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Thurl Bailey on Utah Jazz picking 2nd in NBA Draft, How long a player stays in Utah important to the draft decision (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the shant Ocdder Show again. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. I'll say thank you man, I appreciate you.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing all right?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I'm excited like everyone else is, about the
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  Speaker 4: goods that Utah Jazz Organization got.
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  Speaker 1: Tee.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard to describe, right. It feels like we're waking
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  Speaker 4: up out of some kind of hibernation.
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  Speaker 5: Everyone understood the score, We all knew what this franchise
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  Speaker 5: had to do in this rebuild, and now it feels like,
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  Speaker 5: all right, we can kind of peel off this old
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  Speaker 5: skin and we can shd it like a snake and
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  Speaker 5: we can now really hope.
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  Speaker 3: For something good and something new.
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  Speaker 4: Is that an accurate description of how this fan base
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  Speaker 4: is feeling in your mind?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty accurate. I mean, we have a
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  Speaker 1: prettiest two fan base, right, and it's it's been a
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  Speaker 1: tough few years to be patient, but I think the
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  Speaker 1: patience has come because there's other things that have developed,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, during that rebuilding process, and it's it
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  Speaker 1: really is the resurgence, or I guess the insurgents are
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  Speaker 1: the develop and of young players, the you know, Keante
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  Speaker 1: George's development into a star player, and the other young
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  Speaker 1: players who are going to fill some important roles, the
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  Speaker 1: acquisition of Trip of Jared Jackson Junior. So I think
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  Speaker 1: I know our fans there's always frustration in there during construction, right,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, when construction's just about complete, almost complete,
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  Speaker 1: you can get a sense of what it looks like
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  Speaker 1: it feels like to be involved in that. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's very exciting. So yeah, I think you put it
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  Speaker 1: in the correct way. But I truly believe that. I
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  Speaker 1: think our fans do, and they can visualize what's coming
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  Speaker 1: really soon and the possibilities of where we could be
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  Speaker 1: this coming season.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel really good about the roster already
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  Speaker 4: even without this. Now we found out the number two
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  Speaker 4: pick that is coming in, and you know, we don't
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  Speaker 4: know who that's going to be yet, we have a
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  Speaker 4: pretty good idea of who's in the running to be
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  Speaker 4: the number two pick here in this upcoming NBA draft,
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  Speaker 4: And of course there's there's an extra layer of conversation
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  Speaker 4: here because one of the top prospects is a guy
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  Speaker 4: that everyone in the state knows very well, played his
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  Speaker 4: high school ball down in southern Utah, played his college
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  Speaker 4: single season at BYU, and has a relationship with some
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  Speaker 4: levels of this organization already in aj Debosa. But the
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  Speaker 4: projection is that, you know, he might be gone with
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  Speaker 4: the number one pick to the Washington Wizards. So then
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  Speaker 4: in comes the conversation about, well, do you try to
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  Speaker 4: move up? I will, I'll try to organize my own
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  Speaker 4: thoughts here. Big T but AJ debonsa as the number
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  Speaker 4: one player in this draft versus Darren Peterson or Cam Boozer.
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  Speaker 4: You've seen all of these guys. Is he the number
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  Speaker 4: one player in the draft for you?
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  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, it's a great draft. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even beyond third pick, it's a pretty deep draft with
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  Speaker 1: some really good players, and you're going to see players
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  Speaker 1: who may not be in that top ten, fifteen, twenty
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  Speaker 1: who are gonna you know, surprise people and rise and
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  Speaker 1: thrive up through that personally, and part of that is
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  Speaker 1: because of you know, we're not too far removed from
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  Speaker 1: what Byu does in the state or any you know,
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  Speaker 1: local school, but in particular the eyes and the and
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  Speaker 1: the focus that's been on AJ. He's a great, great
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  Speaker 1: player in my opinion. Is he the best potentially NBA
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  Speaker 1: ready player in the draft that I've seen? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think he is. I think he has been kind of
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  Speaker 1: groomed for it at BYU. I think when you look
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  Speaker 1: at his usage and you look at the the schemes
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  Speaker 1: in the place that will run for him, they're similarly similar,
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  Speaker 1: if not exactly like what he's going to see wherever
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  Speaker 1: he goes. However, you know, in this draft, it really
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  Speaker 1: is the best player available. And I know any every
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  Speaker 1: team's going to say that, but I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you can. You can't really go wrong sitting whether Jazz
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  Speaker 1: are even if they don't get if they want and
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  Speaker 1: don't get AJ. You know, Darreon Pedterson's a great player.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be a really, really good player. Cam
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  Speaker 1: Boozer as well. It depends on what the Jazz need
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  Speaker 1: and how they see whoever. They're going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to select fits and will hardy schemes. And I'm just excited,
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  Speaker 1: And you're right, even without that pick, I would look
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  Speaker 1: pretty good. But with that second pick, I mean, when
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  Speaker 1: that that lottery pick came in, if I had hair
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  Speaker 1: be standing straight up on my head, man, because I
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  Speaker 1: was so excited.
