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The Late Debate | 27 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate. Well, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: you won't find him here tonight because the lazy sod
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  Speaker 1: has decided, as he's hosting the Bolt Report at the moment,
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  Speaker 1: he's not going to show up. How rude of him. Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: What a disgrace.
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  Speaker 1: So instead, you have Caleb Bond, Danica DiGiorgio, and Michelle Stevenson. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, James is going to have to... We're going
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  Speaker 1: to have to have a word with him about this.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have a private word.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's OK.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here, right? Well, that's it. Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: It's not too much to have me, I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, poor old James, though. I think we're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to wrap him over the knuckles for not being
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  Speaker 1: a team player. Here's what's coming up tonight. One Nation
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  Speaker 1: Senator Malcolm Roberts says the White Australia Party, which is
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  Speaker 1: a banned hate group, Should we be allowed to exist
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  Speaker 1: on free speech grounds? Is it time for Pauline Hanson
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  Speaker 1: to put a ban on One Nation MPs and Senators
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  Speaker 1: freelancing in.
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  Speaker 3: The media for a while?
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  Speaker 1: We'll debate that soon. Geelong Football Club has been fined
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  Speaker 1: $ 140, 000 by the AFL for a secret deal with a
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  Speaker 1: player for him to take responsibility for any head knocks.
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  Speaker 1: Did they really do anything wrong, though? And a man
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  Speaker 1: who bashed a triple amputee has successfully challenged the denial
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  Speaker 1: of his protection visa on the basis that it would
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  Speaker 1: make him more of a risk to the community. Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: That's on the front of Tomorrow's Australian. But first, a
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  Speaker 1: transgender cricketer in India has been cleared now to play
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  Speaker 1: in the Big Bash League here in Australia. That is
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  Speaker 1: a biological man who has been given permission, if he desires...
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  Speaker 1: to come and compete in the women's Big Bash. The
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  Speaker 1: player in question is Ahaya Bangar, who is the biological son,
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  Speaker 1: now identifies as the daughter of Sanjay Bangar, who is
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  Speaker 1: an international cricketer for India, and a few years ago
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  Speaker 1: decided to start going through transition. Now has had the
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  Speaker 1: whole works done, surgery, the whole lot. But under the
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  Speaker 1: ICC's rules, and that is the governing body for worldwide cricket...
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  Speaker 1: you cannot, as a biological man, if you've been through
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  Speaker 1: male puberty, compete in international women's cricket. So that is
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  Speaker 1: the end of any potential international career for Bangar. But
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  Speaker 1: we have different rules for our domestic leagues in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: So Bangar has written to Cricket Australia and received a
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  Speaker 1: letter back, which has been posted to social media. You
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  Speaker 1: can see that letter there. And in part it reads,
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  Speaker 1: based on the medical information provided... and taking into account
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  Speaker 1: when you commence testosterone suppression treatment and your definitive surgery,
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  Speaker 1: that is gender reassignment surgery, we confirm that your eligibility
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  Speaker 1: determination to commence in March 2027 on the basis set
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  Speaker 1: out in Cricket Australia's eligibility determination letter dated 20 July
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  Speaker 1: 2026 will not be impacted by the amendments to Cricket
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  Speaker 1: Australia's policy. So that is the clearance for Ahaya Bangar,
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  Speaker 1: a biological man... to play in the Women's Big Bash
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  Speaker 1: League if a contract can be picked up. This is
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  Speaker 1: Bangar addressing it on social media. MUSIC that is his
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  Speaker 1: transition from male to female. I don't understand how you
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  Speaker 1: can have a situation where you've been through male puberty.
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  Speaker 1: And you can say, OK, they have determinations around testosterone levels.
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  Speaker 1: But even if your testosterone is below a certain level,
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  Speaker 1: as determined by Cricket Australia or some other mob, if
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  Speaker 1: you've been through male puberty, you have developed... larger muscle mass,
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of things that a biological female does not
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  Speaker 1: have the advantage of. So even if your testosterone is
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  Speaker 1: later suppressed to a lower level, I still believe, and
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  Speaker 1: there's plenty of evidence, that you are of a stronger disposition,
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  Speaker 1: you have benefits as a biological male that a biological
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  Speaker 1: woman doesn't have. And so I can't understand why, when
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  Speaker 1: the ICC, the World Cricketing Bodies, says that you can't
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  Speaker 1: compete in world cricket if you've been through male puberty.
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  Speaker 1: Why in Australia? We would say, all good, come over
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  Speaker 1: from India and potentially play in our women's league.
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  Speaker 3: Well, but, like, we've got to be really clear, this
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  Speaker 3: is a pathway. It's not an absolute place in a
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  Speaker 3: women's cricket team. She still has to fulfil her obligations
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  Speaker 3: and apply for a cricket team. A cricket team may
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  Speaker 3: not want to sign her up, but at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the day, they are using their own format to
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  Speaker 3: get her through on this. Now she's going to have
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  Speaker 3: to submit to testing for a year. She has to
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  Speaker 3: hit so many specific testosterone levels and make sure that
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  Speaker 3: that stays under for a year. This is working on
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  Speaker 3: evidence base. I think you can in some instances look
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  Speaker 3: at this at a case by case basis. because this
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  Speaker 3: is genuinely someone who believes they're a woman, has transitioned
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  Speaker 3: and is doing the work. This is not a man
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  Speaker 3: in a dress who looks like a man who is
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  Speaker 3: in a full-contact sport that could literally take advantage of
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  Speaker 3: being up against other women. This is a female for
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  Speaker 3: all intents and purposes. So I think, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: follow the evidence, you see how it goes. This is
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  Speaker 3: them trialling it. I think you can't begrudge them anything.
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  Speaker 3: trialling it and seeing how it goes. But I know
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  Speaker 3: you're probably not going to agree with me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. You can't say they're female.
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  Speaker 4: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's determined by your chromosomes.
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  Speaker 3: I understand that. But, like, she is saying that she's
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  Speaker 3: a female. I'm not going to offend her by calling
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  Speaker 3: her a male.
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  Speaker 1: But she is. Biologically, she's male. I went through male puberty.
