Latest / Sid & Friends In The Morning / Allison Josephs | Founder & Executive Director of "Jew in the City" Previews JITC 3rd Jewish Media Awards at Lincoln Center
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Alison Joseph's been a friend of mine for many, many years.
- 0:03Speaker 1: She's known as Jew in the City. I love that.
- 0:06Speaker 1: This was years ago, way before October 7th, when she
- 0:09Speaker 1: became famous with that moniker. She invited me to a big,
- 0:12Speaker 1: big night years ago. in Lincoln Center, where they honored
- 0:16Speaker 1: a whole bunch of Jews. You know who they honored
- 0:17Speaker 1: that night, actually, Lewis? It's coming back to me. I
- 0:20Speaker 1: think they honored Dov Kramer.
- 0:23Speaker 2: Yeah. Right?
- 0:24Speaker 3: WFAN. Really?
- 0:25Speaker 1: They got rid of him since, the fan, but they
- 0:28Speaker 1: say he resigned, but I think they got rid of him.
- 0:29Speaker 1: I think he was the longest tenured guy at FAN.
- 0:32Speaker 4: He was.
- 0:32Speaker 3: He was. He was there before me.
- 0:34Speaker 1: He writes for this publication, Torah, he used to ask
- 0:38Speaker 1: me for quotes, but you honored him.
- 0:40Speaker 3: That night, didn't you?
- 0:40Speaker 5: We did.
- 0:41Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's good to see you. Are you still
- 0:42Speaker 3: Jew in the city?
- 0:44Speaker 2: Still Jew in the city, but now we have repurposed
- 0:46Speaker 2: JITC to also mean the Jewish Institute for Television and Cinema.
- 0:50Speaker 1: You're into this whole thing with Hollywood, and I'm in
- 0:54Speaker 1: an Amazon Prime series right now, but I don't play
- 0:56Speaker 1: a Jew, I play a mob guy.
- 0:58Speaker 3: It's season three, and I played a mob guy.
- 1:00Speaker 1: For two seasons. Every role I've done, two movies, two
- 1:03Speaker 1: TV shows, I've played an Italian. I've never played a Jew.
- 1:06Speaker 1: I am a Jew. But you're doing a lot of
- 1:07Speaker 1: stuff with the Jewish people, and the lack of recognition,
- 1:11Speaker 1: I guess, they get in Hollywood.
- 1:12Speaker 3: Is that right?
- 1:13Speaker 2: Well, the thing is that Hollywood obviously has always been Jewish.
- 1:16Speaker 2: The question is, what type of Jewish identity do we
- 1:19Speaker 2: bring to Hollywood? And the founders started it because they
- 1:22Speaker 2: were running from anti-Semitism. And there was this sense 100
- 1:25Speaker 2: years ago that if you erase your identity, you hide,
- 1:29Speaker 2: you mock it, then maybe you'll be accepted more into
- 1:32Speaker 2: Gentile culture.
- 1:33Speaker 1: They had no idea that anti-Semitism was the actual motivation
- 1:37Speaker 1: behind all this.
- 1:38Speaker 2: They could not get into industries that were considered highfalutin
- 1:42Speaker 2: back east, you know, publishing and real estate, all different. They,
- 1:48Speaker 2: you know, they had to make Jewish hospitals, Jewish law firms,
- 1:50Speaker 2: because all of the institutions, just like we're seeing today,
- 1:54Speaker 2: Jews getting marginalized from larger institutions, universities, different companies. That
- 1:59Speaker 2: was happening 100 years ago. Then we were too ethnic.
- 2:02Speaker 2: Now we're too white. It's the same thing, different side
- 2:06Speaker 2: of the coin. So they went out West and they
- 2:09Speaker 2: made an empire of their own, which is what the
- 2:11Speaker 2: famous book about Jewish Hollywood is called.
- 2:14Speaker 5: But when they went out there.
