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100 Cloaked Bigfoot Caught on Camera? Barbara Shupe Speaks Out · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the IA Jupiter Podcast. Unbelievable. We've reached
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  Speaker 1: episode one hundred. What better way to celebrate episode one
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  Speaker 1: hundred but with an incredible guest, And this week we
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  Speaker 1: had on BARBERA Shoop, the incredible, the wonderful, amazingly, funny
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  Speaker 1: and sweet barber Shoop. If you don't know who she is,
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  Speaker 1: she accidentally recorded one of these things, one of these
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  Speaker 1: bigfoot you know, forest creatures sasquatch, actually cloaking or cloaked
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  Speaker 1: as it dropped out of the tree. The audio version
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  Speaker 1: does not do it any justice, so please do me
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  Speaker 1: a favorite. Go over to the IA Jupiter podcast over
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube and you'll see this video as we talk
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  Speaker 1: about this incredible footage that she was able to record.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was twenty twelve. It is wild. And
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  Speaker 1: also at the end of episode she actually said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I need you to add in this video where you
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  Speaker 1: see the eyes blink in the dark. I was blown
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  Speaker 1: away by this. She was incredible and I'm so happy
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  Speaker 1: she came on. Thank you so very much, Barbara. If
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  Speaker 1: you guys keep coming back once again, I really appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, and please enjoy this episode with Barbershoe.
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  Speaker 2: Hi.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, how are you today?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing good. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? I'm down here in sunny Mexico enjoying about ninety
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  Speaker 1: degree weather right now.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm up here in rainy Greenwater in Washington State
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  Speaker 4: where it's just above freezing, but it might snow tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Where's that at Greenwater? Was that on the Olympic Peninsula?
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  Speaker 1: Where is that?
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  Speaker 4: No, that's in the Cascade Mountains directly north of Mount Rainier.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so that's okay. I've never been up there.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been to the Northwest. Maybe one day I'll
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  Speaker 1: come up there and say hello to you, because you know, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm down here in the Yucatan too, So if you
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  Speaker 1: want to come down and see some pyramids, come on
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  Speaker 1: down and talk to me. Yeah, it's very cool. So
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. First off, and Barbara,
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  Speaker 1: for the people who do not know who you are,
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  Speaker 1: please introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: yourself and maybe where we can find you.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, my name is Barbara Shoop, and like we said,
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  Speaker 4: I'm here in the Cascade Mountains. I have a little
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  Speaker 4: cabin just downriver from here where I've been there since
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  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety three and that's when I had my first
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  Speaker 4: Sasquatch experience, and I had already had a lifelong interest
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  Speaker 4: in them, but I didn't realized they were going to
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  Speaker 4: wind up being my neighbors for decades. As time has
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  Speaker 4: gone on, I've had multiple experiences with them. I spent
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  Speaker 4: several years gifting and the family that's there, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I think there's probably been a few generations that have
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  Speaker 4: grown up in the forest around my cabin, so I
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  Speaker 4: think we've gotten to know each other pretty well, and
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  Speaker 4: they probably know me a little.
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  Speaker 3: More than I know them.
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  Speaker 4: But it's been a wonderful journey. I started documenting on
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  Speaker 4: YouTube in twenty twelve, and I've recently written a book
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  Speaker 4: about my experiences there around the cabin. I have some
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  Speaker 4: pretty good footage I have the cloaker video that's been
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  Speaker 4: featured on the Flash of Beauty, Paranormal Bigfoot, and also
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  Speaker 4: in the new David Plaid's movie American Sasquatch and myth
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  Speaker 4: Or Monster. And yeah, it's pretty amazing that.
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  Speaker 1: That's fantastic. I love that. I always say it on
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  Speaker 1: the channel, but I always love when people find whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is in their life that just compels them to
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  Speaker 1: do what it is that they love. And it's just
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  Speaker 1: that just from what I know, to have a habitation
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  Speaker 1: near where you live, that means they have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of trust in you. So if they trust you, then
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  Speaker 1: so do I.
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  Speaker 3: Well I think they do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'st What is the name of your book, Barber.
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  Speaker 4: It's called The Unseen Audience, Walking with Sasquatchuneen Audience.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, are you gonna have to You're gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: give me all those links so I can put those
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  Speaker 1: down in the video haircuts that down below. Go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and click on the book and get that so you
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  Speaker 1: can support Barbara and what she does up there in
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  Speaker 1: Washington State. So, so nineteen ninety three is when this
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  Speaker 1: all started for you, Well.
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  Speaker 4: Personally, it all started back in the seventies. When my
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  Speaker 4: folks took us camping up at Spirit Lake before Mount
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  Speaker 4: Saint Helens blew Up, Okay, and that that was where
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  Speaker 4: I first heard about the story of Ape Canyon, and
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  Speaker 4: I was fascinated and I've just kind of been hooked
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  Speaker 4: ever since then. I was probably seven or eight years old,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, growing up back in the seventies, there
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  Speaker 4: wasn't a whole lot out there that was available on sasquatch. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, every TV show or a book or article
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  Speaker 4: in a magazine, anything I could find, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: just had to have it. And then as an adult,
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  Speaker 4: I was just drawn to the mountains. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: I really didn't expect that it was going.
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  Speaker 3: To be like this.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I thought, as an adult, I thought I
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  Speaker 4: was going to the mountains to go, you know, be
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  Speaker 4: in nature. I didn't realize that it was going to
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  Speaker 4: turn out that I'd have a family of Sasquatch for neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a quonderful I'd imagine maybe being in
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  Speaker 1: the seventies, was little nimoy show out back in the seventies,
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  Speaker 1: Was that? Is that right?