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  Speaker 2: Born a biological man.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: That's fine. Now, my concern with this is you open
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  Speaker 5: the door now and so what? The door just keeps
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  Speaker 5: getting wider and wider and suddenly you've got an influx
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  Speaker 5: in the league of biological men who then, you know,
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  Speaker 5: become women. I really despair about this and it's an
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  Speaker 5: overarching theme. The problem is that they are allowed to
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  Speaker 5: because we know that in the Sex Discrimination Act... The
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  Speaker 5: terms male and female have been removed. So we don't
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  Speaker 5: know what a woman is in this country. And therefore,
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  Speaker 5: Cricket Australia, of course, can come out and say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we welcome anybody because legally they have a
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  Speaker 5: leg to stand on with this. I think shame on
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  Speaker 5: Cricket Australia for allowing them through. Good on the ICC
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  Speaker 5: for actually having the guts in the first place to say, no,
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  Speaker 5: if you are a biological man and you identify as
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  Speaker 5: a woman and you have taken puberty medication and for
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  Speaker 5: that transition, then you are not allowed to enter the league. But,
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  Speaker 5: of course, Cricket Australia is going to go down this
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  Speaker 5: woke pathway where we've got to really appease about, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the small percentage of the population as opposed to the
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  Speaker 5: majority of women out there who want a chance to
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  Speaker 5: have a fair game. And I do, I agree with you, Caleb,
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  Speaker 5: in that I, you know, I don't care if this
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  Speaker 5: biological man has a lower testosterone or has these sorts
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  Speaker 5: of levels. We do know that, in general, men are
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  Speaker 5: stronger men. than women, and I just think that it
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  Speaker 5: is so disappointing to see another biological man take a
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  Speaker 5: woman's position in a league when a woman has worked
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  Speaker 5: their backsides off in professional sport to get a position
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  Speaker 5: and beaten by a man.
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  Speaker 1: And the critical point is the puberty thing, right? Because
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  Speaker 1: the bone density and the muscle mass and whatever that
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  Speaker 1: is developed as a boy going through male puberty is
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  Speaker 1: entirely different to that that a woman goes through or
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  Speaker 1: a girl goes through when going through puberty. And I
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  Speaker 1: just don't understand how Cricket Australia or any other league
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  Speaker 1: can justify having a rule that is so wildly different
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  Speaker 1: to the internationals.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think they're just going to do it on
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  Speaker 3: a case-by-case basis and they're going to see how it
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  Speaker 3: plays out. Look, I agree with you. I don't want
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  Speaker 3: men in women's sports. I've spoken about this ad nauseum.
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  Speaker 3: And I do think there is a massive issue with
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  Speaker 3: men in dresses in female spaces.
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  Speaker 6: 100%.
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  Speaker 3: I am across that. But I do think there are
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  Speaker 3: instances where there are biological men who transition into being
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  Speaker 3: females who do deserve their opportunity as well. And I
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  Speaker 3: think we have to strike that balance. I know I'm
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  Speaker 3: probably going to cop a lot of hate for saying that,
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  Speaker 3: but I am 100% on your side. I see all
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  Speaker 3: these sides. But I think it's a really, really... it's
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  Speaker 3: a fine balance that we need to strike on how
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  Speaker 3: we can appease and make, you know, people like this
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  Speaker 3: person feel comfortable or if they want to play sport,
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  Speaker 3: have that opportunity as well. And I know, I know
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  Speaker 3: what you're going to say. Like, I don't like it,
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  Speaker 3: particularly in AFL. I don't think we should have, you know...
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  Speaker 3: people who have transitioned in AFL. We shouldn't have them
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  Speaker 3: competing in the Olympics, but they should also have opportunities elsewhere.
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  Speaker 5: So what would be the threshold then if you said
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  Speaker 5: it should be a case-by-case basis?
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  Speaker 3: What's the threshold? Well, then you look at how it goes.
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  Speaker 3: You monitor the testosterone levels. You see how it goes. Look,
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  Speaker 3: cricket isn't... Like, I don't think cricket... Cricket is more
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  Speaker 3: a game of skill to me than.
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  Speaker 2: A game of... But you've still got to be able
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  Speaker 2: to run fast to catch up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's... To me, it's more about skill and
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  Speaker 3: less about, like, being able to be strong or... I
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  Speaker 3: don't even think you really need to be... I mean,
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  Speaker 3: half of the cricketers in the 80s, look, they weren't really, like,
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  Speaker 3: the most muscular athletic people.
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  Speaker 1: Women's cricket has shorter boundaries and adjusted balls, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: They change these things to deal with the fact that
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  Speaker 1: women have less strength than men do. And so what
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  Speaker 1: you are doing is allowing someone who has gone through
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  Speaker 1: male puberty... to enter into effectively an easier form of
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  Speaker 1: the game. So does that not give that person an advantage?
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  Speaker 3: Well I think this whole point is absolutely moot anyway.
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  Speaker 3: because we don't know if she's ever going to be
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  Speaker 3: picked up by anyone in the Big Bash League. They've
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  Speaker 3: just said you're allowed to.
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  Speaker 1: But why should it be a possibility in the first place?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think they're trying to, like, find a system
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  Speaker 3: that maybe it could work out. But, you know, look,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to watch it, they're going to see it,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to test it. It might not be anything
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  Speaker 3: that comes into fruition. I think it's still early days.
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  Speaker 2: Rachel, we need to test. I just, I worry the
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  Speaker 2: door's open and where does it lead to? And I
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  Speaker 2: get it, I get it.
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  Speaker 5: Suddenly half the team are all biological men taking away
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  Speaker 5: the rights of women.
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  Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. Who have worked their
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  Speaker 2: backs off.
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  Speaker 3: Their backsides off for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: And I agree with you.
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  Speaker 5: And, you know, once you open that door, it's a
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  Speaker 5: very dangerous pathway.
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  Speaker 2: And there's only one leader around the world that.
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  Speaker 5: Said, no, we're going to put a stop to this,
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  Speaker 5: and that is Donald Trump, while the rest of world leaders,
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  Speaker 5: including our own, run away from this very topic, just,
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  Speaker 5: as I said, to appease a very small percentage of
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  Speaker 5: the population. But never mind biological women out there. Never
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  Speaker 5: mind our spaces and our right to a fair game.