- 2:15Speaker 2: They didn't bring Jewish pride. They brought a little bit
- 2:18Speaker 2: of that shame, internalized shame and hatred, and sort of
- 2:21Speaker 2: that sense of how the anti-Semites saw them. And they
- 2:24Speaker 2: changed their names and they told stories of assimilation. The
- 2:27Speaker 2: first talkie film that The Warner Brothers put to sound,
- 2:32Speaker 2: the first time they put sound on a film was
- 2:34Speaker 2: The Jazz Singer. It was about the Cantor's son leaving
- 2:37Speaker 2: the fold, marrying Mary.
- 2:39Speaker 3: Sure.
- 2:40Speaker 5: And becoming American.
- 2:41Speaker 3: Great movie.
- 2:42Speaker 1: Neil Diamond and Sir Lawrence Olivier.
- 2:45Speaker 5: They released it on Yom Kippur.
- 2:46Speaker 1: They said that.
- 2:47Speaker 5: They released it on Yom Kippur.
- 2:48Speaker 3: Oh, they did release it on Yom Kippur.
- 2:49Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:49Speaker 1: So because there's a lot of older Jewish actors that
- 2:53Speaker 1: changed their names. For example, Tony Randall, who was in
- 2:56Speaker 1: The Odd Couple. His last name is Rosenberg. Did you
- 2:58Speaker 1: know that?
- 2:59Speaker 3: Tony Randall.
- 3:00Speaker 1: Did you know the last name of Tony Curtis, who
- 3:02Speaker 1: comes off like one of the biggest Italian actors ever?
- 3:05Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe his last name was Schwartz.
- 3:07Speaker 1: So for years they've been doing that out there in Hollywood.
- 3:10Speaker 5: Yeah, that was basically how Hollywood started.
- 3:12Speaker 2: And so the thing is that 100 years ago, All
- 3:15Speaker 2: different groups, I think, were trying to blend in and
- 3:17Speaker 2: be a little bit less of their identity. We have
- 3:20Speaker 2: this movement now and Hollywood is at the forefront. And
- 3:22Speaker 2: this is sort of a thing where when you get
- 3:24Speaker 2: into politics, obviously, there's a lot of areas where the
- 3:26Speaker 2: right and the left disagrees. This is where I think
- 3:29Speaker 2: there could be a universal agreement because Hollywood is obviously
- 3:32Speaker 2: very to the left. What about just like, you know,
- 3:35Speaker 2: having dignity and humanity for different types of people? And
- 3:39Speaker 2: I don't agree with the villainization of white people. I
- 3:42Speaker 2: think that's a problem, too. Whites are Christians. There's only
- 3:45Speaker 2: a few groups left that you're kind of allowed to vilify.
- 3:47Speaker 2: Every other group at this point has this pride and
- 3:50Speaker 2: diversity in.
- 3:51Speaker 5: Their storytelling and not Jews.
- 3:54Speaker 2: So we went to Hollywood in 2021 after learning that
- 3:57Speaker 2: every other minority group had been advocating for decades. They
- 4:00Speaker 2: do trainings. They do research. They have culturally competent consultants.
- 4:04Speaker 2: And then they do media awards once a year to
- 4:06Speaker 2: celebrate the studios that are doing a nice job.
- 4:09Speaker 3: Media awards, these other groups. But now you're doing that.
- 4:12Speaker 5: We're doing that now for the Jews.
- 4:14Speaker 2: So just to tell you how late we are to
- 4:16Speaker 2: this game, the NAACP Image Awards are in their 57th year.
- 4:20Speaker 2: The GLAAD Media Awards are in their 37th year. And
- 4:23Speaker 2: the JITC Jewish Media Awards are in our third year.
- 4:26Speaker 3: Only third year. And you're the person behind all this, right?
- 4:29Speaker 2: We are the people behind it. It's a little bit gutsy.
- 4:32Speaker 2: And a lot of people have kind of been like,
- 4:34Speaker 2: why you? And what I will tell you is that
- 4:36Speaker 2: if I looked at Orthodox female representation in Hollywood to
- 4:39Speaker 2: learn how to behave as an Orthodox woman.
- 4:41Speaker 5: I would stay quiet. I would be meek.
