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Rugby Direct: Episode 209 · Rugby Direct

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  Speaker 2: today and stay in the game. We are back for
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  Speaker 2: our MIDWEK edition of Rugby Direct. Elligant Smith with me
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  Speaker 2: as always Liam Napier. Greetings Liam, Rugby world never slows down.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the pod.
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  Speaker 3: Great to be helliotts and no, it doesn't, particularly when
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  Speaker 3: you're in the midst of appointing a new All Blacks
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  Speaker 3: coaching team. There's always going to be sparks and flurries
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  Speaker 3: and news of points in. It's what we're having over
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  Speaker 3: the last few weeks, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there certainly. Well, there was a couple of media
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  Speaker 2: autlet's yesterday reporting that tana Umanga is in line to
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  Speaker 2: become an assistant coach with the All Blacks. We did
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  Speaker 2: bring up his name, I think on the Monday Pod
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  Speaker 2: potentially and know he's been mentioned elsewhere on the breakdown,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. Too. What's the latest. What are you hearing
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  Speaker 2: around the potential of tana umang A joining that day
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  Speaker 2: for Renny coaching stuff?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think there where they smoked this fire Elliott
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  Speaker 3: with these things. But at this stage, no assistants have
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  Speaker 3: been offered coaching contracts, so it's certainly not a dune
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  Speaker 3: deal with anyone. No firm decisions have been made. I
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  Speaker 3: think Rennie's still doing his due diligence about because it's
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  Speaker 3: not just technically and tactically, is it. It's about an
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  Speaker 3: any coaching team who can work with whom, what personalities
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  Speaker 3: are involved, What New Zealand Rugby wants, what Rennie wants.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of moving parts involved in this.
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  Speaker 3: But look, in regards to tana umager, I did have
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  Speaker 3: a bit of correspondence with them, just back and forth
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  Speaker 3: over a text message, and he was civically nonchalant, saying,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't comment on speculation, but he's slated
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  Speaker 3: to be considered. So look, he's firmly in the mix
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  Speaker 3: and Dave Rennie wants him to be his defense coach,
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  Speaker 3: which would effectively replace Tamody Ellison.
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  Speaker 4: So if we just there.
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  Speaker 3: With that in isolation, how do you think tana Umonger
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  Speaker 3: would go as an all black defense coach.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that would be the role for him
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  Speaker 2: his sister. Sorry, his head coaching time at the Blues
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  Speaker 2: didn't really work out. He was shuffled out of the
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  Speaker 2: early Remember Leo McDonald came on board back end of
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  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen and took over for twenty nineteen when tana
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  Speaker 2: Umanga was supposed to be head coaching. But it was
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  Speaker 2: then over the next couple of years that they he
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  Speaker 2: sort of found his niche with the Blues for a
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  Speaker 2: couple of seasons. Their defense is pretty strong. He developed
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  Speaker 2: some good systems and then left I think was at
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. Ended up becoming Mawana coach down the track,
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  Speaker 2: but it felt like maybe as an assistant that was
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  Speaker 2: a role he was perhaps better suited to than being
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  Speaker 2: an out and out head coach, and he wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: alone in that. There's been a number of coaches that
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  Speaker 2: are better place to narrow their focus down on one
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  Speaker 2: element of the game and not have to worry about
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  Speaker 2: the full package and essentially being the CEO of the team,
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  Speaker 2: but really zero in on one thing. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: where tana Umonger's strength has ultimately been found. So Dave
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  Speaker 2: Rennie of course coached tana umung a way back win
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  Speaker 2: for Wellington and the early two thousands, so there is
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  Speaker 2: a history between those two as well. But I think
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  Speaker 2: ultimately you can't judge t Umo on his head coaching
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  Speaker 2: role necessarily. I think his defense is, you know, something
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  Speaker 2: that the Blues prided themselves on when they were at
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  Speaker 2: when he was at the team as the defense coach.
