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Wired To Hunt Podcast #129: Pat Reeve Talks Hill Country Hunting & More · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number one
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  Speaker 1: Tay in the show. I'm joined by Pat Reeve of
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  Speaker 1: Driven TV, and we're going to be discussing his tactics
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  Speaker 1: for hunting mature bucks in hilly country and much more.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought
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  Speaker 1: to you by Sick Gear. And as I just mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: we've got Pat Reeve with us on the show today,
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  Speaker 1: and during this conversation we'd discussed his experiences hunting the
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  Speaker 1: bluff country of Wisconsin and Minnesota and a whole lot more.
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  Speaker 1: But unfortunately, due to some technical difficulties, we actually lost
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  Speaker 1: most of the introduction to this conversation in which we
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  Speaker 1: heard about Pat's background. So with that being the case,
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  Speaker 1: here's the really short cliff notes version. Pat started out
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  Speaker 1: as a guide for bluff country outfitters in Wisconsin's Buffalo County,
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  Speaker 1: and then he went on to produce the North American
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  Speaker 1: Whitetailed television show and then finally his own show, Driven
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  Speaker 1: TV with Pat and Nicole. So Pat's hunted all across
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  Speaker 1: the country, but his roots and tons of his experiences
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  Speaker 1: is in this hilly country, and so that's what most
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  Speaker 1: of our conversation today is focused on. That said, though,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to keep this intro short and get you
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  Speaker 1: right into that discussion. But quickly before we get to that,
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  Speaker 1: we need to pause to thank our partners at Sick
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  Speaker 1: of Gear for their support of this podcast. And today
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  Speaker 1: we have a sit story from Matt McCormick, a friend
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  Speaker 1: of mine and a hunter and photographer out of Montana
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  Speaker 1: who recently went on his first Midwestern white tailed bow
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  Speaker 1: hunt in southern Ohio, and right at the end of
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  Speaker 1: this trip, after a lot of long days on stand,
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  Speaker 1: finally a big bodied, heavy horned buck appeared headed right
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  Speaker 1: his way, and Matt describes the moments that followed. At
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  Speaker 1: this point, I can't shoot him, so I calmed myself down.
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  Speaker 1: But the presence of him was unlike anything I've ever
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  Speaker 1: felt before. Everything was just dead, calm, you know, even
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  Speaker 1: them just walking around was so quiet because there was
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  Speaker 1: dew on the ground, and I just I just felt
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  Speaker 1: like he knew I was there the whole time, and
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  Speaker 1: and he never really made any movements that that said
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  Speaker 1: that he knew I was there. I just felt like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just the weirdest thing. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if that was a feeling. It was just like
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  Speaker 1: the weirdest feeling that I've ever felt before. I've never
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  Speaker 1: felt anything like it with him that close right behind me.
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  Speaker 1: And so he's pushing these doors around and grunting and
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  Speaker 1: and he runs down the hill and runs back up
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  Speaker 1: and and you know, so he runs basically runs away,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm I'm just like, gosh, that was awesome. And
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  Speaker 1: then he runs back and oh, he's back again. And
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  Speaker 1: then that went back and forth for you know, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, ten maybe even fifteen minutes. And then finally
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching him and he runs these two doughs and
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  Speaker 1: he's running him right at me, and they split, and
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  Speaker 1: when they split, one is coming right at me, and
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  Speaker 1: he's She's gonna come right out from the spruce tree
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  Speaker 1: right into my opening. And that's exactly what happened. The
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  Speaker 1: doe came through his opening, the buck followed, and Matt
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  Speaker 1: came to full draw. But in the hue of the moment,
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  Speaker 1: and Matt stuck trying to pick whether aim for thirty
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  Speaker 1: five yards or forty. He let the arrow go and
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  Speaker 1: watched this sail past the buck, and the deer ran
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  Speaker 1: off untouched, and then the buck stopped and turned back,
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  Speaker 1: and so we shared this moment of like him and
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  Speaker 1: I both staring at each other. I can see him,
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  Speaker 1: he knows I'm there, but he can't see me. And
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  Speaker 1: he's just stomping his foot and stomping his foot and
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  Speaker 1: stomping his foot, and this doe kind of bounded off.
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  Speaker 1: She saw the whole thing go down, but she never blew.
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  Speaker 1: She just kind of ran and we just stared at
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  Speaker 1: each other, which felt it felt like it was ten
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  Speaker 1: minutes where we just stood there and stared at each other,
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  Speaker 1: and eventually she blew. She blew out in front of me,
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  Speaker 1: and he just does this top jumpree turn in the
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  Speaker 1: air and just starts bounding away and just blows and
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  Speaker 1: blows and blows and and and he was gone. And
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  Speaker 1: that's when I started in to shake the most. We
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  Speaker 1: shared this moment and then he left, and for about
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  Speaker 1: a minute or two, I I kind of question what
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  Speaker 1: really just happened? How did I you know, there's all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of things going and going through my mind, Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know where did I hit? How did I? How
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  Speaker 1: did I miss? That? Opening? Must not have been big enough.
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  Speaker 1: What an incredible experience. Oh my gosh, I dear it
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  Speaker 1: was a giant and watching him run away was like
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  Speaker 1: a like an image in a in a you know,
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  Speaker 1: any sort of magazine that you see where you just
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  Speaker 1: see these giant deer running away and and then I
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  Speaker 1: started shaking bad and it got worse before it got better.
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  Speaker 1: I can certainly relate to that feeling right there. So,
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  Speaker 1: And now back to the show. And as I mentioned earlier,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be dropping right into the middle of
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  Speaker 1: this conversation as pat Reeve and I discussed his experiences
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  Speaker 1: hunting white tails in hill country. So so speaking of
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  Speaker 1: the how to stuff, I kind of want to go
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  Speaker 1: back in time to what you were doing early on
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  Speaker 1: when you were working with Bluff Country Outfitters and Tom,
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  Speaker 1: and I've heard a lot of great things about what
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  Speaker 1: Tom's done there, and it sounds like you were probably
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  Speaker 1: involved with that too. What did you learn about hunting
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  Speaker 1: in that kind of terrain at that point? You know
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  Speaker 1: that Bluff Country, hilly. You know, the Driftless area of Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: What's hunting like there? Well, you know, of course, I
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  Speaker 1: grew up in this country, so I learned early on. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know a lot about hunting in the Driftless area
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  Speaker 1: or the bluff Country area. Um. After I've got a
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  Speaker 1: chance to hunt around the world for white tails, I
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  Speaker 1: have soon to realize that actually this bluff country can
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  Speaker 1: be the hardest place to hunt mature box. Um. And
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  Speaker 1: and there's there's plenty of them here. Don't give me wrong,
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  Speaker 1: long but there's a couple of things why this country
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  Speaker 1: is very hard to hunt versus Saint Iowa, Illinois, m
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  Speaker 1: ar Kansas. It's in a lot of it has to
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  Speaker 1: do with the topography or the train and this area
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  Speaker 1: is like very hilly. In the box, big mature buck
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  Speaker 1: knows how to use that train to his advantage. He
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  Speaker 1: knows how to bed in it. You know, it's how
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  Speaker 1: they get visuals. Um. Of course, when when hunting, the
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  Speaker 1: wind is terrible for the most parts, so you're always
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  Speaker 1: fighting wind issues and constant swirling winds because the hills
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  Speaker 1: create that vortex and you create all this swirling effect
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of times you know, you get busted
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  Speaker 1: as you're trying to hunt the deer. Um. So it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a tricky proposition to hunt this versus you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, you're hunting in Illinois, you're hunting in
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  Speaker 1: Iowa's flatter ground, true or ends, Um, the winds are
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  Speaker 1: more consistent there, so you know up here it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot different. Of course, you know deer I said, they
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  Speaker 1: bed in certain spots where you know, they'll bed with
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  Speaker 1: the wind at their back, where they're laying out on
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  Speaker 1: a ridge or on a point, and then they can
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  Speaker 1: see anything that might be belonged. So any sense of
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  Speaker 1: danger that they smell or see, they're instantly, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one hop they're completely out of sight and gone. They're
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  Speaker 1: just that's how easy it did from and they learned
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  Speaker 1: that as they get older, believe me. Um. But back
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  Speaker 1: working for Tom kind of rewinding. You know, one of
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  Speaker 1: the things that really helped me or may you know
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  Speaker 1: fine tune my hunting skills was that every day were
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  Speaker 1: taken out, I was taken out, you know, four to
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  Speaker 1: six hunters per person. Tom would take some and I
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  Speaker 1: would put them in tree stands. A I hung specifically
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  Speaker 1: for a reason, Um, they became I was like a
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  Speaker 1: computer base. I mean, those people were out there just
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  Speaker 1: like I would be, only they were sitting in you know,
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  Speaker 1: and strategy points that I thought would put them in
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  Speaker 1: the best hunting situation. And they would come back and
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  Speaker 1: of course tell me what they seen, how the deer
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  Speaker 1: were traveling. And I learned really quick what worked and
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  Speaker 1: what didn't because it was like six a meal out
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  Speaker 1: there every day, so, you know, and then tom of
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  Speaker 1: course we've strategized on what was, you know, what the
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  Speaker 1: deer were doing, and over the course of time, we
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  Speaker 1: really learned that. I mean, you really had to transition
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  Speaker 1: with the deer um, the deer movements, their habits, what
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  Speaker 1: affects their movements, whether it's moon, the acorns, water, food, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: there's pressure, there's a lot of things that change deer
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  Speaker 1: habits and deer movement. And I've obviously I've learned that
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  Speaker 1: over the years, and that in guiding, obviously it was
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  Speaker 1: a big portion of that. And you know, but I
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  Speaker 1: still go out there thinking I gotta figured out and
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  Speaker 1: I'm still learning. So I'm not going to pretend that
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  Speaker 1: I know it all for sure, because I don't. They
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  Speaker 1: still get you every day and of course, and weren't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we do this for a living, so we
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  Speaker 1: have to be out there. We can't, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times wait for the perfect day to go hunting,
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  Speaker 1: and neither can a lot of other people they can
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  Speaker 1: relate to that because they have vacation slotted for a
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  Speaker 1: certain time and and and they gotta pick pick their
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  Speaker 1: week to take off and to go hunting for the
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  Speaker 1: entire week. And so you know, they don't have in
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  Speaker 1: all luxury of being able to hunt all the time either.