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  Speaker 5: It's an absolute disgrace. I want to stay on this topic, though,
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  Speaker 5: and we have heard in the last 12 months about
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  Speaker 5: a number of biological men who now identify as women
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  Speaker 5: being transferred from male prisons into female prisons because, you know,
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  Speaker 5: they suddenly decide that they're women. And it's happening again
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  Speaker 5: now in New South Wales. It's been revealed that a
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  Speaker 5: violent offender who had assaulted a man, resulting in criminal
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  Speaker 5: charges being laid to a female.
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  Speaker 2: The male at birth.
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  Speaker 5: Inmate has undergone gender reassignment surgery. and has now been
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  Speaker 5: approved to be transferred to a New South Wales women's jail.
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  Speaker 5: And here's the thing, it was approved by the Corrective
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  Speaker 5: Services Commissioner, Gary McConn. So as I said, the male
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  Speaker 5: at birth inmate undertook gender realignment surgery and entered the
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  Speaker 5: prison system at Silverwater Prison in New South Wales on
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  Speaker 5: assault occasioning actual bodily harm charges. and now is being
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  Speaker 5: transferred despite the New South Wales government or the Premier
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  Speaker 5: only a couple of months ago admitting that, yes, that
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  Speaker 5: biological men do not belong in women's prisons, but we
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  Speaker 5: are yet to see actually anything done on that. I really,
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  Speaker 5: really worry about this because there are a number of
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  Speaker 5: women in prisons who are victims of domestic violence themselves
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  Speaker 5: and there have been a number of alleged incidents, for example,
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  Speaker 5: in South Australia where allegations of sexual assault against a
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  Speaker 5: female prisoner by a trans prisoner. In Western Australia, a
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  Speaker 5: man accused of domestic violence against his female partner was
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  Speaker 5: placed in a women's prison after they decided to use
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  Speaker 5: the self-ID laws, which are in place across the country,
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  Speaker 5: to then change his gender. And you recall that story
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  Speaker 5: last year of a Victorian man who raped his own child,
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  Speaker 5: then decided to identify as a woman and was put
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  Speaker 5: into an all-female prison. And the former Premier of Victoria,
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  Speaker 5: Jacinta Allen, was doing cartwheels over at the time, didn't
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  Speaker 5: want to know about it, despite the fact that this
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  Speaker 5: person had raped their own child and was being transferred
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  Speaker 5: into a female-only jail and was in close quarters with
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  Speaker 5: biological women.
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  Speaker 3: I just.
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  Speaker 5: I don't understand why our political system is so weak
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  Speaker 5: on this. So you've got the Corrective Services Commissioner in
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  Speaker 5: New South Wales going, yep, tick off, we're going to
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  Speaker 5: transfer this prisoner. Leah Finocchiaro, the Northern Territory Chief Minister,
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  Speaker 5: is the only leader in this country who came out
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  Speaker 5: pretty swiftly last year and said we are putting a
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  Speaker 5: blanket ban on biological men in women's prison. She is
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  Speaker 5: the only one with the guts to do so. The
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  Speaker 5: rest of our political leaders have not and we're still
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  Speaker 5: to this day seeing these sorts of instances.
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  Speaker 1: There's a couple of complicating factors in this case. One is,
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  Speaker 1: of course, that this individual has gone through the gender
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  Speaker 1: reassignment surgery, right? Which means in a male prison would likely,
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  Speaker 1: and quite rightly, fear for their safety because they would
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  Speaker 1: presumably become a target of sexual harassment, potentially rape, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: because you've got a bunch of sex-starved men who would go, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've basically got someone with a vagina in prison, right?
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  Speaker 1: And so the male prison becomes a big problem. But then,
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  Speaker 1: on the other hand, female prison is also a big
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  Speaker 1: problem because women in prison can quite rightly say, well,
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  Speaker 1: why the hell are you putting a biological man who,
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  Speaker 1: of course, as we just talked about, comes with higher
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  Speaker 1: levels of strength and all the rest, into prison with me,
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  Speaker 1: that makes me feel unsafe. And so, really, the only
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  Speaker 1: answer that I can see is that, unfortunately, you end
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  Speaker 1: up in solitary confinement. And I say unfortunately. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this person is a criminal, has committed assault, and so...
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  Speaker 1: My level of sympathy is pretty low on the scale,
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  Speaker 1: it has to be said. But I don't see any
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  Speaker 1: other answer than you have to be put into solitary
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  Speaker 1: confinement because you wouldn't be safe in a male prison.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a fair statement. It's unsafe for female prisoners.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a fair statement. Unfortunately, you've just got
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  Speaker 1: a cop that, because you're transgender... You are different. And
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  Speaker 1: that means for both your safety and the safety of
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  Speaker 1: other prisoners, you've got to be put somewhere else.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I kind of agree with you. I think
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  Speaker 3: it's a really hard one. It's like a catch-22. You've
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  Speaker 3: got 47... transgender inmates at the moment and 46 of
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  Speaker 3: those are housed according to biological sex. So this is
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  Speaker 3: like this person's a real outlier in the system. So
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  Speaker 3: I think they're kind of sitting there going, what do
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  Speaker 3: we do? What is the best option here? And unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: there is no better option. There is not a lot
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  Speaker 3: that they can do. So I think it is a
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  Speaker 3: tough one. Like, do they have their own special system?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. But I guess they're doing the best
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  Speaker 3: they can. But look, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: women are vulnerable in prison and we don't want them
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  Speaker 3: around someone who could potentially be, you know, violent, particularly
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  Speaker 3: towards women.
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  Speaker 5: And, you know, my question would be, why are prisoners
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  Speaker 5: being allowed to undergo gender reassignment surgery in the first
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  Speaker 5: place while they're behind bars?
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  Speaker 2: Are there some sort of special provisions?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not sure whether this particular individual done it
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  Speaker 1: while they were in prison. I think they were in.
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  Speaker 2: Silverwater at the time first, weren't they?
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  Speaker 5: Unless they've done it before Silverwater.
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  Speaker 1: I think it might have been done before. And I
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  Speaker 1: would imagine... Here we go.
