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Town Meeting Book Club: The Third Gilmore Girl · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I Am All in again. Oh it's you.
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  Speaker 2: I Am All in Town Meeting with Suzanne French and
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  Speaker 2: Tara suit An iHeartRadio podcast. Hi guys, welcome to another
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  Speaker 2: episode of I Am All in Town Meeting, And this
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  Speaker 2: time we're not recapping an episode.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna have a little book club. Hi Susant, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: how are you. I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like cuddling up with a book during the
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  Speaker 2: holidays is like exactly what I want to do. And
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, when we talked about doing this, it just
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  Speaker 2: seemed like the perfect time.
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  Speaker 1: YEP, with some sort of hot beverage in your hand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so, I uh, just let everyone know we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be talking about Kelly Bishop's memoir, the Third Gilmore Girl.
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  Speaker 3: iHeart Podcasts listen on the iHeartRadio app. So Suzanne read
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  Speaker 3: the book. I did the audio book.
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  Speaker 2: So it's kind of interesting because we have like two
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  Speaker 2: different perspectives. But I finished my audio book while I
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  Speaker 2: was in New York on a work trip, so I
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  Speaker 2: it actually was really cold and I had a hot beverage.
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  Speaker 3: So the holiday season full swing.
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  Speaker 1: I finished the physical book last night in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the evening, so it was like right around dinner time,
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  Speaker 1: so it wasn't too cold here, but it was dark.
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  Speaker 1: Does that count?
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  Speaker 3: That counts? That counts anywhere? Do we begin? First of all,
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  Speaker 3: I just I loved the memoir as a whole.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was so well written and for anyone
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  Speaker 2: who wants to read it and do the audiobook, Kelly
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  Speaker 2: Bishop narrates it, and I feel like it just gave
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  Speaker 2: that extra special Gilmore touch that I will.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm probably going to go back and
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  Speaker 1: get the audiobook and listen to it. But I did
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  Speaker 1: that with Lauren's books, read the physical copy first and
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  Speaker 1: then did the audiobook, and it does like add that
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  Speaker 1: extra dimension to have the original author reading the book.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to that. But I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was great. I didn't really know that much about Kelly Bishop,
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  Speaker 1: like I knew me too obviously. I know Gilmour and
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  Speaker 1: I knew Dirty Dancing and chorus line, and that was
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  Speaker 1: really all I knew about her. So I really enjoyed
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  Speaker 1: getting to know her. I feel like it was just
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  Speaker 1: so readable, like it just went so fast, like it
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  Speaker 1: was literally were having a conversation with her. It was great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And also the what's it called the very beginning
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  Speaker 2: of the book, I'm blanking the prologue. The prologue, it
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  Speaker 2: was written by Amy Sherman Palladino. Yeah, and Amy actually
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  Speaker 2: narrated that in the audio book. So to get Amy
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  Speaker 2: to hear Amy the forward sorry, yes, the foreword to
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  Speaker 2: get Amy to start the book was kind of like
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  Speaker 2: and the way she spoke, and she's so passionate when
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  Speaker 2: she speaks, and she was talking about Kelly.
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  Speaker 3: It made me emotional, just like, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, there's this piece of them connected because of the
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  Speaker 2: show for the rest of their lives. And they talk
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  Speaker 2: about that in the book of like they became instant
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  Speaker 2: friends and still are. And you know, then the forward,
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  Speaker 2: Amy mentions like, I'll have Kelly work in every project
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  Speaker 2: I ever work in, ever.
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  Speaker 3: Again, because she's that amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you could really tell how much they all
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  Speaker 1: admired each other, Her and Amy and Lauren, especially towards
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  Speaker 1: the end of the book where they were getting together
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  Speaker 1: like during the pandemic and things like that, Like you
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  Speaker 1: could really see how strong that friendship was because she
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  Speaker 1: touched on how in that industry you are in your
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  Speaker 1: little microcosm of the show you're working on. But then
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  Speaker 1: when that show is over. Everybody just goes their different
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  Speaker 1: directions and starts working projects and you lose touch with people.