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  Speaker 1: So in our situation, we're often going on to the
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  Speaker 1: next date because Minnesota, here you get one deer or
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  Speaker 1: a year, so that obviously it's not going to help
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  Speaker 1: you make twenty original episodes. Uh shoot deer. So we
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  Speaker 1: we gotta move and we gotta get to the next
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  Speaker 1: next state. So we we try to target hunting our
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  Speaker 1: state and other states at the right times. And that's
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  Speaker 1: what other people should do too. If you're traveling or
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  Speaker 1: going out of state. He's just figuring out that proper,
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  Speaker 1: that the best time to be there. How well, each
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  Speaker 1: state is different. Like I just like we talked about earlier, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I know, if I take my son to on a
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  Speaker 1: youth hunt to Kansas early season. The odds are he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna probably shoot a big mature buck on a food
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  Speaker 1: source early on because the deer is just on a pattern.
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  Speaker 1: Um and and you can you can get on them.
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  Speaker 1: Like most people you know that love white tails are
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  Speaker 1: out watching deer early season, coming out to you know,
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  Speaker 1: bell falsi fields, being bean fields, whatever they're they're watching
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  Speaker 1: these deer all summer and if they could go hunt them,
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  Speaker 1: they would kill him, especially if they had a firearm
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  Speaker 1: in their hands. No different than going to Kansas early season.
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  Speaker 1: So um, that's one of them things where I know
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  Speaker 1: that that's high probability. Now of course that's not for
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  Speaker 1: me because I can't. We don't have the luxury. But
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  Speaker 1: they make that for the youth to get them youth
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  Speaker 1: started and involved in a positive hunting situation. And it
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  Speaker 1: works before the schools really kick off and get started.
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  Speaker 1: And there's some great hunting opportunities, and anybody's thinking about
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  Speaker 1: youth hunting should think about going to Kansas in the future. There's,
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  Speaker 1: of course, there's a lot of public hunting opportunity. There
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  Speaker 1: more better public hunting for big white tales than any
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  Speaker 1: other state in the entire United States. And it's because
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  Speaker 1: they offer public at a program called walk in Hunting
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  Speaker 1: for the public, but it's on private lands. Um, there's
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  Speaker 1: thousands of thousands of acres enrolled in that program and
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  Speaker 1: makes that opportunity for very good So and of course
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  Speaker 1: the state is covered with big white tails, you know,
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  Speaker 1: all the way from north southeast west. I mean there
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  Speaker 1: there's a big deer everywhere there. So, um, something somebody
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  Speaker 1: should think about. Of course, that that goes all the
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  Speaker 1: way throughout the entire season. I mean whether archer and
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  Speaker 1: you just want to go out there, I mean, great
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  Speaker 1: hunting opportunity, but you do have to draw a tag
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  Speaker 1: tag draw situations, not over the counter like Minnesota, Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, I mean, you know, picking these spots are
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  Speaker 1: really what ultimately becomes a challenge for us because the
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  Speaker 1: rut happens just for a short period of time and
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  Speaker 1: in our season is so tight. If if the deer rutted,
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  Speaker 1: you know, three quarters of the year half the year,
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  Speaker 1: boy be a much different situation. But we're talking, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna make hey for about a three week period and
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  Speaker 1: then it's over for the rut. And mean, and then
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  Speaker 1: your courser chances start to dwindle unless you focus in
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  Speaker 1: on those early season opportunities and then late season opportunities
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  Speaker 1: of mother nature, you know, curse your way. So um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, our season just give you a kind of
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  Speaker 1: a roundown of course, like our early season starts. You know,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, in Kansas a lot of times, Um
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  Speaker 1: we go there. I've hunted North Dakota early for velvet
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  Speaker 1: deer before. That's it. It's always been a good opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: They've had some winter die off here in the last
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  Speaker 1: several years that kind of knocked the populations back. I
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  Speaker 1: know that people hunt Missouri early. Um. Sometimes, Um, there's
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  Speaker 1: Kentucky starts real early. Of course, velvet opportunity there. There's
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  Speaker 1: certain states that open earlier and others like Iowa on
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  Speaker 1: and open until October one. Um believe Illinois is the
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  Speaker 1: same way. So some of these states don't open until
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  Speaker 1: a little bit later on. Of course, Minnesota's Johnson is
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  Speaker 1: the middle of September for archery season. So um, finding
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  Speaker 1: these states that have those early early seasons is is key.
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  Speaker 1: Now when as as the early season kind of transpires
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  Speaker 1: into that October period, of course, we hit that lull
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  Speaker 1: October low period, and that gets even trickier because now
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  Speaker 1: the deer lull out and we're kind of we're entering
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  Speaker 1: that period right now here in the in Minnesota. I
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  Speaker 1: was hunting last night and with a good friend of mine,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Jannis, who plays for the Packers, were actually at
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  Speaker 1: Tom's place last night, and the deer are you know,
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  Speaker 1: last week, they were more visible on food plots and
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  Speaker 1: now they're becoming last and we're counting on cameras to
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  Speaker 1: kind of tell that story somewhat. And also we're, you know,
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  Speaker 1: coming off a full moon period too, so that's that's
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  Speaker 1: another thing that kind of adds into the equation. But um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I saw a lot of deer last night eating acorns.
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  Speaker 1: We're sitting right on the edge of acorns and a
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  Speaker 1: food source and and a waterhole as well, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: I saw a lot of deer in the inside of
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  Speaker 1: the woods eating white oaks, white oak acorns. So that's
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  Speaker 1: what's right now affecting deer movements and in affecting it
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  Speaker 1: in a big way. And of course we hear October lall.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's a very common phrase, but it's really
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  Speaker 1: that the deer movements are very minimal deer don't have
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  Speaker 1: to move in the Midwest, you know, in Minnesota, Wisconsin
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  Speaker 1: right now, very far especially in our country, because they
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  Speaker 1: can stand up out of their bed, can eat their
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  Speaker 1: primary food source, which is acorns right now, and not
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  Speaker 1: take five steps and lay and fill up and lay
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  Speaker 1: back down and not have There's no travel to and
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  Speaker 1: from their bed to their food source like there is
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  Speaker 1: later on. So right now, with the acorns being on
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  Speaker 1: the ground, they're going to gorge and that's what they're
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  Speaker 1: going to primarily eat for the most part. So how
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  Speaker 1: do you hunt during that kind of situation where there's
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  Speaker 1: a little movement and you have to get I imagine
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  Speaker 1: that at least for me, the challenge is always how
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  Speaker 1: do you get in there to hunt that food that's
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  Speaker 1: also so close to where they bed without spooking them?
