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Week Three · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Music. Welcome back to the Boundary
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  Corner podcast, along with my partners, Brian Siegler,
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  Jonathan Talley, our contributing writer Miranda
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  Wilhelm, Ian Curtis Wilson. Jonathan Talley is unfortunately
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  been ruled out for tonight. He's a little bit under the
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  weather, so he will not be joining us.
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  Tally, get better, man. You know, we miss you here, but
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  pharmacy set three O 1 S Main St. in Blacksburg.
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  Drawing was delayed on the PS5. It should be taking play this
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  week. Jeremy let me know.
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  Just a ton of transfers and stuff happening probably with
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  the stuff going on with the pharmacy with the name change.
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  So if your student family member register for that, don't worry,
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  it's coming. Again, let me know if y'all need
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  to send it to Curtis. I've got his address, I can get
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  you hooked up. He's good for it.
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  I'm good for it. Yeah, I'm really good for it.
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  Well, let's start here tonight. We have for the first time, join
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  us and she will be joining us off and on through the season
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  and in the offseason. Miranda, how are you tonight?
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  I'm so good. Thanks for having me in general
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  and tonight Crash in the boys party Crash.
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  In the boys party, yes you are. Hey, we got to pump it up a
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  little bit, right? Miranda, you're going to hang
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  out with us while we do tell the truth Tuesday.
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  You've obviously got to jump off and take care of some things
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  after that, but let's get to know you a little bit.
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  So first of all, you are Tech alum, correct?
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  Yes. What year did you graduate?
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  2008. Oh wow, y'all remember those
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  years? It was so, so many good years.
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  I was there just. What?
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  What? What years?
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  Where are you? Living the dream there.
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  O4 to O8. So like.
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  First year the ACC Brian rant. I mean, it was a dream.
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  Oh God O 4 Brian. That O four team gives me
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  chills. Memories.
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  Oh gosh. Yeah, oh man, I love that O Four
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  team. Man, I love that O Four team so
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  much so. OK, well, hold on.
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  So we're going to get to know a few other things about you.
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  So O4 to O8, who's your favorite hokey?
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  Because that's a tough one. I mean there are some absolute
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  studs during that period. Like football hokey in that time
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  period in. That time period.
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  I the only reason I'm going to say Ryan Randall is because in
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  like, whatever, I forgot what year it was.
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  I tweeted him because I saw him driving down in North Carolina
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  and he like tweeted me back and I thought that was super like
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  cool because I was like, he doesn't need to tweet some
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  random chick. So, and he like ushered me into
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  hokey football experiences. So he just kind of set the tone.
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  He was such a class act and yeah.
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  All right, Brian Rail, that makes sense here.
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  Now go back in the memory bank. First of all, what was like
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  what? What was your first game?
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  1st. Or pre student.
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  First year or very first game at Lane was Western Michigan.
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  We walloped them and I was like, man, I chose a good school like
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  and I chose them for football. That I was oddly enough between
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  JMU and Virginia Tech and I was like, I'm going with the
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  football school. Little did I know like years
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  down the road we lose to JMU, but whatever.
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  I think we beat them by like 60 some points if I'm not mistaken.
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  That game I. Feel like that was right because
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  I think that was after the USC game.
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  Yes. It was after the USC.
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  Game. I moved into my dorm the day we
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  played USC and watched that, yeah, we lost to them.
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  And then we came out swinging at home against, you know.
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  I I still the USC game that OPI that was not is still to this
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  day. Oh, it's it's the what if OPI
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  this day I was hammered in my apartment in Longwood.
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  Yeah, throwing things when they call that penalty.
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  Hey, while, while we're, while we're here, let's we're at a
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  decent little pivot point here. Let's go ahead and shout out
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  Ethan, Ethan, Ethan tweeted at us today.
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  He said he was going to be here. He's here.
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  Welcome aboard, also as always. Lavar love you Lavar.
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  Who else is always in the house? We we can't forget Kevin drones.
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  Can never get Kevin drones. Kevin Kevin.
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  Oh man. And a lot of other good stuff
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  going on here. We got Thomas in the house.
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  Tib Tib and senior year was the O4 with #3 being alive and this
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  is. So great.
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  We were right in the midst of our college career at that
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  point. So that was, that was a good
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  year. But actually I, I'm, I'm sure
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  I've told this story, I don't know if I've told this tomorrow,
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  but Brian's brother Brandon was my RA at Hammond Sydney.
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  So it was that was that was always a pretty fun interaction
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  there anytime Brian would make the trip down to Hammond.
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  Sydney, that's so cool. Wow.
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  Very cool, very cool. Miranda, before we get into, you
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  know, tell the truth Wednesday, you do some other ventures out
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  there and I definitely won't. You've obviously got your
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  Twitter handle up there, which all of you guys and girls who
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  are out there tonight following and watching us follow her on
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  Twitter. So she's we are we are pushing
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  to try to get her into the press conferences.