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  Speaker 4: Well with that, with the roster as it is in mind,
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  Speaker 4: and the assumption that it is going to be one
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  Speaker 4: of the three players that we just talked about that
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  Speaker 4: gets added to at either one through a trade or
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  Speaker 4: at two where you already have that spot most likely
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  Speaker 4: where you end up picking. How quickly does that guy
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  Speaker 4: that top two pick, how quickly does he need to
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  Speaker 4: be contributing given what the Utah Jazz already had I mean,
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  Speaker 4: does he need to be a day one starter in
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  Speaker 4: your mind?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't put that much pressure on him. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying that based on what I've heard Will Hardy
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  Speaker 1: talk about young players in the past. That's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of responsibility, that's that's a lot to throw at a
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  Speaker 1: young player, especially nowadays. These players are coming out at eighteen, nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: twenty years old, and the expectation is for them to
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  Speaker 1: try to on the outside of the locker room, to
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  Speaker 1: try to contribute right away. I'm not sure that's super realistic.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think there there's always a process for
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  Speaker 1: these young players when they land and there's so much
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  Speaker 1: more than the game to get a you know, to
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  Speaker 1: get used to you know, it's a new environment in
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  Speaker 1: some ways, it's a new culture you're landing into. So
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's just a whole new process. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think in particular here, I don't think there's
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  Speaker 1: any expectations to have a guy come in and just
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  Speaker 1: try to throw him in the mix and say this
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  Speaker 1: is what you need to give us this year. I
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  Speaker 1: just don't see it.
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  Speaker 4: Through Bailey's our guests here on the Sean O'Connell Shore
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  Speaker 4: talking about the Utah Jazz getting the number two pick
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  Speaker 4: and the upcoming NBA Draft, where do they go with it? Well,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people have different thoughts. There's going to
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  Speaker 4: be conversation, partially because we've got to fill this next
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  Speaker 4: month with speculation about whether or not somebody's somebody's long
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  Speaker 4: term future with the organization should be brought into consideration
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  Speaker 4: when picking at number two. And it's easy to say, well,
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  Speaker 4: aj Debonsa feels like he'd be more likely to stay
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  Speaker 4: than anyone else because he's already shown that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: he voluntarily spent his college year here, he spent his
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  Speaker 4: high school years in Utah. Obviously, the Boozer family has
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  Speaker 4: a certain familiarity and affection for this state.
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  Speaker 3: Carlos helps out in the front office.
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  Speaker 4: So maybe that's another reason why you could say, well,
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  Speaker 4: this young man is more likely to sign a long
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  Speaker 4: term extension with Utah than like a Darren Peterson who
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  Speaker 4: does not have any obvious connections to the state. Is
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  Speaker 4: that something I've been asking everyone this big tea. Is
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  Speaker 4: that something that the front office should even be weighing
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  Speaker 4: when they're choosing, because whether or not the guy wants
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  Speaker 4: to say long term, you get his first contract, you
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  Speaker 4: get his rookie year out of him, you get his
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  Speaker 4: first few years out of him, and then you obviously
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  Speaker 4: get to cross that bridge when you get to it.
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  Speaker 3: But is that.
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  Speaker 4: Prognostication something the front office should be taking into account
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  Speaker 4: when deciding who to pick at number two.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really see that going on in the war room. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't really see that popping up. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: might be in the minds of folks. I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: probably the easiest place for people to start in their minds,
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  Speaker 1: the proximity, the relationships and all that, But the bottom
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  Speaker 1: line is you're trying to put a team together that
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  Speaker 1: can compete for a championship, you know, and take the
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  Speaker 1: steps necessary necessary to get there, which this coming year
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  Speaker 1: has to be playoff talk, right, So yeah, I just
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's interesting because I think one of the
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  Speaker 1: most important parts nowadays of trying to select who you
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  Speaker 1: feel is a good if your team are the interviews,
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  Speaker 1: of the personal interviews when you get a guy in
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  Speaker 1: the room and you understand how excited he is and
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  Speaker 1: know where his mind and heart is and he's ready
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  Speaker 1: to come and develop and contribute. So yeah, I just
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  Speaker 1: don't see those things playing, Not that it doesn't happen,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't see those things playing, especially where the
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  Speaker 1: Jazz are sitting right now where they want to go.
