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K Dot v Drizzy · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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  What up, y'all? Welcome to another episode of That Time and hip Hop,
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  a podcast all about hip hop, of course, but the music,
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  nostalgia, but more importantly the preservation of hip hop music and culture. I
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  Bro? Look man, So it's raining today, so I couldn't get on
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  tonight. It is a bit. But everything is good man. How about
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  yourself? Man, I'm good man. You know I'm a little boogie today.
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  I got the lemon cillo with the sprite right right, trying to keep
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  it, keep it a little light. I lost thirty five pounds, so
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  you know that, do can? I got a chill because I was I
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  was wilding before I was doing everything. Yeah, but if you don't know,
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  we got like seventy something episodes of this podcast telling you about different periods
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  something that everybody's been talking about and sometimes this show is not always about everything
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  that happened in the past. Sometimes hip hop history happens right in front of
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  our faces, and we got to do something about that. We got to
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  talk about it. So we're going to get into that, but first we
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  like to do a thing where we look at what happened in hip hop history
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  this month May. Back in May of eighteen ninety five, Master Ace Incorporated
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  released their second album, Sitting on Chrome Now tune. When you first heard
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  this particular album, you know, especially after they already had one album,
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  What were your thoughts on the album. Were you a fan of Master Iron
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  C Incorporated and all that, or oh well, yeah, man, First
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  things first, just been a Master Ace fan dating back to high school,
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  Juice Crew, Siffing and all that. He was always dope. And I
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  also had to take a look around with his debut album, Man was I
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  loved Man? Like those are my favorite albums. Man, back in like
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  high school or whatever, I always checked for Master Ace and Master A's never
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  really missed. You know, he was in c it was dope. So
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  for this particular one, I just kind of noticed he he went different with
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  the sound, you know what I'm saying. So this this album kind of
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  had more of a like a West Coast kind of like gfunk. You know,
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  it was like a West Coast album almost you know what I'm saying,
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  And I never forget uh. The video the I n C Rod, the
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  one with like Osler brother was simple. You know what I'm saying. It
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  is the rod, y'all's you know what I'm saying, like and they ride
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  down through the city or water. Man. The vibe was dope Man,
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  master A. He's one of those rappers Man that he actually never sounded whack
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  on a mic, no matter what, no matter what kind of production,
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  what kind of vibe, he always sounds good. Man. I mean I
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  liked the album anyway, Man. I thought it was solid Man. But
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  that joint was my go to song and my go to video back in the
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  day when he used to come on you Running and those one of the videos
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  I really really enjoyed, Man. But solid project, Man, And even
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  up to now he fifty seven years old. I saw a couple of days
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  ago he's still every project he drops this dope and this is just another dope
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  one from him. Man, Like one of the most underrated discographers in the
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  rap man. But I really I enjoyed this project. Man, what about
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  you? I totally agree. I mean I feel the same way like the
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  first project. I was kind of cool on right, you know, you
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  like that's the age you see he got a little creol or whatever. Yep,
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  but it kind of was like in line of what was happening on the
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  music or the hip hop scene, especially East Coast back then. But I
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  remember seeing the cover sitting on Chrome and I'm like, oh, you know,
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  second album, And like you said, when I heard the I ain
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  c Ride joint, I went, hold up, you probably have it back
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  there. I don't have my stuff. I'm in the kitchen here it is,
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  what's that? Yeah? I bought the single back then as soon as
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  I heard the song. Radio remixes here, the fat Cat mix, yeah,
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  no ends mix. Yeah, I remember it being several mixes, man,
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  several versions, several versions of the song, because I think the album
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  version is different than the video vers. Yeah it is, it is.
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  Yeah, this is this a different beat. It's a different That was the
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  thing. Man. I was just I like that song so much obviously,
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  you know, I like the Isley Brothers sample of course. Man, the
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  hook was catchy, and you're right, like master Ace is probably one of
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  the most underappreciated hip hop legends in the game, especially for someone who's still
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  active. Him and Marco Polo have done. Yeah, it's like back to
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  back albums. One was called Brooklyn Brooklyn, the other one this one's called
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  Richmond. I think both a dope. I just I don't know. There's
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  just too many skits for me. But the music, though, is crazy.
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  So if you haven't heard master Ace Incorporated, specifically sitting on Chrome,
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  that that out got a nice West Coast phield, you know what I'm saying,
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  And they do the justice with wrapping over the beats. But also check
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  out his disography. He got a lot of music, y'all a lot.
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  So there you have it. Now we're gonna get into the main thing here.
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  The main reason why we came. We saw the artwork. Probably read
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  the description. Maybe you're fatigued, but I'm gonna give you a good reason
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  why you should listen to what we're saying versus others, or you can listen
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  to them inns. But the main reason is because we're not here to only
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  say who won, or only to say what we felt about the specifics of
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  the battle, but to give you entire context on what happened, what happened
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  before all that good stuff. You know what I'm saying, all the details.
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  So if you have no idea you just heard yo, I'll be working.
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  I just seen all this commotion. What's going on. Relax, We're
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  gonna go through all of it for you. We're gonna talk about it.
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  So tone tell the people we here to talk. You know, first,
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  let me say this. In the history of hip hop, we've been here
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  before. You have to see this in every era. We were talked about
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  this on earlier podcasts we've been did episodes on that time when Kumo D rock
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  Busy B in the Halem world. You know what I'm saying, when when
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  he said put that bar bullshit on hold, when Busy B didn't even know
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  it. Kumo D was just hosting the show and Busy B think he's smashing
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  everybody else and he said he the great hit, the best him see in
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  the room, and Mod is like, yeah, no, you're not.
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  You know what I'm saying. After that, Run said, run start calling
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  people sucking him c's you know what I'm saying. One of the first things
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  of this and other rappers nothing new people were talking about early ages right there.
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  At some point Mod who was a battle rapper, Treacher's three Legend battles,
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  al L cool J part of the gamey. At some point this guy
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  that lived in a homeless shelter you know him now as carras One attacks a
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  guy named mc shan over some that had nothing to do with nothing. He
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  was giving props to his own neighborhood with the bridge. And then Chris made
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  South Bronx and Shams may kill that noise, and Chris said, the prince
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  is over. He just and Chris said, if if Shan would have ignored
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  me, I'd be nowhere. It wouldn't be no BDP, no human education,
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  his lines, no temple of hip hop, no self destruction all that
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  he said. Because he was EMC he had to answer. You see what
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  I'm saying. And we're gonna talk about other situations and other battles at some
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  point just for context in here. So yes, today we're talking about finally
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  Kenjck Glamar has wanted this for years and kench Glamar and Drake have battled now
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  said the hip hop world on fire. We see every type of talking point
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  over the last few days from mister greatest to the words till it's med.
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  I hate that word mid. I already typed on to it the other day.
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  I can't wait and they retire that shit, retire, do a funeral
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  for the word med. But every type of word to describe this. I've
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  seen what people said. It went too low, bad allegations, this,
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  that, and the third that we're gonna talk about some other battles where hey
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  man, all's fair in love and more and all the wards to destroy your
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  opponent, you know what I'm saying. But we're gonna get into some of
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  that as well. But Kenjricklamar, we're gonna do timebinus at some point of
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  this episode about how it started generating to the point we got now. But
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  let me say it, this is vague and Drake's defense, and look,
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  people have called me a Drake hater in the last few days to the point
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  where I what I did because I keep receipts. I posted all the tweaks
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  and even videos of me defending Drake over all the and I called him hip
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  hop. It's not a secret if you put toning the dome in your Twitter
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  handle and put in Drake uc I always showed Drake love. You know what
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  I'm saying, because I appreciate the dude's chattle, you know what I'm saying.
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  But he has stepped up to every challenge, whether you like him or
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  not. He answered the bell with coming just like Ben and Ciccu said on
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  that interview years ago. He said, y'all say what you want to,
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  but Drake said with the finish line, we can't wait to get run into
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  you. You know what I'm saying. So, Drake, Drake battle,
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  push your teeth and like I've said on other podcasts before, if that story
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  added on didn't come out or whatever, that dump it free style, go
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  back and listen to it. Now, Drake Drake with the ship too now
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  he'll he'll battle you back. He got Mills niceer back to back. You
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  know what I'm saying. He's battle people, man, you know what I'm
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  saying. So Big Day Caine, sit on beef. Like I've said before,
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  two MC's can't be in the same room saying they the best. It's
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  gonna clash. This on a few times, though vague that the two guys
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  at the top of the game at that of a particular moment battle a lot
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  of other battles. One might have been at the top, one might have
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  been number three, number four in the rankers for that era. Right now,
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  Drake is the biggest commercial star and Kendrick Lamar well Kenja mar on the
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  tarts right not killing everybody, but Kendrick is like that other big star of
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  the tours and stuff. They the two biggest MC's, you know what I'm
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  saying, like pound for pound and they battle. That's like the Naz and
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  jay Z Batley're the two biggest at the time. So this doesn't happen that
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  often and it's not appreciated, man, But look, man, this is
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  your initial thoughts. Man, when when you when you heard the first I
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  guess when metro boom in future with the like that or whatever, was that
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  your first thing inclination, like, Okay, we might end up getting something,
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  we might get a battle or something, or what would you thinking when
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  Kendrick said what he said, Oh, I thought it's on now. I
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  mean, I've been waiting just as long as Kendrick has been waiting, honestly,
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  and it's it's you know, obviously for those watching it's not because we're
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  not Drake fans. No, it's because like you don't really wait, Like
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  we're not waiting for Mike Tyson to fight Jake Paul. We're not. That's
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  not a matchup that we want to see. A matchup we wanted to see
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  which already had a little static, already had a little animosity in there,
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  a little sensitivity in there. So when I heard like that, I was
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  like, I'm glad Kendrick is now just saying no more indirects talking to y'all,
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  you and Jacob since he wants to chime in, but I'm really talking
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  to you. And I was excited, man, I was. I was
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  excited to see where it would go from there because I knew Drake wasn't gonna
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  back down. I knew he was gonna put it. So did you think
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  that you know what Kendrick been waiting for this moment because when we think about
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  the control versus, he named a lot of people, and he named Drake.
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  But then when he turned around with the BT Sipher, I know who
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  was gonna kind of getting into that part too. You know, he had
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  that energy, he rhyming over that del marb beat shook with shook ones beat
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  ones beat, and that was the Kenchrick Lamar at that time when I saw
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  that, and just like I said, uh on Twitter recently, Kis Lamar
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  has the battle rap spirit. He had the spirit of corrupting them. He's
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  influenced by Corrupting and Jay and Niles and Eminem and all these guys, but
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  he has that spirit of battle in him, you know what I'm saying.
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  So he listened to his earlier mixtape Joints when he was just pretty much ka
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  Dot the kids from Compton. Really he was had that aggressive I mean end
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  up being with Conscious on section eighty and and the storytelling on Good kid Man
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  and See It and all that. But young young k Dot was a battle
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  type of energy person. So when he did the the control that turned around
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  with the bets siphered, he said something about the about the sensitive rapping the
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  pajamas type thing, you know what I'm saying, Like, and everybody knew
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  he was talking about Drakes. That's two shots right there, back to back.
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  What was your thoughts when you heard the BT cipher tough the sensitive rapper
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  back in his pajama clothes. I was yo, I was I was hyped,
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  and you know there was a lot of like, uh, people saying,
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  you know, oh, well, it's it's about Big Sean because they
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  were doing a little back and forth, but it's about nah man, like
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  Big Sean got his smoke, don't worry. But this was about Drake because
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  from from what I heard at the time, and it's kind of resurfaced now,
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  is the fact that when he made the Control verse, you know,
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  everybody kind of got where he was coming from a competition. Cool go some
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  bars, but Drake was the only one who took who got sensitive about it
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  and didn't like it, and you know him, he probably did some things
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  behind the scenes. He kind of threw a tantrum. So yeah, at
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  of the day, you know, it's it's sort of like, yo,
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  man, this is this is hip hop. You know, you you and
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  then you know what the Drake might have felt that way because of two collaborations
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  at one point, you know, Kendrick was Don't Take Care and Drake was
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  on Poetic Justice on Good kid Man City, and they had tour, had
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  been on the same tour at some point together before, so it had what
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  somewhat of a relationship. But this is what I say about Kendrickimore when I
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  said this. Also recently Kendrick don't care. At the end of the day,
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  he'll he'll, he'll, he'll, they'll do for confident, you know
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  what I'm saying. And that's the reason why he said stuff about Ja Cole.
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  You know what I'm saying, and Drake it didn't mind and he's not
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  backing down, and he was gonna go do this apology thing like what Ja
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  Cole did with me being from North Carolina. I didn't like that at all,
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  because, hey, Ja Cole, you've been saying you basically the best
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  rapper for the last couple of years and all your features and me being in
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  North Carolina, do and have a lot of love for Ja Coble. I
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  still do. I rock with Jacob the fallow Off come out were the first
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  one's posting about it. I don't care about it. You know, at
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  the end of the day, dope music is dope music. But I was
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  pissed off about that. But never the less, Kendrick Lamar I said he
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  doesn't care. Kend ofm I've been wanting to smoke with everybody. When I
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  say everybody, had certain people that he feel like his generation, his level,
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  his peers, because when he did the Control Verse you had all these
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  random New York rappers. This is Kendrick and everybody like Kendreck don't want to
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  smoke with all them, Kndchen, don't care about them. He was focused
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  on on Drake basically from day one, and then j Cole and then his
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  other peers. He's not focused on twenty five other uh them underground rappers from
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  New York, right, So that was Pat Pools, Joel Oti is none
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  of these cats. He was not focused on them. And the shout out
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  to a lot of them dues. They nice, but he is this levels
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  to this, you know what I'm saying. And there there was no perk
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  in baling all of them, you know what I'm saying. His his his
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  goal was was Drake, and I think Drake looked at their relationship probably more
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  than what he looked a definitely more than what Kay not thought. That's why
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  he didn't mind saying it ain't no Big three, it's Big Me. Years
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  later they've been he been poking the bath for years, right, Yeah,
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  that's what's so, that's what's so weird about it because even though I'm not
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  surprised, because if you're a Drake fan like most of us, are.
