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Gerrit Cole’s MRI Scare · The 3-0 Take

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  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take, where we talk
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  all things Major League Baseball.
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  Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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  This is episode 416. I'll be your host, Kyle Cord,
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  and I'm here with my Co host, Nate Reyes.
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  Nate. What's up, everybody?
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  Welcome back. We are live, and we are here to
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  talk NFL free agency. Oh, wait.
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  How much better it is than, oh wait, baseball's free agency?
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  Dude. Is that is that what we're
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  talking about? Because it is.
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  Just 24 hours of chaos. So jealous.
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  I saw a lot of feedback today from baseball fans saying, you
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  know, the NFL free agency window is great and all that, but I
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  like having a taste here and there.
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  A little hint throughout the. Office we need to I don't care
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  about that. Something in between 24 hours of
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  chaos is isn't bad. I would like a week of chaos.
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  Nope. Nope, I'm going.
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  Just give me all the chaos in a day.
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  Just give me, give me something. Make it a little later in the
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  winter so it's not just right off the top, but just give me
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  give me a day to look. Forward to maybe like 3 days
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  before Christmas. There you go, early Christmas.
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  Roll right into Christmas. Early Christmas and then that
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  way everybody's set. You know where everybody's going
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  to be. Sure, you don't have as much to
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  talk about the offseason, but this is ridiculous, man.
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  Like it. Additionally, it was a joke when
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  we're talking about Jordan Montgomery, Blake Snell, so on
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  and so forth. It is Monday, March 11th and the
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  Korea Series starts in 10 days. Sure 9.
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  Nine days, 10 days. Somewhere in there.
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  What are we doing? Dude, I don't know.
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  All we get is cryptic Instagram Story messages.
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  That's it. It's all we can work off of.
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  And look, I hate to admit it, this is exactly what Scott
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  Borris wanted. What we're seeing, I know we're
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  we're sitting here bashing the free agency or or lack the lack
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  thereof in terms of moves, but we're seeing what happened with
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  Garrett Cole today. A little bit of a scare there.
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  There's been some other injuries that have taken place across
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  baseball. We were calling him an idiot.
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  We said we What are you doing, Scott?
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  You're washed. You're at the end of the road,
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  buddy. Not to say he knew this was
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  going to happen, but. It always happens.
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  That he knew this was going to happen.
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  It always happens. There's always stuff that
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  happens. There's always something.
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  That's what spring training is. It's over hype, and it's
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  figuring out who got in their offseason workout and who
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  didn't. Sad day.
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  Yeah. We just need somebody to like
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  something like at this point, go to the Angels, I don't care.
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  Doesn't seem like many people want you to go to the Angels.
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  But on that note, we're getting way ahead of ourselves here.
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  I I we still got to take care of a couple housekeeping items, but
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  real quick on Blake Snell to the Angels, there's a lot of people
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  saying, well, who would want to go play for the Angels?
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  Do we want to see Mike Trout in the postseason or not?
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  I've I've given, I've given up on those streams.
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  Do we want to see Mike Trout of the postseason or not?
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  I've shipped those out of Long, long buried that in the
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  backyard. I'm going to pretend that you
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  just said yes. We want to see Mike Trout in the
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  postseason, so how are we going to get on the Angels for trying
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  to surround him with decent players?
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  Like what? I get it.
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  I get it. It's.
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  They're more than a cycle. For years, no, I I know I.
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  But you have to start somewhere. And I know we just rag on the
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  angels left and right, and deservedly so.
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  They they get in their own way more times than not.
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  But at some point, you got to start somewhere and for us to be
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  ragging on a Blake Snell to the Angels that to me, that's more
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  on Blake Snell than it is the Angels.
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  If you, if you're the Angels and you're trying to go after
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  somebody, OK, that's fine, whatever.
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  But Blake Snell maybe have a little bit more awareness.
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  It sounds like you don't want to play in the Bronx, but I mean,
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  do you want to, do you want to compete right away?
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  If so, maybe the Bronx has a better option than LA.
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  As much as I would imagine he'd like to be out West, that's just
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  my take on it. But before we get any deeper
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  into personnel news, updates, yada yada yada, the fantasy
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  We're Year 4, isn't it? No, we're like, it's got to be 5
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  honest here? I don't know if I even remember
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  I don't know if I do either. I thought it was after 2020, but
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  I don't know. Yeah, it's it.
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  check out the YouTube, that would be the time.
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  With that said, let us continue our conversation here with
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  Garrett Cole. A little bit of a scare Today it
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  was announced by Aaron Boone that that he was scheduled for
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  an MRI and all of Yankees Twitter just proceeded to melt.
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  We're a very volatile fan base. If you couldn't tell.
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  I mean talk. I'll let you run with this,
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  'cause this is your guy. But the only thing I'll say
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  here, right off the top, is talk about a fan base that was at the
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  top of the mountain yesterday. And then today, I kid you not, I
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  saw, I saw tweets from people saying does anyone, anybody want
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  to meet at the top of the Brooklyn Bridge?
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  Yeah. In within 24 hours, if that.
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  That's how we do it. Yeah, that's what we're dealing
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  with here. So we're going from we're I I
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  have people, I have Yank. I've seen Yankee fans talking
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  about world beaters going to run away with the World Series.
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  There's always, they're always those, yeah.
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  Sharpie. And then today you get the news
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  that Garrett Cole possibly could maybe miss a year and then some.
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  And now it's while the season's over.
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  I I don't know how you get to from there to there with one
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  guy. I understand he's your Cy Young
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  winner, but he wasn't going to win you the World Series single
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  handedly. I'll just say that.
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  Your thoughts? Here's the problem.
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  There's a lot of problems, actually.
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  But here's one of the problems is that we're just we're we're
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  just so used to being lied to as a fan base.
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  The Yankees organization just lies.
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  They just flat out lie. So we're having to pick up the
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  pieces and, you know, create our own scenario in our head.
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  Aaron Boone saying, you know, he's saying stuff.
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  He said for years, for years, that it's just precautionary,
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  that it's not that big of a deal.
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  I mean we said that about Aaron Judge last year and then he's
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  out for two months, said that about Rizzo being fine.
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  Obviously issues there. It's like it's just it's it's
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  always been there. We're always being lied to
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  constantly. So we're having to pick up the
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  pieces. You want the hopeful side first.
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  You want like the hopeful, somewhat positive Nate.
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  I want you want him first. Passionate Yankee fan Nate.
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  Give it whatever. Whatever comes to you first.
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  I'm going to be positive 1st. I'm going to get this out of the
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  way so I can I can get in deep to all the other stuff my
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  irrational, you know, fears. Basically positive.
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  Love him or hate him, Garrett Cole is a perfectionist and he's
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  very focused on how he feels and how he recovers.
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  And to the point of like, nausea almost.
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  Because it's like he's so precise on everything all the
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  time. Every part of his pitching game
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  has to be focused. So this is apparently based on
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  slow recovery. There's no lack of velocity,
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  There's no lack of control. There's no pain.
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  But there is this. I'm not recovering as quickly as
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  I should, so that's where we're getting this precautionary
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  stuff. So I'm hoping this is just
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  gotten blown out of proportion and it's him wanting to figure
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  it out. Irrational.
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  Nate engaged. This doesn't change how I feel.
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  This rotation still needed help. Carlos Rodin is.
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  I don't know what that is. I don't.
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  I don't know if someone like copied and pasted and and
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  brought this new mustache list Carlos Rodin out who throws like
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  7 miles an hour lower than what he normally throws.
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  I don't know what that is. Nestor Cortez.
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  I'm getting a lot of like Jeremy Lynn Vibes.
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  You were very nice flash in the pan success, a fun creative you
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  know fan favorite type picture. But I'm starting to get a
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  little, I don't know what you are because you're not overly
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  healthy and now that you are healthy, I'm going to read into
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  your numbers kind of getting kind of getting beat up in
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  spring training and there's certain things you can take away
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  from spring training. I can't.
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  I'm. I'm not going to sit here and
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  say that all spring training things are a Washington and just
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  put it under the umbrella of its exhibition.