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  Speaker 2: So look, I think it's a if it happens, a
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  Speaker 2: fairly astute appointment.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I think it's a great way to
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  Speaker 4: put it.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a couple of elements to explore with
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  Speaker 3: tana and you mentioned as Blues coaching tenure there, but
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  Speaker 3: he's also had He's vastly experienced as a coach and
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  Speaker 3: maybe it's because of what he achieved as a player
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  Speaker 3: that that gets a wee bit lost. But he's been
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  Speaker 3: coaching for fifteen years now. He did five years in
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  Speaker 3: France or Toulon, he did some time at the Chiefs
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  Speaker 3: and he did really well with Connie's Monaco. They won
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  Speaker 3: the Roan Fallly Shield. Obviously, the Blues and then Mouana
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  Speaker 3: and obviously Arti had a massive impact and influence on
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  Speaker 3: that team, but Tana was a huge factor in Ardi
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  Speaker 3: going to Moana in the first place, but also Moana
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  Speaker 3: last year. Remember, outside of Arti, I'll challenge you to
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  Speaker 3: name many players in that team that any Super Ragby
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  Speaker 3: team would have been chasing. And yet they knocked over
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  Speaker 3: every New Zealand Super Ragby team I think by the
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  Speaker 3: Chiefs when were one when within the playoffs. So from
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  Speaker 3: a head coaching perspective of a team that had a
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  Speaker 3: real lack of star power and depth, did bloody well
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  Speaker 3: on that occasion. And then of course there's this Pacifica
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  Speaker 3: element that's forming around the All Blacks, isn't there. Dave Renny,
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  Speaker 3: the first All Blacks head coach of Pacifica Heritage, his
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  Speaker 3: mother from Raratonga tana Umaga, the first All Blacks captain
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  Speaker 3: of Pacifica heritage in history, has a great way of
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  Speaker 3: connecting and bringing through that culture and I think that's
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  Speaker 3: probably something that was lacking within that All Black camp
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  Speaker 3: under Raiser. And if you look at the demographic of
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  Speaker 3: not just the All Blacks but Super rugby teams NRL teams.
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  Speaker 3: Increasingly those are populated by players with Pacifica and Maldi heritage.
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  Speaker 3: So I think it is in a stoote move and
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  Speaker 3: I think it is probably nigh on time that we
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  Speaker 3: see more representation from Pacifica and Maldi in an All
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  Speaker 3: Blacks coaching team, and I think that could only only
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  Speaker 3: help the team, particularly when you're looking at effectively a
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  Speaker 3: cultural rebuild for this team.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it is? And among A former captain, brings a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Mana, but it can't just be about Mana alone.
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  Speaker 2: It can't just be about what he's going to bring
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  Speaker 2: to the culture. It's got to be on the defense.
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  Speaker 2: And to be honest, that's probably an area that they
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  Speaker 2: haven't really solidified the All Blacks in the last few years,
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  Speaker 2: is that that defensive role. There's been a lot of
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  Speaker 2: weak tries conceded. You know, Timothy Allison maybe was a
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  Speaker 2: bit too far early in his coaching career for him
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  Speaker 2: to take on that role and bring the changes in
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  Speaker 2: the All Blacks environment. Scott McLeod did it until twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three as well, but he took over from Wayne Smith.
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  Speaker 2: So the bandon has been passed around and no one's
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  Speaker 2: really sort of taken it and charged toward it. Towards it,
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  Speaker 2: so there's, you know, the possibility that he might be
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  Speaker 2: able to make some quick shifts in this department if
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  Speaker 2: he is appointed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you say, there needs to be because
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  Speaker 3: I think somebody Elson we've discussed will be a good
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  Speaker 3: coach in time. But as you say, I think was
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  Speaker 3: probably promoted to a position of influence too, So I
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  Speaker 3: think he started as a contact coach within the All
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  Speaker 3: Blacks but was quickly elevated to the defense brief when
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  Speaker 3: Scott Hansen assumed a switch from defense to attack and look,
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  Speaker 3: defense is so prevalent in modern day rugby, whether it
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  Speaker 3: be rush defense or umbrella style, you know, shutting down
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  Speaker 3: time and space and playmakers. That's evolved massively in recent times.
