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JFK Book Reviews - Marina Oswald By Joachim Joesten · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, and welcome to JFK Book Reviews, a
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  Speaker 1: division of the Lone Gum and Podcast. I'm Rob Clark,
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  Speaker 1: He's Joe Borelli, and today we're going to be reviewing
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  Speaker 1: the book Marina Oswald by Joakim Joston or Jokim Jostin
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  Speaker 1: whoever you want to say is name. Now that one
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  Speaker 1: of us have a physical copy of the book, hence
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  Speaker 1: the graphic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Rob, this is our first book
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  Speaker 2: that we've were reviewed by an author for the second
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  Speaker 2: time quite possibly.
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  Speaker 1: Probably won't be the last either, Probably won't be the
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  Speaker 1: last year. This book here was originally published in London
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven by Peter Donne Limited. The version
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  Speaker 1: that we have is a PDF version. It was redone
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  Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen by Dally Plaza UK Bernard Wiles, to
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  Speaker 1: be specific, from what we could find online. The original
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if it was if it was
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  Speaker 1: originally in Dutch or what the deal was, but apparently
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  Speaker 1: it was one hundred and sixty seven pages long. This
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  Speaker 1: version we have has been whittled down to sixty three.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just a translation thing or
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  Speaker 1: if they cut some stuff out of here when they
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  Speaker 1: rewrote it in twenty fifteen for Daily Plaza UK. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know one hundred percent, but this book contains thirteen
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  Speaker 1: short chapters. If I had a physical copy of the book, though,
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  Speaker 1: this thing would be skin and bones. Yes, I might
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  Speaker 1: fine if I was slapping this thing.
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  Speaker 2: If we had it real, you could do a.
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  Speaker 1: Perten and break it in half. I looked for this
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  Speaker 1: book on all the usual places, Joe, and it is
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  Speaker 1: not for sale anywhere. So if you can find a
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  Speaker 1: copy of this book somewhere, like in a rat As
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  Speaker 1: bookstore somewhere, you probably should scoop it up. Because I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't find a copy for sale anywhere. Luckily for you,
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  Speaker 1: Joe has found a free PDF copy, probably from archives
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  Speaker 1: dot org or whatever exactly, And we'll put the link
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  Speaker 1: in the description. If this book interests you and you
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  Speaker 1: can check it out, Yo. King Josn has written several
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  Speaker 1: JFK books, including Oswald Assassin or Fall Guy, Oswald The Truth,
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  Speaker 1: this one here Marina Oswald, and I believe another one
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  Speaker 1: called The Garrison Inquiry. Very short books. But he was
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  Speaker 1: one of these guys to put out a book before
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  Speaker 1: the Warren Commission report came out that would be Assassin
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  Speaker 1: or fall Guy. So, and there was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: good information in it. So, Joe, this book definitely has
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  Speaker 1: a conspiracy lean to it. So why don't you get
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  Speaker 1: us started here with the very slim portion of meat
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  Speaker 1: and potato.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think this book was published. It was
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  Speaker 2: published in nineteen sixty seven, but it was in between
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  Speaker 2: his first book Oswalt Assassin or Fall Guy nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 2: four pre Warm Report and Oswald The Truth nineteen sixty seven.
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  Speaker 2: This book was also sixty seven, so he was popping
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  Speaker 2: them out wrong. He was definitely popping them out. And
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  Speaker 2: let's see, it's kind of like a biographical, semi analytical
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  Speaker 2: account of Marina's whole life and as people familiar with
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  Speaker 2: the case might be, she had a very and had
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  Speaker 2: as she's still alive, very interesting life. And it also
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  Speaker 2: ties into his skepticism of the Warrant Commission's lone gunment conclusion.
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  Speaker 2: He kind of uses her story to probe some of
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  Speaker 2: the inconsistencies and the official narrative. He goes into some
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  Speaker 2: of her testimony, and like you mentioned, there are thirteen
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  Speaker 2: very short chapters and I'm going to read from a
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  Speaker 2: couple of them from the first chapter.
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  Speaker 1: This is called the entire book. It won't take very long.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, oh, we're not going to make this
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  Speaker 2: a thirty minute book review like last time. But this
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  Speaker 2: has caught me by this how the book starts, This
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  Speaker 2: has caught me by complete surprise, and naturally I was shocked.
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  Speaker 2: All I know about the plan for my son, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: this being Marguerite marrying Marina Oswald is what I have
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  Speaker 2: seen and read. I haven't talked to him yet. Thus
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  Speaker 2: old missus Porter, which I guess it was quoted after
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  Speaker 2: she married Porter, which was in uh yes, not Margarite.
