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The Kenny Report | 16 June · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: La from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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Speaker 3: Kenny Report. Tonight will cross to Israel and have the
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Speaker 3: latest on its war with Iran, and I'll explain why
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Speaker 3: Australia and the rest of the world need to stand
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Speaker 3: up against the Islamist theocracy of Iran. Australians are looking
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Speaker 3: to leave Israel as we speak. I'll have an update
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Speaker 3: on their situation too. Also tonight, that shocking political assassination
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Speaker 3: in the United States. The suspect has been apprehended. Plenty
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Speaker 3: more tonight too, with a great panel, including the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister's attempts to shut down discussion about nuclear energy.
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Speaker 2: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 3: With the escalation of hostilities between Israel and Iran, the
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Speaker 3: death toll mounts, the stakes for the world have risen,
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Speaker 3: and the level of political and media obfuscation.
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Speaker 2: Has reached new lows.
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Speaker 3: Once more, it's Israel's very existence that's under threat, and
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Speaker 3: while Israel defends itself, it's also defending the civilized world
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Speaker 3: from the horrendous threats of Islamist terrorism and nuclear catastrophe.
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Speaker 3: But rather than support Israel, or thank Israel or God
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Speaker 3: forbid help Israel.
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Speaker 2: So many world leaders and.
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Speaker 3: Most of the media are trying not to take aside
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Speaker 3: actually pretending there's some kind of equivalence between the evil
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Speaker 3: and deadly warmongering of Iran and the targeted self defense
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Speaker 3: of Israel. In fact, Israel is doing the world a
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Speaker 3: huge favor.
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Speaker 2: At minutes to midnight.
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Speaker 3: It's targeted arounds nuclear weapons facilities, taking out centrifuge installations
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Speaker 3: in the Iranian desert capable of producing fuel for nuclear weapons,
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Speaker 3: and taking out the nuclear scientists and defense officials crucial
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Speaker 3: to the weapons program. The end result here is the
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Speaker 3: one that most of the civilized world has a read.
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Speaker 2: On four years.
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Speaker 3: In fact, it's a job that Barack Obama said he'd
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Speaker 3: completed ten years ago.
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Speaker 4: Today, after two years of negotiations the United States, together
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Speaker 4: were international partners, has achieved something that decades of animosity
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Speaker 4: has not, A comprehensive long term deal with a run
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Speaker 4: that will prevent it from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good one, President.
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Speaker 3: Just like his claim to have cooled the planet, this
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Speaker 3: was just bluster from Obama. The US left that deal,
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Speaker 3: and Iran has ignored sanctions and it's powered on with
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Speaker 3: its nuclear ambitions. And if you don't like Donald Trump,
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Speaker 3: but if you don't like Benjamin Netanyaho, then listen to
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Speaker 3: Barack Obama explain what's at stake.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that this deal will resolve all of
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Speaker 4: our differences with a run. We share the concerns expressed
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Speaker 4: by many of our friends in the Middle East, including
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Speaker 4: Israel and the Gulf States, about Iran's support for terrorism
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Speaker 4: and its use of proxies to destabilize the region. But
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Speaker 4: that is precisely why we are taking this step, because
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Speaker 4: an Iran armed with a nuclear weapon would be far
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Speaker 4: more destabilizing and far more dangerous to our friends and
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Speaker 4: to the world.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's it.
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Speaker 3: The aim of stopping Iran getting nuclear weapons is the
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Speaker 3: aim of Barack Obama. It happens to be the aim
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Speaker 3: of Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Kiastamer, Emmanuel Macron, Anthony Alberanisi.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's the stated aim of just about every
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Speaker 3: civilized country on the planet. But the point is they
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Speaker 3: all failed to make good on it. They talked, they
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Speaker 3: did deals, they played around with sanctions, and meanwhile Iran
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Speaker 3: kept going with its nuclear program. So while Iran funded
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Speaker 3: and prompted Humas to attack Israel from the south twenty
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Speaker 3: months ago, and Iran funded and prompted Hesbala to attack
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Speaker 3: Israel from the north, and Iran funded and prompted the
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Speaker 3: WHO to attack Israel from the east. And after Iran
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Speaker 3: directly attacked Israel itself, and after President Trump gave Iran
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Speaker 3: sixty days to do a deal to give up its
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Speaker 3: nuclear weapons and ambitions. Well, then last week, on day
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Speaker 3: sixty one, Israel launched its attack. Israel could never let
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Speaker 3: Iran get nuclear weapons. Why or because Iran is committed
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Speaker 3: to eliminating Israel from the face of the planet.
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Speaker 2: Here are some scenes from Iran just last week.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, while the world played around with failed diplomacy, Israel
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Speaker 3: could not leave any of this to chance. On my
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Speaker 3: trip to Israel last month, the main question we discussed
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Speaker 3: with security experts is when there would be an attack
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Speaker 3: on Iran's nuclear program and whether it will be the
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Speaker 3: US or Israel who launched it.
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Speaker 2: This is the.
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Speaker 3: Crucial issue we've discussed on this program for years.
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Speaker 2: If Iran is successful in securing nuclear weapons, that is
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Speaker 2: an absolute strategic disaster. Iran doesn't deserve a seat at
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Speaker 2: the table. They have become.
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Speaker 5: They have been for a long time, a rogue regime,
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Speaker 5: a criminal regime.
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Speaker 2: Which should be no under no illusions here.
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Speaker 6: This conclicte between Israel and a mask is simply about
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Speaker 6: in Israeli Palestinian land dispute. Yes, there's elements of that,
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Speaker 6: but by and largest, a much larger conflict driven by
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Speaker 6: the destabilizing acts of a country like Iran.
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Speaker 7: Iran has to stop sponsoring terrorism, and it's learned a
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Speaker 7: pretty bloody lesson from the sponsoring of terrorism that has
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Speaker 7: been doing since the seventh of October twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 7: But they need to know they will not be allowed
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Speaker 7: to go ahead with the nuclear weapon. And the Americans
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Speaker 7: in the Israelis have made it they will destroy Iran's
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Speaker 7: nuclear facilities if they keep going down this path.
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Speaker 8: Iran it's probably somewhere between a week or maybe a
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Speaker 8: few months away from being able to build a nuclear
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Speaker 8: weapon itself. Israel has one chance now it can attempt
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Speaker 8: to degrade that Iranian capability quickly, or by Christmas New Year, Chris,
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Speaker 8: Iran will have a nuclear bomb.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So don't listen to anyone who's pretending this came out
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Speaker 3: of nowhere. Don't pretend this is an act of Israeli aggression.
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Speaker 3: And also don't pretend it's got nothing to do with Australia,
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Speaker 3: because Iran exports terrorism and its terrorist tentacles have reached
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Speaker 3: all the way to Australia, and Iran is backed by Russia,
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Speaker 3: and it's part of the China, Russia and North Korea
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Speaker 3: axis that's destabilizing the global order as we speak. So
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Speaker 3: this matters to all Western nations. Yet listen to our
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Speaker 3: government Australia.
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Speaker 9: Of course, I've expressed before our concern about Iran gaining
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Speaker 9: the capacity of nuclear weapons as something there's a threat
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Speaker 9: to security in the region. But we, along with other
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Speaker 9: like minded countries, do want to see that priority on
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Speaker 9: dialogue and diplomacy.
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Speaker 3: Really, isn't the point here that dialogue and diplomacy have
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Speaker 3: failed to stop Iran exporting terrorism or from pursuing nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 3: Shouldn't alban easy first point? His first point on this
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Speaker 3: be to demand that a Ram ends its nuclear weapons program.