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  Speaker 1: Very tricky. How will we do it? There's a couple
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  Speaker 1: of ways. If you're gonna go and hunt acorn ridges
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  Speaker 1: and acorn trees, mass acorn, you know, tree crop trees
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  Speaker 1: that really are producers um and and it can be effective,
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  Speaker 1: but the odds of you spooking that deer running that
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  Speaker 1: deer out of there very high. So here's what we do.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll go in there and hunt when there's
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  Speaker 1: a you know, a fair amount of noise in the
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  Speaker 1: woods which is created by wind rain element that really
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  Speaker 1: buffers your sound and movement. So you can get into
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  Speaker 1: a tree without blowing everything out. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: mean wind and rain is about the only time to
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  Speaker 1: do that. If you go on in a quiet day,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna probably probably blow things out of there. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, trickier, trickier time to hunt. Um. But a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times we use wind rain weather to our advantage.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, in the bluff country we use that same
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  Speaker 1: thing if we're hunting low. UM. A lot of times
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: if it's real windy, you know, bottom fields or bottom
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: areas become more affective because deer don't like that wind
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: as much. They'll go down in those lower lower areas
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: and they might feed at the bottom of the ridges
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: or go out of those bottom fields at night. But
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: then you deal with wind issues a little bit, so
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: um as time transpires later on, of course, all the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: leaves are off the tree, and hunting low can be
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: tricky because if you're gonna walk up a valley system
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna be exposed, you're gonna be you know,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: out in the wide old and you want a weather
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: element helps kind of cut that visibility issue for them,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: for them spotting you walking or getting into your your
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: stand location, so you know, sleep, snow, rain, whatever really
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: helps UH to hunt those low low area times. And
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: we learned that you know, a long time ago, so
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: um that that you know, that's one of our tricks.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Another thing um that we do and we do it.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I think one of the probably the biggest things that
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: really affects our success here is not I mean, and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I think if I talked to a lot of people
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and they show me that they show me a picture
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: of a big deer and they're like, you know, I
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: had this big deer on camera a lot, and I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: know he lives there. He's very residential. We got lots
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: of photos of them. But every time I go and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: hunt him, I don't see them what's going on? And
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: it's pretty simple. I think that the biggest thing is
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: he's they're tipping. They're tipping that deer off that they're
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: hunting him, and he of course changes his pattern or
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: his his travel plans and doesn't come their way simply
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: because they've already alerted them that they're in the woods.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: So you gotta be you gotta think a little bit
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: like a deer. You gotta you gotta figure try to
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: figure out how to get in there, you know, quietly,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and get set up on him and not alarm any
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: other deer. And sometimes it might not be alarming that deer,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: but you might blow some those out of there that
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: ron take off running through the woods and NFL box
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: bedded off. You'll figure out something spooked them. Deer ain't
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: gonna get up and start walking that way later on,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: an hour later, or if he hears a deer blowing
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: off in that direction, he's gonna avoid danger. He knows.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Even a squirrel barking sometimes to them as is dangerous.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: So um, those little things can make a big difference.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: And trying to figure out how to use that rain
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: um and and getting in and getting set up on
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: them without tipping them off can be very crucial. How
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: do we do it? There's a couple of different ways.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: But in the Midwest here, if I have the opportunity
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: to have somebody driving me to my tree stand, whether
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: it's in an a TV car, vehicle, whatever, dropped me
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: off and then leave, that's the best case scenario because
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: they're used to vehicles, they're used to machinery, they're used
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: to those noises, and it doesn't present a danger to them.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: They pay attention to it, I think when they're betted
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: or nearby, but then after the sound leaves, then they
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: go back to their normal travel patterns or normal routine,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: so you know, and then we don't leave any scent behind.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: That's also very crucial. But if we have to walk
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to them stands, because they may they can. You cannot
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: have somebody drop you off for for on one reason
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: or another. I've even went to the extent where I
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: have a guy walk in with me and then we
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: get in the stand and then I have that person
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: walk out. So if they're paying attention to hearing that walking,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: then they think gamesers come and damesers left. And that's
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: that's worked as well for us sometimes to trick them.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: You know. One of the other things. If I don't
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: have that luxury where more most people don't, they help
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: by themselves. I just make sure that I make a stealthy, quiet,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: stand approached travel corridor to my location. If I'm hunting
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the interior into the woods, and that means clearing a trail,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: clearer debris all the way to the dirt. So when
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I walk in there, I don't break a twig at all,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: um and and try to you know, you know, use
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: it again, use the train to your advantage, whether it's
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a ditch. Um. You know, keeping out of any visual
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: sight of those dear is just trying to avoid tipping
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: them off. You When do you actually go and make
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: those kinds of trails, Well, I mean, obviously if we
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: have the luxury, and now that changes if if I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: have a piece of via permission for a particular piece
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of property, or I own a particular piece of property,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang stands. I'm gonna do it well in events. Um,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: usually that's in the spring. We hang them and then
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: we'll go in there and just check on them, you know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: during the summer. About a month prior to the hunting started,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Like I have had my tree stands trim tong and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: everything like two months ago, already here in Minnesota. So
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: they're they're dialing and ready to go. Um, because I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: know my food sources and where you know, I'm going
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: to kind of target the deer. Um. I also let
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: now you know, over the course of the year. So
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: we years learned a couple of things. Um, I like
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the deer, you know, to have I let the deer
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: really have a lot of the timber for themselves, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I kind of hunt them on the outside. Now I
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: let the deer come to me. And I learned that
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: by hunting in Illinois with guys that that don't step
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a foot in their timber ever, and they kill big
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: bucks consistently, And I'm like, how do you do that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I grew up in an area where I had to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: go deep back in to kill a big deer, and
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: now they're they're killing all these deer and them like
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and the guys like, well, I let the deer come
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: out naturally. You know, it takes several years for them
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: to condition to do that. But after a while, if
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: they feel like there's no pressure on the outside, and
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: if you're hunting properly, they will eventually adjust and they
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: will come out in daylight hours and you will be
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: able to take advantage of that. And it's a low
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: impact situation because now you're hunting them on the side,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: which means that you're not bumping them into all when
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: you're getting into your stands and if you hunt them
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: right on the outside, they won't never know they're being hunted,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you know, because you obviously you're getting in without bumping them.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And then when you leave a lot of times you
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: leave in a proper manner that don't also alarm them
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: that you're there as well. Now it could be a
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: vehicle coming in and picking up an ATV whatever. There
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: might be a stealthy approach out of there in the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: evening where you slip, you know, you get down and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you slip out the back door. You know, you drop
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: over a ridge and out of sight and you know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: get out of there. Or they might transition through that
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: area and they might be out in front of you
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: for a little bit there at a water hole or
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a pinch point, and then they leave and they go
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: out to another food source, so they they're not even
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: around you in the evening as dark approaches. So yeah,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I think I've learned that let the deer come to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you in steady you go into the deer and hunting
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: them on the outside. That takes a couple of years
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: for deer to condition to do that, and likely likely
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: of property where you can keep that pressure low, right, Yes,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and if you know A private example is that I have,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: like I said, allfitters and friends that do that successfully.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: The Druries one of the some of the best deer
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: hunters I know in television for sure. I mean, undoubtedly
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: these guys. They consistently killed giants. I would I would
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: venture to say they do that a lot. And they're
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: very very good dear. You know, I have known those
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: guys for a long time. Market very great people. Um.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: But they they put low impact on their farms. These
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: are free range and white tails there are no different
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: than any other free range of white tail around the country.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're tricky to hunt if they get pressured,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: but they're low impact, low pressure and makes a huge difference,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean I live in an area that
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: gets a little more hunting pressure here in Minnesota, so
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: that changes, that changes the whole complexity, and you know
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: your deer game plan you now are thinking about hunting
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: pressured animals. I mean I live next to one of
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the largest wildlife management areas in the entire state, you know,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: over thirty thousand acres. It has great hunting but and
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: it has monster bucks in it. But it doesn't mean
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: that you can go just you know, parking a parking lot,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: walk out on one of their trails, go find a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: perfect tree and set up on a deer trail and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: spectacular deer hasn't work that way. I mean, if you're