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  You know he can be sensitive. I mean it's all in his music.
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  You know, he's always thrown subliminalies and not always at Kendrick, right,
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  just based off of situations, whether it's with a chick, you know what
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  I'm saying, whether it's with another dude, another rapper, he does.
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  He's transparent in that regard. So him being sensitive about that was a little
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  bit too far. But at the end of the day, pretending as if
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  somebody's throwing rocks at the throne when you kind of took it there, you
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  know that's true. But you know what jay Z said, most kids get
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  their head cut off. So once you get to a certain level of success,
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  and Jay said, there's there's this weird thing with success, right,
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  you know what I'm saying. So if you get to the top of the
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  mountain, any and anything, you're gonna have well, yeah, you're gonna
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  have some haters. We're gonna have competition as well. So if you name
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  any top them c from any eraror somebody had a problem with at what point,
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  Uh, just like I post that video or run DMC and Cool one
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  D and all them cats. Was was was rhyming mode, was taking it
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  serious because Mode wanted to wanted to get run out of there. You know
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  what I'm saying, because Run was that nigga at one point, you know
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  what I'm saying, So you know, same same thing with Carris One wanted
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  to get that mail and mail. You know what I'm saying, Like you
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  can't be the best and expect nobody to come at you, you know what
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  I'm saying. J had a lot of competition because Cats was like, I'm
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  gonna go out of hell, you know what I'm saying. So Drake got
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  to a certain level he will fight back. He's been targeting about a lot
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  of people, but the only opposition that makes sense it's Kendrick Lamar. Because
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  Drake and j Cole are friends, collaborate on multiple songs, on projects,
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  they toured together, everything, so there's nothing with them and yeah, you
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  think about you know the song that kind of set some of this off,
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  even though it was indirect, mostly on the Drake side, first person shooter
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  like yeah, yeah, first of all, you know, I'm not trying
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  to add any fuel to the I don't have a dog in the fight.
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  I like both of them, but it was odd to see Drake on stage
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  before we heard first person shooter. You know, not just giving j Cole
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  props because that's cool, It just felt like he wanted something. And if
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  you go back and look at that hug on stage, you know there's a
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  point where Ja Co's kind of done with the hug, you know, you
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  see the arm gold kind of limp, but Drake's still hugging, you know,
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  So he kind of obliged him and it just felt weird. But you
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  know, as we'll get into, we found out that you know, it
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  was supposed to be three and not two, all right, but yeah,
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  we'll get into that. Yeah, man, I mean again, I appreciate
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  the response at some point, but let's get into the past two weeks.
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  You know what I'm saying, like, how did this start off? In
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  your opinion? Man? What was that first song? And we'll get into
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  that. It's Fars with the Battle. So the first song, ironically,
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  is something that we talked about on this podcast. We'll not on this podcast,
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  but on Hip Hop Now podcast, which was J Cole responding with seven
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  minute drill to eat Ndrick And you know, we all kind of felt like
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  we expected a little bit better and then he surprised us and apologized and said
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  he was out. He also said he would take it on the chin.
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  So it wasn't like he was expecting to not get flamed for being u for
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  bowing out of the battle. Uh what just for the people watching this man?
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  What what did you think when in that well? What did you think
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  about the song? And then just the fact that he not only bound out
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  the battle, but he took it off of streaming circle. I was I
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  wasn't mad the song. I felt like he was. It was more like
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  baiting, like maybe, okay, maybe it's gonna set up a little battle
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  right here, So I wouldn't it should have mad the song, like I
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  said a few minutes ago, was more mad at Look, you put your
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  hand out there, man, You can't you know, don't don't don't pull
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  it back. You know what I'm saying. You liked like if you have
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  been to a gun class and got the kind of license concealed you you you
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  you talk, you know, you don't pull your gun out that you're gonna
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  shoot. Right, people understand you don't ever pull your gun out of somebody
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  and just point your gun at him. If you're gonna pull your gun out,
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  you need to be to discharge. You know what I'm saying, People
• 23:02
  wonder why a man when a police shot, they kept shooting with a police
• 23:04
  were when they're talk to shoot, they're not talked to talk to shoot one
• 23:07
  time they don't load that the clip. Bro, he was if you talk
• 23:11
  to any police about their training, that's what it is. So when Drake
• 23:15
  pulled his gun, I mean, excuse me, when Jacob pulled his gun
• 23:18
  out, you take two or three shots and then you want to put it
• 23:22
  back in the hostel. Now he got empty the clip. You know what
• 23:23
  I'm saying, say you gonna stay and say it just kinda ain't even a
• 23:26
  spirit what I really think. And again, I know we spoke about this
• 23:30
  on hip hop. Now it's like he liked Jake, he liked Kendrick,
• 23:37
  he liked Kendrick music. He knew what he said, he didn't really mean
• 23:40
  it. And it was the time one of the first times that MC was
• 23:41
  that honest, like, man, you know what I said that ship relationshipn't
• 23:45
  have said it. And I know people were mad at that. He at
• 23:48
  the end of the day, the people like that he he killed hip hop
• 23:51
  or something. He didn't. You know what I'm saying he was honest by
• 23:52
  saying, at the end of the day, I like dude, dude can
• 23:56
  rap, Dude. I do like his albums. I always thought this kind
• 23:59
  of cool and shit like that. Man, it ain't anybody I ain't got
• 24:02
  the energy because, like I said, I think that J Cole would have
• 24:07
  had to fabricate an entire song, you know what I'm saying, to really
• 24:12
  have a disc record and not feel what he's really writing. And I think
• 24:18
  he an honest cat in real life. You know what I'm saying. I
• 24:21
  think that he didn't want to do that and it's got to fabricate something and
• 24:23
  do WWE when he really don't feel that way. Now, on the contrary,
• 24:29
  can't you feel a way about everybody? I feel like because because in
• 24:33
  all his shots, whether it's the bet stiightful or the control and all that,
• 24:37
  he's shown that energy for ten years. Man. I mean, this
• 24:41
  ain't nothing to do right kid, He's ain't nothing new for him for uh,
• 24:47
  but for J Cole, man, man, salute to him. Man,
• 24:49
  he was honest with himself. Man. At the end of the day,
• 24:52
  long as he make Doe music, man, he's gonna be okay.
• 24:55
  I think you know, it's a little blimingsh on him in terms of he
• 24:57
  can't really be breaking the book Drake and Kendrick after they after they did some
• 25:03
  epic like this, But you'll always have his spot as part of this big
• 25:08
  three in this era, you know what I'm saying. But that definitely hurt
• 25:12
  him, man, But you know it is what it is. Yeah,
• 25:15
  I agree. And for those watching or who hadn't heard that song, one
• 25:22
  of the things that was that showed how much he wasn't committed to making a
• 25:29
  spunk about Kendrick or this record about Kendrick was him trying to flip the jay
• 25:34
  Z takeover thing about NAS's albums mostly being wack except for one. He said
• 25:41
  the same thing about Kendrick, saying, you know, the first one's class,
• 25:45
  last one is tragic or something like that. Yeah, most people kind
• 25:48
  of looked at it like, really, you know, I don't remember that
• 25:52
  happened and when it was out. But again, you're right because at the
• 25:57
  end of the day, even though we didn't like it, if you feel
• 26:02
  like you literally cannot write a disc record and be fully committed to going at
• 26:07
  it with him and using all your skill and artistry. It's going to be
• 26:11
  subpar. It's not even a battle at that point. So it wasn't good
• 26:15
  that he bowed out because, like I tweeted on April eighth, we wont
• 26:22
  aubree anyway. Yeah. Yeah, So the next song very is what now?
• 26:26
  So j cole bows out? What's next up? So next up?
• 26:33
  After j cole bows out? Twenty one days after like that was Drake with
• 26:41
  Pushups, a record that dropped and actually was pretty good to me when I'm
• 26:51
  not bad at all. It was not bad. It was a nice response
• 26:55
  to that verse man. And I think in a lot of ways for the
• 27:00
  who don't know, it wasn't just about Kendrick, because there was a lot
• 27:03
  of other people like Metro Boom in the Future and Rick Ross asap Rocky who
• 27:08
  he took shots at. But I wasn't mad at him though, No,
• 27:12
  not at all. What's else? Man? You know you could tell it
• 27:15
  was the start of something. He could tell it was okayme up, put
• 27:19
  my hand in, he a little bit, throw a little jab, and
• 27:22
  you know, I know the fighter is gonna come, So I'm gonna throw
• 27:23
  this jab now, no response is gonna come. Matter of fact, he
• 27:26
  was basically like he was waiting on it. He was waiting on you.
• 27:29
  You know what I'm saying. So Drake was he threw that get himself prepared.
• 27:33
  You know what I'm saying. It's like, Yo, I trained for
• 27:36
  this. You know what I'm saying. I was in the gym training for
• 27:38
  this. You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna throw this joint, put
• 27:41
  my hands up and get ready for your swing back. And you know what
• 27:44
  I'm saying. I mean I'm in tip top shape. I'm feeling good.
• 27:47
  And Drake feeling good about himself. You know what I'm saying. So he's
• 27:48
  basically like, okay, yo, turn right right. It's probably you know
• 27:53
  as well go through the battle. It's probably one of the most one of
• 27:59
  the records where he was most confident to me, like yes, you know,
• 28:03
  and his stature and his stance and in the bars and you know,
• 28:06
  it was it was a dope record. It was a dope start and just
• 28:10
  like you said, it wasn't just a song, right y'all. Who don't
• 28:15
  know? He was also on Instagram heavy. He was where you at,
• 28:21
  Yeah, it's Compton College sweatshirt or sweater on, you know, where you
• 28:26
  act, we ain't hear from you, and you know what, that's the
• 28:27
  dope part about that thing too. And again for some people, I hope
• 28:32
  a lot of people see this episode because again I had to post all this
• 28:36
  stuff for me saying about Drake, because just because I shared my thoughts on
• 28:41
  the battle as it was going on, and several videos of my thoughts on
• 28:45
  it, it was all of sudden not being fraid of Drake. No,
• 28:48
  I appreciate Drake, and I said that more than once, even with his
• 28:51
  anthics on I g no doubt he was basically saying, come outside. So
• 28:56
  I'm not mad at that because this is a new age of communication obviously with
• 29:00
  social media well as opposed to like nineties battles. It wasn't no social media,
• 29:04
  you know what I'm saying. So he did what he's supposed to do.
• 29:07
  He made himself known. He came outside, and he asked Kendrick to
• 29:11
  come on outside. What's taking so long? Right now? Let me ask
• 29:14
  you this, since because this is a hip hop history podcast, y'all,
• 29:18
  we're gonna talk about everything. In between that time when he was trying to
• 29:23
  get Kendrick to respond, fans debated, what's the response time. What did
• 29:30
  you think about some people saying, Yo, Kendrick got forty eight hours,
• 29:34
  he got twenty more hours. Listen, man, what they did over all
• 29:38
  has been historic, But doing that little period of little time when everybody saying,
• 29:42
  hey, he needed to drop right now. You know what I'm saying
• 29:45
  now, because we're from the old school, so I'm not I'm not a
• 29:49
  microwave person like I like my meet to be in the oven, baby,
• 29:53
  you know what I'm saying. So I'm sitting there saying, so one thing
• 29:56
  I did post I said some of y'all understand that back in the the nineties,
• 30:00
  someone with this hell when NWA this Ice q Ice Ice cute that he
• 30:07
  waited til he dropped the death certificate, you know what I'm saying. And
• 30:10
  you didn't even know the song's owner until the end of the album and the
• 30:12
  ship came on, you know what I'm saying. So that shit, like
• 30:15
  you almost there was months and months after the NBA it started poking at Ice
• 30:21
  Cube and uh, even when you think about, say, for example,
• 30:26
  even the NAS and jay Z jay Z said that ship that summer jam.
• 30:30
  Then he drove the takeof in September, either didn't come out to December.
• 30:33
  The fuck it was jay Z's birthday, you know what I'm saying. So
• 30:37
  that's what happened. It took him several months, and they had been throwing
• 30:40
  a little shots before that. After the takeover, Nas didn't say anything.
• 30:44
  Jungle has said on interviews, Nads wasn't he gonna say shit. He was
• 30:48
  kind of blew it off, you know. Naza laid back, You're like,
• 30:49
  I don't care about this ship, and Junker was like, nah,
• 30:52
  bro, you know what I'm saying. We we we we can't let jay
• 30:56
  Z do that, you know what I'm saying. So a lot of the
• 31:00
  battles back there wasn't the next day. Even when a lot of the big
• 31:03
  battles in the early two thousands that will incorporate something to this episode, something
• 31:08
  up, it might take a week or two or three weeks before that next
• 31:11
  response came out. So, but the Microwavee society now is like Drake says
• 31:15
  that, all right, man, Kendrick got to this weekend, A Kindred
• 31:18
  got forty eight hours. Dude, do y'all want somebody to put out a
• 31:22
  piece of shit or you want them to sit down and craft something which he
• 31:26
  did craft and we're gonna get into that crafted in a minute, and craft
• 31:30
  out some real songs and some songs it's gonna stick over generations of hip hop
• 31:36
  saying what we are talking about mc shan and carras one thirty years later,
• 31:41
  you're talking about modn and thirty years later, Siegal and Kissed twenty years ago.