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  Speaker 5: Entered the prison system at the men's Silverwater Metropolitan Remand.
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  Speaker 3: But they did have gender reassignment surgery previously.
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  Speaker 2: So it was prior to entering the system.
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  Speaker 1: Has been transferred to women's prison.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But in answer to your question, I would imagine that
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  Speaker 1: if you were already undergoing medical treatment... before you went
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  Speaker 1: to prison, they would continue rendering that medical treatment to you,
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  Speaker 1: would be the situation there. But, no, this is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you've gone into a male prison and they've been sent
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  Speaker 1: off to a female prison because of, obviously, the dangers
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  Speaker 1: that may have been faced in a male prison. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you are, say, a Darren Hinch type, right,
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  Speaker 1: who gets sent off to prison because you broke suppression
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  Speaker 1: orders in regards to paedophiles and they can't guarantee your
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  Speaker 1: safety because there's a bunch of paedophiles in the prison...
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  Speaker 1: They don't go and put all the other paedophiles in solitary.
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  Speaker 1: They'd put Darren Hinch in solitary. And so I think
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  Speaker 1: that is what has to happen in a case like this. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but you've got to go to solitary because it's the
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  Speaker 1: only way we can secure the safety of everyone.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Makes sense. Let's move on to Dubbo now, where things
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: got pretty heated at the Bush summit between Pauline Hanson
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: and Matt Canavan. Why don't we take a quick look?
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: Our enemy now, and I'm telling you who's ruining this country,
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: is the Labor Greens. That's why we, as a conservative side,
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: have to start working together. Stop knocking me, having a
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: go at me. I've taken the Libs and the Nats
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: kicking and screaming to change their policies, whether it's immigration,
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: net zero and the voice.
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: I do think what we've got to do, the primary
• 17:44
  Speaker 8: goal that I've got as Leader of the Nationals, is
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: to remove this terrible government. They've got to go. That
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: will be my priority, and yes, I think I get
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: along with Pauline. We need to keep the focus on
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: winning seats off Labor, because they're the ones that are
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: causing the problems at the moment in our country, and
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: I'm happy to work with anyone to do that.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Now, look, once again, this has turned into a conversation
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: about the fight for a right. And what I see
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: as a media narrative to kind of exploit what is
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: happening between One Nation and the Libs and the Nats.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: I think the Libs and the Nats are doing the
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: right thing. They are focusing right now on winning government.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: That is their primary focus. It's not about what One
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Nation is doing. It's about what they need to do
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: to win those votes. Unfortunately, everyone is wrapped up in
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: conflating the issue and making it a one nation versus
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: a lib national nation idea. But I think what we
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: really need to be focusing on, again, is getting Labor
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: and the Greens out 100%. But we shouldn't be focusing
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: on what everyone else is focusing on. And that's the
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: two right, the people on the right, just going at
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: each other.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't think that, to be honest, that they
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: are focused right now on winning government when you've got
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: people like Andrew Hastie coming out constantly talking about One Nation.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Because One Nation is going after him.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Matt Canavan. But why... The question is... That's why... is that...
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: And every... I have so much respect for Andrew Hastie.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I really, really do. I think he's good. And I...
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: backed him in to be the leader of the party.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: But all I've heard from Andrew Hastie of late is
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: talking about One Nation. Matt Canavan, another person I've got
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: a lot of respect for, but talks about One Nation
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: a lot.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: And I think... I don't think he talks about One Nation.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I think he's asked about One Nation a lot. I
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: think that is the problem. I think the problem is
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: that the media consistently asks people on the right about
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: the other people on the right instead.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Of saying, what are you doing on the left?
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: But couldn't you just say, yeah, you know what, One
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: Nation is there, but right now we are focusing on
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: ourselves and we are focusing on tackling Labor and the Greens.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: But the Nationals are also fighting One Nation, particularly in
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: their seats, right?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: They.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: They're trying to protect their own stake in the game.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: They're an existential threat to the Nationals. But, I mean,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you've got people like Angus Taylor who have voluntarily... I mean,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the comments he made at the Sydney Institute, what, I
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: don't know, a month, two months ago... gave a speech,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: which he did talk in that speech about how we've
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: got to take on Labor, et cetera, but he couldn't
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: help himself and made comments about, you know, how One
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Nation was basically an empty column of smoke, I think,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: was along those.
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: Lines, right?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And it's like, you know when you say that stuff
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: that it's going to be picked up. So why do
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: people in the Liberal and National parties keep talking about
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: One Nation? The only way you win back support for
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: your party, I think, is with policy, and you've actually
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: got to have some policy to begin with, and then
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: you've got to calmly explain that policy. It's no good saying, oh, well,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: you know, One Nation's not a party of government. You've
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: got to demonstrate why you're a party of government.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: So the best way to avoid it is to shut
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: up about One Nation.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: And the other thing is, is that right now, we
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: saw in the news24.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Com.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Au YouGov Pulse poll that only just came out yesterday,
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: the day before, that One Nation's primary vote is up two.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: points and the Coalition's is down one point. And this
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: is a trend that we're seeing now across multiple polls
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: and has been the case for the last eight to
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: nine months. it's very clear that the Liberal Party has
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: bled votes to One Nation and if they want to
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: try and claw back that conservative vote, I don't believe
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: that the best way to do that is to bag
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: out One Nation because there is a reason why voters
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: are leaving the Liberal Party for One Nation and in
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: search of a person or a party that they believe
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: represents their conservative views. in which the Liberal Party right
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: now does not. The enemy out there is Labor. The
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: enemy is the Greens, because right now, under Labor, we
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: are going broke and backwards, not just for the economy,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: obviously for housing, for a number of reasons. And I
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: just think that that needs to be the focus. But
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: this constant tearing down of Pauline Hanson It's exhausting. And
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: that debate there at the Bush Summit today, that got really,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: really feisty.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: And I'm all for debate, but there was a lot
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: of anger in that.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think, look, I don't think we
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: should be necessarily as Liberals antagonistic to One Nation, 100%.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: You're not going to win back those voters by basically
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: saying bad things about the people that they believe that
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: they should be voting for, 100%. But I do think
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: the fight is on. And at the end of the day,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: the Liberal Nationals have to differentiate themselves from one nation,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: and the way they do that is on the battlefield.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: And so, at the moment, there is a battlefield to
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: work out who is going to take that conservative vote.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: But we also should be taking the votes from Labor.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: We shouldn't be relying on taking the votes from each other.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: We should be taking them from the Labor people. The
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Labor people should be sick and tired of this government.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Have they not woken up yet? I don't understand.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I think some of them are, but they tend to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: be going to One Nation.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: One extreme to another.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: One extreme to another.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: Now, look, speaking of One Nation, the party's having a
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: little bit of a doozy of a week, I've got
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: to say, with its members. Of course, what happened with
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: David Farley when he went onto the ABC and he
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: bungled up the net overseas migration targets that the party
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: had pledged for. And now enter Malcolm Roberts. According to
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: the Sydney Morning Herald, Malcolm Roberts has done an interview
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: with a far-right influencer by the name of Andre Marmette.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: The paper said that Marmette is closely associated with figures.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Who attend Nazi training camps.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: He also enjoys sponsorship from a bookstore selling Adolf Hitler
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: texts and was a paid-up member of One Nation.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Now, on this podcast, Roberts.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Was asked a series of questions, but he defended the
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: rights of the nation's main neo-Nazi.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Group, White Australia.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: This is how the exchange took hold.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Should the White Australia Party have the right to exist?