- 4:43Speaker 2: But because I looked into my own tradition and I
- 4:46Speaker 2: saw women who had voices and power, like Queen Esther,
- 4:50Speaker 2: who decided to go up against the Persian Empire. Why?
- 4:53Speaker 2: Because when you're a Jew, you know it's you against
- 4:56Speaker 2: the world and you do it anyway.
- 4:58Speaker 1: Hold on a second, though. Let's have an honest conversation, OK?
- 5:00Speaker 1: Because right now you aren't an Orthodox woman, OK? But
- 5:03Speaker 1: there was a time you were not Orthodox. That's true.
- 5:06Speaker 3: You were a little wild.
- 5:08Speaker 5: I was never wild.
- 5:09Speaker 1: Ah, that's how I hear you. You were kind of wild. Like,
- 5:11Speaker 1: I got these cousins, right? And I'm not going to
- 5:13Speaker 1: mention their names, but They'd be out in like Fire
- 5:16Speaker 1: Island swinging, doing drugs, you know. And then all of
- 5:19Speaker 1: a sudden the next day, he's got a long beard,
- 5:21Speaker 1: my cousin. She's got the wig on and they're hanging
- 5:24Speaker 1: out with the Lubavitch. And they're as religious as anybody
- 5:27Speaker 1: you know. But they spent years doing all the things
- 5:30Speaker 1: that the Torah tells you not to do. I'm not
- 5:32Speaker 1: saying you.
- 5:32Speaker 3: Were like that.
- 5:33Speaker 2: I ate bacon cheeseburgers. That was the extent of my wife.
- 5:35Speaker 2: I became religious when I was 17.
- 5:36Speaker 3: So when you were 17. Yeah. So you gave up
- 5:39Speaker 3: bacon cheeseburgers.
- 5:40Speaker 5: I gave up a lot of things. But what I
- 5:42Speaker 5: will tell you.
- 5:43Speaker 3: What do you miss most? What do you miss most?
- 5:44Speaker 2: I mean, I've actually recreated a lot of the non-kosher
- 5:47Speaker 2: dishes from my childhood. And my husband was raised kosher,
- 5:50Speaker 2: was raised Orthodox. And he thought at first that sounds
- 5:53Speaker 2: gross to have bacon or to have cheese. And I'm like, no,
- 5:55Speaker 2: I'll show you how it goes. And now he loves it.
- 5:57Speaker 2: My kids love it.
- 5:58Speaker 5: So there's so many. This is what I would tell you.
- 6:01Speaker 2: I used to suntan in bikinis on the beach.
- 6:04Speaker 5: What I do now is we.
- 6:05Speaker 2: Find like private islands or like, you know, private beaches
- 6:08Speaker 2: within an island.
- 6:09Speaker 5: What I do is find ways to take.
- 6:12Speaker 2: All of the physical and material pleasures that I enjoyed
- 6:15Speaker 2: in as much as they can fit into Judaism and
- 6:18Speaker 2: still be able to enjoy that peace. But at the
- 6:21Speaker 2: end of the day, my soul is being filled with
- 6:24Speaker 2: something beyond what I had before.
- 6:26Speaker 1: So you are so happy. You could never imagine going
- 6:30Speaker 1: back to where you were before. You're happy being this
- 6:32Speaker 1: type of Jewish. You're wonderful.
- 6:34Speaker 3: I love you. You're happy in this, right?
- 6:35Speaker 1: You're happy.
- 6:36Speaker 2: Not only am I happy, you know, Let's talk about
- 6:38Speaker 2: anti-Semitism right now. I have a good friend from high
- 6:41Speaker 2: school who comes from a similar background than I do.
- 6:43Speaker 2: And she and I are both facing this hate now
- 6:45Speaker 2: that the world is throwing at us. And it is
- 6:48Speaker 2: increasingly alarming and scary and isolating. And I said to her,
- 6:52Speaker 2: you know, she's a proud Jew and she loves her
- 6:54Speaker 2: people and she's committed.
- 6:55Speaker 3: Is she Orthodox too?