• 31:47
  Basically our most So all of this stuff. It's a reason why we
• 31:51
  talk about certain songs. We talk about common and Q. This is in
• 31:55
  the mid nineties, The Bitch and You. This is I'm in college,
• 31:57
  I'm almost fifty. You know what I'm saying. That's when it came out,
• 32:01
  trust me. And we're gonna get into the historic significance of this.
• 32:07
  You want it where someone takes their time and make some things where the next
• 32:10
  generation can say, Hey, man, I remember do you remember that draking
• 32:15
  Kendrick Lamar battle, Because that's gonna happen people. We'll get into that.
• 32:19
  But I didn't. I didn't think nothing of it. I knew he was
• 32:22
  gonna respond because he's been waiting for this. I was waiting for the time
• 32:24
  because for some people, you don't understand that Kendrick is a rightter Okay,
• 32:30
  if you go back and listen to section eighty, and you go back and
• 32:34
  listen to Good Kid Man City, to Bimber Butterfly, all this stuff.
• 32:36
  He's a writer, he's a well thought out person. He's a poet.
• 32:40
  So they're not gonna rush their art. They're gonna think it through. It's
• 32:44
  gonna make sense to them, and they're gonna release it. And so I
• 32:46
  was just waiting and I didn't have a thought behind a time frame, right,
• 32:52
  Yeah, I was the same way, man. There's no way Kendrick
• 32:57
  been waiting this long to go minor only minor with this dude. He decides,
• 33:00
  he decides to be the one to be direct, and you think he's
• 33:06
  not gonna respond or he has to respond right away. That's new energy.
• 33:10
  Sometimes some cats could do that, want to do that, but Kendrick is
• 33:15
  a little bit different. As we'll learn. One other thing that wind up
• 33:17
  happening in the time that Drake was waiting for Kendrick to respond, he dropped
• 33:23
  another record. Yeah that's a little controversial because it's tied to a bunch of
• 33:30
  stuff that was happening and telling I'm gonna get your your thoughts on this but
• 33:35
  he dropped a song called Taylor May Freestyle, which featured AI versions of Tupac
• 33:42
  and Snoop basically showing how they disappointed and Kendrick, you know, he hadn't
• 33:47
  respond, he letting him down. Blah blah blah. Drake also rhyme's at
• 33:52
  the end of that. Eventually it had to be pulled down because Tupac's estate
• 33:58
  said, no, I don't care what you did. His voice is intellectual
• 34:04
  property IP. You can't use it. We will sue you. Now were
• 34:08
  they really going to sue him? I don't think so. I think they
• 34:10
  just wanted him to take it down, so they threatened him. But tone
• 34:15
  that time was crazy right there, right because not only that Drake made that
• 34:20
  move, and I want to know what you think about that move in particular,
• 34:23
  but we were inundated with AI everything, AI, Kendrick response, AI
• 34:31
  Drake, this just all this AI stuff and people didn't know whether it was
• 34:36
  real or not. Ye think about that element coming into play with a hip
• 34:43
  hop battle, because that's new. So first things first, I tweeted around
• 34:52
  that time, I don't want AI interfering with hip hop at all. I
• 34:57
  think some people remember that tweet. I did anyone who follows me and might
• 35:00
  be watching this episode. I don't like AI music because it takes away from
• 35:06
  the talent of musicians. We don't know what's real what's not, so I
• 35:12
  don't want it around hip hop. Okay, Now that being said, there's
• 35:16
  one small part of me to say, damn, that ship was kind of
• 35:20
  creative, you know what I'm saying, Like the Park ship Man kind of
• 35:23
  you know, going there and it's snoop and then Drake, nice little verse
• 35:27
  at the end. I'm like, you know we on one end Man,
• 35:31
  good song, you know what I'm saying, not bad at all. You
• 35:35
  sitting the battle off, you showing that you know what you said, what
• 35:37
  you said on the first joint on push Up now doing Tailor Man, Drake
• 35:42
  is Drake outside like I said just now, So in that regard, I
• 35:45
  wasn't mad at it. On the other end, I don't like AI with
• 35:47
  music, so I don't want to hear that type of shit again. But
• 35:51
  just for creative purposes and the fact that he's still baiting and saying come on,
• 35:57
  then in that regard I'll say cool, not that mad that well,
• 36:00
  I'm more mad at it's being pulled by Paka State when you know, God
• 36:06
  blessed it. Dead Pack is gone, Phoenie is gone. And from what
• 36:09
  I heard, I could be wrong. Somebody to commensation can fact check and
• 36:13
  correct me. Please. I don't think Tupac's sister owns his estate, so
• 36:19
  I think these other random people own Paka State, and that pisces me off
• 36:22
  even more because if that's true, I'm mad that his biological sister doesn't have
• 36:29
  his rights and in the labor of his life, you know what I'm saying.
• 36:34
  And you know, so that's another whole thing. Someone please, you
• 36:37
  know, if you able to look into that and put that in a compensation,
• 36:39
  please do. But I don't think that his sister owns it, so
• 36:43
  it pieces me off, you know what I'm saying. So I wish they
• 36:45
  could have left it up, you know what I'm saying. And maybe that's
• 36:47
  one of the things about music. Sometimes the wrong people own people catalog right,
• 36:53
  and that's frustrating. But overall, I don't want AI and music.
• 36:58
  But for the sake of the battle, it was creative. Yeah, I
• 37:02
  thought it was creative. I think I would have liked it better if he
• 37:07
  would have If Drake would have spoke or ron from the perspective of them,
• 37:12
  as opposed to inserting Tupac into a battle where he really ain't here to say
• 37:19
  whether he agreed with that or not. I think that's kind of what the
• 37:22
  States job is to say, Yeah, maybe not forget permission because for those
• 37:28
  who don't know, On Pimple Butterfly, Kendrick hughes actual audio recordings of Tupac
• 37:37
  to set up like a conversation with him, more like a mentor kind of
• 37:40
  conversation with him. Why Drake did what he did, but that he got
• 37:45
  the rights to do that with actual Tupac's voice as opposed to somebody creating things.
• 37:52
  And the other thing I didn't like about it, and this is all
• 37:54
  This ain't battle stuff. This is more things that affect people like Drake,
• 38:00
  who definitely has been a victim of it. You know, they're trying to
• 38:04
  get an actual law pass to prevent this, to protect art from having people
• 38:08
  just use their image in different ways, use their voice, and you have
• 38:14
  to that ain't good, right, It's not good. There's whole Drake albums
• 38:17
  on the internet, so I thought it was weird for him, who's been
• 38:22
  the tories behind the scenes protecting himself to do that with pots like, it's
• 38:29
  different if give you permission, Hey, it is what it is. But
• 38:35
  nevertheless it kind of knocked them down a peg, especially when they had to
• 38:40
  pull it, because now it's like, well, damn, do we even
• 38:44
  count that at this point? Yeah? I counted though, because we heard
• 38:47
  it, you know what I'm saying. So whether it disappeared or not,
• 38:51
  we heard it, you know what I'm saying. And like I said,
• 38:52
  that's two tracks. But then we come to his kidding turn now, and
• 38:59
  I think that Euphooria's next correct YEP was the first joint set out days after
• 39:09
  push ups, so less time y'all who were keeping track of when to respond.
• 39:15
  Yeah, and I heard that joint. Matter of fact, one of
• 39:17
  my no did you text it to me? Who texted me? Maybe I
• 39:23
  don't, I don't know, maybe well somebody text me. I remember that
• 39:28
  because I wasn't even online. And then I went on and I heard it
• 39:30
  and I was like, okay, that's now it begins. It was very
• 39:37
  direct, like the beat, I like the song man, like the sound
• 39:40
  man. I was because no, I like Drake, but I'm a Kendrick
• 39:45
  fan. In terms of I really rock with the layers of his music,
• 39:49
  and this was just a small glimpse of what I felt like was about to
• 39:52
  happen. When I heard You four, I said, Okay, I started
• 39:55
  I see the little layers. That's a little bit different. Like Drake is
• 40:01
  a dope rapper, he can rap his ass off, it's witty all the
• 40:06
  stuff. Kendrick goes somewhere different. It's different. And I ain't talking about
• 40:12
  who you think people think the best, but for me, Kendren will go
• 40:16
  somewhere and do a how much a dollar costs? And you hear the damn
• 40:21
  meanings in that damn song, you like, oh shit, you know what
• 40:22
  I'm saying. Drake, don't give me the old shit. Drake give me
• 40:25
  that's dope, dope, live dope song. Kendrick give me the He ain't
• 40:30
  just say that shit, did he? So? So when I heard You
• 40:34
  four, I started getting that feeling like this good. I know it's gonna
• 40:38
  keep going somewhere. What was your first thoughts when you heard you for you
• 40:44
  same thing? Man? Like I knew it was like the way it started.
• 40:49
  At first, I was kind of like, Okay, you know he
• 40:52
  he not going the straight BT cipher route right out the gate. He's kind
• 40:58
  of taking his time with it. And one thing I was telling people who
• 41:01
  aren't the biggest Kendrick fans is on the surface. On the first listen,
• 41:07
  Kendrick can sound like he's just saying the most simplest things in the world.
• 41:12
  They don't. They don't jump out at you at all. As you start
• 41:16
  to listen again, Yep and things are revealed and you find out more.
• 41:21
  Euphoria was so layered with easter eggs from the title YI and was a title
• 41:28
  of a show that Drake was the producer of. Yep, and it was
• 41:32
  just so many other layers within the song where I was like, yes,
• 41:37
  it's never just surface level. It's never it's never surfaced. And you know,
• 41:42
  just for those who feel like, well I don't want to try to
• 41:44
  figure it out, trust me, When you figure out one line, it
• 41:47
  leads you to the like, oh, brilliant writer, man, he thinks
• 41:52
  the threat. So yeah, I mean I felt like it was on now
• 41:58
  you know it was on, like he has a full song now because prior
• 42:00
  to that, Drake basically dropped two songs and J Cole had a song.
• 42:06
  Kendrick only had a burse so now he has his first full song responded to
• 42:10
  them, and Euphoria was dope, man. And then then he comes back
• 42:15
  to back, back to back, and you know what what was fun it
• 42:21
  was? I said, man, you know what. I was talking to
• 42:22
  one of my homies after Euphoria. I said, Kendrick gonna drop something else,
• 42:29
  But I said, I think he's gonna take a kind of a Drake
• 42:32
  concept is do like a Timestep song, man, real talk. And then
• 42:37
  I get another text from somebody, Hey, man, ken did you drop
• 42:40
  a song saying I already heard you for you? No, it ain't doing
• 42:43
  you for you though, it's like six sixteen in La. I'm like,
• 42:45
  what you're like, Man, Kendrick got a song called six sixteen in La.
• 42:50
  I said, log it on. I get on YouTube and I'm like,
• 42:53
  well, I get on Twitter and the link is then I'm like,
• 42:55
  oh shit, and I listen. I'm like, now, now's reel.
• 43:02
  That was real, Na's real, And Drake got the respond to this because
• 43:07
  now it's real. This certified this. You know what I'm saying. Euphoria
• 43:10
  is dope layers what it might even be a better song, but which I
• 43:14
  heard on six sixteen. I like, now he's attacking Drake. Now he's
• 43:19
  attacking, He's attacking. What stood out to me the most was euphoria was
• 43:24
  more of what you get from Kendrick today. Yeah, six sixteen was like,
• 43:30
  Okay, his heydt yeahs you know what I'm saying, Like it's an
• 43:37
  alchemist Pete and like you said before, layers right. The cover is the
• 43:44
  oj gloves with the Mayback music, but the date six sixteen, Father's Day,
• 43:58
  the first day of the OJH and ironically the day of Bury Nicole Simpson
• 44:05
  and yes absolutely man so and and some guy on YouTube under when I ended
• 44:13
  up listened to it again on YouTube, he lit and I coped and pasted
• 44:16
  with his name so people know it's here's my mind. In one of my
• 44:21
  tweets, he listed all what you're saying and some other stuff, and I
• 44:25
  was like, and I can't recall everything, but it was several other things
• 44:30
  that was kind of coincide with that date, and I was like, damn,
• 44:36
  was it really that methodical because and it was because when we get to
• 44:39
  the rest of these songs, I said, Man, Kendrick could die botic
• 44:43
  of demon. I said on Twitter, I have it here. So the
• 44:50
  song dropped exactly at six sixteen. Okay, yeah on West Coast time,
• 44:57
  right sixteenth with June it's Father's day in Canada. At least sixteenth of June
• 45:05
  is also Tupac's birthday. That might have been the other thing I couldn't remember,
• 45:10
  right, and the other ones we mentioned. Yeah, that's that's that's
• 45:17
  rebuttals to tailor made right and the usage to the answer. And as you
• 45:23
  can see, people, what Kisick was doing strategically is everything Drake did.
• 45:30
  He actually answered everything in detail right and even so and in his meanings right
• 45:37
  right for the discipher. So he actually was very meticulous with euphoria. And
• 45:45
  with six sixteen in LA now we're sitting there like, okay, that's that's
• 45:52
  two in a row. How long is it gonna take? What is Drake
• 45:57
  gonna do? And surprisingly, hey man, Drake said, okay, I'll
• 46:04
  come back to that. I'll keep fighting and what happens next, Labe.
