit of that as well.
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  Because when you're not doing so well, what they gonna do?
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  Well, it's funny, like in.
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  In life I've always been attracted to different types of characters and.
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  And I, I remember you vividly.
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  And you were, you were a Marmite character when you were young.
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  You were a piece of work.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  You would, you would give it to the first teamers and they'd be like, who the in.
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  Honestly though, I.
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  I still really feel that.
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  That whatever that was inside you also helped you to become.
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  Yeah.
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  You know that.
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  You know, listen, mate, to make it in professional football and to go on and play for your country like you did, you need a bit of that.
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  I haven't really spoke about this, but I knew when, I'll tell you when my career ended.
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  Right.
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  And I'm being totally honest.
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  When I got picked for England, really, hear me what I'm gonna say.
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  It wasn't the fact I got big headed.
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  None of that.
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  What it was that season, Gal.
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  I.
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  I was.
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  I was playing the best football of my life.
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  I wasn't even thinking about anything.
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  I was just.
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  I was just doing it.
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  I was just doing it.
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  Doing it, doing it, doing it.
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  The day I got picked for England, I was sick.
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  I never trained for four days.
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  Couple said, stay in bed, just come in.
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  On Friday when we traveled up to Liverpool, played Liverpool, I had a monster game.
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  We beat him.
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  I think we beat him two, one.
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  I got taken off, maybe five minutes to go.
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  Anyway, so at the shower and that, blah, blah, blah.
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  Then couple come to me when, oh, someone wants to speak to you in the boot room.
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  Just go in the boot room.
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  Someone wants to speak to you.
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  It was Graham Taylor.
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  Don't forget he signed me for Pat for Villa.
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  So anyway, get in the boot room.
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  He said, andy, we've been watching you all season.
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  You've changed, you know, you weren't getting bookings and all that.
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  You just changed.
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  So anyway, bang, he says to me, on that Saturday at 5:30 or quarter to 6, you are playing against Poland.
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  I was told like a week before the game, right, I'm playing.
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  But he said, don't tell anyone that you're going to be in the squad on Monday when they announce it.
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  Now, the England team selected by Graham Taylor, the one that the players were told about last weekend.
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  The five players to support Gary Lineker, which is the way he wants it put.
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  Coming from midfield, the back four, as expected, with Gary Mabbott alongside Des Walker.
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  And two players making their first appearance in full internationals.
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  Andy Gray of Crystal palace at number four and Andy Sinton of Queen's Park Rangers at number 11.
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  Fantastic.
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  Right, so I mean, Brown's United.
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  Can't say a word, guy, you know what I mean?
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  I mean, Brett said it and having a great sign, right?
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  So my phone rang.
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  Hello.
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  Congratulations.
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  It rang, rang, rang, rang all day, all day.
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  Like when I got in in the afternoon, it kept ringing, ringing, putting it down, putting it down.
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  Lovely, right.
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  But there's a flip side to that girl, because it didn't go the way it should have gone for me.
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  I had a slight hamstring.
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  I should have pulled out of that squad because Dave west tried his best and it wasn't, you know, I mean, I wasn't.
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  Yeah, 100.
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  But when England comes calling down, you're being told that you're playing.
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  I'm not being funny.
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  Like if some, if someone chopped your arm off and you said, you can go and watch like Prince playing and Michael Jackson, you're going in here, do you know what I mean?
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  You're.
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  You're wrapping yourself up.
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  You're going.
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  You'd have played 50 games by then.
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  You'd have pulled out.
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  You just said, no, not for me.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So.
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  But that I had a chance in the game.
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  Here comes Platt.
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  Gray's on the far side and he holds his head because that was a clear cut chance.
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  And I got criticized by Jimmy, as.
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  You see Andy Sinton turning inside, whipping.
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  In the cross, touched on there by David Platt.
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  And it's Andy Gray there just on the volley.
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  I think perhaps at Crystal palace he would have been expected to score.
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  I think it was offside anyway.
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  And Football comes about timing.
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  Yes.
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  And, yeah, and reactions.