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  We've been working on that. Hopefully soon she'll be there,
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  maybe asking some questions, but you do some other stuff
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  obviously related to football. So go ahead, pump that out of
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  what you do where they can find your writing when it comes to
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  the NFL stuff. Yeah, so I've been contributing
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  to a site called Draft Countdown for this is my third season,
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  just a weekly content, sometimes a little bit more.
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  The whole site is kind of centered around the draft, but
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  they wanted somebody to, they wanted a psycho fanatic like me
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  to come on board and kind of bridge the gap because all they
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  centered everything on was like prospecting and all rookie
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  stuff. And they were like, you know
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  what, let's kind of bring it all together.
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  And you know, even before I got into college and college
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  football, like NF LS kind of been my bread and butter.
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  So that's yeah, you can find my stuff at Draft Countdown every
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  Sunday usually. And and then the draft.
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  Draft season is pretty crazy. You got to you got to rip your
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  team and let us know how your quarterback's doing.
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  Oh yeah, what's? What's the issue on the?
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  Yeah, he was not practicing today, which is not surprising,
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  but the coach is doing the thing.
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  Lafleur is like, you know, there's he's not, he's not ruled
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  out for set for Sunday. And I'm like.
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  Yes, he is. Like don't.
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  Play him. On an injured MCL, that's.
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  Yeah, they threw the doubtful label on him in the in the
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  fantasy apps. I'm like, he's not fucking
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  playing. Just go and put that he's.
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  Going to play until October. Let's just put that that's.
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  What I'm thinking, yeah, yeah, Week four against the Vikings,
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  that sounds reasonable. So anyways, that was kind of a
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  blow. Week 1, you know, looked forward
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  to football for so many months, then I was like, well, could
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  have been worse so. I I have him in both of my
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  fantasy leagues and thankfully I've got a decent backup in both
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  of us. I've got two in one league.
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  And I've. Got Baker in another so if Baker
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  keeps up his week 1 performance I think I'll be OK.
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  Baker looked good, granted it was the commanders so I don't.
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  Know it was. It was.
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  It was the commanders. That is true all right, well,
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  now let's get to it y'all, because we do have to tell the
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  truth tonight about what happened in the Hokies.
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  I mean let's just say it 3114. When is a winning week versus
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  the Marshall thundering heard? So let's start with what went
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  well, and I'm going to start this because a lot of people
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  were hub dropping and pissed off.
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  We will be almost 17 if y'all remember what happened last year
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  when we played them. Everybody go back in your memory
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  banks, go on the line and find we did not beat this team last
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  year. We did not beat this team last
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  year. So get your heads out of your
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  asses about a 17 point win. We lost to this team last year
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  and to get a three score win, was it the prettiest 3 score
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  win? No, it was not.
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  That's an improvement. If you lose to him last year and
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  you beat him the next year, it's an improvement.
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  I am very sorry. I'm a little bit.
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  I, I see that buddy, you're fired up.
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  And when we look at, when you look at the way the game went,
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  it was kind of a mirror of last year's game where we came out
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  firing. We were running the ball well to
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  start the game and then went away from it and the offense
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  fizzled. And then we never really got our
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  footing back. And we kind of played a reverse
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  of that, right? We kind of came out a little
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  uneven, but I will say we didn't get a lot of points of it.
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  But in the first half, the ball was moving.
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  We just couldn't put drives together.
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  It wasn't like Vanderbilt, where at Vanderbilt it felt like we
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  never got anything going that entire first half.
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  Offensively, the ball was moving.
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  We just weren't able to put those drives together.
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  We weren't able to put three successful plays together often
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  enough in that first half to really put points on the board.
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  And then things kind of flipped again like Curtis alluded to in
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  the second-half. And you know, we're out there.
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  You know, if if we play in the second-half, if we play every
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  quarter like we play in the second-half, I think we'll we'll
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  be a pretty damn good team. But we just haven't put four
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  quarters together yet. Sean, what do you think about
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  that man? I mean.
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  Tell us your halves right? Like first half you look like,
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  you know, you can't, you can't run the ball at all and you're
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  in a dogfight with a team. You should be, you know, kind of
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  running over. And then, you know, second-half
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  they start, they start pounding the ball and kind of
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  breakthrough there. So I'm kind of I'm kind of half
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  and half with Curtis. Like, yes, I I think you should
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  always, you know, a three score win.
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  You should, you know, never take winning for granted.
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  They got the job done. You know, they look mostly
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  pretty competent, especially on defence.
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  At the same time, there was, you know, there was room for
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  improvement. Some things could have done
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  better. You know, I think I think this
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  upcoming week will be a pretty good, pretty good test to see
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  how they can handle a, you know, opponent that they should they
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  should take care of business of. But yeah, I mean, you know, you
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  don't it's a 3 score win. So you don't want to be too mad,
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  but at the same time, kind of, you know, focus on on things
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  that can can go better. I'm sure we'll talk about that
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  tonight. Absolutely, Miranda.