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  Speaker 3: It was?
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  Speaker 4: I think that was seventy seven, seventy eight, right in there.
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  Speaker 4: And oh yeah, I don't think I ever missed an episode.
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  Speaker 1: Mount Saint Helens was like in March of nineteen eighty.
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  Speaker 1: I only know that because it was like a month
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  Speaker 1: before I was born, So May I was born in February,
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  Speaker 1: so I'll be forty six. And so this is so
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  Speaker 1: you've been up in the mountains for about forty eight years,
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  Speaker 1: and you just you just enjoy being in nature and
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  Speaker 1: just being in close contact.
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  Speaker 2: With Mother Earth.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I bought, like I
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  Speaker 1: was telling you, you know, I came here because I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want a shot, So I bought ten years of
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  Speaker 1: prime jungle real estates here in the Yucatan Peninsula, and
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  Speaker 1: I got jaguars out there. But we all we have
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  Speaker 1: weird stuff in the woods here too. We have a
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  Speaker 1: thing called a Lucius, which is like a Mayan little
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  Speaker 1: people that throw rocks at you and you hear voices,
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  Speaker 1: and I've heard voices out there.
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  Speaker 3: I've had.
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  Speaker 1: So there's also some creepy stuff down here, so that's
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  Speaker 1: an open invitation. We also have the Isshuabai, which is
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  Speaker 1: a famous witch is kind of like the bell witch
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  Speaker 1: of the yukata Uh and many many other things skin walkers.
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  Speaker 1: I just started recently hearing stories from this area of
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  Speaker 1: actually dog men encounter so it's one of those places too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is I'm sorry, I'm a little excited.
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  Speaker 1: I know you. You're like, I'm just a person, so
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  Speaker 1: am I. But at the same time, there's always when
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  Speaker 1: you meet somebody that recorded something that is just so
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  Speaker 1: so interesting. For the lack of a better us another word,
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  Speaker 1: not a simile. What's the word I'm looking for anyway,
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  Speaker 1: something that means the same thing, but another word I
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  Speaker 1: can't think of right now. Yeah, it's it's in a
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  Speaker 1: dictionary somewhere. It is the source that book whatever those
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  Speaker 1: that the source does. That's what I'm talking about. And
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  Speaker 1: it's just could you I just want to go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and like just start with this video and then I
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  Speaker 1: want to go back in time just to kind of
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  Speaker 1: get it out of the way. Could you do? Could
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  Speaker 1: you set this up a little bit first so people
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  Speaker 1: know what it is that I'm about to show them.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So this was in twenty fourteen.
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  Speaker 4: We had put together a camp out just to bring
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  Speaker 4: some people into the area and just have some fun
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  Speaker 4: and maybe have some experiences. There were nine of us
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  Speaker 4: that went up the trail that day behind my cabin,
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  Speaker 4: and we were just going to look at some tree structures,
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  Speaker 4: some interesting things in the woods that I had found
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  Speaker 4: that I was going to share with them. So part
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  Speaker 4: of our group stayed on the main trail because they
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  Speaker 4: had already seen what I was going to show, and
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  Speaker 4: the rest of us stepped off maybe one hundred feet
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  Speaker 4: into the bush where I was going to just show
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  Speaker 4: them a broken tree that it was suspended on either
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  Speaker 4: end and then it had been broken in the middle.
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  Speaker 4: And it was just interesting because we were trying to
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  Speaker 4: figure out how to had been broken in the middle
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  Speaker 4: without either end of it, but being knocked down on
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  Speaker 4: the ground. It was just supported by just some broken branches,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 3: So we went out there.
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  Speaker 4: I had my camera on, it was attached to my
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  Speaker 4: walking stick, just in case something happened. At this point,
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  Speaker 4: was had become pretty accustomed to things just popping up
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  Speaker 4: around us, you know, things just occurring when you least
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  Speaker 4: expect it. So, right, yeah, I had started just carrying
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  Speaker 4: it that way, and I wasn't like actively aiming at anything.
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  Speaker 4: It was just just in case, you know, I had
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  Speaker 4: so little storage in my iPod in those days that
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  Speaker 4: I would record for five minutes and if nothing happened,
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  Speaker 4: then I would delete it and start recording again for
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  Speaker 4: another five minutes.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's what I was doing.
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  Speaker 4: And so we're standing there, we're looking at this broken tree,
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  Speaker 4: and my friend Claudia, she's kind of standing in front
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  Speaker 4: of me, and I noticed that she kept looking off
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  Speaker 4: to the side like she's looking at something, something had
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  Speaker 4: her attention. So I'm watching her and I'm looking over
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  Speaker 4: where she's looking.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not seeing anything.
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  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, I just see this
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  Speaker 4: little triangular, black haired, domed head shaped individual just popped
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  Speaker 4: up and took off running. Well, I knew the camera
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  Speaker 4: aimed that way, so I had high hopes that it
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  Speaker 4: had captured it. And then when we got back to camp,
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  Speaker 4: we sat down and looked at the footage and all
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  Speaker 4: I had was this little blur there. So we put
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  Speaker 4: it on a bigger screen and at that point it
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  Speaker 4: kind of looked like the Predator movie, right, And well,
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  Speaker 4: I was pretty confused because my iPod could not do
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  Speaker 4: Predator movie kind of stuff, you know, and it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: what I had seen. What I had seen was the
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  Speaker 4: little black, hairy individual that popped up and took off running.
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  Speaker 4: So the next morning, you know, one of our rules
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  Speaker 4: is to not be you know, invasive.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want to we don't want to put pressure
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  Speaker 3: on them.