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  I was strong enough to get back in the game, but I had no ambition to get back in the game.
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  Now the pressure's on me.
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  Now when I come back, I'm trying to argue like Tiger Woods.
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  I'm not saying I'm Tiger woods, but I'm saying he's won 18 or, sorry, 15 majors and even he was winning them by 10, 15, 20 shots.
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  Well, flipping it.
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  If he goes a bit boss sided, well, he's still like 15 shots in front of people.
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  All of a sudden when you try to do things that you're not capable of doing, but you keep doing it, now your game's all out.
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  My game just went.
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  But on the, but on the back of all what, all I've produced.
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  I've got a move to Tottenham for a million pounds.
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  But that was on, obviously reputation of what I've built up.
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  So I went there, gave.
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  I just.
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  Well, I mean obviously we, we both know football's a confidence game.
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  It really is.
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  It's just so strange and lovely for you to like admit that, but yeah, so much of the game, Andy, I think at your level and the top levels is in your head, right?
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  When you really feel you can play, you know, you start to play on the ball and when that goes, I'm sure, I'm sure it plays on your mind just quickly at Tottenham.
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  Was, was Fenn at Tottenham with you?
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  I should pick him up in Finchley.
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  Ah, great, great.
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  He was on.
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  He's on a ban in driving.
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  From driving.
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  No, listen, Terry Fennick, lovely guy and he used to give me time when I was a school boy.
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  So yeah, Ben, good, good guy, I think.
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  I don't know if he's in Barbados still.
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  Ben's in Trinidad.
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  Yeah,.
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  Yeah, he's in Trinidad.
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  I actually texted him last night then.
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  Was always very good to me as well.
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  Yeah, he's, he's a good lad.
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  As you know.
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  He's a down to earth fella.
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  Had a great career, you know, and yeah, like yourself, you know, play for the country.
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  Yeah, lovely.
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  I mean and, but yeah, for you to admit that, I mean, would you listen, Andy, I, I have no idea.
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  Right.
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  I mean I was okay as a kid that, that ended very quickly.
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  But for you, would you say a lot of the game at that level is in your head?
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  A lot of it's in your head and it's, it's processing.
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  So it's like, it's like you did modeling.
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  So you knew what.
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  Well, you would have Known with experience.
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  What suits you better?
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  What would crack you on that?
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  Someone's gonna go, I want Gary to be in this campaign because you know what I mean?
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  Great analogy.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, I get it.
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  Andy, with me, I think I got to the top of the tree.
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  I fell.
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  I didn't know how to get back up it.
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  Right.
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  I mean, listen, girl, was you trying.
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  Different things and in the game, was you trying to be a player that you wasn't?
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  Would you had you stopped doing the basic things that you were good at?
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  Yes.
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  Like getting it and then driving forward and lying.
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  Yeah.
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  You stopped doing all that.
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  But I had a chance.
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  And this is.
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  I'll go back to when I say I apologize to Alan.
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  I've got to give you the reason.
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  So when I was at Tottenham, I played.
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  Yeah, I played a few games, but not.
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  They didn't see the best of me, but.
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  But I went to Swindon on loan with Glenn Model.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Fen ended up there too, didn't he?
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  But I played on loan there and I've done really well.
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  And that got me back in the first team at Tottenham.
• 22:10
  Right.
• 22:10
  So I finished the season and then Alan Smith got the manager's job at palace.
• 22:17
  And Aussie, our dealers took over because I was that.
• 22:21
  Yeah.
• 22:22
  And Aussie said, listen, I'm not going to play.
• 22:24
  Blah, blah, blah.
• 22:25
  Find a club.
• 22:27
  So anyway, he's bombed me out for pre season, me and Vinnie Sandwich, so we had to train at the main ground on our own with Chrissy.
• 22:39
  You're a mad thing.
• 22:44
  But Alan Smith came in to take me on loan.
• 22:48
  So I went to Mitchum and I saw him in Steve's office.
• 22:53
  Right, right.
• 22:55
  So he's sitting in Steve's.