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  Anything on just the win in general?
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  Well, kind of like what Shelton just said.
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  Like tale of two halves, obviously, yes, that's exactly
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  how it went down. And I almost kind of attribute
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  both to coaching to some degree. They came out sluggish to me.
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  There's a little coaching in there.
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  You're not setting your players up for success, you know, coming
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  out the gates, but they're able to come out the half very
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  adjusted and established the run and just look like a whole new
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  team. So you got to give them credit
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  there for do what they needed to do at the half.
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  And so it's a little bit of a weird day, but like you said, a
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  wins a win. When's a win?
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  And you're right, it is a little bit on coaching of because now
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  we're seeing this whole this whole we are a slow team out the
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  gate. When this thing got rolling last
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  year, with the exception of playing three of the best teams
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  in league, the other games it was hot out of the gate, super
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  hot out of the gate. And we only had really 4
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  second-half possessions. We score on three of them.
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  But to everybody, to your point, Miranda, they the adjustments in
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  on halftime are working now. Shelton, Brian, I'll throw it to
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  y'all. What are y'all or actually all
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  three of y'all? What are we seeing?
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  What? What is coming out of the half?
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  Because it's clearly something. Is it just somebody hidden them,
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  you know, over the shoulder with a whistle?
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  Like get your head in gear, go play.
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  I'm just not convinced that this staff is doing a great job of
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  making adjustments on the fly. I think they need to see it,
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  look at it, take some time to to calculate and then they come
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  back out and they look different.
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  So that's when you have games like like last year, I think
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  with with ACC opponents, the things we saw with ACC
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  opponents, especially common opponents that we play every
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  year that we've got a decent amount of tape on.
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  We looked very prepared to start the game.
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  You you think Pitt, you think EBA, you think Wake, you think
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  Boston BC. Yeah, so game, you know, we've
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  got a lot of tape on those teams, even with some of the
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  tweaks they have. We we kind of know what to
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  expect there. I think, you know, we're
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  probably a little lucky in that a lot of the opponents we're
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  getting out of conference this year are common from last year.
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  I mean, you, you get ODU, you, you know, you get, you get
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  Marshall, you got Rutgers coming up.
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  So Vanderbilt was really the only wild card there.
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  So maybe that bodes well long term.
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  And I think when we looked at Week 1, looking at the offense,
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  we didn't throw the ball well. We came out throwing the ball
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  out the gate, but what we didn't do a good job was protecting.
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  I think they were playing a lot of for shell, playing a lot of
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  zone making Kyron hit a lot of tight windows there.
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  So, you know, I think they had a good game plan to kind of slow
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  us down out the gate. And I think it until we got
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  really leaning on that rushing attack, we weren't really able
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  to get those sustained drives in the first half and that was a
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  big factor. Yeah, I think, I think often
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  times in in sports discussions, there's a tendency to conflate
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  poor effort. I have no doubt in my mind that
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  the guys in this team, you know, came out ready to play.
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  They want to win, they want to execute.
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  But sometimes you just don't. And it's it just boils down to
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  lack of execution and and, you know, a delay in in the coaching
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  adjustments necessary. I agree with Brian.
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  I think for whatever reason, the staff seems a little bit slow to
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  make those adjustments. I don't know why that is.
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  But you look at the first half, you know, Marshall played a lot
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  of cover three. They dropped guys in zone.
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  They forced Tyron Jones to to read the field.
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  You know, I thought sometimes it was a case of poor communication
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  on the protections. Now maybe that's an issue with
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  Braylon Moore in the offensive line being being kind of
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  sometimes the guys weren't getting open and sometimes it's
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  just a numbers game. Marshall's dropping too many
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  guys that we didn't have anyone open, you know, in the 1st place
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  and they, they couldn't get a really good push off the ball
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  trying to run the ball. So it was a combination of
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  factors. You know, I think, I think
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  there's a lot of a lot of blame to go around, you know, and, and
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  certainly drones has to, you know, keep keep progressing.
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  But yeah, I just, it just seems like the, the staff, you know,
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  really excels at halftime when they can look over the iPad and,
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  you know, they got 10 minutes to go over all their notes and, and
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  just, you know, talk about everything collectively.
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  But for some reason, when, when it's kind of on the fly, when
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  they're, you know, in the midst of the heat of battle, they,
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  they, they just aren't seeing those those adjustments.
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  So whatever those are, I mean, we'll see if they can if they
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  can get better at that. But I think I don't think it's a
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  question of the players wanting to come on me, you know, play
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  hard. I know they want to play hard.