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  It doesn't matter. There are certain names for
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  every team. Every fan base has names that
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  they're going to watch closely to see.
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  Are you looking better than the last time I saw you with the
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  idea that, OK, it's spring training, it's a little bit of a
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  slow ramp up period, but I'm worried this rotation has me
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  worried. The lack of depth was already
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  there without Cole. They already needed to add to
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  this rotation before Cole, so this news does not help.
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  So for any Yankees fans that felt like we were on the top of
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  the mountain. We were riding into the sunset
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  with Cole. I strongly disagree.
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  Strongly disagree. This rotation has holes and a
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  lot of question marks. So yeah, I'm nervous.
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  Obviously former, you know, Cy Young winner.
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  It's like, I think that I saw something.
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  Since 2017 he's made 30 plus starts every year.
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  The guy is literally a horse. Last 6/6 full seasons, 30 plus.
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  That's a horse. That's what you want.
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  That's why he got paid what he what he did.
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  So missing that absolutely hurts.
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  But I'm not going to sit here and say that this, this team was
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  already primed to be in the best possible position.
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  No, no way. No.
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  On to the Snell Monty stuff. They're at the luxury tax.
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  They're at the limit. So basically whatever they sign
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  from here, free agency wise, they're playing they're they're
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  going to be paying 110% of their of their contract in taxes.
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  So you're having to pay double and then some.
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  It's not going to happen. I don't know if limit is the
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  best word there. I think recommendation is
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  probably a better word if you're especially if you're the Yankees
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  setting yourself up. I mean pre cold news and again
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  we don't know that this is anything earth shattering for.
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  We still don't. Know or his future.
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  It's not official. Don't know it.
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  It's never necessarily a good sign that a guy's getting an
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  MRI, but with that said, pretend like that news didn't happen and
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  you're you're heading into the season as is.
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  Maybe you add you add a Blake Snell or even a Jordan
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  Montgomery, even though that's not likely.
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  Let's just let's just say hypothetically you add Blake
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  Snell, you have to go for it. You have to go for it this year
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  and if that requires you go shooting past the the the tax
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  threshold, you gotta do it. You you have to do it.
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  You you were becoming the punchline of a joke that has
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  lasted since 2009. It's. 15 years.
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  That's what we're talking about here.
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  And I know, I know, I'm wanting to talk.
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  I get it. The Red Sox guy making comment
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  about how long it's been since world.
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  I get that. But as a Yankees, you have to
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  want more. You have to expect more and if
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  you're this is this has to be you could correct me if I'm
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  wrong. Again pre Garrett cold news
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  today this has to have been one of the best positions they've
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  been in a long time. Yeah even even with the question
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  marks surrounding the rotation. If those question marks don't
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  pan out the way that you would hope they wouldn't you you might
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  actually have 1/2 decent rotation by the All Star break
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  and then you plug in the holes. I I don't know if worrying about
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  the the luxury tax at this point in time it is or should be of of
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  great. Concern for them.
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  It's understandable. Like snow.
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  I I what I put in my notes, I feel like Dylan sees might be
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  back on the table if this is long term.
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  And when I say long term, I'm saying months, if months of
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  Garrett Cole are missed because let's be honest, if you're
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  getting an MRI right now, I'm going to go ahead and say best
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  case scenario, you're going to be shut down for two weeks.
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  And then there's another ramp up period and possibly a rehab
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  starter too. I think best case scenario,
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  we're not seeing Garrett Cole again until May, early May.
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  And that's best case scenario. Worst case scenario, like you
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  were saying, maybe months, maybe the year, maybe into next year.
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  I don't know. Dylan sees I.
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  To me, I I feel like the the price tag was high.
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  Obviously that's why a lot of teams backed out.
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  I'm trying to see a a world where maybe some of these names
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  in Yankee prospect land have impressed.
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  Spencer Jones looks pretty ready, pretty legit.
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  Outside of that, I'm kind of, I don't know, like Jason Dominguez
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  isn't going anywhere. I think the fact that he's
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  cracked in and had immediate success and kind of already had
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  the fan base behind him a little bit, I, I and we've waited years
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  for him. I don't think that's going
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  anywhere. But the only world I see is, is
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  I mean I think Monty won seven years.
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  I think that's the report we keep seeing.
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  I think I could see like a Matt Chapman esque contract for Blake
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  Snell with opt outs and and things like that.
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  But either way you're going over the the tax threshold.
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  So the only thing I see is maybe trading for somebody who is a
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  front of the rotation guy and you're giving up a ton of names
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  and you're getting that guy and cash back to free you up a
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  little bit. So that's why to me, Dylan sees
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  seems like a better option than Snell or Monty.
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  But I don't know, I really don't know because what does that
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  entail? Like is, is Glaber Torres back
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  back on the block? Because I mean, he's set to be a
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  free agent after this year. Like you, you got to have big
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  league names pretty much ready to go and ready to go in that in
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  that deal. So I don't know it changes a
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  lot. For me it changes a lot.
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  George Lombard junior young shortstop, probably not this
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  year. I would say he's more like a
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  20252026 ready guy And then Chase Hampton is a is a another
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  arm who's pretty close. I don't know, man, but the Soto
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  deal was amazing and I think you got to do it even though it just
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  absolutely wiped out the depth. But to sit here and say we're
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  just going to punt, somewhat, punt for a year and hope that
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  Soto just falls in love with New York and is willing to sign an
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  extension here without a deep run into the postseason, that's
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  not enough. That's not going to be enough.
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  He needs more. He deserves more.
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  So. And Judge ain't getting younger.
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  Rizzo ain't getting younger. You know what I mean?
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  Like they got to go. Yeah, that's a good point about
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  the postseason. That taste of the postseason is
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  vital for keeping. Got to have that keeping him
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  long term. Especially in that environment,
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  you know what I mean? I've been to postseason games in
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  Yankee Stadium. It's different.
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  It's different. He's got to feel that.
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  He's got to fall in love with that.
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  Not just the city, not just regular season.
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  Not just that because there is going to be frustration, there
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  is going to be failure and this fan base holds back on no one
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  when there's failure. So if he trips at any point
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  during the season and it's a bad year, I don't see him coming
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  back. I don't see him wanting to to
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  sign here in free agency. We mentioned you mentioned the
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  name I want to touch on real quick because this was also a
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  concern for Yankee Land on Twitter today, Aaron Judge.
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  Another lie. What are we doing, dude?
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  Didn't lie to again, are we, though?
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  Are we are we sure Aaron Judge just isn't as soft as Charmin
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  because this was the same guy that had to miss time due to
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  travel related soreness, whatever that means.
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  The the team I looked I, I, I I took some time today to dig
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  around into the Yankees flight accommodations.
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  They fly on a on a Delta Boeing 757, and granted, I did find out
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  today that they apparently have to pay for their own Wi-Fi,
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  which is kind of wild. Come on, Delta, Oakland.
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  Days of Moneyball. Of the Moneyball.
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  Days we had to pay for it on soda.
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  But but they fly on a 757. How?
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  How are you gonna tell me? And that if I recall the the the
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  flight that he took that warranted the travel related
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  soreness, comments and missing time.
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  It was a rather short flight, so are we sure, Aaron judges.
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  I'm not spring training this. We can't just wrap this around
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  Aaron Judge every team like we know, we know this Billy Upler
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  just got suspended for manipulating the IL that every
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  team does this. And when you have eyes on a
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  superstar, you have to build some type of some type of
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  evidence if you will, manufacturer evidence for a
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  possible IL stint. That's what it feels like every
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  time one of these guys does something.
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  Because if it is like play induced, we're going to sit
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  there and watch replays of how he ran the bases, how he crashed
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  in the wall, how he swung like where did that injury happen,
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  how did it happen? Why didn't he let up if it was
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  right there? So we just chalk it up under
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  random stuff, Random made-up things that I've never heard of.
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  What is Mids? What?
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  What is Midspring beat up? That's that.
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  What is that? I did see a video circulating
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  that didn't look great. It looked like he maybe had
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  tweaked something, didn't didn't like the follow through or
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  something, so I don't that may be it.
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  I don't know. I don't know.
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  But he doesn't. The guy is beat up.