• 22:57
  So now I've got a vision of Smithy sitting in Steve.
• 23:02
  Yeah, Steve's chair.
• 23:04
  I'm sitting in front of him and he was talking.
• 23:08
  And I kind of disrespected where I should have went back, because I think that could have been the spark to get me, you know, because I was coming back out, but I wasn't where I wanted to be.
• 23:22
  But if I would have come back somewhere, which was familiar to me, Yeah, I think it would have been a different story.
• 23:29
  And then I looked at Smithy and said, thanks, but no thanks.
• 23:33
  Worst decision of my life.
• 23:35
  And that is what I.
• 23:36
  What to explain, to say to him, I'm sorry that I did that because I shouldn't have done that.
• 23:41
  Because after that, it just got worse and worse and worse.
• 23:45
  So many players go through that.
• 23:48
  It's interesting I gotta ask you about this one, because it was a.
• 23:53
  It was a favorite place of mine for a long time.
• 23:56
  I used to go to Marbella from 82, 83 up until 1991.
• 24:03
  Then I stopped going.
• 24:05
  I went back there in 2001 and it was horrible.
• 24:11
  It was.
• 24:11
  It was like.
• 24:13
  It changed so much.
• 24:15
  Yeah, Marbella for you, What a move, though,.
• 24:22
  That was.
• 24:23
  No, but, you know.
• 24:24
  You know, the mad thing about that was at the time, Yugoslavia just come out of civil war, right.
• 24:32
  So a lot of the gangsters, they were taking money out.
• 24:37
  So where they all went was Marbella.
• 24:39
  Yes.
• 24:40
  So.
• 24:40
  So a guy called Petrovic, right, Took.
• 24:43
  Took the side from Jesus Gil.
• 24:46
  He owned Athletico Madrid.
• 24:48
  So anyway, he sold him the club.
• 24:51
  I've gone there and we've been put up in the Benobola Hotel.
• 24:58
  And he owned a club called Long.
• 25:00
  Is it Long Legs?
• 25:01
  Legs, it's at the beginning of the pool.
• 25:05
  Long Legs, I think it was called Lap Dancing.
• 25:08
  Gaffy owned that and all that.
• 25:09
  And he had all dancers coming over.
• 25:12
  So I'm staying in these apartments with all the dancers.
• 25:15
  And it was just mad.
• 25:18
  It was just a.
• 25:19
  A mad scenario.
• 25:22
  So there they stopped paying our wages.
• 25:28
  So we had the Petrovic run out of money.
• 25:33
  He's run out of money.
• 25:34
  They've stopped paying us.
• 25:36
  And it was a thing between the south and the north.
• 25:40
  There was friction with the players.
• 25:43
  So when we would go out to train and do the Rhondas, it had been all the guys from the north and all the guys from the south.
• 25:52
  And because I was like.
• 25:54
  I was like Switzerland, I would kind of move in, like, the two groups.
• 26:01
  It was a nice lifestyle, mate.
• 26:03
  Yeah, I used to.
• 26:04
  I used to.
• 26:05
  I used to love Mar.
• 26:06
  I really did.
• 26:08
  And I was thinking, wow, that was such a place for you to end up playing football in Marbella.
• 26:13
  Where did you live there?
• 26:14
  And.
• 26:16
  You know where the mosque is?
• 26:18
  Los Terrassos.
• 26:20
  I had a.
• 26:21
  A lovely apartment in Los Terrastos, which is.
• 26:25
  You know, where the McDonald's is.
• 26:28
  You could tell me anything now.
• 26:30
  I haven't been there since 2002.
• 26:32
  I went back there in 2002 and the whole gaffer changed.
• 26:36
  Like the.
• 26:37
  Yeah, where the.
• 26:38
  Where there used to be car parks was now apartments.
• 26:41
  There was like, his bar.
• 26:43
  There was like.
• 26:44
  None of that was there when I was going there.
• 26:46
  So you could tell me anything.
• 26:47
  You could say, gal, there's a spaceship in the Orange Square.
• 26:50
  I wouldn't know.