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  It's just they're they're not set up in the right position and
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  right away. And it's just taking time for
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  the coaching staff to put them in those in those positions to
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  be successful. You got anything on this,
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  Miranda? No, I 100% agree and just goes
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  back to like, I, I don't know if I said this here, I said it to
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  Brian before the show, but like, you know, he mentioned, yes, we
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  were, we were doing things with the ball in the first half,
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  right. The blame goes around a little
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  bit. You know, you come out a certain
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  way, that's fine. Offensive line was a little
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  shaky. We went one and nine on 3rd down
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  in the first half. That's not good, but again,
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  that's doesn't fall on one person, right?
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  And we didn't make those adjustments that we needed to.
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  So we didn't score a lot of points.
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  Luckily, our special teams and defense was.
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  Present. Absolutely.
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  That was. Shout out to the defense and
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  definitely shout out to the special teams with Jay Lane
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  because even though I'm I've got that in another category for
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  another reason in a little while, Jay Lane that that was an
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  amazing run back there. Was, Oh yeah, doubt about.
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  That it. It was, it was set up well, but
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  that was just like an immense individual effort by him getting
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  in the end zone there. So one of the better run backs
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  that that I've seen on a punt. So, and, and really something
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  that kind of got us out of our, you know, I, I think a lot of
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  times there, there's some mental aspects there, right?
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  Because you come out, you don't have a good first half against
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  Vanderbilt, you come out, you're, you're, you're getting
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  some yards, but you're not able to put drives together.
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  You're not able to put points on the board.
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  That starts to play with your mentals a little bit.
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  So kind of getting that first half touchdown off your
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  shoulders a little bit. That was so huge.
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  I think for their, their confidence going into the rest
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  of the game. And I think it really kind of
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  showed you get that monkey off their back a little bit.
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  Yeah. All right.
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  Well, let's talk about these three guys next, because when
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  the second-half happened, when we started running the ball, it
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  became super effective regardless who was in the
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  backfield between Tugboat Tooting.
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  Yeah, I said tugboat. If y'all didn't see the chain,
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  go check that out. That's all time chain, all time
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  chain. And then Malachi Thomas with
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  some good runs, PJ Prelude also with some good runs.
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  All four guys average in their carries over 4 1/2.
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  A carry with Bashel and Malachi over 5 1/2.
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  So, Sheldon, what's the numbers on these guys?
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  PFF grades for the game? Because clearly, you know those
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  three guys. 193 combined rush yards.
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  Yeah, well, Malachi Thomas only got 10 snaps, but he was really
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  well graded, 77 per PFF. And then Tooten, you mentioned
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  113 yards on 22 carries. He was around 65, which is kind
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  of right, right around average, but you know, did well
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  statistically. And what he did really well was
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  was for seven missed tackles. So he's now up to 10 missed
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  tackles for us on the season, which is top 25 in FBS, kind of
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  similar short as last year. Just his ability to, you know,
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  to to break away from. From defenders, you know, not I
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  mean, if you if you leave the country in that stat, it's it's
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  kind of like, you know, your your online should be doing a
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  little bit better. But you know, we we kind of know
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  that we know that we know that he's got that in him.
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  So not going to knock knock him for that, but it's still still a
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  pretty impressive accomplishment.
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  So, and, and Curtis, we were talking about this earlier in
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  the week, but looking at the team stats for Vt rushing wise,
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  64% of the yards were after contact.
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  And I mentioned that's that to you.
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  Vt of the season ranks 99th in yards before contact per rush.
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  So overall, they're not doing a great job of, you know, getting
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  getting running back to that second level before they get
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  touched. And so that's why we see tune
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  having to keep, you know, breaking, having to keep, you
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  know, getting getting missed tackles for us.
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  So, yeah, I mean, I, I think you've got a, a situation where
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  the O line is, you know, a little bit underperforming a
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  little bit and you're kind of have to, you know, rely on the
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  on the running backs to make plays happen.
• 21:00
  And they certainly did that on Saturday.
• 21:02
  Yeah, Miranda, let me get your take.
• 21:03
  Because when we come out half it's it's 10 seven.
• 21:05
  It's it's not the best feel in the world.
• 21:08
  It's like it's a 3 point game when you saw that opening drive,
• 21:12
  boom and then boom. And then what was your thoughts
• 21:17
  on that? Like sitting there, I'm sure you
• 21:19
  were drinking a cold one or a cocktail and you just saw this
• 21:23
  and it just we the ball just kept moving.
• 21:25
  Well, it's like what I know you especially preached.
• 21:29
  We did what we needed to do and we're like, hello, look, it's
• 21:35
  it's working more of that. And I don't care who gets the
• 21:39
  ball if we're confusing them that way, do that.
• 21:44
  I mean, obviously Basil is the guy, but everyone's been
• 21:49
  serviceable. So I love it.
• 21:54
  I'd love, I'd love to see more of it.
• 21:58
  Yeah, I think that's the big thing is that we we've, we've
• 22:01
  seen that the the running game can be consistent, right?