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: gonna hunt, you've got to figure out where they're gonna
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: obviously be feeding, where the food sources, where they're coming from,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and then you know, probably back door them. You know,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: figure out where that they know where the pressure is
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: coming from, so they're gonna avoid that pressure. They're going
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to be you know, traveling, you know, in such a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: way that they never get themselves in harm's way. So
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: if you figure out how to come from the back
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: side of the ridge and maybe in the morning be
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: set up, well, I'm deer filtering back thinking that the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: pressure is kind of pushing them that way. Boom there
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: in your lap and you're in your bedding area and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you can you can pretty pretty much have a good hunt.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: It definitely seems to take a different level of aggressiveness
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: when you're hunting those deer that are getting pressure ton
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: because you know, you couldn't sit on the edge in
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: a wildlife management area like that and expect to see
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: deer come out of the field. Because there's gonna be
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: all sorts of other hunters in that kind of situation.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Like you said, make that adjustment, get deeper in there,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: or get to where nobody else will go, and then
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you can and then you can finally get into those deer.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: But I want to take a step back to something
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: you touched on a couple of times, um, but I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: want to dive into a little bit further. And that's
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the wind. When you're in these areas of topography, lots
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: of hills and bluffs and all that kind of stuff,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: can you celebrate on specifically the wind issues you have,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: why that's an issue, and then how you deal with
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: that well, I mean obviously that the wind is you know,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: all over in every direction, a lot of times created
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: created by the topography or the lay of the land.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Now sometimes you can think, hey, and northwest wind is
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a perfect wind. It will be in my face and
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: you go sit there and it's absolutely the opposite. And
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: it's because the hill creates a vortex, so it comes
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: over the top of the ridge from the northwest like
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you think it is. And that's what the weather Channel
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: has told you the winds out of And then when
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you go sit in the bottom or midway up a hillside,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and now it's vortexing and it's actually coming from the southeast.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: So it's absolutely the opposite wind, um of what you think.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: So you kind of got to learn over course of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: time by trial and are a lot of times what
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the primary winds are in particular stand location. Um, it
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't always go that way. Sometimes you know, the winds
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: just are in every direction. But you know, over the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: course of time, I've learned in some of our stands,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: like Tom stands, Tom sount of them. Those areas for
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you know, years from now. He knows that those stands,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: what winds are perfect for those stands. So I mean
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: he's got those slotted in there. And in our situation, um,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean we try to stay up on
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: top of the ridge. Is a lot to hunt versus
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: get ourselves over the edge or down low, because then
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: you are more susceptible to a swirling wind or a
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: wind that changes or something like that, which you know
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: it's hard to control. Obviously, we try to stay send free. Um.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: We practice being sent free as much as we can,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: um by keeping our clothes you know, washed and sent free,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: detergent all the way from start stored and sense safe
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: environment until you get out there in the field. And
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: dressing in the field, um you know, I mean we
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: wear you know, technology clothes that um you know, keep
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the scent to a minimum, that absorbs scent situations. Um.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: But I mean and all that stuff is effective. I
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: mean you gotta you know, there's no cure all, which
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: means you can't go put on or spray down and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: think that you're gonna walk out from mark and that's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: gonna you know, cure you know, any sent that you
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: might have on you. It's kind of taking you know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: a series of steps to become sent free. But that
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: isn't a guarantee. I always say, it just gives you
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a bupper. If you are really truly just sent free
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: as possible, then it might give you an edge to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: or if a deer comes in he thinks you're not
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: in his danger zone when you actually are, it might
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: be like your essenes you but you're at a hundred
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: yards instead of year at twenty. So they might get
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: nervous and they like, oh, there's something here, but there's
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: no you know, it's really there's no deer in my
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: immediate danger zone. Yeah, that makes sense. What about any
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Sorry about that, My little one came in no problem
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: speaking of those, uh of those type of situations when
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: you're in that hilly country dealing with that kind of wind.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: While that's also all that can be a challenge, right
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: hunting that kind of area with that wind issue, it
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: can also be a benefit. And then I think there's
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of ways that terrain like that funnels deer.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Is that something you take advantage of a lot? Well, yeah,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these hills and valley do create
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: funnels simply because there's a lot of the erosion that
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: takes place here. So generally in each drainage there's going
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to be a place where the water washes. And in
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: most situations, over the course of time, especially this year,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: we've had a lot of rain, um those those ditches
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: or drainages become impassable, which means a deer half a
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: lot of times have to kind of go up and
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: go around a steep part or find a place to
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: cross um from one point to another, and that funnels
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the deer. You know, some a lot of times it's
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: at the top of the ridge, or it's at the
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: bottom the ridge is where they get through. It ain't
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: gonna be in a halfway point. So you know, the
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: steeper areas are obviously you know, going to be impassable,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: so um, we look for those. But again a lot
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: of times choose the top of a ridge because I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: can get a truer wind. I used a ridge in
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: my advantage in certain instances. I hunted a big non
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: typical years ago in Bluff at Tom's place in both
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Country Outfitters Place in Wisconsin and Buffalo Coney. He was
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: a big, mature deer that lived on Tom's and you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: with the hunting pressure and stuff from you know, years
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: of Tom's hunters, he knew how to invade danger. He
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: lived out on a ridge that had no pressure because
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: it wasn't Tom's piece of property. It was just an
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: old guy had it. And he never really hunted outside
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: of gun hunting, so that deer knew exactly where he
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: had to spend his time and he would kind of
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: come on to Tom's, but he would come there during
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: you know darkness, and we get a lot of photos
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: of him. But I got permission to hunt this deer.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: It was just one little ridge that this deer lived
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: on him It wasn't a very big area. His core
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: area was very small. He was six and a half
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: years old, and I tounted him as a five and
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: a half year old quite heavily. But I was only
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: limited to hunting on Tom's border, and that was a
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: kind of halfway up that same particular ridge. And that
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: deer every time I would hunt him, he wouldn't show up,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: and when I wouldn't be there, I would get a
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: picture of him, so I knew he was watching me
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: get into my stand. So um, I got access to
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: that piece of property, and I went hung a stand
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: on top of that ridge, and I hung in in
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a manner that with a salt wind that would blow
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: my wind out, he would think he was coming into
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the wind walking along the top of that ridge, but
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: actually my wind was going out over the valley, so
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: he would never be able to pick me out. And
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: exactly what happened. I on the second day, early September.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: He walked right in. He got up out of his bed,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: which he was betted on one of the edges, and
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: he was walking right along the ridge with the wind
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: in his face, feeding on acorns, and he walked right
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: in twenty yards and I stuck him. Unfortunately, I caught
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: a deflection off a rib and went up under shoulder
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: blade instead of into his cavity, and off he went.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I thought it made a perfect shot. It should look
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: like in a video. Because that was in two thousand
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and six. That deer was famous in that area. We
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: called him Moses, and I did. I did a show
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: on him because it was a cool story because it
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: had an outcome. Um That deer showed up like a
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: month and a half later on camera, all stretched out perfectly, fine,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: big scar on a twelve ring spot right behind his shoulder,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: but perfect, I mean nothing, no signs of, you know,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: being sick or anything. And then they killed him during
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: gun the season, so we got to see what happened.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: But I fooled him because of the wind. And I
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: used those edges of those ridges to get the wind
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: in my favor and blow out over the over the ridge.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: And you know, the deer think the wind is in
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: their favor because they're traveling on the actually they can
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: see down, they can see any danger from blow but
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: then the winds completely in their face. So hunting those
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: lips are pretty effective. How do you get into those
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: spots and for afternoon hunts. I imagine that's the challenge
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: is because right, they're set up so well where they
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: can see down below them, they can smell, you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: like you said, usually they're better with the wind at
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: their backs. They can smell anything behind them. How do
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you get in there? Well, that was You're right, that
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: was a challenge, and I knew it would be the challenge.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I knew I had to get into that location early
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: season when the foliage was still on, because he could