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  Speaker 3: You've seen the league influence coming with David Kidwell and
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  Speaker 3: Shawn Edwards going to France and others, so it's a
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  Speaker 3: very important brief. There are others that have done well
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  Speaker 3: within New Zealand rugby. I think Craig McGrath and the
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  Speaker 3: Blues is quite highly regarded and abroad other keywis like
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  Speaker 3: Jared Payne in Australia, Laurie Fisher is as.
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  Speaker 4: Well regarded as well.
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  Speaker 3: So it's an important area that the All Blacks need
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  Speaker 3: to get right. And maybe Tanna's the guy, maybe he's not,
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  Speaker 3: but I think he would be an upgrade on somebody Allison.
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  Speaker 2: So there's tracks with what we sort of put out
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  Speaker 2: there on Monday in the podcast that Jason Ryan would
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  Speaker 2: be the only survivor of the previous coaching raging to
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  Speaker 2: retain a job. Assuming that goes ahead and anything changes
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  Speaker 2: from this.
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  Speaker 3: Point potentially, Yeah, I think there's a bit of a
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  Speaker 3: standoff brewing between an early standoff between he's on on
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  Speaker 3: rugby and Dave Rennie around the attack. Brief now, I
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  Speaker 3: expect Dave Rennie to take on a large role with
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  Speaker 3: that attack.
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  Speaker 4: That's his.
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  Speaker 3: Trademark, is I guess from it from a coaching perspective,
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  Speaker 3: He's very strong an attack and I think that was
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  Speaker 3: a reason he was preferred over Joseph. But Scott Hansen
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  Speaker 3: is on a four year contract and we know he
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  Speaker 3: held quite strong influence and responsibilities within Scott Robinson's team.
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  Speaker 3: He was his two IC, he did a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the on ground coaching. Him and Jason Ryan are both
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  Speaker 3: on four year contracts, so having paid out Scott Robertson.
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  Speaker 3: I think New Zealand Rugby is potentially keen for Scott
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  Speaker 3: Hansen to be tained because then that would avoid them
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  Speaker 3: having to pay him out.
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  Speaker 4: And of course.
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  Speaker 3: Rennie wants Mike Blair, who's done a great job with
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  Speaker 3: Kobe in recent years, the former Scotland halfback, to help
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  Speaker 3: come in and run the attack, but he's one on.
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  Speaker 3: Rugby have traditionally not hired or recruited foreign coach for
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  Speaker 3: the All Blacks, so I think there's a bit of
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  Speaker 3: a standoff browing there. It's gonna be interesting to see
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  Speaker 3: how that transplires hate Daisen.
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  Speaker 2: We've already got a standoff napes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, these things never go quite so smoothly. But if
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  Speaker 3: you think back to Razor, how do you think it
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  Speaker 3: should play out? Raizorhead car Blanche that that didn't really
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  Speaker 3: unfolds too well?
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  Speaker 4: How do you think this should play out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it's an interesting one, isn't it. Dave
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  Speaker 2: Rennie should have his say on who he wants to
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  Speaker 2: be his assistants, and I don't know that putting to
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  Speaker 2: people together in an arranged marriage like potentially they may
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  Speaker 2: have de forced to work with Scott Hansen is going
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  Speaker 2: to be for the betterment of the All Blacks. I
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  Speaker 2: think if they want this team to be set up
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  Speaker 2: for winning the World Cup, they mentioned trajectory, Well, if
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  Speaker 2: Dave Rennie doesn't believe that Scott Hanson is part of
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  Speaker 2: that trajectory to get through to the World Cup, then
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  Speaker 2: I think ultimately he's got to walk the plank. And
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  Speaker 2: if they've got to pay him out then then so
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  Speaker 2: be it. I think this is a special case here,
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  Speaker 2: and look, you don't want the head coach to have
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  Speaker 2: the ultimate savior needs to be some element of New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand rugby giving sign off and agreeing with who he
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  Speaker 2: puts forward. But also you know he's been thrust and
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  Speaker 2: potentially made to work with someone that may not gel together.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a tricky one. But I've got a sign
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  Speaker 2: with probably Dave Rennie on this one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you should be able to work people
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  Speaker 3: he knows and trusts, and I think we saw last
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  Speaker 3: year of the All Black's attack struggle consistently struggle with
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  Speaker 3: Scott Hanson in that role.
