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Never Trust a Group Chat · College Football with Stugotz & The Bear

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  Speaker 1: College football with Stu Gatz and the Bear.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, everyone knows the exact right time to
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  Speaker 2: start a college football show is week four of the
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  Speaker 2: college football season.
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  Speaker 1: There's T-Bob again.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. Special guests. Glad to be back, guys. Love
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  Speaker 3: coming to hang out with Stu Gatz and the Bear.
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  Speaker 4: College football.
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  Speaker 1: Mario Cristobal, head coach at the University of Miami. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for joining us.
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  Speaker 4: I just, I don't find any value in... Humans, like,
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  Speaker 4: just spewing diarrhea out of their mouth. With Stu Gotts.
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  Speaker 4: I can give a rat's fat ass about what he
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  Speaker 4: says or does. And the Bear. The Bear is awesome.
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  Speaker 5: You're listening to College Football with Stu Gotts and the Bear.
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  Speaker 2: It is College Football with Stu Gotts and Bear. We're
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  Speaker 2: headed into a big week six, and look who's here.
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  Speaker 4: It's D-Bob.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll get to him in just a second.
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  Speaker 4: Bear, I was laughing.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking right before we started here.
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  Speaker 2: About the Mario Cristobal interview that we did yesterday. And
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  Speaker 2: T-Bob was commenting on what a hard-ass Mario Cristobal is.
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  Speaker 2: And I was saying, that's Mario Cristobal wacky. That's as
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  Speaker 2: wacky as.
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  Speaker 4: I've ever heard. Mario Cristobal on the air. He really
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  Speaker 4: came out of his shell. I was going to say,
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  Speaker 4: we did such a great job schmoozing him and putting
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  Speaker 4: him in a complete comfort zone that we were able
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  Speaker 4: to get some laughs and some yucks and Some talking
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  Speaker 4: about cracks in the pavement in Miami and coffee places. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he was good. Now, I'll say this.
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  Speaker 3: I said that dude's just like, he's just like, he's
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  Speaker 3: a no-nonsense guy. But to be fair to him, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to be misconstrued here. I've done a lot
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  Speaker 3: of very boring interviews with coaches, right? Where they're just
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  Speaker 3: not saying anything of interest. They clearly don't want to
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  Speaker 3: be there. Mario was not that. His kind of baseline
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  Speaker 3: is like, no nonsense, just football and kicking ass and
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  Speaker 3: working hard. But you can be funny from that baseline.
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  Speaker 4: And he was. He was open, sincere. But his baseline
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  Speaker 4: is just like.
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  Speaker 3: One of the most tough, kind of badass exteriors that
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  Speaker 3: I've ever talked to.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Made a fan out of me. How about getting
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  Speaker 4: into the First Amendment? Talking about culture, Constitution, and the Canes.
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  Speaker 2: The three Cs. Yes, the one thing I noticed, though,
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  Speaker 2: during that interview, Mikey A., was that T-Bob did not
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  Speaker 2: call him Christofraud.
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  Speaker 1: I mean... No.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, dude.
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  Speaker 1: No, dude.
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  Speaker 3: I said I talked a lot of shit and I
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  Speaker 3: thought about doing the Chris Fraud line, but he intimidated
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  Speaker 3: me out of it within like the first five minutes
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  Speaker 3: of the interview.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, no, I don't know. I've known Mario
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  Speaker 2: for two decades. I was sweating during that interview.
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  Speaker 4: You would have done it to Lincoln Riley. You would
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  Speaker 4: have done it to Lincoln. You would have said it
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  Speaker 4: to Lincoln Riley.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah. I would love.
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  Speaker 3: I would love to go to a Miami Tuesday practice.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I bet you it is violent out there.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Like in a day and age where we worry about
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  Speaker 3: the direction of the game, losing its soul, losing its edge. No,
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  Speaker 3: I bet you Miami Tuesday practice is bloody.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Mario is the gatekeeper. He's the gatekeeper of old school.
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  Speaker 1: He is.
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  Speaker 4: He really is.
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday during a bye week. It would be just as intense,
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  Speaker 1: by the way.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 4: It's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: T-Bob.
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  Speaker 1: So we have a big week six coming up. We
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  Speaker 1: have Alabama. We have Georgia. The more things change, the
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  Speaker 1: more they stay the same.
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  Speaker 2: There is some weather to factor into this equation, but
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  Speaker 2: take it away as we head into a big week
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  Speaker 2: six here.
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  Speaker 3: Stu Gottsper, thanks for having me back in, guys. Love
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  Speaker 3: getting to hang out here with the whole family.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. So I want to get into a couple of
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  Speaker 3: storylines before we get into some of this weekend's game,
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  Speaker 3: but we do have a great slate coming up this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Chalk full of narratives and storyline. These are stuff we love.
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  Speaker 3: as college football fans. But coming out of last week,
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  Speaker 3: imagine this. There's drama in Ann Arbor. So after the
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  Speaker 3: loss last week, tight end Zach Marshall hops in a
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  Speaker 3: group text. Now, unfortunately, I have gotten to the age
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  Speaker 3: where I'm not entirely clear which app the screenshots are
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  Speaker 3: coming from. It looks like maybe Instagram, if I had
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  Speaker 3: to guess.
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  Speaker 4: Potentially Snapchat. But the point is, he's in a group message.
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  Speaker 3: And he's ripping on the Michigan coaches, specifically OC Jason Beck,
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  Speaker 3: talking about how they don't know what they're doing. He
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  Speaker 3: told the tight ends there's no value in the room.