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Speaker 3: He says he sees the threat, but he's not a
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Speaker 3: no plan to deal with it Israel does.
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Speaker 2: Penny Wong is even worse.
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Speaker 10: I directly put to the Iranian Foreign minister. We are
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Speaker 10: saying to you exercise restraint, return to diplomacy and dialogue
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Speaker 10: because continue to escalate this has consequences for all peoples
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Speaker 10: of the region. And I think that is a position
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Speaker 10: that so many countries in the world are put in too,
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Speaker 10: not only the Iranians but also to the Israelis.
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Speaker 3: This is disgraceful. What about is a horrible moral equivalence.
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Speaker 3: There is a right side here. There is good and
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Speaker 3: there is evil, and Australia should stand with Israel against evil. Besides,
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Speaker 3: there's our national interests. It's in our national interests to
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Speaker 3: defeat global terrorism and ensure a rogue theocratic state doesn't
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Speaker 3: get nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 2: And how about humanity?
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Speaker 3: Wong and Alberizi have spent the past year and a
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Speaker 3: half erroneously suggesting that Israel has deliberately killed innocent civilians
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Speaker 3: in Gaza. That have been wrong, perpetuating falsehoods because no
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Speaker 3: army in history has done more to protect civilians than
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Speaker 3: the Israeli army in Gaza these past twenty months. But
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Speaker 3: their suggestion that Israel has been harming civilians, So why
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Speaker 3: don't they make that distinction?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 3: Israel is clearly targeting Iranian military, nuclear and government facilities,
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Speaker 3: but Iran is firing missiles into Israeli cities, deliberately targeting
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Speaker 3: Israeli civilians. How can it be that Wong and Albanezi
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Speaker 3: and the rest of the civilized world don't condemn this outright?
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Speaker 3: Why aren't they calling this out as a war crime?
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Speaker 3: What's their excuse for this moral inconsistency? Is it okay
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Speaker 3: to target Israeli civilians?
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Speaker 5: Here we can see some of the aftermath in central Israel.
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Speaker 5: Israeli police have said a missile fell in a coastal area,
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Speaker 5: causing damage.
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Speaker 3: Israelis are taking shelter on and off when missiles are
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Speaker 3: incoming in wartime practices that they've become used over the
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Speaker 3: past couple of decades. In Iran, undercover Israeli agents have
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Speaker 3: infiltrated with reports that Mossad was able to launch drone
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Speaker 3: and even car bomb attacks against specific military targets and
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Speaker 3: personnel from inside the Islamic Republic. There are also reports
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Speaker 3: that large numbers of Iranians are rebelling and against the
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Speaker 3: government and actually reveling in the attacks against the extremist
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Speaker 3: Islamus regime. And there are senior Iranian figures outside the
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Speaker 3: country now calling for the people of Iran to overthrow
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Speaker 3: the Mullers.
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Speaker 11: The Irunan people are willing to do their part.
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Speaker 12: In fact, they've done this so many times with no
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Speaker 12: help whatsoever, but they're willing to risk life and leave.
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Speaker 11: In order to finally overcome.
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Speaker 12: Last night, people on the streets were angry, chanting death
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Speaker 12: to the dictatory.
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Speaker 11: Yet again. They know who the enemy is.
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Speaker 3: There are unconfirmed reports the senior Iranian leaders have been
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Speaker 3: flying their families out of the country. So far, the
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Speaker 3: US has not been drawn directly into this conflict, and
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Speaker 3: President Trump is offering Iran the chance to abandon its
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Speaker 3: nuclear ambitions in exchange for peace.
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Speaker 2: Well, I hope there's going to be a deal. I
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Speaker 2: think that's time for a deal, and we'll see what happens.
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Speaker 5: But sometimes they have to fade it out.
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Speaker 2: But we're going to see what happens. I think there's
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Speaker 2: a good chance you'll be a deal.
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Australians are advised not to travel to Israel or Iran,
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Speaker 3: not that it's easy to enter either country at the moment.
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Speaker 3: In fact, efforts are under way to get Australian visitors
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Speaker 3: out of Israel, including Olympic champion and former labor Senator
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Speaker 3: Nova Peris, who posted this video from a bombsheld on
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Speaker 3: the weekend.
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Speaker 13: All of the Western world, you should be standing with Israel.
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Speaker 13: The Jewish people, the Jewish people that love life, that
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Speaker 13: contribute to life.
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Speaker 14: That don't want to take over anyone else's life.
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Speaker 11: This is their land, This is where they belong at.
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Speaker 11: Israel is not.
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Speaker 2: Going anywhere, Nova Peris.
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Speaker 3: They're standing up for Israel while sheltering from Iranian missiles.
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Speaker 3: Israel is far from the pariah state that so many
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Speaker 3: pretend it is. Israel is at the vanguard of the
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Speaker 3: fight against terrorism, against rogue states getting nuclear weapons, and
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Speaker 3: against genocidal and intolerant ideologies.
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Speaker 15: If you stand with humanity, you stand with Israel.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: If you think our Prime Minister looks weak and merely
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Speaker 3: mouthed over the great issues of war and peace globally,
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Speaker 3: wait till you see him on domestic energy policy. I
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Speaker 3: really couldn't believe this when I saw it. Actually, I
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Speaker 3: read the transcript first and then decided I needed to
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Speaker 3: see the tape, and then I thought you.
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Speaker 2: Needed to see it too.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister was in Seattle on the weekend, where
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Speaker 3: he was announcing good news A twenty billion dollar investment
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Speaker 3: in Australia by Amazon to set up major AI data
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Speaker 3: sent is in.
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Speaker 2: Sydney and Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: Now, the thing is, we all know that these data
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Speaker 3: centers need a lot of energy, huge amounts of electricity
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Speaker 3: twenty four to seven, which is why the Amazon Amazon
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Speaker 3: boss said this last year.
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Speaker 16: We see the need for gigawatts of power in the
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Speaker 16: coming years and there's not going to be enough wind
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Speaker 16: and solar projects to be able to meet the needs,
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Speaker 16: and so nuclear is a great opportunity. Also, the technology
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Speaker 16: is really advancing to a place with SMRs where there's
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Speaker 16: going to be a new technology that's going to be safe,
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Speaker 16: there's going to be easily too easy to manufacture.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough.
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Speaker 3: So obviously at the weekend's announcement, Amazon was going to
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Speaker 3: be asked about energy. And what's truly pathetic is our
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister's reaction Watch this as he tries to intervene,
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Speaker 3: actually tries to rule the question out of order or something.
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Speaker 17: Is nuclear in addition to renewables, something that will be
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Speaker 17: needed to ensure that humanity can get to those next levels.
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Speaker 9: I think to be fair, jennif asking the USCO about domestic.
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Speaker 18: It's about energy policies it.
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Speaker 19: I'm okay, Look, I think you know definitely the explosion
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Speaker 19: of AI requires a lot of power, and so that's
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Speaker 19: one of the things we're thinking about. I think here
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Speaker 19: in the United States we see nuclear as part of
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Speaker 19: that portfolio.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's okay, mister Prime Minister. I run Amazon. I
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Speaker 15: can handle a question about energy.
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Speaker 3: He went on to say that in Australia they're investing
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Speaker 3: in wind and solar. But a word of advice for
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Speaker 3: the Prime minister. Nuclear energy might be banned in this country,
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Speaker 3: which is a sad sort of accident of history.
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Speaker 2: But you can't ban the word.
