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Normally Podcast: Immigration Wars, Free Speech Fights & 2028 Chess Moves · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Okay, are back on normally there with normalistics for when
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  Speaker 1: the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 2: I am and I'm Carol Marcos. How was your weekend,
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  Speaker 2: Mary Catherine?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it was great. My football team won,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm walking on air.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I saw that and thought of you for sure,
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  Speaker 2: and that would be Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: The Georgia Bulldogs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, your Lions also beat the Cowboys, which was yes, sad.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't watch as much NFL as I used
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  Speaker 1: to because in a mom's life, you just have to
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  Speaker 1: choose a thing. You got to choose.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've chosen college football.
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  Speaker 1: I have, but I do in theory like NFL football
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  Speaker 1: as well. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the weekend was exciting. I started seeing tweets about
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  Speaker 2: europe Europeans being angry at Americans, and I didn't know
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  Speaker 2: what was going on, and I kind of enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, we're done with you, America, this is
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  Speaker 2: the last straw. And I didn't know what they were
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  Speaker 2: talking about, and it was a lot of fun not knowing.
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  Speaker 1: But it's actually just the Don Draper meme is his
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  Speaker 1: underling at work says to him in the elevator, I
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  Speaker 1: feel sorry for you and he goes, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: about you at all.
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  Speaker 2: It's like that is just the best comeback ever, which
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  Speaker 2: is really how I felt about it. And I didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to know. But then one of my followers on Twitter,
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  Speaker 2: old old time follower Keith Becker, told me that the
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  Speaker 2: White House put out a new document on national security
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  Speaker 2: strategy and the Europeans were really unhappy about it. And
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  Speaker 2: I read the document, I read the commentary on the document.
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  Speaker 2: I can't say that I understand what they're so annoyed about,
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  Speaker 2: but I'll tell you a little bit about it. The
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  Speaker 2: new document places a renewed emphasis on sovereignty, national interest,
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  Speaker 2: and realism, basically saying it's not going to that We're
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  Speaker 2: not going to be the world's policeman anymore. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think anybody who saw Donald Trump's first term or
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  Speaker 2: these last few months, no, that's going to be a
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  Speaker 2: case by case basis, because we are sometimes going to
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  Speaker 2: be the world's policeman. I think what this document wanted
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  Speaker 2: to do was say that America is out of the
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  Speaker 2: supporting the whole world, and you have to stand in
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  Speaker 2: your own two feet. You have to get your act together,
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  Speaker 2: and especially for Europe, they were trying to tell them
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  Speaker 2: that economic security, self reliance, perhaps not letting in so
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  Speaker 2: many migrants, perhaps shoring up your own culture. Some all
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  Speaker 2: of these things would be good things. Now, of course, look,
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  Speaker 2: the Trump administration is definitely a little abrasive about this
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and I understand why Europe is annoyed
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  Speaker 2: at the tone shift, but I don't see a massive
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  Speaker 2: change here from where we've been for a while now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Also, like did they talk junk about us all
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  Speaker 1: the time all the time, Like, yeah, is this a
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  Speaker 1: one way street? You must be super respectful of us.
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  Speaker 1: I parted ways with some people thought back when Jade
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  Speaker 1: Vance gave that speech and included attacks on Europe's free
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  Speaker 1: speech issue, that was unnecessary sort of provocation. But it's
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  Speaker 1: also true. Yeah, it's true. And then it affects American
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  Speaker 1: corporations that have to do business in Europe. Absolutely, If
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  Speaker 1: these are real problems that affect American companies and American people,
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  Speaker 1: you might be tweeting.
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  Speaker 2: Right, well, that's the thing, right, It's like, will it
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  Speaker 2: affect American people? I mean, when when Britain arrested their
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  Speaker 2: comedian Graham line him, I think line hand, I think
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  Speaker 2: that was a real red line that they crossed. And
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  Speaker 2: I think Americans need to think, you know, if I'm
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  Speaker 2: tweeting something, if I'm on vacation in Europe and I'm
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  Speaker 2: tweeting something, can I be arrested for it? Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and these are these are considerations that Americans
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  Speaker 2: need to take.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw a story the other day about a
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  Speaker 1: I think he was a brit who came here, fired
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  Speaker 1: a shotgun at arranged it was and he would arrested
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  Speaker 1: when he got back home. Like our buddy Kate Rosenfield
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  Speaker 1: who writes for the Free Press and Unheard and others,
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  Speaker 1: she did not tweet from Europe when she was there
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  Speaker 1: because because I don't know what they can do to me.