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  Speaker 4: So when we do have an experience, we leave it and
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  Speaker 4: then come back the next day and look for evidence.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what we did.
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  Speaker 4: We went back the next morning and the first thing
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  Speaker 4: we did was try to figure out what that blur was,
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  Speaker 4: you know, to see if there was a bush, a branch,
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  Speaker 4: if there was something there in that spot that could
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  Speaker 4: have created that anomaly in the footage.
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  Speaker 3: And there wasn't anything there.
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  Speaker 4: The only thing we did find was the footprints, not
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  Speaker 4: just from the individual that I saw, which took off
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  Speaker 4: running to the left, but a second individual that was
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  Speaker 4: a little farther back had run back and following his tracks,
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  Speaker 4: which were basically no more than scuffs in the ground,
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  Speaker 4: that he had circled back around, and both of them
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  Speaker 4: I believe had jumped into a hole in a pile
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  Speaker 4: of the old logging debris that was out there.
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  Speaker 1: Wow yeah, ok, yeah, let's go ahead and show the people.
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  Speaker 1: This is over on Barber's channel and let's see this.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a minute Okay, So there it is, and
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  Speaker 1: you can see that I got it at the moment
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  Speaker 1: in which has happened. So there's your friend you were
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  Speaker 1: talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Claudia.
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  Speaker 1: Claudia, wonderful Claudia. Hello Claudia. And we're gonna go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and play this to show you people, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: audience be backing up a little bit. What we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Really fast right in the middle, to break it there,
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  Speaker 2: to not break these smaller pieces that are supporting it either, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, yeah, like a thrust and not a hang.
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  Speaker 2: You know, something hard and fast.
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  Speaker 3: The heck was that? Did you see that? You know, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like a thrust and not a hang.
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  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, something hard and faste.
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  Speaker 3: The heck was that? Did you see that?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Like, well, something that happened just after this. It's hard
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  Speaker 4: to see you in the footage, but there's a glitch
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  Speaker 4: in the video. You know how you hear about the
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  Speaker 4: sasquatch can affect your cameras. There's actually a glitch in
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  Speaker 4: the video just seconds after he drops down and runs off.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you can.
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  Speaker 2: See that, something hard and fast?
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  Speaker 3: Did you see that?
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  Speaker 1: So so for the people looking and you may maybe
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  Speaker 1: you don't see it. It's in the left, I would say,
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  Speaker 1: to the left middle, So the left side of the screen,
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  Speaker 1: about halfway up, right before that big tree on the left,
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  Speaker 1: you see something literally drop down and run away, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's just astonishing and just one more time. It's just
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  Speaker 1: one of those things that, like I said, I look
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  Speaker 1: at it, yeah you know, yeah, like a thrust and
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  Speaker 1: not a hang. You know. I love it here. So
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  Speaker 1: you're very PC too, You're like, what the heck was that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I would have done such nice words,
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  Speaker 1: because I would have been shocked. It's just it's it
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  Speaker 1: automatically shows your personality and who you are, just kind
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  Speaker 1: of an open person and just you know, just the
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  Speaker 1: way you are a friendly person. So i'd have been
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  Speaker 1: I'd use a couple more choice words than that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you haven't seen any footage of me falling down?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I'll check that out later. What is the
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  Speaker 1: name of your YouTube channel so people can know.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it started out it was squatching with Barb and Gabby,
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  Speaker 4: and then when my dog that was my dog Gabby,
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  Speaker 4: when she passed away, I changed it to squatching with
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  Speaker 4: Barb and Goldie.
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  Speaker 3: But Goldie really.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't much of a big foot and dog, so we
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  Speaker 4: just have as just my name Barbershoop on the channel Barbershop.
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  Speaker 1: What is a big footing dog? What's that? Well?
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  Speaker 4: I think that's a dog that was born specifically to
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  Speaker 4: be out in the woods and you know, be able
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  Speaker 4: to respectfully interact with them, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so they they're not like aggressive or they're just
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  Speaker 1: chilling out and looking around.
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  Speaker 3: They are aware.
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  Speaker 4: She's totally conscious of them, but to her, they're just
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  Speaker 4: kind of like the yelk.
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  Speaker 3: They're just part of the part of the forest.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I had a dog too that we always
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  Speaker 1: One day he did chase a deer and he wondered
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  Speaker 1: where he was and he ran across the path and
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  Speaker 1: it was jumping over the path. Uh in Germany, in
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  Speaker 1: the woods of Germany, and I was like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: And you also had wild bar out there too that
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  Speaker 1: he liked to chase. He got a couple of them too.
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  Speaker 1: One time he got two of them right next to
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  Speaker 1: each other. He came out all proud, was hanging. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. In Germany, that's a no note.
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  Speaker 1: This is this is allegedly Germany allegedly. So after you
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  Speaker 1: film this, after you look at this, you say this
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  Speaker 1: was an anomaly. So what did you do with the footage?
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  Speaker 1: Who did you start showing this to? Uh, maybe maybe
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  Speaker 1: Tom Contrel or who did you start showing this to
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  Speaker 1: to get some type of clarification of what you saw?
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  Speaker 3: Let's see.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I took my time getting it posted, so I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to go back out in the woods and do
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  Speaker 4: the recreations, take the measurements. So I wound up being
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  Speaker 4: a part of a five video series where the first
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  Speaker 4: one was mostly just that day when we were walking
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  Speaker 4: on the trail. I posted that and then I started
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  Speaker 4: getting messages. In the weeks after that were the videos
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  Speaker 4: that had, you know, the recreations and the interviews, the measurements.
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  Speaker 4: All that stuff was in the in the following videos.
