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Love in the Unfinished Conversation · Infinite Threads with Bob Barnett

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  SPEAKER_00: hey!
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to Infinite Threads.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Bob.
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  SPEAKER_00: This week we've been talking about love in the real world.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not the polished idea of love floating above ordinary life, but the real thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love when we're tired, love with people who irritate us, and love that has limits.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today I want to talk about something most of us carry in one form or another.
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  SPEAKER_00: The unfinished conversation.
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  SPEAKER_00: That phrase has weight to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are things we never said,
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  SPEAKER_00: apologies we keep meaning to make, questions we still turn over years later.
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  SPEAKER_00: People we love or loved when the thread is still there,
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  SPEAKER_00: but the words got tangled somewhere along the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not every unfinished conversation is dramatic.
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  SPEAKER_00: A friendship fades and nobody quite names why.
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  SPEAKER_00: Family member hurts us and we learn to keep certain rooms in the heart locked.
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  SPEAKER_00: Someone needed more from us than we knew how to give at the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or maybe we were the ones who needed something and never found the courage to say it plainly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Life leaves those places in us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not always as open wounds, sometimes they become little rooms that we avoid.
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  SPEAKER_00: We walk past the door and tell ourselves that we're fine.
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  SPEAKER_00: And maybe, maybe we are, mostly.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then a song comes on,
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  SPEAKER_00: or someone mentions a name or a memory lands without warning, and there it is again.
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  SPEAKER_00: The conversation that never quite happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: The truth that stayed behind the teeth.
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  SPEAKER_00: The repair that still feels possible Or maybe only wished for.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think love cares about those places.
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  SPEAKER_00: I really do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not because every unfinished conversation can be finished the way that we want.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some people are gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some people are unsafe.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some situations have changed too much to go back and say the words in the room
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  SPEAKER_00: where they first belonged.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that, that is painful.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it is real.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love doesn't ask us to pretend that every door can reopen.
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  SPEAKER_00: But love may still ask what can be healed within us.
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  SPEAKER_00: What truth still needs a gentle place to land?
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  SPEAKER_00: What apology can still be made?
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  SPEAKER_00: What story have we been telling ourselves that might need more honesty or more mercy?
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes the unfinished conversation is with another person.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's with our own past.
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  SPEAKER_00: We look back and think, I should have known better.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe, maybe we should have.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or maybe we know better now because We learned the hard way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that difference matters, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: Growth can make the past look obvious.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can make us wonder why we didn't speak sooner,
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  SPEAKER_00: act better, listen longer, or love more wisely.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the person we were back then didn't have all the understanding that we have today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Didn't have those experiences that we've had today to learn from.
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  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't erase responsibility, but it simply brings compassion into the room now.
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  SPEAKER_00: And without compassion, even truth can become a weapon that we turn on ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love wants truth, but it doesn't need cruelty to tell it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe one part of the unfinished conversation is learning to speak honestly with
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  SPEAKER_00: who we used to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wish I had handled that differently.
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  SPEAKER_00: I understand why I didn't.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can do better now.
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  SPEAKER_00: That may not fix the past, guys, but it can change how the past lives within us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when repair with another person is possible, love may ask for courage.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not a grand speech and not a perfect explanation, but just a beginning.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've thought about this for a really long time.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry for how I handled that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I miss what we had and I don't know if anything can be rebuilt, but I want to be honest.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those, those are tender sentences.
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  SPEAKER_00: They carry risk.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_00: The other person may not respond the way that we hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may not be ready.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may remember things differently.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may have their own unfinished conversation with us,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we may have to listen to a version of the story that doesn't make us look
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  SPEAKER_00: as good as we had hoped.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: Repair usually is hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: It asks us to care more about healing than about controlling how we are seen.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that right there is where love has to become very real.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some conversations are unfinished for a reason.
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  SPEAKER_00: We avoided them because they frightened us.
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  SPEAKER_00: We delayed them because they might change something that we kept,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we don't like change, we know that.
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  SPEAKER_00: We kept them vague because clarity would require a decision.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love may be patient, but it's not always comfortable.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it puts a hand on the place that we keep avoiding and quietly says,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's something here.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's not to shame us and not to rush us, but just to invite honesty.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think many relationships suffer not because people stop caring,
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  SPEAKER_00: but because the honest conversation arrives too late.
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  SPEAKER_00: By the time the truth is spoken, it has had years to gather resentment around it.