• 26:51
  Round the ground was not literally from Orange Square.
• 26:55
  It'll take you maybe 15 minutes to walk there, saying that I got a move from there to Falkirk.
• 27:04
  It was in the blazing sun to Falkirk.
• 27:06
  Oh.
• 27:06
  And so they let me go.
• 27:08
  I went there and I think, yeah, we played.
• 27:10
  I played in the Cup Final there, but I was on good money there.
• 27:14
  And we had Eamon Bannon, but Ayman Bannon, girl was the fittest man you would ever see.
• 27:24
  Everything about him was running, running, running, running, running.
• 27:28
  At that stage in my life, I.
• 27:30
  I didn't have it in me to be running like a madman.
• 27:33
  Do you know what I mean?
• 27:34
  So, yeah, I fell out with him.
• 27:35
  And in my contract, I had that play Saturday.
• 27:40
  I could be back in on Tuesday so I could go back to London Saturday.
• 27:45
  Cut.
• 27:45
  Fly back Tuesday.
• 27:46
  So he's the manager, he's unhappy with me.
• 27:50
  And, like, we was just having so many arguments.
• 27:54
  Like, he's keep making me run.
• 27:56
  He's just doing all sorts of stuff to try and break me.
• 28:00
  I said to him, listen, amen.
• 28:02
  That's not happening, mate.
• 28:04
  I said, I've got a good contract here.
• 28:07
  Pay me up and I'll go, right?
• 28:10
  But obviously, the guy that.
• 28:12
  They couldn't pay me up, girl.
• 28:13
  Do you know what I mean?
• 28:14
  So he got the sack and another manager took over.
• 28:18
  He was.
• 28:19
  He's really good.
• 28:20
  He sort of, like, took me in and said, right, Andy, I'm gonna play you as a sweeper.
• 28:25
  And we got to the Cup Final.
• 28:26
  We beat Celtic in the semis.
• 28:28
  So, yeah, it was.
• 28:32
  Yeah, I played at the back.
• 28:33
  Sweeping.
• 28:34
  Yeah, it was good.
• 28:35
  It was.
• 28:36
  It was.
• 28:36
  It was easy.
• 28:37
  Do you know what I mean?
• 28:38
  So looking back then, really, what would you say?
• 28:44
  I mean, obviously, represent.
• 28:45
  I know it didn't go well for you, but obviously representing the country is that you represent your country.
• 28:50
  When you represent your country, it means a lot.
• 28:53
  But your domestic highlights.
• 28:57
  Would it.
• 28:57
  Would it have been.
• 28:59
  Would it have been Liverpool in the Cup Final?
• 29:01
  Would it have been that the semi and the.
• 29:04
  And the menu game.
• 29:07
  You've asked a great question.
• 29:08
  And lots of people would sort of like, say, oh, I did this.
• 29:12
  That.
• 29:12
  No, at the end of the day, any game that you look back on, there's only one.
• 29:18
  For me, the pinnacle of my powers was that Sunday.
• 29:24
  I didn't stand still there.
• 29:26
  I kept going, going, going, going.
• 29:29
  But to be remembered, that was the game.
• 29:34
  And I think it's the greatest semi final in history.
• 29:38
  If you look back at it, had everything, the underdog fighting the establishment, as.
• 29:46
  You were telling me.
• 29:46
  I can hear John Watson after you scored that goal.
• 29:51
  Yeah, and how he describes.
• 29:54
  Of course it's carnage, man.
• 29:56
  You're going mad.
• 29:57
  Like it's great.
• 29:58
  Remember that feeling inside you when you scored that goal?
• 30:01
  That is every memory since you were an 11 year old kid.
• 30:04
  Right.
• 30:04
  They're now less than three minutes away from going out.
• 30:09
  Thomas and Bright's in there and Thomas, Staunton.
• 30:14
  Gray.
• 30:14
  Gray 3 3.
• 30:18
  Andy Gray for Palace.
• 30:20
  They're back in it.
• 30:23
  And Liverpool's defense all over the place.
• 30:27
  Why I jumped into the.