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  Speaker 1: It really is, you know, to have the second pick
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  Speaker 1: in the draft with all these great players, it really
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  Speaker 1: is going to be a time where they're going to
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  Speaker 1: focus on fit and their game and coach Will Hardy's scheme.
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  Speaker 1: The current players who are going to be key, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that that anchor, that fundamental foundation of players like a
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  Speaker 1: lowry marketing and Trip and Keante George who you know
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  Speaker 1: are going to be have a lot of responsibility. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't I personally don't see those kind of things
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  Speaker 1: creeping into the war room when you're trying to establish
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  Speaker 1: a championship pedigree.
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  Speaker 4: What's it like being a player already on a roster
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  Speaker 4: and trying to help integrate, especially a high draft pick,
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  Speaker 4: a highly thought of draft pick, a lottery pick. What's
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  Speaker 4: it like being a guy with a veteran status with
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  Speaker 4: maybe some leadership qualities and a reputation already as an
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  Speaker 4: established player in the league. When you get you know,
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  Speaker 4: the young, confident, maybe brash, maybe not individual who comes
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  Speaker 4: in as a number two pick and says, all right,
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  Speaker 4: like I'm ready to do. This's what's the integration process
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  Speaker 4: look like for these young men and for their older teammates.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great question I'll see because I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: step out of the veteran role and go into my
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  Speaker 1: rookie season. When I was drafted by the Jazz, I
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  Speaker 1: was the seventh pick. Jazz had not made the playoffs. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And you know it's Frank Layton, the former, the late
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  Speaker 1: great Frank Layton would say, you know, people, we were
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  Speaker 1: so bad. People were calling me saying what time is
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  Speaker 1: the game? And I said, well, what time can you
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  Speaker 1: be there? And that's how difficult it was. So going
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  Speaker 1: into a situation like that and then landing in Salt
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  Speaker 1: Lake City, and then the first couple of people that
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  Speaker 1: came up to me, Darryl Griffith, who had won the
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  Speaker 1: national championship in college like I did, so we had
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  Speaker 1: that connection already, came up to me and said thorough look,
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  Speaker 1: I know you used to winning. You're similar similar situations
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  Speaker 1: that I had, So don't get too hyped up because
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of work to do for us to
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  Speaker 1: get to where we want to get to. We haven't
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  Speaker 1: done well. He's passed seasons. Mark Eaton came and put
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  Speaker 1: his big old hand around me and said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: welcome work to do. So in that respect, the similar
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  Speaker 1: respect the aspect of a team who has not won
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  Speaker 1: a lot in the past few years, the players, the
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  Speaker 1: veterans were committed. They were committed. I mean they were
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  Speaker 1: committed to trying to build something even with the past
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  Speaker 1: history of you know, being at the bottom of the league.
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  Speaker 1: And so I see the bets on this current team
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  Speaker 1: doing that and then some and you've got to look
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  Speaker 1: at the culture of this team, even in losing seasons. Man,
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  Speaker 1: it's been amazing to travel and watch these guys stick
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  Speaker 1: together and how Will Hardy has had them, you know, committed.
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  Speaker 1: You know in every huddle, you know, it's about show love.
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  Speaker 1: And so I like the vets on this team. I
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  Speaker 1: like it because they clearly have an understanding of or
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  Speaker 1: what's ahead of them and the responsibility and so they're
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  Speaker 1: going to welcome whoever that pick is and other guys
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  Speaker 1: with open arms.
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  Speaker 4: We're anticipating this pick, anticipating what next season looks like
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  Speaker 4: for the Utah Jazz while also watching the current NBA
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  Speaker 4: playoffs and seeing like, oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: Look at how good this Oklahoma City team is.