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  It's you're in Florida, where it's like 70° every day this
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  time of year. Yeah.
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  And you, you get maybe two of bats and then you hit the
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  showers. What are we talking about?
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  I don't know. I genuinely don't know.
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  That's what I'm saying. In the in the, in the tow thing
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  we were told wasn't an issue last year and then all of a
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  sudden it required surgery and he's out a few months.
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  It's we just we get lied to and I think every organization does
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  this but like the Yankees are just it's it's miserable at this
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  point. We're miserable.
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  You this this is all you do smoke and mirrors.
• 24:18
  So I don't know. I don't know.
• 24:21
  But to those Yankee fans that were saying we were going to
• 24:25
  walk away with the trophy, I mean it.
• 24:28
  It could happen. Don't get me wrong.
• 24:29
  I'm optimistic about this team. I feel good about where they're
• 24:32
  at when healthy. But I've said that for I don't
• 24:40
  know how many consecutive years with the when healthy tagline
• 24:46
  attached to everything just doesn't happen.
• 24:50
  So is what it is dude. But add to this rotation I will
• 24:56
  say my last thoughts. Clayton Beater and Luis Heel
• 25:01
  both look excellent. Luis Heel coming off of TJ
• 25:06
  pumping ched today. So that does make me feel better
• 25:11
  about young depth. But again, like so many question
• 25:17
  marks on the pitching staff right now, that I don't feel
• 25:19
  confident at all. Yeah, that rotation is some
• 25:24
  cheeks, Brian Baio signs an speaking.
• 25:29
  Of rotations that are Cheeks. Come on, that's that was a
• 25:32
  layup. Boston Red Sox.
• 25:34
  It's a layup. The Overlook.
• 25:36
  Baio signs a six year, $55 million contract extension.
• 25:43
  How much six Year 65. 55 Yeah. So Cheeks, man, this rotation is
• 25:52
  some garbage we got before this extension.
• 25:54
  I'd put out AI, put out a post. It said it was something along
• 25:58
  the lines of like we've got 3 mid to late rotation arms or mid
• 26:05
  to back end rotation arms and two relievers in Garrett
• 26:09
  Whitlock and Tanner Hauck. Yeah.
• 26:15
  But even with my negativity surrounding this rotation, I
• 26:21
  have to say this, this was a bright spot for me.
• 26:24
  I I was excited and I know I haven't been the biggest Brian
• 26:27
  I've. In fact I've been pretty far
• 26:30
  from being the big, the biggest Brian Baio guy.
• 26:32
  Like I just I haven't quite seen what the hype is about.
• 26:39
  I think. I think a lot of the hype is
• 26:41
  rooted in projections. But with that said, the one
• 26:48
  thing that I'm still holding out for is having faith in what
• 26:54
  Pedro Martinez said about this guy.
• 26:56
  And he's been quoted multiple times in in a variety of
• 26:59
  different ways, essentially with the same message, saying that
• 27:03
  when he sees this kid, he sees himself.
• 27:06
  So I'm going, if Pedro is working with these guys,
• 27:11
  specifically with Brian Baio, and he says that I'm going to
• 27:18
  withhold judgment for a little while longer to see if this guy
• 27:21
  really, if this kid can really blossom into something special.
• 27:24
  Because we're not just talking about some off the street
• 27:30
  pitching coach here. We're talking about Pedro
• 27:31
  Martinez, one of the greatest pitchers of all time who again
• 27:35
  works with these guys. He's not just he's not just up
• 27:38
  in the studio observing from a distance he's down in the he's
• 27:42
  down. It's spring training with these
• 27:44
  guys. He's working with these guys off
• 27:45
  to the side one on ones type stuff like that.
• 27:48
  So if he's if again if he's saying this about him I'm not
• 27:51
  going to I'm not going to jump to any conclusions just yet.
• 27:53
  But I will say I'm excited to see what this what this or how
• 27:59
  this pans out for him and the team because it's a very team
• 28:03
  friendly deal and if he if he ends up being anything again
• 28:06
  like what Pedro's saying, this is going to be a steal.
• 28:11
  You're getting him. If I recall you're getting him
• 28:14
  through the rest of his ARB years and you're getting him for
• 28:20
  one. You're buying out the first year
• 28:22
  free agency and I believe is there an option.
• 28:25
  I think there's an option for the for 7th year I'd have to go
• 28:29
  back and double check but at you know, I don't know, I don't know
• 28:34
  what this year holds for him. I mean sure we can sit and and
• 28:37
  and look ahead to the next 5-6 years.
• 28:40
  But going back to our original point about this rotation just
• 28:43
  being Cheeks, I just saw the the update today.
• 28:47
  Lucas. Lucas Giolito is officially
• 28:49
  undergoing surgery and as I mentioned you're working with
• 28:53
  the, you're working with a a few relievers in the mix here to be
• 28:57
  party rotation. So that's not a great place to
• 28:59
  be. Last year I pulled some numbers.
• 29:03
  Brian Baio went 12 and 11 with a 424 and had 132 strikeouts to 45
• 29:09
  walks and 157 innings. His fit was actually worse.
• 29:15
  He had a 454 fit last year. So it's not exactly like he was
• 29:19
  unlucky. He just he had a had a bump
• 29:22
  year. He had he had his moments
• 29:24
  certainly throughout the year he had he had a couple runs couple
• 29:28
  glimpses of dominance but I don't know man I I to to put a
• 29:34
  bow on it. I I think I have finally reached
• 29:38
  a point where I've decided on my outlook for this year.
• 29:43
  I'm gonna stay positive because I'm tired of just, I'm tired of
• 29:52
  being negative about this team. And it's not that I all of a
• 29:55
  sudden think they're gonna do something special.
• 29:57
  But at this point I'm like, OK, let's let's see if we can pull
• 30:01
  something out of the hat. And a realization that I came to
• 30:05
  the other day is like, I don't have to.
• 30:08
  I don't have to just continually beat down this team as as my my,
• 30:16
  I don't know, rebellion against John Henry.
• 30:24
  I can still. I can still TuneIn.
• 30:27
  I can still watch it. And that goes with any.
• 30:28
  Team. Who's at a point with with
• 30:30
  ownership where they're just so fed up with their team's owners?
• 30:33
  Like, yeah, I know it's possible.
• 30:35
  I just haven't done it up to this point, but I've I I've
• 30:39
  gotten to a point now where I have to, I have to have
• 30:42
  something to look forward to because it's it's been, yeah,
• 30:45
  the last, the last. Couple of years and that's I
• 30:47
  mean you you have to there. I think there's a balance
• 30:50
  between like being realistic of where the, where this the the
• 30:55
  team is, you know what I mean like where are they at at this
• 30:57
  moment and also being somewhat critical like you you can you
• 31:02
  can be critical, you can be realistic but you can also be
• 31:05
  supportive. So I don't see an issue with
• 31:09
  what you're doing. I'm the same way I'm you've seen
• 31:15
  all of our fan base last 24 hours.
• 31:17
  So that's just how we operate as far as Baio goes financially
• 31:22
  speaking. I mean, look like upside is
• 31:28
  maybe A1, downside is a four or five for that dollar amount, Who
• 31:38
  cares? You know what I'm saying?
• 31:39
  Like that's that's an absolutely perfect deal.
• 31:43
  If he blows up, you're you're getting what I would assume his
• 31:47
  prime. He's 24 right now.
• 31:50
  So like you're probably going to get his prime at some point
• 31:53
  during this contract and you're going to really see what he's
• 31:56
  made of. For those unfamiliar with his
• 31:59
  game, I know you talked on some of his numbers from last year.
• 32:03
  Big ground ball guy 92. Ground ball percentage, 92%.
• 32:10
  That's nuts. Crazy sinker, change up.
• 32:15
  Fastball, Slider. I think a sinker is probably his
• 32:20
  number one pitch rank. Is change up I I believe but.
• 32:25
  The well, usage wise, usage wise, Sinker is the number one
• 32:32
  ranked 26 in in run value on a sinker last year.
• 32:37
  So I fully, I don't really like fully understand that stat yet.
• 32:40
  So please hold on me on that one.