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  Speaker 4: So for me, it's a pretty black and white choice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, stump up the cash, you pay him out, but
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  Speaker 3: you know it is a business, but also the all
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  Speaker 3: black springing that revenue. So you've got to give Dave
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  Speaker 3: Rennie the beer chance to get that right. There's pros
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  Speaker 3: and cons to every situation. Scott Hansen would be in
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  Speaker 3: New Zealand, so he would be around to go around
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  Speaker 3: the Super Rugby teams and deliver messages and whatnot. But
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  Speaker 3: Mike Blair and Dave Renny are together in Japan, so
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  Speaker 3: while they would be coaching Kobe, I'm sure they'd find
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  Speaker 3: time outside of that to discuss where they'd go with
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  Speaker 3: your Blacks attack. They'd be living and breathing with each
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  Speaker 3: other on a daily weekly basis, so I think that's
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  Speaker 3: certainly the preference.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, let's move on news. A couple of days ago,
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  Speaker 2: Crusaders quote unquote scrap at training between a couple of
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  Speaker 2: players Will Tucker one of their locks and Proprecersial Psychs
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  Speaker 2: Martin a little bit captured on iPhone camera footage. Has
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  Speaker 2: this been blown up all out of proportion? Liam rob
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  Speaker 2: Penny didn't seem to really give a shit, And I
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  Speaker 2: know there's been a bit of consternation out of the
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  Speaker 2: Crusaders around the way it's been reported, But ultimately this
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  Speaker 2: seems to like a storm and a tea cup. They
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  Speaker 2: show probably more aggression at training on Tuesday, though, than
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  Speaker 2: they showed in the entire eighty minutes on Saturday night
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  Speaker 2: at Eden Park.
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  Speaker 3: That's nothing that Rugby Direct hasn't seen before. There's bricks
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  Speaker 3: of broken limbs, of broken arms.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. This just comes when you're in a
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  Speaker 2: closed space together.
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  Speaker 4: Oh look, I think yes, you had it coming.
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  Speaker 3: To be fair, it's been brewing for a while, all
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  Speaker 3: that Crusader's rubbish you spout had to get something in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm still nursing back from that broken arm, thank
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  Speaker 2: you very much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, look, I'm all for it.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's nothing wrong with a bit of heat
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  Speaker 3: at training, particularly after a loss. There should be a
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  Speaker 3: bit of tension, but a frustration. If that boils over,
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  Speaker 3: then so be it. Rugby is a contact sport. You
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  Speaker 3: live on the edge sometimes and I don't have a
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  Speaker 3: problem with it at all. I thought Rob Penny actually
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  Speaker 3: spoke to it quite well. We said nothing to see here,
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  Speaker 3: just a couple of men fired up, and they should
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  Speaker 3: be after what happened to Eden Park. So maybe you'll
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  Speaker 3: get a reaction from the Crusaders. This week and maybe
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  Speaker 3: that's a reflection of what's going on in their camp.
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  Speaker 3: And we saw this with the Wartars and pre season,
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  Speaker 3: didn't we And that was a much more serious situation
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  Speaker 3: because there was injuries and I think a fine or
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  Speaker 3: a suspension handed out in the.
