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The Late Debate | 30 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Lake de Bait.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and thanks for joining us on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and Danika di Georgio,
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  Speaker 2: who we just learned something about pride coming on air.
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  Speaker 2: Denika apparently when she eats dinner, has so much salt
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  Speaker 2: meal quote unquote it looks like it's covered in snow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just liked sot. Why won't you so? Why'd
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  Speaker 3: you reveal that on air?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? I just I ate a lot of salt.
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  Speaker 3: Caleb thinks I've got some sort of a sodium matter
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  Speaker 3: and perhaps id't to go and see the doctor.
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  Speaker 5: Have you been to the doctor recently?
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  Speaker 4: Come to talk about my medical records on air?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I know I'm not asking if you've had records,
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  Speaker 5: and just asking if you've been to the doctor recently.
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  Speaker 4: No, I have not. Would you like me to book
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  Speaker 4: on a point?
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  Speaker 5: I think you should because the other thing she's not
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  Speaker 5: mentioning is she when she has water, what do you
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  Speaker 5: drink four liters of water a day or something? So
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  Speaker 5: she whizzes like a race horse. She puts so embarrassed
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  Speaker 5: she puts salt in her drinking water.
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  Speaker 4: Calem Why would you mention this?
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  Speaker 5: Why would he mention it?
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  Speaker 1: The question is why do you do it? Drinking water?
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  Speaker 4: Ah? Because I'm thirsty.
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  Speaker 1: Drinking salt water.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, can we just like not talk about this?
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get into the show. Here's what's coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight. Which Australian state is home to the happiest people?
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  Speaker 2: A survey of fifteen thousand Australians delivers an answer that
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  Speaker 2: man leaves some premiers demanding.
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  Speaker 1: A recount with the Spanish government.
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  Speaker 2: The Spanish government decides deporting illegal migrants is too hard,
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  Speaker 2: so instead they're gifting legal residency to almost a million
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  Speaker 2: foreigners in the biggest scheme of its kind Europe has
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  Speaker 2: ever seen. And how do you solve a problem like Moira?
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  Speaker 2: The Victorian liberals face some big decisions as Deeming returns
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  Speaker 2: from overseas. We get to all of that shortly, but first,
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  Speaker 2: a Gold Coast granny has become the thirty first Queensland
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  Speaker 2: are arrested for allegedly saying from the River to the sea,
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  Speaker 2: a phrase now banned in Queensland under hate speech laws.
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  Speaker 2: Helen O'Sullivan had joined protesters outside the Brisbane Magistrates Court
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  Speaker 2: this morning as twenty six people faced charges under the
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  Speaker 2: lnp's laws. Now, protesters were mocking the hate speech laws
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  Speaker 2: by holding up signs without quite crossing the legal tripwire.
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  Speaker 2: There was this one, I stand for justice for Palestine
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  Speaker 2: betwixt the River and the sea, and there was this
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  Speaker 2: one from the Creek to the beach. Ossie's want free speech.
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  Speaker 2: Helen O'Sullivan, however, allegedly skipped the creative writing exercise and
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  Speaker 2: used the actual phrase rather than an infantile variant. Police
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  Speaker 2: promptly detained her. Now those charged with breaking the law
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  Speaker 2: have had their cases put on hold pending a challenge
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  Speaker 2: to Queensland's hate speech legislation in the High Court.
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  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, three quick points.
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  Speaker 2: First, I agree the phrase from the river to the
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  Speaker 2: sea should be illegal.
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  Speaker 1: It's a call for the world's.
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  Speaker 2: Only Jewish homeland to be violently erased. It's incitement to
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  Speaker 2: violence in my view. Second, I fear this law could
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  Speaker 2: easily become unenforceable because how many grannies does it take
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  Speaker 2: to be locked up before people decide the law is
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  Speaker 2: just too harsh and public support disappears. Whatever the case,
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  Speaker 2: the truth is we wouldn't be in this situation or
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  Speaker 2: needing these laws if our political leaders had shown a
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  Speaker 2: backbone two years ago, but they failed to crack down
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  Speaker 2: on anti Israel protests which grew in size and in intensity.
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  Speaker 2: So good luck trying to put the genie back in
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  Speaker 2: the bottle now, saltwater drinking, Daneka, Yes, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: For that lovely introduction. But this is always going to
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  Speaker 3: be the issue, wasn't it when these hate speech laws
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  Speaker 3: were introduced. So obviously different states are doing their own,
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  Speaker 3: but federally they were introduced to Parliament after the Bondie massacre.
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  Speaker 3: And again the problem is it comes down to what
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  Speaker 3: exactly is the threshold for hate speech. Now I'm not
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  Speaker 3: necessarily opposed to these laws. The problem that I have
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  Speaker 3: is how long is a piece of string once you
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  Speaker 3: start opening that bottle of hate speech? Where does it
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  Speaker 3: end what constitutes hate speech? And we simply do not
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  Speaker 3: know that. So we've got I think it was about
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  Speaker 3: thirty in Queensland now that have been charged thirty first.
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  Speaker 3: She's the thirty first that has been charged under these
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  Speaker 3: hate speech laws. And my concern, and I've said this
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  Speaker 3: from the very beginning once when they were first introduced,
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  Speaker 3: is is this now backdoor blasphemy and are we heading
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  Speaker 3: down the pathway of the United Kingdom where people are
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  Speaker 3: being arrested for saying things that the government does not like.
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  Speaker 3: I do agree the phrase from the river to the
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  Speaker 3: sea is absolutely horrific, and I do in my view
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  Speaker 3: that the hate speech should it should constitute hate speech
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  Speaker 3: when it goes past freedom of speech and it becomes
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  Speaker 3: an incitement to violence.
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  Speaker 4: So from your perspective, I do understand that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you agree with what I said or do you disagree?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that it's working. I don't think the
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  Speaker 3: hate speech laws are working.
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  Speaker 1: But do you think that slogan is incitement to violence?
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  Speaker 3: I do think it is incitement to violence, and that
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  Speaker 3: has been proven many many times over now, and it
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  Speaker 3: obviously is extremely hurtful to Jews, and we have had
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  Speaker 3: a number of situations in this country where they have
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  Speaker 3: been chanting not only from the river to the sea,
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  Speaker 3: but globalize the into FATA, and we have seen worldwide
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  Speaker 3: the consequences of what I globalized the into FATA looks like,
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  Speaker 3: including on Bondi Beach. So yes, I do think it
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  Speaker 3: goes beyond free speech when it becomes incitement to violence.