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  Speaker 4: Look at how talented the Spurs are, and they're still
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  Speaker 4: a young team, and closing that gap is obviously a
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  Speaker 4: lot easier said than done. But as you're watching these
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  Speaker 4: NBA playoffs and seeing you know, the twenty twenty sixth
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  Speaker 4: version and maybe the twenty twenty seven version of the
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  Speaker 4: leagues and especially the playoffs take shape, how big is
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  Speaker 4: the gap for a full strength, not resting anybody, fully
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  Speaker 4: healthy Utah Jazz team compared to you know, the top
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  Speaker 4: of the West.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you pick those two teams, the Spurs and Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 1: say let's go back to you know, let's go back
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  Speaker 1: further than that, like the twenty twenty three, twenty four
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  Speaker 1: seasons where they were trying to develop as well. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing that gets me and
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  Speaker 1: Jazz Nation excited, because great teams have great teams have
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  Speaker 1: to go through what we're going to, what we went
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  Speaker 1: through to get to where they are. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: it seems now in this league today that I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many great athletes, but there's such a focus on.
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  Speaker 3: Not just.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the blue guys, the guys who need to
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  Speaker 1: be consistent every night for you to have a chance.
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  Speaker 1: But the others, you know who committed the defense, the
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  Speaker 1: lotjah heartlesses that are trying to get a spot, and
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  Speaker 1: you know what they're going to give you every single
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  Speaker 1: night when they go out on the floor or so,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's exciting because I think okay See, teams
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  Speaker 1: like okay See are kind of setting this example, this
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  Speaker 1: trend where you don't need to stack your team, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with three super stars if you will, You just need
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  Speaker 1: you need a core group that can give you what
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  Speaker 1: you need every night, in particular on the defensive end.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean those watching those teams, watching the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs now and the finals really gets me excited because
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a different era where teams are building
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  Speaker 1: and teams are putting role players in place where they
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  Speaker 1: can thrive, in a place where they can thrive. Offense
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  Speaker 1: is important, don't get me wrong. You need your consistent
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  Speaker 1: corner three point shooters, You need guys who have been
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  Speaker 1: attacked getting downhill. You need rim protectors on the defensive end.
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  Speaker 1: But if you look at okay See and how they're built,
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  Speaker 1: you look at you've got a freak you've got an
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  Speaker 1: anomaly and in San Antonio. But yeah, I think that's
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  Speaker 1: the exciting part is that you've got some really good
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  Speaker 1: pieces here, and I'm just excited to see all those
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  Speaker 1: come together with the work they're going to put in
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  Speaker 1: here in a few months.
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  Speaker 4: The less glamorous side of watching, okay, see dominating these
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  Speaker 4: playoffs is, you know, we just watched the Lakers get
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  Speaker 4: swept out and Lebron James, who's had this incredible career
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  Speaker 4: at forty one years of age, a sort of unceremonious
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  Speaker 4: end to this campaign, and that you know, he is
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  Speaker 4: self admittedly going back and he's reevaluating with his family
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  Speaker 4: what the future looks like for him. And there's some
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  Speaker 4: who believe his days with the Lakers are over. Clearly
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  Speaker 4: he can still play at an incredibly high level. Twenty
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  Speaker 4: four points and twelve rebounds in the game last night.
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  Speaker 4: He's forty one years old and he's still averaging more
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  Speaker 4: than twenty points a game in the NBA. And you're
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  Speaker 4: a guy who played into his late thirties. Lebron is
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  Speaker 4: forty one and still playing at this level. What do
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  Speaker 4: you think his future looks like? And where do you
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  Speaker 4: think his future could be.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's a good question. I think only he really
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  Speaker 1: knows that. I'm pretty sure he's he's figured out his transition.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's set himself up for success beyond the game. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: he can play as long as he wants to play.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the guy could play until he's forty five
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  Speaker 1: if he wants to. Maybe it won't be with the Lakers,
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  Speaker 1: but if he, you know what, desires a role or
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  Speaker 1: lesser role with the team. And when I say lesser, though,
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean that he's not relevant because you just
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  Speaker 1: talked about his numbers at his age right now, and
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  Speaker 1: any team would love to have a vet who brings
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  Speaker 1: not just those numbers, but brings what Lebron would bring
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  Speaker 1: in his presence. So you know, who knows what he
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  Speaker 1: has in mind? You know whether he wants to go
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  Speaker 1: back to Cleveland, maybe he wants to, you know, continue
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  Speaker 1: where he is at a discount. Who knows. But the
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  Speaker 1: guy is just an example to every player, especially how
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  Speaker 1: to take care of yourself, how to take care of
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  Speaker 1: your body, and it's your main asset. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think the guy will. I'm not sure we've seen I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he's played his last game in the league
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  Speaker 1: for sure, but I'm I'm very interested to see what
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  Speaker 1: his decision is going to be going forward as well.