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  Speaker 4: St.
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  Speaker 3: Bryce Underwood's not the problem. It's the coaches, right? He
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  Speaker 3: even signs off with, I never said this. Do not
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  Speaker 3: share this anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And then, of course, somebody in the group text ends
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  Speaker 3: up sharing all the screenshots on social media. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: He needs to learn the invisible ink a little bit on–
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  Speaker 4: on an iPhone on text.
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  Speaker 2: He needs to learn that when you end the group
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  Speaker 2: text by saying this doesn't leave the group text, it's
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  Speaker 2: leaving the fucking group text.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he needs to learn.
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  Speaker 4: That too.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be clear about this. Whoever leaked it, you're a scumbag.
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  Speaker 3: That's betrayal of friendship.
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  Speaker 4: That sucks. Whatever.
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  Speaker 3: That said, oh, and by the way, Zach did, he
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  Speaker 3: ends up having to come out and apologize for He
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  Speaker 3: written letter. He says, you know, last weekend at the
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  Speaker 3: hours after we lost, I made some inappropriate comments that
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  Speaker 3: I regret and blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 4: What a loss to the team. Yeah, exactly. So that's
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  Speaker 4: what I want to get.
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  Speaker 3: Like, this is how players talk. And, and, and, and, and,
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  Speaker 3: and to be fair, like if I reach back into
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  Speaker 3: my own experience at a college football locker room, we
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  Speaker 3: used to talk about Les Miles like this quite a bit, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like we were winning in spite of him instead of
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  Speaker 3: because of him.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: That said, with older age, I've maybe softened that a bit, right?
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  Speaker 3: And you're like, well, I mean, look at the coach, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: The point is, though, Jason Beck is getting a free
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  Speaker 3: pass pair. We rip Bryce Underwood to shreds every single week.
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  Speaker 3: Jason Beck is the highest paid offensive coordinator in the
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  Speaker 3: entire country who is currently at the head of maybe
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  Speaker 3: the worst offense in the entire country.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. What is it? One 20 yard run. I think
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  Speaker 4: they have so far this year, the running is not existence.
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  Speaker 4: And it's one thing. And Joel Klatt was talking about
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  Speaker 4: this on the broadcast the other day about how you
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  Speaker 4: look at the parts of the Michigan offense and they
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  Speaker 4: just don't seem to mesh what Jason Beck wants to do. Now,
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  Speaker 4: Is it that or is it Jason Beck not really
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  Speaker 4: being willing to mold his offense, the personnel that he has?
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  Speaker 4: But if you look at the offensive line that they
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  Speaker 4: have at Michigan compared to the offensive line that they
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  Speaker 4: had at Utah and the way those guys at Utah
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  Speaker 4: moved and shifted and were able to go kind of
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  Speaker 4: side to side compared with Michigan, but straight ahead kind
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  Speaker 4: of power run game tackle, there could be some truth
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  Speaker 4: to that. There certainly is, but this is clearly– a
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  Speaker 4: situation where they just have to get through this year.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if a bowl game is in the
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  Speaker 4: cards for Michigan this year. They're probably going to lose
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  Speaker 4: to Oregon. They're going to lose to Ohio State. And
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  Speaker 4: UCLA might go there and beat them. And that puts
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  Speaker 4: a 6-6 ceiling.
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  Speaker 2: On them year one. Yes, it feels like they're losing
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  Speaker 2: the bye week here. I have them at 3-3 right now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and really 3-3 with the caveat that it's truly 2-4.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Because of West Michigan. T-Bob Bear. Are you on Telegram, T-Bob?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, no.
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  Speaker 4: Is that a messaging app? Did I buy drugs? Did
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  Speaker 4: I buy drugs? I don't know. Why? No, it's a
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  Speaker 4: good encrypted one that you might want to.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of sensitive information is thrown around on Telegram.
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  Speaker 1: Did I buy drugs?
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  Speaker 4: I think....
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  Speaker 3: I think that's maybe how me and one of my
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  Speaker 3: friends of the past used to communicate for such things.
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  Speaker 2: I have a question for both of you. Is this
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  Speaker 2: the fastest a coach has ever lost a locker room?
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham in Michigan?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's damn near, man.
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  Speaker 3: Again, I, I, it's, he looks to be kind of
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  Speaker 3: over his head a little bit and I'm probably reading
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  Speaker 3: too much in it. And so much of this is
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  Speaker 3: results based. But again, we've talked about on the show, like,
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  Speaker 3: When he's at Utah, he's a god.
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  Speaker 4: He's a king.
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  Speaker 3: And granted, they want him out of there, but still,
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  Speaker 3: people are always pleased with him. The expectation is just
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  Speaker 3: so much different at Michigan. And Bear, you hit the
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  Speaker 3: nail on the head, and this is my biggest problem
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  Speaker 3: with Beck.
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  Speaker 4: Like you said.
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  Speaker 3: He wants to run the same thing he was running
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  Speaker 3: at Utah, this sort of horizontally attacking rushing game, but
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't have the dogs for it. Like, it may
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  Speaker 3: sound like a funny sentence, but you don't have Caleb
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  Speaker 3: Lomu and Spencer Franeau.
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  Speaker 4: Like, at Michigan, you don't have the tackles you had
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  Speaker 4: at Utah, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like, Michigan's success last year, where they were one of
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  Speaker 3: the better rushing teams in the entire country, it was
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  Speaker 3: all downhill, it was in the middle, and great coaches–
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  Speaker 3: especially now this is like accepted. I almost think it's
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  Speaker 3: like inherent truth. Great coaches in the modern age will
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  Speaker 3: always adapt their system, their play callings to highlight their
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  Speaker 3: personnel strengths. It does not appear like Beck is doing that.