• 22:04
  And we saw some things, yeah, we started to see some bread and
• 22:09
  butter, a little bit of identity in the in the second-half there
• 22:12
  outside outside zone was looking pretty good, pretty consistent.
• 22:16
  A lot of split zone counter was hitting pretty well.
• 22:20
  So we were, we were kind of getting into those bread and
• 22:22
  butter plays. The only thing that we haven't
• 22:24
  got into, and I know Sheldon's talked about it as well as, you
• 22:28
  know, that toss we still haven't quite gotten.
• 22:30
  The. Seal on that.
• 22:31
  The, the seal is not there. And the couple times I mean,
• 22:36
  it's just our tight ends not getting out there to, to kind of
• 22:39
  wall that, that outside linebacker or that safety to,
• 22:44
  to, to open up that lane. But if if we get that working, I
• 22:49
  think we might be on to something.
• 22:50
  OK, they need to go watch. That gives us a little bit of
• 22:52
  variety with how we can attack in the in the rushing game.
• 22:55
  They need to go watch the 49ers and how we did that with Jordan
• 22:58
  Mason on Monday night on the short side of the field with
• 23:01
  those tosses. I mean it, yeah.
• 23:02
  Everyone can learn from. Shannon Perfect Lane I.
• 23:05
  Mean. Yeah, seriously.
• 23:06
  Like when you see that, though, because I think to Sheldon's
• 23:09
  point, we saw that last year, We saw that little pitch toss work
• 23:12
  last year to the outside. And again, what does that do?
• 23:17
  That puts linebackers on skates Because now if they see
• 23:20
  something like that, their first intuition is to take the outside
• 23:23
  step. And if you do that fake and then
• 23:26
  you go inside zone, it's like, well, they're dead.
• 23:29
  They're going to be on skates. You're going to be out of
• 23:30
  position. All right, couple more things.
• 23:33
  I want to go to defense because we we got we got to keep the
• 23:36
  best one for last. What a bounce back from
• 23:39
  Minnesota lane. I mean, he got torched by Vandy
• 23:45
  and this week Shelton. I didn't know, were you able to
• 23:47
  get the PFF stats on him? So I don't have the actual
• 23:51
  grade, but I can tell you his coverage when when targeted.
• 23:55
  So Marshall went after him eight times.
• 23:58
  They were one for 8 for 25 yards in interception and two pass
• 24:03
  pass breakups. So he was.
• 24:04
  And. The and the one catch was the
• 24:07
  Moss play that probably was a offensive pass.
• 24:11
  Pass. But still a hell of a catch.
• 24:15
  I know I saw. When I saw that, I I told my
• 24:18
  friends that was the greatest catch I've ever seen live, like
• 24:20
  ever. That's right, I don't know how.
• 24:22
  That yes, I was like, I was right.
• 24:25
  I was near the plate too. Like that.
• 24:26
  That was just insane. That's so cool.
• 24:30
  So, so like, like now we, we, we, we go to Week 1 and it's
• 24:35
  like we're specting the duo Dorian Balls.
• 24:39
  Mansour gets torched. I mean, Brian, did you get, I
• 24:43
  don't know if y'all got to watch the tape or anything like that.
• 24:45
  I mean, was it just, and don't get me wrong, Christian
• 24:48
  Fitzpatrick and their other guy, they're not small human beings.
• 24:52
  They're not. I think Fitzpatrick who mossed
• 24:54
  in his 64 like 220. He's a massive human being to be
• 24:59
  a wide out. But did it did like was it just
• 25:03
  technique? What did y'all see or read or
• 25:07
  whatever and say? How did he have such a good
• 25:10
  bounce back game? Comfort and confidence.
• 25:12
  I mean, he looked a lot more fluid and in his movements and
• 25:17
  he looked like he knew kind of where things were going.
• 25:20
  I don't know if the the preparation was different this
• 25:23
  week. I'm not sure what what exactly
• 25:25
  flip switch from a confidence standpoint, but completely
• 25:29
  different player this week and, and played with a lot of swagger
• 25:33
  that we're kind of accustomed to.
• 25:35
  So it was good to see him kind of get back into that, that vein
• 25:38
  and and play with that confidence because, you know,
• 25:41
  playing playing corner, you got to be confident.
• 25:43
  If you're not confident playing corner, you're a liability. 100%
• 25:50
  All right, one other defenses stat I want to go to real here
• 25:55
  and y'all may have looked it up. Do y'all know how many past
• 25:58
  deflections we had against Vanderbilt?
• 26:00
  It wasn't many. Less No 2, they counted yeah, 22
• 26:10
  pass deflections, 2 pass deflections.
• 26:13
  They went 600% better this week. We had 12 pass deflections, most
• 26:18
  Phillips, Kalai Lawson, Kalai Kalai Lawson led the way with
• 26:22
  three, most with two, Jalen Jones with two, Mansour with
• 26:26
  two, Dante Lovett with two, Caleb Spencer with two.