• 46:08
  Then Drake drops what I believe Joe Budden hidden hinted at as nuclear and Drake
• 46:17
  hinted that as hitting the red button. Family matters. Not only is it
• 46:22
  a song, but it's a full on video He got the van from Kendrick's
• 46:28
  debut album Good Cat, Good Kid, Mad City. In it. They
• 46:31
  crushing it down at the Junkyard, got a Genie Unit spinner chain. He's
• 46:37
  in the restaurant in Toronto that was mentioned on Drake's I Mean Kendrick song that
• 46:44
  actually got them a lot of business and reviews as a result. This is
• 46:49
  the kill shot for Drake. He knows you see it in the video.
• 46:52
  He already know it, like your dad, this is this is it.
• 46:55
  It was like it was like it was like the meaning of the mafia,
• 46:59
  like after we murdered and we're gonna go eat some costa and some and some
• 47:01
  drinks of wine. Because you remember at one part of the video Drake sitting
• 47:05
  there at the table with his people laughing. And let me say this people,
• 47:10
  to Drake's credit, you're talking about coming back after Euphorian six sixteen in
• 47:17
  la to do a high end, nice video beat changing middle part of the
• 47:24
  song. He starts spitting that old, that old uh so far gone and
• 47:30
  come back season, Drake. You know what I'm saying. I was sitting
• 47:32
  there like my wife was walking down. She walked through her said, Drake
• 47:36
  came back with something pretty dope. She looked not bad. He's spitting and
• 47:39
  I was like, but I was like, you know what is this?
• 47:44
  Is this the whole empty clip out? I didn't know, but I was
• 47:45
  like, man, this is this is a dope song. You know what
• 47:49
  I'm saying. Like he but but one thing he did in there, he
• 47:52
  went for the kill shot and he brought up Kenchie's family. Yes, in
• 47:58
  the rhyan and we're gonna get to that in the mind of er because again
• 48:00
  Kendie will break down what you did and he's gonna answer you. But man,
• 48:05
  just through surface level, Drake made a dope Drakes song, you know
• 48:09
  what I'm saying. Video was good. He thought it out, and people,
• 48:13
  this is the dopte thinking about this battle. Like it or not,
• 48:16
  it's thought out. Both guys thought out what they were gonna do. Whether
• 48:21
  you liked it or not, it's irrelevant, but they thought out what they
• 48:24
  was gonna do and how they was gonna execute. And I'm gonna tell you
• 48:28
  anybody else Drake Drake might have got them. It's just ain't they ain't Kiddrick.
• 48:34
  You know what I'm saying, say anything with the same thing. When
• 48:36
  the locks was up on the stage of Deep Set and they did a song
• 48:39
  and they camera with the Jada kids. He was like, that's good,
• 48:44
  but it's not enough, you know what I'm saying, and so it was
• 48:46
  kind of that. But man, I remember seeing the joint and my man
• 48:51
  hit me up, was like, Yo, that's dope Tea. I like,
• 48:54
  no, I'm not gonna front because I ain't gonna be as do I
• 48:57
  posted. I said, Yo, that family Matter, that joint was dope.
• 49:00
  Drake went in. Then I said, now this next song, there's
• 49:07
  a video of me on Twitter. I posted three or four videos over several
• 49:12
  days after Famine Matter. I said, now what I feel like it's gonna
• 49:15
  happen. It's an Ether type song is about to happen from Kendrick Lamar.
• 49:21
  It's on my page still right now. What I meant when I had to
• 49:23
  go back and explaining to people there who used to sleep in class when they
• 49:27
  was kids and don't pay attention to context, I said a song that would
• 49:31
  Ether. Attacked jay Z like like NA said, make it soul burn slow.
• 49:37
  I said that Ken is gonna have a song it was gonna truly now
• 49:42
  answer this and attack him on some Ether type of shit after that, what
• 49:47
  happens vague so real quick. You know, when you're looking at the battle,
• 49:52
  you know they punching, right, you know they landing. And now
• 49:57
  Drake is starting to stand on it punches. You know what I'm saying.
• 50:00
  He's starting a little bit. Oh yeah, he's throw throwing straight hits.
• 50:06
  He's right, he's all his critics from Rick Ross to everybody. Yeah,
• 50:12
  Hendrick, you know he got the visuals. Yeah, but we're not even
• 50:16
  gonna hold y'all for those who don't know. Literally, like twenty minutes later,
• 50:22
  you need to let him Breathe didn't it. We didn't even get a
• 50:24
  chance to fully digest what Drake just put out. Kendrick drops Meet the Grams.
• 50:32
  And I ain't gonna lie to him. At first, I was like
• 50:36
  it's some AI like because I couldn't help it, because I was like,
• 50:40
  like, yo, can Drake just really just dropped, like literally just dropped,
• 50:47
  Hendrick drops Meet the Grams. And not only is it a rebuttal,
• 50:53
  but it's a checkmate in a lot of ways because he took he flipped his
• 50:59
  family matters, situation and everything he had to say and designed the record talking
• 51:04
  to each one of Drake's family members, including one that we did not know
• 51:09
  about. You know what I hear, player, I listened to it,
• 51:15
  right, This is true, true talk, babe. I listened to in
• 51:20
  my living room by myself. Then I pushed Paul's came in here and got
• 51:27
  a drink, and I would have stood on my porch for a minute soaked
• 51:32
  it all in. I said, I hear what the hell? I just
• 51:36
  think I heard, So I'm slipping on some I come up to the living
• 51:40
  room, I rewinded and play it again. And this is one of the
• 51:49
  most creative, most thought out, wildest disc records in hip hop history.
• 51:57
  I'm seriously, this ain't hyperbole. I'll be fit in that year. I'm
• 52:00
  not just saying this. I heard a lot of hip hops is way back.
• 52:05
  I had never heard someone basically write a letter to a family and say,
• 52:14
  why your family's fucked up? It's all Drake's fault. But I'm also
• 52:19
  blamed the parents too, the way you raised them. But let me give
• 52:22
  a doc, let me give a donna some love. Though, young King,
• 52:25
  you're gonna be alright, but don't be like your dad. Though,
• 52:29
  you know what I'm saying, The way he worried I have. I had
• 52:31
  my wife come downstairs, said I want you to listen to this. She
• 52:34
  listened to it, and after it went off, for my third time listening
• 52:37
  to it, she heard it that one that once. I she said this,
• 52:43
  I don't think I heard nothing like that before. This? This is
• 52:45
  real? Ain't it? This? What is this? And she liked Kings
• 52:50
  and Drakes. She she's cool, she like kidsen a little bit more.
• 52:52
  But she was just like, this is going somewhere I ain't expected to go.
• 52:55
  Right. I was like, look, man, I'm still bewildered,
• 52:59
  right, and I gotta listen this shit one more time. I listened to
• 53:01
  that joint four times in a row, man, and I was just like,
• 53:07
  I'm still I'm still baffled, man. And a lot of people hit
• 53:12
  me. I'm talking about probably one hundred people hit me on tour that I
• 53:15
  swear saying, Tony, your video age like fine Wine. It's all on
• 53:19
  my page right now. People everybody said, came to my page, your
• 53:22
  videos, uh age like fine Wine, that they'll meet the grams man after
• 53:27
  family matters. You don't even let that song and video. This's a dope
• 53:30
  song and video. I've this is unprecedent of hip hop history. Nobody has
• 53:36
  ever was not even a free style of In two thousand and five on Hot
• 53:40
  Lane and seven Happened, It's fast, Nobody ever crafted a song and released
• 53:46
  a song less than thirty forty five minutes after a big artist dropped a big
• 53:52
  song and video. Kendrew's back on his ass right and meet the parents.
• 53:59
  Man, when I think about hurtful the ship that he said in that song,
• 54:06
  I know Drake, and I know Drake, he responded, And we'll
• 54:08
  get to that in a minute. That type of song you sat there,
• 54:13
  it bothers you to the point where when Drake responded, he called Kendrick a
• 54:16
  piece of shit. Yeah, because when I heard Meet the Graham, That's
• 54:28
  when I posted, Kendrick is a diabolical demon, because who the hell does
• 54:35
  some shit like that? Man, I was like, he went low,
• 54:39
  I mean the insults, the stuff he said to it. He told his
• 54:45
  mom based chill listen to this. You know what I'm saying, Like he
• 54:47
  writing to the son, to the mom, to the dad, and to
• 54:51
  a child who we don't know about. Yeah, there's nothing confirmed about that,
• 54:54
  but in battle, like I tell people, jay Z then called Nad's
• 55:00
  crib and ether. You know what I'm saying. But that's what balance is.
• 55:05
  There's gonna be certain parts of the battle just to pisce you off.
• 55:08
  It ain't gotta be real, it's to pisch you off. You know what
• 55:13
  I'm saying. All the wall, destroy your opponent. Man, you know
• 55:16
  what I'm saying. So I gotta push your nerves. You know what I'm
• 55:20
  saying. I gotta call you these names. We gotta go as low as
• 55:22
  I I'm trying to bury you. This is what Balin is all about.
• 55:25
  You know what I'm saying. When jan rule was going through and that Irvan
• 55:29
  was going through the murder in situation with Prem all them, the fans and
• 55:32
  all that, what was Fitty sitting to you trying to do. Fifty was
• 55:36
  trying to bury this nigga. You know, you're trying to finish him out.
• 55:38
  He already they have a niggal problem, financial problems now because of the
• 55:42
  case and all that. You think fifty six carry did not he like?
• 55:45
  You know what? This is the raa war. Fittizelv talked about the rat
• 55:47
  of war before just in his lifetime. He see the oponing this week you
• 55:52
  step on it. You go ahead and destroy, you know what I'm saying.
• 55:55
  So to me, after I think that kid, you saw that feminine
• 56:00
  metal, that's good. But before I let these cats start over rating Drake's
• 56:06
  situation in this song and all that, I'm ana step on him again.
• 56:10
  Yeah. And you know what's interesting about that, Like I was watching,
• 56:15
  you know, I was watching player NBA playoffs and just popped on Twitter to
• 56:21
  talk specifically about the playoffs, and that's how I caught the Drake joint.
• 56:25
  So you know, I'm looking. I'm not only watching a video, I'm
• 56:29
  looking at the conversation and it's Drake heavy, right, you know, he
• 56:32
  killed them. It was ill blah blah blah. And before I could even
• 56:36
  digest my own thoughts, I start see creeping up. Yo, Kendrick dropped
• 56:40
  another one. Absolute excitement, man, was yo. You know what?
• 56:45
  This was so epic for hip hop because again, Drake been the artist that
• 56:49
  he years. When he drops that song, people started doing reaction videos immediately
• 56:52
  after that. Like you said, YouTube, Twitter, Ig, Drake is
• 56:57
  back, Drake done, got off, he did his thing and da da
• 57:00
  da da, And like you said, man, I'm enjoying. I enjoyed
• 57:02
  the song on the video. I don't know what else I was doing,
• 57:05
  man, but I swear one of my homies that live by the hour way
• 57:07
  text me like, Kendrick just dropped another song, Like, what are you
• 57:12
  talking about? He's like, Dog, Kendrick got a song called Meet the
• 57:15
  Grams out right now. I said, Dog, you're talking about the family
• 57:19
  mass Drake, No, no, no, Kindrick got a new song doog.
• 57:22
  I go back on line the gigs. I'm look at TV and I'm
• 57:25
  like, what is this? Shit is insane? And that's when I listened
• 57:30
  to it. And now that's when I heard it went outside of the I
• 57:32
  couldn't believe it, man, Like what is going on? Man? I
• 57:36
  was like the excitement that I had, And yeah, it was some low
• 57:38
  blows by both guys, but I'm enjoying the auto war. I'm just like,
• 57:43
  these guys are giving you everything, like we don't get this in hip
• 57:50
  hop like this, man, you know what I'm saying. So when he
• 57:52
  did that joint, I was like then I was kind of like for me
• 57:58
  personally, and this is when my back and forth a lot of people on
• 58:00
  to what happened over that that night and the next day, I said,
• 58:05
  for me, if this is the end, oh oh yeah. Kidder got
• 58:08
  him though, and I like Drake. You know what I'm saying. I'm
• 58:10
  like Euphoria six sixteen and Meet the Grams. I was like, yeah,
• 58:19
  that's it, and I said, I like Drake Johns. I said,
• 58:21
  but this is just a different level of demonic shit that the kids you got
• 58:25
  going on, and he got him. Darmned It's okay. I told some
• 58:28
  a couple of guys who attacking me. I'm like, yeah, I feel
• 58:30
  like it's over my nigga and it's okay. You know, yeah, it's
• 58:35
  okay, man, Like you know, it's it's it's battle rapping. But
• 58:38
  then what happens? Not too many real quick. Let me just add one
• 58:44
  thing. Yeah, so people know as far as the context, Yeah,
• 58:47
  Hendrick was already setting a lot of this up. Don't tell no lies about
• 58:52
  me, won't tell no truth about you? Yeah right. He said that
• 58:57
  in advance. He also said, ceasing desist to the like that record?
• 59:04
  What you didn't like that record? Back to Back? I like that,
• 59:07
  like that record. I'll get back to that record. Yeah, back to
• 59:12
  back. The same day, so again like, yeah, when you listening
• 59:17
  to Kendrick sometimes it just sounds like he's rapping, and he's not just rapping.
• 59:22
  Not just rapping. Man, right, he's like you said, he's
• 59:28
  a demon. Somebody says something matter of fact, shout out to the dudes
• 59:32
  who are doing the comedy skits. It was like, Yo, he liked
• 59:35
  Batman, like before you figured him out, Batman already standing behind you,
• 59:40
  he already ready to stab you. Pray. But yeah, what happened next
• 59:49
  was that that was already a glorious night. It was glorious that that Friday
• 59:55
  was just crazy. But Saturday night. Now me, tone, me,
• 1:00:01
  shout out to the homie. We on the phone were breaking down the battle.