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  Speaker 3: And that's a mistake that I thought we were well
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  Speaker 3: past this sort of my way or the highway approach.
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  Speaker 3: And again, the thing that makes it even crazier is
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  Speaker 3: for all the crap we've talked about Underwood. He's not
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  Speaker 3: the highest paid quarterback in the entire country. Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he got the big deal out of high school, but
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  Speaker 3: Mensah makes more. Like, there's tons of quarterbacks, probably like 20.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Damn near that make more money than Bryce Underwood.
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  Speaker 3: Jason Beck is the highest paid OC in the country,
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  Speaker 3: turning in the worst results.
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  Speaker 4: He has to figure it out, or he's got to
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  Speaker 4: get out of there.
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  Speaker 2: Why should it be any different, okay, in college, especially
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  Speaker 2: with all the money being thrown around, than it is
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  Speaker 2: now in the NFL in terms of coaches and having
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  Speaker 2: a short leash?
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  Speaker 1: I understand a fan base.
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  Speaker 2: Who prides itself on its football team, on its programs,
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  Speaker 2: being upset because they don't like how this looks for Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: And they want people fired, and I understand that. They're
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  Speaker 2: spending money. They're spending money on tickets. They're spending money
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  Speaker 2: in terms of going to the games. They're spending quality
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  Speaker 2: time away from things they probably should be doing that
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  Speaker 2: are more important. going and supporting Michigan football. And if
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  Speaker 2: they want an OC and a coach out, I don't
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  Speaker 2: blame them. In this day and age, I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: If it's two weeks, three weeks, five weeks, a year,
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  Speaker 2: two years, it doesn't matter. If you're not happy with
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  Speaker 2: the product on the field, you're going to hear from
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  Speaker 2: the fans.
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  Speaker 4: So what? And especially, like, you look at the people
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  Speaker 4: supporting the pay-for-play and the NIL, like, the money aspect
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  Speaker 4: of it. Like, the only, like, the attachment they have
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  Speaker 4: after eight years of $ 8 million, it's the emotional attachment
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  Speaker 4: of rooting for them. So if it's not bringing them joy,
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  Speaker 4: if it's not bringing them pleasure, watching Michigan football right now, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they got a right to be upset.
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  Speaker 2: My apologies for not knowing this, but can any student,
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  Speaker 2: any alum, can they donate to the NIL collective?
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  Speaker 1: Can they do that?
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  Speaker 2: So now you have fans who are actually giving their
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  Speaker 2: own money to a collective to go get good players,
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  Speaker 2: and of course they're going to be upset if the
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  Speaker 2: coaches and players aren't good.
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  Speaker 3: I stumbled upon a philosophical... Well, maybe not philosophical, but
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  Speaker 3: I'll be interested to see how the market plays this out, right?
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  Speaker 3: Because one of the reasons why... Stu, people are hung
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  Speaker 3: up on making decisions like that is because the coaching buyouts, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Head coaching buyouts are insane.
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  Speaker 3: It's a cottage industry that the shadow Lord of college football,
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  Speaker 3: Jimmy Sexton has created more power to him.
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  Speaker 4: It's unbelievable. But, but, but, but bear to me in.
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  Speaker 3: The past, Buyout culture was always rooted in the idea
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  Speaker 3: that in order to win at recruiting, you needed to
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  Speaker 3: have the recruits feel like, okay, this guy's going to
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  Speaker 3: be here. And that was kind of the core tenet, right?
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  Speaker 3: I need long-term security so I can sell long-term security
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  Speaker 3: to my recruits. That has never been more irrelevant than
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  Speaker 3: right now. The kids will leave way faster than Coach.
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  Speaker 4: They'll go everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: People bounce around 24-7. So I just wonder, Bear, is
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  Speaker 3: there a world where we see this buyout market go away?
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  Speaker 3: Because I don't know how you justify it right now.
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  Speaker 3: Or maybe we're just too far gone. I can only
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  Speaker 3: hope that that's the case. The Sexton buyout clauses and
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  Speaker 3: him leveraging guys.
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  Speaker 4: Against each other for jobs and putting room. Like you
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  Speaker 4: talk about a kind of industry, just like you said,
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  Speaker 4: it's been ridiculous. But I think we're seeing that now
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  Speaker 4: where something has to go away in the finances of
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  Speaker 4: building a college football team. Yes. The coaching buyout is
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  Speaker 4: probably the easiest one to get rid of because– You
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  Speaker 4: need money for players like Florida state, what they're going
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  Speaker 4: through right now, redoing their stadium. And they don't have
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  Speaker 4: the money to buy out Mike Norvell, which they want to.
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  Speaker 4: And who knows, maybe Mike Norvell and Florida state win
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  Speaker 4: Friday night at Louisville. And they're headed into the Miami
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  Speaker 4: game with a little bit of momentum, but, but, but
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  Speaker 4: I think there needs to be a little bit more
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  Speaker 4: of a judicious look at where you're allocating your resources,
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  Speaker 4: because paying players and getting talent and play is the
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  Speaker 4: way to win right now. And, you bring in guys
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  Speaker 4: and they're going to be maybe attached to a coach
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  Speaker 4: and they might leave, but yeah, you need to figure
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  Speaker 4: out a way to kind of lessen the financial strain
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  Speaker 4: on potentially making a positive change in your, in your
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  Speaker 4: football program. Well, it's not just Florida state.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, word out of South Carolina is that the
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  Speaker 3: Gamecocks might be in the same boat with Shane Beamer.