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: I'm opposed to racism and making decisions based on race
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: or calling one race superior to another.
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: But, of course, it should have a right to exist.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: Because if there's free speech and freedom of association, you
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: have to have these things.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Now, the Liberal Party has, of course, seized on these
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: comments and they're calling on Pauline Hanson to immediately denounce
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: this chap, Andre Marmette, and his associates.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Now, look.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: We spoke a little bit about this.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: Last night, about this sort of freelancing that's occurring right now,
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: it seems to be, with politicians there. And I guess
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: it is different for One Nation in that they're not
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: the Liberal Party whereby everybody sort of has to follow a.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Certain narrative.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Everybody has a bit more freedom in a party that
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: does express freedom. I do worry, though, about Malcolm Roberts
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: doing an interview with a chap that is reportedly, according
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: to this newspaper, you know, has attended, is associate with
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: figures who attended Nazi training camps.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I think that that is highly concerning.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: But then again, I didn't have a problem as well
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: with Pauline Hanson doing her interview with Tommy Robinson over
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: in the UK. I just think the issue is maybe
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: right now when the party is under scrutiny with what
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: it's saying in the media, maybe it's time to pull
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: back a bit. I don't think that you should ban
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: free speech. I think that, you know, don't ban them
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: fully from doing media interviews because But maybe just take
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: a little bit of a time out over the next
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: couple of weeks.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Let's time out. Let's regroup as.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: A party, figure out what the policy is, and let's
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: go out and sell it to the right people.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: And I think if people show you who they are,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: believe them. Like, it's not about whether you want to
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: say what you want to say. Of course, I believe
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: in free speech as well. But maybe just shh. while
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: you're trying to ascertain and try to build your momentum
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: on how you're moving forward as a party. Because right now,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: these are really critical moments for One Nation. So they
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: should be coming across as a party that is united,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: that is together, that is on the same page, but
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: not with outliers and people who aren't across the detail
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: and who contradict each other. I mean, even Pauline Hanson
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: is contradicting herself at times over her migration policy. I
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: think it's not about media training. It's just about being
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: across detail. It's about understanding how to speak to media
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: and maybe understanding when you don't speak to media.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: The only problem is, though, that if you sort of
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: start saying, oh, we'll pull back a bit, the question
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: will then become, well, why aren't One Nation people talking
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to the media? You know, they've got something to hide,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: not good enough, et cetera, et cetera. If you can't
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: trust your people to go out and talk, you've probably
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: got a problem with your people, is what I would say. And, yes,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I think they ought to be tighter on their message,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and we saw that with Farley, obviously, over the weekend.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: But you should be able to trust that members of
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a political party can go out and fairly represent the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: views of that party. It comes back in part to
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: what I have said earlier this week, and I think
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I might have said last week as well, which is
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that one nation has to decide as a party whether
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: it operates in the same way the Liberals do, which
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: is that as a backbencher, you are allowed to freelance,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: say what you want, you've got a conscience vote, you
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: don't have to adhere to the policies of the party,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: or do you operate like Labor, where it's one in,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: all in? You know, you can have your own views
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: about things, but when we vote, we vote as a bloc,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: we operate as a bloc, we back in the policies
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: of the party. And One Nation, I think, has to
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: sort that out very soon. Otherwise, we will keep seeing
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: more of this stuff. And the more this happens, I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: think the more people will go, oh, you know, I'm
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: not so sure. But on the other hand, there's a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: lot of people, I suspect, who couldn't give a toss.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, they go, you can scream at me until
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the cows come home. about how bad One Nation is.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: But you know what? You can't tell me they're any
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: worse than the mob that's running the show at the moment. Absolutely.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: And at least with One Nation, I will say this
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: on the flip side, you're making a very valid point,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: which I've been saying from the get-go. They are in
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: their infantile stages. They haven't developed what they're going to
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: be doing or how they're going to be running as
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: a political party. So I think they really need to
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: develop that and they really need to set that in place. But, look,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day, people want
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: transparency in politics, and whether you agree with them or
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: not or whether they say the most ridiculous things, you're
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: getting transparency in politics. It's very Donald Trump. It's very
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump-coded. So I think that's what people want.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Indeed.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Of course, a few weeks ago, there was a big
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: story in the AFL about the fact that the Geelong
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Football Club had signed a secret deal a couple of
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: years prior with Jake Kolodjazny. Now, he had suffered a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: few head knocks during his career and he really wanted
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to keep playing. And so he signed a document with
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the club that more or less said, if you continue
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: to play, any future head knocks and the injuries and
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: maladies that come as a result of them, you will
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: take responsibility for them. You know, they've acknowledged the fact
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: that he's on the precipice of potential danger. And if
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: you want to keep playing, we as a club cannot
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: take full responsibility for what happens from here on in
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: because you know that you are in potential danger if
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you keep playing. He signed that, the club signed that,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: it came out in the Herald Sun. It became a
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: big problem, a big discussion point within Aussie rules and
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: sport more generally, because we know that in contact sports,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: concussion is now a major issue. And a lot of
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: people said at the time that there is no way
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: this should happen, that it was wrong, that there is
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: no situation where a player should be able to basically
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: sign away his rights and say that I take full
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: responsibility for any head knocks. Well, the AFL has investigated.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: They have come back and said the club didn't actually