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  Speaker 3: But how long is a piece of strength, and that's
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  Speaker 3: my concern.
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  Speaker 5: So the issue is that if the phrase from the
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  Speaker 5: river to the sea incites violence, we already had laws
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  Speaker 5: to deal with that. I think it's a dangerous road
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  Speaker 5: to go down when you start outlawing particular words or
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  Speaker 5: particular phrases. And I think of it this way. If
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  Speaker 5: I stood up in public and I said all Germans
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  Speaker 5: should be killed, would I be likely to have or
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  Speaker 5: a phrase that led to that outcome? If it was
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  Speaker 5: from one border to another, Germany should be eradicated, etc.
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  Speaker 5: Would it be likely that the police would come and
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  Speaker 5: knock at my door? I would have thought so. So
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  Speaker 5: the same should be applied to any other phrase that
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  Speaker 5: might incite violence. And there is a legitimate argument that
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  Speaker 5: from the river to the sea is one of them.
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  Speaker 5: But you would not write down in law that it
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  Speaker 5: is specifically illegal to say all Germans should be killed.
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  Speaker 5: And I think there is no need to be doing
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  Speaker 5: those sorts of things. We should just apply laws that
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  Speaker 5: already exist, and if those laws don't work, we can
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  Speaker 5: have a discussion about that further down the line. But
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  Speaker 5: I think there's plenty of evidence that laws like this,
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  Speaker 5: as you say, Danika have not worked and in fact
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  Speaker 5: may have made the situation worse. And I interviewed on
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  Speaker 5: Friday Robert Gregory, who's the president of the Australian Jewish Association,
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  Speaker 5: because they last week put in their submission to the
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  Speaker 5: Rawal Commission into Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion. I'll just
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  Speaker 5: quote to you from some of their submission. They say
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  Speaker 5: in this submission that censorship often covers up a problem
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  Speaker 5: and doesn't address its root causes. And it goes on
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  Speaker 5: to say that government should not introduce additional hate speech
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  Speaker 5: laws until an independent review has assessed whether recently enacted
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  Speaker 5: laws have reduced antisemitic incidents or attitudes, and whether they
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  Speaker 5: have generated unintended consequences, which is what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 5: The situation worse, says laws restricting speech are unpopular in
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  Speaker 5: the Jewish community and broader society. They don't reduce anti semitism.
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  Speaker 5: There is evidence that they increase anti Jewish sentiment. The
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  Speaker 5: same goes for increased powers for the Safety Commissioner. And
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  Speaker 5: I think that is a particularly cogent argument, basically saying
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  Speaker 5: that you know this idea that we're going to stop
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  Speaker 5: anti semitism by banning people from saying things. Simply doesn't work,
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  Speaker 5: you know. Oh, so we'll ban the sighile and we'll
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  Speaker 5: ba and the swastika. It doesn't stop people being Nazis.
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  Speaker 5: They simply go underground. And so I don't think any
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  Speaker 5: of this hate speech stuff has done anything at all
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  Speaker 5: to stop anti Semitism. I agree with the AJA. I
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  Speaker 5: think it's actually made it worse.
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  Speaker 4: So where do you sit then, on the phrase from
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  Speaker 4: the river to the sea.
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  Speaker 5: I think it should be dealt with under incitement to
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  Speaker 5: violence laws that already exist.
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  Speaker 2: You make a really good point because if it's dealt
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  Speaker 2: with under existing laws, rather than having a specific phrase
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  Speaker 2: written into the legislation, it prevents idiots like we saw
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  Speaker 2: today in Brisbane holding up signs that's safe from the
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  Speaker 2: river to the sea, but it's spelt around the wrong way,
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  Speaker 2: and therefore they are not liable for breaking the law
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  Speaker 2: because they haven't strictly broken the law because the phrase
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  Speaker 2: is not.
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  Speaker 3: And when they do that, when they are changing the wording,
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  Speaker 3: they're actually making a mockery of the situation. And that
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  Speaker 3: goes to the Jewish Association's point. It does actually make
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  Speaker 3: it worse.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, I found ironic though is One of
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  Speaker 2: the activists interviewed in the Career Mail this morning said
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  Speaker 2: that these hate speech laws were an attempt to quote
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  Speaker 2: unquote intimidate protesters. Now the irony is pretty rich, is
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  Speaker 2: it not, Because if anyone is using intimidation, it's those
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  Speaker 2: chanting these phrases. But they argue that by not being
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  Speaker 2: allowed to chant intimidating phrases, they are being intimidated.
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  Speaker 5: Well indeed, And of course you'll notice that a lot
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  Speaker 5: of these people who go to these protests seem to
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  Speaker 5: be north of the age of sixty five, probably because
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  Speaker 5: they have the time to be able to go on
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  Speaker 5: protest because they're no longer holding down a job. But
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  Speaker 5: plenty of people seem to want to be able to
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  Speaker 5: have their cake and eat it too. They want to
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  Speaker 5: have the job and be able to do whatever they
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  Speaker 5: want during their work hours, or at least have the
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  Speaker 5: ability to sort of perform their work hours where and
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  Speaker 5: when they want. The very interesting case has just run
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  Speaker 5: through the Fair Work Commission where a woman by the
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  Speaker 5: name of merely torn as Scilla had tried to argue
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  Speaker 5: to her employer, which is of course the ag Ye,
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  Speaker 5: which is of course an energy company. She worked an
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  Speaker 5: afternoon shift in customers service, and she wanted to be
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  Speaker 5: able to work from home full time because she is
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  Speaker 5: caring for her elderly mother. Now, AGIL very reasonably said,
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  Speaker 5: you know what, you can spend almost the entirety of
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  Speaker 5: your work week at home. We just want you to
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  Speaker 5: come into the office for four hours a fortnight. Seems
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  Speaker 5: quite fair. Four hours a fortnight to come in see
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  Speaker 5: the boss, show your face. She wasn't happy with that,
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  Speaker 5: so she ran after the Fair Work Commission to say
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  Speaker 5: I should be able to work from home full time. Well,
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  Speaker 5: thank god the Fair Work Commission didn't agree with that.