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  Speaker 4: They're just like, dude, we just don't.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, even if we wanted to, it just doesn't
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  Speaker 3: make financial sense at this point. So, Uh, again, I, I,
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  Speaker 3: I hope that that starts to write itself a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: but don't forget Michigan has failed to score 20 points
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  Speaker 3: in five of the first six games.
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  Speaker 1: It's got off.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Now, uh, let's get to some of the games this
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  Speaker 3: week because we got the big one, as you said, Stu.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: If you're a fan of Led Zeppelin, the song remains
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  Speaker 3: the same. You look up and what do you know?
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  Speaker 3: It's Georgia at Alabama. A couple of gods doing battle
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  Speaker 3: in the sky as us mere mortals watch upon from
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  Speaker 3: the shores. This is like China and U.S. going to
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  Speaker 3: full nuclear war. Superpowers of our age going toe to toe. Bear,
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  Speaker 3: what's your early read on this one?
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  Speaker 4: My early read is clearly weather-dependent. I wonder if rain
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  Speaker 4: and bad weather may be kind of a thing that
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  Speaker 4: helps Georgia in this game. I'm not sure Alabama is
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  Speaker 4: as stout in the trenches and stopping the run. If
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  Speaker 4: it becomes a game where you're looking at Georgia and
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  Speaker 4: it's going to be primarily placed on the ground, it
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  Speaker 4: might favor Georgia. However, the flip, and not to dance
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  Speaker 4: around the answer to the question, is... Maybe that helps
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  Speaker 4: Keelan Russell in his run game and Georgia chasing him
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  Speaker 4: around a sloppy field could be a problem as well.
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  Speaker 4: But ultimately I think Georgia up front is going to
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  Speaker 4: be by far the best team that Alabama has faced
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  Speaker 4: so far. Georgia getting points at this game, I think
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  Speaker 4: is very attractive to me. It's amazing. You look at
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  Speaker 4: what Georgia has done throughout the last however many years
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  Speaker 4: and yeah, they've had their highs and winning SEC titles
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  Speaker 4: and national championships and tons of great NFL players. Alabama
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  Speaker 4: has been their kryptonite, man. Ending a 40-something game regular
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  Speaker 4: season win streak a couple years ago, a 33-game home
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  Speaker 4: winning streak last year, then Bama got annihilated in the
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  Speaker 4: SEC Championship game, so a little bit of revenge for Georgia.
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  Speaker 4: Feels like I think Georgia ultimately could be the best
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  Speaker 4: team in the country. Alabama has been fantastic so far,
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  Speaker 4: and beating four powerful teams, and Russell looks great, and
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  Speaker 4: the receivers look good again. I still have a couple
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  Speaker 4: of questions about their defense, and I wonder if Georgia
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  Speaker 4: might be the team on Saturday night to finally expose them.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: T-Bob, I've heard a lot of people say that in
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. They feel like top to bottom,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Georgia is the best team in the country.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Do you agree with that?
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's really the only reason where you
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: would maybe give some pushbook up to this point is
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: that they haven't played the hardest schedule.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, everybody that they've played, and maybe there's
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: a little bit to be said about Oklahoma, but they've
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: dog-walked them.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: Like, they've looked... they look damn near perfect. Yeah. I mean,
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: trophy winner, John Mateer. Yeah.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And we'll get to material because Oklahoma's got the
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: red river coming up this weekend. So I was looking
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: just to like ranks, you know, within conferences to see
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: where these two teams are.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: And they're both elite.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: They're both basically one and two in, in, in, in
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: almost everything. However, bear you did hit on maybe one
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: of the biggest areas of separations. And one of the
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: question marks was, that I would have here, which is
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: when Alabama is on offense, They have once again struggled
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: a bit with giving up negative plays, with allowing people
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: into that backfield, creating sacks, creating TFLs. Georgia's been damn
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: near perfect in that regard. But now they've overcome it,
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: because look at the third and 19 against Mississippi State.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Keelan Russell's incredible. He can make explosive plays. But I
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: don't think you're going to be able to do that
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: against this Georgia defense, who another area of separation, Georgia
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: is the best by far at the conference at preventing
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: explosive plays. forcing everything underneath, while Alabama, on the other hand,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: that's been a bit leaky for them. So that's something
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: to watch coming up this week. And I have a
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: question for you all about Georgia. You look at Kirby Smart.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: When he takes over and then he wins those national championships,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: it appeared at that time, that this was the heir
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: to the throne, right? That we were going to trade
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: one empire for another and that he was going to
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: rip off national championships at a rate that Nick Saban did. Now,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: he hasn't done that. And you can say, oh, well,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: it's because the sport changed underneath him, around him. And
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I think that is true. However, I think there's another
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: element here. And that is Todd Munkin and Stetson Bennett.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: When you look at when Georgia finally got over the hump,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Munkin and Stetson Bennett were as powerful of a combination
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: as we have ever seen in college football when it
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: came to big games specifically, playoffs, national championships. They always
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: showed up. They always balled out. Look what Munkin's gone
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: on to do. He was great at Southern Miss. He
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: was excellent with Lamar. He's now got the Browns sitting
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: at 3-1. Like, you go from Munkin to Bobo, it's
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: never been as good. And for all the talent you've
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: had at quarterback, nobody ever did it like that walk-on
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: kid that never should have been able to. So, like,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I think there's some more to be said about it's
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: not just the sport changing around Georgia where they haven't
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: managed to occupy the heights. Like, maybe Smart never was
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: fully Saban, just 90% of him.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: No, his staff has clearly been fantastic. And I remember
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: having a conversation with Kirby last year, and I think
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: I phrased it like, who is your all-time favorite player
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: or the one player that you wish you could have
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: on your team this year or every year? And Brock Bowers,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: I think, he's like all of them. But Brock Bowers,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: just because I like having fantastic players, I think You
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: mentioned Bobo and Bunkin and Stetson. I think the impact
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: that Bowers had on that team. And that's probably the
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: reason why they didn't win three straight national titles. It's
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: because Bowers got hurt in that 24 season, was it? Yeah.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: And then did not get back to the playoff that year.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: So they lost to Alabama in the SEC Championship, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: they should have been in the playoff, but they weren't.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Long story, but... But I think the importance of Bowers
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: to that team is really hurt the passing attack. You
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: look at the last couple of years, the ability to
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: stretch the ball downfield hasn't been there. It's been a
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: little bit. better this year with some of the young
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: kids that they have, and we'll see what happens on
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Saturday night.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about Kalen DeBoer in a second,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: but T-Bob, just so we're clear on what it is
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: you're saying here, is it time to start questioning Kirby Smart?