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  Speaker 1: So these things affect Americans. Yeah, I also have even
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  Speaker 1: when the Trump administration is maybe too abrasive for my taste,
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  Speaker 1: and like, is this getting us anywhere? I've been wrong
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  Speaker 1: about that in the past. The NATO ability to stand
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  Speaker 1: up for itself has increased. A Yeah, tough love from Trump,
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  Speaker 1: who is the only person who would ever deliver it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that Secretary General, the NATO Secretary General
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  Speaker 1: Guy Mark Ruta, he seems to get it, and he
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  Speaker 1: seems to talk to Trump in a way that gets
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  Speaker 1: it and understands that they are strengthening their themselves by
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  Speaker 1: this process. And I just I don't understand why they're
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  Speaker 1: so upset about that part of it. Yeah, now there's
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  Speaker 1: a part where we might where we might be upset
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  Speaker 1: later that they are doing too much and we're not
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  Speaker 1: in charge of them anymore because they know decision.
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  Speaker 2: There's the Jewish phrase, from your lips to God's ears.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: They make bad decisions though, I just can't see it.
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  Speaker 2: I can't see them doing too much, Like they're not
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  Speaker 2: even in the universe of doing anything right now. But
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  Speaker 2: for me, this comes from a real place of love.
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  Speaker 2: I love Europe. I want Europe to be better. I
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  Speaker 2: want them to do better. The decline is obvious in Europe.
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't be that way. It's just you don't want
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  Speaker 2: these societies to fail. They are our allies, Like there
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  Speaker 2: isn't this lie that, oh, we're not allied with Europe.
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  Speaker 2: Of course we are. Of course we are. And what
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  Speaker 2: has tied us to each other is our common values,
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  Speaker 2: our common backgrounds. All of that has mattered along the road.
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  Speaker 2: But they're veering they're veering into a different place, and
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  Speaker 2: it's worrisome to watch it happen, just the conversations that
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  Speaker 2: they're having in their countries. In Britain and France, they're
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  Speaker 2: not where they should be. And it's still a lot
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  Speaker 2: of like if you talk about the unchecked migration, you're racist.
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  Speaker 2: Like there's still very much in the place where you
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  Speaker 2: can't talk about things, which is where I thought America
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  Speaker 2: was a few years ago. And they have to get
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  Speaker 2: out of that, because if you can't talk about the problems,
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  Speaker 2: you can't fix the problems.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that I mean, I mean you'll literally be
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  Speaker 1: arrested for talking about the problems.
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's the issue, is right. It's like because
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  Speaker 1: of they the liberal sort of overwinging position in Europe
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  Speaker 1: and Britain is that like the cultural distinctions that made
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  Speaker 1: America and Europe and Western society great are bad, actually, right,
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  Speaker 1: those are bad? Yeah, And so if you think that,
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  Speaker 1: and if your system thinks that, then you can't defend it.
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  Speaker 1: You have no boundaries. You have no way of bringing
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  Speaker 1: people into the society in a healthy fashion because you
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  Speaker 1: can't assert that your society's healthy, right, And so then
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  Speaker 1: you just end up giving everything away literally them, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: culture and materially. And that then means that you accept
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  Speaker 1: crime against your citizens, all sorts of coddling, all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of fraud, and then you tell everybody that it's for
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  Speaker 1: our own good right and get people in jail for
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  Speaker 1: calling people names instead of people in jail for like
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  Speaker 1: a violent assault on the streets. Yeah, like it's a
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  Speaker 1: bit's a bad deal.
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  Speaker 2: It is. And look, if you're a liberal European listening,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we have some of those listeners. The thing that
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  Speaker 2: you have to think about is that it does push
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  Speaker 2: people to the far right. Even this isn't far right.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I knew Brexit was going to happen
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  Speaker 2: when I had an English friend of mine post on
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  Speaker 2: Facebook there's nothing special about Britain. There's no reason that
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  Speaker 2: we should be separate from Europe. I'm like, nobody is like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: my country is nothing special, that does not fly, and
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  Speaker 2: they're going to choose something else, and you're pushing them
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  Speaker 2: away from your own politics. And I also add that
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  Speaker 2: I lived in Europe. I lived in Scotland during the
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  Speaker 2: Clinton years. Do not tell me this is because of
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump. I also remember how they behaved towards Georgia W. Bush.