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  Speaker 4: But I had a lot of messages from people who
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  Speaker 4: wanted a copy of it, and pretty much anybody who
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  Speaker 4: asked for one, I sent them a copy, so, you know,
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  Speaker 4: to a now analyze it. I was so new at
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  Speaker 4: this back then that you know, I was just open
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  Speaker 4: to whatever anybody could tell me, because I at that
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  Speaker 4: point I had heard about cloaking, but it just wasn't
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  Speaker 4: something that I was into.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I was kind of real shock for my system.
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  Speaker 4: And even I had even experienced sasquatch vanishing into thin
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  Speaker 4: air right in front of me, but I had always
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  Speaker 4: rationalized it into something else.
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  Speaker 1: Really, So tell me about that experience. Tell me about
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  Speaker 1: that one.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I have been November one, twenty twenty twelve. I
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  Speaker 4: had been having experiences that just around Greenwater that.
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  Speaker 3: Really had my interest.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I knew that things were happening, and I'd
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  Speaker 4: been talking to my neighbors other people in the community
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  Speaker 4: about things that they might have experienced. And then one morning,
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  Speaker 4: one of the local guys told me that when he
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: was logging back in the seventies that there was gear
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: would be thrown off the cliff down into the canyon
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: where the creek that flows past my cabin comes from.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: He said, the oil drums and wires, spools and things
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: like that that they'd have to be fishing.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Them out of there in the mornings.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: And so, according to him, that's where the sasquatch lived.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: So okay, Well, my next day off, I climbed up
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: the top of the mountain and it had been years
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: since I'd been up there. I just wanted to know,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: you know, I wanted to see what was up there.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: And I had a couple of knocking sticks in my backpack,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: and so I took took Gabby.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: It was about mid afternoon.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: We started up and I got to almost to the
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: top and the trees opened up and there was a
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: good solid stump next to the trail, and it's like, well,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: this is a nice place to just sit down and
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: take a little little break. So I sat down and
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: I started hearing these strange voices, this weird talking in
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: the woods down below me, and it was just gibberish,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: you know. So I got out my sticks and because
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking, you know, is this Are there hunters down there?
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Are there foreigners down there? Are these weird jeer uh
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: German hunters? I'm thinking of every I've ever seen.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: It like that, I'm sure no, but it was bizarre.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: But in case they were hunters, I didn't want anybody
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: shooting up on the hill, and I didn't really want
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: to hauller out either, so I thought, okay, well I'll
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: get my sticks out and do a knock. So I
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: did that and it went silent and okay, well, at
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: least whoever's down there knows that there's somebody up here. Now,
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: it's all right, so let's finish our hike. So I
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: stood up and right behind me the bushes were so
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: thick that you couldn't see more than a few inches
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: into it. And in those bushes I heard this deep
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: So now I'm thinking, okay, there's a bear up here.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: We need to get moving, okay, So me and the
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: dog we got on up to the top of the hill.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: It was maybe just another five ten minutes till we
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: were up there, and I stood on the edge of
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: the canyon across from where that landing was that he
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: had told me about, and I knocked my sticks several times,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: and I was really disappointed because nothing interesting happened.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: And then I realized, you know, I was getting late
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: in the day. We should start back down.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: So we started back down, got past the place where
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: i'd heard the talking, and it was always quiet.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: All was well.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: We get down to where the train starts to cross
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: the old logging roads that are up there, and the
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: first one that it crosses it's really steep, but you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: it's pretty direct. So I went a header down through there,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: and in that part of the woods. It had been
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: selectively logged before, so you could see a good distance.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: It was wide open in there. And we're about halfway
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: through there and I hear this whistle, like a human whistle,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: like somebody that's right beside me on the trail, and
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: there's nobody there.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: So I'm looking at Gabby and she's looking at me.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: And then we hear another whistle at the bottom of
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: the trail where it connects to the logging road, maybe
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: maybe eighty feet below us.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: And it's wide open in view.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: I can see down there there's nobody there, okay, And
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking, well, maybe it was elk. You know, elk
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: can whistle, but I've never seen I've never heard a
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: whistle like that, and I haven't seen any elk up there,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: but you know it must be. So we went on down,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: and from that point the trail gets really steep and rutted,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: so I just went ahead and followed the logging road
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: down from there. So Gabby's walking ahead of me, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: we walked around the corner and I could see she
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: looks back at me, and there's something ahead of us
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: around the corners. Okay, take a few more steps and
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: there's a couple of elks standing there on the road.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: So all right, well that's what it was. Okay, that
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: explains it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, So we go down around the next switch back
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: and I look up on the hill and there's the
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: whole herd is there, and it's like, oh wow, cool,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: there's the elk. So I keep walking, maybe one another
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: fifty feet, and I hear this crashing and I look
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: and here comes the whole herd down off the hill
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: and they're crossing the road behind me. And now they're
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: running parallel to the road on this side. So I
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: look over and I'm seeing them go this way, and
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: on the other side of the elk, I can see
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: there's an individual looking at me and I'm thinking gorilla.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: We don't have gorilla. And then it's like, oh my god,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: it's sasquatch. That's a bigfoot. Well, then the elk are
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: done running by. He turns and he just follows them
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: right in the same path that they're going. And I
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: can see him clearly from about a mid chest up
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: and a few more steps, and he's going to be
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: just out into clear view because he's blocked by the
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: last leaves of the vine maples.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: You know they were yellow, but still enough am on
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: the trees.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I couldn't see below where they were at. But one
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: more step and he's going to be in clear view.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: And he takes that one more step and he just
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: it was like he just stepped behind an invisible curtain
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: and he wasn't there anymore. I stood there, I stared
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: at that spot, and when I finally took my eyes
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: off of it, looked down at Gabby and she's staring
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: at that spot.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: She hadn't moved a muscle.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: She had shoulders, and she had shoulders.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: She went, well, you know, after that day, you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: before that day, when we'd sit down in the woods,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: she'd always sit on my feet and lean against my legs.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: But after that day, we sit down in the woods
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: and she'd sit behind me and lean against my back.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Direction. Wow, very smart. Yeah, I love that kind of stuff.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And so I'm I'm just as all conjecture on my behalf.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: But I'd imagine, like, you know, you probably just accidentally
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: kind of walked up on them, like hunting, you know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: and that's why they didn't know you were there. They
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: were concentrated on something else. So they're talking probably about
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: what they're going to be doing or it's over here
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and then you just you know, you and
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Gabby are down there just you know, mucking it all up.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was messing up their dinner for that night.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: You know which elk is on the menu?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it's give me some give me some hind straps.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: That's that's some good stuff.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: When so when you go when you go out there
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: to this area in Washington State and you decide to
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: move up in the woods, when when was the first
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: encounter and like when did it become like a realization
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: for you, Like, oh my god, these stories that I've
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: been hearing or a little bit of what I've seen
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: or read about, when did it become a reality for you?