• 1:00:05
  We talked about meet the Grahams and blah blah blah, cause we hadn't
• 1:00:07
  talked about any of this. While I'm on the phone, this the text
• 1:00:14
  me Kendrick drocked another one not like us. And I'm like, wait,
• 1:00:20
  you mean Drake, Like, no, Kendrick did me. And I had
• 1:00:24
  to get off the phone. We're like, yo, let's just get off.
• 1:00:27
  Listen and tone, I'm gonna tell you like this man, people know
• 1:00:31
  who know me obviously. I'm from Brooklyn, New York. I love my
• 1:00:35
  city in town, but I also love particularly old school with traditional West Coast
• 1:00:42
  hip hop, especially the sound. When I heard not like Us, I
• 1:00:45
  was like, that's it. This battle is over. This is a bop,
• 1:00:52
  like this is this battle is over. The victory lab. This is
• 1:00:54
  the victory lab. We are dancing on your grave at this point. Tone
• 1:01:00
  when you heard knock like Us, like what what? What space were you
• 1:01:04
  in when you even found out that he dropped it? Bro, I'm sitting
• 1:01:07
  there looking at TV chilling man. You know what I'm saying, My home,
• 1:01:09
  my homie that sent me you fought six sixteen. He texted lot of
• 1:01:15
  music to me and my other home all the time. We talk about music
• 1:01:17
  all the time. I get a text, I'm looking and he's like,
• 1:01:22
  yeah, dog, it's on again. I'm like what something like He's like,
• 1:01:28
  link coming up. Suck. A couple of seconds later, hit the
• 1:01:30
  link. He said, hit this dog. So I'm like, wait a
• 1:01:36
  minute. So yeah, I'm like, wait a minute, dog, Not
• 1:01:39
  like Us hit the song and I was like, this is nineteen ninety two
• 1:01:45
  West Coast shit. You know what I'm saying, Like it's the bop and
• 1:01:50
  I'm like, it's some Oakland shit. I said, I can hear Eat
• 1:01:53
  forty on the remix of this shit. And I was playing and I was
• 1:01:58
  like, just do who done created a West Coast Anthem? And I typed
• 1:02:01
  that on tour. After I heard the first time all this on my page
• 1:02:05
  off last weekend, I said, kid it. Them fucked around and created
• 1:02:09
  a West Coast Anthem. Right after that, I'm talking about thirty minutes after
• 1:02:15
  that, there were videos of people all on the West Coast gang members and
• 1:02:19
  everything dancing to this shit. I'm talking about within an hour of this shit
• 1:02:22
  hitting the streets, cats was doing their thing on the I said, not
• 1:02:28
  only did he make a West Coast anthem, just about to be a West
• 1:02:30
  Coast classic. They're gonna play in the club, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:02:35
  And soon. And that night this dude from LA who follows me sent
• 1:02:42
  me the video here like, yeah, dare in the club right now over
• 1:02:45
  in LA doing it right now. He was in La, you know what
• 1:02:47
  I'm saying. He posted sent me the video the DJ playing not like us
• 1:02:53
  in La. That night in the club, I said, dog, the
• 1:02:57
  battles over, I know, y'all, they start crying all on the page
• 1:03:01
  vague. I said, dog, the dude just did six sixteen Meet the
• 1:03:05
  grams and not like us in the fucking weekend. In the weekend, what
• 1:03:09
  are we talking about? What are we talking about? People? And look
• 1:03:15
  for those you know who listen to rap, but especially for those that write,
• 1:03:19
  you're talking about three different vibes rebuttals on Tandra's body in this dude like
• 1:03:29
  it's it's unheard of, unheard of never, never in hip hop history has
• 1:03:36
  an MC two top mcs. One of them dropped four different type of songs
• 1:03:43
  commst of the time. When people battle, it's the same vibe in each
• 1:03:45
  of their distance. For the most part, you knew caw of what they
• 1:03:47
  expect. Beat might be a little bit different, but the focus is kind
• 1:03:51
  of the same, right, Kendrick comes from four different type of angles,
• 1:03:57
  and you have to at a at a giant like in music. Drake is
• 1:04:00
  a giant in music. You know what I'm saying. Whether you like him
• 1:04:02
  or not, whether you feel like he's popping all this brother bullshit, he's
• 1:04:05
  an MC too, and he showed it over the weekend. Over the last
• 1:04:09
  week or two, he's an MC as well. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:04:11
  but I've never seen anyone attacked like this to the point like, you
• 1:04:16
  don't gonna use these type of samples, then I'm gonna use this type of
• 1:04:19
  flow, make this type of song right here, breaking down your family.
• 1:04:23
  Then I'm gonna take you out to the damn club because I know that's what
• 1:04:25
  you want to do. So who came out of this with the club bangle?
• 1:04:30
  Was the persecu didn't inspect the cerebral dude has the club bangle. You
• 1:04:33
  know what I'm saying. Even though Drake has the good songs, his joint
• 1:04:36
  ain't in. He ain't on Spotify and in the clubs right now. And
• 1:04:41
  look, all of these different media spaces are posting him being not like us.
• 1:04:48
  It is number one all these different streaming services. He's created a classic
• 1:04:54
  song. And like I said before on tour the other day, most legendary
• 1:04:59
  battles, something classic comes out of it. So for anybody on here who
• 1:05:03
  wanted to crowd about this battle, Kendrick did that. For the next generation,
• 1:05:09
  not like us. It's gonna be played a high school game to beat
• 1:05:13
  bands. Joints gonna be playing at college clubs, in the streets, the
• 1:05:17
  street niggas already cript walk into it. It's a classic now he said,
• 1:05:21
  West Close, West Coast classic that came out of this battle, you know
• 1:05:26
  what I'm saying. And it came out of a battle that also had three
• 1:05:29
  other songs that's nothing like this. So yes, that was the victory lap,
• 1:05:34
  even though Drake will talk about the minute decided. Am I really giving
• 1:05:39
  up? Maybe so, I don't know, but I got something else to
• 1:05:42
  drop, but a classic drop, yeah, and right in time for the
• 1:05:47
  summer, like just a song of the summer type style record. And you
• 1:05:54
  know, just for the context for some people, you know, when it
• 1:05:57
  came to the YouTube use of both their songs, their songs that would come
• 1:06:02
  out, you know in a lot of ways. Let's just go to the
• 1:06:06
  first one because I checked it in real time when I went and checked push
• 1:06:11
  Ups, right, and so it was at five hundred k views. This
• 1:06:15
  was around the time of Euphoria, and I checked Euphoria, which had dropped
• 1:06:19
  that day, and it was at a million now at one at some point,
• 1:06:24
  you know, they both really went up to like seven and some crazy
• 1:06:27
  numbers. But even on the charting side, Euphorias just went gold. But
• 1:06:34
  not like us. It's climbing. It had at one point it had four
• 1:06:40
  million streams in a day, which was a record. Then the next day
• 1:06:44
  he broke that record with seven million streams in a day. That's the that's
• 1:06:49
  the metric within a day, how many streams, not total, it's gonna
• 1:06:54
  be it's gonna be bananas once we seem at the end of the year.
• 1:06:58
  But right now seven million plus within hours, right, So yeah, man,
• 1:07:04
  it's it's crazy how that happened. Because one thing that we know that
• 1:07:12
  I remember, probably mostly from the jay Z and Nas thing, was when
• 1:07:16
  jay Z was king in New York like for real radio all the records,
• 1:07:24
  like he was dominating radio, was dominating the mind share. Once Ether came
• 1:07:29
  out and I happened to go home around that time, all you heard was
• 1:07:33
  that still Madic album everywhere on the radio, like he literally replaced jay Z.
• 1:07:42
  I feel like that was the people deciding who won. Absolutely the same
• 1:07:47
  thing here all you gotta do. I've been seen white people making TikTok videos
• 1:07:55
  and in all kinds of other countries in Toronto. Outside the Chinese restaurant where
• 1:08:02
  they were eating, I think it's Chinese a lot, just say Asian,
• 1:08:05
  uh outside of that restaurant. College students making a video with Not Like Us
• 1:08:13
  playing in the sixth It's everywhere. Man, i'mnna tell you crazy. My
• 1:08:17
  little man hitting me in here in high school. He's like, yeah,
• 1:08:23
  I like not like Us. You know what I'm saying, my son.
• 1:08:26
  So then all the day just randoming. My wife called me, she commuting,
• 1:08:30
  she had she had a meeting. She's like, man, I had
• 1:08:33
  that Not Like Us on repeat. You know what I'm saying, Like this
• 1:08:36
  randomness, my own family. You know what I'm saying. The two people
• 1:08:40
  in the house, it's just random shit. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:08:43
  But like I told this one dude wanted to bake me back and forth on
• 1:08:45
  twur the other day. I said, dog, he like, I guess
• 1:08:47
  you the hborough hip hop right about who won this battle? I said about
• 1:08:50
  me, It's about the people, the people out spoken. I said,
• 1:08:54
  you see what's going on right now, Go to ig, go to TikTok,
• 1:08:58
  go to the stream and stuff, and see who breaking all these records.
• 1:09:00
  Ain't got nothing to do with me. Don't get mad at me about
• 1:09:02
  it. Drake lost, Okay, it's okay. I didn't decide that the
• 1:09:06
  people decide that, just like you said, in New York, people can
• 1:09:11
  say what they want to, but the people decided that Niles was victorious.
• 1:09:15
  These are facts. You ain't gotta listen to us, the people talking.
• 1:09:18
  You know what I'm saying. I mean, that's what it is. So
• 1:09:21
  I mean that weekend was epic, you know what I'm saying. But hey,
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  but let's go into you know, Drake had one more on the Chamber.
• 1:09:30
  Yeah, considering what we felt about the record, the movement that was
• 1:09:34
  happening at the time, Drake was like, I guy one more Amy,
• 1:09:39
  I got one more blow in me, you know, And he dropped a
• 1:09:42
  record that was a play on the series that Kendrick does called the Heart six,
• 1:09:49
  which is in line because the last one is five five and which is
• 1:09:56
  very dope, matter of fact, behead right right, you know. So
• 1:10:00
  that's kind of a rebuttal because he used the time stamp thing, tom stamp
• 1:10:04
  thing, which is right right, and it's it's rebuttaling a lot of different
• 1:10:12
  things that was already said. Uh, some of which we can get into
• 1:10:16
  after this because there's a question I want to ask you to him about judging
• 1:10:20
  battists. But you know, I think most of us because not like us
• 1:10:30
  kind of put a cap on the battle. And what Drake did because he
• 1:10:33
  was spitting like he was spitting like Drake Drake, not twenty one Savage Rhyn
• 1:10:39
  you know, come back Drake. But he sound a little defeated because in
• 1:10:47
  several occasions throughout his lyrics he contradicted himself. He said things that probably wasn't
• 1:10:56
  the best thing to say. If somebody calling you a pedophile, you don't
• 1:10:59
  say, you know, like the one tweet I saw, if I'm a
• 1:11:01
  liar, why aren't my pants on fire? Like dog? You don't even
• 1:11:06
  acknowledge it in that way bringing up Millie Bobby Brown when nobody brought up Millie
• 1:11:11
  Bobby Brown, but we know about you and Millie Bobby Brown. It just
• 1:11:17
  and then at the end sounded like, yo, you probably got ten more
• 1:11:21
  songs. You know, I don't want to do this after begging him,
• 1:11:26
  so the snow now you're tied. Yeah. I think that that was Dama's
• 1:11:32
  control. Don't get me wrong. Like the beat, he was spitting on
• 1:11:35
  it, but what it was spitting it If you go back and do the
• 1:11:39
  knowledge onuse I know and the beginning when it first dropped. The Drake fans
• 1:11:43
  like he won again, he's back up again. I don't know what they
• 1:11:45
  were talking about, because that was craziness, but I think he dropped a
• 1:11:48
  good record. Yes, and I said that. I said it was dope,
• 1:11:50
  you know what I'm saying, but not dope enough, you know what
• 1:11:53
  I'm saying, because to me, it was end up being damage control.
• 1:11:57
  I'm saying, I'm reborting all the stuff that you said about me. He
• 1:12:00
  talked too much at the egg sound like he was giving up, you know
• 1:12:03
  what I'm saying. And then it's like, I'm exhausted. Now basically you're
• 1:12:08
  gonna do like you're gonna keep doing all this shit. I don't want to
• 1:12:12
  do this shit no more than I'm tied, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:12:14
  So that's kind of where it came off. Even some of his own fans
• 1:12:17
  said that. But there are some of the fans who just anything to do.
• 1:12:21
  They're gonna say he won was Obviously the people have spoken. Hip hop
• 1:12:26
  ha spoken. Anybody watching this who might have liked what I'm saying, it
• 1:12:29
  don't matter because hip hop spoke. This ain't till turn of the dumb saying
• 1:12:31
  hip hop did and Tony. It's no different from what we witnessed with jay
• 1:12:38
  Z and Nas. There were people who were just hanging on, like who
• 1:12:42
  continue to hang on, who feel like, nah, jay Z won because
• 1:12:47
  of you know, NAS was all lies and all of that. But like
• 1:12:50
  yesh, he won because he did a joint venture with Depth Jam, but
• 1:12:55
  he wore because jay Z got more money or whatever the case may be.
• 1:13:00
  So the excuses, and I said this on twit them videos, excuse it,
• 1:13:03
  excuse you the excuses, But numbers don't lie. Since y'all always want
• 1:13:08
  to use and that's what I posted the other day with that where we're not
• 1:13:10
  like us went up like number one on some service streaming. It's like y'all
• 1:13:14
  the ones used numbers for Drake and eminem y'all do that. You know what
• 1:13:18
  I'm saying. We didn't ask you that. But every time I about Drake,
• 1:13:20
  it is about his success, it's about his numbers, it's about his
• 1:13:24
  streaming. Well, Kendrick beat him in his own game. He out creativity.