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  Speaker 2: End, Yeah there was. Yeah, that was a pretty ugly
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  Speaker 2: one and the end nothing like that down at Ruggy
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  Speaker 2: Park in christ Church. I can assure you quick look
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  Speaker 2: at the team news before we get into the mail bag.
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  Speaker 2: Not a lot to report this week, necessarily, but good
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  Speaker 2: to see Ruben Love on the Hurricanes bench for the
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  Speaker 2: game against the Force in Napier Friday night.
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  Speaker 4: It is indeed.
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  Speaker 3: And look, Callum Hawkins done a great job certainly against
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  Speaker 3: the Waratars last week. He stepped up a nice crossfield
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  Speaker 3: kick and various other moments. But Ruben Loved be good
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  Speaker 3: to see him back at ten because he actually did
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  Speaker 3: have quite a profound influence to the back end of
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  Speaker 3: last year for the Hurricanes at ten. We haven't seen
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  Speaker 3: enough of them at ten or in any capacity really.
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  Speaker 3: He's been put on ice from a test rugby perspective,
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  Speaker 3: so he's a young man who needs game time, needs consistency,
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  Speaker 3: needs to be in the shop window for Dave Renni
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  Speaker 3: and to build some momentum and confidence. So good to
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  Speaker 3: see him back. And I think throughout that Hurricanes team
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  Speaker 3: and some of the other sides that the Chiefs, there's
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  Speaker 3: been a bit of rotation and that you can see
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  Speaker 3: the depth coming through for some teams and not for others.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, you can, yep looking forward to that match and
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  Speaker 2: seeing Reubin Love trot out over on Friday nights in
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  Speaker 5: Take it away, Killer, Yes, thank you earlier, hopefully see
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  Speaker 5: you soon. Liam. Just don't at the same one zoom
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  Speaker 5: we miss yet but this one comes all the way
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: from Australia. Floyd. He says he's enjoying the podcast, particularly
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: now he gets two episodes a week, and what a
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: truth that is. He's very happy about the Reny decision,
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: looking forward to seeing the makeup of his assistants, and
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  Speaker 5: he doesn't really he's got no problem with Mike Blair
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  Speaker 5: being a part of the team. But this one his question,
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  Speaker 5: he said, it may be stupid to ask in the
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  Speaker 5: content on the context of context, but why do we
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  Speaker 5: keep seeing so many injuries, particularly in pregame warmups this
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  Speaker 5: week with a hamstring as a case in point. These
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  Speaker 5: guys sees, These guys are professional athletes. I would have
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  Speaker 5: thought their physical conditioning it would be so easily and
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  Speaker 5: frequently compromised. What is he missing?
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  Speaker 2: It's an interesting one, isn't it. Here? We see a
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  Speaker 2: lot of and sometimes you see teams, certain teams have
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  Speaker 2: a number of sort of tissue damage, soft tissue damage.