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  Speaker 1: But like that corror group, like they have just stayed
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  Speaker 1: tight friends even to this day. And I just love that,
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  Speaker 1: Like everybody wants to have a friendship like that.
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  Speaker 3: It's so true, like I have.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've worked in different places on different teams,
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  Speaker 2: and you sometimes will wish you can go back to that.
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  Speaker 3: Group, but there's a moment in time for that.
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  Speaker 2: And there are people who I'm still very close with
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  Speaker 2: who I talk to weekly that were in those workplaces.
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  Speaker 2: But to get that whole group back together is so rare.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, and I love that, Kelly. And we're going
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  Speaker 2: to kind of jump around in this recap of just
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  Speaker 2: talking about the book as a whole, But when they
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  Speaker 2: talked about the reunion, it was just like, I love
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  Speaker 2: how Kelly just wanted it, like she wanted as much
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  Speaker 2: as like the fans wanted.
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  Speaker 3: It, whether it was the.
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  Speaker 2: Convention they did or just the like you know, bringing
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  Speaker 2: the show back.
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  Speaker 3: And one thing that set out to me that I I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know why, I just I just always wonder if
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  Speaker 2: like the actors want to talk about season seven and
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  Speaker 2: Amy and Dan not being there, and Kelly really touched
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  Speaker 2: on like it wasn't the same and we all just
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  Speaker 2: went about the day and read the scripts and got
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  Speaker 2: it over with.
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  Speaker 3: Not that they didn't enjoy it. They still enjoyed it,
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  Speaker 3: but she.
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  Speaker 2: Basically alluded to we know that it wasn't the best season,
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  Speaker 2: like we know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were all under contract, so there wasn't
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  Speaker 1: anything like they just had to keep working.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she did say she was like, I bet you
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  Speaker 2: if they stayed that show would have gone on more
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  Speaker 2: than seven seasons with Amy and Dan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was just gonna say the same thing. And
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting to think about that possibility, like
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  Speaker 1: where might the story have gone had they sty.
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  Speaker 3: Like how much more would we have gone?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I know Scott has said in the past that
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  Speaker 1: he had already signed on through season eight, and I
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  Speaker 1: think other some other people had too, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: they were all on board. But yeah, it's interesting to
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  Speaker 1: think what I could have.
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  Speaker 3: My big takeaway I think from the book.
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  Speaker 2: Was you really like there's no certain age where success
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  Speaker 2: is measured, Like if you think about it, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Kelly obviously wanted Tony and she was in Dirty Dancing
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  Speaker 2: but it really wasn't until Gilmore Girls where she was
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  Speaker 2: like kind of a household name and people would recognize
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  Speaker 2: her from her voice. Like she's like, oh, someone said
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  Speaker 2: they heard my voice, and she was, I mean, how
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  Speaker 2: old was she then?
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  Speaker 3: Sixties, sixties? Right in her sixties.
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  Speaker 1: Was I think she was in her fifties, like late
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  Speaker 1: fifties when they started.
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  Speaker 2: But it's so cool to think in your fifties, like
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  Speaker 2: basically your entire world is starting over in a new way.
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  Speaker 2: And even at the end of the book, she really
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  Speaker 2: touched on like you want to There was a certain
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  Speaker 2: line she said, you learn from so many lessons and
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  Speaker 2: it's not like you just continue learning. And then they
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  Speaker 2: talked about the end of the book how her friend's
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  Speaker 2: son wanted to be in theater and they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: tell them it's talking to do and she's yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And she's like why because if it's gonna be able
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  Speaker 2: to support him and he loves it, then like why not, right?