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  Speaker 2: But I also remember how they thought of America during
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  Speaker 2: the Bill Clinton years. So don't try to tell me
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  Speaker 2: this is a Trump thing that they're so mad about America.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be right back with some now it can be told.
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  Speaker 2: Be right back on normally. We are back on normally
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  Speaker 2: where the New York Times has discovered that the Biden
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  Speaker 2: immigration policies were not so good. Our buddy Justin Young
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  Speaker 2: from the amazing podcast Politics, Politics, Politics, sent me this story,
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  Speaker 2: which is titled how Biden lost American American's faith and Immigration,
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  Speaker 2: and Justin wrote, oh man, first ballot for the now
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  Speaker 2: it can be told hall of Fame, which, my goodness, yes.
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  Speaker 1: It is something else something yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: this is the over and over again. If you had
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  Speaker 1: paid attention to all of the media sources that are
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  Speaker 1: regularly slandered by the New York Times, you would have
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  Speaker 1: all this information.
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  Speaker 2: Right right The New York Times. Yeah, they're just they
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  Speaker 2: let their readers be several years behind the curve. If ever,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't know how anybody reads them and thinks
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  Speaker 2: I understand what's going on in the country or in
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  Speaker 2: the world based on what's in this newspaper. The x
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: account Blue Sky Libs makes this great point. The New
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  Speaker 2: York Times article repeatedly refers to the border as open
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  Speaker 2: and being opened under Biden. I challenge anyone to find
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  Speaker 2: a New York Times article that refers to an open
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  Speaker 2: border while it was actually open. Yep, that's really it.
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  Speaker 1: Well so, and the new revelation here such that it
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  Speaker 1: is is even more embarrassing for the New York Times
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  Speaker 1: because what they allege is that a bunch of staffers
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  Speaker 1: in the Biden campaign and then in the early days
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  Speaker 1: of the administration were like, this will not fly, and
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  Speaker 1: they held Zoom meetings and they were like, this isn't
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  Speaker 1: going to work. Everybody's going to be pulled in. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to be a magne COVID making economies collapse elsewhere,
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  Speaker 1: is going to bring people here. Maybe there are ways
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  Speaker 1: we could forestall that and prevent it. Okay, it seems
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  Speaker 1: like they have quotes from this actual Zoom meeting. I
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  Speaker 1: will assume that that actually happened, But I'm also going
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  Speaker 1: to assume that The New York Times had talked to
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  Speaker 1: these people the entire time during the administration, and they
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  Speaker 1: all got together and decided to not call it an
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  Speaker 1: open border and not call it the very thing they
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  Speaker 1: called it in this meeting, which was chaos and a
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  Speaker 1: crisis like those Remember, we got in trouble for calling
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  Speaker 1: it chaos. We got in trouble for calling it right
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  Speaker 1: a crisis, and they didn't. No, no, no, no crisis here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing to see here. On the New York Times
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  Speaker 2: rights mister Biden's policy changes, some of which were halted
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  Speaker 2: by the courts, were not the only causes of that
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  Speaker 2: early surge. The draw of the US economy, which bounced
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  Speaker 2: back quickly from COVID matter too, But the changes signaled
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  Speaker 2: to migrants that the border was opening again. Former AIDS said,
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  Speaker 2: now the border was closed because of the Trump administration
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  Speaker 2: and the idea that the Biden administration was opening the
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  Speaker 2: border again again. That was something that we couldn't talk
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  Speaker 2: about at the time. When I referred to the borders open,
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  Speaker 2: which it was, it was open. Anytime you can come
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  Speaker 2: and stay in a country, that country's borders are open.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I was told that that was super unfair by pretty
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  Speaker 2: prominent liberal voices, And I maintained the whole time that
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  Speaker 2: liberals were trying to have it both ways, that they
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  Speaker 2: wanted the border to be open, but they didn't want
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  Speaker 2: us to call it an open border.