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Well, in nineteen ninety two, the very first walk I
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: took up the trail behind my cabin, I found a
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: perfect footprint and two broken trees on either side of
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: the where he had walked through onto the road. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: at that point it became complete reality for me. You know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: it was no longer a myth or a story. I mean,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: this was this was a real footprint that I was
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: looking at. So that was in nineteen ninety two, but
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: at that point I was still thinking this was just
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: you know, one lone individual passing through to more remote places, okay.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: And so you know, over the years, there were so
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: many different things that happened, and I'd think to myself,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: you know, I wonder if that's something a sasquatch might do,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: and then I always.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: In my head I followed up with, well, no, that
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: can't be.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: You know, if there was sasquatch around here, i'd know
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: You know, I need that bumper sticker was what would
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: sasquatch do? I need that bumper it you coined it,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I'll market it, Okay, Okay, Oh that's I've never I
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: haven't had any experiences like that. I just find them
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to be fascinating and I try to give people just
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a space for them to be able to talk about it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of these people are lifelong hunters
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and fissures, especially like in a Deep South. It's such
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a part of their culture, and you know, they'll be
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: hunting of thirty forty years in the woods and never
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: see a thing, and then one day, one day they'll
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: see one and they're just unable to go back in.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: And that's what I try to provide them here like
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: that reconnection to humanity, like we hear you, man, I
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: understand you. I believe you. You know you can see it
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: in there. You know a lot of people it's it's
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you know, it's so out of the norm that they
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: don't know how to like take it in. So for
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: them to go back out there in that same space
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: where you know a lot of people get that roar
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and they feel it shaped through their whole body and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: they're like, I don't want to ever experience that again.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like most of yours so far
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that you've been speaking of have been you know, like
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: friendly encounters. I mean, have you ever had anything that's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you know, untoward.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: There was one time I went out about one o'clock
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: in the morning. I just was gonna see if I
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: could record some vocalizations. This was back just a few
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: months after I saw the big guy following the Elk,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: and I just I just wanted to record some sounds.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: So I went up in the woods and there was
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: about six inches of snow on the ground, and I
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: stuck my camera in a little notch in the snow
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: to to.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: And I got something on the screen. There okay, So.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just set my recorder there to record, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I knocked on a tree and the tree was frozen solid,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: so it just it like rang out like a bell.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: The whole tree vibrated and it went out into the forest.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: And the next thing I knew, I had two individuals
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: that were approaching me on the right side of the trail,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: and then on the other side. It sounded like there
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: was a freight train coming and there was. There was
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: a few minutes there where my heart went up into
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: my throat and I thought to myself, Oh, good grief,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: what have you done? But he stopped on the other
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: side of the cricket didn't come any closer, so we
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: were good.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Sorry, you're such a sweet persons sounding Charlie Brown was
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: telling the story. Oh, good grief, such a sweet person
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I love it, dude, I love it. I'm sorry. Oh okay,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: oh this is the end of me now. Oh heavens,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just so your personality and I so
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you're saying, now, so around your cabin area, you're there,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: you move to the forest. Congratulations to you. It's it's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: always been a dream of mine. I'm able to do
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: it now. It's it's a very I just love it
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: makes me feel good. I love the connection with nature
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: all would be you know, you know whatever, that word
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: is very weird here, which ranchell is a scorpion, so
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: it's a different one. But you know, being there and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: uh so when you're settling in, you're basically moving into
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: their living room, you know, which is a good joke.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: My girlfriend told me, she said, if you want to
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: go ghost hunting, always look for them in the living room.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: There's no dead people in there. Let's play on words.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: So like, you know, so, do you think they through
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: time have accepted you being there because of your your
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: your mannerisms and the way you go about your you know,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the way you go about the things you do trying
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: to understand them. Or has it been like a longer
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you know process in them accepting you being there.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: You know, I think it's probably a little of both.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: You know. There's I've been there so long now that
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: there's probably been a few generations that have grown up,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: you know, and they've seen me how I handle my dogs,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: my cats. You know, I had chickens and ducks for
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: a long time. You know, they saw how I protected
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: and took care.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Of my animals.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: And you know, once they knew that I knew they
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: were out there, I did my best to reach out
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: the respectfully, reach out to them as best I could,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: you know. I every week I took them apples and
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: a jar of peanut butter and a pie and right,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: and they got a good all right. Yeah, yeah, So
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's just the ones that are
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: parents now were probably little when I first came here.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: And yeah, so there's probably different generations that have grown
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: up and and just feel know that I'm a safe
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: person to be around.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: So of course, of course it's you know, it's not
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: an experience that everyone has, but it happens more often
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: than people will even still, even now in this age
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: of information talk about I guess my question is like,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: has there been anything? I mean, I'm sure there's been
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: plenty of things, but what has been the thing that
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: is surprising to most about them?