• 26:30
  So that makes me feel a lot better because it tells me we
• 26:35
  were in the right position so many more times this week.
• 26:39
  Obviously the the man sore in most the interception combo was
• 26:43
  perfect because they were exactly where they were supposed
• 26:46
  to be. They're exactly where they're
• 26:48
  supposed to be. Somebody said, well, man sore
• 26:49
  looked out of place. You look where most was.
• 26:51
  No, that was a zone concept. Clearly where they were because
• 26:55
  why is most going to be underneath?
• 26:56
  Why is he going to be coming over top?
• 26:58
  Probably a cover 2 concept of some type, but it was perfect.
• 27:01
  So going forward, do we hope to see this more or how can we see
• 27:08
  this? Why such a flip in y'all's
• 27:10
  opinions? I think that, you know, just
• 27:16
  looking at the way that that they were attacking us, I think
• 27:19
  we looked a lot more prepared on defense for the offense that
• 27:23
  came out and, and what we were expecting as far as how they
• 27:27
  were going to attack our defense.
• 27:29
  We we got kind of what we expected.
• 27:32
  I think for I'm not sure what was going on with the defense
• 27:35
  against Vanderbilt, whether it was, you know, rotations not
• 27:40
  being what they wanted to be, whether it was just not truly
• 27:44
  being prepared scheme wise to approach that shotgun triple
• 27:50
  option look. But we did not look like a
• 27:53
  prepared defense. We looked a lot more prepared
• 27:55
  this week. We we looked like we were, we
• 27:57
  knew what was coming at us and we knew how to adjust to that.
• 28:01
  So that's the big difference for me.
• 28:04
  And I think when you have that, when you have a offense that you
• 28:10
  can actually pin your ears back a little bit more and go after
• 28:14
  that lets you play more man, you can mix up your man a lot more.
• 28:19
  And, and I think that's where our bread and butter is, is when
• 28:21
  we can go after the pass or play a lot more man, We, we look a
• 28:25
  lot better as a defense. Yeah, I mean, they definitely,
• 28:29
  they definitely seem more confident and, you know,
• 28:31
  obviously Marshall runs the air raid.
• 28:33
  So, you know, expect him to throw a lot more.
• 28:35
  But I just thought they're more aggressive, more confident.
• 28:37
  And you know, with with Elaine, honestly, I was, I was never
• 28:40
  worried about Monsoor for a second.
• 28:42
  Like, you know, he he he had two years of a really good body of
• 28:45
  work, played one board game. You know, he's been a he's been
• 28:47
  a baller since day one. So you kind of figure out he's
• 28:50
  going to have a have a bounce back and credits to credits to
• 28:53
  PB on on Hokie Twitter for this stat.
• 28:55
  So the 9, the 9 PB us for the Hokies were the most since 2016.
• 29:03
  That was Fuente's first season against Miami, so pretty, pretty
• 29:07
  impressive. Pretty impressive streak there.
• 29:11
  All right, Miranda, you got anything on this, Anything on
• 29:14
  the past breaks UPS, anything you saw while watching the game
• 29:16
  Saturday? Say I'm just echo everything and
• 29:20
  to me it just you come out with swagger, you know, turn around
• 29:25
  game after. And like Brian said, maybe it's
• 29:29
  a matter of just true. You have the tape.
• 29:32
  You played this team last year, you were just more prepared to
• 29:36
  be in the right place at the right time and it wasn't.
• 29:39
  You didn't have to make those on the fly adjustments, but
• 29:44
  whatever it was, it worked. So more of that.
• 29:49
  All right, I'm going. I'm going to answer this
• 29:50
  question real quick here. They had 20 more passing
• 29:54
  attempts. Robbie been the only passing
• 29:57
  ball 16 times. Marshall went 436.
• 30:00
  So obviously more opportunities, but seriously 16 to 3036 is not
• 30:08
  a six 100% gain on that so. Don't fucking remind me.
• 30:11
  Yes, all. Right.
• 30:15
  Let me go real quick, last one, and we'll pitch it to Miranda.
• 30:21
  Give me your exact feelings on the Steven Gosnell catch.
• 30:26
  Oh my gosh, I I was drinking a lot of beers and I, I think I
• 30:36
  was sitting down and I like slammed my beard down and just
• 30:39
  went insane. And my parents, I think my dad
• 30:42
  was like outside grilling or something and he like runs his
• 30:45
  eyes like what happened? And I was like, we have to
• 30:48
  rewind this. And then of course that
• 30:51
  pictures. It should be in the Louvre.
• 30:54
  I mean, it's beautiful. It was insane.
• 30:57
  It was so freaking clutch. He, he had to work so hard for
• 31:03
  that. Like, that's not a given catch
• 31:05
  to anybody. It's, it was lovely.