• 1:13:29
  He had more creativity with the songs, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:13:31
  because he's a deeper thinker, which we all know that, So he beat
• 1:13:35
  him. On that end, then he beat him on streaming, then he
• 1:13:38
  got a club banger, So how didn't even how did he not win the
• 1:13:41
  fucking battle? That's all I'm saying. That's that's that's what happened. That's
• 1:13:45
  exactly what happened. And honestly, you know, it's just it's it's typical
• 1:13:51
  for people when they debate and they don't want to accept defeat because they're so
• 1:13:58
  invested and what they believed in. So now you see what you see?
• 1:14:03
  Did you see did you see when I retweeted your boy maul him about the
• 1:14:08
  damn have a nervous breakdown because he's defending Drake hardened academics was yeah, which
• 1:14:16
  is crazy, right at least when when it came time to show that he
• 1:14:24
  was being fair and stuff like that, he didn't really wane in one way,
• 1:14:29
  like just completely Drake. What mal did was the most moist ship I've
• 1:14:33
  ever seen in my life, because it was disgusting, like, dog,
• 1:14:36
  are you on payroll? Are you? I mean, if you don't watch
• 1:14:41
  this video without him, you don't watch this video or with the sound off.
• 1:14:45
  You look, he was crying about the family member that passed away.
• 1:14:48
  He definitely was crying inside, like I mean, I was like, God,
• 1:14:53
  damn, dude, what what are you doing? You know what I'm
• 1:14:55
  saying? Like right, let me let me ask you. Distance is related.
• 1:15:00
  So if y'all ain't here before, at this point, we feel like
• 1:15:05
  even with Drake's response, which was cool, but he kind of like he
• 1:15:12
  downplayed it. So it just was like waving a white flag in a lot
• 1:15:15
  of ways, what do you think? Because this is what this is what
• 1:15:19
  I believe in. We all know battle rap is about judging how you say
• 1:15:27
  things. Not what you say, but how what you say plays a role.
• 1:15:31
  But it's how you say it. Pass his body like stocked in,
• 1:15:35
  like pass on his body, like like bars like that that you catch.
• 1:15:42
  They should resonate with you when you hear them, right, not necessarily accusations.
• 1:15:47
  What is what happened with this battle tone and you saw it, is
• 1:15:51
  that it became with the fans a debate over the accusations. Is Kendrick a
• 1:15:57
  white beater? Is break a pedophile? Right? But in the realm of
• 1:16:02
  a battle, sure, saying things about somebody saying somebody got a daughter or
• 1:16:09
  whatever, it's cool, but it's about the work you put in with the
• 1:16:13
  bars. What do you think about the fact that there was this much confusion
• 1:16:18
  with quote unquote hip hop fans to judge accusations versus skills. Well, you
• 1:16:27
  know what, man, We're in a sensor of society right now, social
• 1:16:31
  media. A lot of people have their own feelings about words because words now
• 1:16:36
  different. He she heard you know what I mean? Everything is different now.
• 1:16:43
  People are more emotional about things now they take it to heart more than
• 1:16:47
  just art, you know. And what I mean by that is for hip
• 1:16:51
  hop heads, for example, most hardcore hip hop battles. The two dudes
• 1:16:58
  were talking about fucking shooting each other, saying thing I say to somebody the
• 1:17:01
  other day, why are you crying? But you love the kids? And
• 1:17:04
  Sigull and all the other guys battles, But half of the rhymes about when
• 1:17:10
  I see it, but it's taking it's taking two shots to you and your
• 1:17:13
  crew. You know what I'm saying. You're talking about black on black violence
• 1:17:15
  basically. But y'all okay with that because the bars are up the park,
• 1:17:18
  right, you know what I'm saying. Whatever, or even back in the
• 1:17:21
  day, you had rhymes DJ Cook against MC eight, you know, you
• 1:17:25
  talking about gang affiliation in rhymes. You know what I'm saying or the shit
• 1:17:29
  that Park said. And people know I'm hard on Park because I love Tupac
• 1:17:32
  peoplen' understand. I want the biggest Tupac fans. George No, I got
• 1:17:34
  everything Tupac. You know what I'm saying. But yes, Park said foul
• 1:17:41
  shit that y'all loved, y'all love hit him up? Right? We talking
• 1:17:44
  about he fucked this man wife right, no facts in that, but you
• 1:17:47
  love that. You love when he said, don't want these niggas got sickle
• 1:17:50
  cell or something, you know what I'm saying, or or my full four
• 1:17:54
  Makeup'm sure all y'all kids don't grow. What the fuck we talk about y'all?
• 1:17:58
  So yeah, Kinikin and Drake they took low bros. Because that's always
• 1:18:01
  been what hip hop is. So this shit they quests loved like our hip
• 1:18:04
  hop is dead the way people is gossiping there where these battles are now,
• 1:18:08
  no quest love y'all the same niggas they did what they do And this this
• 1:18:13
  New York, this biggie in the video having little images of the dude in
• 1:18:16
  bed and all this stuff like that. I know Black thought lyrics. You
• 1:18:19
  know what I'm saying, y'all was dissing y'all. The same niggas also did
• 1:18:23
  the Unplugged with jay Z and did Takeover Live after you know what I'm saying.
• 1:18:29
  Now's and jay Z been battle for months, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:18:31
  After you heard super Ugly on the radio station and jay Z said he
• 1:18:36
  put cons on ours baby fucking mama's baby s you know what I'm saying.
• 1:18:41
  So yeah, don't get hired righteous now because you did that. So if
• 1:18:44
  hip hop is dead, why you still doing all this podcast making out his
• 1:18:46
  money off hip hop? You know what I'm saying. That's what I said
• 1:18:49
  online tonight. And I don't care if quests love seeing anybody else see it,
• 1:18:51
  and I heard I saw a lot of comments, so whatever, So
• 1:18:55
  now, dog, what they said is what they said. That's war,
• 1:18:59
  that's battle. Most of these most of these battles was about people killing each
• 1:19:02
  other, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, some of it low
• 1:19:05
  sure, that's part of game, part of the game. But let me
• 1:19:10
  say this real quick. A bottle line that I posted tonight when Kendrick said
• 1:19:15
  what he said right here, beat your ass and how the Bible of God
• 1:19:18
  watching. Let me say that again, people, Kenny said, beat your
• 1:19:25
  ass and how the Bible of God watching. That's that thing. You can
• 1:19:29
  interpret that however you want interpret it. But that's the layers of Kendrick Lamar.
• 1:19:32
  You know what I'm saying. It's like, Yo, what I'm doing.
• 1:19:34
  I can I can look at it as as you know what I'm saying.
• 1:19:38
  What I'm doing to you, I'm committing to saying. You know what
• 1:19:41
  I'm saying, or however you want to interpret it. Man, you know
• 1:19:44
  what I'm saying. But the things that Kendrick said, Drake said, slicks
• 1:19:46
  shit right, Kendrick went low because there's something there with Kendrick where that's truth
• 1:19:55
  and everything. And what I say mean by that is, do I think
• 1:19:58
  you thinking of a pep no brough. Do I think he think he's a
• 1:20:00
  weirdo into that Hollywood shit? Yeah? I don't think Kenny think that Drake
• 1:20:04
  has done nothing like he looking with a little, no kids, none.
• 1:20:08
  But I think that his his aggression towards all that is, Dude, you're
• 1:20:12
  still a weirdo. You typing that be a puff party or something like that.
• 1:20:15
  That's that's to me. That why he's saying you, that's why he
• 1:20:16
  said another song. Ya, I'll been in the industry all these years.
• 1:20:20
  It's you a weirdo like them. Basically, you know what I'm saying and
• 1:20:24
  that and that's basically what he was doing. Man, And uh yeah,
• 1:20:28
  man, I mean, but this society is, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:20:30
  so many different agendas. And also you know, when your when your
• 1:20:34
  guy is losing, I'm gonna take everything the other person do and make it
• 1:20:40
  offensive and make it more than what it is. But a drake so called
• 1:20:44
  will have the club begging right now, had a number one shit on like
• 1:20:47
  Spotify and all this stuff like that, It wouldn't matter what he said.
• 1:20:50
  It don't matter that he said that Kennedy beat his damn wife. Who ain't
• 1:20:54
  no facting that either, So same, ain't no facts that you did some
• 1:20:57
  und age, ain't no facts the kitten. We ain't never seen a picture
• 1:20:59
  of kid, and no police support he beat his wife up right, So
• 1:21:04
  as love and all right, all we have, if we if we're going
• 1:21:10
  to entertain the accusations in these in these rhyms, all we have from Kendrick
• 1:21:16
  is him defending a room or years ago in a breakfast club and some other
• 1:21:21
  random video with a couple of people who look like it's just really difficult to
• 1:21:28
  believe. I don't know where somebody dug that up from, uh saying talking
• 1:21:33
  about an incident with Kendrick and a woman that they did not see what they
• 1:21:39
  heard, right, it was about him doing whatever. Now with Drake,
• 1:21:43
  it's where there's smoke, there's fired. So what Kendrick is using to make
• 1:21:48
  accusations towards Drake is things that you can go watch right now on YouTube on
• 1:21:55
  stage talking to a seventeen year old girl, right saying are you too young?
• 1:22:00
  If you worry? Bah blah blah, and then kissing her. Right,
• 1:22:05
  you can say, oh, but that was no man. Alia was
• 1:22:10
  a long time too. But we still feel the same way about r.
• 1:22:12
  Kelly and his transgressions. Right, the N word, right, Yo?
• 1:22:17
  How he gonna tell him that he not black? He said, he don't
• 1:22:21
  like the way you use the N word. Well, you can find a
• 1:22:26
  video online of Drake using an N word in a way that no one who
• 1:22:31
  uses it like us has never used it like that. It ain't had that
• 1:22:36
  E did it? Oh you never seen the video? No, I was
• 1:22:43
  sarcastic, but it had the it had the R like it we don't do
• 1:22:47
  that. It's an early video of Drake and he's this isn't exactly the line
• 1:22:56
  he says, but this is how he says the word, right like,
• 1:22:59
  yeah, so me and my niggers, I don't know anybody especially black,
• 1:23:04
  even half black, Puerto Rican whatever that has had to start at that point
• 1:23:12
  with the word and graduate to nigga or whatever. And that's why, I
• 1:23:15
  mean, that's why a kid is shit on one of the songs. What
• 1:23:18
  I'm saying is what the coach is already saying about you. It's already out
• 1:23:24
  there, y'all. Don't have to believe us. We don't have to put
• 1:23:26
  the link in the description. It's out there. That's what leads to it,
• 1:23:30
  just like the daughter thing, that the things are out there, like
• 1:23:33
  you know, they weren't really exposing everything to a t but it's because it's
• 1:23:40
  out there, not because Kendrick said so. And that's kind of the difference
• 1:23:45
  between you know, I and I get it some people that's but that going
• 1:23:50
  back to the original statement and question, hip hop battles are about the skills,
• 1:23:58
  the context of what they saying, and all of that it could all
• 1:24:00
  be lies. Some of it could be lies, some of it could be
• 1:24:03
  true. It doesn't matter. It's all about how you say it. The
• 1:24:06
  music. And Kendrick just did a better job with his material than Drake did.
• 1:24:13
  Drake wasn't terrible, He's not whack as a result, he just lost
• 1:24:16
  this one and that's fine, that's okay, right. Look, man,
• 1:24:21
  when when Croyland and Marven having a fault on Ali and Fraser fault or whatever
• 1:24:28
  the case will be, somebody won, somebody lost, but they both walked
• 1:24:30
  away as champions, you know what I'm saying. And Drake still got his
• 1:24:32
  fan base. Kendrick got his fan base. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:24:36
  Some people like us like both with the contrary to popular belief, I like
• 1:24:41
  hip hop more and I like anybody individually. So if you're making some good
• 1:24:44
  music, I'm gonna I'm gonna rock with you. But let me say this
• 1:24:45
  real quick. I think you muther just gonna get to at some point,
• 1:24:48
  how do we look at this in historical context? Yep, you want me
• 1:24:53
  to go there? Yeah, So just real quick, for the people like
• 1:24:58
  we were talking about this particular battle but now that we think, or at
• 1:25:03
  least we feel, it's over, how does this battle rank against other battles
• 1:25:11
  within the history of hip hop? And is they're a top five battle rap
• 1:25:17
  song or even top ten within this battle? You owe me to kind of
• 1:25:25
  address. So I will say, and I know some people ain't gonna want
• 1:25:30
  to hear this, because we, especially people of our age, our era,
• 1:25:36
  nostalgia gets the best of us. Right, So I'm gonna explain something.