- 6:56Speaker 1: She's not.
- 6:56Speaker 5: She's Reform.
- 6:57Speaker 3: Okay.
- 6:58Speaker 2: And she doesn't have the same Jewish knowledge and Torah
- 7:00Speaker 2: knowledge that I do because I began learning as I
- 7:02Speaker 2: became observant. And I explained to her, I have a
- 7:05Speaker 2: context for where this hate comes from. And sort of
- 7:08Speaker 2: a place to turn to for a deeper meaning, because
- 7:13Speaker 2: in our tradition, we know that we have been hated
- 7:16Speaker 2: and we know that this is sort of the point
- 7:19Speaker 2: of exile so that we don't lose our way and
- 7:22Speaker 2: we come together and we return to who we are.
- 7:24Speaker 2: And so to have that knowledge to give me strength
- 7:27Speaker 2: in these challenging times.
- 7:28Speaker 5: It's not only my day-to-day meaning.
- 7:31Speaker 2: It's that as the hatred of the world increases, I
- 7:33Speaker 2: turn deeper into my faith, into my traditions, in loving
- 7:36Speaker 2: my fellow Jew. And it gives me strength right now.
- 7:39Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do with if I
- 7:40Speaker 2: didn't have that.
- 7:41Speaker 1: God bless you. I love a lot of Jews. I
- 7:43Speaker 1: don't love all of them. I kill them on this
- 7:45Speaker 1: show all the time. But that's me. That's not you.
- 7:47Speaker 1: This is Alison Joseph. She is the Jew in the city,
- 7:50Speaker 1: and she's a wonderful young lady. Adam Brody, why would
- 7:53Speaker 1: he do what he did? He's playing a rabbi. It's
- 7:54Speaker 1: a great show. I watched season one with my wife.
- 7:56Speaker 1: We loved it, him and Kristen Bell. I will not
- 7:59Speaker 1: watch season two.
- 8:00Speaker 3: I won't do it. I won't do it. Why does
- 8:02Speaker 3: Adam Brody, why do all.
- 8:03Speaker 1: These Jewish people cave into the pressure of these morons
- 8:06Speaker 1: in Hollywood?
- 8:06Speaker 2: Why?
- 8:07Speaker 5: So I would say that.
- 8:08Speaker 2: If we look to Hollywood to be our moral compass,
- 8:11Speaker 2: we're maybe looking for heroes in the wrong place.
- 8:14Speaker 5: People don't go.
- 8:15Speaker 2: To Hollywood because they necessarily are the most righteous of
- 8:19Speaker 2: the world.
- 8:19Speaker 3: Good point.
- 8:19Speaker 2: There are some good people within that group. And we
- 8:22Speaker 2: have some strong Jewish voices. who are standing up despite
- 8:26Speaker 2: all of the hatred.
- 8:27Speaker 3: Where the hell is Steven Spielberg?
- 8:29Speaker 1: I mean, Adam Sandler's okay, I guess, but who are
- 8:32Speaker 1: these strong Jewish voices?
- 8:34Speaker 3: You have to understand, since October 7th, I'm looking for them.
- 8:38Speaker 3: I mean, I'm one of them, but I'm not really
- 8:39Speaker 3: an actor. I make B-movies. Who are these strong Jewish voices?
- 8:44Speaker 2: So some of the presenters that are coming to our
- 8:46Speaker 2: awards are.
- 8:47Speaker 3: Well, tell me about this.
- 8:48Speaker 2: Yeah, so Deborah Messing has been outspoken since the very beginning.
- 8:52Speaker 1: Oh, she's a good friend of mine now.
- 8:53Speaker 5: Yes, Deborah Messing.
- 8:53Speaker 1: Now, she hates Trump, and I can't stand that about her.
- 8:56Speaker 1: Can't stand it. But she was with me at Michael
- 8:59Speaker 1: Rappaport's documentary, which you must see. It's amazing. His experience
- 9:03Speaker 1: since October 7th. Am I canceled yet? And we talked,
- 9:07Speaker 1: and we took pictures. And so I love her for
- 9:09Speaker 1: her Israel stance. But I can't love her fully because
- 9:12Speaker 1: she hates my president.