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  SPEAKER_00: What might have been a difficult afternoon becomes a permanent distance.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's not always avoidable.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are human.
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  SPEAKER_00: We miss moments.
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  SPEAKER_00: We protect ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: We choose quiet because at the time, quiet looks safer.
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  SPEAKER_00: But maybe, maybe love can help us notice sooner.
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  SPEAKER_00: In fact, I know it can if you allow it.
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  SPEAKER_00: The little tightening in the chest, the sentence that we keep rehearsing but never saying.
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  SPEAKER_00: The way we say it's fine when even we don't believe us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those may be signs that something needs to be tended.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not exploded, but tended.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a difference.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some people use honesty like a hammer and then wonder why everything is broken.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love doesn't do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love tries to tell the truth in a way that leaves room for dignity.
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  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't guarantee the outcome.
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  SPEAKER_00: It simply refuses to make silence do work that silence was never meant to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I want to be careful, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are times when the unfinished conversation should probably remain unfinished
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  SPEAKER_00: on the outside because reopening it would create more harm.
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  SPEAKER_00: A boundary may be the wisest and most loving thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not every person deserves access to us simply because there are words left unsaid.
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  SPEAKER_00: But even then, the heart may need some kind of completion.
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  SPEAKER_00: A letter never mailed, a prayer, a conversation with a counselor, or a trusted friend.
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  SPEAKER_00: A quiet moment where we finally admit what hurt,
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  SPEAKER_00: what mattered, and what we regret, and what we are ready to release.
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  SPEAKER_00: Closure is not always something that another person hands us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's something that love grows inside of us slowly.
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  SPEAKER_00: After we stop demanding that,
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  SPEAKER_00: the past becomes different before we can breathe.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's difficult work, but it can definitely be freeing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because unfinished conversations can take up space.
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  SPEAKER_00: They can live in the background like a radio left on in another room.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not loud enough to demand attention every day, but always there shaping the atmosphere.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love may not finish every conversation, but it can bring peace to some of the noise.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can help us say, I've done what I can do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or, I'm not ready yet, but I'm willing to be honest.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or even, this will not be repaired the way I hoped, but I do not have to let it harden me.
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  SPEAKER_00: You make that decision.
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  SPEAKER_00: That last one may be the deepest,
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  SPEAKER_00: because when a conversation remains unfinished,
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  SPEAKER_00: the temptation is to let the silence define the whole relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: But maybe the story is allowed to be more complicated than that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the love was real, even if the ending was painful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the good mattered, even if the wound also mattered.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are allowed to hold complicated stories, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are allowed to miss someone and still need distance.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're allowed to forgive and still not go back and we're allowed to regret something
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  SPEAKER_00: without letting regret become our permanent name.
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  SPEAKER_00: That, that is what love makes room for.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not simple answers, but honest ones.
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  SPEAKER_00: So today, Maybe the invitation is to listen for the unfinished conversation in your own life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know you know it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not with panic and not with pressure, but just with care.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is there a truth that needs to be spoken?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is there an apology that would free something inside of you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether or not the other person responds as you hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is there a boundary that needs to be named because love cannot keep surviving in the fog?
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe nothing has to be done today.
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  SPEAKER_00: I doubt it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But sometimes noticing is the first act of love.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if a step is possible, maybe we can take it gently.
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  SPEAKER_00: A message, a note, a prayer, a conversation begun with humility instead of accusation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love in the unfinished conversation does not always mean that everything becomes whole again.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't.
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  SPEAKER_00: But love can still enter.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can soften what has gone rigid, and it can bring truth where fear has kept things hidden.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can help us repair what can be repaired,
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  SPEAKER_00: release what cannot, and carry forward What still matters.
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  SPEAKER_00: The unfinished places do not have to stay frozen.
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  SPEAKER_00: The thread can move there too.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing what that thread can do.
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  SPEAKER_00: What all those threads can do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Quietly, carefully, honestly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And maybe when it does, we discover that love was not asking us for perfect words.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was asking us to stop letting silence have the final say.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love you guys very, very, very much.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know what I need you to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Go out there and pass that on, okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: Share this too, if you find it within yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much, guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: Love you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Later, Gators.
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  SPEAKER_01: Every story, every voice In this love we all rejoice Infinite Threads, here we go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome, friends.
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  SPEAKER_01: Enjoy the show.