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Speaker 3: We have a free media and you can't ban any
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Speaker 3: discussion of nuclear energy. We know it exists, and we
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Speaker 3: know that most of the developed world is investing in
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Speaker 3: a big time because they want reliable, emissions free electricity.
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Speaker 3: We haven't heard much about climate change or global warming lately,
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Speaker 3: mainly because it's been cold.
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Speaker 15: They all go quiet when it's cold, don't they.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if you read carefully enough and in the
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Speaker 3: right places, you might even know that the Antarctic ice
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Speaker 3: shelf has expanded this year. That doesn't really fit the
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Speaker 3: climate alarmist narrative, does it. Anyway, I know you must
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Speaker 3: be missing the focus on climate, so I thought i'd
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Speaker 3: show you some Australian university research that's been revealed at
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Speaker 3: a US conference and published recently. This research is from
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Speaker 3: the Flinders University in South Australia and it looks at
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Speaker 3: obstructive sleep apnea or OSA, and it's come up with
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Speaker 3: a climate change angle. Rising temperatures increase the severity of
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Speaker 3: obstructive sleep apnea is what the research has found, and
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Speaker 3: they said that if temperatures rise two degrees or more,
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Speaker 3: we'll end up with one and a half to three
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Speaker 3: times as much sleep apnear by the end of the century.
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Speaker 3: You gotta love it, don't you. If you're not sufficiently
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Speaker 3: motivated by the fight to save the planet, perhaps you'll
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Speaker 3: join the fight against a possible rise in the incidents
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Speaker 3: of sleep at their I checked the Mayo Clinic website
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Speaker 3: and they say the main risk factors for sleep at
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Speaker 3: their being overweight and smoking or drinking. It might be
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Speaker 3: best for sufferers to focus on those risk factors rather.
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Speaker 15: Than trying to cool the planet.
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Speaker 3: Now, let's get an update on what's happening in Israel,
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Speaker 3: especially when it comes to Australians. And I'm joined by
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Speaker 3: Paul Rubinstein, who's the New South Wales chair of the
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Speaker 3: Australia Israel and Jewish Affairs Counselor joins me live from Sydney.
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Speaker 15: Good to talk to you again, Paul.
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Speaker 3: I've got to ask first about the group of Ozzsis
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Speaker 3: in Israeli. At the moment, they're on a study tour
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Speaker 3: that your organization round, like the one I did last month.
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Speaker 3: The Australian's Page Taylor is in that group and nov
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Speaker 3: Paris we saw a video of her earlier. My understanding
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Speaker 3: is that that you might have been able to get
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Speaker 3: them out of Israel into Jordan in the last little while.
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Speaker 2: Can you bring us up to speed.
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Speaker 18: Well, yes, we've been trying to do that and I've
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Speaker 18: got to say that the Australian Embassy in Tel Aviv
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Speaker 18: has actually been extremely helpful, as is the diplomatic staff
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Speaker 18: in Jordan, and hopefully we'll have some good news. As
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Speaker 18: I was walking in here, I heard that they were
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Speaker 18: actually on their way, So hopefully that goes without incident
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Speaker 18: and we'll know in the next hour or two.
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Speaker 20: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Good.
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Speaker 3: We'll update people if we hear something throughout the hour.
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Speaker 3: But I did get a message saying that they are
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Speaker 3: at the border checkpoint heading into Jordan. So hopefully that's
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Speaker 3: the case and they can fly out of there. Do
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Speaker 3: you have any idea of how many other Australians are
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Speaker 3: in Israel and are keen to get out?
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Speaker 18: Look, I don't know the exact numbers, but I have
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Speaker 18: heard there's quite a few people. There are several groups.
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Speaker 18: There are a lot of tourists there, and many people
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Speaker 18: are sort of stuck. Some people who are a bit
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Speaker 18: more familiar with the situation are sort of happy to
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Speaker 18: stay put, thinking that that is the safest option. But others,
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Speaker 18: of course have gone and trying to get to Jordan.
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Speaker 18: I've even heard people trying to chart a boats and
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Speaker 18: get to Cypress, etc. But I know that some people
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Speaker 18: are more anxious than others. But there are quite a
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Speaker 18: few people there in that situation.
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Speaker 3: The last toll I saw was that five Israelis have
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Speaker 3: been killed. You, of course, were in Israel on that
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Speaker 3: trip with me just a few weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: You know exactly what it's like.
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Speaker 3: The sirens go off, people go to car parks or
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Speaker 3: any underground facility, some sort of bomb shoulder. So Israelis,
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Speaker 3: of course are world drilled on this, but there's so
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Speaker 3: many rockets coming in now, they're targeting civilian areas.
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Speaker 2: People have been killed.
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Speaker 3: What's your sense from friends and colleagues on the ground
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Speaker 3: as to just how terrifying it is at the moment.
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Speaker 18: Well, I think, you know, Israelis have been conditioned to
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Speaker 18: this for a very long time. Unfortunately, you know, they've
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Speaker 18: had to deal with rocket far since the scuds back
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Speaker 18: in the you know, the nineties, so they're familiar with
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Speaker 18: what HAPs to happen. But this is another order of magnitude, Chris.
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Speaker 18: I mean, as you alluded to in your introduction, I mean,
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Speaker 18: what we have now is indiscriminate ballistic missiles. This is
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Speaker 18: a different type of missile raining down on civilian populations,
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Speaker 18: and of course, unfortunately some of them are cracking through
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Speaker 18: and hitting. I mean, I still think it's still an
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Speaker 18: incredible accomplishment that so many of them are being thwarted.
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Speaker 2: But this is really quite scary.
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Speaker 18: So I think Israelis are quite stoic, you know, they
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Speaker 18: take it in their stride and they understand that. I've
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Speaker 18: been watching the Israeli media and there's increasing calls for
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Speaker 18: people to be extremely careful and to take these things seriously.
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Speaker 18: I think in the past people have really been a
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Speaker 18: bit blase about it. But now everybody, everybody is going
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Speaker 18: to shelters, everybody is getting into their safe rooms. But
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Speaker 18: unfortunately there are some buildings before the nineteen nineties which
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Speaker 18: just don't have adequate protection, and that if you look
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Speaker 18: at the casualty figures, that is where most of the
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Speaker 18: casualties and deaths coming from from people who haven't been
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Speaker 18: able to make it into those into those places. So
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Speaker 18: I'd say, you know, stoicism, there's a lot of black humor,
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Speaker 18: and you know, they really are quite remarkable in the
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Speaker 18: way that they hold up. But it is pretty scary,
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Speaker 18: and this is a different level of risk.
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Speaker 3: Talk to us about the action itself, how necessary it was,
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Speaker 3: how expected it was. There are commentators and politicians in
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Speaker 3: the West who try and suggest this has come out
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Speaker 3: of the blue, but anybody involved in these issues for
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Speaker 3: the last decade has always been focused on the Iranian
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Speaker 3: nuclear threat. The diplomacy has obviously failed over a long
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Speaker 3: period of time, and certainly over the past months, the
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Speaker 3: intense focus of American and Israeli diplomacy has been on
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Speaker 3: whether when to strike, who to strike, how to strike,
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Speaker 3: So it can hardly have been a surprise, certainly to
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Speaker 3: anyone in Israel.