• 31:09
  Dare I say, what a guy. Cole Esque.
• 31:12
  Danny. Cole Esque.
• 31:14
  Dare I say oh. Me Shelton, he's a dog man.
• 31:21
  Where where were you? Where were you in relation to
• 31:23
  where that was? Because the.
• 31:24
  So I actually, I actually, yes, I was on the closer to the, to
• 31:29
  the north side, closer to the student section, about 5 hours
• 31:32
  or so actually. I could not see Steven when he
• 31:35
  landed on the ground. So I was kind of waiting on the
• 31:36
  reaction from everyone else. I saw him, I saw him die for it,
• 31:40
  but didn't see him at the catch. But yeah, he's, I mean, we got,
• 31:43
  we got to find a way to get him get more targets, man.
• 31:46
  He's just, he's a, he's a dog. Yeah, we, we've got, we've got a
• 31:49
  very good problem right now, which is how to feed all of
• 31:52
  these dogs on our unit. Because we, we have a bunch of
• 31:56
  them and we got a a handful of them waiting in the wings too.
• 31:59
  So we got plenty of mouths to feed.
• 32:01
  So it's a very good problem to have.
• 32:03
  I'd like to see us do a little bit more of it, especially if we
• 32:05
  can get the running game going early to set them up for some
• 32:07
  big plays later in the game. So 100%, by the way, Steven
• 32:11
  Gosnell leading the team and receiving yards right now at
• 32:15
  126. Who had that on their bingo card
• 32:18
  after week two? I mean, I I love the guy with I
• 32:21
  don't think any of us had that on their on.
• 32:23
  Our bingo card. Nope, not at all.
• 32:25
  Maybe I would have had them on my bingo card for converting
• 32:27
  third downs because that's what he does all the time.
• 32:31
  All righty, let's go with it. We went well, some a lot of more
• 32:35
  good things this week, but let's go with what went bad.
• 32:39
  And I think we're all there and we, we kind of hit it a little
• 32:42
  bit already and it's just another slow start on offense.
• 32:46
  Not the first drive, the first drive we get into the territory
• 32:50
  we need to get into, get down to the 35 and everything stalls.
• 32:53
  But it was the subsequent after that.
• 32:56
  And again, Brian, you mentioned a few minutes ago, not until
• 32:58
  really the J Lane touchdown do we get sparked.
• 33:03
  So, you know, we're, we've talked about it a lot already.
• 33:08
  I mean, is this the week that everything changes?
• 33:13
  You, you hope it is right. You hope, you hope it is and you
• 33:17
  know, you hope that we can finally get past this, this
• 33:22
  confidence issue. And I feel like it it kind of
• 33:25
  it's snake bit US against Vanderbilt.
• 33:27
  We came out, we didn't, we had a couple drives that didn't go
• 33:29
  well. Then we have the turnover on the
• 33:32
  tipped screen pass and then it feels like, you know, we're kind
• 33:36
  of getting in our own way a little bit.
• 33:38
  And I, I think it's still a confidence issue.
• 33:41
  And I'm hoping that we've kind of gotten that past us a little
• 33:43
  bit because we've seen the ability of this team, even with
• 33:46
  the offensive line struggles we've had, we've seen that they
• 33:50
  have the ability to put up points and score the football.
• 33:53
  We just got to be consistent and we got to be able to do it
• 33:55
  coming out of the gate. Miranda, you follow NFL teams.
• 34:01
  What do you see and what do you read when there's there's a
• 34:04
  struggle out of the gate with NFL teams?
• 34:10
  Preparedness, I mean, going back to that and I really would I
• 34:16
  would look at coaching like why is your team also?
• 34:22
  Well, let me let me back up because the NFL because I
• 34:25
  followed the draft so closely and the team in the off, you see
• 34:30
  that the offensive line can shift a lot, right.
• 34:34
  But like you have a whole offseason and Pry said it before
• 34:38
  the game opener against Vandy. He said this is like we feel the
• 34:42
  best about this line. And he he had the confidence out
• 34:47
  loud. But it doesn't necessarily, you
• 34:51
  know, crystallize on the field like Brian said, like out the
• 34:54
  gates. And you just wonder.
• 34:57
  It's like, do we try something else?
• 35:00
  At at what point do we try something else?
• 35:03
  At what point is it because it is Cape?
• 35:05
  They are capable, but it's inconsistent and that can be
• 35:09
  frustrating to watch when you have all these weapons that are
• 35:13
  just waiting in the wings, you know?
• 35:18
  Yeah, it's very true. Sheldon, anything with you?
• 35:20
  Let's just kind of put the cap on the bat and to think about
• 35:24
  it. Yeah, I mean, you know, online
• 35:27
  wise, obviously struggled to run the ball in the first half.
• 35:31
  Ken Moore did not grid out particularly well at right guard
• 35:34
  and honestly, lathe Gannon really struggled left guard to
• 35:36
  being, you know, they had to so much so that they had to kind of
• 35:38
  take him out towards the end there.