• 30:28
  The crowd is because when I was at Villa when Gary Thompson scored a goal, he jumped into the crowd and that is the first thing I thought of.
• 30:39
  Big Tomo.
• 30:40
  I'm jumping into the crowd, you know what I mean?
• 30:42
  The palace fans, listen, I know now they've got these ultras and maybe if we would have had.
• 30:51
  If we would have had that sort of support in our team, maybe we could have.
• 30:57
  That could have been our 12th man.
• 30:59
  Because they are unbelievable.
• 31:01
  Gal.
• 31:01
  Yeah, no, but sorry to cut you off there but.
• 31:03
  And this is really crazy timing.
• 31:05
  I don't know if you notice and you don't notice so I'm going to tell you they stopped.
• 31:10
  After 20 years, the Ultra stopped.
• 31:13
  They knocked it on the head because they were saying it's too much aggravation.
• 31:16
  They get too much went down with Nottingham Forest with all that with that banner.
• 31:22
  After 20 years, Andy, the ultra is finished.
• 31:25
  But the whole reason I'm telling you this little story is because I said on Twitter the In 1979, I had 52000 in the third division I had 15, 000.
• 31:36
  It doesn't matter.
• 31:37
  Palace fans will still always be palace fans.
• 31:39
  Whatever you call them.
• 31:40
  You don't have to give them a name like that part of South London.
• 31:45
  They get behind the team, right?
• 31:47
  And whatever went.
• 31:48
  And there's always.
• 31:49
  There's moments in time for everybody.
• 31:50
  There's moments in time for you, there's moments in time for fans.
• 31:55
  There we come another.
• 31:56
  Listen.
• 31:57
  Other teams get by without ultras and they get behind the team.
• 32:00
  Palace fans will find a way.
• 32:02
  You, you don't really do Twitter anymore, right?
• 32:05
  I look at it.
• 32:07
  But if I ain't got something to say, I'm not saying it.
• 32:10
  We talked earlier about players losing touch with hands, right?
• 32:15
  Yeah.
• 32:16
  And I know you're a very humble fella, you never used to be.
• 32:21
  But you are very important and I.
• 32:23
  Love, I love that about you.
• 32:25
  But.
• 32:26
  But I can say that because I've known you a long time but I know that the fans loved you interacting because you're saying you're showing it from a.
• 32:35
  A player's perspective.
• 32:37
  And I was on Twitter and they were talking about older fanatics and it's the last day and they've decided to pull away.
• 32:44
  And I was telling them, like, they were fine in 79 and they were fine in the third division and they'll be fine again, you know, but you being on Twitter and when you're, yeah, interacting with the fans, it's
• 32:58
  almost like when you want to invest a bit of dough and you've got the insider, the stock market, you know, because you see the game in a different way.
• 33:06
  It's impossible when people shout from the terraces.
• 33:10
  Doesn't matter how knowledgeable they are.
• 33:11
  When you're out there and you're playing, you see the game in a different way.
• 33:15
  You know that, you know.
• 33:17
  Oh, yeah.
• 33:18
  But to be.
• 33:19
  To be honest with you, girl, it's like, like Even on my WhatsApp for such, for some strange reason, I'm in a Palace group.
• 33:29
  God knows how I'm in it.
• 33:31
  But I will only make remarks when they're kind of getting carried away and kind of let them think, well, this is the best that we can do.
• 33:45
  I love the club.
• 33:46
  And even, like, just, even certain things, like, like when I.
• 33:51
  To watch a game, I mean, usually if I go to a Palace, then, girl, I pay for my ticket.
• 33:57
  Wow.
• 33:58
  Wow.
• 33:59
  Listen, I'll give you an example, right?
• 34:02
  I go to Aston Villa, not so much this season now because they're doing the two stands, the side stands, so the hospitality has been cut down for this season.
• 34:17
  But when I tell you, when I do the hospitality there, there's like 20, is usually 22 players, but it's.
• 34:26
  It's a cross of the European side, our side, the side that won the League cup with Brian Little, and Brian Little is like one of the most humblest people.