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Finally, finally tell the rest of my.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I think their sense of humor, the way that they
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: play games, and you know, they'll do something.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: They'll be watching what we're doing.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: I'm doing my friends when we're camping, and they will
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: interact with us in the most surprising ways. Just a
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: year ago in June, I was camped about ten miles
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: up river from my cabin, and we had a little
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: sidewall that we had put up to keep the breeze
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: off of us from the river, and we were sitting
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: the fire one night and I looked over and I
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: got to see not an arm, at the shadow of
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: an arm reached out from behind the sidewall and did
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: jazz hands for us.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: One of these you know, like are called.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: My friend Lee is sitting beside me, and I'm tapping
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: her on the shoulder, going look, look, and she's looking
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: at that, and next you know, she's looking around the
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: group and we're all watching it, and she's like, everybody,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: wave your hands, and it's like, well, clearly it's not us,
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: you know, but and yeah, So to me, that's just
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: like this amazing sense of humor for them to do
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: something like that, I mean, the sole purpose of which
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: it was to entertain us.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: I'm sure.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: That is interesting to know that that would do that too.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: At the same time, it shows the h a bit
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: of intelligence to do that, you know, quick, you know,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I mean from what I know that they're intelligent. That
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: they're well aware of what's going on, and I think
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: they probably are tapped into nature and have some type
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: of technology that we would even even that word I
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: don't think is very dirty word technology, But they have
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: some type of connection that we have lost. I think
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: that maybe we were kind of like them at some point.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Do you have anything to add to that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think at one point we were all,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: you know, living in the forest, and we were all
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: tapping into the energy of the planet and being able
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: to communicate in different ways. And at some point, you know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: we decided to build a shelter and build a fire
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: and go down the path where we're at now. But
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: there's still walking the path that they had way back when.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: You know, there's still you know, hunting for their food
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: and finding ways to communicate from one mountain ridge to
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: another and living in harmony with nature. And you know,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: so the way they've is in in in nature. It
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: is part of what is meant to be.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I think we're just kind of off track here. We're
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: the ones that are kind of going the wrong direction.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: We've lost our connection.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Some of us, Barbara, there's some people who are are
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I think I think people would say, like in twenty twelve,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: oddly enough, some of the dates that you were bringing
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: up was the end of the Mayan calendar, and they said,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: then it was the end of the earth. I think
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: in many ways it was. I think since then there
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: has been an awakening that has been undergoing where people
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: are like, you know, whether it be through psychedelics like ayahuasca,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: going to Peru and connecting to the other looking inward,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: you know, meditation, And there's also those ones who've leaned
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: more towards like you know, virtual reality or playing games
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: all day and not meeting and talking to anyone. People
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: don't understand hand gestures and facial expressions anymore. And then
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: there's people like you and myself, right, it's it's, it's
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: it's kind of uh interesting. I think there was a
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: split and for lack of a better term, and like
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: reality itself, because ever since then, there's been so much oddness.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: It's been it hasn't been the same since that date.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: And I just think it's so amazing that someone like
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: yourself can say, you know what, I'm going up there
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to I mean, do other people come
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: up there to experience it too? I mean, I know
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the video you were saying that you do that. So
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: do you do that often? Do you still do that?
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: What is it that you do other than document it?
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Uh? Four or five times a year. I put together
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: some camp outs where I have friends. What we we
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: go back to these same locations where they've gotten to
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: know us, and we just hang.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Out and camp and enjoy nature.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: And you know, a lot of a lot of folks
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: when they go out bigfoot and they go out into
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: the woods and they go hunting and looking for the sashquatch.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: And what we do is we just sit around the
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: fire and tell stories and enjoy ourselves and wait for
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: the sasquatch to come to us.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: And that's interesting because also on the Wrong Flash of Beauty,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: which I also took a look at, there was also
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Kevin Keena Keeny Keeni well there too. He was also
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: somebody who got interviewed by them, and I've interviewed him
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: before and also Tom Control, and they said the same thing.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I just sit there with my diet coke in my
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: book in my long chair and stuff just starts happening.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: It's just one of those things. Yeah, there's a lot
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: of people that go out there with that, I'm going
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to find them mentality. But I think if they don't
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: want you to see them, you're not going.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: To No, nothing will happen. You've got to have an.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Honorable purpose, you know, you got to have some kind
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: of a reason to be out there, that your own
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: connection to nature. You know, if you're going out there
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: and your sole purpose is to hunt sat watch, nothing
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: is going to happen you go out there, you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: you just spend time in nature, You collect some rocks,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: you pick some mushrooms, You just find a sunny spot
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: and read a book, you know, and talk to them.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: You know, once they know that, you know, your experiences
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: are gonna just really take off. But you know, if
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: you've been out there in the woods your whole life anyway,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: chances are they already know you. You know, they're already
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: fully aware of you. You just don't know about it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: So like your intentions are like your intentions are everything
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: which is I'm not a religious person, must be I'm
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a man of God, but I'm not religious. I don't
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: like any of it, be honest with you. There's just
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: things I don't like about it. I don't anyone who's
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: you know, that helps them and that makes them, you know,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: connection with their creator. That's fine with me. I don't
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: need a middleman personally. I don't need to. You know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I've had those experiences. But your intentions are everything. You know,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: when you go out there and you're open and you
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: your mindful of what it is that you're doing, instead
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of like you know, having a like a slightly closed
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: personality of thinking, you know, I'm here to collect things
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: because I'm human, therefore it is mine, instead of just
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: going out there and kind of just opening up yourself
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and being like, ah, then I think that's when things happen.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I really do.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: And you know, once you've built the trust with them,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: they'll give you what they want you to have. You know.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: It's it's like we've got a giant fingerprint that they
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: put on one of the vehicles one night when they
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: knew that's what we were looking for. We'd already spent
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: twenty five minutes checking all the other vehicles, you know,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: going over them with a regular flashlight and a black light.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: And the last vehicle we got a huge, perfect fingerprint
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: that was so fresh we got to watch it dry.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: And he's sticking breaking sticks in the darkness behind us.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: You know that was an intentional gift.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, they'll they'll let you have what the
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: things that they want shared, and if it's done in
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: a respectful way. You know, you just can't go out
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: and just take what you want or go into the
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: woods and expect to be able to just.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Feed your ego. You have to go.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I mean you're gonna mean you were going bowling for sure.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I can feel. Also, this is the way I feel love.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: You're like. The things you're saying is the music that
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I that I like to hear, if you know what
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I mean. Oh, let's kind of go off change course slightly.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about this book. What inspired
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: you to write the book and when it was, when
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: one was, when was it released? You know, and what
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: what could we or would we find in the book?