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Speaker 18: Well, absolutely, I don't think it's I mean, I think
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Speaker 18: the timing is clearly a surprise to everybody. I mean,
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Speaker 18: the Israelis clearly did take advantage of the situation and
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Speaker 18: the talks and the Iranian complacency, thinking that they were
21:02
Speaker 18: they had cover with the dialogue with America. So they're
21:06
Speaker 18: clearly that that aspect of it is surprising. But the
21:08
Speaker 18: fact that it's actually happening is not surprising to Israelis
21:10
Speaker 18: at all. I mean, this is a this is a
21:12
Speaker 18: regime which is maniacal. It is an Islamicist, you know,
21:18
Speaker 18: sort of crazy regime that means what it says. And
21:21
Speaker 18: it's been threatening to wipe out the Jewish people in
21:23
Speaker 18: Israel for decades. It's been its rezondetra since it took
21:27
Speaker 18: power forty years ago. And so you know, everyone has
21:30
Speaker 18: known that a time will come where this actually has
21:33
Speaker 18: to be dealt with that words words, words are not
21:36
Speaker 18: the way to solve this. I mean, you know, to
21:39
Speaker 18: take from Winston Churchill, there's a time for George or
21:42
Speaker 18: but there's a time for war. War, and Israel reached
21:44
Speaker 18: that point in the last couple of weeks, it came
21:47
Speaker 18: patently obvious that Israel was that Iran was never ever
21:52
Speaker 18: going to release its relinquish its ambition to get a
21:54
Speaker 18: nuclear bomb. It would never give up Richmond it you
21:59
Speaker 18: know it. It spurned the IAEA that clearly censured it,
22:07
Speaker 18: and it doubled down and said that they were going
22:08
Speaker 18: to continue on this path. So the Israelis were not
22:11
Speaker 18: willing to risk another October seven and not listen to
22:14
Speaker 18: what they were being told. So I think the interesting
22:16
Speaker 18: thing as well amongst Israelis is that across the political
22:20
Speaker 18: spectrum there's support for what's happening. They understand that they're
22:25
Speaker 18: paying a terrible price. These are things that have never
22:27
Speaker 18: happened before in Israel. Civilian centers been subjected to damage
22:31
Speaker 18: like this, But they understand that it's better to have
22:34
Speaker 18: one hundred buildings destroyed and scores of casualties than to
22:37
Speaker 18: have a whole city burned down to the ground with
22:39
Speaker 18: a nuclear weapon.
22:40
Speaker 3: Talking about those political considerations, it's not surprising. Give me
22:44
Speaker 3: your thoughts on the Australian government's result response. Now, on
22:48
Speaker 3: the one hand, you have Penny Wong and Anthony Albernez.
22:51
Speaker 3: You're saying they understand the threat of a nuclear around,
22:54
Speaker 3: but they say let's have talk and dialogue. Now, obviously
22:57
Speaker 3: everyone would like this resolved the next instant and with
23:00
Speaker 3: Iran relinquishing its nuclear ambitions. But why don't we hear
23:05
Speaker 3: more from alban Easy about demanding that how can anybody
23:08
Speaker 3: who go forward from here without run first relinquishing any
23:13
Speaker 3: nuclear weapons ambitions?
23:17
Speaker 18: Well, look, Chris, I mean I agree with that. I
23:20
Speaker 18: mean they you know, the statements from our foreign minister
23:23
Speaker 18: and Prime minism, and they did recognize the threat to
23:26
Speaker 18: the international world order and to Israel. So that is
23:30
Speaker 18: that is, that is a good thing. But I don't
23:32
Speaker 18: know why they didn't follow that up with a dose
23:33
Speaker 18: of reality. I mean then to sort of talk about
23:36
Speaker 18: the path through to this being dialogue and diplomacy. Unfortunately,
23:39
Speaker 18: is just not grounded in any any form of reality.
23:42
Speaker 18: There's a complete disconnect with what's going on in the ground.
23:46
Speaker 18: And i'd say that, you know, the reaction, My reaction
23:50
Speaker 18: is one of really I suppose disappointment, and I'm disappointed
23:53
Speaker 18: in it because you know, I would have expected Australia,
23:57
Speaker 18: which has had a great foreign policy and thoughtful policy
24:02
Speaker 18: for many, many years and has played a role I
24:04
Speaker 18: would have expected them to clearly be able to support
24:06
Speaker 18: an ally in a position like this, I mean, Israel's
24:09
Speaker 18: in a position where I said, it's fighting against not
24:12
Speaker 18: only the fact that Iran itself is trying to do this,
24:16
Speaker 18: but it is the epicenter of what's been going on
24:18
Speaker 18: since October the seventh. It's stood behind the hoot is,
24:21
Speaker 18: the has Balah Hamas of course you know seven fronts,
24:25
Speaker 18: and of course it's the absolute center of all of
24:28
Speaker 18: the anti Semitic lies that you see being propagated around
24:31
Speaker 18: the media and the world. So it's like the epicenter
24:33
Speaker 18: of all of this. And why we can't have statements
24:35
Speaker 18: that are fully supportive of Israel in that predicament, I mean,
24:38
Speaker 18: I find that pretty disappointing. And the other thing that's disappointing,
24:42
Speaker 18: as you said, is about is the take on international law.
24:45
Speaker 18: I mean, unfortunately, our government has been pretty quick to
24:51
Speaker 18: sort of suggest or imply that Israel's not complying with
24:54
Speaker 18: international law, that it's in breach of humanitarian law, all
24:57
Speaker 18: sorts of things, and yet now witnessing war crimes, indiscriminate firing,
25:04
Speaker 18: of ballistic missiles on population centers. I mean, you can't
25:07
Speaker 18: actually think of a more grievous breach of international law,
25:10
Speaker 18: and yet there's kind of silence.
25:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said Paul Well said indeed, Paul Rubinstein there,
25:16
Speaker 3: who chairs the New South Wales branch of the AJAC,
25:19
Speaker 3: the Australia Israel Jewish Affairs Counsel, I want to stick
25:22
Speaker 3: with this issue.
25:22
Speaker 2: Now.
25:22
Speaker 3: I'm going to go down to Lismore, up to Lismore
25:25
Speaker 3: and New South Wales catch up with Kevin Hogan, who's
25:26
Speaker 3: the National's deputy leader. Thanks for joining us, sir, Kevin.
25:30
Speaker 3: I want to first get your thoughts on that. You know,
25:33
Speaker 3: has the Australian government, through Anthony Albernezian Pennywong been strong
25:38
Speaker 3: enough on this.
25:38
Speaker 2: They say they want this.
25:39
Speaker 3: Resolved through a dialogue and conversations, but that's exactly what
25:45
Speaker 3: has failed here over many decades. The world cannot stand
25:51
Speaker 3: to see Iran develop nuclear weapons.
25:56
Speaker 17: Look absolutely, Chris, and you know, of course we'd like
25:59
Speaker 17: everything to be resolved through dialogue. But you know, as
26:02
Speaker 17: you've pointed out, has been pointed out earlier. You know,
26:04
Speaker 17: the Iranian government has been supporting her maas has been
26:08
Speaker 17: supporting Hezbelah. And you know, the other people that besides
26:11
Speaker 17: the Israelis who are under attack Chris is the people
26:14
Speaker 17: I feel very sorry for as well are the normal
26:17
Speaker 17: Lebanese people who were dominated by Hesbella, the normal Iranians
26:20
Speaker 17: who have had an extreme government, and the Palestinians who
26:23
Speaker 17: do not support mass and some people in those countries,
26:26
Speaker 17: many people in those countries, at great risk to them
26:29
Speaker 17: to their lives, come out in protest against those regimes.
26:33
Speaker 17: And we know the Iranian government has been supporting these
26:36
Speaker 17: terrorist organizations. So I can certainly understand that Israel was
26:40
Speaker 17: very you know, didn't necessarily believe that talking dialogue was
26:43
Speaker 17: going to resolve.