• 1:25:41
  This is one of the top five battles of hip hop history. People,
• 1:25:44
  Okay, I'm gonna talk about this right now, and then we're gonna
• 1:25:46
  tweet about it at some point. This is why, because this is one
• 1:25:50
  of the few times where the two top people of the culture have an extensive
• 1:25:58
  battle. And I say extensive battle. Now you drop a song, I
• 1:26:00
  drop a song, and we throw subliminals made on our albums a year or
• 1:26:04
  two later, or whatever the case may be. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:26:08
  This is a battle where one guy dropped four songs, three of them
• 1:26:14
  in a weekend. One of them is number one on the streaming that basically
• 1:26:19
  these songs are charting and going like gold and shit, platinum type shit Drake
• 1:26:26
  dropped several songs out of this whole battle. That's like eight songs, seven
• 1:26:32
  or eight songs in a week or two. Let me say that again,
• 1:26:36
  and in a week or two, basically there's like a total of almost eight,
• 1:26:41
  like eight songs. No, no battle of hip hop history has they
• 1:26:46
  have freestyles. A song here, a song there. Nobody has seven or
• 1:26:50
  eight songs, uh to this degree outside of Nas and jay Z. You
• 1:26:57
  know what I'm saying, Cause people look at NAZ and jay Z, which
• 1:26:59
  is to me, was the new one about hip hop history. You know
• 1:27:01
  what I'm saying. People look at us ether and take over super ugly,
• 1:27:05
  you know whatever. But they had several freestyles that come get me, Come
• 1:27:10
  and get me, all these songs, you know what I'm saying. People
• 1:27:13
  talking still matter freestyle out for our freestyle. A lot of joints. But
• 1:27:19
  Drake and Kendrick a top five battle. This is the reason why and when
• 1:27:25
  Carris won beat mc shann. Carris one might have been one of the top
• 1:27:28
  mcs of the era, but Shann wasn't. Mc shann was the man in
• 1:27:31
  Queensbridge and a famous New York rapper, but he wasn't over the whole culture
• 1:27:36
  and Christmas brand New. You know what I'm saying. L was the biggest
• 1:27:41
  rapper in the world at one point. Battle of Kumod so you can name
• 1:27:44
  it as one of the top five ones, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:27:46
  quick and eight They were West Coast legends, but not a part, not
• 1:27:49
  bigger than the whole, biggest, the whole culture. Like this situation.
• 1:27:54
  I know nostalgia, y'all, But Drake and Kendrick is equal to like what
• 1:27:59
  L was when he was Battles equal to Nas and jay Z when they that's
• 1:28:01
  what they are right now, Just for context, Kendrick and Drake is like
• 1:28:06
  it's Nas and jay Z. So as big as that was for us people
• 1:28:11
  in Lake Florida's fiss whatever in two thousand and one, that's how big this
• 1:28:15
  battle was in hip hop this year in twenty twenty four. You know what
• 1:28:18
  I'm saying, it's one of top five biggest runs of I mean as far
• 1:28:23
  as like Battles Bay and the way they released this music, you know what
• 1:28:27
  I'm saying, The way they set the industry on fire. What was the
• 1:28:30
  last time the industry was on fire like this? This is bigger than fifty
• 1:28:32
  cent and Ji Ruth. You know what I'm saying. Fifty cent was huge.
• 1:28:36
  You know what I'm saying, Ji Ruth was starting to cool off,
• 1:28:39
  so he wasn't number one guy no more. Because jay Z and dal mesics
• 1:28:42
  bigger than Ji rou at the time. Nobody's bigoging the Kennedy and nobody's bigging
• 1:28:45
  to Drake. That's my point of saying this. Anybody who might be our
• 1:28:48
  age or young or older, think about a time in hip hop history were
• 1:28:54
  the two biggest people that meaning, nobody's bigger than them. When is that?
• 1:29:00
  When does that happen to hip hop? You can't really name it,
• 1:29:04
  can't. L L at one point was a dope and but but modep was
• 1:29:10
  what was was on the down side of his career. You know what I'm
• 1:29:14
  saying again, who else? Fifty six was on the rise to take over
• 1:29:18
  hip hop at the time, but John Rude Rain had ended, you know
• 1:29:24
  what I'm saying, So there is no there is no battle bigger than this
• 1:29:28
  outside of you want to continue, Noaz and jay Z and real quick for
• 1:29:30
  context, when I said on tour the other day, Biggi and Pop really
• 1:29:34
  wasn't a hip hop battles hip hop beef. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:29:38
  a battle is two MC's exchanging songs, freestyle skills. Yeah, you can
• 1:29:44
  say biggest shots and subliminals, but that was after hit them up, after
• 1:29:47
  Pop created the beef, after the Quad studio. It wasn't a traditional rap
• 1:29:53
  battle. And by the time Bigger Pot was gonna start some of that shit
• 1:29:57
  after Life after Death, he was dead, Bob was dead, so they
• 1:30:00
  didn't really get a chance to truly battle. So their names is bigger than
• 1:30:04
  the battle was. The beef is bigger than what a battle could be with
• 1:30:09
  Bigger Park in the way they died. But in terms of traditional hip hop
• 1:30:13
  battles outside of NAS and jay Z, this could be the biggest battle of
• 1:30:17
  hip hop history in a whole totalitarian of the situation. Like, I agree,
• 1:30:25
  I think it comes if you you know, when you're talking about the
• 1:30:30
  status, because I was. I was telling my brother something similar. You
• 1:30:33
  know, when it came to like KR riss One and Shane, I felt
• 1:30:36
  like that's probably more local, like U n C eight and DJ Quick what
• 1:30:43
  it really was right like it was it was big because we were in New
• 1:30:46
  York City. Yeah, this is go go down. But people, it's
• 1:30:49
  a nostalagi of the Craig Carriers one. And that was at the end of
• 1:30:54
  the day. That was a local battle. That shit didn't affect Compton,
• 1:30:56
  just like that's a local joint and comping battle in effect then effect New York
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  went and Quickness battle. But Jay, yeah they did. They didn't even
• 1:31:09
  know. But this one right here, like I said, first of all
• 1:31:13
  created so to your point, history will show how large not like that is.
• 1:31:18
  You know what I'm saying. Because I said this to West Coast Anthem
• 1:31:20
  and wes Coast Classic got ready, it could potentially end up being a top
• 1:31:25
  five, top ten battle song in rap history because it's gonna transcend over again.
• 1:31:31
  Streets Club is doing all this stuff right now. It's probably it's just
• 1:31:35
  as big right now as any other single hip hop battle track. Look what
• 1:31:41
  it's doing, It's creating dances in the street. Gangman was righting to it.
• 1:31:45
  The club's high school of college sports games, TikTok. It's a global
• 1:31:51
  song now already, and a lot of your our hip hop battle songs we
• 1:31:56
  loved didn't go global like that, right and look in a lot of ways
• 1:32:01
  too. Probably the only other uh battle that had at least the opponents had
• 1:32:10
  a high status at the same time as probably ice Cuban n w A because
• 1:32:15
  n w A was still hot. It just they never released another album after
• 1:32:19
  that second one. It was there was still there was still hot, you
• 1:32:24
  know what I'm saying. And even me being down south, you know,
• 1:32:27
  we rocked with ice Cube and NBA, but for me it was short lived
• 1:32:32
  because NWA through some shots, ice Q dropped no Vasaline and and again the
• 1:32:39
  other big song during that time for that battle was NBBA and especially rent on
• 1:32:44
  Real Niggas. You know what I'm saying. Real Niggas was vicious, you
• 1:32:45
  know what I'm saying, and ice Q one as dope as he was Real
• 1:32:48
  Niggas with a bear, you know what I'm saying. Because because c C
• 1:32:53
  got I mean Rin got off on Real Niggas. That's one of those underrated
• 1:32:57
  This song hip hop history from NBBA Real Niggas, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:33:00
  Anybody who don't remember that joint, put that in YouTube and check it
• 1:33:03
  out. But yeah, man, when you look at the full context of
• 1:33:06
  this, I think you are gonna get I think that not like us.
• 1:33:12
  It's the apex of the battle. In terms of notoriety, it is the
• 1:33:17
  song that people will play on the West Coast, any hip hop in general
• 1:33:23
  for years to come, even though Family of Me the Grahams is the ether
• 1:33:28
  type song to me in terms of the attack, the psychological attack not like
• 1:33:32
  Us is the victory lap that even casual rap fans can appreciate. And once
• 1:33:36
  you're able to do something like that, I mean you did something special,
• 1:33:41
  man. So I would say it's gonna be. It's gonna end up in
• 1:33:44
  the top five, top ten this song in rap history, if not already,
• 1:33:46
  I'll say that This Battle is a top three ever in the culture because
• 1:33:51
  the whole when you look at the total perspective of this battle and what it
• 1:33:56
  means to hip hop or who they are right now in their career. You
• 1:34:00
  know what I'm saying, Like this is truely some epic shit, man,
• 1:34:02
  And I think that, yes, haters and eyes all me, it's all
• 1:34:05
  whack. I don't care nothing about all that nonsense. What these guys did,
• 1:34:11
  even outside of some of the logo insults, to respond back and forth
• 1:34:15
  to each other like that, with the disaggression and focus and detail, and
• 1:34:19
  even with Drake doing the AI. It was creative, like it or not.
• 1:34:23
  They did a lot of stuff in this battle and made a lot of
• 1:34:26
  different types of songs. Man, for the fans and for their fan base.
• 1:34:30
  Man, it's truely epic time. Man, we won't see two people
• 1:34:33
  at the top at this level for another whole generation. See, this don't
• 1:34:39
  happen every year. This don't happen in five years. Were talking about we'll
• 1:34:43
  be old men this time. This shit happened again. You know what I'm
• 1:34:45
  saying. Let me ask you this question. So for the Devil's Advocate side
• 1:34:53
  of things, this battle in particular is also amplified because of social media,
• 1:35:00
  Like you didn't you didn't have a tool like that because battles back in the
• 1:35:03
  days, even jay Z and NAS we relied heavily on radio and the new
• 1:35:12
  Yeah, it was like you know, chat rooms and stuff like it.
• 1:35:15
  It didn't have the ability to spread as quick and be as available. Like
• 1:35:19
  for example, you know you recorded this record, you know it goes right
• 1:35:26
  up as you feeding it directly to the public and everybody has access because mostly
• 1:35:30
  everybody has a phone or some device to get to that record right away,
• 1:35:35
  whereas before it was like tune in time. If you didn't have Napster or
• 1:35:41
  anything like that, it was like, Yo, I gotta listen to the
• 1:35:44
  hip hop show and hope they play it, or I got to turn on
• 1:35:46
  the radio to see if they play it, or maybe it's on a mixtape,
• 1:35:51
  you know, stuff like that. So I think that in some ways
• 1:35:56
  it's a little bit amplified. But if you take the crowd out of the
• 1:36:00
  work they put in in the amount of time, quality work in a lot
• 1:36:04
  of ways. Because they did a video in that yeah it's Top three easy
• 1:36:13
  easy man, And you know, to your point, just to kind of
• 1:36:15
  rebuttal the devil advagate. Part of this is the era we live in.
• 1:36:20
  So in life, man, any aspect of life, people say, oh,
• 1:36:24
  man, well let's say the NBA, NFL right now, Well,
• 1:36:27
  supplements are better now, food is better. Now, people got private shelves,
• 1:36:30
  now, people got these state of the art gems and stuff like that.
• 1:36:35
  Well, okay, that's fine, because this is the era. This
• 1:36:36
  is the time we like that time hip hop is that time in life in
• 1:36:41
  the world that we live in right now at this moment. So uh,
• 1:36:44
  yeah, it amplifies it. But this is the new world. You know
• 1:36:46
  what I'm saying. So all we can do is is basic on this is
• 1:36:51
  the time we're living in. Man. You know that other people trying to
• 1:36:54
  battle during the end of the era, it didn't flame like this, you
• 1:36:57
  know what I'm saying. So we can only look at the days of our
• 1:37:02
  lives, right, these are the these are the times where we just is
• 1:37:05
  the era we live in, you know what I'm saying, Like, Hey,
• 1:37:08
  you know we played we got football now, you know, ten thousand
• 1:37:12
  years ago there was in the damn coliseum, you know, you know,
• 1:37:15
  you know, you know what I'm saying. So this is and you could
• 1:37:18
  tackle any way you want now, you know, protect the quarterback, you
• 1:37:24
  know, and can't go for their legs. So oh, let me say
• 1:37:28
  one one thing real quick too. Uh. Somebody actually the other day after
• 1:37:32
  the last Drake Hart part, shicks but what is what's next for kids?
• 1:37:35
  And what is the kids you're gonna do next? I said, well,
• 1:37:38
  I felt like, not like this is the victory out, but but to
• 1:37:42
  put a little bit of icing on the cake, go ahead, dropper,
• 1:37:45
  not like that a video and Compton on the West Coast have to have you
• 1:37:50
  know what I'm saying, you know, a little little little cameos Ford and
• 1:37:54
  all these guys from the Bay have have to have the boys out doing their
• 1:37:58
  dancing streets. You know what I'm say, man, really getting in having
• 1:38:00
  to show a little piece of the club. Were getting it there, Go
• 1:38:02
  ahead and finish your victory that with not like us video. Man. So
• 1:38:06
  I honestly think that's what Kendrick working on right now. I could be totally
• 1:38:10
  wrong. I think that he's gonna do it not like video. And I
• 1:38:13
  think at some point this year we're all going to give a Kendrick Lamar album,
• 1:38:16
  and I think that it will be more on the line. I think
• 1:38:19
  he's in his in his zone right now. So I feel storytelling Kendrick coming
• 1:38:24
  back, not conscious to Pimple Butterfly. I think some good kid, mad
• 1:38:29
  city Kendrick is coming back with a little bit of damn in it man.
• 1:38:31
  So that's what I'm expecting, man, I'm expecting an amazing album from Kendrick
• 1:38:35
  Glamar this year because he did that Mister Morale as his own, like Marvin
• 1:38:40
  Gaye, here, my dear, that was his thirpy session. There was
• 1:38:43
  some getting out his emotional feelings out and stuff like that, and now I
• 1:38:45
  think he going back to some k dot shit. And now, honestly he
• 1:38:49
  would be on brand right because Good Kid Mad City's first to Pimple Butterfly is
• 1:38:55
  highly conceptual. Then Damn is more like Good Kid Mad City, mister Morale
• 1:39:00
  is more like to Pimper Butterfly with the concept. So it would be on
• 1:39:04
  time to another joint. And I agree, you know, I think we're
• 1:39:10
  going to get an album because it's been like two years, and I think
• 1:39:14
  it's it's crazy if they don't do a video like it has to. It's
• 1:39:17
  just too even if you do a video just grabbing reactions and you know what
• 1:39:24
  I'm saying, TikTok videos and those right now, right and and it makes
• 1:39:30
  it more of what it is. It's more of a community record. All
• 1:39:34
  right. Let me ask you this last joint, oh way, that is
• 1:39:39
  battling and as far as I guess, mainstream artists like this go from here
• 1:39:45
  because they kind of set a bar. Now that's not just record for record.