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Well, the book is something that I know that I've
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: needed to do for a long time. But it was
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: just a daunting task.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: You know, there's just so much to try to put
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: into it, to organize it and make sense of everything.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: I started on it last January. I had done just
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: a I wrote up a little story for Tom Cantrell
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: and it was it went so easily and smoothly that
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: I just thought, you know, I should, I should really
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: do this, and I had a lot of friends that
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: were encouraging me. And uh so once I got started
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: on it, you know, I just went through and I
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: made my notes for each chapter, and uh it went
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: pretty well. I started with, you know, just kind of
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: what we've been talking about here about you know, how
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: I got started with my experience at Mount Saint Helen's
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: and how I grew up with this interest in my
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: first experiences. And so the first half of the book
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: is basically my first the first part of my journey
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: into discovering what was in the woods around the cabin
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: and how I was interacting with it, and how I
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: progressed to where I am now. And in the second
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: half of the book, you're gonna see, well, you're going
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: to go from me being somebody thinking that there's just
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: an undiscovered form of wildlife to fully accepting the paranormal abilities,
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: and then moving forward into where that's brought me.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: With that full acceptance the things that I experienced.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Now I stole my thunder. I was actually going to
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: ask you that you know what you seeing, what you've
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: seen and knowing what you know. I was going to
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: ask you what you felt about that, because there's some
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: something in the human nature where we're like, it's only
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: this or it can't be that. I think it's just
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the silliest thing in the world. Yeah, you know, no
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: matter what it is that you do. You know, I'm
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: an artist myself, a comedian. Actually, I got to stand
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: up tonight in Spanish good luck, wish me luck, and
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be sitting on a chair in the bar
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and talking in Spanish about whatever I'm going to be
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: talking about. There's always or a musician, metal musician for
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: many years. That's why the intro is the way it is,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: because I enjoy that music, and there's always somebody out
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: there you go, you're not real music or you're not
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: a real comedian, and it's just so silly instead of
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: like taking the information as it comes, looking at it
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and it's merit. You know, there's gentlemen that are I've
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: spoken to, you know, tribesmen from the from Canada, from
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: northern was it Vancouver Island. He's like, no, man, these
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: are only flesh and blood. It's in our It's all
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: in our you know, in our founding documents with a
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: better word for our and our what's the word I'm
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: looking for in their in their culture? Better said? And
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: he's like, no, it's not that way. And I'm like, okay, dude,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: you know that's your opinion. I'll get it out there,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: you know, as much as you can. But I I'm
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I'm leaning mords towards you. They have something whatever, powered
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: are tapping into, maybe the three sixty nine of the universe,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: like Tesla was talking about, or something where you give
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: me a pendulum and a folk room placed in the
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: right spot, and I can move the earth kind of abilities.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: And for some reason we're just looking at them in
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: awe like you're a ghost. But whatever that is, that's
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: very very interesting. So when did that acceptance come to you,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: because you're kind of I wouldn't say you're at the forefront,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: but saying that in such a say, what it's been twelve,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: twelve years, fifteen years, something like that to be one
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: of the initial people to say I think there's something
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: more too. That was that readily accepted at the time.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Oh no, it didn't go over very well, not back then.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: You know, I started off thinking, you know that they
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: were completely flesh and blood, and I rationalized a lot
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: of the things that I had seen and was experiencing.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: And it was when the Cloaker event happened that, you know,
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: I was kind of pushed into a position where I
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: had to open my mind and think a little farther
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: than what I was comfortable with. And then in the
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: months after that, I was at a few other campouts
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: where I was uh sizzled, you know, kind of the infrasounding,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: a gentle version of it. I got to see the
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: glowing eyes and and things like that.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: And I've heard I've heard zapped, I've heard war, but
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I have ever heard sizzled. I think you're like, I
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: think you're thinking about barbecue. But okay, that's a good one.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: It was very gentle.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, it was very mild. So but you know,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: that was when it really set in, So between the
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Cloaker event and you know, getting to see their eyes
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: turning on and off up close and what.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Do you mean what do you mean by that?