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  Speaker 1: Other things that we were scolded about pointing out that
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  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris was the borders are they They are still
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  Speaker 1: doing this crap in this article where they say, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: others say she was the borders are She's named the
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  Speaker 1: borders ark. Guys, we all know what borders are. Is
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  Speaker 1: that one annoys me that they continue to lie about
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  Speaker 1: that one. To your point, In January, the month mister
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  Speaker 1: Biden took office, the US Border Patrol reported seventy five
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  Speaker 1: thousand encounters with migrants along the southwest border. By March,
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  Speaker 1: that number pasted one hundred and sixty nine thousand in
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  Speaker 1: a month, Okay, and then it went immediately to almost
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  Speaker 1: zero with Trump. And what was the other lie? We
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  Speaker 1: got to pass the Senate package in order?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, No, you don't turned out we totally didn't.
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  Speaker 1: No, you don't. Can I can I also add this this,
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  Speaker 1: and this to me is like the Democratic Party's problem.
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  Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that people won't vote for them,
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  Speaker 1: but this is a problem. How was all of this form,
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: how was all this policy form such that it was
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: everybody was reacting to the excesses of the Trump administration,
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: said Cecilia Munoz for help shape and immigration policy in
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  Speaker 1: the Obama administration and oversaw domestic and economic policy for
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  Speaker 1: the Biden transition team. Soon after being sworn in, mister
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  Speaker 1: Biden issued a one hundred day pause on deportations. He
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: drastically narrowed the categories of unauthorized immigrants targeted for arrest.
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  Speaker 1: He directed his government to stop building the border wall.
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  Speaker 1: He suspended remain in Mexico. He sent draft legislation to
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  Speaker 1: Congress to create a citizenship pathway for people in the
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  Speaker 1: country illegally. He kept Title forty two in place, but
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  Speaker 1: stopped using it to turn back children who crossed the border.
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  Speaker 1: We now all that many of those were trafficked and abused.
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  Speaker 1: He did this. These were decisions he made, and they
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  Speaker 1: made them in opposition to Trump, which is not a
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  Speaker 1: good enough way to make decisions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just because Trump likes it doesn't mean you shouldn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Just to make it makes no sense. And the whole
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  Speaker 2: article is about the political implications of these policies. Like
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  Speaker 2: the policies themselves are fine. The New York Times things
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: but Trump was able to capitalize on these policies, so
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  Speaker 2: they're bad. That's just no way to run a government.
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  Speaker 2: And they, you know, they point out anger over a
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  Speaker 2: legal migration help return mister Trump to the presidency. He's
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  Speaker 2: enacted even more aggressive policies than those mister Biden first
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  Speaker 2: campaigned against. He has drawn outrage from Democrats by sending
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  Speaker 2: masked agents to target immigrants, often aided by National Guard soldiers. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the thing about this is that the New York Times
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  Speaker 2: again wants to have it both ways. They want a
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  Speaker 2: strong immigration policy, but they don't want masked agents who
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  Speaker 2: are from Ice to come deal with I legal immigrants. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you can't have that. You can't have an open border
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  Speaker 2: that we don't call an open border. Another thing in
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  Speaker 2: this piece at the Times, they have a picture if
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  Speaker 2: you remember, for a few years ago from twenty two
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  Speaker 2: in Del Rio, Texas, it was a border agent pursuing
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  Speaker 2: some migrants on horseback and if you recall the story, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the lie at the time was that they were whipping
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  Speaker 2: them with the whips and it turned out to be
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  Speaker 2: a complete lie. The New York Times has this picture
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  Speaker 2: and it says the episode made headlines after photographers witnessed
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  Speaker 2: border guards chasing migrants on horseback. The Twitter account Brian
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  Speaker 2: Doherty points out this is revisionist history from the New
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  Speaker 2: York Times. The Times claims that it made news because
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  Speaker 2: of the photograph of border agents chasing migrants on horseback,
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  Speaker 2: but that's not true. The headlines that the media concocted
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  Speaker 2: was that the agents were chasing the migrants. The lie
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  Speaker 2: was that the agents were whipping the illegals with the reins.