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  Speaker 2: This is Porter's mother, Porter's mother, Okay. Bewildered by the
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  Speaker 2: sudden on Russian publicity, was trying to cope with the
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  Speaker 2: inquisitive inquisition into the questions the newsman crowding her around
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  Speaker 2: her modest home in West Texas. Chapter three, The Wayward Girl.
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  Speaker 2: One cannot even attempt to fathom the enigma of Marina's
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  Speaker 2: unwifely behavior during her husband's two day ordeal, nor her
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  Speaker 2: role as an independent widow and different widow ready to
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  Speaker 2: cooperate with his acute without going back to her dim
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  Speaker 2: origins In wartime Russia, Chapter five, Marriage on the Rebound.
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  Speaker 2: Oswald was neither handsome nor bright, and he had little personality.
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  Speaker 2: He was young, eager to live and live well, self centered,
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  Speaker 2: and vain to cap all of this. He was even
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  Speaker 2: more naive than the average run of the American innocence abroad,
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  Speaker 2: including spies. So yeah, I guess he t you know,
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  Speaker 2: he tries to explore whether what Marina's motives were. And
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  Speaker 2: this was before any of the information came about her
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  Speaker 2: allegend relationship with one other defector, Robert Webster right, who
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  Speaker 2: was not mentioned in this book, granted that is nineteen
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  Speaker 2: sixty seven, chapter six, in the Lion's Mouth. Immediately after
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  Speaker 2: coming to the United States, Lee changed. I did not
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  Speaker 2: know him as much of a man in Russia. He
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  Speaker 2: helped me as before, but he became a little more recluse.
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  Speaker 2: He was very irritable sometimes for a trifle. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he definitely was. And you know, when we talk about
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  Speaker 2: Lee and Marina's relationship, we always talk about on our
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  Speaker 2: show on how it's like an old girlfriend who is
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  Speaker 2: going back and forth. Right, they break up, they get
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  Speaker 2: back together, they break up, they get back together. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they fight, they live in a different area, they live
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  Speaker 2: with different people. It's I think jo Justine kind of
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  Speaker 2: really captured that pretty early on. And last thing I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna read from the book Confessions of Marina Lee Harvey Oswald,
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  Speaker 2: severely griddled for twelve hours by the DPPD, the FBI,
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  Speaker 2: and the Secret Servers, never confessed that he had killed
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  Speaker 2: either the President or Tippet. That didn't matter though in
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  Speaker 2: the eyes of the Warren Commission, they got plenty of
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  Speaker 2: confession confessions by proxy from Marina, the bereaved widow. The
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  Speaker 2: trouble is that Marina overdid it. Ain't that the truth? Right?
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  Speaker 2: You talk about the Nixon story and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: She not only admitted everything about everything the Commission wanted
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  Speaker 2: her to hear, but also volunteered some additional confessions that
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  Speaker 2: proved embarrassing. Marina's exceptional performance as a tearful widow, ready
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  Speaker 2: willing and able to crucify her dead husband, even above
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  Speaker 2: and beyond the call of duty, is matched only by
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  Speaker 2: the even more extraordinarily performance or extraordinary performance of the
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  Speaker 2: Secret Service. Having failed in its primary responsibility of guarding
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  Speaker 2: the president, the Secret Service instead took charge of his wife,
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  Speaker 2: Marina and presumed assassin and nobody solves a problem like Marina, which,
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  Speaker 2: if you're old enough, that is a sound of music reference.
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  Speaker 2: But Rob, I'm gonna actually one more thing to We're
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  Speaker 2: hand it off to you for your thoughts. Once Marina's
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  Speaker 2: full cooperation had thus been secured, the secret Service outdid
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  Speaker 2: itself and by providing her also with a quote business manager,
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  Speaker 2: a man named Jim Martin who also happened to be
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  Speaker 2: the manager of the motel where Marina was sequestered, as
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  Speaker 2: well as the services of an attorney, John Martin Thorne.
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  Speaker 2: Between them, these two gentlemen really did an outstanding job
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  Speaker 2: of getting the confessing sheen started and keeping her going
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  Speaker 2: until eventually all three fell out over the spoils and
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  Speaker 2: a financial settlement lawsuit had to be worked out in court.
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  Speaker 2: So we've talked about this a lot on our show,
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  Speaker 2: Rob and how both James r. And Martin and John
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  Speaker 2: Martin Thorne had really did a fantastic job of turning
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  Speaker 2: Marina into the grieving widow into the star witness of
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  Speaker 2: the work commission. Not an easy task, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: think out of the many fantastic coincidences that we encounter
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  Speaker 2: in this case, this one was not by design, and
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  Speaker 2: I think if you've listened to our thoughts in our shows,
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  Speaker 2: you can come up with how we feel about this.