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: do anything wrong in signing this document with Jake Coller-Jasny,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: but they did get something wrong in not lodging it
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: with the AFL. And for that, they have been fined $ 140, 000.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Here is the AFL's boss, Andrew Dillon.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: There was nothing ultimately wrong with entering into the contract.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: It was the lodging of it. Now, once it had
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: been lodged, then that would have initiated a line of
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: inquiry between the AFL and the Players Association, which may
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: have led to changes to that. The reviewers found that
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: they were acting in the best interest of the player.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: They did almost everything right. They conducted consultation with the AFL,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: with insurers, with lawyers, and most importantly, with the player
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: himself and his family and his representative.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Look, the AFL seems to be having a bet each way,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I think, on this one. They're essentially saying, look, you know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the fact that they went about doing up a document
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: was fine, but if they come and told us about
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the document, maybe the contents of the document would have
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: been different. I'm not really sure what they mean by that.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Are they saying that he wouldn't have had a document
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: to sign? I'm not sure. So they fine Geelong Football
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Club 140 grand for not telling them that they were
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: doing this deal. I'm not sure that Geelong did anything
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: wrong at all because I've written about this, I've explained
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: on here before, that concussion is the biggest threat to
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the continuation of our beloved contact sports in this country,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: rugby league and Aussie rules. And, you know, it's feasible,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: completely feasible, I think, you get to a point where
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: we know and we do know now how bad concussion
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: is and the potential results of concussions. We know that
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: concussion is basically baked into these games. I mean, in
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Aussie rules, concussion is the second most common injury. So
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: there's no getting around the fact this is just part
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and parcel of playing football. And if we have guys
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: who suffer brain damage, permanent impairment because of this stuff,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: they're going to want compensation. Fair enough. So at what
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: point do you say, well, clubs in the league take
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a certain level of responsibility because they know that, but
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: players also know now. They run onto the field, they
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: know that concussion is a possibility and they also know
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the potential dangers of concussion. So is there really anything
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: wrong with a football club saying, look, you know, beyond
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: a certain number of head knocks, you have to take
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: responsibility for what happens to you.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: But I think with the AFL situation, as the overarching body,
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: they should have been informed of this because the AFL
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: does take concussion very seriously.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: It has strict concussion laws. And the fact that Geelong
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: kept it a secret is entirely the issue. It was
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: like under the table... don't tell anybody else, sign this contract.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: Now, I also think that $ 140, 000 for withholding information, I
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: think that's actually pretty cheap in my view and I
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: think that the club can easily pay that off. But
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: they're still, as I said, part of an organisation that
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: does take concussion very seriously and it did not notify
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: the AFL Players Association and it did not.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Lodge the document.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Therefore, it breached AFL rules and as a club, you've
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: got to play by the rules. I think the fine
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: was entirely appropriate and entirely fair for for the situation.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: You've got to set a standard.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Because otherwise everyone's going to be engaging in these little
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: private contracts that are all going to be kept secret.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: But I think that this is a very different scenario
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: to what we were served like a couple of weeks ago.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I think now they're coming out and saying, you know,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: we were aware of it, they just didn't put the
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: documents in, which I think is a completely different scenario
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: to what we... previously was known to us. Moving on,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about the Greens and Independents, because
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: who doesn't like talking about the Greens and Independents? Well,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: they're agitating to push for an import ban on what
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: they're calling the pervert smart glasses. So you know those
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: smart glasses, Meta has them, where you can go in
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: and you can secretly record. So they want to put
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: a ban on that because they think that it's very insidious. Now,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: the difference between the meta ones, the meta ones you
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: can actually see when someone's recording. But what we've been seeing,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: particularly in Australia, is a kind of underground movement where
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: you can get the cheap knock-offs, where you can't be
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: sure whether someone's filming or not. So there's a lot
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: of questions here about data and what happens to it.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: But I just love that the Greens and the Independents
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: are banding together to do an import ban, considering we
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: know how well that worked with vaping. We can still
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: buy that.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: I didn't know I was being recorded. So it was
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: purely just, I need to get out of the situation.
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: For me, it's the knowledge as well, like informed consent.
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: But when you don't know you're being recorded, you can't
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: control your image in any way. And then it's posted
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: and shared. If he was filming with a phone, I
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: could have easily been like, oh, can you not?
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Look, definitely there are some issues here, but how do
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: you regulate this? I don't know. So, look, we have
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: a hiking influencer who is kind of on the side
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: of meta. Surprise, surprise.
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: In the mountains, on a Sunday, these Oakley Man AI glasses.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: It's a crazy combination. Hey, meta, start recording in 3K.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Hey, meta, how far have I run?
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: You're running 5.1 kilometres in 26 minutes and 48 seconds.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm not opposed to them, but I do understand
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: why there are concerns, particularly where you can wear them
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: in bathrooms, on the beach, you don't know what people
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: are filming, and also there's strong concerns around, you know, children.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand how you'll regulate it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Because part of the problem is that you can film
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: in a public place. It's completely legal to film in
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a public place. And so if you start making judgements about, OK, well,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you know, glasses with cameras in them are bad, phones
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: with cameras in them are not. I'm just not sure
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: how you actually feasibly do it.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Well, in the end, all I have to do is
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: take out my phone in a public place and I
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: can start filming, whether it's on my eyes or on
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: my phone here.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think it makes any difference. And you know what?