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard that, just that you know, they could
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: they have complete control over that where you know they were.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: I've seen them within six feet of me, where there's
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: nobody there and red eyes just turn on. Look at
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: you turn off, and there's nobody there.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: So you're saying it's empty forest, and all of a sudden,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: in front of you, a couple of feet away or
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: yards away, you see two glowing red eyes and then
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: they just not there anymore.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Right, right, And that happened a couple of times.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Easy that I never heard.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Well, i've got it. I've got it.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: I've actually got it on camera from up behind within
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: uh within a stone's roll where the cloaker event happened.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: It's on your channel.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, you're gonna love that one. Actually, that's my favorite footage.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: I like it better than the cloaker video.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Oh well, we're gonna have to go. I'm gonna have
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: to have you on one of my live videos on
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: a Friday so people can actually see that live and
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: talk to you.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: I think i'll send you a video clip if you
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: can include it with this.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I would love to put it on at the end.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I would definitely put it on at the end. It
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: would be my pleasure to put it on at the end. Okay, Barra,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: this is a yeah, please, I'm sorry you had something
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: you wanted to say.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Well, this was when I had just gone up the trail.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: I just needed some footage to do a little voiceover
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: video to tell a story, and so I took a
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: few pictures and I just turned on the camera and
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: announced I was recording. And there was an individual that
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: was just right there at the edge of the trees
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: beside the trail, and he looked at me, and I
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: was filming at sixty frames per second, and he looked
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: at the camera flashed his eyes for five frames, so
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: to our eyes, that would have literally been a glint
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: of light. And in those five frames you can see
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: his eyes behind the light, and in the third frame
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: you can see his partially cloaked head becomes visible, and
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: in the last frame, as he's looking away, you can
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: actually see his pupil and you can look right into
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: his eyes.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: It would have been like to us, like, you know,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: not normally, I don't know, what do you guys say
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: on the west side, we say lightning bugs? I get
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I think you guys say fireflies, kind of like what.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Is yeah, yeah, yeah, I would have just been just
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: a glint figure, you know, at if there's sixty frames
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: per second and out of those frames, only five of
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: them he's visible. And that also shows you just how
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: fast they are for him to have looked at me
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: in that quick amount of time and turned his eyes
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: on it. And once again, I'm sure it was completely intentional.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: That I didn't know that at all. I should have.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I should have done a little bit more research. Barberica.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Oh, I've got fairies too, if you want to get
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: into that.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: They flew at the camera.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: You know, I wasn't a fairy person, but when they
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: fly at the camera, you become a fairy person.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Flew at what size? What size? You mean, like tinker
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Bell or something like that. Yeah, I know it's very
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I mean that had a very cheap reference, but
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: No, seriously, I've got a screenshot.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: She looks just like dinker Bell.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: They came from somewhere. Oh wow, So Walt Disney was
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: out there in the woods seeing some stuff.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: You knew something.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: You're getting everything up there on your on your Yeah.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: I say, just talk to them and they'll give you
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: what they want you to have.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: So if you went to open mind, write intentions, kind
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: of announce what you're going to do in a calm voice.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to record now, you can show up if
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: you'd like to. You don't have to. There's no obligation.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I'm just doing something and they'll show up that they
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: want to.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: What an interredrible connection that you have with this with
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: this family group, that's quite one. It's kind of like
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: they accepted you in and to their family, and you
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: are spreading the information of whatever love or connectives to
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: nature for them that way people see them because a
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: lot of times you get this, you know, a lot
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: of people like it's a monster. I don't think that.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think that at all. There's a lot of
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: people that you know, they're they're you know, demonic or
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: something like that. There's people who have that, you know,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: that background, so that kind of comes true. I don't
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: believe that either. They can believe what they want, but
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I really don't think so. I think it's more like
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: they're just chilling in the woods, living their lives, and
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: we're just kind of walking in the living room once
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: in a while, leaving a cheeseburger and well or a
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: pie in your case, butter and apples. That sounds like, man,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I won't give me some people and apple. So Barbara,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: one more time, where can people find your book, So
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: in your in your YouTube channel, wherever else, whatever else
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: you'd like to promote.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Well on YouTube, just look up Barber Shoop. All my
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: videos are there. In the beginning, I was doing a
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: video a week, so all of my gifting in my
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: early stuff is documented, which was very helpful when it
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: came to write in the book. More recently, I've been
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: doing a lot of Facebook reels where I take some
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: of my favorite footage and I'll just put it together.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: It's kind of a fun challenge to squeeze all the
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: good stuff into a minute.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so all about editing. That's a lot of work,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: So yeah, if you look at my Facebook page at
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: the reels, there's some awesome stuff there. My book is
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: available on Amazon. It's The Unseen Audience. It's got great reviews.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Everybody loves it. And then this winter I'm going to
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: be working on the sequel. So the first one was
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: The Unseen Audience Walking with Sasquatch. The sequel is going
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: to be The Unseen Audience Camping with Sasquatch. So I'm
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: going to tell you about what happens when I go camping.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: All right, guys, you heard it here. First there's a
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: sequel coming out. It's a bad terminology, but I'll say
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: it's the Terminator two of Barbacue books pretty much the
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Molten Metal Guy. There you go. That's kind of yeah. Okay,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: well yeah with that, Barbara. It's been a pleasure and
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I appreciate so much that you can't want to talk
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: with me today.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Oh I've had a great time. Thank you.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I'm glad I was able to make you laugh at
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: least unintentionally.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Hope to see you around, and please send that clip.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I will put that clip right here.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: I will do that.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, guys, I hope you enjoyed that one. Thank you
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: so much again, Barbara, and I hope to hear from
• 50:30
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• 51:22
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