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  Speaker 5: They have now enforced that she must go to the
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  Speaker 5: office for four hours a fortnight. And you saw there
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  Speaker 5: on the screen before the schedule of how this will work.
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  Speaker 5: You'll have to go in between one and five pm
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  Speaker 5: on a Tuesday and then make up for the rest
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  Speaker 5: of that day's work on a Saturday from home between
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  Speaker 5: nine am and one pm. And the Fair Work Commision
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  Speaker 5: and said that it was a serious and reasonable attempt
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  Speaker 5: by AGL to offer her the opportunity to work from home,
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  Speaker 5: which I would say it damn well was I'm not
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  Speaker 5: sure what she was thinking trying to go to Fair
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  Speaker 5: Work and get permission to like not go to the
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  Speaker 5: office at all. And I'm glad in this case that
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  Speaker 5: they've at least set the precedent now that if an
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  Speaker 5: employer makes you a fair offer for a work from
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  Speaker 5: home work from office balance, that you are sort of
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  Speaker 5: duty bound to accept it. You can't run the argument
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  Speaker 5: now that you have the right to work from home
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  Speaker 5: full time, because if the Fair Work Commission had said, actually,
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  Speaker 5: you do have that right, imagine how many cases we
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  Speaker 5: would have seen of people saying I don't have to
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  Speaker 5: go to the office at all. So thank god we
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  Speaker 5: haven't got to that point. But I think it's also
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  Speaker 5: the fact that people are trying it on because they
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  Speaker 5: feel like they can try it on. They feel like
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  Speaker 5: they can go to an employer and say, well, I
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  Speaker 5: should be able to work from home full time and
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  Speaker 5: never come to the office. I mean, is it a
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  Speaker 5: job or is it just you do whatever you want
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  Speaker 5: to do. Part of their argument was that they noticed
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  Speaker 5: that her productivity had dropped since she had been working
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  Speaker 5: from home. I mean, an employer is surely well within
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  Speaker 5: their arts to say no, darn, we'll come to the office.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, on the one hand, I feel for the
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  Speaker 2: lady because her elderly mother is suffering from dementia and
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  Speaker 2: has what is it, double incontinence, So mum's clearly in
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  Speaker 2: a bad way and needs help. But it's not Agl's
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  Speaker 2: responsibility to run a charity supporting every man and his dog.
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  Speaker 1: And AGL clearly showed.
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  Speaker 2: Empathy by trying to come to some sort of compromise.
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  Speaker 2: But empathy eventually stops, and business people have to make
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  Speaker 2: business decisions.
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  Speaker 1: As I said, it's not a charity, so I agree
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  Speaker 1: with you.
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  Speaker 2: What amazed me about this story is the sense of
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  Speaker 2: entitlement that being asked to come into the office for
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  Speaker 2: just four hours a week just until we see your
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  Speaker 2: productivity get back to a reasonable level, was deemed to
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  Speaker 2: be unfair and inconvenient, and so she decided to take
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  Speaker 2: your employer to a tribune.
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  Speaker 3: You know often think with cases like this, just quit.
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  Speaker 3: If you've got a problem with the way that your
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  Speaker 3: company is operating the rules that they have set, go
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  Speaker 3: find yourself another job. Okay, the door will close behind you.
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  Speaker 4: Go, no one's stopping you from going.
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  Speaker 3: I'm really glad that the fair Work actually had the
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  Speaker 3: logic and sense because there have been some fair work
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  Speaker 3: hearings in which the Commission has actually ruled in favor
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  Speaker 3: of the employee, and suddenly it sets a precedent which
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  Speaker 3: does worry me. And we spoke very at a similar
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  Speaker 3: topic last night. It's very, very difficult to do business
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  Speaker 3: in this country right now. But who do some of
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  Speaker 3: these workers think they are that they that a company
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  Speaker 3: would create. It's sort of like a two tier system
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  Speaker 3: of workers, where there's rules for one and rules for others.
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  Speaker 3: At a basic soir kia, it's a two tier kia,
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  Speaker 3: but it says that your personal needs are more important
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  Speaker 3: than that of your employer, who is trying to run
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  Speaker 3: a company, whether big or small, and fundamentally trying to
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  Speaker 3: make a profit because that is what they do.
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  Speaker 4: And I also just just as really quickly, I just also.
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  Speaker 3: Wonder whether when you, as if you were a boss,
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  Speaker 3: would this then make you quite conscious in the future
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  Speaker 3: to try and impose work from home rights because it
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  Speaker 3: could be used against you down the track should there
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  Speaker 3: be some sort of a dispusion, it's taken to the tribunal.
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  Speaker 2: The other interesting thing to me about this story was
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  Speaker 2: the woman's husband, who apparently could have looked after the
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  Speaker 2: mother in law said he was unable to do it
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  Speaker 2: because of cultural reasons.
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  Speaker 1: And I just thought that's very telling.
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  Speaker 2: In the age in which we live, where culture is
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  Speaker 2: used as an excuse that is meant to be a
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just going by what was reported in the paper.
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  Speaker 2: It seemed like that was being presented as well, it's
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  Speaker 2: my culture, so you can't do anything about that. Well,
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  Speaker 2: if your culture prevents you from working, then you're probably
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  Speaker 2: not going to eat, are you.
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  Speaker 3: Well that is a very very fair point. But you
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  Speaker 3: know what, there's going to be some very unhappy people
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  Speaker 3: in the workplace.
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  Speaker 4: But that's just the workforce for you.
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  Speaker 3: Some days happy and other days you are not. And
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  Speaker 3: perhaps it's all got to do with the state that
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  Speaker 3: you live in. So my question to you at home
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  Speaker 3: is are you happy with the state you live in?
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  Speaker 3: Spare a thought for Victorians because apparently Victorians are the
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  Speaker 3: most unhappy out of everybody in the country. This is
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  Speaker 3: according to a new survey of Flinders University study of
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  Speaker 3: more than fifteen thousand people, which found Victorians are the
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  Speaker 3: unhappiest in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: And we'll bring up the graph here.