• 32:42
  I'm going to figure that out, whatever that means.
• 32:47
  Just to give you an idea, Chris Bassett was at the top of the
• 32:50
  list with sinker. But either way I mean this the
• 32:55
  guy, the guy's just crazy with ground ball.
• 32:59
  So and that's what you need in Fenway, you know you need that
• 33:04
  kind of guy. So I I.
• 33:08
  He's. Probably just not a big
• 33:11
  strikeout guy, you know what I mean?
• 33:13
  He's probably not going to be like the typical ace that you
• 33:16
  look at. If you see upside, see, like a
• 33:20
  Logan Webb, you know what I mean?
• 33:23
  Like a Logan Webb borderline ace.
• 33:26
  Really, really decent numbers. Huge ground ball guy and not
• 33:33
  doing it, your typical, you know, Cy Young way, probably
• 33:41
  going to have a lot of hits that that creep through, probably
• 33:44
  going to have some runs scored against them.
• 33:45
  So to sit here and say he's going to have a dominant ERA,
• 33:48
  probably not Sit here and say he's going to be, you know, a
• 33:52
  top five ace in the league. I'm going to probably say no on
• 33:55
  that too, unless he develops something else.
• 33:59
  But to have a four pitch guy, to have a guy that is young and
• 34:05
  seems to be enough to to ride in on some innings, I don't hate
• 34:13
  the deal. I really don't like financially.
• 34:16
  It makes a lot of sense. I'm just trying to figure out
• 34:20
  like how many guys Pedro is going to endorse because I feel
• 34:23
  like we're we're getting real deep on that list.
• 34:25
  I feel like any young Dominican but.
• 34:28
  In house. So in House I I I think Pedro I
• 34:33
  don't he wouldn't know me from Adam but I I would venture to
• 34:37
  say that he he recognizes that his endorsement in house carries
• 34:42
  a little bit more weight. So I I think an endorsement of a
• 34:45
  Brian Baio is going to like I said he he knows that's going to
• 34:49
  carry a little bit more weight than him signing off on some guy
• 34:52
  on Atbs broadcast in the postseason.
• 34:55
  Like I I I think we're looking at two different things here.
• 34:58
  So I again I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna ride this out I'm
• 35:01
  gonna I'm gonna take him at his at his word because he's
• 35:04
  obviously seeing something and like I said it's not this hasn't
• 35:08
  been a one time thing. He's continually like zeroed in
• 35:11
  on this guy and said I see myself in him and I don't think
• 35:15
  that's something that he just throws around loosely Again,
• 35:18
  yeah, in House especially so. Also, real quick, fixing my
• 35:22
  notes here, 'cause I was a little scattered, put in my
• 35:25
  notes ranks in the 92nd percentile for ground law
• 35:28
  percentage. My apologies there.
• 35:32
  Yeah, I I don't know, man. I I think it's.
• 35:34
  I think it's a solid deal. I don't think it's anything,
• 35:37
  it's not a splash, it's not something.
• 35:39
  But like like you said, you got to have something you can feel
• 35:41
  excited about and like worst case scenario, this guy's going
• 35:45
  to be solid in your rotation for the next 5-6 years and maybe
• 35:52
  upside ceiling. He's a, he's a, he's #1I don't
• 35:59
  hate it. We shall see.
• 36:02
  Joey Votto agreed to a minor league deal with the Toronto
• 36:07
  Blue Jays. Going back home.
• 36:11
  I think if there was one team that he was going to end his or
• 36:16
  follow up rather his Cincy tenure with, I think this one
• 36:19
  makes the most sense. I think it's the only one that
• 36:22
  makes sense if we're being honest.
• 36:24
  Especially when you consider where he's at in his career what
• 36:28
  you're most likely going to get from him.
• 36:30
  I don't think venture to say probably safe to say you're not
• 36:35
  going to get a 40 Homer season out of Joey Votto at 40 plus.
• 36:40
  So if anything it's a nice it's a nice little reunion with with
• 36:47
  old Canada. The fans seem to be on board
• 36:52
  with it and even if the even if the honeymoon phase fiddles out,
• 36:56
  it's still, it's still going to lend itself the the acquisition
• 37:00
  is going to lend itself to some pretty cool moments throughout
• 37:04
  the year. And if this is it for him, if
• 37:07
  this is just a one year thing because he did say he, he was
• 37:11
  quoted as saying I don't want to let go and I still feel like I
• 37:14
  have ability. The last couple years I was not
• 37:16
  as healthy as I would as I would have liked to have been.
• 37:21
  I think we can look at this and say Blue Jays probably getting a
• 37:25
  year out of Joey Votto and then he's stepping away.
• 37:27
  So with that said, I think if we get to the end and it's just
• 37:34
  been a pretty down year for Joey Votto, at the very least he'll
• 37:39
  be able to walk off into the Canadian sunset with a very
• 37:46
  noteworthy career under his belt.
• 37:52
  This was a non roster signing, yeah.
• 37:56
  So he's not on the 40 man, correct?
• 37:58
  NRI yeah, but he based on what he was saying he because he was
• 38:02
  pretty active on social after the after the deal he he used
• 38:07
  the words working back to Major League games or or something of
• 38:11
  that variation. So how much of this is a is a
• 38:15
  two week tryout? That's what I want to know.
• 38:21
  I mean it's. I look, I'm with him, rooting
• 38:29
  for him just as much. I would like to see some
• 38:32
  success. I'm with him.
• 38:35
  I I think you have to look at his health and I I know it got
• 38:39
  real ugly there in the at the end and since he, I understand.
• 38:42
  But you have to think that Joey Votto makes the 40 man.
• 38:47
  No, I mean, what are we talking about?
• 38:51
  I've looked at their roster. Really just depends on who's got
• 38:54
  options and and where. I mean Daniel.
• 38:57
  Vogelbach's in the mix, so. That's what I That's kind of
• 39:00
  where my head went and he's kind of raking right now in spring
• 39:03
  training. So it's like if he's trying to
• 39:05
  break camp with the team and and the DH spot is so interesting.
• 39:14
  It's so interesting because like Justin Turner the only time he's
• 39:20
  playing in the field is going to be at first base and that means
• 39:24
  Vlad is DH ING. So like are you going to carry 2
• 39:30
  lefty? I hate to say it, pretty
• 39:34
  unathletic. DH is that are deep into their
• 39:40
  career between Vogelbach and Joey Votto.
• 39:43
  I think it's a competition between those two.
• 39:47
  But Vogelbach is a guy like when he was in New York, Mets fans
• 39:51
  were trying to run that dude out of town.
• 39:53
  Like, the lineup would drop each night and you'd see.
• 39:56
  Or each afternoon and you'd see Vogelbach in the lineup and Mets
• 40:01
  fans. And the replies were I
• 40:04
  understand. I hear you.
• 40:04
  They're miserable. Rational people, I get that.
• 40:06
  But like, let's not pretend. Yeah, he's having a he's having
• 40:10
  a decent start to the spring. But let's not pretend like
• 40:13
  Daniel Vogelbach is going to maintain any level of
• 40:16
  consistency in 2024. So at the end of the day, it's
• 40:19
  really, you could think of it as a coin flip and it's, it's a
• 40:22
  matter of would you rather have a guy like Joey Votto?
• 40:25
  Yeah. Who has a vet who has a veteran
• 40:28
  presence? Who I think I'm again I'm with
• 40:32
  him. I think he's got a little bit
• 40:33
  left in the tank so I'm not going to sit I I don't want to
• 40:36
  make it sound like I'm just chalking this up to some
• 40:38
  farewell tour. For a guy who's been around as
• 40:41
  long as he has. I I genuinely think he's got he
• 40:44
  can provide a little bit of output for that line up and for
• 40:49
  that team over the course of 162.
• 40:53
  But if if if we're talking about two sides of the same coin here,
• 40:57
  I'm going Joey Votto I'm sorry like.
• 41:01
  Oh yeah, with Daniel Mogelbach. I agree.
• 41:04
  So I agree that. I'm just saying decision.