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  Speaker 2: And if and there's time to decide on other careers
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  Speaker 2: if it doesn't work out, because she wanted to be
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  Speaker 2: an enlightened a light director. So that was my biggest
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  Speaker 2: takeaway from the book, is like there's really no age
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  Speaker 2: where it's like I think growing up, like I always
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  Speaker 2: thought in my thirties i'd be married with kids.
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  Speaker 3: That clearly did not happened.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, like there's no limit to age and
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  Speaker 2: to what you're doing at what age?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's so true. And she's she's had a
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  Speaker 1: very long career, and she pointed out even I think
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  Speaker 1: towards the beginning of the book, about how she's been
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  Speaker 1: very fortunate to be able to make a living doing
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  Speaker 1: dancing and acting without having to fill in with waitressing
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  Speaker 1: or working in an office, Like she's been able to
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  Speaker 1: make her whole living just doing that. It just shows
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  Speaker 1: you can be in that industry and still make a
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  Speaker 1: living without being a house whole name.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she mentioned like she didn't want to be a star,
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  Speaker 2: she wanted to do it for the art of it,
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  Speaker 2: which is also, like I think about it, that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of the best of both worlds, Like you can do
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  Speaker 2: exactly what you love being entertainment, but no one's going
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  Speaker 2: to like follow you around and wondering who you're dating exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I think about people like Taylor Swift and she can't
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  Speaker 1: even sneeze without it. One hundred photographers capturing it and
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  Speaker 1: plastering everywhere. And I think that would really be a
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  Speaker 1: sad way to live your life, Like the money wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be worth it to me, No, And so I agree
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  Speaker 1: with you, like that's the best way to do it.
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  Speaker 1: You can get to do what you love, but you
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  Speaker 1: don't have many of the downsides of being like a
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  Speaker 1: public Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And she never lived in la which I thought was
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  Speaker 3: very interesting. She was flying back and forth to be
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  Speaker 3: with her husband and who my god, her husband had
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  Speaker 3: been so much like every chapter. I was like, oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, this this poor.
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  Speaker 2: Man, like he's been through so much. And she was
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  Speaker 2: basically back and forth. And I love that he didn't
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  Speaker 2: hold back her career because of it. But she'd be
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she'd be on a plane home basically every
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  Speaker 2: other week. It sounded like every week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that that takes its toll, like that would
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  Speaker 1: be hard to do. So it's we're all lucky as
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  Speaker 1: viewers that they were able to work out that schedule
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  Speaker 1: that she could you could still do that, because I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine the show without her or with Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I also I thought it was so funny when talking
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  Speaker 2: about working with Edward ed Herman that they wanted Tony
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  Speaker 2: on the same night, and I googled it. Did you
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  Speaker 2: have you seen the picture of them together?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Like, isn't that wild to think, like those two
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  Speaker 3: people wanted Tony.
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  Speaker 2: And then years later are a married couple on one
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  Speaker 2: of the biggest shows in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, what are the chances? I know, that's so crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I was. I was googling it just to see her
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  Speaker 2: like her at the Tony's and the picture of them
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  Speaker 2: popped up, and I was like, oh my god, what
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  Speaker 2: a cool picture to have.
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  Speaker 3: And then you both look like the same, like like
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  Speaker 3: they look the same as they.
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  Speaker 1: Did, like they didn't age. I know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, wow, I did love the part
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  Speaker 2: in uh when she was talking about Gilmore, how you
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  Speaker 2: know in theater you're always prepared, like being ready means
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  Speaker 2: you're in your spot, but like for TV and film actors,
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  Speaker 2: like being ready means walking from your trailer. And her
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  Speaker 2: and Ed would just be sitting at the table at
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  Speaker 2: the Gilmour's house like waiting for Lauren.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so funny. They'd be waiting for everybody else to
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  Speaker 1: show up. Yeah, and then and said, we're theater people
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  Speaker 1: because you're right, like if the curtain's going up, you
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  Speaker 1: got to be in your place to be there. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna start without you, which doesn't really happen in TV.
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  Speaker 1: They can't start until the actors. It's the other way around.