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  Speaker 2: It was a complete and total lie. The reins were
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  Speaker 2: used to control and direct the horses, not whip the illegals.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing. The New York Times tells this lie,
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't clear up the lie. When it finally
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  Speaker 2: does this, now it can be told, it's still kind
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  Speaker 2: of oh, yeah, this was a big story because they
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  Speaker 2: were being chased on horseback. No, it was a big
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  Speaker 2: story because you lied about it.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, no, this is infuriating, and you're right, this
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  Speaker 1: is about political implications. It's They also claim like, he
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  Speaker 1: didn't really have a vision. Did you read that? Did
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  Speaker 1: you hear the paragraph? I just read? He had a vision.
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  Speaker 1: This was the vision, right, right, right? They just didn't
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  Speaker 1: know that the vision would hurt them, and now they're
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: mad about the vision having hurt they still like that vision.
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  Speaker 2: So they continue that. You know, he could have addressed
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: the border crisis faster and eased what became a potent
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  Speaker 2: issue from mister Trump as he sought to return to
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  Speaker 2: the White House and justify the aggressive tactics royaling American
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  Speaker 2: cities today, which begs the question, how is the Democratic
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  Speaker 2: candidate running on this in twenty twenty eight? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: where are we where? I think the Democrats all raise
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  Speaker 2: their hands for should we have free health care for
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  Speaker 2: legal immigrants in twenty twenty? What does this mean for
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight? Are they still going to run as
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  Speaker 2: the party winking at the open border even seeing the
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  Speaker 2: chaos that we've gone through in this country in the
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  Speaker 2: last five or so years, where the border crisis really
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  Speaker 2: did hit in such a way that everyday Americans felt it.
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  Speaker 1: I assume that the New York Times is doing this
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  Speaker 1: as a warning two Democrats who are currently running, so
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: that they can get their story straight before twenty twenty six. Right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the message is going to be
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  Speaker 1: for Democrats. I think it's real that the American public,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: even though fed up with Biden's policies, could sour and
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: is probably in the process of souring on some of
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Trump's more aggressive stuff to solve the problem. Although I
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: give you that Goose meme that's like, why do we
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: need the aggressive resolution? Why do we need aggressive? But
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  Speaker 1: how are they going to get out of this? Because
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: again this goes back to the europe discussion. If you
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: do not believe the values in the borders of your
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  Speaker 1: country are worth defending, then why would you want any
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  Speaker 1: other system than this? And they just they have no
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  Speaker 1: boundaries literally and figuratively, and can't tell anyone that they
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  Speaker 1: actually can't come in that that's not in their ethos.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the over educated latinxt monarker using nonsense class
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: of leaders.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And once they're in, they absolutely cannot tell them to leave,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: which is the catch twenty two. You don't want to
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: stop them at the border. You also don't want to
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: kick them out while they're here. What do you want
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to do? How would you like to handle the border crisis?
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: How would you handle the fact that so many people
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: will come to the United States if our borders are open,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: and we just can't sustain that. It's not feasible, and
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: there used to be Democrats, including that famous right winger
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders. He said, you know, if you had open borders,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: my god, the whole you know, the whole world would
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: come to America. That used to be something that they
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: used to be able to say, and now they cannot
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: say those words anymore. Even the more moderate people in
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: their party can no longer say we can't sustain this.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: It'll be very interesting to see how the Gavin Newsom's
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: of the world handle it and how what he's able
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: to do in the debates about this in twenty eight, like,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: let's see where this goes.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, so far it's removing people is fascism and
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: we need our maids and landscapers.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which I'm beleeving the toilets. Apparently the argument that
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: they make with a straight face.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: That's not the argument I would make. But it doesn't
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: sound good except to far lefty people and by the way,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: affluent people. This is a class issue. I saw an
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: interesting tweet and I can't remember who it was from.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Is maybe from a comment on a story that said,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: let's pose the quest if all of the immigrants who
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: were coming in, we're taking white color right from home cars. Yes,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: would be over educated, but not that or you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: not that upwardly mobile lefty graduate students be in favor
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: They sure wouldn't. I wouldn't.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Suddenly they'd have boundaries.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: You know they would. Yeah, all right, Well we'll see
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: where what argument the Democrats come up for this in
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: twenty eight. Look, the Republicans are not always amazing on
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: lots of things, but I think the we should have
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: laws and standards and a pathway and a system for