• 41:06
  To be made. I'm just saying there's a lot of
• 41:07
  question marks around the corner infield in DH roles for the Blue
• 41:12
  Jays. And does this move the needle
• 41:14
  for you at all for the overall Toronto Blue Jays 2024
• 41:19
  performance? No.
• 41:22
  It's a fun story. That's about it, right?
• 41:25
  Yeah, it's. I think you work.
• 41:26
  Yeah, OK. I just wanted to get it down to
• 41:30
  what it is. I apologize if I made it sound
• 41:33
  like this was pushing them over the edge to like at the division
• 41:35
  crown. That's not what I'm saying.
• 41:38
  I'm simply saying if this is if this is what you're taking into
• 41:44
  the season, some decisions are going to have to be made a la
• 41:48
  Daniel Vogelbach, Joey Vato, throw in Justin Turner into the
• 41:52
  mix because he's not getting any younger either.
• 41:54
  There's a lot of a lot of pieces of play, a lot of guys that are
• 41:57
  gonna need some days off, whether literally on the bench
• 42:00
  or slide into the DH slot for a little bit, You know, Vlad
• 42:04
  Vladi's not old by any stretch, but he's gonna need his time off
• 42:08
  too. I I What had happened to the
• 42:11
  Blue Jays? What has happened?
• 42:15
  Where did where did they go wrong?
• 42:18
  There's so many I'm like, is Kevin Biggio starting segue?
• 42:24
  Is Espinal playing mostly 1/3 is.
• 42:27
  How often is IKF getting into the line up?
• 42:30
  Justin Turner's never going to play third again.
• 42:33
  So are we just going to play first?
• 42:36
  I've heard reports of like because JD Davis just got
• 42:38
  released and Blue Jays still need a true third baseman.
• 42:41
  Like there's so many question marks around this team, I I
• 42:48
  think they're going to hit their staff is good.
• 42:53
  Don't get me wrong. I I'm very envious of their
• 42:56
  staff. I think we can speak for both
• 42:58
  fan bases here between the Red Sox and Yanks to say I would
• 43:01
  happily take their pitching staff.
• 43:04
  Absolutely. I'm just not quite sure of like
• 43:09
  what it looks like moving forward.
• 43:11
  What's the direction? And this is awfully Yankee like,
• 43:19
  if you don't mind me saying, this is awfully forced puzzle
• 43:25
  pieces into the wrong spots for being honest.
• 43:32
  But I love Joey Votto. I love the character of Joey
• 43:39
  Votto. It is absolute perfection that
• 43:43
  he's going back home north of the border.
• 43:47
  I think there's going to be Canadian baseball fans, whether
• 43:51
  you're Blue Jay fans or not, showing up to games to show that
• 43:54
  guy some love. I just I I sense that this will
• 44:00
  not have the best ending. I was just about to say how, how
• 44:06
  quickly, as I mentioned, does the honeymoon phase run out.
• 44:09
  Yeah. And like, oh Canada, this is
• 44:12
  great. Bring Canada's boy back home.
• 44:16
  And then June rolls around and we're calling for his head.
• 44:19
  Yeah, he's hitting out. He's hitting because 20.
• 44:22
  He's taking up a roster spot. We've seen this before.
• 44:25
  It happens to everybody. And if it's if it can happen to
• 44:28
  anybody, it can happen to Joey Votto.
• 44:33
  I'm just saying I think there was a much better role if he
• 44:38
  retired and joined the Three O Take Podcast and Fantasy League.
• 44:41
  I just thought it was a better fit, personally.
• 44:46
  It it the the the pathway was there it I mean.
• 44:50
  It was a little more clear, that's.
• 44:51
  We laid the foundation for him, we tagged him in the post.
• 44:55
  We sent the message, it was there, but he he said, you know
• 44:59
  what, you know what I'm going to choose to believe he he somehow
• 45:05
  saw the message and then he's mentally, he didn't respond
• 45:09
  back, but mentally he said I'm gonna put a pin in that.
• 45:15
  I'm gonna go out. And I'd I'd like to think that.
• 45:18
  And leave everything out on the field.
• 45:20
  Knowing I have this, yeah. Yeah, in 2025 that.
• 45:24
  'D be a good get. That would be a good get.
• 45:29
  That's what I'm gonna choose to believe.
• 45:31
  I'm also gonna choose to believe that Mookie Betts by the end of
• 45:36
  the year, will have played every position on the diamond.
• 45:39
  Because Dave Roberts clearly doesn't care.
• 45:43
  Dave Roberts cares more about sliding Gavin Lux over, because
• 45:48
  apparently he's just that bad at short than he does.
• 45:55
  The health, the stability of his, of his MVP.
• 46:01
  In. How about the?
• 46:03
  How about the? Oxymoron of quotes.
• 46:05
  Permanent for now. What does that mean?
• 46:08
  That That's not a thing. That's literally not permanent.
• 46:14
  That's not a thing do. We know what permanent means.
• 46:18
  Apparently not, because that was a that was a Dave thing, right?
• 46:21
  That was a Dave thing. That was a Dave quote.
• 46:23
  Come on, Dave. What is that dude permanent for
• 46:29
  now? OK, so he's going to he's going
• 46:32
  to be there at short and then what does.
• 46:36
  The jokes aside I'm genuinely curious what the condition is
• 46:40
  that qualify or that that lends itself to the for now like what
• 46:45
  what has to happen for this to not be a thing because on paper
• 46:50
  you look at it knowing what we know now about Gavin Lux and his
• 46:53
  little mini tryout here at Short not being able to get I I was
• 46:57
  looking into it a little bit more.
• 46:58
  Apparently he's just not able to make the he's not able to get
• 47:01
  the throws across the diamond the same way Mookie can, who
• 47:04
  again was an infielder coming up in the system in Boston.
• 47:09
  He's played, he played in the infield, he played in the
• 47:11
  infield a fair amount last year and is sprinkled in throughout.
• 47:18
  What has to happen for this to not be a thing because as I was
• 47:22
  saying on paper it it I'm OK with it.
• 47:25
  I don't like that you you slid him into second full time and
• 47:28
  then immediately shifting gears. I don't.
• 47:30
  Like I don't like any of this personally.
• 47:33
  I mean, I that's what I'm saying though I'm OK with him at short
• 47:36
  like if this is if this is the decision, that's fine.
• 47:40
  Second base to short. He I'm fully confident that he
• 47:43
  can handle. He can handle both.
• 47:46
  Maybe. Let's not move him over to
• 47:47
  third. Maybe Let's just keep.
• 47:49
  Him. Yeah.
• 47:49
  Let's just relax, yeah? This this side here, but I just,
• 47:55
  I'm curious to know what he meant by that when he said for
• 47:58
  now, like what has to happen for him to maybe move back to second
• 48:02
  or God forbid back to the outfield.
• 48:06
  I think First off, I feel bad for Gavin locks, yeah.
• 48:11
  And for those who, you know, didn't remember, he tours ACL
• 48:15
  last year. And I think that's the issue of
• 48:19
  what's going on right now, 'cause I did a little deep dive
• 48:22
  in the in the Baseball Savant and going back to 2020 2 Gavin
• 48:32
  Lung, Gavin Lux ranked in the 8th percentile for arm strength.
• 48:40
  8th arm strength has always been an issue for this kid.
• 48:44
  So when you mix in a knee injury and what kind of seems to me
• 48:49
  like slow, still rehabby footwork and probably not a
• 48:57
  whole lot of drive off the legs because like as in you and I
• 49:03
  both played the infield and anybody that played understands
• 49:06
  that like your legs and your feet and your momentum for that
• 49:09
  throw do most of the work. It's less about the arm.
• 49:14
  You either have arm strength or you don't, especially at this
• 49:18
  age. You either have it or you don't.
• 49:20
  You're not going to, I mean you're not 15 and we're not
• 49:22
  going to go tell you to do more long toss.
• 49:24
  You know what I mean? Like it's it just is what it is,
• 49:27
  but the footwork and the legs have to be there.
• 49:29
  So post ACL injury, like it just doesn't look good.
• 49:33
  It didn't even look good at second base, still doesn't look
• 49:36
  good. It's very choppy.