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: I think that level of creativity, going out for a run,
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: filming it with your glasses, I think that's actually pretty cool.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I've heard... So gone.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: But you can't see, you sometimes can't tell if someone
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: is wearing the glasses and they're filming you. I think
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: that's the point. You can tell when someone's got a phone.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: And Paul Murray, I know, said a few weeks ago
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: he's used them on some of the out towns when
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: they're out, you know, filming local things and whatnot. And
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: people absolutely hate them. He said people see you wearing
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: them and he has to explain what he's doing because
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: they clock them and they hate them. After the break,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: we'll have a look at tomorrow's on the front of
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the Gold Coast Bulletin. Very interesting story about a woman
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: who was acting as a surrogate and she's ended up
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: having two completely biologically unrelated children. More on that in
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: a moment. Let's get stuck into tomorrow's news tonight. Understandably,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the flood in Nepal is on the front of quite
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: a number of papers tomorrow. We'll start with the advertiser.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: They've splashed on it there. Valley of Death, it was
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: like an inland tidal wave, sweeping away lives and livelihoods
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: in scenes that were scarcely believable, even as more and
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: more footage emerged of the devastating tragedy that has unfolded
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: in Nepal. At least 35 Australians, including two children, are
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: missing after an avalanche triggered devastating flooding near the border
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: of Tibet. More than 180 people have been confirmed dead.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and the Australian government is preparing for days of worsening news.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: And there's actually more updated numbers, actually. 395... So, 359,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I should say, people are now confirmed dead in Nepal,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: three in Tibet. There are 910 people missing in Nepal,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: and 517 of them are tourists, 35 Australians missing in Nepal.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, and your heart goes out to families who...
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with tourists who are over there.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: They will be hanging on to hear from DFAT and
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: obviously others all around the world as well in exactly
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the same position. But, I mean, the footage, which you
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: can see there, it's just unbelievable, Danika.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: It's apocalyptic. It is so scary.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: You know, there's some vision, and I think we played
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: it earlier on in the night, And you can see
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: people running for their lives and then all of a sudden.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: A wall of water collapses on top of them.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: You wouldn't survive that.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: You know, my heart goes out to all this. Sorry,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: this is actually the vision I'm referring to right here.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: This is it.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Then you can see that you'll see in a minute.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: It's going to come over the back of that building there.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: It's just frightening and, you know, we hope and pray
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: for the very best. It's a case of telecommunication lines.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Jeez, look at that. I can't believe it.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: They're just down at the moment and we hope everyone
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: is in a safe place.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, particularly, I mean, there's a fair few Sydneysiders, I
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: think 14 out of the 15 who were caught up
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: in a tourist company. 14 of the 15 were from Sydney.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: We've got one from Melbourne, I believe. There's a gentleman
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: from North Queensland. So they're really scattered from all across Australia.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: And we look at the end of the day, they
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: are saying, though, they are still pulling people out alive.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: So we really hope and pray that people find it
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: home safely. Yeah, absolutely.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Our thoughts and prayers are with Nepal right now. It's
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: going to be a very, very long clean-up process, that's
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: for sure. Let's take a look at tomorrow's Australian newspaper.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Of course, they're also covering Nepal. Valley of Death is
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: their headline.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: But have a look at this exclusive down the bottom.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Triple amputee basher wins visa stress appeal. A South Sudanese
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: man who viciously bashed a triple amputee with the victim's
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: crutch has become the latest person to use visa stress
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: to quash the denial of their protection visa. The man,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: who can be identified as GNHW, successfully argued in the
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: federal court... that being placed on a more restrictive bridging
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: visa would likely make him more of a risk to
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: the Australian community than if he was handed a protection
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: visa similar to the humanitarian visa he lost after his
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: brutal assault on a vulnerable disabled man. So stress, visa stress, everybody.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: A new term's been invented, visa stress. So don't worry,
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: if you're a little bit stressed out, no problems.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: A bit of anxiety? Stay as long as you want.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: Please do whatever you want, but stay as long as
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: you want if you've got stress and anxiety.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: When I first read this, I was like, oh, yeah,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I get it. Credit card stress, visa stress.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, wait.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: He's talking about an actual visa. This is just another
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: way that he's just trying to scan the system. Obviously, right?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, extraordinary.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: So the argument is, you know, I might fly off
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: the handle if I don't get the visa I want.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: therefore you'd better give me the visa I want so
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: people will be safe.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, what sort of warped country are we living
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: in when this is the kind of stuff that flies
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: in the federal court? I don't know what to say.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: It's just what is going through the minds of some
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: of the judiciary who could look at that and go, yep,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. It's wild. I mean, are we not
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: governing and running courts in this country... four people in
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: this country. OK, you're a foreigner, you come over here,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: you bash up a triple amputee with his own crutch
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: and then we give you a better visa because you
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: would otherwise go and bash up more people. I just...
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I cannot believe that this is real.
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: We're becoming the UK, because the UK has had all
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: sorts of examples of how people stay in the country.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: All he needs to do is say he doesn't like
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the taste of chicken nuggets.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Chicken nuggets in New York? Yeah, roll them up, boys.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: And also on the front page, Labor told to get
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: tough on visa mums and dads. John Howard's immigration minister,
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: Philip Ruddock, says Labor must overhaul family reunion visas to
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: rein in immigration and address a breakdown of international students.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Gaming the system as the government faces calls to tackle
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: the explosion in appeals from visa holders.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what? I think that's pretty smart.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: If anyone is going to be able to give you
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: a fair dinkum view on the visa system, you should
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: listen to.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Liberal Party members of the past who actually have had
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: good immigration policies. And I'm curious to know, more importantly,
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: what the immigration policy Labor is going to be presenting
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: to us is going to be.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Let's be clear, they're not going to be doing this
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: because this is right in their wheelhouse of people who
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: vote for them, particularly in Western Sydney. So they will
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: be trying to skirt around this as best they can.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I think a lot of the immigration rot actually
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: did begin under the Howard government. There were quite high numbers...
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that began under the Howard government and has followed through
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: ever since, unfortunately.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Now, let's turn to the Herald Sun with my favourite story,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: the SRL tax backflip. So, state government insiders say Deputy
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Premier Gabrielle Williams deliberately avoided announcing a secret new levy
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: on fares when she was public transport minister, with the funding.....