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  Speaker 4: The last time we had you on, you were just
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  Speaker 4: kind of starting out the Rise of Grad podcast. You
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  Speaker 4: were just in the early days, and now, you know,
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  Speaker 4: more episodes in the can and more conversations you've had
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  Speaker 4: with your interesting guests. How has it been for you?
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  Speaker 4: What have you learned? Is it what you expected it
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  Speaker 4: to be?
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  Speaker 1: It's been great. Oh see, thanks for asking that. It's
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  Speaker 1: been really good for me because I you know, I
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  Speaker 1: really understand the era we're living in right now and
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  Speaker 1: as a former professional athlete and what it took to
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  Speaker 1: get there. That's kind of an ideal world, right, I Mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many athletes that want to make it to
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  Speaker 1: the top level, and not a lot of them do.
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  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of spots there. But there's so
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  Speaker 1: much to be learned on the way, on the journey,
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  Speaker 1: and that is with any profession. So I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do something where I could talk to people who start businesses,
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  Speaker 1: people who have gone through the journey, the struggle, you know,
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  Speaker 1: of trying to you know, to get their product out
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  Speaker 1: there or trying to get people to believe in them.
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  Speaker 1: It's been fantastic and tomorrow the Lee Steinberg episode comes out,
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  Speaker 1: and this man has you know, he was at the
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  Speaker 1: top of his game when I met him years ago,
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  Speaker 1: many years ago, and then his fall because of you know, alcoholism.
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  Speaker 1: He lost everything. I mean I say everything, I don't
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  Speaker 1: mean just mean. I don't just mean money. I mean
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  Speaker 1: you know, family members who you know who wouldn't speak
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  Speaker 1: to him, and clients his business. But he got it
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  Speaker 1: all back. And what an amazing story that he tells.
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  Speaker 1: And he's got a new book out called to Comeback,
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  Speaker 1: and just an extraordinary man to talk to. Scott O'Neill
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  Speaker 1: feal Live Golf's his episode is out right now. It's
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  Speaker 1: just a great, great, i think medium to be able
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  Speaker 1: to people, to be able to hear these stories because
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  Speaker 1: everybody has something that's going on that they're trying to achieve,
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  Speaker 1: and there's people who've been through it, and so it's
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  Speaker 1: been it's been great to sit down with these folks
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  Speaker 1: and have that conversation.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to check out that Live Golf episode
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  Speaker 4: because it's a really fascinating time for that organization. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: with their financial model changing a little bit with the
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  Speaker 4: Saudi's kind of opting out. So if any one of
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  Speaker 4: you out there is interested in the golf world right
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  Speaker 4: now and especially kind of the split and the feud
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  Speaker 4: and the live golf and the PGA Scott O'Neill, the
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  Speaker 4: Live Golf CEO on the Rising Grind podcast with Thorow Bailey,
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  Speaker 4: obviously something you need to check out.
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  Speaker 3: Big Ta.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of admiration for you and all the work
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  Speaker 4: that you continue to do here in our community and
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  Speaker 4: obviously on the broad And I can't tell you how
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  Speaker 4: much I appreciate your time today. Thank you once again
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  Speaker 4: for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Oh see, I appreciate it. Can I say one quick
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  Speaker 1: thing because this basketball family is not that big, and
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  Speaker 1: just heard about the passing of former Grizzly Brandon Clark
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  Speaker 1: at twenty nine years old. Man, that's just way too young.
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  Speaker 1: So my condolences go out to his family. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: he made it to the top of this profession. It's
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  Speaker 1: just tough when we started losing players like that. So
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  Speaker 1: my condolences go out to Brandon Clark's family.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we certainly echo those. Yeah, Unfortunately breaking news. Brandon
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  Speaker 4: Clark only twenty nine years old. The Grizzlies and his
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  Speaker 4: sports agency both release statements acknowledging his passing, so condolences
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  Speaker 4: to the Clark family, Like Big T says, thanks again, Thrill,
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  Speaker 4: Thanks O Sae. That's throw Bailey. You can hear and
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  Speaker 4: see him on the Jazz Broadcast. Check out his new podcast,
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  Speaker 4: Rise and Grind Live. Golf CEO Scott O'Neill was last
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  Speaker 4: week's guest. It's a very fascinating time for that organization.
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  Speaker 4: They're losing the Saudi money. Does that mean the organization
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  Speaker 4: is going away? Players seem to be kind of jumping ship.
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  Speaker 4: And then Lee Steinberg. I bet Lee Steinberg's got some
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  Speaker 4: stories man super Agent to the Stars.
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  Speaker 3: Is this week's guests coming up?