• 34:44
  Like, I'll tell you another thing, Tottenham, when we played Tottenham at Villa and Tottenham was struggling, they've done a stroke of genius, their hospitality with Aussie Arden, Maxi Miller, Paul Roberts, Falco, they were.
• 35:01
  They watched the game and they won.
• 35:04
  So the, the management said, well, you guys are good omens.
• 35:10
  So they took him to the Villa, like up in the.
• 35:14
  Yeah, palace, they wouldn't do that.
• 35:19
  Steve Parish, lovely geezer.
• 35:21
  But is the new kind of chairman that they're not interested in old players?
• 35:28
  Yeah, they got Jimmy Cannon.
• 35:29
  Yeah, he must have helped Kenny out.
• 35:31
  They're not the only palace players.
• 35:33
  Vince does a bit, but.
• 35:35
  Yeah, no, Vince does it.
• 35:37
  Jim Cannon does it.
• 35:39
  John Salaco is very Good, because John loves to sing and he loves all of that, so.
• 35:45
  I know, I know the regulars are a gym.
• 35:48
  And Vince, the only time I would hear from the club is, oh, Andy, do you want to walk 26 miles for palace for life?
• 35:56
  Okay.
• 35:57
  Yeah, I've done it for the first three years, me and Andy Johnson.
• 36:01
  And there was another player and there was no fanfare around it, Right.
• 36:07
  After three years, it became a fanfare.
• 36:10
  So then I'm not gonna say, but that everyone wanted to.
• 36:16
  To get involved in it because it's.
• 36:19
  They turned it into a big thing now.
• 36:21
  Do you know what I mean?
• 36:22
  And it's not like I want anything or I want to sit in the.
• 36:27
  The board.
• 36:28
  No, if I want to go to a game, I should be able to walk up to that door and go, right, there's me and my son.
• 36:38
  Is there a couple of tickets?
• 36:42
  I don't know what goes on inside football clubs anymore, but I do feel that players such as yourself, iconic players.
• 36:51
  Listen, at the end of the day, how many players play for a club over 100 years?
• 36:57
  They should have two.
• 36:58
  Whatever game you want to attend to, they should have two tickets there.
• 37:02
  You know as well as I do, if you don't pick them up, somebody else will pick them up.
• 37:06
  It's not like they're not going to go used.
• 37:08
  But for me, if I'm a chairman of a football club, I'm giving the box office at the start of the season, have these tickets on the side.
• 37:17
  If they haven't gone by 10 to 3, then out and somewhere else.
• 37:21
  And I guarantee you, Andy, and I'm saying this for a reason, if people go on YouTube and they look at palace, they're going to be watching your game.
• 37:29
  They're going to be watching the game with Brighty scores, where you score, where there's an FA cup semi final where Dalglish is involved and icons of the game.
• 37:37
  So in a way, you are performing a daily PR job for that club.
• 37:44
  Steve Parish may have a different conversation with me about it, but.
• 37:47
  But for me, at the end of the day, what difference does it make?
• 37:52
  Listen, there was one time I was shocked.
• 37:54
  I got invited to his.
• 37:58
  He has a.
• 37:58
  Like a.
• 37:59
  A dinner with like a couple of players like me.
• 38:03
  And Eddie McGoldrick got invited to it.
• 38:06
  And I was shocked there.
• 38:11
  Susanna Reed there.
• 38:13
  Copple was there, Bry was there.
• 38:16
  I think it was in Groucho.
• 38:18
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:20
  I was shocked.
• 38:21
  And I'm thinking, you know, maybe I take that side of it a bit too personal.
• 38:27
  Do you Know what I mean?
• 38:27
  Maybe.
• 38:28
  I don't know.
• 38:28
  I mean you would know a lot more than I would.
• 38:31
  I mean I, I've lost complete touch with the modern day gamer.
• 38:35
  Complete touch.
• 38:37
  Andy, did you ever go in the cafe?
• 38:38
  Solid.
• 38:39
  Did you ever go in there by the ground?
• 38:40
  Yeah, yeah.