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  Speaker 2: So with that, Rob, I will hand it to you
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  Speaker 2: for your thoughts and ratings.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'd read this book many years ago and perused
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  Speaker 1: again recently for this and I was reminded, at least
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, this is not one of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: Jokim Yosten books. I don't feel that he brought much
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  Speaker 1: new information to the table as opposed to his other books,
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  Speaker 1: even from a speculative point of view, not even factual.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we learned anything about Marina that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: in the Warren Commission, or wasn't in the Warren Report.
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  Speaker 1: By nineteen sixty seven, there should have been much much
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  Speaker 1: more information that could have been gleaned. There could have
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  Speaker 1: been a lot more about Porter and their marriage. There
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  Speaker 1: was things in the newspaper. You know he was he
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  Speaker 1: was arrested for beating Marina early early in their relationship,
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  Speaker 1: which is not in the book. And a lot of
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  Speaker 1: this book, even though it's supposed to be about Marina,
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  Speaker 1: it's about Oswalt, which you know you already wrote two
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  Speaker 1: books on the dude. I mean, how many more do
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  Speaker 1: you need? You know, you learn in this book. You
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  Speaker 1: know about Oswald and his previous uh, his previous paramours
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  Speaker 1: in Russia, if you will, but pre Marina mm hm.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, of course he's trying to paint a
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  Speaker 1: picture of Oswald in a certain way. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't even broach the subject that Marina could possibly
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  Speaker 1: be OKGB spy you know, or a swallow or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. It's just it's just hyper critical about the
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  Speaker 1: way Marina treated Lee. And like I said, honestly, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not really a big fan of this book. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't learn much from reading it. I'm glad it
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  Speaker 1: was very short.
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  Speaker 2: You could read it in today, that's for sure, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe a.
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  Speaker 1: Couple hours one hour. So I'm just going to leave
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  Speaker 1: it at that. For me, I'm going to give this
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  Speaker 1: book a big fat two guns up. Oh that's it.
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  Speaker 1: That's all you get.
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  Speaker 2: You well, you know, like you mentioned, he didn't really
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  Speaker 2: broach the subject of was she a spy or honey
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  Speaker 2: potter or swallow or whatever you want to call her,
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  Speaker 2: And that is of course a big question. I will
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  Speaker 2: say this, what Marina was able to do after initially
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  Speaker 2: lying to the Secret Service and FBI and make hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars, maybe even more. We don't even
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  Speaker 2: know the true total. I give definitely give her a
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  Speaker 2: lot of credit for that. Of course, she was surrounded
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  Speaker 2: by spooky people her whole life when she got to America,
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  Speaker 2: right in terms of the de Moorn Shields, the Pains,
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  Speaker 2: the White Russians, the Fords, possibly poor Ah, and she
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  Speaker 2: managed to leverage her unfortunate position into you know, raising
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  Speaker 2: her two kids, Junior and Rachel, into what today are
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  Speaker 2: two successful and happy women with I believe grandchildren as well.
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  Speaker 2: So but yeah, I did wish this book went a
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  Speaker 2: little further into some of these questions that we've talked about.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we've done a book review on just Marina,
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  Speaker 2: so maybe this wasn't the best one to start with.
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  Speaker 2: That's my fault. But I do think there are some
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  Speaker 2: interesting tidbits in there, and I am going to go
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  Speaker 2: very middle of the road because you can get it
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  Speaker 2: for free on archives dot org. Four guns up a
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  Speaker 2: little lesson, but if you have an hour, you can
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  Speaker 2: finish it. You might learn a tidbit or two. And
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  Speaker 2: I am a big fan of the author, So what
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  Speaker 2: are you gonna do? Not everyone can be a banger, right, This.
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  Speaker 1: Is definitely a dud, but that's the trick. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you got to read it to find out that's true.
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  Speaker 1: And folks, if you liked this little book review here,
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  Speaker 1: we do also a podcast every Friday night live streamed
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  Speaker 1: at seven pm Eastern here on YouTube and on Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: at seven pm Eastern for our channel members only exclusively,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, we dive into all different aspects of
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  Speaker 1: the Kennedy assassination. So if that type of thing turns
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  Speaker 1: you on, make sure you check us out. And in
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  Speaker 1: the meantime, we'll throw up some videos here for you
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  Speaker 1: to check out, maybe the last book review, maybe our
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  Speaker 1: playlist somewhere over there. And until next time, folks, I'm
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  Speaker 1: Rob Clark, He's Joe Borelli or he's Joe Borelli, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll see you next time.
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  Speaker 2: Peace,