- 9:13Speaker 2: So this is the point that I was saying to
- 9:15Speaker 2: you before we got on. We have to be big
- 9:17Speaker 2: tent at this point. We're not going to agree on everything.
- 9:20Speaker 5: For me, the red.
- 9:21Speaker 2: Line is, are you with the Jewish people or are
- 9:22Speaker 2: you not? We have Patricia Heaton, who is presenting at
- 9:25Speaker 2: our event. Again, we have some strong allies. Selma Blair
- 9:29Speaker 2: is presenting at our event.
- 9:30Speaker 3: She's crazy.
- 9:31Speaker 1: You know what?
- 9:33Speaker 2: She has MS. It causes some issues.
- 9:37Speaker 3: In the brain. Oh, come on. I like her.
- 9:41Speaker 1: She's strong.
- 9:43Speaker 5: She's strong on Israel. She is very strong on Israel.
- 9:45Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 9:46Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say that in this moment, this
- 9:49Speaker 2: is life and death. My line is really, are you
- 9:51Speaker 2: with the Jews? Are you against the Jews?
- 9:53Speaker 1: What about the Jews that are with Mamdani? How do
- 9:55Speaker 1: you feel about them?
- 9:57Speaker 2: We've actually always had Jews that didn't stick with the
- 10:00Speaker 2: Jewish people. I learned that Turk Amada, the Grand Inquisitor
- 10:04Speaker 2: in Spain, was actually a Jew.
- 10:05Speaker 3: Yes, he was.
- 10:06Speaker 1: Everybody knows that the greatest movie ever, History of the
- 10:09Speaker 1: World with Mel Brooks.
- 10:10Speaker 3: Talk him out of it. Don't you remember? Come on.
- 10:13Speaker 3: The Inquisition. Have you ever seen that movie?
- 10:15Speaker 5: I've saw it.
- 10:16Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 10:16Speaker 5: You look like the piss boy.
- 10:18Speaker 3: That was Harvey Kerman.
- 10:19Speaker 5: Do you know where we see this actually? In the Seder.
- 10:23Speaker 3: That's true.
- 10:23Speaker 5: The Wicked Son.
- 10:24Speaker 3: Yes.
- 10:24Speaker 2: The Wicked Son in the Seder separates himself from his people.
- 10:27Speaker 2: And I always found that part of the Seder to
- 10:29Speaker 2: be a bit harsh.
- 10:30Speaker 5: And then after this.
- 10:31Speaker 2: Whole post-October 7th Jews not standing with their people thing happened,
- 10:34Speaker 2: I realized these are the wicked sons.
- 10:36Speaker 5: So it's deeply painful.
- 10:38Speaker 2: But we're going to Lincoln Center on Thursday, November 5th,
- 10:42Speaker 2: to celebrate the Jews and the allies that are with us.
- 10:44Speaker 3: You've got good people. You've got really good people.
- 10:46Speaker 5: We have half a dozen studio sponsorships.
- 10:49Speaker 3: Wow.
- 10:50Speaker 5: We have HBO.
- 10:51Speaker 2: Max, Warner Brothers, Paramount, Disney, Fox, Sony. They are supporting us.
- 10:56Speaker 2: They are showing up with their people. And we're going
- 10:59Speaker 2: to have this really fascinating mix of every type of Jew.
- 11:03Speaker 2: We're honoring Kevin Bright, executive producer of Friends.
- 11:05Speaker 1: I told you that his partner was on this show
- 11:07Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago, David Fischhoff, who was Phil Simms' agent.
- 11:11Speaker 1: And they've done a movie together where they take kids
- 11:14Speaker 1: who survived October 7th. He has a rock and roll camp,
- 11:17Speaker 1: David Fischhoff. And they bring them to the camp. and
- 11:20Speaker 1: Guns N' Roses, and I guess Black Sabbath, and all
- 11:24Speaker 1: these groups are there, and these kids get through their
- 11:28Speaker 1: most difficult times after October.