• 49:38
  It's very like there's just there's no fluid movement going
• 49:41
  on. And for those curious, Mookie,
• 49:51
  obviously being you know a right fielder, most of his career's
• 49:54
  pretty high in the in the arm strength category so that's
• 49:56
  fine. But they're both like opposite.
• 50:00
  So like Gavin Lux, no arm strength, plenty of range.
• 50:04
  Mookie, plenty of arm strength, average range, somewhat below
• 50:10
  average. I looked up last year you said
• 50:15
  spent some time, let's get nerdy for a SEC.
• 50:17
  Spent some time at second base, 98 innings, -2 outs, above
• 50:23
  average at that position. Did have three errors.
• 50:28
  But like overall, like that's that's not bad.
• 50:32
  I just, he's only had 116 games in the infield in his career and
• 50:39
  I don't think people understand that.
• 50:41
  Like, I get it. It's Mookie and we've seen him
• 50:44
  do whatever he wants to do on pretty much all sports
• 50:48
  platforms. The guy's a freak.
• 50:53
  But making the transition to short is not easy.
• 50:56
  Shortstop is not easy on a daily grind basis.
• 51:03
  I don't know, man. This definitely wasn't Plan A,
• 51:07
  but it's hard for me to think that Gavin Lux coming off of an
• 51:10
  ACL injury was Plan A, you know what I mean?
• 51:16
  Like that was really your thought process coming into this
• 51:19
  year. Was that that guy was going to
• 51:21
  be your shortstop moving forward with the sprinkle of Miguel
• 51:27
  Rojas and Chris Taylor? Well, I mean, the vision for him
• 51:32
  had been short for a while and I would imagine it was probably
• 51:35
  tough for the for the Dodgers to let go of that vision finally.
• 51:38
  But it sounds like they all sat down.
• 51:41
  I read that Mookie, Gavin, Dave Roberts and maybe even somebody,
• 51:46
  some some front office folks sat down.
• 51:49
  They talked about it and you know, Mookie gave classic Mookie
• 51:54
  response. He's like, it's cool, man.
• 51:55
  He's like I'll. I'll.
• 51:57
  Literally do whatever. Just want to help the team win
• 51:59
  and I and to a degree I believe that.
• 52:02
  I know, I know I get on Mookie sometimes about saying things
• 52:07
  just to say them but generally speaking I I I think he clearly
• 52:12
  he's he's OK with the move. Otherwise I think we would have
• 52:16
  heard about a little bit more of a a disagreement but I I think
• 52:20
  to him second base to short, yeah, it's going to be a little
• 52:23
  bit more of an adjustment. But like I said he he's not new
• 52:26
  to the infield. I I I think he'll be OK.
• 52:32
  It may not be that it. May not be the prettiest, but to
• 52:36
  your point, it venture to say having Mookie at short is going
• 52:41
  to be a little bit better of a plan A or just status quo than
• 52:46
  having Gavin Lux coming off an ACL as your shortstop.
• 52:50
  I wonder if this brings in, and I think the permanent, going
• 52:54
  back to your question, permanent for now probably takes me the
• 52:58
  idea of like how it looks for the first half of the season up
• 53:02
  until the trade deadline. And then you probably bank on
• 53:07
  the Brewers not being in great shape and go get Willy Adamus.
• 53:13
  And I would go ahead and assume Gavin Lux would be in that deal
• 53:18
  plus some money plus some prospects.
• 53:21
  Mookie slides back to 2nd. It's just it's weird for me to
• 53:26
  say we're the LA Dodgers, we're going to go make a run out of
• 53:31
  trophy and we're going to say that's pretty good for a right
• 53:39
  fielder, for our everyday shortstop.
• 53:42
  I don't feel comfortable saying that.
• 53:45
  That's Fairpoint. We're the we're the Los Angeles
• 53:48
  Dodgers. We're going to spend over a
• 53:49
  billion dollars this offseason, but we're going to settle with
• 53:53
  Mookie Betts as our shortstop. Yeah, and don't get me wrong,
• 53:57
  I'm a Mookie fan. I love Mookie.
• 54:00
  I think he'll be great. I think he will be a Hall of
• 54:03
  Famer, and I think this speaks to just almost like a a pioneer
• 54:13
  of flexibility when it comes to being a defender.
• 54:23
  But it was enough of a stretch for me to say I'm a little
• 54:26
  nervous about him playing second base every day.
• 54:29
  Now I'm playing short every day. It's just it's a different,
• 54:32
  different beast, dude. Honestly, I I It may have been a
• 54:37
  stretch for you, but I I really liked the idea of him being an
• 54:42
  everyday second baseman. And, and and to put all this on
• 54:47
  a bow, this is to make sure that Jason Hayward plays right field
• 54:50
  every day. OK, sure.
• 55:03
  Look, this team is not, this team's going to bang.
• 55:05
  This team's going to freaking rake and they're going to pitch
• 55:08
  lights out. I think they will be top three
• 55:12
  in pitching across. Baseball defense is going to be
• 55:17
  one of their their Achilles heels, but I think they're going
• 55:21
  to be able to pitch and hit their way out of that.
• 55:24
  So this is going to be slightly swept under the rug.
• 55:29
  I'm just saying not the great option that you would be hoping
• 55:35
  for. I don't know.
• 55:36
  I just hope that poor defense does not take its toll over the
• 55:42
  course of the season on a rotation on AI won't say
• 55:46
  rotation, a mix, a mix of starters that are either dealing
• 55:51
  with something coming back from something presumably going to be
• 55:55
  dealt something throughout the over the course of the year.
• 55:58
  I just hope that that doesn't take its toll on a situation
• 56:01
  that's already like, yeah, I know they've got their guys,
• 56:03
  they've got Glass now, Yamamoto, so on and so forth, but.
• 56:08
  No Bueller. No Kershaw to start the year.
• 56:11
  So they're. Not going to be bulletproof in
• 56:13
  the rotation they'll they'll have a better rotation than
• 56:15
  most, but. The other question mark is Gavin
• 56:20
  Lux is not good against lefties. Do you do you platoon him?
• 56:29
  Who do you platoon him with? Do you platoon him with Chris
• 56:34
  Taylor playing second? You keep Mookie at short.
• 56:39
  Do you bring in Miguel Rojas to platoon with Lux and move Mookie
• 56:44
  back to second base during those days?
• 56:48
  It's cool that they have options.
• 56:50
  It's definitely cool. They have options and we've seen
• 56:54
  Muncie play second base too. So like, they can probably mess
• 56:57
  around and do some things. It's, I mean first World
• 57:03
  problems. Honestly, when you come to think
• 57:06
  about it, it is pretty much first world problems.
• 57:09
  Yeah, do we want to do? We want to have.
• 57:10
  Muki I wish I had shorts. Do we?
• 57:14
  Do we want to have an A gold Glover MVP caliber guy play
• 57:20
  short? Or do we want to stick him out
• 57:22
  and write where he's been for a while and and just let him focus
• 57:25
  on hitting, putting up 30 plus bombs every year?
• 57:29
  But yeah, it must be. Must be tough if you're the
• 57:31
  Dodgers, must be tough of your Trevor Bauer trying to make a
• 57:37
  comeback. We've already touched on this a
• 57:39
  little bit over the course of the offseason, but the recent
• 57:44
  development with his situation is that he made an appearance
• 57:47
  for the Asian Breeze Can. Someone fill me in on what that
• 57:52
  is. Yes, I have it right here.
• 57:54
  It's an independent travel team that helps players get
• 57:57
  recognized by scouts by having them play against minor league
• 58:01
  players from Major League Baseball.
• 58:03
  So it's specific to that, correct?
• 58:06
  That makes sense because he carved, didn't he?
• 58:10
  Ironically, against the Dodgers, yeah, he went three shut,
• 58:18
  striking out four. Think He loaded the bases early
• 58:21
  but got out of it so. In the upper 90s too.
• 58:26
  Think he topped out at 99 is what I read.
• 58:31
  Yeah. But it's against.
• 58:32
  Like I said it's against minor leaguers.
• 58:34
  Not to not to not to take anything away from him.