• 1:39:50
  They did a bunch in this back and forth that are we going to
• 1:39:55
  feel like the next battle that maybe you know some two guys who can go
• 1:40:00
  Are we gonna feel a little cheated if they only like he do a song,
• 1:40:02
  He do a song, and then that's it. You know what,
• 1:40:08
  First of all, good course, the second this is what legends do you
• 1:40:12
  know what I'm saying. They set a precedent each era. Most times,
• 1:40:16
  the legends set up what's to follow and whether people like people are not.
• 1:40:21
  Drake is a legend in music. Kendrick Lamar is a legend in music.
• 1:40:26
  They got so many different records and stuff that people will be able to look
• 1:40:30
  at later and said, damn they did. They set a lot of records
• 1:40:33
  when they was at the apex of their career. They legends in the game,
• 1:40:36
  So yes, what they did was legendary. Yes, anyone who battles
• 1:40:41
  after them, you can't just release the song. And they released on song
• 1:40:44
  a month later. Unfortunately, what they did now was push it up where
• 1:40:47
  if you're gonna battle, you better start writing. You better start writing several
• 1:40:51
  songs at a time so you'll be ready for the for your rebuttal that means
• 1:40:55
  if you gotta beat for somebody that you know you're gonna say it off with
• 1:40:58
  them, go and write three songs over the weekend. Just write them because
• 1:41:01
  when when that dude would send a song at you, you better be ready
• 1:41:05
  to send another song right back at him. And if he can, and
• 1:41:09
  if that dude send a death blow to you, you better do what Kendrick
• 1:41:13
  did. And I didn't even let that shit breathe and an hour later,
• 1:41:15
  you need to be upload on your producer need to be uploading that shit online,
• 1:41:19
  you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, it did change.
• 1:41:23
  I think it will now how better or worse? I don't know. When
• 1:41:27
  people start rushing in battles and putting some trash out, you know what I'm
• 1:41:30
  saying, or wull, they still take their time and give it two or
• 1:41:33
  three days to make sure they think it out, get the right beat,
• 1:41:35
  have the right flow, and be in pocket, or they rush. I
• 1:41:40
  think it's gonna do a little bit of both. For some people to go,
• 1:41:42
  it's gonna make them look good. I think for some people may be
• 1:41:44
  in battle, I think they might rush so well either way to see I
• 1:41:47
  don't know who's next. Like I said, we won't see this on this
• 1:41:50
  level for a long time. You know what, If anybody think they about
• 1:41:54
  to see anything like this, you're not. That's why someone game made his
• 1:41:57
  little comment about Rick Rosse. No, nigga, we don't want to hear
• 1:42:00
  you do a fifteen minute song. Nigga. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:42:02
  it's gonna be boring like you did a ten minute song. It's eminem it
• 1:42:05
  disappeared. Nobody fucking cares. You know what I'm saying. Nobody cares because
• 1:42:10
  it's not authentic. You're making up something, you're pushing. This has been
• 1:42:14
  This battle has been manifested for years, same way jay Z and Na's battle
• 1:42:18
  has really started. It was written now you know what I'm saying. We
• 1:42:23
  can debate if the lext with TV says the minimals that Jay we don't know,
• 1:42:27
  but there's a room on that we know we will survive. He said,
• 1:42:30
  you claim to be New York's king. All this stuff over years is
• 1:42:33
  the little shots was taken. Same with Draken and Kendrick. We don't know
• 1:42:38
  somebody to try to force something. That's why it's gonna be years before two
• 1:42:43
  huge moguls. You know what I'm saying, at the Apex is going to
• 1:42:46
  battle because it's got the it's got to have some backdrop to it. You
• 1:42:50
  got to have some meaning to it, and they're gonna have to also have
• 1:42:56
  somewhat the relationship Kendrick and Kendrick and Drake. Like we said, it was
• 1:42:59
  gonna take care a good kid man sitting a tour, they had some camaraderie
• 1:43:03
  jay Z and NOAs they knew each other, just likes Professor said before they
• 1:43:08
  was on tour for real to go before jay Z was anybody he knew,
• 1:43:12
  nas was. You know what I'm saying that they were very familiar with each
• 1:43:15
  other in a lot of different surfaces because of law Professor and because Jazz Oh
• 1:43:18
  and all of them. So so it was history there, you know what
• 1:43:21
  I'm saying. So there's no history there, it's not gonna be believable.
• 1:43:25
  So we go out to wait for a couple of years. Man, it
• 1:43:27
  really been the truth for elcident, Babe. Yeah, and again, like
• 1:43:30
  we said earlier, given all the things that we mentioned, and even when
• 1:43:35
  Tone asked me, you know how I felt when I first heard like that,
• 1:43:40
  it's the same thing. It was something that was brewing. It was
• 1:43:44
  brewing for those two individuals, is brewing for everybody who knew there was subliminals
• 1:43:48
  and so there was a lot more there. So obviously there's a ton of
• 1:43:53
  things beyond. You know, this one's a pedophile and this one's you know,
• 1:43:59
  a wife. You know it was extortion bars, it was ghost writer
• 1:44:02
  bars. There was all this in there because of material. It was naster
• 1:44:09
  work. It was nasty work. And like Tone said, you know,
• 1:44:12
  there's just a couple of individuals who, Yo, we don't want to hear
• 1:44:15
  from y'all. Let's focus on the task in hand. So again I agree
• 1:44:21
  with Tone, man, this is one of the greatest battles and hip hop
• 1:44:25
  history. We kind of thought it would be and it kind of played out
• 1:44:30
  that way. Again, we still walk away as Kendrick J. Cole and
• 1:44:34
  Drake fans anticipating music from all three of them. It's about nothing but the
• 1:44:42
  music. Anything outside of that is for y'all to talk about in debate.
• 1:44:46
  But definitely leave your comments in the comments section below. Do you think this
• 1:44:51
  is one of the greatest hip hop battles of all time? Do you think
• 1:44:56
  one of them dropped the song that could be top five, top ten all
• 1:45:00
  time? Or anything we mentioned about this battle, You can leave the comments
• 1:45:04
  of the comment section. Now, we're gonna do something new at the end
• 1:45:10
  of the show. Before we used to do album recommendations, but we're gonna
• 1:45:14
  switch it up to do a little bit more engagement participation if you will with
• 1:45:18
  a question and were Obviously we're gonna answer the question, but we want you
• 1:45:24
  to also answer the question in the comment section. Tone Knowing that this year
• 1:45:31
  twenty twenty four, we're gonna get an album from Common produced by Pete Rock
• 1:45:39
  and an album from Nas produced by DJ Premier, which one do you think
• 1:45:45
  will turn out to be the better project? Oh man, oh man,
• 1:45:55
  This is one of them. Questions will depend on what they ask me,
• 1:45:58
  But let me say this. I feel like Common sound a good on that
• 1:46:05
  lad on that first song, though I swear he did. I'll say this
• 1:46:11
  though, just for context. Production wise, I honestly think Pete Rock gonna
• 1:46:19
  have the better beats. And yes, outside of Doctor Dre Doctor Dreds,
• 1:46:26
  my West Coast goat, uh pretty much is my East Coast goat. I
• 1:46:33
  think that Pete Rock has been making better beats over the last ten years and
• 1:46:40
  hip hop ben DJ Premier. I like the new NAS Primo song It's dope.
• 1:46:45
  I even like I like to beat, but I think the Common and
• 1:46:49
  Pete Rock's song is better. I think the beat is better, but both
• 1:46:54
  of them are dope. I'd have to preliminary wise, I'm gonna slightly give
• 1:47:00
  that. The production I'm gonna give to Pete Rock. I think the way
• 1:47:04
  Nad's been rapping up, I don't know I comic can do that for a
• 1:47:06
  whole album still, maybe can you know what I'm saying. But the zone
• 1:47:10
  of Nods being in through the Hit Board series, I'm gonna say Nod's gonna
• 1:47:14
  be the better MC and I think Pete Rock gonna be the better producer.
• 1:47:20
  So I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna give the edge to Nozzen Primo because
• 1:47:27
  I think that Nazza's is gonna be spectacular and he know what's at stake with
• 1:47:30
  this album. I think that the song that we heard is gonna be a
• 1:47:35
  bonus track on there. Uh And I think that Primo is gonna come with
• 1:47:40
  the best he can do. He'll still be good. I think Pete Rock
• 1:47:43
  might have a little bit better production, but I think the overall album because
• 1:47:46
  of Nads where Nass been since this Hit Board run, I'll give it to
• 1:47:51
  Noazen Promo, but it's gonna be I think it's gonna be tough man,
• 1:47:56
  what about you? I agree When I wrote the question, I really had
• 1:48:00
  to think like hard about it because I totally agree. I feel like Pete
• 1:48:08
  Rock gives has the age with the beats, and NAS because of his current
• 1:48:13
  work, has the age with the rons and the songs in a lot of
• 1:48:17
  ways. They probably should switch. You know what I'm saying, because NAS
• 1:48:24
  and Pete Rock album sounds really good to me, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:48:28
  The current work one of my Pete Rock with that like that, right,
• 1:48:36
  you know, right? Right? But you know, just thinking about
• 1:48:40
  where NAS is and where Pete Rocket is, uh with his production, I
• 1:48:45
  think it would be I think it would be epic, man. But I'm
• 1:48:47
  hoping that I feel you know what, man, I feel good about both
• 1:48:51
  of them. They you know what I'm saying. I feel good about both
• 1:48:54
  albums. I'm gonna get an edge to people for the reason I said just
• 1:48:58
  now, man, But what a time man. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:49:00
  Like, I'm excited about both because I love Common people know what I
• 1:49:05
  what I think about Common. You know what I'm saying, Like I'm one
• 1:49:09
  of the biggest Common fans you'll ever You'll ever see, man, and so
• 1:49:13
  I'm happy for him. He looked happy on I g looked happy in the
• 1:49:16
  studio of Pete Rock. His interviews, he's felt, he's been he feels
• 1:49:20
  really good about this album. And so you know, I know somebody who
• 1:49:27
  heard it and they said it's incredible. Yeah, well it's coming very soon.
• 1:49:38
  It's coming very soon to me that that's my pick, to be honest,
• 1:49:42
  because it's kiming very soon. Nas in Premier have done more than just
• 1:49:48
  that one record. But I'm talking about I'm talking about I know somebout heard
• 1:49:53
  the Pete Rocking and coming. No, no, no, I'm saying I'm
• 1:49:55
  choosing Pete Rock in Common. Okay, Okay, it's off of what I've
• 1:50:00
  heard. Like, I've heard one song that wasn't that great from those two.
• 1:50:04
  I think it's called beat Box something like that recently off the hip hop
• 1:50:10
  fifty EP. This one was better than me. But it, like we
• 1:50:15
  all said, it kind of sound like an announcement more than yeah. But
• 1:50:19
  then when we heard the Common joint with Pete Rock, it was like,
• 1:50:24
  oh, Pete Rock Beats must have him back in his bag. So but
• 1:50:29
  it's so good, that's all that's all sounds good rock, right, and
• 1:50:32
  we're gonna listen to all of it. You know it's not one, Yeah,
• 1:50:35
  because we definitely have to say that as a disclaimer for some people who
• 1:50:40
  watch. Just because you pick one doesn't mean the other one is garbage.
• 1:50:45
  I mean, I don't know how many ways we can stress that, like
• 1:50:47
  it just doesn't because christ like, we want both, but sometimes it's fun
• 1:50:54
  to play shit bets. And you know what, we have to have an
• 1:50:58
  episode at some point. If we're lucky both comes this year, we can
• 1:51:02
  analyze both and we can revisit this episode and as this question, we're posing
• 1:51:08
  to the to the to the to the audience as far as like, yo,
• 1:51:13
  these two albums, the episode about these two albums and revisiting them and
• 1:51:16
  maybe even tracked by track by track, Uh, come comparing them like you
• 1:51:20
  know what I'm saying. I like to do that every now and then.
• 1:51:23
  And look what if we finally get you tipping, you know, because that's
• 1:51:30
  a pairing right there where I don't know what doing like, yeah, I
• 1:51:34
  don't know what they maybe you know, the rock and roll Hall of Fame
• 1:51:38
  thing and make him get up out of his chair real, I mean,
• 1:51:42
  the way was talking in the last interview or so a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:51:45
  he said it's been done. Yeah, said the album is done.
• 1:51:49
  Yeah, it been done. He said he feels like it's incredible and look
• 1:51:53
  the song of her. I like, y'all know and me and you are
• 1:51:56
  the same when it comes to James Todd Smith. So you know, right,
• 1:52:00
  you can't say shit man by el to me. I ain't trying to
• 1:52:02
  hear it. I just I'm just mad al ain't. I'm mad al ain't
• 1:52:08
  ain't gave it to us yet. That's the only thing I'm mad by l
• 1:52:10
  about. Outside of that, you know, I don't play that shit fuck
• 1:52:12
  with James Dodd. Yeah, and it could be. It could be an
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  interesting year if they all like finally released and snooping Doctor Drake. So we'll
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