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying? I mean, because we haven't
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: seen the results we thought we were going to see?
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: I guess, I think what I'm saying more so. He's
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: won the SEC title the last two years. Listen, I
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: didn't ask you. I asked him.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: He's being judged against an impossible bar here. He's being
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: judged against the Saban bar, right? But it's because it
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: looked so clear that he was going to be that guy.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: He's still an incredible coach. And I'm not, look, Kirby
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Smart's still a top-tier coach, but the bottom line is
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: between the sport changing around him and him continuing to
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: stick with.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Bobo for better or worse.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: It's kind of Georgia fans, that's their patsy, their scapegoat,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: that's who they blame everything on. There might be something
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: there when you look at what's happened to the offense
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: since Munkin. Now, last year, they were anemic when it
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: came to explosive plays. They're very efficient, fundamental. They have
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: improved there this year. And I wonder, again, if that's
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: going to be the difference in this game, Georgia's ability
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: to be explosive against Alabama's defense and Georgia's ability to
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: stop Alabama from being explosive when they're on offense.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Bear, now I'll ask you.
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: That was incredibly rude of me. Now I'll ask you, Bear.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Go ahead. Take it away. I'll jump in whenever the
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: hell I want. My name's on the pod. Your name's
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: on the... T-Bob's just a guest. He's a weekly swinging
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: door guy who comes in and out.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I was trying not to be rude to our guests.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: That's what I was trying to do.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. You're right. I should be more welcoming and
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: more open to people who are donating and generous with
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: their time to join us each week here. There are
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: people that I'll tell you that... Kirby's the reason why
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Bobo has been so conservative on offense and they really
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: haven't stretched the field. There are people out there that
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: want to blame Bobo, but there are some out there
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: that think it's Kirby's cloud and knowing that he can
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: win with his defense and win the surest way, don't
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: turn the ball over, punt, field position, all of that.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: They're better when they just go balls to the wall.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: and just let letter. If I can remember the, the
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Kirby interview on the sideline before that, uh, championship game
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago in TCU, when he's dropping
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: all sorts of four letter words. And I'm like, let
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: me dial up the computer right now. Punch up Georgia
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: minus 14 and a half Georgia. Well, whatever it is, bang, repeat, repeat, repeat.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: And the game was over quickly. So let it rip.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Weather's nice. Let it rip. Go out, win the game.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Mikey, I put it on the poll. Is it hard
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: to take a guy seriously when his last name is Bobo?
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough. It's tough, too.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I do want to ask you guys quickly here just
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: about Kalen DeBoer because he's been on the hot seat
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: since he arrived at Alabama. And I'm wondering here, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: they have a tough schedule, man. They played Mississippi State
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: last week. They have, of course, Georgia this week. Then
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: it's at Tennessee, I think. Texas A & M after that, LSU.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: If Kalen DeBoer wins this game against Georgia, if the
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: game is played because the weather is that bad, but
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: if he wins this game, are we done talking about
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Kalen DeBoer being on the hot seat at Alabama, or
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: does he need to do more after winning this game?
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: No, it's– I mean, we mentioned Kirby being judged against
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: an impossible bar, but he's judged against Saban by proxy, right?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Kalen has directly inherited the seat. Yes.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: So, no, unfortunately, I mean, Alabama won a playoff game
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: last year, and everybody acts like it was a failure
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: of a season.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: You're right, yes.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: So, like, this win will be huge, but they did
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: it last year. They beat Georgia, and it didn't make
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: them amazing. Two years in a row they beat them. Obviously,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Nick was a couple years back.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: It's, I mean, it's, it's, I, I believe what Kayla
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: DeBoer is two and one against Kirby smart, right? So
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: the only smart is 60 and five in the sec
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: DeBoer is 12 and four, but he's winning this series.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: All right. This is fascinating.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: So the only way that conversation stops happening is if
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Kayla and the board not only beats Georgia, but runs
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the table and plays in a national championship game, wins
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: a national championship.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Like where do we draw the line here?