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  Speaker 1: They can't start the actors are there. So yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was I just loved how her whole career she's done everything,
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  Speaker 1: Like she started out as a dancer and you know
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  Speaker 1: that transitioned into Broadway and then she pivoted to movie
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  Speaker 1: and TV and like there's not a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: all that could do all of that. They can do
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  Speaker 1: the live theater, but it doesn't transition to television or
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're TV stars, but they don't. They can't
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  Speaker 1: perform live because they need multiple takes or whatever. She
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  Speaker 1: just was so versatile, and it just she just transitioned easily,
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  Speaker 1: you know, from from one thing to the next.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember when she said that she wanted to
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  Speaker 2: go from a theater to television.
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  Speaker 3: It took two years. Like it wasn't like an overnight thing.
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  Speaker 2: It gets still, I know what you're saying, like seamlessly,
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  Speaker 2: and also you have to have so much talent to
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  Speaker 2: do that. But like it kind of was nice to
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  Speaker 2: hear like, yeah, I went to god knows how many
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  Speaker 2: auditions and things where I was laughing at the part
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  Speaker 2: where she was talking about getting the Gilmore script, and
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  Speaker 2: I guess everything before that was like a rendition on
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  Speaker 2: the Sopranos, like that was like the big thing, and
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  Speaker 2: she's like, I don't want to do this type of show.
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  Speaker 1: Every show had an Italian family.
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  Speaker 3: And the way she described.
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  Speaker 2: The way that she was pitched Gilmore, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: it made me think, like, wow, Amy and Dan, unless
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  Speaker 2: unless this is how like not Emily Kelly summed it up.
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  Speaker 2: But if that's how Amy and Dan really like set
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  Speaker 2: the tone for the show of describing each character, they
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  Speaker 2: kept that true and true through the whole series of
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  Speaker 2: the little descriptions that she gave explaining each character. And yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I also love that she basically thought she didn't get it,
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  Speaker 2: which is like I feel like, usually is a story
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  Speaker 2: they're like, oh well whatever, But it's because the network
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  Speaker 2: made Amy.
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  Speaker 3: Audition many more people. But she kept going back to Kelly.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Kelly thought she was gonna have to go
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  Speaker 1: back an audition for the network and they never called her,
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  Speaker 1: so she just assumed, Okay, I didn't get it, but
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  Speaker 1: that that was because in the background, Amy already knew
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  Speaker 1: that it was going to be Kelly, and she kept
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  Speaker 1: pushing back. Amy was pushing back on the network against
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  Speaker 1: all these other people that they wanted her to look at.
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  Speaker 1: So it was it was great, like she knew right
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  Speaker 1: away and that instinct clearly was spot on, because.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine any other actress playing Emily,
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  Speaker 2: Like even if I tried, I'm like, I don't know who.
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  Speaker 3: Could play her with the wit.
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  Speaker 2: And I love that she like and when you do
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  Speaker 2: the audio book Susanne, she like kind of recites some
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  Speaker 2: scenes and some line and she does it in her
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  Speaker 2: Emily like, oh good, he said. I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: literally was so excited. Was like watching an episode of
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  Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls, but just hearing it like how I'm used
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  Speaker 2: to hearing it in the background. Cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I also like that she talked about bun heads
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  Speaker 2: like briefly, because it was a time in her life
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  Speaker 2: where she was like, I don't think I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it was her fault. I mean, she says
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  Speaker 2: that she could have given more, but I think it
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  Speaker 2: was just some shows are great and the timing of
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  Speaker 2: it just doesn't work out, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and she didn't have about a network support either,
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  Speaker 1: which makes a difference.