26:43
Speaker 2: Well, would have been.
26:44
Speaker 17: A very dangerous situation had Iran developed that nuclear weapons.
26:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there are indications that there could be a
26:51
Speaker 3: rising up of people in Iran. We've got to take
26:55
Speaker 3: those messages with a grain of salt because it's hard
26:57
Speaker 3: to confirm anything out of Iran.
26:58
Speaker 2: And also, even if there is some sort of.
27:00
Speaker 3: A popular revolt against the Mullers who run it is
27:03
Speaker 3: a theocracy, people need to understand that it is run
27:06
Speaker 3: by Islamist leaders. It is not run as a democracy.
27:10
Speaker 3: If they do rise up against that, it could be
27:13
Speaker 3: very very perilous for them. That people might want to
27:17
Speaker 3: see that happen, but a lot of lives could be
27:19
Speaker 3: lost in the process.
27:23
Speaker 17: Absolutely, we have seen reports over the last couple of
27:26
Speaker 17: years of this discontent starting to rise, and those people
27:30
Speaker 17: and especially women, do that a great danger and you know,
27:34
Speaker 17: to their lives, and we've seen reports on that as well.
27:36
Speaker 17: But hopefully you know, these reports are saying that because
27:39
Speaker 17: of the attacks that have happened, and again, as you said,
27:42
Speaker 17: these radio attacks on Iran have been very pinpointed to
27:45
Speaker 17: taking out nuclear facilities and some of these military leaders,
27:48
Speaker 17: and hopefully that does cause more discontent and gives people
27:52
Speaker 17: more strength to uprise against what has been a very
27:54
Speaker 17: oppressive regime.
27:56
Speaker 3: Just briefly on domestic issues, and this investment in Australia
27:59
Speaker 3: by Amazon on AI data centers in Sydney and Melbourne,
28:02
Speaker 3: great couple of thousand jobs.
28:05
Speaker 2: These things need enormous.
28:06
Speaker 3: Amounts of electricity twenty four to seven and then suggestion
28:10
Speaker 3: we're going to run them on the solar and wind electricity.
28:15
Speaker 2: Should we be.
28:16
Speaker 3: Skeptical about the ability of these things to be powered
28:19
Speaker 3: properly given our reliability issues at the moment.
28:25
Speaker 17: Chris Barnes got a little handled. Chris, you know, just asking,
28:29
Speaker 17: but of course I mean this is and look and
28:32
Speaker 17: look at the interview you played earlier. The Prime Minister,
28:35
Speaker 17: you know again let's cut down free speech, does not
28:37
Speaker 17: even want the word nuclear asked in a press conference
28:40
Speaker 17: about this. I mean, these things absorb enormous amounts of energy.
28:44
Speaker 17: We're seeing now Amazon doing what they're doing. We've seen
28:47
Speaker 17: Microsoft in America actually develop a nuclear POWERstation redeveloped one
28:51
Speaker 17: because they know they need energy reliability. And your promise
28:55
Speaker 17: doesn't even want to talk about it here. So look,
28:57
Speaker 17: I think, like you, Chris, do not have any fun
29:00
Speaker 17: think Chris Bowen and our energy plans. So great to
29:03
Speaker 17: see Amazon's investment, but I think as we're seeing with
29:05
Speaker 17: tom Ago really now looking for an energy bailout from
29:09
Speaker 17: the government because of the failure of our energy system,
29:12
Speaker 17: or what they perceive is going to be the failure
29:13
Speaker 17: of our energy system. We have a lot to worry
29:16
Speaker 17: about in this space. Our current labor Greens alliance.
29:19
Speaker 3: I reckon there'll be a thumping, big diesel generator out
29:22
Speaker 3: in the back of those Amazon data centers, for sure.
29:25
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Kevin, I appreciate it, Kevin Hogan,
29:27
Speaker 3: there's the Deputy Nationals leader joining us from up there
29:30
Speaker 3: in Lismore. We're going to take a break on the
29:31
Speaker 3: other side, all across to London and catch up with
29:33
Speaker 3: Sophie Or'sworth. We'll talk about fears that oil prices are
29:36
Speaker 3: going to rise dramatically on the back.
29:38
Speaker 15: Of this war between Israel and Iran.
29:43
Speaker 3: Now, one way this war in the Middle East could
29:45
Speaker 3: affect everyone around the world is through oil prices, especially
29:49
Speaker 3: if the conflict spreads into the Gulf. Here's the chance
29:54
Speaker 3: of the Exchequer in the UK talking about that.
29:58
Speaker 21: Over the course of this week oil and gas prices.
30:00
Speaker 21: Oil prices have gone up by just over ten percent.
30:03
Speaker 21: They're still down compared to a few months ago, but
30:07
Speaker 21: of course you know we're keeping an eye on that.
30:11
Speaker 3: Changel A rave to reeves there. Let's go to London
30:13
Speaker 3: now and catch up with Sophie's Worth. News Corpse Europe
30:16
Speaker 3: corresponded and Sky and Newsed contributed. Good to catch up
30:18
Speaker 3: with against Sophie the Chancellor. They're keeping an eye on
30:21
Speaker 3: and I bet everybody's keeping.
30:22
Speaker 2: An eye at around the around the world.
30:25
Speaker 3: Any any sign of prices moving at the pumps.
30:29
Speaker 14: Yet well, Chris, they are saying that they're going up slightly,
30:34
Speaker 14: but they're still down on where they.
30:36
Speaker 17: Were earlier in the year.
30:39
Speaker 14: There is also reports that Iran could close the Strait
30:42
Speaker 14: of Hamaz, which is regarded as the largest oil checkpoint.
30:48
Speaker 2: That moves oil across the world.
30:50
Speaker 14: So the ramifications of this conflict could really hit households, Chris,
30:55
Speaker 14: if that checkpoint is closed, and could result in ourser
31:00
Speaker 14: prices going up. But we haven't seen any huge rises yet,
31:04
Speaker 14: but we have been warned here in Britain to expect
31:08
Speaker 14: that this may happen if this conflict continued.
31:12
Speaker 3: Well, I shouldn't be surprised by some of the protests
31:14
Speaker 3: in London, but I saw stuff over the weekend. We're
31:16
Speaker 3: apart from supporting the Palestine, as these protesters often do,
31:20
Speaker 3: they are supporting Iram.
31:23
Speaker 14: They were indeed, Chris, there were large protests here across
31:26
Speaker 14: London on the weekend, but that's not unusual. We often
31:30
Speaker 14: see these protests in London regularly. We see this pro
31:33
Speaker 14: Palestinian protests regularly. But yes, there was a large continuity
31:38
Speaker 14: of people protesting here on the weekend here in London.
31:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have thought most Iranians expats in Australia, UK, America,
31:47
Speaker 3: around the world. I think most of them would be
31:49
Speaker 3: anti antipathetic towards their regime rather than supporting it.
31:53
Speaker 2: But we shall see.
31:54
Speaker 3: I want to get you, Sophie, on what I think
31:57
Speaker 3: is the best story.
31:58
Speaker 2: By far of the last week. It's mired and tragedy.
32:03
Speaker 3: Of course, the shocking depths in the two hundred and
32:07
Speaker 3: seventy people headed for the UK from India, that incredible
32:11
Speaker 3: plane crash, But this bloke, gramesh Vishwakuma, who managed to survive,
32:16
Speaker 3: how one person could walk out of that plane crash
32:19
Speaker 3: is just astonishing, Sophie.
32:23
Speaker 11: It is, indeed, Chris.