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: see me when the leaves come off the trees. No
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: matter what direction I would come, I used the ridge
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: actually as um part of the way I could get
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: in it. You know, the point would come out, so
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I knew he was more on the east side of
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the ridge betted than the west side, so I used
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the west side to come up from. So give me
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: that ridge is a hiding point. And of course your
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: sound doesn't travel up over it, you know, just reflects
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and goes back. But there was a steep erosion ditch
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: that came down from that top of that ridge, and
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I actually went in there in the middle of the
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: summer and cleared that out. It was sandy too, so
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: it was real quiet, but I cleared that out. I
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: cleared myself a trail and pulled. It was basically pulling
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: myself all the way up from using saplings to get
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: into my stand. And when I got to the lip
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: of the ridge, I basically got I come out of
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that ditch and I just was right there and my
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: my tree stand was right there, and up in the
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: tree I went. It was so deadly and silent. I
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: remember when I crawled into that stand for the first time.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know one time I start the deer. I
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: crawled into that stand up day. And when I got
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: into it, I it was pretty quiet gonning, and I
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: didn't want to make any noise because I knew he
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: was really better, really close. I got in there and
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: there was those bedded within ten yards of that stand.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: They did not pay any attention to me. It did
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: not spook off. They hadn't seen me. And then I
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: didn't make any noise and they couldn't smell me, so
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: it was stealthy as I'll get out. And again, you know,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about paying attention to stand
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: approaches and not tipping off deer and how you do it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a great way to get
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: in there and it can be I remember hunting one
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: time um a situation and in Iowa with Greg Miller
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and I hunted this place and out in a western
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Iowa um in the sand hill area near the Nebraska border,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and it was a cool spot because that area is
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: not as big and doesn't have as bigger hills are
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: pretty they're pretty small. And the steerer it was late hunted,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: late season hunting a situation where we're hunting out their muzzle,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: older season, which and the deer were all coming off
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: this little hillside. It's all facing hillside and dropping into
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the self alfa field. We couldn't I mean, you can't
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: like get out and walk across that alf alfa field
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: and getting you're blind and expect to shoot a deer
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: because they you would domino him, they'd see you. But
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: this guy, he used it. It was like a creek,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: an old creek bed, and it was steep and in
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: kind of a roaded out over the years. And we
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: would get into that creek bed about a quarter a
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: mile away, drop into it from the his driveway, drop
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: into that creek bed and walked the creek bed all
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the way up to a blind that he had set
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: up on the end of that little drainage. When we
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: got we crawled up and the deer would they never
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: left the field all day. I think they fed out
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: there in that alf Alls field. We crawl up and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: right in through a trapdoor system and right into the
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: blind and get up and peek out the window, and
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: there would be deery and they wouldn't even know you
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: got in. But people got into think, like a deer,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: you can't go just lazing into your tree stands and
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: expect that you're gonna shoot a big buck a lot
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: of times. Yeah. So, So, speaking of tree stands and
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: different setups like this, we've talked about, you know, how
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: to access them smart, We've talked about different ways of
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: dealing with wind. But something I've heard you mentioned before,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: and I think you mentioned in your book too, was
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: about ways of making tree stands sites even better than
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: usual by using something you refer to as calling cards.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Can you talk about what that is and what some
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: examples that might be. Well, you know, I mean, we
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: we have property that we own here and Minnesota, and
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: and not a big track of lamp, pretty small. I
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: started with you know, just about fifty here and and Um,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: it's hard to manage if the acres didn't make it
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the best it can be. But I also have the neighbors,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: so I can. I want to a track dear to
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: my area. And I created an interior food plot back
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: in the timber. Uh. It's only half an acre in size.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: It's on top of a ridge and we had a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: long time ago ahead and straight line winds that came
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: through there and kind of knocked a bunch of the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: timber over. So it was already an area that it
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: was kind of starting to grow up in time that
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: this would be a perfect place to create a food plot.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: But it's gonna take some work. So I went in there,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: saw it up and cut that a doors are in there,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: and we pushed the stumps off and I cleared and
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: into your plot. So that kind of started the momentum
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: about building a nice little deer, you know, creating a
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: deer drawing card, so to speak, for an into your
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: food source. And you know, I know that there's a
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: lot of people now thinking into your food sources, but
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: you've got to create an area for it. Once I
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: created that food source, um, it took a couple of
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: years to get it right. I mean, I know, first
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I hadn't neutralize the soil and get all the debris
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: out of there, and I put a lot of lime
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: on it. I mean I probably a ton of acre
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: at least, or not even more. I mean I turned
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the ground and white. I had a guy coming there
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: with just a line truck, like a dump truck, and
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: he just flipped I mean, spread it thick. And I
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: started neutralizing that soil. Because that's soil, it's very acidic
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: from all that leaf debris for years a leaf and
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: hedder breaking down. So to grow good food on there
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: right away would be pretty tough. So I started conditioning
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the soil, started fertilizing it. Had a guy bring in
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: some you know, seminar get started working that and getting
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: that soil prepared. I also created a water hole. Now
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: if you hunt here in Buffalo County, are you hunt
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: here in our area? Water holes are no secret it anymore.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Pretty much everybody that owns property in Buffalo County has
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: a water hole on their property. It didn't start that way,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: but people have learned over the years. Um, I think
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of us, Duke Tom and a few of
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: us started kind of that trend. But water holes are
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: super deadly, super effective for creating a drawing card, so
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: to speak, to make deer come to a particular area.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: If we build them on the tops of these ridges,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: we took them back into tight areas you know, that
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: are right on the edge of the bedding areas. And
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: then you know, we may obviously build little trail systems
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: in to get in quietly and can get out. Um.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: But now you have a reason for a beer to
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: come to that particular spot. And we learned a long
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: time ago deer can go without water, but they are
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: off food, but they can't go without water. And all
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: throughout the entire season until it really gets frozen hard,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: the deer are going to use it. They're gonna utilize it. Obviously,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: dry drier years are going to use it more. Um.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: But when when the ruts on, deer I don't want
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: a hot deer gotta go to it. And it's just
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: just an area that really pulls deer in, and I
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: build so I build an interior food plot. I always
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: put a water hole in combination with an interior plot.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I mean it just goes without saying them. I might
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: plant stuff there, you know that comes up for forage.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: And stuff for him, but also going to be a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: water So so I create two things right there. And
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: my I also plant fruit trees and plant apple trees
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: there because bucks really like apples early season and I
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's a sugar content, but the go
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: to apple trees. A lot of guys killed big bucks
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: on apple trees early season. So I plant apple trees
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and obviously it takes several years for them to you know, grow,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: So you got a cageum keep protecting them from the deer.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: If you just plant an apple tree out there, the
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: deer o it will never never grown and never mature
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: because they'll they'll browse it off and they'll never never
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: develop apples. So you got a cageum and protect them.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: You also got to protect them from mice because mice
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: in the winter will to the lower bark off them.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: And so you got a tube them as well. A
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: little bit of a little work, but it will pay
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: off when they mature. And my, my apple trees are
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: now maturing now and they're producing apples, and again it
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: creates a drawing card for him. So now I got
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: apple trees, I got water, and I got food in
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: my food source. I have. I give them a selection
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: of food. UM. And that's tricky because it's a very
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: small area. UM, you know, half acre in size. I
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: plant generally plant corn in the back um because it's
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: also a cover. UM. But I know when it gets cold,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: they're going to utilize that more. They're not it's not
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: going to be an early season. And then UM. I
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: also have clover Nebraska planet in there as well, UM
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: around the pond, so I give them a different food
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: variety for different times of the year. And when it
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: gets colder, they're not going to hit the clover as much.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: You're gonna go in the corn. Some places we plant beans.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: But the real trick to growing corn and beans and
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: stuff and small interior plots. UM. It's tricky because for
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: one thing, you know, the sunlight is an issue for
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: making the food really grow good. But the biggest issue
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: is keeping the deer out of it while it's growing
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: and maturing in order for it to be abundant enough