• 38:41
  When I used to sneak off from school they used to run on a Tuesday at Crystal palace at the, at the, what's it called?
• 38:49
  The, they used to do the, the cross countries like with the terrible Venables and that.
• 38:54
  And then they would go to Solly's, right, and have a big like fry up and all that.
• 38:58
  So yeah, I was there a couple of times.
• 39:00
  Yeah, yeah, love Sol.
• 39:05
  I think he's, I think his boy tried to play.
• 39:07
  Did he, he come down.
• 39:08
  I think he's around your age his boy, isn't he?
• 39:10
  Graham.
• 39:12
  Graham, yeah.
• 39:13
  Yeah, Graham, Graham played, Graham played in my school side.
• 39:16
  So I went to school for Ingram and we played against Grabsy Grabs.
• 39:22
  He went to Sellers.
• 39:26
  Yeah, Graham was all right.
• 39:27
  Played center half.
• 39:28
  He was all right.
• 39:28
  I mean he was all right at that level.
• 39:31
  He was okay.
• 39:32
  It's very hard to imagine, I guess it's like anything that we could imagine 50 years ago if you could imagine a Premier League side.
• 39:40
  So palace were in the first Premier League side.
• 39:43
  Yeah, they did their training and they're going to the calf and in the calf and in the calf there's the roofers and the brick layers and the gears is all walking in and the boys are there and having
• 39:56
  their breakfast and they're having their lunch or whatever and they're talking about.
• 39:59
  And they're like, yeah, I'll see you Saturday.
• 40:02
  Because the ground is like two minutes away.
• 40:04
  Not even.
• 40:04
  Yeah, yeah, imagine that.
• 40:06
  Imagine that in these days.
• 40:08
  Imagine like.
• 40:09
  And so.
• 40:10
  And I think, I think what's really important about that is that those little bunches of people that were in that calf at that time and the lads are in the corner and like they, they, they talk about it
• 40:25
  naturally they do at home and then all of a sudden they talk about it in the pub and they talk about it at work.
• 40:30
  And the fan base, the fan base then feels more.
• 40:34
  This is what I was talking about being connected to the players, right?
• 40:37
  100%.
• 40:38
  Yeah.
• 40:38
  A lot more connected than how they are now.
• 40:42
  It's just hard to explain to anybody in this day and age that on any day of the week around 1:30, the whole first.
• 40:50
  Not the whole first team, that's exaggerating.
• 40:53
  70 of the first team are in there having their, having Their lunch.
• 40:58
  And, and you've got everyone from Jim Cannon, everybody, Phil, Vince, everybody.
• 41:03
  No, not lunch.
• 41:04
  Having a fryer.
• 41:05
  Yeah, a fry up.
• 41:06
  Yeah, a proper fryer.
• 41:09
  Sausages, bacon, egg, beans.
• 41:12
  That was it.
• 41:12
  The.
• 41:13
  Well, put this way.
• 41:14
  Mitchum.
• 41:15
  I remember Barbs where she used to smoke and the f.
• 41:19
  Egg, the, the.
• 41:22
  The fag ash used to go on your food when she's like,.
• 41:28
  Yeah,.
• 41:31
  I'll tell you what, he was unbelievable because when I first went back to palace, obviously they didn't have no money.
• 41:37
  So basically he was the kit man, the groundsman.
• 41:42
  He run the calf, he done everything.
• 41:45
  And it's funny, I.
• 41:47
  I went to a palace up to the training ground maybe last year sometime.
• 41:54
  Gal, they must have had at least 12, like, people just walking around like, you know, like with giving out water.
• 42:09
  12?
• 42:10
  Yeah, yeah, 12.
• 42:12
  Morris said that popsy little tractor what he would do the back pitch with and then the other 1, 2, 3 pitches.
• 42:19
  He done everything on his own.
• 42:20
  Done the kit, washed it.
• 42:23
  I know.
• 42:24
  You know, but again, he loved the club.
• 42:28
  It was a different time.
• 42:31
  Morris Morrison, Bob were great.