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: legal immigration is something that Republicans can pretty easily convey.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And yeah, Americans have soured on immigration in general because
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: of the illegal immigration problem, and that's a real problem. Look,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I'm an immigrant. I don't want to be anti immigration,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: but I get the argument that we need to slow
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: even legal immigration way down because of what we've endured
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: the last five years, millions and millions of people coming
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: in unvetted. We have to kind of deal with that
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: problem first.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. We'll be right.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Back with more on normally and crazy leftist women on
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: the ascent, including one who may be running for Senate
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: in Texas. Be right back. We are back on normally
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: where we are recording this as Jasmine Crockett considers whether
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: to get into the race for US Senate from Texas now.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: In October, poll had Crockett leading a hypothetical four way
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: primary with her Colin Alred, James tell Rico, and Beto
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: or Rourke. Beto has since chosen not to run, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: as we go to air right now, Colin Alred has
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: dropped out of the US Senate race in Texas, it
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: will be James tell Rico and maybe Jasmine Crockett if
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: she jumps in today. What do we think, Mary Catherine?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, this does feel like an indication that the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Afton Bay race in Nashville, which we talked about last week,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: we wondered whether the signal would be go hard left,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: go harder left, and then you'll really have a shot
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to win in these red places. I don't think that
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: is the right thing for the left to do, but
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I think that's what they want to do. And honestly,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: we've been in this position before as a Republican party,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: where during the Tea Party years, it was like, we're
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: just really mad at Obama and you need to fight, fight,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: fight harder. I don't know what you want to fight
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: for but just like be more right right and you
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: turn off a lot of voters. That way, you win primaries,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: you don't win generals. So I think that Jasmin Crockett
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: is going to end up with that problem. She's gonna
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: have excitement, she's gonna have media coverage, she's gonna have
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of money. She raises a ton of money
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: by being a reality show Instagram legislator. Like, that's right,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that's the name of the game.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I would also say that she's getting into this because
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the Republicans in Texas are in a brutal primary. Incumbent
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Senator John Cornyn, state Attorney General Ken Paxton, and US
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Representative Wesley Hunt are all running for the seat. Paxton
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: is favored to win that primary. I think every story
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I read says that he has some skeletons in the
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: closet that the Democrats are hoping to take advantage of.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: There's definitely a sign here for Democrats in Texas that
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: this is the moment and that's the only reason someone
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: like Jasmine Crockett would be the candidate for them. I
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: still don't think she pulls it out in Texas, but
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: my goodness, if she does.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Somehow my gosh. No. But it's also interesting because the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: tall Rico and the all read of it, all those
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: guys are more moderate signaling. So James tall Rico is
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a state representative. Youngish guys looks younger than he is.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: He looks very young, but he's you know, evangelical Christians.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Speaks about faith campaigns from the tailgate of his pickup.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: You know, he does the things. She feels much more
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Beto o'rouric like, I bring in a lot of money,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I get Vogue covers, and I can't really do this
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: thing where I pretend to be moderate.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Well, Beto ran as a moderate against Ted Cruz. I
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: think that's like when he ran for president, he ran
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: as a completely different Beto.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. Yeah, original Beto was more moderate
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: and original Beta. Yeah, that's a smarter approach. It's not
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: an approach that Crockett is going to even attempt to make.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And tell Errico would I think Alred might have. You know, eventually,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: there will be problems for Republicans in Texas because people
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: are fleeing blue states and moving to Texas. And what
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: they tend to do is they vote blue once they've
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: ruined their old place, and then they come to the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: new place. And so you have to keep convincing people
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that you're the party that will keep Texas Texas, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Crockett is going to be I don't know, crock is
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: just going to be saying America and Texas's trash anyway.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that that applies even I think
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: that blue people, like even the blue people who move
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to these red states, are more conservative than the place
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: that they left behind. Yes, a lot of them are
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: still tied to the Democratic Party, and that's terrible. I'd
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: say that. You know, Florida was kind of an outlier
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: in this because the steake got way redder as they
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: got this influx of people, including me so.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And that's because that's partly because DeSantis, with his policies
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: and good governance, is in the business of convincing people
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that the party in charge is doing what it's supposed
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: to be doing. But I think this will cause some