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  Speaker 3: Victoria recorded the nation's lowest unhappiness at sixty five nine percent,
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  Speaker 3: ahead of New South Wales on sixty eight point five,
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  Speaker 3: Queensland sixty nine point three, Tasmania sixty nine point five,
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  Speaker 3: South Australia sixty nine point eight. Wa not surprise my
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  Speaker 3: home state seventy point six percent of people, and the
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  Speaker 3: Act are apparently the happiest out of everybody seventy four percent.
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  Speaker 5: No, you've missed the next one, which is actually the happiest.
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  Speaker 3: Well that the cheeriest, actually the cheeriest jurisdiction the same thing. Well, well,
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  Speaker 3: no happiness, let me just get me want to get
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  Speaker 3: through my.
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  Speaker 5: Bit tipt happiness become cheeriness.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. I think there's a difference if
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  Speaker 4: you go a cheery disposition. Anyway, let me move on.
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  Speaker 3: The Northern Territory is the cheeriest jurisdiction, with seventy five
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  Speaker 3: point three percent of people describing themselves as happy again disappointing,
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  Speaker 3: only fewer than three and ten Victorians were optimistic about
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  Speaker 3: their future, while Tasmanians and Territorians also ranked among the
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  Speaker 3: nations less optimistic, with fewer than one in four residents
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  Speaker 3: expressing confidence where their.
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  Speaker 4: State or territory was.
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  Speaker 3: Headed WA the nation's biggest optimist, with forty three percent
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  Speaker 3: confident about the future of their state. That's how I
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  Speaker 3: consider myself an optimist, and maybe that's why I'm from
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  Speaker 3: Western Australia.
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  Speaker 4: There you go, it suits my, It suits me. There
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  Speaker 4: you go. Now.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I actually was quite fascinated by this study and
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  Speaker 3: I'm wondering whether it has a lot to do with
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  Speaker 3: the lifestyle. So West Australians are apparently the happiest or
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  Speaker 3: the cheeriest of of everyone, and I think that's got
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  Speaker 3: to do with I think that w WA is a
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  Speaker 3: really great.
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  Speaker 4: Place to live.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: You've got a lot of spaces, unlike New South Wales
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: where people do live in apartments. You can live in
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: the city in Perth and you can live in a
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: big house, very very different lifestyle, good beaches, more relaxed,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: more laid back. So I think that that would be
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: why I think the act are quite happy. I think
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: maybe because they're all public servants and they're paid very
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: highly in their cushing government jobs, So I would say
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: that that would be why. But New South Wales and
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Victoria are at.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: The word of the territory. Why are they so happy?
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: Seventy more than more than three quarters of people, so
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: they're happy. I do.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: I think it's got to do with land a lot more.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: You've got free space, you're not clunked inside a very
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: high rise city living in a city living, So I
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: would say that that would possibly be why, Whereas New
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: South Wales Victoria is just so expensive.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I say we ignore this study and we
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: just give our own report as to what we think
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: are the best and worst places to live in. Let
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: me go first, so this is my okay, So I
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: would rank Queensland as the number one state to live in.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: That's where I would be happiest for the simple reason
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: that you've got sunshine and a relaxed lifestyle. Can't beat it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Number two would be New South Wales. It's beautiful but expensive,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: that's the downside. Number three I would have Western Australia.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I like Waddika because it's remote and I hate WA
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: because it's remote.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Number four I would put South Australia.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: AFL is big there, which is a plus, but it
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: has weird crimes, Caleb, But what's number four on my list?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Number five would be the Act for me because it's clean,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: but sterile. Number six would be Victoria. It's got AFL
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: a plenty, but not enough AFL to compensate for literally
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: everything else in the state. Number seven would be Tasmania
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: below Victoria because there's nothing worse than the cold. And
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: number eight would be the Northern Territory because I'd rather
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: live in Bali than the Northern Territory. And if you're
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory, you're halfway there. You might as
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: well just keep on going. It was Paul Keating who
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: said the best way to see Darwin is from twenty
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: thousand feet on your way to Paris.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Wow. I like that. That's a very good list that
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: you've made. Well, I've gone.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Number one is Western Australia for obvious reasons where I'm from.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: As I said, it's a wonderful place to live, a
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: great place to raise a family. And I actually think
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: that West Ossies are so nice. I was there a
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: week ago and you walk past people living as you're
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: on your morning walk and they're like, good morning. You
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: never hear that in Sydney. No one gives a toss
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: about you here in Sydney.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Number two I.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Would do New South Wales just because I do love
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: this state very much and I actually love living here.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Third Queensland, similarly to you, James, beautiful area, beautiful beaches,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: laid back lifestyle. Number four Victoria. I love Melbourne for
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: its culture. Five South Australia because it does, in a
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: way remind me of Perth. Six I'd go with Tasmania
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: just because it's good food, good wine. Seven I would
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: go with the Act just because I think it's small
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: and quite boring.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't want to live there. And eight would be the.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Northern Territory because again I wouldn't know what to do
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: with myself up in the.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Territory go fishing? I don't fish, so.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I greatly eat supercar racing.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Interesting. Sorry, all right, there you go.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Well, I fear the poor people of the Northern Territory
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: are going to be really upset.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Because, oh wait, you're not going to rank them last
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: Wait to lay him Alis now, of course, obviously I've
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: gone with South Australia up the top. I mean, the
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: best wine in the world comes out of South Australia.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: The best beer in the world comes out of South Australia.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: You'll notice that everyone is from Adelaide, so you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: you go to Sydney and Melbourne, all the people running
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: the show, they're all from Adelaide. There if it's so good,
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: because it's up to us to go and actually run
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: the country properly. And so you know, like I'm from
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: Adelaide here I am in Sydney, so you know, all
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: the best people come from Adelaide because we have free
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: settler jeans. We were the only state that was not
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: colonized by criminals. So I think it's the best joint
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: that were a great place to raise a family, great climate.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Afl got everything you need could possibly need, and lots
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: of beaches too. Second, I've got Tasmania. I love Tazzy.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: I just think it's beautiful down there. It's such a
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: great part of the world. Has some of the cleanest
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: air in the world, fabulous food, fabulous wine. Hobart's a
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: great city because it's so easy to get out of
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Like you drive twenty minutes and there's something different to do.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: There are wineries every five minutes. Fabulous part of the world.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: Three have got New South Wales because well I live
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: in Sydney and how beautiful is the harbor. I know
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: it's expensive, but it is a beautiful city Sydney and
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: a diverse state as well, once you get out of Sydney.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Four I've got wa again because climate is good. You know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: you don't have to deal with any humidity. It's nice
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: and warm. Yes, it's remote, but it is a good
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: part of the world, and I think that's actually part
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: of the appeal is that, you know, you do kind
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: of feel like you're in your own country. You don't
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: have to deal with all the crap on the other
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: side of the sea. Five I've got Victoria because despite
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: all the problems that it has, of course with crime
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: and a dodgy government, it is a beautiful state. And
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: I lived in Melbourne. Thank god. I loved getting out