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: when the season kicks in. So you have to protect
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: it or keep the deer out of there. And we
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: fence it. Um. How do we fence it? Um? You
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: know it's we're not putting high fence situation around this
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: thing is, you know, it's not affordable, it's not effective.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: But what we've learned that works the best. And I've
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: tried electric before, like a six strand electric and that
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: works for a little bit. I'll keep them out there
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: for a little bit, but if they want in their
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: bad enough, they're going to figure out how to get
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: through that electric, I'm promise you. And then once they
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: start tearing it up, tangled up, it's a mess. So
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: the best case scenarios what we've done is we um
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: we just simply went and got some high steel pole
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: posts that you know, we're over eight ft, and then
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: we would go get snow fencing from you can get
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: it from lows, you know, Menard's wherever, just any farm
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and fleet store, and you take that snow fencing and
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: then generally snow fencing is four or five ft tall,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and you go around there and you just zip tie
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: it simply to those posts that you put in and
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: stretch it and then you can put either second layer
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: of that on top, or we use sometimes just it's
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: a bird netting and it's a black burden hedding and
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: we do the top portion in that burden ending. The
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: best part is when you want to take it down,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: you can you just simply go and snip the zip
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: ties and roll it back up and you're good for
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: next year. Or some situations like in Illinois, will take
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: a portion of it down and we create a funnel
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: that way for the deer to enter and leave the field.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: And now your food now fully matures and is as
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: ready for when you want to let them in. Worth awesome.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: So this calling card like it sounds like this in
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: this example you're sharing, right, You've got a tree stand there.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: You're putting this into your food plot with all these
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: different types of food sources in there. You've got a
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: water source in there, so you're adding a little more attraction. Um.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I've heard you also talking about scrapes or mock scrapes
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: or things like that. Do you do you throw in
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: that type of thing into the mix too, just to
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: continue to sweeten the deal. Yeah? Absolutely, and I do
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: that more. Not even if I have a into your
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: food pot, any tree stand, Um, you should immediately if
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: you hang a tree stand, you have any um indication
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: that you're going to leave that there for the you know,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the course of the entire year, you should you know,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: always try to create a mock scrape by it. There
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: might no there might be a big scrape. They're already
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: to where you can shoot to it. But um, I would.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: It's like a no brainer. Why not create a scrape
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: out in front of your tree stand to where you
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: can get a box to a particular spot right in
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: front of you to get a clean shot. It just
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: seems like elementary. But a lot of people don't take
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the time to do this. And it's not that you're
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: gonna make a mock scrape and you're gonna kill that
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: buck in there. I'm not saying that that's going to happen,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: but you know what, it can't hurt to try to
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: mock scrape. And if they start using it, it becomes
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: a calling cart. It really does. And we've done it
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: very effectively. And really what we do is I'll go
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: out in front of my tree stand and generally one
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: or two spots in front of there, and I'll find
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: um a tree, generally an oak tree or some sort
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: of tree that's green and that they're not gonna trash
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: up and be able to bust up really easy. I'll
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: pull a branch down to where it's about six ft
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: off the ground and maybe five and a half but
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: to where it's a perfect height form to rub their
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: antlers in. I'll and wire it back. I'll of course
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: wire it from the from the branch back to the
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: trunk of the tree, and I'll then you know, take
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: a screw or whatever, and I'll put that wire on there.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: And I used to use a string and stuff like that,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: but the string would drought and they would bust it
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: off and it doesn't stay permanently there. And now and
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: then I clear all the debris underneath that branch, and
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I've used urine in there before to activate it. I've
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: used none, but I definitely clear out the debris and
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: bring that soil fresh and get all the rock and
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: whatever else, sticks and logs, whatever the out of that area,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: so underneath that branch is just clear to dirt and beer.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Just naturally see those kind of branches and want to
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: start utilizing them, especially if they're in there anyways for food.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: For food source, there's gonna be bucks there. They're gonna
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: go to those overhanging branches and start using them and
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: all automatically. But if there's no overhanging branch there, they
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: ain't gonna they can't reach it. They're not going to
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: make a scrape there. They're going to go to where
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: they can make scrapes. So I create that calling cards,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: so to speak, and it works like a charm. And
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: every tree stand should have a moch spape in front
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: of it that you plan on being in your shooting
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: lane or being able to shoot to it. So it's
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: like you can pull a deer in there. Just becomes
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: you know, putting the odds more in your favors. So yeah,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I mean we do make moch scapes and all of
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: our you know, stand sets as well, and it works.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: It can work pretty effectively. Are there any other little
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: tweaks like that that you make at most of your
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: stand sites or other little habitat manipulations that make things better?
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Anything on those less well? And you know, depending on
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: the laws in the state regulation obviously, you can add
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: mineral sites to your repertoire or calling card um, you know,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: to pull them in there for that bait stations or whatever.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Just depends on the laws in your your state. Obviously
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota you can't use that. Wisconsin you can. Um
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: just certain certain states allow a baiting and certain don't
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: but not that a big buck's gonna walk in there,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: but he might follow a doll that comes in there
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: for that reason. Um, you know, I mean some people
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: are of course anti bait. So you know it's not
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: that you need to use that at all, um, but
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: it all, it all helps if you can utilize, you know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: making a deer come to your stand location for a
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: particular reason. And I like these, like we build these
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: into your food sources and their food plots in areas
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: that they really are staging areas and transition areas, you know,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: from the bed bedding area to more of a larger
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: food source that's maybe a larger agricultural feel. They are
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: a larger food source that they're gonna enter into later
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: on after dark, you know, Um, they'll come out more
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: of the open areas and start feeding in a much
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: bigger food source. But as they transition and as they stage,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: they come into that smaller sort you know, interior plot
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: and it works, It works really good. So you know
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: that's what we've done, and then you know, of course
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: it's it's worked well. I also hang, it's very important
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: to note that in those in those hunting areas, I
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: have three different setups generally speaking, So if you go
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: to my half acre food into your food plot right now,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: you're going to see three different stand locations I have
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: set up for filming, you know. So I'm gonna have
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: at least two stands, sometimes three stands in a tree um,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: you know, because I take my kids sometimes they like
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: sitting with me, so I have to have a stand
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: for them as well. But I'll have I'll have two
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: tree stands set set up for bill hunting, um for
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: different winds. Um. I want to be able to go
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: back there, and I want to be able to hunt
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: if it's a north wind or a northwest wind or something.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I got a stand set up on one side of
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: the food plot, and then i'll have on the other side. Uh,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: it's set up for a different wind. Of course, I
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: kind of know where they're coming from. Also, I know
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: where the they're coming from, so I'm not wanting alarm
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: them in that way. And I also put a blind,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: permanent blind. And just in the last several years, permanent
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: blinds have really become super effective for people that are
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: owning and you know, managing their properties. There they're setting
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: a lot more core, so there's a lot more being
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: manufactured um out there. But now these we use a
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: blind that's made by Muddy and uh, it's just built beautiful.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's like as nice as your
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: house inside. But it's very scent tight. Um. The window
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: systems are very quiet. So now you can sit in
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: there no matter what win you got and be able
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: to hunt. And and we love to take the kids
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: really go there, um because now I can get you know,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: three or four people in these blinds comfortably, and we
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: can sit there comfortably. It's a much warmer hunting situation
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: for when it gets colder. They can move around a
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: little bit. They're not like they're sitting in a tree
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: stan or you're gonna get picked off as much that,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: you know, just a lot better hunting experience for the
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: youth and older people. It's much safer than crawling up
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: and down a tree or a ladder stand. So permanent
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: blinds have really become more effective way to hunt now.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: And you know a lot of people you can archie
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: hunt on them as well. I got into your plot.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I can shoot out of there just as easy with
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: bow as I can with with a firearm. But I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: have each one of my interior plots, I have two
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: or three setups on each for different different winds. How
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: often can you hunt an area like that with all
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: you've got, all these different setups for different wind directions?