• 42:32
  Like, you know, it was funny because I used to.
• 42:37
  I used to go home and away, right, with watching palace when I was like 13, 14.
• 42:44
  Morris used to.
• 42:46
  Used to organize the trains.
• 42:49
  Yeah, yeah.
• 42:50
  So Neil.
• 42:50
  Neil Everett, who was the photographer.
• 42:52
  Neil coaches.
• 42:55
  And Morris organized the trains.
• 42:57
  So when I was.
• 42:58
  Ended up training on those days of Tuesday, Thursday, whatever we used to do as kids at Mitchum, when Morris was at Mitchum, like, I.
• 43:06
  I knew Morris from old, you know, and like, that's how the game is.
• 43:11
  Like, it will never be that again.
• 43:15
  And of course, money changes everything.
• 43:17
  It'll never be that again.
• 43:18
  But, but, but those were.
• 43:20
  Those are really great times, Morris.
• 43:23
  Yeah, man.
• 43:24
  What a.
• 43:24
  What a.
• 43:26
  What a.
• 43:27
  What a character.
• 43:28
  In fact, Neil, the other day.
• 43:32
  Was it Neil?
• 43:33
  Yeah, Neil.
• 43:34
  Neil posted a picture, I think in a Palace fan scene.
• 43:38
  And it was a picture of about 30 supporters.
• 43:43
  And.
• 43:44
  And it was.
• 43:44
  The club didn't have that much dough and they got the fans in, in the summer to paint, like, the stanchions, the terraces, the toilets thing.
• 43:55
  I went in, I went in, I was like 13 or 14 years old.
• 43:58
  And there's a picture of me there, 14 years old that Neil posted, mate.
• 44:03
  Yeah, like football, Football's not.
• 44:05
  Football will never be that again because it's just such a, like, globalized business now.
• 44:10
  But you look back and you think, me, man, that was like 50 years ago.
• 44:14
  50 years ago, you know, and, And I think I met you, Andy.
• 44:20
  I think I was 14 or 15 and yeah, lovely, lovely, lovely memories, mate.
• 44:27
  Lovely memories.
• 44:27
  And they are, they are the memories I have.
• 44:30
  The memories I have for you is the sheep skin and the nutmeg and you just being like, and you just, and you.
• 44:38
  Of course, of course.
• 44:40
  Now listen, what you got to understand here, there's very, very few England players that I've managed to nutmeg.
• 44:51
  So for me it takes on a whole new meaning.
• 44:53
  No, but seriously, I, I, I really do appreciate you being on this, Andy.
• 44:58
  And, and no, you're not only, you know, you're a dear friend, you've, you've been a loyal friend over the years.
• 45:06
  We, we know different mutual people and I know that you have a, a big, big part in, in Palace's hearts.
• 45:14
  You know, the fans love you and Iconic day, iconic game.
• 45:20
  You part of a big, big, big, big time in the palace history.
• 45:23
  Mate, I've got a proper connection that no one can take away from me.
• 45:30
  You know what I mean?
• 45:31
  Regardless of whatever, no one can take away that I've been a part of that club since I was 11, I'm 62 now and I've, and I, I've had the privilege of playing for that club in some big, big
• 45:47
  nights and I'm backing the 80s side and when I see these, they talk about the players now.
• 45:56
  No, they're not a patch on, on our team.
• 46:00
  I'm not having it.
• 46:01
  I, I don't care if they won the Europe, whatever it was, that cup and the Charity Shield.
• 46:07
  I agree, I agree, I agree.
• 46:11
  Andy, mate, listen, real pleasure.
• 46:13
  Thank you very much for being on.
• 46:15
  As you know, we've been pals forever, but to have you on the pod, it really makes me chuff, mate.
• 46:22
  So thanks, Andy, I really appreciate that, mate.
• 46:24
  No, listen, it's my pleasure.
• 46:25
  And as I said, I was hoping that I would get a chance to, you know, follow the other great players that I watched as, as a kid.
• 46:33
  And yet again, I've had the chance to be on the same line as them, which is really good to tell my story.