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: of Melbourne and exploring Victoria because it's a reasonably small
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: place with a population of six odd million. There's a
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: town every twenty minutes. It's really diverse country. There's just
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: beautiful stuff to see and do in Victoria. Six I've
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: got the Act because just about the fact it's full
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: of public servans, it's actually quite a well laid out place.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Does get bitterly cold, but you can deal with the cold.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: I mean. The thing about the cold, of course, is
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: that when it's cold, you can put on as many
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: layers as you want until you get warm. In really
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: hot places, you can only take off so many layers
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: before it becomes illegal, which leads me to my bottom
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: to Queensland. Fortunately, unfortunately now, I really like Queensland, but
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: I could only live there for six months of the
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: year because I cannot stand the humidity. That's fair and
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: just from a livability perspective, I just couldn't do it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: I'd love to be up there during winter, but that's
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: about all I could really do. And for the same reason. Unfortunately,
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: the endt makes the bottom of the list because if
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: you thought Queensland was bad when it comes to humidity,
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: imagine living right at the top in Darwin. I just
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: couldn't cope with it. I actually like Darwin, but I
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: just I cannot cope with the humidity.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question, have you ever considered
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: a job in tourism? And no, I think you'd make
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: a fantastic tour operator. The way that you just described
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: every state so eloquently, and.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: You sold it like you would go like you would
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: book a trip.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: To Tasmania after hearing a description study, I'm really stunning I.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Look, the Rockcliffe government probably wouldn't have me for the
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: job of ambassador because you know, I've said enough critical
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: stuff about them on air. But I think it's just
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: a beautiful part of the world and really underrated. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: think it's part of Australia that people forget about it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Job here.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking an ambassadorial role. But if anyone's watching
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: from flight Center and you want to work cont Caleb
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: might be in the running for a job. I tell
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: you where illegal migrants love to.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Go, and that Spain.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: They've got about a million illegals in Spain at the moment,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and that's a lot of deportations. So the Spanish government
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: have decided, rather than deal with the problem of illegal migrants,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: let's just redefine the problem. So they've said, the problem
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: is not that we have so many illegal migrants in
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: the country. The problem is that they're not legal, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: so they're now gifting legal residency and work rights to
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: migrants who apply. Now they're expecting about half a million
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: illegal migrants to apply for residency. They've currently got one
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: point three million applications, allowing for.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Some double ups.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: They expect that within the next number of weeks, they
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: will approve ninety sorry, nine hundred thousand illegals to become
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Spanish residents with full work rights. The only qualifications are
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: that you have to have lived in Spain illegally for
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: at least five months and you have to have a
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: clean criminal record. This to me is an absolutely astonishing
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: decision by the Spanish government. The Spanish Prime Minister said
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: that the amnesty was an act of justice, but also
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: of necessity to continue spain strong economic growth and safeguard
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: public pensions by bringing younger workers into the country. So
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: basically he's selling out his country to make sure they
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: can pay for aged pensions. If you rely on illegal
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: immigration to be able to look after your elderly I
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: would suggest that you probably need to reconstruct your company
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: on something more sustainable. And not only that, but there's
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: probably some political gain here as well. It sounds like
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: massive gerrymandering to me with a left wing socialist government,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: but surely history should teach us the Spanish nation is
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: setting itself up for civil war if they are admitting
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: illegals making them residents on no other qualification than you
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: have to have been illegal in this country least five
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: months and the rest of Europe is not happy about
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: this because then there's the debate will they get access
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: to the rest.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Of course, of course they will.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: You've now got a million people who are about to
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: travel in trapes about Europe because they can do that
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: legally because they have become citizens of the country. This
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: is suicidally stupid. The West actually needs to be saved
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: from itself at this point. Like I can't even imagine
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: the disaster when it was first announced by Spain, there
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: was all this vision that actually went viral on the
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Internet of a whole heap of Pakistani men lining outside
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: of the consulate in Barcelona ready to go and get
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: their paperwork to become citizens. Like it was literally around
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: the block. Because all these men are going fantastic. This
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: is exactly what I have waited for. You don't know
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: the history. You don't know the background of any of
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: these people that now are just going to become permanent citizens.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Europe doesn't know itself.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: You know that these were once proud Christian nature nations
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: built on strong values and foundations. And the open borders
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: policy that's been applied not just to Spain, but you
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: look at France for example, has been an absolute disaster. Spain,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: though has posted the fastest growth when it comes to
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: foreign born nationals. Is it is absolutely out of control.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: And the reality is we're seeing the consequences playing out
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: in real time and these values incompatible with the West.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Tapest and Siesta, Well, wouldn't you sign up for it?
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: You know? And this is just insane. Are we sure
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: this chap isn't Greek? Because it sounds like the way
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: he's obviously been running the books over there that he
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: could qualify to be Greek be perfectly frank, because we
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: know how well they've done it, and they collapse every
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: five minutes. And that's basically what he's saying is we're
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: on the verge of collapsecause they're economy stuffed. So here's
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: what we're going to do. We're just going to let
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: nine hundred thousand illegals become permanent reasons because that'll fix
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: all our problems. I mean, buddy, if you think that's
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: going to work, I've got a bridge to see. It
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: will create more problems than it fixes. And it basically
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: says that borders don't exist anymore. There is no purpose,
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: there is no value in sovereign borders because you have
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: now given the green light to say, well, anyone and
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: everyone should be able to come here. Now, you might
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: think that allowing nine hundred thousand people to become permanent
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: residents who can then get jobs in your country will
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: help prop up your economy. But once you've signaled to
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: them that they can do it, how many more do
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: you think are going to say, I might take advantage
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: of that. And then what do you do. You don't
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: have the resources, you don't have the services and all
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: the things to service these people. Your country fails. That's
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: what you're heading for.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: There's an amazing book written by a Frenchman I think
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: it was published in nineteen seventy three, called The Camp
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: of the Saints.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Either of you guys haven't known.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: It is nineteen seventy three, long before any of this
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: migration issue that Europe has facedly predicts everything we're seeing now.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: It's quite an amazing if ever, you've read a prophetic
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: book nineteen seventy three, he predicts perfectly the response of
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Europe to mass migration and the problems that would cause.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: It's worth having a read of that book.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Of course, another part of Europe no longer part of
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Europe officially, but you know, has generally been considered part
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: of the area for a while. The UK, they have
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: big problems there with illegal migration and the Labor government
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: will currently call it the the Kystarma government anymore, can you?