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  Speaker 2: And having one season only is so hard because I
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  Speaker 2: feel like a lot of shows, like I'll go back
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  Speaker 2: to shows that I'm binging, or I'll refer a show
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  Speaker 2: to a friend, I'll be like, just get through season one,
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  Speaker 2: it gets better, you know, Like season one is really
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  Speaker 2: like setting the tone for the whole series, which I
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  Speaker 2: think for Gilmore, season one could have stood alone and
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  Speaker 2: been totally fine. But a lot of shows are really
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  Speaker 2: hard to establish, you know. Yeah, a lot in like
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  Speaker 2: the first two episodes, like Gilmore, we kind of got
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  Speaker 2: plopped into the middle and you just kind of like
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  Speaker 2: learned how things were. Like there was a part where
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  Speaker 2: Kelly mentioned the way Amy wrote what was the first
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  Speaker 2: phone call when Laura needs money for the school or
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  Speaker 2: no sorry when she shows up the door and Richard's like,
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  Speaker 2: oh is it Christmas or whatever? I said, Like so
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  Speaker 2: you just automatically know that, Okay, their daughter hasn't doesn't
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  Speaker 2: come over very often, Like you don't need that much background.
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  Speaker 2: But it's so rare for writers to be able to
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  Speaker 2: do that. It's so hard that in most shows you
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  Speaker 2: need more of an establishing season.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and the actors have to be able to pull
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  Speaker 1: that off too, uh, to really get the point across that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we only see her on holidays. Yeah, you know this
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  Speaker 1: kind of that distant way that they that ed and
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  Speaker 1: Kelly acted that help set that scene. So if you
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  Speaker 1: have actors that aren't as good at doing that, then
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  Speaker 1: you do need more writing to to get that point across.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: One thing, I thought, there's a parallel with the show.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if you noticed this or not,
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  Speaker 1: but I swear that Amy Amy must have heard this
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  Speaker 1: story from Kelly and then put it in the show.
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  Speaker 1: But there was the one guy that she was dating.
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  Speaker 1: I forget which one it was. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: Kevin the Gambler. No it was. It wasn't the one
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  Speaker 1: she was married to. Somebody she was. But he asked
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  Speaker 1: he asked her if he should renew his lease, and
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  Speaker 1: that was his way of saying that he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: move in with her. Yes, yes, which is exactly what
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  Speaker 1: happened between Jackson and Sukie in the in season Like
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  Speaker 1: whatever that was.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god, I did not even went right over.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, this is Jackson and Sukie
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  Speaker 1: like she must have told it. She must have.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they because that was God, what season was that.
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  Speaker 2: That was a couple of seasons in right, it.
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  Speaker 1: Was I think it was season two. I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: remember when they it was the bit of Basket episode.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say that was season two.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially I'm sure by that season, like maybe she
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  Speaker 2: probably went to lunches and chatted and learned about each other.
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  Speaker 2: But I just I.
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  Speaker 1: Loved that parallel because I was like, ah, this is
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  Speaker 1: ringing a bell.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: And if it's just a coincidence, let's pretend that Amy
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: was that smart and did it. But that's really funny.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't notice.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I was. I was really interested in her first marriage
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, it's so funny the way she was
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: talking about it the whole time. She's like, yeah, I
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: know it was a mistake, but I did it anyway,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know that it was really that was
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: just how society was then. Like she was in her
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: mid twenties and didn't have a husband yet, so therefore
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: there was a problem and she needed to find someone quick,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: and that's just you know, that's just how it was
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: in the late sixties and early seventies.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: What's so crazy is when she was telling these stories about,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: you know, being on Broadway and this and that, like
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: it just blew my mind and I had to keep
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: reminding myself like this was the sixties, Like this was
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: not you know, Like I go to a Broadway show
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: now and I see these amazing actors and I think
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: about it, and I'm like, man, Kelly Bishop did this
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: like way back when.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And I remember. So I was a kid in the
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: seventies and I remember when Chorusline came to LA. I
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: remember the TV commercials for it because I always watched
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: cartoons in the morning while I was eating my breakfast,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: and there were just TV commercials constantly for it, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting. So I already I always
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: knew about chorus Line. I did not realize, you know.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: The book kind of starts out talking about these sessions
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: that they had where they all the dancers would get
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: together and just kind of pour out their whole experiences
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: onto these and it was all recorded, and that those
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: tapes are what became chorus Line. And so Sheila's story