32:24
Speaker 14: I mean, what a shocking turn of events this crash was,
32:28
Speaker 14: but remarkable, unbelievable really that there was one sole survivor
32:32
Speaker 14: and he's told his story, how he witnessed people dying
32:35
Speaker 14: in front of him, what he's been through is just incomprehensible, really, Chris.
32:40
Speaker 14: But they are still obviously well into the investigations of
32:44
Speaker 14: what unfolded. They're gathering all the evidence from the crime scene,
32:48
Speaker 14: they're still ident from the crash scene, they're still trying
32:52
Speaker 14: to identify bodies over two hundred people who were on
32:56
Speaker 14: that flight that died. So this is still very much
32:59
Speaker 14: in infancy of what actually took place, Chris, but incredibly
33:03
Speaker 14: concerning and worrying for many people around the world who
33:06
Speaker 14: do fly nervous about this. But there are reports that
33:10
Speaker 14: Air India did service this plane several years ago and
33:14
Speaker 14: was due to again this year, So there's going to
33:17
Speaker 14: be a lot of finger pointing in this of how
33:19
Speaker 14: this happened. And also those may day calls from the
33:23
Speaker 14: distress pilots moments before the plane crashed. So shocking situation, Chris,
33:28
Speaker 14: But we still don't know exactly what has happened.
33:31
Speaker 2: Yes, such a worry.
33:32
Speaker 3: It was such a common and modern aircraft as well.
33:35
Speaker 3: But let's have a look at that good news story
33:38
Speaker 3: from this, the incredible loan survivor.
33:41
Speaker 11: Well met an Azubas some new other.
33:43
Speaker 5: Everything happened in front of my eyes. I don't know
33:46
Speaker 5: how I survived.
33:47
Speaker 11: In Ama Nigla good gid.
33:51
Speaker 5: At them for some time I thought I was also
33:53
Speaker 5: going to die, But when I opened my eyes, I
33:57
Speaker 5: realized I was alive, and I tried to buckle myself
34:00
Speaker 5: from the seat and escape from where I could.
34:04
Speaker 3: Just astonishing as so many lives lost and he of
34:06
Speaker 3: course lost his brother as well. Just terrible, but just incredible.
34:10
Speaker 2: A seat eleven A. We all know that eleven A
34:12
Speaker 2: is the.
34:13
Speaker 3: Seat he was in and somehow managed to survive. Hey,
34:16
Speaker 3: Sophie tell us also about the.
34:18
Speaker 2: King and the Queen. They've been feeling the love of
34:20
Speaker 2: the punters lately, they.
34:23
Speaker 14: Have, indeed, Chris here on the weekend on Saturday, they
34:26
Speaker 14: had the annual Trooping the Color event, which is one
34:29
Speaker 14: of the biggest and most important events on the Royal calendar.
34:33
Speaker 14: Normally the King rides on horseback during this procession, but
34:38
Speaker 14: he didn't this year, also didn't last year because of
34:42
Speaker 14: his cancer diagnosis and he's continuing to receive treatment. But
34:46
Speaker 14: they were warmly welcome by the thousands of people Chris
34:49
Speaker 14: here in London that line the Mau waving at the Royals,
34:53
Speaker 14: and also very happy to see that Princess Catherine was
34:55
Speaker 14: back at the Trooping the Color. She wasn't there last
34:59
Speaker 14: year because she also had her own cancer battle. So
35:03
Speaker 14: it was a magnificent day, perfect weather here in London
35:06
Speaker 14: and Chris, the Royals are expected to be at Royal
35:09
Speaker 14: Ascot this week, King Charles. That's reported that he's expected
35:13
Speaker 14: to go every single day this week for that very
35:17
Speaker 14: prestigious event just scoutside London. So he's a busy man,
35:22
Speaker 14: but we know that he's still fighting that battle with cancer.
35:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck to him with his health.
35:27
Speaker 3: But you know that's not a bad job when your
35:29
Speaker 3: busy schedule means you go.
35:30
Speaker 2: To the races every day. Take that. Thanks for joining us,
35:35
Speaker 2: Sophia appreciated. Sophie os withth.
35:36
Speaker 3: All over it in London as usual for us. Now
35:38
Speaker 3: we're going to take a break on the other side
35:40
Speaker 3: of it. We'll be crossing the Israel. We'll get the
35:42
Speaker 3: latest on the war there from an expert that we've caught.
35:45
Speaker 15: Up to and caught up with in the past.
35:46
Speaker 3: Now go away, let's go to Israel now and catch
35:53
Speaker 3: up with Gerald Steinberg, who's a professor of politics at
35:55
Speaker 3: Bar Allan University, joins us live from Jerusalem.
35:58
Speaker 2: So good to talk to you again, Gerald.
36:01
Speaker 3: You've been through a hell of a time though, of course,
36:03
Speaker 3: in recent days. Tell us what it's been like for
36:06
Speaker 3: you and your family there in Jerusalem.
36:09
Speaker 20: It's been four relatively sleep deprived days and mostly nights
36:13
Speaker 20: ath location we've had missile attacks.
36:15
Speaker 1: You know, it's a very surrealistic scenario.
36:18
Speaker 20: Here we get a warning now fifteen minutes that the
36:21
Speaker 20: Iranians have launched missiles. Usually they come in batches of fifty,
36:24
Speaker 20: sometimes one hundred, and then we're told to get near shelters.
36:28
Speaker 20: There are public shelters all over the city of Jerusalem,
36:31
Speaker 20: all over Israel. There also some people in the more
36:33
Speaker 20: newer buildings have shelters in their own apartments or downstairs,
36:37
Speaker 20: and so you meet your neighbors, you sit there, you
36:39
Speaker 20: listen to the booms of the interceptions. Unfortunately, sometimes some
36:43
Speaker 20: of the missiles hit and you wonder if everybody's okay afterwards.
36:46
Speaker 1: It's a very stressful time.
36:48
Speaker 20: I think the children are having the roughest time of
36:50
Speaker 20: it because you have to explain to them why these
36:52
Speaker 20: people who are thousands of miles away from us in
36:55
Speaker 20: Iran hate us so much they want to kill everybody.
36:57
Speaker 20: Why didn't they say death to Israel and fire. So
37:00
Speaker 20: it's a very complicated time. But Israeli is very confident.
37:03
Speaker 20: They're very I think resilient. It's a continuation of what
37:07
Speaker 20: happened in October seventh, I almost nineteen months ago.
37:10
Speaker 1: With the Commus attacks.
37:12
Speaker 3: Tell us about the strategic situation here, because I've been
37:16
Speaker 3: talking to experts and foreign policy practitioners about this issue
37:21
Speaker 3: now for decades and increasingly so in the past couple
37:25
Speaker 3: of years, and that is the relentless pursuit of nuclear
37:28
Speaker 3: weapons by Iran, the failure of diplomatic measures and deal
37:33
Speaker 3: making to stymy those efforts, and the resort then in
37:37
Speaker 3: the end of Israel was always going to be the case.
37:40
Speaker 2: We've always known this.
37:40
Speaker 3: Israel was not going to let it happen, could not
37:43
Speaker 3: afford to let it happen. Why did Israel have to
37:45
Speaker 3: act now and without at least overt support from the
37:49
Speaker 3: United States?
37:51
Speaker 1: Christ you get it.
37:53
Speaker 20: I listened to part of Australian politicians and the government
37:56
Speaker 20: and members of parliament and others, and they don't get it.
37:59
Speaker 1: Not just Australia, of course, Europeans.
38:01
Speaker 20: I think in many ways Australia Canada are following Europeans.