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Because that's about to end. Let's just call it the
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: Labor government, shall we? In the UK has come up
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: with a solution. They say they're going to create the
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: Independent Immigration Appeals or Authority because they have some eighty
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: seven thousand and four hundred asylum cases that they need
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: to work through. These are people appealing deportations and this
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: sort of thing, right, and so they somehow need to
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: get through it, and they don't have enough judges to
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: do it. They have decided is that this authority will
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: be manned by paid people, but who are not qualified
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: judges or lawyers. Now there's a system. I don't know
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: whether you were aware of this. I certainly wasn't, but
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: magistrates in the UK are not actually lawyers. They're not
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: qualified lawyers. They're volunteers and they are unpaid. They apply
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: and then someone works out the ones that they do
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: and don't want, and then they go through a training
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: course and then they become a magistrate. This is how
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: something like ninety percent of cases are dealt with in
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: the UK. So basically what this would be is an
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: extension of that, and so they would be asking members
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: of the public to apply to become members of the
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Independent Immigration Appeals Authority and then they will go through
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: some sort of training process and then they'll be able
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: to hopefully power through eighty seven four hundred asylum cases.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: I don't have a particular problem with it, to be
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: perfectly honest, and it's basically how they're already running most
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: of their legal system when it comes to these magistrates,
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: So why wouldn't you do it for immigration appeals cases
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Well, here's my problem with it. It doesn't deal with
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the root causes.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: The root causes are lacks or virtually non existent borders
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that allow people to continue pouring into your country. The
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: root causes a failure to deport immediately anybody who is
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: found to be an illegal immigrant, and the root causes
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: are other policies that incentivize appeal after appeal after appeal
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: to the point where they end up with, as you said, Caleb,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: a backlog of almost ninety thousand cases. So sure, invite
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: members of the public to become magistrates, and that'll be
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: a bureaucratic nightmare. Can you imagine that They say they'll
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: institute a vigorous process to make sure these people.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: They can't even find a prime minister. How are they
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: going to find.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Hundreds of magistrates from amongst the public deal with the
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: root causes?
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: No, I agree with you.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Well, I think they should hire me for such a
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: role because I would send each and every one of
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: them back. I'd do a better job than any of
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: governments in the UK so far. I mean, what could
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: go wrong?
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Imagine if you hire a bunch of lefties, you know
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: how they're going to vote on this.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Religion would be a bit a big factor as well
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: on how somebody might vote. And also shouldn't that be
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: the role of government to protect its citizens, not the
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: role of the public to be some sort of weird
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: adjudicator in this whole situation, Very very bizarre.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Look, let's come back home.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Now we've got to talk about Moira Deeming and this
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: saga that is engulfing the Victorian Liberal Party and now
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: there are moves within the Liberal Party to actually dump
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: her over the saga with the vision where she accused
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Matthew Guy over assault. Of course she made a complaint
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: to police, however that was thrown out and dismissed by police.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: The question is now should she be disendorsed because this
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: is a party that is in the box seat to
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: potentially take the November election and they're turning amongst themselves now,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: they're talking about themselves at a time where they should
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: be focusing on labor. Here is what Victorian Liberal MP
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: James Newberry had to say about the situation. I'm here
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: now telling you that since the first opportunity after she
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: released her statement to tell you the next step is
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: for the party to act, and I.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Think that you will see action shortly. I think that
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: there will be, of course, as you would expect, consultation
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: with a team, but it is for the party to
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: act as would be appropriate. I think any good person
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: would have apologized, and as i've.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Get she still hasn't apologized.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Her lawyers have released a statement saying our client instructs
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: us to make clear that she categorically rejects any suggestion
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: that her complaint was falsely made and considers any such
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: allegation without foundation and highly defamatory. Look I actually feel
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: really disappointed, in more redeeming, because I really rated her
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: as a politician. She has been such a strong voice
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: when it comes to the whole trans movement to protecting
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: women's rights from bio logical men being able to enter
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: women's only spaces, and she's been so strong in that,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: and I think you know, many of when she was
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: dumped from that she was dumped from the ticket was
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: a couple of months ago. You know, I came out
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: in support of her, and many of us here did
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: at Sky. But this saga, it's just diabolical for the
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Liberal Party. It's so so bad, and in my view,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: the best she could do would be to come out,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: apologize and move on from this, because this is dragging
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: on and really they don't have.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Any other choice but to disendorse her at this point.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: That's the crazy thing to me.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: This could have all been resolved assuming she made the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: complaint in good faith, right she genuinely believed of course
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: she'd suffered harm. Then after looking at the CCTV and realizing,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: you know what, maybe it wasn't as bad as I thought,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: you simply.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Say hey, I'm sorry, I got it wrong.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: And it would have been play on, but instead she
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: doubled down. And I just think when you've got a
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: team member who's fault position, who's reflex seems to be
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: to call in the lawyers, it's pretty hard to have
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: someone on your team who seems so trigger happy with
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: their lawyers that they've got them on speed dial to
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: use within their own team. The other problem with this
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: is not just More Redeeming, but The Herald son reported
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: they'd spoken to at least six or more Liberal party
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: members about what's happening behind the scenes. So yes, More
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Redeeming is creating trouble here, but so is every single
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: one of these anonymous liberals who are leaking to The
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Herald's son about their talks to get rid of her.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: There's talks about this, talks about that.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Even you'll be there. Why go on camera and talk
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: about this. Simply say it'll be dealt with and move.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: On, because then people will go, well, what are you hiding?