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: How many times do you think you can get in
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: there and out without a mature buck adjusting? Well, if
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I pay attention and not leave any scent on the
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: ground as many times as I want um without tipping
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: them off, I mean, if there, if I feel like
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I spook a deer, I'll give it some time to rest.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: But if I don't ever spook a deer, I think
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: you can go in there as many times as you want.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: People sometimes get a little bit crazy on like, well,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I went in there and hunted, you know, so I
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: gotta give it a week's rest. If you leave scent,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: or you tip year off, or you spook here, I think, yeah,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: I definitely needs a rest, specially a particular buck that
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: you're after. If he busts you out of a stand,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: you probably should change your tree stand because he probably
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: is not going to walk in and let you shoot
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: him out of that stand again unless he has to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: come there for a reason and he's pressure to come there.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: If it's the only food source and he's cold weather.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: He might walk in there again, but he might most
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: likely he's going to pay attention to your tree stand.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: That goes with out saying. With any deer he hear
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: to bust you, it poses a future problem like an
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: old dough. If she sees that you're in that tree,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: or she picks you out, she blows the whistle and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: she figures out that tree stands there. You're in that tree.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: She's gonna check it for the next months when she
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: walks in there, So walk down wind or she'll come
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: out to look. So sometimes you know, when you get
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: picked off like that, you kind of you gotta change
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: the locations. I'll lot of times I'll leave that stand
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: there and I won't pull it down. I'll declaim to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: where they'll come out and they'll look at that standin
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: although I've seen it to where I moved my stand
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: twenty yards away from the other stand, and I watched
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: deer walk right and looking at that standards. They walked
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: all the way, and then I'm watching them. It's funnier
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: than because you're you can read their mind. They're walking
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: and looking at that standard with nobody in it and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: they're like, I don't see anybody, and they keep coming
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: and they're like they ease in there. They're very cautious.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: But as they get in there, they're like nobody's there,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: and they're kind of like you can see almost their
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: attitude change, you know, because they're just on edge. And
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: then you're still sitting there and you're you're over in
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: a different tree. You're laughing because you can read their minds.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: And but you know, I mean, we've done it. We've
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: decoyed deer um so many times in the past where
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll put a like a big open field.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: We'll have deer come out in that field and you
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: can't get them. You know, one day they might be
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: on the one side, the next day they're on your side.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: So what we'll do is we'll take a permanent blind
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: or something. We'll set it over there. Cars don't generally
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: work or vehicle because they don't pay much attention to
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: them to get curious. But a blind is a perfect thing,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: something out of the ordinary. Set out there, and then
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: they come out, they're like what's that and they won't
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: go over there. They'll come over your way though, and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: here you're sitting over there. So yeah, it works good,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: works pretty good. UM. But yeah, you know, good question though,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people, like you know, how how
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: much time should I give a stand, you know for
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: going in there and hunting. Some people don't have that luxury.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: They got one tree stand if you're bumping them or
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: you're putting pressure on them. And I'm also staying very
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: scent free. UM. I do use a product that a
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: lot of people now that are in the white tailed
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: world are using, and it it's very effective product. I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people have had great success. It's
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: called nose jammer, and I'm sure you've heard of it. Um.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: It's a vanilla based product comes in an aerosol can. Uh.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: This product is basically a cover and um it also
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: there's some product natural ingredient in it that helps kind
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: of jam the senses smells a deer. Well. I started
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: testing the stuff before I ever endorsed it, and I
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: know the guy that's done it, and UM, I wanted
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: to test the product by spraying it on my boots
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: because you know, sometimes you'll get trailed in um, a
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: deer will cut your trail from where you walked, and
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: of course they trail you all the way to your tree.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: That happens quite often, especially with two of us. So
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: we started spraying of stuff on our boots and then
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: walking into our stands. And then I started watching deer
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: that would cross her trail. And before we used it,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: you know, they would we probably spray keep on the
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: scent free as possible, but they would trail and smell
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: each weed and try to figure out where that person
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: went and follow you almost to the base of your tree.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: And then if they do get to the base of
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: your tree, they're gonna probably bust you because they're gonna
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: eventually look up and see you. So that's always a
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: big concern of mine. So I started spraying Nose You
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: around my boots and I noticed when they cut the trail,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: now they might smell around her a little bit, but
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: there they continue on. It doesn't It's like, it doesn't,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: it doesn't become I'm not a human to them anymore.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: So that's been a very effective product, and we also
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: use it in the tree to help cover if I
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: got if I got a really bad wind or swirling wind,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: I spray that on the you know, the bark and
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: the leaves around me and it's very pleasant smelling, smells
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: like you're in a bakery, but becomes cover and helps
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: mask your sense. So I know that you've heard of it.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of big buck hunters that are
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: using it and they're having a pretty good success. Yeah,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: I've definitely seen the same thing. I kind of approached
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: it skeptically at first, but just like U saw it
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: work time and time again. So it's definitely part of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: the repertoire now. Yeah, And you know, Vanilla is basically
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: and attracted a lot of people use you know, Vanilla
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: tracks and um, I mean back in the old days
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: we use Skunk here and fox here, and I remember
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: all that stuff sent way for it. It was endless
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: repertoire of cover sense and stuff like that. I mean,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: any years my stuff fell smell like fresh earth. Um.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: But now you know, I mean that's a that's a
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: great product and one that I'm not afraid to put
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: my name on for sure. Um, that works good to
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: help mask and especially your booth walk in that's awesome. Yeah.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: So so final question for you, Pat. We talked a
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: little bit earlier about how lots of times guys or
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: girls have a job where they can go you know,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: they only get like one week of vacation. Lots of
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: times they end up using that vacation during the rut.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: If you were going to give our listeners just like
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: one core concept or piece of advice for really maximizing
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: that hunt during the rut, what would that be? For
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: one thing? Going to a good placed on You can't
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: expect to kill a big deer if you're you know,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: like a boot you know, giant deer. If you're gonna
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: hunt m p A in a high pressure area, you know, hey,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna use Michigan this example. I hate to do that,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, you know, you've got a much
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: better chance of killing a big deer in Kansas or Ioware,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Illinois than you do in Michigan. I'm just telling you,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: so you gotta hunt where the deer are. That's pretty elementary,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: but I get it. I mean, you know, there's a
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: lot of people who don't have that opportunity or don't
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: have that time or money or whatever. It's not Sometimes
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: you can figure out ways to get there pretty economically.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: You don't have to go on a fully guided hunt.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: But um, planning that vacation time is very important because
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: that's going to put the odds in your favor, and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: that's been trickiest part for us. UM. But I would
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: never try to plan my hunt for the very peak
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: of the rut um to where you're hitting the lockdown phase,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: because that can get very frustrating to shoot big mature dear.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: You're gonna see mature immature dear all over the place,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: but those big giant deer get with does and that
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: can be very frustrating because then they go lockdown with them,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna be with them, does you know for
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: of course a two or three days before they breed
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: them and then they finally get sick and we move
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: on and we'll try to find another goal. And then
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: generally they can pick up a hot door pretty quick
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: and lockdown with her. So it's tough. Um. A lot
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: of people like hunting that stage or that, and myself
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: is included, like trying to find that little the window
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: of opportunity right prior to that peaker rot, in that
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: pre rot period to where them big box are now
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: on their feet searching, but they still haven't picked up
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: a hot dough and they're moving there. I mean basically
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: their movements in daylight hours are giving them the exposures
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: that you need to kill them and be in those
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: hunting situations. So travel corridors, pinch points areas that these
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: box are going to be on, traveling through betting areas,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: stuff like that can really you know, up your odds UM.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: But you know, in each state it definitely differs. Like
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota, you want to be here, you're that latter
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: week of October leading into the Halloween period because they're
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: really peak of the ruts in that first week in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: November period UM, And it's about one week later in
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Iowa and in Illinois and about a week later in Kansas.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: So kind of each state there's a little bit different.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: But talking to people that hunt there and talking to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: you know, people that know are you know, they can
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: give you those kind of dates and when that happens,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: um and when that peak is and just those days
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: leading into that period are really the bouma best times
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: to be there before that rout gets into that lockdown phase.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: That's my that's my best advice. And obviously going to
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: those areas that yeah, I'll give you that opportunity. UM
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: calling works very good during that period. You know, rattling
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: running blank calling Can again called big Buck in because
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: he saw all of a sudden thinking, oh my god,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: there's two big Bucks over there and they're going at
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: it because they got a hot doll pinned down, and
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: now the other big box like I'm going there because
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: they're fighting for a reason. So very effective way of calling.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, just every time I ever hear
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: any of our guests start talking about that type of
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: moment where you're rattling and the big boy comes in,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: that just gets me fired up and ready for November.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: So I am ready. Yeah, I mean it comes like
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: a freight train and that's gone in in an instant.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: So that's what I find the most frustrating is you know,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: hitting that shirt wood and window and and then I
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: always am more frustrated when mother nature throws you a