38:05
Speaker 1: That all they have is slogan.
38:06
Speaker 20: So yes, we've all known if anybody has eyes that
38:09
Speaker 20: are over you see that for the last twenty years,
38:12
Speaker 20: this Islamic regime, the Iranian Islamic Republic in Tehran, has
38:17
Speaker 20: been arming itself to the teeth with missiles.
38:20
Speaker 1: We've gotten now over three.
38:21
Speaker 20: Hundred missiles attacking us, and they're probably hundreds more in
38:24
Speaker 20: the Israeli militaries destroyed hundreds of them, so they've got
38:27
Speaker 20: this huge arsenal. Their population is not starving, but they're
38:31
Speaker 20: certainly very limited in their economic status, and they put
38:34
Speaker 20: all the money into these weapons, and then they've been
38:37
Speaker 20: building up nuclear weapons. So the red line of where
38:40
Speaker 20: Israel had to act so that this regime of fanatics,
38:43
Speaker 20: of religious fanatics that claims that it's major model, it's
38:47
Speaker 20: entire policy foreign the objective is death to Israel and
38:52
Speaker 20: then death to the United States, of course and the West.
38:55
Speaker 20: So they've reached the status where they can almost create
38:59
Speaker 20: a half a dozen nuclear bombs, and you can imagine
39:01
Speaker 20: how terrible it would be. Those missiles that you're showing
39:04
Speaker 20: now on your screen had nuclear weapons in them. So
39:08
Speaker 20: Israel had to act, and mister Taniaho, the Prime minister,
39:11
Speaker 20: knew that, and the country is very much with them.
39:13
Speaker 20: You see a lot of stories over the last couple
39:16
Speaker 20: of years about opposition in Nitaya, who Nitaia, who must go?
39:19
Speaker 1: But he's clear the leader of the country.
39:21
Speaker 20: Right now, and this tremendous respect for him planning and
39:25
Speaker 20: leading along with the military leadership and executing this extremely
39:28
Speaker 20: complicated and so far very successful military operation.
39:32
Speaker 1: It had to be.
39:33
Speaker 20: Now, because we would have waited another month or two
39:36
Speaker 20: or six months, Iran would have had nuclear weapons. You
39:39
Speaker 20: can imagine what would have done, not just in the least,
39:42
Speaker 20: but to the rest of the world.
39:43
Speaker 3: There's no doubt that any rational observer of this understands
39:46
Speaker 3: that Israel is actually doing the world of favor here,
39:49
Speaker 3: aside from just defending itself. The big question, a side question,
39:55
Speaker 3: if you like, but another big question is whether or
39:58
Speaker 3: not Israel has actually done a favor for the Iranian people,
40:02
Speaker 3: whether they could be regime change that could liberate them.
40:05
Speaker 3: Listen to the exiled Crown Prince of Iran.
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Speaker 12: It is Ali Khamenei's war, and he's solely and ultimately
40:14
Speaker 12: responsible for a big brought tist to this stage. What
40:17
Speaker 12: angers bit further is that he's using my competriots as
40:21
Speaker 12: a human shield while he's currently hiding in some underground tunnel.
40:27
Speaker 11: Like a rat.
40:28
Speaker 12: And we have had reports that senior members and officials
40:31
Speaker 12: have already had their families fleeing the country to foreign destinations.
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Speaker 3: Gerald, what do we know about what could happen in
40:40
Speaker 3: terms of the Iranian population and how devastating could that
40:43
Speaker 3: be for them if there's a.
40:45
Speaker 2: Crackdown buy around against design people.
40:48
Speaker 20: There's clearly a lot of upset and unrest in Iran
40:52
Speaker 20: at the government now for leading the people to the
40:55
Speaker 20: stage where Israel is not just bombing all the military
40:59
Speaker 20: sites they can find and killing off the nuclear scientists
41:02
Speaker 20: and the top generals, but they're also the Israeli military.
41:05
Speaker 20: The air force has established complete superiority. So all the
41:09
Speaker 20: money that he ran invested in air defense and other
41:11
Speaker 20: things is completely absent.
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Speaker 1: Most of the.
41:13
Speaker 20: People in Iran now realized that they're completely vulnerable, that
41:18
Speaker 20: their government cannot protect them. It's a corrupt government, it's
41:21
Speaker 20: a fanatic government. Now it's very hard to predict when
41:24
Speaker 20: regime takes place, regime change takes place. We saw what
41:27
Speaker 20: happened in Syria a few months ago where all of
41:29
Speaker 20: a sudden, almost overnight, the.
41:31
Speaker 1: Asad regime was chased out.
41:33
Speaker 20: He had to get on a plane and hurry off
41:35
Speaker 20: to Moscow in order to save his life and take
41:37
Speaker 20: all his gold with him.
41:38
Speaker 1: Now that may be the case also with the Ayatola Jammi.
41:41
Speaker 20: I'm not overly optimistic about this because they're very well entrenched.
41:45
Speaker 20: They're more entrenched than the Acid regime was back in Syria.
41:49
Speaker 20: But in nineteen seventy nine there was a mass popular
41:52
Speaker 20: movement that replaced the Shah of Iran. They did not
41:55
Speaker 20: want to continue, and then this Islamic fanatic group took over.
42:00
Speaker 20: They've been opposed for a long time. The regime has
42:03
Speaker 20: put down this opposition. They treat women really like their slaves,
42:07
Speaker 20: cover them up from head to toe. Very much resented
42:10
Speaker 20: by a large part of the Iranian population. So we
42:13
Speaker 20: may see an uprising if they see an opportunity. Just
42:16
Speaker 20: like when Israel destroyed the protectors of the Asad regime Kisbala,
42:21
Speaker 20: which is an Iranian proxy based in Lebanon, a few
42:23
Speaker 20: months ago, and the people they are rose up against
42:27
Speaker 20: the regime, that may also happen.
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Speaker 1: If they see an opportunity in Iran.
42:31
Speaker 20: If we want to end all of the military tension,
42:34
Speaker 20: all of the wars, all the terrorism from Lebanon, from Syria,
42:39
Speaker 20: from Gaza and other places, from Yemen, then removing the
42:42
Speaker 20: regime is very important.
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Speaker 1: But that's something that the Iranian people have to do.
42:47
Speaker 1: I would say that's.
42:48
Speaker 20: Not an articulated goal, but it is certainly a hope
42:50
Speaker 20: and a possibility that as Israel pursues its.
42:53
Speaker 1: Attempt to disarm the fanatics in Iran.
42:57
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for that analysis, Gerald, I appreciate it.
42:59
Speaker 2: STUF Safe. We'll keep in touch.
43:03
Speaker 3: Gerald Steinberg there, who's the professor of politics at bar
43:06
Speaker 3: Ilan University, joining us live from Jerusalem. We to get
43:09
Speaker 3: to a break on the other side of Caroline Jerusso
43:11
Speaker 3: and Christy McSweeney joined me. We'll talk about the TLMP.
43:15
Speaker 3: Zoey Daniel. She's kind of trumpion in a way. Wait
43:19
Speaker 3: to you hear what she's said. I just want to
43:25
Speaker 3: update you on some bad news around the place today
43:27
Speaker 3: because there's been two shootings in the country. The first
43:30
Speaker 3: in Tasmania, where a police officer was shot dead at
43:34
Speaker 3: a rural property in North Meton in the state's north west.
43:38
Speaker 2: Police say the officer was shot.
43:39
Speaker 3: As he approached to home, shot apparently by a member
43:42
Speaker 3: of the public.
43:43
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, there.