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, he did. I mean, I know it was Washington,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: but he did play for a national championship out there. And,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: I think the perception of what happened last year at
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Alabama is the issue. You got completely embarrassed in the
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: SEC championship game against Georgia. You were inept on offense.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: And then against Indiana in the Ruiz Bowl, you just
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: went out. And I don't want to throw the Q
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: word out there, but. Indiana just manhandled them and looked
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: like they enjoyed doing it, and they sent a message,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: and it was not the Alabama that we were used
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: to seeing. I think this year's Alabama team reminds me
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: a little bit of some of those good Washington teams
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: he had with Panics and his ability to get the
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: ball out to all the weapons that potentially had. Obviously,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Panics wasn't a great runner, but I think, Mikey, I
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: think that this Alabama team reminds me A little bit
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: more of maybe Kalen DeBoer having some of the pieces
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: that he feels a little bit more comfortable with this year.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: I would just say if Alabama got to the championship
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: game and lost, the only thing that would happen is
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Kalen DeBoer would get the moniker of somebody who can't do.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: It in the championship game.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: Because he would be 0-2 and the people in Alabama
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: would constantly be reminding.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Him of that.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: That is kind of funny.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: It might actually be better for Kayla DeBoer to get to, like,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: the final four. Then he's threading the needle perfectly, and
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: it's like, okay, yeah, step forward. The first Kayla DeBoer
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: team goes to a final four. Like, okay, we can
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: believe in this guy once again.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: So, T-Bob, are you a Dreamland guy, or are you
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: an Ultra Bold guy? Are we talking barbecue? Of course
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: we are. I gotta be honest, man.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Um, I lived in Louisiana for too long and in
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: the boot, we are not known for our barbecue. I've
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: never eaten at Archibald's. I used to really enjoy dreamland
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: back in the day. So kind of by default, I'd
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: have to answer dreamland.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: You, you, you, you never knew you and you in
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: the hat or never snuck out to Archibald's on a, uh,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Friday and T-Town? No, no, no.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: The less amount of time that I could spend in Tuscaloosa,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: that rat hole shit city, the better for me.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Guys, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Now that said, no,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: I'm not really kidding. I hate Alabama.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: That said, this is going to be tough because now
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: nobody's going to take my prediction seriously.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I think this is a very good game. Well, it's
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: soaked in bias.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Why would they?
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I think home field advantage evens this game out a bit.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: But I think this Georgia team is a bit too fundamental,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: a bit too complete.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: On the line.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: And I think it is on the line where they
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: have the slightest of edges and they'll slightly outclass them.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Kind of like the composure and experience of Gunnar Stockton here.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Give me Georgia on the road in a very close game,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: like a three-point win.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Agreed. We are in agreement there. Georgia gets the road win.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: I'm with you. All the same reasons.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I feel awful. I've never felt worse about liking Alabama.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: No, that's probably good. It's like the graphic at the
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: bottom of the screen where it's like all the same logos. Logo, logo, logo, logo, logo, logo.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: And then you put the final score up and it's
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: the one that wasn't picked.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Well, not only that, but Georgia's been favored the last
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: six times in these games and Alabama's won four.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Right. Now, Georgia is favored this one. Dog, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Georgia's the dog. Yeah, bam, they're finally favored once again.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: All right, so let's go take a quick break. When
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: we get back, we still got Red River rivalry. More
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: college football with Stu Gatz and the Bear next. All right.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Welcome back. College football show. It's you got the bear.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Next list, guys.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I'm actually getting to cross off a college football bucket
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: list thing this weekend. Work is sending me down to Texas.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I'm heading to the state fair for the Red River rivalry.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: I can't wait.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma, Texas. It's going to be fantastic. I hope we
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: get a good game. Unfortunately, it does appear that one
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: team is markedly better than the other. I got an
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: avenue of hope to give Sooner fans, but Bear, what's
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: your read on Arch going against his Sooner defense?
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: I'm just hoping to see them play a complete game,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: fundamentally sound, no penalties, just kind of a clean game.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: We haven't seen that really from Texas in the offense
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: so far. And you talk about just a complete embarrassment,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: like if you're ever going to bounce back in pride
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: off of what Oklahoma showed us in that game against Georgia.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: That was just a terrible, terrible effort. The game was
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: over quickly. Mistakes, turnovers, Mateer looked on Arbuckle. Again, it's
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: kind of like the Jason Beck Underwood type of deal there.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Arbuckle should be taking a little bit more heat, I think,
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: than he is for sure. I know Mateer was his guy,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: his previous stop as well, but they look lost right now.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: defensively you would assume that they would be a little
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: bit better. I think that was a terrible spot for
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: them on the road in Georgia. It would not surprise
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: me to see Oklahoma hang around a little bit in
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: this game just because I still can't get there with Texas.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: It's a mental block that I have. I just see
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: penalties in the wrong time. Defensively, they're awesome. It feels
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: like kind of a very low-scoring game. If I were
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: looking here, which I think would favor kind of Oklahoma
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: hanging around, the big favorite, number one in a tighter
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: than expected game. We'll see ultimately how that plays out.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: But enjoy the Texas State Fair, man. Walk around, take
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: that all in. Get yourself a corny dog and whatever
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: other fried things that they're throwing in the fryer. Snickers, Oreos.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: He's been to all these games. He has been to
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: all these games. Who got the Alabama assignment? Because so
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: big cat is sending you to the.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Texas State Fair.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Who drew Alabama and Georgia?