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: in chorus Line is really Kelly Bishop's story. Yeah, so
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: even in like other productions of chorus Line with other actresses,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: they were still telling Kelly's story story. It was like
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the character of Sheila, which that was like whoa, it
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: was like all trippy.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I saw Chorusline for the first time, I think it
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: was it was right before the I think it was
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: like twenty eighteen. They came and did it at the
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Hollywood Bowl with a bunch of like there was a
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: bunch of like celebrity actors and yeah and stars, and
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: so I knew chorus line, like I knew like the
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: gist of it, but I didn't know anything about it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: And I honestly did not know that Kelly Bishop was originally.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't know she was in the original chorus line.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: So I learned about that through the book. I was like,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: oh she was like I mean, like you said, it's about.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Her, Yeah, it's literally hers.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: So that was cool to learn because you know, a
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: lot of times you hear actors like, oh, they played
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: so and so in this Broadway s you just assume
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: that they played it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: It's not like you think of like, oh, no, Adina Menzel.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Was Alphaba like she yeah, the original Like when you
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: think back, you're like, whoa, so, yeah, it's she's done
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: so much.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh cool, Yeah it's It's a great book. I
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: would highly recommend it to anyone, even if you don't
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: know that much about her. It just was a great read.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: It just was very interesting, easy read. It's very easy
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: to read. It went fast, and all of a sudden,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I'm at the end already out Yeah,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I know. Other thing I liked, I want to just
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: throw this out before we wrap up was she says
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: that she watched the entire show. She watched every episode,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: whether she was in it or not. She calls herself
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest fans of the show, which I
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: love because sometimes it's hard to watch herself. But even
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: on the podcast, like I don't always listen to our
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: episodes because yeah, I don't like hearing myself and so
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of actors don't like to watch themselves. And
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I love that she which the entire show and yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: like right along with everybody else, so I well.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: And also she was saying, like I think when she
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: was talking about getting signed to season two, I think
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: season one out of the twenty two they did, like,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: was it like fifteen.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Or something like that fifteen.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's interesting that you know, she's not
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: in like let's say seven or eight of them, but
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: she still followed the story like and you know, if
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: you think about it, that's actually really smart for an
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: actor because you're not then questioning the storylines of what's
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: happening in an episode you're not in. But you know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I think about it with shows like, you know, some
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: of the other shows that we work on our podcast
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: team are from the nineties, and you couldn't really like
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: there was nowhere to like record or watch back at
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: least by like two thousand. I know, I had like
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: a VAHS I could record, you know what I mean,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: But like back then, like you couldn't.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: So it was a time.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Where she could watch and maybe record it somehow and
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: get it. And but yeah, I love that you watched it,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: and I love that, Like she's just they're like she'd
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, you know me from Gilmore Girls.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Like by the way, I could not imagine when she
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: said she goes to the grocery store.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: In a hat and like sweats.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, I could not imagine Kelly Bishop and
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: like a baseball cap.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know, I know.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the end of the series where she's.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Like, I was like, that's the visual I want.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: But like, if you think about it, like if I
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: were in the grocery store and I hear Kelly Bishop
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: talking down the aisle, I would do a double take because, like,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: you know that voice from miles away.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Right, it would be unmistakable. Yeah, And it's.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Funny that's when we had. Honestly, a couple of the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: actors that we've been talking to they say the same thing,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: like they'll they'll speak and they'll someone will be like,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: oh my god, you're so and so from Gilmore Girls,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: And it's just like, I think that's why we love
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the show so much. It's like that that background noise
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's like your comfort. Yeah, and so those voices
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: are so familiar to you growing up or just rewatching it,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: it's like a it's a comfort. So yeah, if I
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: heard that voice on it down the cereal aisle, I'd freak.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Out for sure.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But no, it was a great book.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And now I like how at the end of the
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: memoir she said the end but or whatever, She's like,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: maybe not like there may be another one. Yeah, maybe