- 11:30Speaker 3: 7th because of music.
- 11:32Speaker 2: Yep, and Kevin Bright is a producer on that, and
- 11:34Speaker 2: he has had this beautiful long-standing relationship with his Chabad rabbi,
- 11:38Speaker 2: Kevin Bright is not Chabad. You know, Kevin's rabbi is
- 11:41Speaker 2: not a Hollywood producer director. But what they show in
- 11:44Speaker 2: their video that we're going to premiere there is that
- 11:47Speaker 2: you can love a Jew who does not live exactly
- 11:49Speaker 2: like you. We have The Pit as one of our honorees.
- 11:52Speaker 2: We have Dancing with the Stars. They did this beautiful
- 11:54Speaker 2: Hanukkah episode. We have Red Alert from Paramount. Did you
- 11:57Speaker 2: ever see Tehran on Apple TV? Is that a show
- 11:59Speaker 2: you've seen?
- 12:00Speaker 1: Never saw that. Amazing.
- 12:02Speaker 5: Israeli Mossad agent.
- 12:04Speaker 3: Oh, no, I saw it. Tehran, I saw it. Yeah, yeah.
- 12:05Speaker 1: Amazing.
- 12:06Speaker 2: So the creator of the show is flying in from Israel.
- 12:09Speaker 2: So we have this star-studded lineup.
- 12:10Speaker 1: They blew up the guy inside the big war missile.
- 12:15Speaker 1: Remember the guy that was the wife?
- 12:17Speaker 3: She couldn't leave the house.
- 12:17Speaker 1: Right, right, right. Yeah, that's a great show.
- 12:19Speaker 3: It's called Tehran, right?
- 12:20Speaker 5: Tehran, yep.
- 12:22Speaker 2: So what we're basically doing is we are honoring the
- 12:25Speaker 2: television shows and films that are standing with the Jews
- 12:28Speaker 2: right now that are showing Jewish representation in a positive way.
- 12:31Speaker 5: The Jewish community is running.
- 12:33Speaker 2: In circles trying to figure out how do we change
- 12:34Speaker 2: the narrative. And there's actually a mechanism in Hollywood and
- 12:38Speaker 2: We came in not knowing anything, I have to tell you,
- 12:41Speaker 2: and we've been advocating.
- 12:42Speaker 1: So how do people get to this event on Thursday,
- 12:45Speaker 1: November 5th? How do they get there if they haven't already?
- 12:47Speaker 2: So if you go to JITCHollywoodBureau.org or JewInTheCity.com, you'll see
- 12:52Speaker 2: a banner ad to buy tickets.
- 12:54Speaker 5: Look up Jewish Media Awards. We'll be on the Internet.
- 12:57Speaker 5: We still have a few tickets left. We would love
- 12:59Speaker 5: to see you there.
- 13:00Speaker 3: Awesome. Are you rooting for Bibi today?
- 13:02Speaker 2: I am.
- 13:02Speaker 1: Or do you not keep up with the Israeli elections?
- 13:04Speaker 5: I'm not really keeping up with the Israeli elections.
- 13:06Speaker 3: That means you like Eisenkot.
- 13:09Speaker 5: I'm rooting for peace. I'm rooting for peace for the
- 13:11Speaker 5: Jewish people. Peace and strength.
- 13:12Speaker 1: I love that.
- 13:13Speaker 3: You are terrific.
- 13:14Speaker 1: You really are. It's great to see you. You're doing
- 13:16Speaker 1: amazing work. Amazing work.
- 13:17Speaker 3: I'm proud of you.
- 13:18Speaker 1: Thank you.
- 13:19Speaker 3: All right.
- 13:19Speaker 1: Allison Joseph's right there, Jew in the City. Make sure
- 13:22Speaker 1: you come to Lincoln Center Thursday night, November the 5th.
- 13:25Speaker 1: Enjoy what sounds like a wonderful night. I've been there
- 13:27Speaker 1: for wonderful events. These are getting better every single year.
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