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's a good question. I'm not sure. But
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I would, you know, to be fair.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I would rather go to the Red River game. Because, again,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: the pomp and circumstance, even if the game's not good,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: being at the fair, the 50-50.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Crowd, what it's like.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: I'm going to have a cowboy hat, boots, belt buckle.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be all in, cosplaying like I'm a cowboy.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I can't wait.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: You're going to go.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Like Jorts and wife beater as well? No, no, no.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: I saved that for Gainesville. Okay.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Plus, there's no hurricane coming to Austin as well.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: We're going to see Mincy stranded in Tuscaloosa doing weather
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: channel updates.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Bear, don't you think your lack of confidence in Texas
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: stems from one thing? Every week you tune in expecting
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to see a Manning play quarterback. And it's not really
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: a Manning playing quarterback, you know?
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Cooper's kid. It's not Eli's kid.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying he hasn't been good enough. We expected great,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and he hasn't been great.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: That's all. No, he hasn't. Correct. Yes. You're right. The
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: expectations placed on this kid were through the roof, right
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: or wrong. And he played at a small... I mean... T-Bob,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: you're familiar with the level of competition that he played
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: with in high school. It wasn't necessarily the greatest competition
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: to get him ready to be able to play right
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: out of there, right? But no, yes, you're correct.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: But here's the other side of that coin is he's
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: now 5-1 against the last six top ten opponents that
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: he's faced. including a 20-point comeback against Ohio State, who
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: may be the first or second-best team in the country
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: when this thing is all said and done. Like, I
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: understand on a play-to-play basis he maybe hasn't been great,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: but we almost focus on that so much that we
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: take away from Texas as a whole.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: And the bottom line is Texas is still a championship-caliber team,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: and it starts with the defense. And so if you're
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: telling me, like, I don't need him to be full
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Peyton or Eli. If he could just be Arch, which
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: he has been, I believe his career has trended in
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: a direction where he's more than capable of winning a
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: national championship. And last year, this Texas defense had John
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Mateer in hell. They picked him three times. They sacked
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: him five. Colin Simmons, it'll never happen, but... He should
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: maybe be in the discussion with Jeremiah Smith as like
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: a potential Heisman winner with how good he's played this year.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: So I've never sold my arch stock. I still believe
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: in Texas. But there is one interesting point here, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: that is the turnovers. And I know this is cliche,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: but every now and then there's a game where it
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: rings more true than others. Right now Oklahoma is dead
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: last in the conference turnover margin.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: They're awful.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Go look at the Georgia box score. You see the
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: final score, 41-13. Terrible, right? However, they lost the turnover
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: battle 4-0. If you look at Gunnar Stockton's stats, he
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: was very pedestrian. If you look at the entire box score,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: they're completely even statistically, except for turnover. So there's a
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: world out here. Because Arch is not a world beater.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: where if Oklahoma takes care of the ball, Bear, this
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: could be like some sort of 16-13 battle that, as
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: you said, would at least give Oklahoma that puncher's chance
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: of creating an upset that it doesn't look like they
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: have a great opportunity to do so.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: It totally will, because if you look at Oklahoma's offense,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: the way they've been this year, they're like dead last
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: in so many things, but Texas is very, very middling,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: so it's not like... maybe the defense will be good
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: enough to just completely suffocate. Um, Oh, you, but wouldn't
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: surprise me. How about the 25th anniversary of Roy Williams
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: playing Superman and that 2001 Red River game and, uh, the,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: the tip and layman in the end zone, another, give me,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: give us a nice 14, three type game again. That
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: would be great. Uh, yeah, I just, I just want
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: a good game. I would love to get to see one.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: We'll see that said, uh, What I'm asking for, I
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: had to really extend myself and do a lot of
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: mental gymnastics to get Oklahoma into that competitive scenario. I
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: think it's more likely than not that Arch actually shows up,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: goes double birds to all you, and I think that
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Texas handles Oklahoma.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Colin Simmons watered the grass again?
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did find that interesting because you said— Texas
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: gets you close, but you can't quite get there. I mean,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: if Colin Simmons can't get you there, Bear, I don't know.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if anybody's going to be
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: able to. Not even Rasputin.
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: A second Rasputin reference.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: It's a good run. We've been talking about the Constitution
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: with Mario. We've been talking about Rasputin. We get a
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: little of everything. Speaking of great runs, you, my friend, Bear,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: you're on a great run.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I am telling you, Mikey, he is on fire.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: We've been doing this with Bear, not this show, but
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: having Bear on for years, and I feel like this
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: is the best year he's ever had. So with that
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: being said, I don't want to break up how we
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: did it last week because it worked.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: So metal stand of picks here from the Bear, bronze, silver, gold,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: headed into a big week six.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: What do you got for us?
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Bronze, I'm going to give you Akron. Plus, uh, I
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: believe it's six and a half against Eastern Michigan. Yes. Games.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Listen, bear, bear takes games. You would never even look at,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: or even think about looking at, I mean, how about that?