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: threatening to rip open political wounds within the ALP. Now,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Premier Ben Carroll, on Thursday, pledged to dump the 1%
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: rail improvement charge 24 hours after it was revealed by
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: the state's financial watchdog as a key mechanism to help
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: pay for the $ 34. 5 billion suburban rail loop. Now, I
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: love this story because Ben Carr was actually the Minister
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: for Public Transport when this was kind of first approved.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: And then, you know... Under the Allen government, it was
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: brought in secretly, didn't tell anyone, and here we are.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: It's out, and now Ben Carr seems to kind of
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: have been around when it was, like, thought of, then
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: he was Deputy Premier when it was instituted, but he
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: claims he knew nothing about it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, come on.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: If you believe that one, come and stand on my
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: balcony and I'll sue you for sitting up. Like.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: How could Mr.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Carroll possibly think that we're... Oh, yes, you were the
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: minister in charge and then you were the deputy premier
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and you had no idea that you were secretly charging
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: people this debt?
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: How embarrassing that he can stand there with a straight
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: face and say that as well.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Totally. And he believes his own rot.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: But that's because it's Victorian Labor and they have been
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: able to get away with lie after lie after lie,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: but it's wearing thin now, guys.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Look, you know, I can't wait for him to turn
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: water into wine as well. Yeah, well, you've got to roll.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: The sort of level he seems to be operating on.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: The Gold Coast Bulletin tomorrow. How's this for a yarn?
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: DNA test splits twins in Australian first delivery. Surrogate bub hers.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: A Queensland mother who gave birth to twins while acting
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: as a surrogate has found out one of the babies
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: is biologically hers. In an Australian first, the unnamed woman
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: gave birth to two babies last year but only found
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: out the baby boy was... was biologically hers during a
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: procedure to determine DNA.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: So she was simultaneously pregnant with her own child.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: And a surrogate child.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 45:00
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: So then are they related? That's what I want to know.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Even though they're not related by DNA, but are they
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: related by birth?
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: I want to know how that happens and how rare,
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: because that must be an extremely rare case.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Extremely rare.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: It's like buy a lottery ticket.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, buy a lottery ticket. I completely agree. And just finally,
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: we'll take a look at the Daily Telegraph. The power
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: of one as Prime Minister Anthony Albanese was jeered over
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: the renewables rollout. A straight-talking farmer became the voice of
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: the National Bush Summit yesterday.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Emma Webb from the.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: Yaz Valley said the rollout that would see wind turbines
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: shadowing her land was damaging, rushed, unchecked corporate greed.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: And Emma's been on Sky News quite a lot, on
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: News 24, sorry.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, God, whoops.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: Quite a bit, actually, with Peter Credlin, and she is
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: a formidable voice for the regions.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, I did just speak to...
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: I saw her speak today at the Bush Summit, and
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: she was incredibly articulate, and she's a real voice.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what? People in the bush also care
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: about energy, which means they care about gas. And we're
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: going to talk about gas after the break, because teachers
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: over in the United States have come up with an
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: interesting way to mitigate gas in the classroom.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: See what you did there.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Now, Michelle, you have a story about your favourite topic, cockroaches.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's totally my favourite topic. Imagine if one day
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: cockroaches could be literally the difference between life and death. Well,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: we've got cyborg roaches. They could be one day coming
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: and saving your life. Biorobotics engineers have been working on
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: the design of these six-legged cyborg insects with cameras and
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: miniature medical injectors... to search and rescue missions. Now, the
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: roaches are designed to deliver emergency aid to people trapped
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: in collapsed buildings, caves or other places too dangerous for
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: rescuers to reach. Now, in my mind, they always say
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: that nothing's going to kill a cockroach, so you may
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: as well use it to your advantage, I say.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I think that's really smart.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't like roaches, but that's intelligent.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if I were in some precarious position and
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I saw that thing coming towards me, I think my
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: initial reaction would be to... Whack the hell out of it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say run away and
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: get scared.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Well, how can you run away?
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Scream and jump on a table.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Scream like a girl.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I'm under rubble or something. I'm not going to run away,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: am I?
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you're not hitting it either.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: But if I saw some bug coming towards me, I'd
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: kill it. All right.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably would too if I had more time,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: if I'm being quite frank.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: Now, we've been talking all week about robots, these humanoid robots,
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: but have a look at this Kung Fu robot that
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: was actually taught the art of it within two hours.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Engineers at the Universities of California and Stanford have created
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: what they say is the most interesting human or lifelike
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: humanoid to date.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Have a look at that.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: Two hours and it can just kung fu you away.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: I'm loving all the robotics stuff that's been going on.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, we are just getting better and better at it,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: We are.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Well, you see those, you know, robot Olympics that have
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: been going on in China. Yes.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: How fun.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Except, you know, when they fail, they seem to fail
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: quite spectacularly.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: They really malfunction. Sparks flying.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Did you see the one of the robot trying to
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: lift a weight and it had, like, the... The lightest
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: weight imaginable and it fell over.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: The boxing one that we played the other night.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, the boxing was quite good, particularly when they
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: get decapitated. Anyway, I did tell you there'd be a
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: story about gas in this segment and so there is
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: over in the United States. Teachers apparently are coming up
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: with ingenious ways to deal with gas in the classroom and, no,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I don't mean the kind that you used to cook with.
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: This is our.
• 48:33
  Speaker 9: This is our fart corner. If you need to fart,
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: simply come over here, fart, take about 10 seconds, get
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: your little spray going on, go sit down. Nobody's paying attention.
• 48:45
  Speaker 9: Nobody cares. Nobody's worried about it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: What the hell are they on about?
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: A fart corner?
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Are you serious?
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Like, just get up and walk out of the classroom
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: for five seconds and come back. what the hell is
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: this crap?
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: What are they doing in that classroom? Wouldn't you be embarrassed?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Everyone knows what you're doing.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: And how are you going to say, like, whoever smelt
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: it dealt it?
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't even, like.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: Say the good words.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: If this is what it's come to, you know, if
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: teachers don't have enough to worry about.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: that now they're coming up with fart corners.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: You've got to be polite. Be polite at all times.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's time to go back to basic math
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: in England. Yeah, I think so.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Could you imagine?
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Just fart on your own time, perhaps. Thanks for joining
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: us tonight. Up next, the Rita Panahy show. Good night.