• 58:36
  I it was his in the in the articles I was reading they they
• 58:42
  made sure to mention that this was his first game, if you will,
• 58:47
  on American soil since since ultimately getting blackballed
• 58:54
  from the league a while back, but.
• 58:56
  Dang my tin. I don't know, man.
• 58:59
  I look, I won't reveal names. We had a group chat going a
• 59:05
  couple months ago saying that this this girl that exploited
• 59:11
  and did and like went to trial with him and all the stuff was
• 59:14
  like a Manfred plant because of how he was attacking Rob Manfred
• 59:19
  and attacking his, you know, commissioning.
• 59:23
  Is that proper language? Probably not.
• 59:26
  Let's go with it. I don't like him.
• 59:32
  I'm not a fan of his. He annoys me.
• 59:36
  You can apply that to Trevor Bauer and Rob Manfred, but I
• 59:38
  think we're. Talking about them, Trevor
• 59:40
  Bauer, But you're telling me there isn't a rotation that
• 59:47
  could use this right now. You're like, come on, there's
• 59:55
  something, there's, there's this.
• 59:58
  I think that's why he's so vocal.
• 1:00:01
  I think that's why he's like, so in your face, social, media
• 1:00:04
  wise, because it's like he's forcing their hand.
• 1:00:08
  He's going everywhere and showing everyone that I still
• 1:00:12
  got it. And the fact that I'm not
• 1:00:14
  getting calls is a bigger issue and has more to do with this
• 1:00:20
  dictator sitting in the Commissioner suit.
• 1:00:30
  I'll I'll buy that conspiracy. It's a lot of backlash, man.
• 1:00:34
  I'm telling you like say, which I we've we've talked about it
• 1:00:37
  and it's been addressed by by many outlets, many talking
• 1:00:41
  heads. We're not sharing anything you
• 1:00:43
  don't already know. We know how it how it panned out
• 1:00:47
  in the judicial system. Yep, like.
• 1:00:51
  We understand that, but it's clear that teams don't really
• 1:00:57
  care. Yep.
• 1:00:59
  Because if you think about it and I'm.
• 1:01:03
  I just can't talk it up to only public relations being the
• 1:01:06
  issue. I think you can.
• 1:01:08
  I can't. I don't think you.
• 1:01:10
  Can be the only one, because winning cures all.
• 1:01:13
  Winning will cure all. Yeah, but you have to get
• 1:01:17
  through the noise 1st to get to a point you're where you're
• 1:01:20
  winning. And I don't know if teams look
• 1:01:23
  at this and go we can weather the storm long enough because I
• 1:01:27
  that's going to be a heck of a storm.
• 1:01:29
  And I think to be fair to these front offices and these owners
• 1:01:34
  or whoever's making the final shot, the final call on to on
• 1:01:38
  whether or not to sign this guy. Credit to them, they're probably
• 1:01:43
  having discussions behind behind closed doors going, everyone in
• 1:01:48
  this room knows what happened legally in terms of the outcome
• 1:01:53
  and the result and all that judicially.
• 1:01:56
  But there are a lot of dumb baseball fans out there who
• 1:01:59
  maybe lack a lot of awareness, or at least enough awareness to
• 1:02:05
  maybe do a little bit of their own research and find out how it
• 1:02:08
  actually happened. What like how it panned out and
• 1:02:12
  instead are just going to fall back on the.
• 1:02:15
  Well, this guy's a rapist and he's gross and he's sick and I
• 1:02:17
  don't want him anywhere near my my favorite teams clubhouse.
• 1:02:23
  There's a lot. Again, say I'm not, I'm not.
• 1:02:26
  I'm not generalizing. I'm not.
• 1:02:28
  I'm not sweeping all of these baseball fans under the same rug
• 1:02:31
  here. But I think we've all, we've all
• 1:02:35
  had those water cooler conversations at work.
• 1:02:37
  We've all been in those group texts where people throw out
• 1:02:40
  some asinine takes on stuff like this.
• 1:02:44
  Where you go, it's very clear that you have no clue as to what
• 1:02:50
  actually happened. And whether or not this guy is,
• 1:02:53
  is, is technically guilty of of what he's being accused of.
• 1:02:57
  They just look at it and go, this guy is gross, he's a
• 1:03:00
  rapist. I want nothing to do with him,
• 1:03:02
  and that's that. And these, these owners, these
• 1:03:04
  owners in front offices have to take that into account and go
• 1:03:09
  again. We know what happened.
• 1:03:10
  But these fans don't are are choosing not to believe
• 1:03:14
  anything. Or they're they're not even
• 1:03:16
  aware of the outcome. I know we have to work through
• 1:03:19
  that, but there's so many, so many occurrences of PR issue
• 1:03:26
  players getting a second chance. Like Daryl Strawberry, Dwight
• 1:03:33
  Gooden having cocaine issues, right?
• 1:03:37
  You have this long list of steroid users that got hounded
• 1:03:42
  and and yeah, like. But in that, in that in those
• 1:03:45
  scenarios, drugs were rampant. Like steroids were rampant in
• 1:03:50
  this day and age and. So domestic, domestic violence
• 1:03:54
  stuff with history of a lot of players.
• 1:03:58
  Sure. But you had like one, a couple
• 1:04:01
  things you got to take into account here 1.
• 1:04:03
  The heightened awareness and attention given to that very
• 1:04:10
  issue. Like women like I, I don't want
• 1:04:14
  to get too deep into it, but like the me too movement and all
• 1:04:16
  that. So like a lot has happened in
• 1:04:18
  the last decade plus with these types of things.
• 1:04:23
  But hold on, I'll just finish my thought.
• 1:04:25
  I'll just finish my thought with those guys that you mentioned.
• 1:04:30
  You could for all intents and purposes you could you could
• 1:04:34
  round them out with their with the issue, fill in the blank,
• 1:04:38
  whatever it is, drugs, steroids, whatever you could.
• 1:04:42
  You could kind of put a bow around that and say that's how
• 1:04:46
  you're being defined. With Trevor Bauer you have to
• 1:04:48
  think he has this. He has his issues with with
• 1:04:54
  Manfred, he has the the drone issue he has spouting off on
• 1:05:00
  YouTube. He has just the arrogance that
• 1:05:04
  not a lot of people like it turns a lot of people off.
• 1:05:07
  There's just so much more he that he's too dimension like too
• 1:05:12
  multi dimensional when it comes to negativity.
• 1:05:14
  And I I don't think that that these front offices are going to
• 1:05:19
  want to put up with that. And it's clear to this point
• 1:05:21
  that nobody has taken that step forward to say we will.
• 1:05:27
  Yeah, I suppose. I mean, do you think this stink
• 1:05:31
  is is stinkier than, More lingering than the than the
• 1:05:36
  Astros than the scandal than the cheating and the.
• 1:05:42
  I mean like. No, but I mean, as we all know,
• 1:05:45
  man, and Manfred even said it himself didn't handle that the
• 1:05:48
  best way and people still let let the guys that were, I mean,
• 1:05:54
  who are we kidding? Not only the guys that were
• 1:05:56
  involved, but the guys that are on the team now that weren't
• 1:05:59
  even in the organization at the time, they they get their
• 1:06:01
  earful. So I'll tell you, man, baseball
• 1:06:07
  fans don't let you forget if they don't like you and they're
• 1:06:11
  and they're stuck in their ways, they're not changing their mind.
• 1:06:13
  They're going to let you know about it.
• 1:06:14
  And I think that's what's happening with Trevor Bauer
• 1:06:16
  here. It's hard to imagine you
• 1:06:22
  throwing 100 and not getting a shot.
• 1:06:30
  That's where we are, man. That's that's where we are with
• 1:06:33
  society and the fear of of blowback on something like this.
• 1:06:37
  Yeah. And like and again I want to
• 1:06:39
  speak for both of us here, we've addressed both sides of this.
• 1:06:43
  Like we understand that like there is, there is an inherent
• 1:06:48
  risk there regardless of the outcome.
• 1:06:50
  Like the there's just A to use your word, there's kind of a
• 1:06:53
  stink around it. But on the other side you have
• 1:06:57
  to look at the facts of the case and go is no team going to give
• 1:07:06
  this guy a shot? Is he?