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: a continuations because I feel like there's still like we
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: learned so much about her and about her childhood, her family,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: her parents, her marriages, but like I'm sure there's more
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: that we don't know.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean she's had such a rich life.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: There's got to be more stories in there that we
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: could get out. Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did love the one part I just said,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: one last touch, the part when she went on a
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: trip to where did she go to in Europe?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, Salzburg, Salzburg.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when she went on a trip, I like like
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: that little touch of you know, like in your in
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: your seventies, like you're going on this trip and living
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: your best life. And it's actually my grandma's in her seventies, widowed,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: and uh, she's been traveling the world like literally just
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: like with she found a couple of friends who like
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: love to travel as well, and they go in like
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: tour groups, and she I mean, she's not like a
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: nomad going around, but like she like went to Europe
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: for like three weeks. She went like Italy and Germany
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and like came back with like gifts for me, and
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: then she went to like Puerto Rico for the first time.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Because she's never been for like a weekend and then yea,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: So it was just really it reminded me of like
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: my like my grandma didn't get to do those things
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: as a kid, So why not do it?
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Well you can, you know, yeah, live your best life.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're once you retire, Like that's the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: whole point. Ye, go out there and do the things
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you've been putting off for a long time.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: But I mean, Kelly said she still wants to be working,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: so I'm sure we'll we'll see way.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: More of her, I hope.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: So absolutely, all right, Well now I feel like we
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: need to do more book clubs. Actually it gets me
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to read because I like I always every year, speaking
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: of I know it's the end of the year in
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: New Year's resolutions, my resolution is always to read books,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: and I always do you have a Good Read's account Susanne,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I don't even know.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I think I'm an account, but.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I don't use it, so good Reads I like track
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: what books I read and what I want to read.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: So it's kind of like instead of using my notes app,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I organize it. But every year you can send a
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: set a goal of like I want to read ten
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: books this year. Yeah, I have never hit my goal.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: My goal is always ten.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: For some reason, I got real excited and made it
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: fifteen this.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Year and I read six books. But you know what,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I still read six books, so it's okay. And Kelly's
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: book was my sixth. I might try to squeeze in
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: one more if I can't, yeah, because I will be
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: home for New Year's evel on the couch. But but yeah,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: maybe we should do more because I could read.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: So maybe everyone listening, if you have a suggestion, let
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: us know.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I read Lauren's first book a long time ago, but
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I know she has a second one that just came in.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: She I think she has four total.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: She has oh my gosh, the much one that I read.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: She had, well, she has a novel. She's got fiction
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that the fiction one that she wrote. I read that,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and then she has the Talking as Fast as I Can.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: And then that's the one I read Talking as fast
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: as I Can.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: That's the one where she kind of goes through her
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: experience with the revival. And then she just did her book.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: To or for Have I told you this already?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you? And then she also had the the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: small one that she turned into a book. It was
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a It was a graduation speech that she gave at
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: her high school. She was asked back to her high
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: school to do the commencement address, and then she turned
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that speech into a book.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: But it's just it called in conclusion, don't worry about it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's the one. Yeah. So I've read them all.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: They're great, they're all.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: My gosh, I'm going to add these to my good Reads.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: It's all very diverse, but it's all good. Yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Well, if you guys like this episode, let us know
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: what books. Maybe there's something that we don't even know
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: about connected to get more that we should be reading.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: All right, Well, happy New Year, Susanne, Happy holidays, Thank
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: you you too, thank you, and we'll be back with
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: more of our recap of well, Scott's going to recap.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: And then we kind of give you our little town
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: meeting every week, so they'll be back in the.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: New year meeting adjourned.
• 28:01
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• 28:04
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• 28:08
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