43:44
Speaker 3: Were three people, including an innocent bystander, who were critically
43:48
Speaker 3: injured after a daylight shooting in Sydney's southwest. The incident
43:51
Speaker 3: occurred outside of kebab shop in Auburn, just oppos at
43:55
Speaker 3: the local train station which.
43:57
Speaker 2: Was filled with pedestrians.
43:58
Speaker 3: Really concerning crimes there in Sydney and in Tasmania.
44:04
Speaker 15: I want to go to the panel now with Caroline Russo,
44:06
Speaker 15: host of the Royal Report live from Canberra.
44:09
Speaker 3: We've got Christy McSweeney, thanks both for joining us at
44:12
Speaker 3: Christian McSweeney in Melbourne.
44:14
Speaker 2: Of course, just on that shocking gun crimes.
44:19
Speaker 3: In Sydney and Tasmania today and it leads me to
44:22
Speaker 3: this terrible political assassination in the US over the weekend, Christy,
44:28
Speaker 3: where people would deliberately targeted Democrat politicians. Police today have
44:33
Speaker 3: apprehended the suspect, but this is just another shocking politically
44:38
Speaker 3: motivated assassination in the United States.
44:43
Speaker 22: Absolutely, this politician a member of the House Legislation for
44:48
Speaker 22: twenty years, two decades.
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Speaker 10: Very peaceful, rural.
44:52
Speaker 22: Type area of the United States. It's not a big
44:55
Speaker 22: city common with gun violence. But of course it brings
44:59
Speaker 22: into the political debate again gun control and gun control
45:03
Speaker 22: laws in the United States. And I understand the police
45:06
Speaker 22: at first glance, I weren't able to isolate any affiliations
45:12
Speaker 22: of the shooter with various political organizations, apart from the
45:16
Speaker 22: fact that he did have conservative views but didn't appear
45:19
Speaker 22: to be extremely active at first investigation. And people are
45:24
Speaker 22: saying they don't know what the motivations are, but it
45:28
Speaker 22: is an absolutely shocking crime. She wasn't particularly high profile,
45:33
Speaker 22: she didn't advocate for a number of controversial issues, not
45:37
Speaker 22: that that gives any reasoning or any motivation at all,
45:40
Speaker 22: but it is a really random, shocking attack.
45:45
Speaker 2: Just a shocker, just a shocker.
45:47
Speaker 3: And I'm afraid you can't isolate it from the gun
45:50
Speaker 3: debate in the US. When you've always got NATO's, you've
45:53
Speaker 3: always got angst in debate, But when so many people
45:57
Speaker 3: have guns and easy access to them exacerbates everything. Let's
46:00
Speaker 3: talk about the big picture here with our own Prime
46:04
Speaker 3: Minister Caro. He's off for he's in Canada as we speak.
46:08
Speaker 3: We know on Wednesday morning our time, he's going to
46:11
Speaker 3: get face to face with Donald Trump. How do you
46:15
Speaker 3: expect he's going to go there. He's going to have
46:18
Speaker 3: to get some sort of concessions out of Trump and
46:20
Speaker 3: hopefully not be admonished by him too strongly.
46:23
Speaker 2: Where's he going to go with this?
46:26
Speaker 13: Well, I don't really know, but you know, I actually
46:29
Speaker 13: really hope that there's a good result, a good result
46:32
Speaker 13: for our country, and particularly in relation to tariff relief.
46:35
Speaker 13: We've seen that the UK was able to secure a
46:41
Speaker 13: reduction in steel tariffson and to the extent that we're
46:45
Speaker 13: able to do that for our own exports, I really
46:48
Speaker 13: hope the Prime Minister is able to achieve that. Look,
46:51
Speaker 13: these are incredibly intense times. Obviously, this conversation is going on,
46:58
Speaker 13: and this G seven meeting is going on, Chris, while
47:01
Speaker 13: all of us have got our eyes watching what's going
47:04
Speaker 13: on over in Israel and Iran. So there's plenty of
47:08
Speaker 13: moving pieces and a very highly charged political and geopolitical
47:13
Speaker 13: climate at the moment. So you know, I'm sure that
47:16
Speaker 13: I'm sure that the Prime Minister has been briefed, and
47:18
Speaker 13: I hope for the sake of our country that he's
47:22
Speaker 13: able to pull it off, and I'd be really grateful
47:25
Speaker 13: if he was.
47:26
Speaker 3: His big problem is going to be if the President's
47:28
Speaker 3: properly briefed, which I'm assuming he will be, Christie, because
47:32
Speaker 3: because if Donald Trump's properly briefed, he's going to say
47:34
Speaker 3: on the big issue of the moment on Israel that
47:37
Speaker 3: Australia has been taking an increasingly anti Israel stand, not
47:41
Speaker 3: standing with the US and Israel when.
47:44
Speaker 2: It comes to defense spending.
47:45
Speaker 3: He's basically put his finger in the air to the
47:48
Speaker 3: US saying we'll decide how much we spend, don't tell
47:51
Speaker 3: us what to do. And of course his history on
47:54
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is that he's told groups in the past.
47:56
Speaker 2: That Donald Trump scares the crap out of him.
47:59
Speaker 3: So Donald Trump's going to have a field day if
48:00
Speaker 3: he wants to pull this guy up.
48:04
Speaker 22: Well, don't forget the cleanup operation that's been waged by
48:07
Speaker 22: our ambassador Kevin Rudder for a number of months in
48:12
Speaker 22: terms of his previous comments and activities around Donald Trump.
48:15
Speaker 22: All being said, I think Kevin Rudd is probably a
48:18
Speaker 22: foreign affairs asset in this environment. But the other thing
48:22
Speaker 22: I will say is, given that the current environment around Australia,
48:26
Speaker 22: Australia starts on Israel. The Prime Minister is at the
48:30
Speaker 22: bottom of a long list of world leaders who went
48:34
Speaker 22: to visit Donald Trump prior to this G seven. So
48:39
Speaker 22: it's wonderful that he's been able to secure a meeting.
48:43
Speaker 22: I hope he does very well at presenting Australia's case,
48:47
Speaker 22: but it is a little bit late for him to
48:50
Speaker 22: be going to establish those relationships. He could have gone prior,
48:54
Speaker 22: like Emmanuel mccron or Kiss Starmer and a number of
48:57
Speaker 22: other leaders. And of course the big news from the
48:59
Speaker 22: Prime Minister is the Amazon Web Services twenty billion dollar
49:03
Speaker 22: investment into AI. But you know that is not about
49:08
Speaker 22: defense spending, Grease.
49:10
Speaker 2: It is not. So we squeeze for time. Sorry, that
49:12
Speaker 2: is all the time we got for you.
49:13
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, Carol and Duras and
49:16
Speaker 3: Christie McSweeney. Quick mention of some of your feedback from
49:19
Speaker 3: what we had to say about the ABC's Middle East
49:21
Speaker 3: coverage last week.
49:22
Speaker 15: Roy says, why do we taxpayers have to pay for this?
49:25
Speaker 2: It's sickening.
49:26
Speaker 3: Lorraine says the ABC has skewed reporting on many topics,
49:29
Speaker 3: but the stories about Israel are a joke. I'm extremely disappointed.
49:33
Speaker 3: Another viewer says, my dad told me how sick he
49:36
Speaker 3: was of the BBC, ABC and CNN. He's a simple
49:39
Speaker 3: older man who just wants unbiased, truthful reporting.
49:43
Speaker 15: Ali Lulliam, thanks for joining me. I'll see you tomorrow
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Speaker 15: night at five