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: I don't think there's any way to get around that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: You know, they kind of have to quarterize the problem,
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: and the problem.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Coulterize it by continual discussion.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: The problem now has been well what else are they
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: going to do? Until something changes. People want to know
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: what's going on. The problem now has become in this situation,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: more redeeming. She should have apologized. But I would also
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: say that all of this can all be traced back
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: to one man, and that's John Pursuito, Because if John
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Pursuito had not tried to remove her from the party
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: for turning up to a women's rights rally all those
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: years ago, no one had know who more redeeming was,
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: and none of this would have ever begun or been
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: a problem in the first place. I think there's a
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: lot of stuff that has led up to this point,
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: and this is a really unfortunate ending to it. But
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: John Pursuito should not be forgotten in all of this
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, we're going to go to a break.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: in tomorrow's papers. Everyone gets a tax cut as of
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: is it tomorrow tomorrow? And iskins it's not going to
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: go very far. That's in the papers. In just a minute, Okay,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: what's making headlines in tomorrow's pay papers. Will start with
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: a Daily Telegraph, which has a big picture of the
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: federal treasurer and the headline reads, Jim's cup of coffee.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Tax cut is swamped by runaway inflation.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: We've been mugged. Treasurer.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Jim Chalmer's tiny tax cut is on the brink of
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: being wiped out by yet another looming rate rise, as
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: the Coalition blames labors spending for stoking inflation. As of tomorrow,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: everyone gets up to two hundred and sixty eight dollars
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: off their tax bill, which amounts to about five bucks
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: a week. Not much, and the way inflation is and
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: with a potential rate rise in a few weeks, quickly gone.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So thanks very much federal government.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: To have one extra lunch a year. Yeah, I'm really
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: looking forward to that. I mean, look, you know, I
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: suppose something's better than nothing. But the real problem, as
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: we know, because of high inflation, is bracket creep.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: You know, they can say, oh, you'll get a tax
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: cut here and a tax cut there until you address
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: the real problem, which is, because of inflation, we are
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: overall paying more and more tax each and every year.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Till you do something about that, you're not really giving
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: us a tax cut, you're just kind of maybe getting
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: a little closer to what it was last year.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: It's not real, no, and so you're happy July one, everybody,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: did you get your email from your power company to
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: say that your bills are going to go?
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Oh? I did?
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I got mine from AGL, so you know. But thank
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: you so much, Jimbo for your five dollars a week.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: It's going to just go really, really far.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: So I have been getting the emails from all my
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: friends in the wine industry saying in the financial year sales,
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: So maybe I'll have to go and spend my two
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: hundred dollars dollars of tax cuts on some wine. I
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: suppose I got to do it before midnight. Don't know.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: That's right?
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, get on it. You better get on it.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: A sap. Let's have a look at the Herald Sun tomorrow.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Housing pandemic, Elbow and jim infect market. Housing confidence collapse
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: as bad as COVID with tax hit crushing building pipeline
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: home prices confidence in Australia's housing market it is that
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: it's most depressed in decades, with major builders reporting a
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: fall in the pipeline of work coming through as property
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: prices plummet nationwide, resulting in a collapse not seen since COVID,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: and they've gone with too little, too late, Chalmers five
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: dollars cup of coffee tax cut already swallowed by soaring costs. Yeah, well,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: I mean listening to what the real estate agents are saying.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: They are genuinely concerned right now about the state of
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: the property market. I mean it's almost as if it's
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: in free fall right now.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: They've never seen it like this.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: But also the whole idea of this is that, you know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: makes it easier for young people to buy home rubbish. Now,
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: what we know is we have a supply problem in
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: this country right now. Too many people coming in, we
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: don't have the houses for them. Prices go up. We
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: all understand how basic market forces work, supply and demand.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: So what are we going to do about it. We're
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: going to have less supply because now people don't want
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: to invest their money in having houses.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Well, you can't tax your way out of supply, that's
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: no problem.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: And it all continues. This is a theme across the
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: newspapers tomorrow. Doctor Jim's tax medicinat says on the front
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: of the Advertiser, hurts house prices and strangles sales. Auction
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: Apocalypse Adelaide. House prices have fallen for the first time
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: in years and auction clearance rates are plummeting in the
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: wake of Doctor Jim Charmer's budget prop tracks. June analysis
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: shows house prices dropped zero point two percent and auction
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: clearance rates plunged sixteen percent. I mean, when did you
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: last hear of house prices reducing in Australia? And look,
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: the government may well jump up and down and say, well,
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: this is great, it makes houses more affordable for first
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: home buars, but spare thought for all the people who
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: bought a house in the last three months for the
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: first time, who will now thanks to Dr Charmers and
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: mister Albanisi, go into negative equity, which means if they
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: up and sold their house tomorrow, they would owe the
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: bank more than they would get back. I mean, you've
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: just sold a whole bunch of first home buyers up
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: the creek in doing this, So it just gets better
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: and better.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Yet apparently the budget was for intergenerational equity. We can't
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: forget that was a theme of the budget. That's what
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: you've heard every single day since the budget and what
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: has it actually done for young people?
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: Bugger role.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Allo, I've got to say that phrase has disappeared.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Actually it's been shafted into the never never.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: It was there and then it was gone.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Different story in the Northern Territory, and we may owe
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Northern Territory view was a bit of an apology because
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: when we did our best Places to Live in the country,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: we all rated the NT pretty low on the list.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: But look at this headline Darwin leeds nation for property
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: price growth.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Boomtown.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Darwin home prices have boomed by almost seventeen percent over
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: the past year to lead the country in growth and
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: set a new median house price record. New data reveals
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Darwin was the only Australian capital city to record home
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: home price growth in June, with all the other capitals
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: slipping backwards.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: So what a calab Denika.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: And I know it turns out a lot of people
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: from inter state are purchasing properties in Darwin and properly
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: prices going from strength to strength.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: We should be regretting our decisions earlier in the show
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: to put Northern Territory last. Perhaps if we want to
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: buy a property, this is the place we should be going.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Well, the reason for it is that Darwin actually has
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: from memory, the highest population growth per capita in the
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: country over the past year. Now it's actually the numbers
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: are quite small, because of course Darwin is a small
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: population to begin with, but in terms of the percentage
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: that its population has increased is the highest of all
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: the capital cities, presumably because people have left other parts
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: of the country and gone to Darwin. If they can
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: hack the humidity, it would be great place to live.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: You'd have a great lifestyle up there. And some people
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: are obviously cashing in on it and they're bucking the
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: true they have to worry about the Jim Charmans.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I don't think we should mentioned if we bring up
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: the Northern Territory News again this bloke's hair, these dreadlocks
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: on the front page there, whoa how long you reckon?