• 1:07:09
  Is this it for him? Have we gotten to the end of the
• 1:07:12
  road for Trevor Bauer and Major League Baseball?
• 1:07:17
  I don't know. And if he doesn't get his shot,
• 1:07:20
  how does he ride this out? Does he run it back?
• 1:07:23
  Does he try to let it air out another year and make a another
• 1:07:28
  attempt in 2025? I would venture to say probably
• 1:07:31
  yes, because it's Trevor Bauer. This, I mean, it gives me Colin
• 1:07:35
  Kaepernick vibes, you know what I mean?
• 1:07:38
  Like, Kaepernick is still trying to send messages out.
• 1:07:42
  We played in like 6 years. So I think this is going to be
• 1:07:45
  around for a while is what it is.
• 1:07:52
  I don't know. Speaking of being around for a
• 1:07:54
  while, I think with the renderings that came out
• 1:07:59
  recently for the Oakland A's new Vegas ballpark, I think we're
• 1:08:04
  getting that much closer to the Oakland A's no longer being
• 1:08:08
  around in Oakland. But let me just say the
• 1:08:12
  renderings looks awfully familiar.
• 1:08:20
  Renderings look awfully familiar.
• 1:08:25
  I don't get that. A A particular Opera House in
• 1:08:29
  Australia, but we were informed by ownership that the Opera
• 1:08:37
  House in Sydney did not serve as inspiration for this project,
• 1:08:42
  although they look nearly identical.
• 1:08:47
  Yeah. Given given some of these white
• 1:08:50
  roofs, why did, Why did? It's got to be like a like a
• 1:08:56
  sustainability, like heat. What's it?
• 1:09:01
  Like a heat. Like a heat regulation thing of.
• 1:09:05
  This. You're not absorbing all that
• 1:09:08
  heat, but. I don't know.
• 1:09:10
  I. Don't know dude.
• 1:09:11
  Steer is black. So is Allegiant Stadium.
• 1:09:18
  I don't know. I think it's a Legion right.
• 1:09:20
  Or the Raiders play. I'm not a I'm not a sun
• 1:09:27
  scientist. Really thought they had that on
• 1:09:31
  the. Believe it or not, yeah, no, I'm
• 1:09:32
  not. Yeah, I whatever.
• 1:09:35
  I'm not I I'm over it. I don't want to talk about the
• 1:09:39
  A's. I don't even want to talk about
• 1:09:40
  the A's during the regular season.
• 1:09:42
  Well, I. I yes, I I'm with you on that.
• 1:09:45
  But can we just talk real quick about the quote UN quote
• 1:09:51
  Jumbotron in the rendering? Just hideous.
• 1:09:58
  This concept will never stick. And I'm not trying to sound like
• 1:10:02
  the guy that called the Internet a fad back in the day, but like,
• 1:10:05
  I I think, I think video board jumbotrons have been doing just
• 1:10:11
  fine. Why do we need to put like, this
• 1:10:13
  projection screen or it appears to be a projection projection
• 1:10:17
  screen? It says, like I read in the
• 1:10:20
  report, it says it's an 18,000 square foot video board, which
• 1:10:23
  will be the largest in Major League Baseball.
• 1:10:27
  But it looks like a projection screen because it's because of
• 1:10:31
  the curvature of the root or the the Dome.
• 1:10:34
  I guess they're calling it, which it's not even really a
• 1:10:36
  Dome because it's it's got an open back, which I don't really
• 1:10:40
  consider a Dome. Is it retractable or it's just
• 1:10:44
  stay that way? I don't know, man.
• 1:10:49
  That's what I'm and and the whole, which I'm sure it's not
• 1:10:52
  going to be this way in real life, but the whole interior in
• 1:10:55
  the rendering is like a green, a green glow.
• 1:10:59
  So are you telling me that the people sitting under the
• 1:11:01
  Jumbotron are going to look like Shrek for 9 innings every every
• 1:11:05
  night? Because that's going to get kind
• 1:11:07
  of old pretty quick. I did see a couple comments
• 1:11:13
  about the the Jumbotron though. And they said, they said of all
• 1:11:19
  of them, the comments were along lines of like of all the
• 1:11:21
  mistakes that they made, you know, like mimicking the Opera
• 1:11:25
  House, putting up this hideous Jumbotron.
• 1:11:27
  They at least got one thing right and it was leaving Anthony
• 1:11:30
  Rendon out of the lineup for the scoreboard mock up, which I have
• 1:11:35
  to, I have to agree with. And they also said.
• 1:11:37
  That that's incredible. They they said it's unrealistic
• 1:11:41
  in the sense that they're the Oakland A's wouldn't have that
• 1:11:45
  many players with that high of batting averages.
• 1:11:47
  And I have to agree with that one as well.
• 1:11:48
  So relax. Just relax.
• 1:11:51
  There. Just not a great, just not a
• 1:11:56
  great step, you know, if you're the the Oakland A's.
• 1:12:00
  Says nothing for me. I do like the open backdrop idea
• 1:12:06
  of like seeing the city. I do think that's kind of cool,
• 1:12:13
  but I don't know what that is. Is that are those windows?
• 1:12:16
  I I think it's enclosed. I think it is, yeah.
• 1:12:20
  So I think those are Windows an. Open back, yeah.
• 1:12:25
  I dread the idea of being a middle infielder and getting a
• 1:12:30
  cut off throw from left center if that's like a no wall kind of
• 1:12:36
  thing, just clear plexiglass or whatever, I don't know.
• 1:12:41
  Obviously renderings aren't like the final thing, so they're
• 1:12:44
  gonna make it up to baseball standards.
• 1:12:45
  But it I don't know, dude, I don't.
• 1:12:48
  But we've we've seen renderings that look a little better than
• 1:12:51
  this. I I hate it.
• 1:12:52
  I don't, I think. It's I stood on.
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  I'm I'm not going to even address in my mind or
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  acknowledge the fact that they're going to Vegas until
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  they're there. That's fair.
• 1:13:03
  Yeah, that's fair. I won't subject to the Oakland
• 1:13:09
  A's talk anymore that we can we can call it.
• 1:13:12
  We can call it there. Let's.
• 1:13:14
  March 11th, we're going to call it there.
• 1:13:17
  No more ACE talk. No more ace talk until they move
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  to Vegas, which I guess is like, what, 2029?
• 1:13:24
  2028 they're going to play in where?
• 1:13:29
  Sacramento. Sacramento, probably.
• 1:13:32
  The parking lot at the Colosseum.
• 1:13:34
  Freaking mess. It's a mess.
• 1:13:38
  MLB handles stuff so strangely sometimes, then in an
• 1:13:42
  embarrassing way sometimes. Yep, Yep, we're we're put.
• 1:13:47
  So all I'd say, we're putting a hiatus on Ace Talk until what,
• 1:13:51
  2029? 2028 That's the way Daddy likes
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  it. I'm OK with that.
• 1:13:55
  Yeah. I.
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  Don't hate that. Anything else you got?
• 1:14:01
  Man, buckle up for for Hot Takes episode.
• 1:14:04
  It's going to be fun up and probably set aside.
• 1:14:08
  I would go ahead and assume two hours of your day, multiple days
• 1:14:12
  maybe if you need to do it that way.
• 1:14:14
  Yep. Yeah, Yep.
• 1:14:15
  It's going to be at least two hours.
• 1:14:17
  We're going in heavy, We're going in deep.
• 1:14:20
  All of our our preview of divisional rankings and and
• 1:14:25
  player award ranking. I mean, we're going to get into
• 1:14:28
  some stuff. It's the best episode of the
• 1:14:31
  year. We're hype for it.
• 1:14:33
  Want you to get hype for it may have some surprises for you as
• 1:14:36
  well. Don't want to say what but.
• 1:14:42
  Hopefully or how many couple. Yeah, or how many.
• 1:14:47
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• 1:15:02
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• 1:15:09
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• 1:15:10
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• 1:15:20
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• 1:15:35
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• 1:15:39
  But. Think of that too.
• 1:15:43
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• 1:15:46
  Think I'm going to root against him no matter what.
• 1:15:49
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• 1:15:51
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• 1:15:57
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