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: curveball and it's like excessively warm and it kills a
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: rut runt time and yeah, just GE's so it's so
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: mad when if you if you got a full moon
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: period and you've got warm conditions and it pushes everything
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: in a nighttime movement, and then you got a gesture
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: of strategy, you know, I mean, if I got a
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: full moon period and warm days. I'm hunting in during
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: that that good time. I'll hunt late mornings, um because
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: deer generally bettered by a first light because they've been rolling.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I'll buck aleay there for a while kind of you know,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: and then he'll get up and he'll start moving. And
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: that's when we nail these water holes. Because now it's
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: warm out, they're dehydrated, their thirsty. So guess what the
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: first place they do is they go to the water
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: hole for one thing, they got a cool down and
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: they got to get a drink. But they also know
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: those go there, so they'll send check that area as well.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: So water holes in those situations are super super effective
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: for those kind of periods of time. And and we've
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: had tremendous luck, you know, shooting some big beer. You know,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: you just never know when you get thrown a curveball.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: And mother nature always seems like late season. You're you're
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: fired up because you got a late season muzzleloader tag
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: in your pocket. For Iowa, it takes three or four
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: years of draw and you're like, all we need is snow,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: and it's like never never snow and cold temperatures. It's
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: like you might get one day, but now all of
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: a sudden it's Christmas and you spend time at home
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: with your family, and by the time you get ready
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: to go back to Iowa, it's warmed up the fifty
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: degrees and you've got southeast winds or east winds, and
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, no, dear, no mature dear
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: movement to food sources. So so much does depend on
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: that weather, that's for sure. Can you, super quick just
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: elaborate a little bit on your thoughts on the moon there?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: You mentioned this sounds like with a full moon you're
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: seeing less daylight activity. Maybe, but can you just meant,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: can you explain a little bit more about how you
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: see the moon impacting dear movement, whether it be during
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: the rout or anytime of the year. Well, and and
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: it definitely does affect it. I mean no doubt it
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: affects everything. In affect that our bear hunt this last week.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Full moon periods are a tough periods to hunt because
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: it just makes dear more nocturnal and dear feet up
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: night time. You know, it's generally cooler in the evenings
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: and stuff. So um, I mean, we gotta hunt, that's
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: what we do. So full moon or not full moon.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: You know we gotta be in the woods. But we
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: see definitely a difference in activity during daylight hours when
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: there's full moon. Um. Now moon positioning or you know,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: where the moon is in relationship to the Earth is
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: much different situation. There's kind of two different things. There's
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: a phase and then then you know the moon position
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: to the Earth, which makes dear animal movement different too.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: So generally when moon is overhead or underfoot, the peak
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: movement periods and that's you know, time to be out
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: there and of course hunting, um, that's when we pay
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: attention to peak activity periods. And you know fishermen do
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: the same thing as well as other types of hunters.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: But um for moon phases, you know, full moon periods
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: generally four or five days after the moon is waning
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: where it's going to starting to go away. It's generally
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: you know when you're going to start to see an
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: increase in activity and dear movement. And you know, the
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: full moon is a tough one in some instances. But
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: then at we have a full moon period, especially in
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  Speaker 1: that rout rut time PREI rout time, we'll hunt won't
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  Speaker 1: generally be out there at day at you know, first
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  Speaker 1: light will back off our hunt to a ladder morning
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  Speaker 1: set versus an early morning set, So knowing that them
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  Speaker 1: deer will probably be are bedded down for a period
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  Speaker 1: of time before they get up and move around. We're
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  Speaker 1: generally starting around nine o'clock in the morning. They'll move
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  Speaker 1: you know, tell eleven or twelve and then rebad for
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  Speaker 1: the heat of the day. So interesting, very interesting. The
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  Speaker 1: moon is always one of those things that is always
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  Speaker 1: kind of fascinating because there's a lot, like you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: there's lots of different theories and different aspects of the
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  Speaker 1: moon that might influence deer movement and um trying to
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  Speaker 1: paint all that down and figure out ways to apply
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  Speaker 1: that to your hunting strategy. That's that's one of those
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  Speaker 1: things that I always get kind of a kick out
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  Speaker 1: of his figuring out how that piece of the puzzle
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  Speaker 1: fits into the larger scheme of things. Yeah, it's it is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it all goes together. You got
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  Speaker 1: i know, people that just won't go and lots of
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  Speaker 1: the moon's activity charts, so it's a good time to hunt.
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  Speaker 1: Over the years we paid attention to it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it it does have a little bit of impact. Adam Hayes,
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  Speaker 1: he's a guy I don't know. Adam Is he's a
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: guy that hunter percent only hunts by the moon. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he paid very close attention to that where that moon
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  Speaker 1: position is um and that kind of bases his hunting
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  Speaker 1: off of that. So you know, I know that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people both in our instance, I mean, we're
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: out there regardless of the moon position or phase whatever.
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  Speaker 1: We've just got to be out there every day because
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: you never know. When you know, something happens, I mean
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  Speaker 1: and the deer moves your way or in a particular animal.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: You know another thing too. It's kind of important to mention.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, when white tail hunting gets kind of poor
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: or lulled out, we we might change and we might
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: go to a place that doesn't have it. Like, uh,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: we do a lot of hunting before hunting gets gets
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: so we don't we don't burn our spots out by
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: over hunting um um too much and not putting your
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: pressure until the time is right to go in there.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: So we'll go to Canada and we'll hunt there for
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Well, there, their deer acts much different.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: They don't lull out as much there. Um, they're in
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: a whole different situation up there. So we'll spend time
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: hunting there for a couple of weeks and then come
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: back here to the Midwest. Want just when they're hunting
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: really picks up and starts to get good, when deer
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: really start hitting the ground. And you know, I mean
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: it's no secret that you can drive down you can
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: start driving the highways and start seeing when deer activity
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  Speaker 1: picks up because the amount of road kills that are
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: laying on along the roads, and um, you know, you
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: can almost sense the time that that happens. So yeah,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: you can. It's definitely a very visual indicator. Yeah you
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: see it. And you're like, time to get into a tree? Yeah, back, Like,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: and I guess with all that said, Pat, we've we've
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: kept you here a long time, and I imagine you've
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: probably got a tree to climb up into here, maybe
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: today or in a couple of days. So I'll be
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: in a tree later. I'll be like I said I earlier,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I said, we're Um. Jeff Janice, who is the receiver
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: for the Packers, has a bye week this week, so
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: we talk about limitations. If you're an NFL player right now,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: you have a pretty limited time to be out there
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: hunting in the course of the football schedule. So he's
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: the Packers have a bye week this week, so I'm
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: jumping in the tree with him tonight filming him and
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: we're over at We're gonna be hunting at Tom's and Bluffo,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Buffalo County there at Bluff Country Officers and hopefully we
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: can see something. Last night, it was it was a
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: good night, but then it started getting really windy and
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: it rained. We had a front move through and it
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: killed it. It was it started up good, we started
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: seeing some movement, and all of a sudden, the heavy
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: rains came and it just kind of shut things down.
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  Speaker 1: And I think tonight it isn't raining. It got a
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: little pressure in, and no, the next a couple of
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  Speaker 1: days should be pretty good because high pressure is going
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: to be moving in and it's gonna be cool and
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: those kind of things. You know, we didn't talk really
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: about pressure systems, but I talked about the druries and
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: they're guys that really pay attention to high pressures. And
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: you know, when lows leave and high start coming in,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: them guys are in the woods and you know, it's
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: just you know, like us humans. I mean, when we
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: get a nice sunny day, we feel good and dry
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: air comes in, amidity leaves were we're gonna want to
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: go outside. Well, dear the same way, and they want
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: to move and get up and feed and feel good
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: about it. Um. Those are the times to kind of
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: especially if you've had a period of low pressure, you know,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: damp human and then all of a sudden, high pressure
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: moves in. That's the time to really be out there
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: because you're gonna see a good, real good deer movement.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Well that's exciting to hear that that's rolling in for
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, I've got a few more days till
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: our opening day, four more days for me, so hopefully
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: we'll be able to catch some of that decent movement
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: here too. And man, Pat, I wish you the best
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: of luck and really appreciate you spend some time with us.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry about the little technical glitches, but yeah,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: it was fun. And good luck to you this year.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: I hope you shoot some giants, and good luck to
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: everybody else out there. I hope and hope to see
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: some photos and hear some stories to everybody, you know,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: everybody can go to our you know, social media pages,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: whether it's hashtake Hunter or Driven with Pat Nicole, Send
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: us some photos, send us your stories. We love to
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: love to see them for sure. Yeah, absolutely, And can
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: you remind us again where can we watch the most
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: recent episodes of your shows. You can watch Driven every
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Tuesday night, central nine Eastern on Outdoor Channel, and then
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: you can also watch Hatch Hashtag Hunter, which is on
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: the Sportsman's Channel and it's on every Saturday night at
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: eight so thirty both times Saturday nights and Tuesday nights
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Tuesday night for Driven Hashtag Hunter Saturday night. So yeah, um,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: we gotta We have a great year of lineup of
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: shows and of course a lot of big deer hitting
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: the ground. So awesome. Well, I'll be sure to check
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: it out and we'll make sure to include all those
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: things in the blog post notes too, So great stuff, Pat,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: thanks again, and uh hope to hear some good stories
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: from you soon. All right, same here, thank you sir.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: All right, and with that we will wrap this episode
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: up and before shut things down, though, we need to
• 1:21:46
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• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: joining us today. I hope you're hunting season is going
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: as well as you'd hoped and dreamed it would. And
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: until next time, stay Wired to Hunt, m