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Akron and Eastern Michigan and Eastern Michigan is one of
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: my team, Chris Creighton and, uh, that, and, uh, That staff,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: they got a big win last week.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Sneaky talent.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: And now they're a little bit in the role of
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: a favorite against Akron, who might not– here's a rigging endorsement.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Akron might not be terrible. That might be– A real
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: reason to play the Zips here.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: They'll take it.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Getting six and a half here. Give me Akron plus
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: the points on the bronze level. Silver medal, I'm going
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: to go UCF.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: The Knight-Scott-Frost team getting 10 at Oklahoma State. They played
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: well last week against Houston. Nearly pulled an upset on
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: the road. They played in a terrible weather situation at
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Pitt earlier in the year. Nearly beat Pitt. double digits,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: but I think Oklahoma state is good, but that might
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: be a few too many points. And then gold medal play. Ooh,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: give me Indiana. I'm laying the seven and a half. Wow.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: How can, I mean, they've won what 21 straight games
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: or whatever, whatever the hell it is. They're laying seven
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: and a half here against the Nebraska team. That's lost
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: what 30 in a row against ranked teams rules lost
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: like 20 in a row against ranked teams. They're like,
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: they haven't beaten a top 10 team since, uh, Going back,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I think they're 3-22 against top 10 teams since they
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: played for the national title in 2001. They got to
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: do it in order for me to believe it. In
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Kurt Cignetti, we trust. I laid the points here. They're
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: not going to be too happy, I'm sure, when they
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: see me in Lincoln. How about Cignetti schedules someone? They
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: didn't last year. It didn't matter.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: No, I know.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: I get it. I get it. Separate conversation. I hate it, though.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: I hate it, though.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: He's holding the trophy, Bear, at Indiana.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. I hate that, too.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: So gold medal game, as you said, Bear, Indiana-Nebraska. I
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: got an interesting question for two different games here.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: So you have that one.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: And then you look at UCLA-Oregon, ranked on ranked. UCLA,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: one of the surprises of the Big Ten. I love
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Bill Connolly's work out of ESPN, right? He does fantastic work.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: He has all of his own analytics and whatnot. He
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: assigned his system, spit out percentage numbers on the chance
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: that a team in the Big Ten and the SEC
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: would win 10 games. And right now in the Big Ten,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: it's Indiana, Ohio State, and then immediately afterwards, It's UCLA
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: and Nebraska. I mean, damn near 50% bear. So who
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: do you believe in more, out of UCLA and Nebraska,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: like which team has a better chance of finding their.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Way to 10 wins? And if they do, we would
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: imagine making the college football playoff. I believe it's UCLA.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: You look at a team that average starting field position
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: turnover is down. Their passing attack has not been great.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: They're really going to need Knight to continue running as
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: well as they have, but they're a team that hasn't
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: been hurting themselves with turnovers. They're making the big opportune plays.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Can that stay up? This feels like a game this week.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you've ever, like when you've played
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: or when you've covered games or looked at whatever, this
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: feels either like a game that UCLA wins outright or
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: they lose by 30. It doesn't feel like there's any
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: in between here for the Bruins, but give them a
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: loss this week. We'll play the old Mike and the
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Mad Dog WFA and give them a lost dog game
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: that I used to love listening to. I'm sure Stu
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: did as well, but losing Oregon. Okay. That's a lot.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: And maybe you lose to USC at the end of
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: the year. That's 10 and two. And that's going to
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: put you in the conversation. Like they're going to be
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: favored in all those other games. I think they'll probably
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: be favored in the big house at that point in
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: the year. I think 10 and two is really on the,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: on the radar for you. So I think you still
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: get a really nice price on them to, to make
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: the playoffs. So I am more of a believer in Chesney, UCLA,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: that I certainly am Nebraska right now.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: T-Bob, I'm with Bear because after Oregon, win or lose,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: but if they lose, the schedule really eases up. Nebraska, man,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: it just gets tricky. I mean, it's Indiana, it's Oregon,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: it's Ohio State, it's Iowa. I cannot see Nebraska getting
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: to 10 wins.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, probably not. So on that UCLA-Oregon game, I
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: think in terms of narratives, this might be one of
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: the biggest issues gaps that i've seen in terms of
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: like the disparity of what a win and loss means
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: for each team because oregon's already suffered the early season
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: up at oklahoma state right if they lose this game
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: they're functionally playoff dead not mathematically but functionally right however
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: if they win this game we probably vault them back
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: into the top tier conversation yeah we're like okay they
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: had an early misstep no they're fine they're championship threat
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: on the other hand UCLA has a little bit of
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: a Mississippi State opportunity. Right now, they're existing as a
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: very exciting, very fun story. Bob Chesney doing his Signetti,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Indiana impression at a school that's been destitute for years.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: If they were to win this game, all of a sudden,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: that is a resounding statement to college football that we're
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: not just a cute story. We are legit football. And
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: if they lose, it's something a bit more murky. So
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I cannot wait. This might sneakily be my favorite game
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: of the weekend outside of the Georgia-Alabama heavyweight matchup.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Do you think there's a little bit of maybe question
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: this week about Oregon? I think we all came away
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: super impressed with what they did at USC last But
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: off of what USC did last week against Washington, they
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: were in a game very easily could have lost that.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Are we maybe just kind of like a little hesitancy
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: on Oregon? Like, okay, they beat USC, but kind of
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: maybe there's still some things going on there that maybe
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: the fact that they played USC just kind of messed.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: I'm really, really intrigued. I'm with you, T-Bob. Like this
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: game this week I think is going to tell us
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: a whole lot about both of these teams.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Well, and you look, I mean, there's still the Dylan
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Raiola element, which makes all this crazy. Dante Moore did
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: return to practice. It's unclear who's going to get the
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: start there. Raiola was fantastic against USC when he came in,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: but is that going to be a week-to-week consistency?
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: That remains to be seen.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, and then plus combine that with the Boise game,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Oregon barely won, losing to Oklahoma State. Yeah, they're a
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: hard-to-figure-out team as it stands right now, but this weekend's
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: a great opportunity for them to– clear up the picture
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: a bit.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: There it is, guys.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Get ready for another big weekend here in college football.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: This is the College Football Show with Stu Gatz with
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: the Bear.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: We love you.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Best of luck with all your bets this weekend, and
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: We'll see you next week.