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  Speaker 2: In a year, there'll be a number of those sort
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  Speaker 2: of injuries, calf strains, et cetera. And that occasionally points
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  Speaker 2: to being overtrained during the week and you get to
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  Speaker 2: game down you're not quite ready to go. We've seen
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  Speaker 2: teams go through horror runs. Try thing off the top
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  Speaker 2: of my head, but you know, acls and various other
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  Speaker 2: things that are just almost pure dumb luck in a way.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know what's initially down to it. They'll
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  Speaker 2: probably go back and go maybe because there's everything so
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  Speaker 2: data driven these days, isn't it, Lee, And they could
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  Speaker 2: probably go back and go. Jeez, on Thursday, we probably
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  Speaker 2: maxed them out to one hundred and ten percent when
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  Speaker 2: maybe we could have gone a little bit lighter and
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  Speaker 2: maybe that injury doesn't happen. Sometimes it is down to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you slip over and you roll an ankle
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  Speaker 2: or you do your hamstring in. But sometimes it is
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  Speaker 2: down to a little bit of overtraining and naps. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure we know coaches that have overtrained their charges from
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  Speaker 2: time to time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot more rugby these days increasingly,
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  Speaker 3: so that's part of it. But the more rugby you play,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: the more training you have to go through, the more
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: strain you put on your body. They're probably a bit
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: more precautionary these days. And then you've got some athletes
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: that are more prone to injuries than others. Stephen Peterifetter
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: one example. He was pulled late from the Blues game
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: last week with that calf injury that kept them out
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: for most of last year coming back, and we've seen
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Nathan Blackheader and the like.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: There's some players that are just really prone to it.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: But I think we are seeing movement in that area
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: as well, because I think it was the English Premiership
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: or somewhere up north are actually looking to put restrictions
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: on the amount of contact that teams can put players
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: through any given week, but also during the preseason, allowing
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: them to have proper breaks and certain conditioning before they
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: can actually return to contact. So I think that's something
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: that the NFL and the like you have brought in
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: in recent years, and I think it's something we're going
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: to see in rugby increasingly as well.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Indeed, Floyd, thank you very much for your message. Next
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: one Killer.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: Yes, this is from Tim. I found the messaging out
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: from at Rennie's opening press conference really interesting and he
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: wanted to throw a question our way in that same
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: press so he mentioned that players will have to earn
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: the right to wear the jersey and he will have
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: no loyalties. Yet he openly raised the idea of bringing
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: back Brody Rettallic from Japan. Brittallic. Obviously, he was coached
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: multiple stages of his career by Rennie, coming through before
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: the All Blacks at the Chiefs now A game in Japan.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Also interesting when you look at the other overlaps. Rennie
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: currently coaches Artie Severe, who looks to be sort of
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: the favorite to be the next captain, and his comments
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: on Scott Barrett were notably lukewarm. Also, Anton Lena Brown
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: is in that Japanese team, a player who's form had
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: seen him drifting a bit out of All Blacks contention.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: So with the no loyalties lines sounds strong. There are
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: clearly players he already knows very well. His bigger question
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: this one, though, is about the criticism we heard from
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: last year around players not earning the jersey in the
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: idea of Crusader's bias in selection, we exactly were those
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: players that people felt hadn't earned their spots in that team.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Liam, you want to take this one first from Tim?
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Sure, I think the obvious one that springs to mind
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: is savy Reese. There's a real feeling that Bill Black
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: should have moved on from him a lot earlier and
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: invested in guys like Caleb Toungueytow and others should have
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: been given a crack sooner, I think. But look as
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: far as the Crusader's bias goes, I don't know if
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I buy into that. You look at guys like David
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Hevili and Ethan Blackheader, they were prominent figures and that
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Crusaders set up when when Razor was there and he
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: went away from them, So I think you have to
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: give him credit for he was very clear in his
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: mind about distancing himself from those ties to the Crusaders.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: When it came to selection, I think you had a