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: heartburn for Democrats who wished to give this a go.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you about another lefty woman who is
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: a sellmant right now? Have you seen Jennifer Welch, who
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: is a former Bravo celebrity who.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Helped I didn't realize she was a former Bravo celebrity. Yes,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: she had a story.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: She had a two season interior design show about she
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: herself and her now podcast partner doing interior design in
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma City.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, me and what me and you do after this?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Hey, let's give it a try. But I just want
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to This is the person who's like popped up as
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: their I don't you know? They're looking for their Joe Rogan. Right,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: So Hassan Piker and this woman are the two.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: She is, of course very pro palaestinning and thanks beating
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: at and Yahoo is a war criminal.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: So there's that, uh that takes right now on the left.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: She has that in favor with Hassan Piker. She's a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: very rich lady. She does design for very rich people.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: She opens her podcast with Patriots, Gatriots, Theatriots, Black triots,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and Brown triots. Yikes. The name of the show is
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I've Had It. She has a mostly silent co host
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: who just sits there and smiles at her, which is interesting.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: In fact, that's in the profile by the New York Times,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: just to give you an indication of where Jennifer Welch
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: is on the ideological spectrum. Let's have her signature intro
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: to her podcast here.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: It is ready one, two, three, Patriots, gatriots, patriots, black triots,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: brown triots, and all of maggot can do wet pumps slick.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Yikes.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Now The New York Times is a course fawningly profiling
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: this person, and I just I'm not sure that this
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: is the path that they want to go down electorally.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is it again? The new Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: is a Democrat. I know, on I know, just keep
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: your original Joe Rogan, Like, why do you need a
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: new one?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I like this part. The writer talks about her meeting her.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: When I met miss Welch at her apartment one November morning,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: she opened the door to reveal a four foot tall
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: pop art painting of the former Supreme Court Justice Ruth
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Bader Ginsburg. She offered me a rose colored glass of water,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: which I sat down atop a coaster of Barack Obama's face.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: We sat on her blushed velvet couch, which Miss Welsh
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: had reupholstered from its original gray. Okay, every woman, every
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: woman is what I'm hearing. And then this is again
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: this is the Tim Waltz problem. Libs see a football
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: coach from Minnesota and they go, that's what normal people like.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Yeahs from Oklahoma. She grew up in Oklahoma and Texas.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: She has a southern accent. So they're like, that's what
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: enormy's like, right, and so, but that's not it. It's
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: just like she's playing the part. She's actually signaling very
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: rich liberal lady that's with an accent.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: You're right, Look, I mean Republicans conservatives are not immune
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: from this. I think some of the time they you know,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I I'm not mentioning any crazy podcasters by name, but
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I think some of it is like, oh, we have
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: somebody black who's saying, you know, conservative things like let's
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: elevate this person without much you know, background checking or
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: really looking into her. So I think a lot of
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: it is it happens on both sides. But the Libs
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: going through this right now like just you know, it's
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: really sweet to watch.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And she's she does I will I will say I
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: think she is preparing Democrats, unlike Kamala Harris was prepared
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to actually be able to sit down and take some
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: hits like she does. Ask harder questions than CBS does.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Now I think, do I agree with the premises of
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: those questions. No, but people kind of have to go
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to her show now and they're doing it, so that's interesting.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I want to end with one last like perfectly lib
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: anecdote about this woman affluent Lib. This follow Miss Welch
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and her spouse Josh, helped their youngest son move into
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a dorm at the University of Southern California. She knows
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: many women who have felt directionless when their children left home. Instead,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: she moved out too. She told Josh she wanted to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: experience a midlife gap year in the city with her dogs,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: where she would be well positioned to build her empires
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: of liberal podcasting and interior design. She moved to Manhattan,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and soon she was outside mister Momdani's victory party on
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: election night getting mobbed for selfies. Hardlands up right there.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: That marriage is in trouble. I'll tell you that. The
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: tell is that they don't want to be together.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: It's a little clue midlife gap year.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't know. I don't know that
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: many women or men actually either, who would take midlife
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: gap years without getting actually divorced, so good luck to them.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Every woman who lives in Manhattan and goes to move
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Donnie's victory parties. Sure, why not?
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: These are Barack Obama coasters. That's right.
• 29:13
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• 29:16
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• 29:20
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• 29:25
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