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: He's been growing those ones out.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: For is living his best life?
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: So you with that going on tomorrow?
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Denika, Well you want me to come with dreadlocks?
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd like to see it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd love to say. No, you've got your helmet on,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: the one that you wore last night.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: So that's the only one we're showing on Tilly.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm just going to move on now to the
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Australian News. Fament is a good segue, Bowen on the
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: front page Bowen's World COP goals. Climate Change and Energy
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Minister Chris Bowen says he is not expecting this year's
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: COP summit to provide massive breakthroughs on global climate action,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: but declares Australia will benefit economically from his role as its.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: President of Negotiations.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Arguing it is an example of middle power diplomacy at
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: its absolute best.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Give me a break.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: In an interview with The Australian, Bowen denied the Rise
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: of One Nation had showcased growing community anxiety about the
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: new Bulls transition.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: He said, the quiet majority of Ossie's.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Wanted action on climate change, and we're increasingly buying electric
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: vehicles and installing home batteries.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Look, I don't know what planet this blokes on.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I honestly, firstly, he's not expecting massive breakthroughs on global
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: climate action.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Chris. We've been waiting for breakthroughs.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: On global climate action since he were first elected into
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: the Parliament, and yet I haven't seen any breakthroughs other
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: than the fact that my power bills are going up
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: every quarter. So I don't know what the heck he's
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: on about, but I hope he enjoys himself as.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: He's what the president or something over there.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: He is the part time energy minister, so we'll be
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: paying for him to go and bring us back absolutely
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: no breakthroughs.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: He's very proud of his role as president of this
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: particular COP session and seems to think of it as.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: A great win for Australia as a middle power.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: I think it is a great win for Australia actually
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: means lest in the country. But can I also note
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: if we can bring back that front page at the
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: top of the Oars tomorrow, it has the what's the
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: skinny slender trousers of backfellers? Hey, we're not going to
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: do skinny jeans again?
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Oh come on, a pair of tight pants for your
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: kal Come on.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: I think so. I just nah, I don't think they're
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: all that flattering, to be perfectly honest.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: Have you tried them before?
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: You like a meaning in skinny jeans?
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: No?
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: No, I don't see, but I want to say I
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: would like you to try it, because I mean, you're
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: the one dissing it.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Give it a crack.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I wore ripped jeans into the office one day and
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: oh they were hideous. After what you said to me
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: about them, I never wore them.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: But let's let me just say, let's say to our
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: viewers these things were ripped down down, like from top
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: to bottom. They were like, it's like I've just gone
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: to the skatepark and then I'm going to rock up
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: on setin and do a bit of posting.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I thought they were very cool. We're gonna go to
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: a break when we come back. Wimbledon has begun, but
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: it seems like it's about everything other than tennis this year.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: That's the welcome back to the program.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Well, the Wimbledon tennis tournament has begun, but Caleb, this
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: year it doesn't seem to be about the tennis.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: Well, I know, you get another excuse for me to
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: stay up all night watching sport. What a problem to have,
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: particularly bad for my liquor cabinet, it should be said.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: But overnight at Wimbledon, a couple decided they would get married. Yes,
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: a man got down on bended knee in the stands
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: and asked, will you marry me? And Novak Djokovic was
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: playing at the time. By the way, I don't know
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: how we ask, because of course you have to be
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: whispered quiet when you go to the tennis. But nevertheless,
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: when Novak Djokovic got wind of it, he wanted to
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: become the guest.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: There was a heart he was making some maybe that
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: was for John. I think it was a heart to this.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: Fingers just said he wants an invitation for the wedding. Now,
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: if I were them, I would be moving heaven and
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: earth now to get Novak Djokovic to my wedding, because
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: how cool would that be to have know that rock
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: up to your wedding. But this like public proposal business,
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: like people who are on planes and they in restaurants
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: and they do it in big sporting events like that.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: I don't know. It feels a bit impersonal.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: I don't like it either. I don't like it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Each to their own, but I would be really embarrassed
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: to have a public proposal.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: So maybe they met at Wimbledon, Like if they meet at.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: It's unfair pressure, though, isn't it, because with everybody watching
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: in front of a big crowd.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Well you should know.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: But like I just think it's embarrassing doing it in
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: public display.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Personally, well, I'll.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Tell you what.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Like I said, it's not much about the tennis at
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Wimbledon this year, it looks more like a fashion show.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Have look at world number fifteen Naomi Osaka arrived wearing
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: for her game on center court. Wimbledon's always had very
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: strict rules about attire. She's rocked up in traditional Japanese
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: garb and was very quick to point out the designer who's.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Now become very well known right around the world. Perhaps
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: that was the point.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: What I find fascinating is that costume, and it's a costume,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: not a tennis outfit, is being applauded. But think back
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: to nineteen eighty seven when our own Pat Cash won
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Wimbledon and was reprimanded for.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: That headband because it had some black on.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: It and therefore breached Wimbledon fashion standards. Well, it's all
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: to compare that with what is being worn about.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Diversity these days. James. Don't forget.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: I actually think that she looks lovely personally. I like
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: the traditional lovely.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: If she was going to some sort of Japanese board.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Don't mind look worn over the doors. No, no, exactly. Now, Look,
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: if you're like me, you're obsessed right now with a
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: series called Off Campus. It's a these two are like,
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: these two are rolling their eye. It's a bunch of
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: very very attractive men. It's an ice hockey drama too.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: It's an ice well, I do work with two very
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: good looking men, but here's one of the main Look
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: at him. Gosh that this is the stars of it anyway.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Now it's created a surge in women going down to
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: the local ice hockey rink down in Adelaide looking for
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: a man. So it's done well for business down under
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you're a man who plays ice hockey,
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: you're probably happy with it. But my god, how sad.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Caleb and I both watched a portion of this show.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: It's terrible. That's a must. The ground coming up is
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the Reader Petty Show. Good Night.