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: number of Blues players that were had umbradge with their
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: non selections Dalton, Papa Lee, Riquwani slopping down the ranks
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: and Hoskins, Attutu and others. So I think that's probably
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: where a lot a lot of that potential bias or
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: perception of bias stems from.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, by the end of it, there were probably more
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Chiefs and the All Blacks set up than there were Crusaders.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Every member of the loose Ford tree, I think, apart
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: from Kayleb Boshier got a goonsig at some point, you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Leroy Carter came in and we're not saying that they
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: went worthy, but there was certainly a lot more, probably
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Chiefs in that second year and he went away from Paveli,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: especially after he had a strong Super Rugby season the
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: year prior. I think ultimately for Dave Rennie coming in
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: with you, you can say that you're not coming in
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: with any bias, but everyone's got inherent biases, just you know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: whether you're a fan of a certain team or whatever
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: it might be. He would have watched plenty of take
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: while he's in Japan, of Super rugby games back home,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and and whether he was consciously doing it or not,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: he would have been analyzing it and going how does
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: this player maybe fit into an international setup or could
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: they go to higher honors. So I think there's going
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: to be, you know, some inherent bias there, which is
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: natural as a human being and being a rugby person.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: But you know, I do like the idea of a
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: clean slate to bring up Brodie Rettelic though, which to
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: suggest that he has been thinking about this for quite
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: some time. It was Yes, it was off the cuff remark,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: but to me it sounded like he had been thinking
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: that maybe Brodie Rettelig is ready to return to international
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: rugby anymore. In the mailbag, mark.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah two more, this one from camp from the Napier
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: Hastings area. This is more of a fun one.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: If you saw the Hurricanes Warrantars game on Friday, Clark
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: laidlaw in the coaching box, he is wearing one of
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: those new retro juzies that the classic sports where have
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: brought out cam asks? Is this going to be a
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: bit of a movement now for rugby coaches? And you
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: might see them sort of a dressed as baseball coaches.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: They wear the full kick sort of thing. Could you
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: see that or would you rather than the polos or
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: the baser or whatever.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't. I don't know how you feel, napes,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: but I quite liked the idea of each coach just
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: having their own vibe. We see it in English football.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: You know. Some some coaches wear the full suits it up.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Some are more comfortable in a sort of puffer jacket,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: sideline or whatever it might be. Rop Any, I think,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: often wears the dress shirt for his games. But you know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Van Cott is more of a polo man. So's Jamie Joseph.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: As long as it's got a bit of team team logo,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: team merch on. I don't have a huge deal with it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I was more against the idea of I'm wearing a
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: cap indoors. You know I'm old school in that regard.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Hats off inside please. I feel like that was very personal.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Like me.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Directly.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Look, I think the more Canes merch the better, isn't it?
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Everyone should be donning it. I've ordered one of those
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: classic jerseys for Super Round, so wear loud and prouds
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: display its on the weekend in which the Canes continue
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: their their magic rides. I think that their message is
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: from good made of mine. Actually is going pretty well
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: on the tips this year, so been giving me a
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: bit of stick. So maybe if if he goes well
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: on fantasy or win himself some Canes merchant that'll keep
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: them happy. Is a high on his man at heart,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: but we might be able to convert them.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I'll make sure that that has stopped at the border
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: when you get to christ Church and that is confiscated
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: off you. Thank you, Liam. Final email from the Malo please,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and this one's on Matt.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: We alluded to this a couple of weeks ago on
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: the podcast when it was a Nick Bewley Elliott Smith.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Is you like to call it crusaders direct, but just
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: he's happy. Matt is very happy that Liam Napier is back,
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: but more not just Hurricanes chat. I actually would like
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: to hear some more chief chat. We got to buy
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: this week, chiefs man. Yeah, but how are we looking?
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: We're looking like this is a question from me now,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: like are we favorites?
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Are you favorites? You lost to the Crusaders, you know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: ten days ago. Oh, but that was an all time game.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: If it wasn't for the third quarter there, that game was.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: It wasn't for the forty three points you conceded, you
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: would be right up there.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: This season, miss tackles and the bad reefing calls it
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: throw them out there.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I enjoyed. I enjoy getting Matt's email A couple
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: of weeks back. Crusaders Direct was a It was a
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: sticking blow, and by popular demand, we have managed to
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: bring Liam back to the podcast. So there you go, Lim,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: we got your message. AKA Matt.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, but my pseudo's been blown out of the water.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: It's good to have some balance and look other than
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the Canes mark. I think it is the Chief's title
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: to lose. So you know, don't don't mess it up.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: You just od. They don't play in the rain, the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Hurricanes the night playoff game and Canberra or suber coming.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Oh sorry, Lartoka coming right up for the Hurricanes. That'll
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: just the mail bag this week, but keep them coming
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: in Rugby direct at Newstalk ZB dot co dot nz
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: to get in touch with the podcast. We'll read a
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: few every Thursday on the podcast. Let's get into some
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: tipping for this week. Lim You're ahead of me by
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: one point twelve out of twenty, which is di bollicle.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: You know, out of twenty games, only twelve correc or
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: maybe it speaks to the quality of the competition, the
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: unpredictable nature. I have a leven out of twenty, which
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: is even worse. You alls did some good tipping for
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you while you're away and we exchanged some tips last week.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: You did pretty well. You picked up the Blues, were
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: going to beat the Crusaders, among others Hurricanes Force on
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Friday night in Napier. Surely the Force, buoyed by the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: news that Zach Lomax is about to join them when
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: they get back to Australia, they'll be good to tip
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: up the Hurricanes, weren't they.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Hopefully the Hurricanes do what they did to the Dura
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: last year and make them have a basically make them
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: sit outside their hotel and they'll all make them take
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: the long way from Auckland and all those sorts of
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: dirty tricks.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: But no, I don't think they'll need so.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I think they should roll over the top of the
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: force and continue that cane train right towards the station.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Elliott, Okay, that's enough. I'll got the Hurricanes as well,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: drew a brou on Saturday afternoon in Figi and Bar.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I think, for the first time new ground being used
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: in Fiji. Interesting one here. I think the Brumbies will
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: go over and win, but I suspect it might be
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: quite close.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Figi that you're always more competitive at home, but
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: you beg them Bumbies to get that done.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Crusaders Islanders the Southern Classic cut the Cord Classic
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: on Saturday night, seven o'clock in christ Church. Did the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Crusaders bounce back? Liam? I think they do, but I
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: think the Honders will give them a real run for
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: their money after beating them in round one, but I
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: don't think they'll do it again.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Well, New Zealand's behind the Landers Elliotts, but unfortunately for
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the sake of my tipping, I am going to go
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: your boys to sneak home.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Crusader on Baby Red's wartar is really interesting one. We've
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: already seen this game already in round one, just the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Crusaders and Holand is in round one this time though
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: it is in Brisbane nine point thirty five on Saturday night.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Red's with that big one over the Brumbies last week.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: The war retars being humiligated by your Hurricanes. I find
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: this really hard to tip, but I'm going to go
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the home team.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Wartas bubble might have burst of
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: it and confidence rocked. Dan mckeller a no doubt fire
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: a few shots, but Read's back at home to get
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: the business done.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: There and Blues mawana a rear. Sunday afternoon game at
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Eden Park three thirty five. The Blues with a couple
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: of changes here and there, but they are rolling out
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Boat and Barrett to start again. More one. I think
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: have dropped Nanni La Marpe to the bench for this one.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I think the Blues at home should be too good.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: They should.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good to see the Blues Sunday afternoon, as you mentioned,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: but also kids go free, so if you've got some
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: wheet terras running around and looking for something to do
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: on Sunday afternoon, I think the weather is meant to
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: be good. Go along to the Pacifica Festival it's Western
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Springs and then duck into Eden Park.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Indeed two three events.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not bad at all, not bad at all. You
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: can catch that game on Goldsport and Nightheart Radio. Incidentally,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: if you don't make it, along to the Ground with
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Mel Jordan. Also Crusaders, Highlanders and Cane's Force throughout the
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: weekend on gold Sport and iHeartRadio as well. We can
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: get in touch with us on the Tip and comp
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: sorry in the Fantasy as well Rugby Direct podcast as
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: we can find us, which reminds me I need to
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: make some changes this week. But that'll do us for
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Rugby Direct for this week. We'll be back sometime next week,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: probably only for one episode. Next week. I have other
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: business to attend to this weekend and I'm probably not
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: going to see too much rugby so I need to
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: catch up, So probably back with one at some point
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: next week Liam and look forward to that. And I
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: have some news on some All Blacks assistants by then too.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: That should all go down next week, so I have
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: plenty of the two over at some point.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Look forward to it now thanks to Mark Kelly producing
• 28:49
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• 28:51
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