• 35:39
  But he he graded out a 43 and really and and and run blocking.
• 35:44
  So, you know, they they made a change there.
• 35:47
  I also think, you know, like I said, they they struggled to
• 35:50
  identify some of those edge edge blitzes and blitzes.
• 35:52
  And I would assume that's probably a protection issue and
• 35:56
  drones was pressured on 50% of his drop backs.
• 35:59
  So that's not it's not a good number.
• 36:01
  It's got to get better. I think it just I just think
• 36:04
  it's, it starts with the protection.
• 36:06
  And again, part of that's Chiron, part of that's
• 36:08
  receivers, part of that's O line.
• 36:10
  Like there's, I mean, there's a lot of blame to go around, but I
• 36:11
  just think everything was out of sync in that that first half.
• 36:15
  Part, I just think part of that is establishing the run early
• 36:18
  and get your quarterback comfortable with those, you
• 36:20
  know, low hanging fruit, those easy completions, getting
• 36:22
  everyone comfortable. And I thought they did a pretty
• 36:25
  good job with that on the 1st drive and then it stalled.
• 36:29
  And then I feel like they went away from that.
• 36:30
  They, they didn't get him comfortable in the passing game
• 36:34
  at that point going forward throughout the rest of the first
• 36:37
  quarter and most of the second quarter.
• 36:39
  And I think that was probably where the, where the struggles
• 36:41
  were is that, you know, you lose a little bit of that confidence
• 36:44
  and then you're kind of back at square one.
• 36:45
  Because when your offensive line is inconsistent, it makes it, it
• 36:49
  makes it a lot harder to play quarterback just plain and
• 36:51
  simple. Because some, because if if
• 36:54
  you're getting sacked, you're getting chased around, sometimes
• 36:57
  you're seeing ghosts. There's a lot of things that
• 36:59
  happened there when when you have a offensive line that's
• 37:01
  very inconsistent. Let me ask you this, Brian, and
• 37:04
  this is this is almost an offseason topic.
• 37:06
  We always hear we're trying to mix and make guys learn
• 37:09
  positions. Is that something maybe what
• 37:12
  what we have we don't have the capability to do on the
• 37:14
  offensive line. If you're a right guard you
• 37:17
  that's where you're going to play.
• 37:18
  You're going to learn every step.
• 37:19
  You're going to learn every play from there versus, well, now
• 37:22
  you're going to try left and now we're going to put you out at
• 37:24
  right. Could that be an issue with the
• 37:27
  offensive line? It's the muscle memory in there
• 37:30
  with these guys and they just don't have the capability
• 37:33
  because we understand why you want to do it.
• 37:34
  You want to be prepared if somebody goes down, but it
• 37:38
  doesn't matter if you can't execute the play.
• 37:42
  Yeah. I mean, cross training is
• 37:43
  important and we've, we've talked about on here how
• 37:46
  important it is to, to cross train, especially the offensive
• 37:49
  line, having that position flexibility to be able to play
• 37:54
  guard and tackle. We got a bunch of guys that can
• 37:56
  play guard and tackle. We got a bunch of guys that can
• 37:58
  play, you know, right guard, left guard.
• 38:01
  We got a couple guys that are kind of moving from guard to
• 38:03
  center. We are really our, our two
• 38:05
  primary centers are guards that have been kind of moved into
• 38:09
  that spot, right. So that's part of the problem.
• 38:13
  I I think if it were me, I would have probably left Kaden at
• 38:18
  center and, you know, maybe maybe stood pat with that.
• 38:22
  I think what they were trying to do with that is they wanted to
• 38:25
  get that that Caden Parker tandem back that I think they
• 38:29
  thought that worked a little bit better.
• 38:32
  And then have Xavier, who is played admirably at that left
• 38:38
  tackle along with a younger guy on the left side there.
• 38:42
  I just think maybe it's still taking time to gel.
• 38:45
  Things don't always happen out the gate.
• 38:48
  It's a big difference when you start playing teams with
• 38:51
  different colored jerseys on. So it does take some time for
• 38:55
  that adjustment to take place. So I'm not saying that it's not
• 38:59
  time to look for answers, but I'm also saying let's let's be a
• 39:03
  little bit patient because as much as we want to win every
• 39:07
  game on our schedule, those ACC matchups are going to be a whole
• 39:10
  lot more important than a Vanderbilt or an ODU teams that
• 39:16
  we, you know, match up very well against from a talent
• 39:19
  standpoint. 100% all righty, just a couple more things on
• 39:25
  what went bad, y'all. I know we talked about the good
• 39:30
  special teams and I feel as far as the punt return goes, as far
• 39:35
  as the kickers go, they're excellent.
• 39:38
  But this is again the second straight week with a massive
• 39:41
  gaff and it really gave Marshall life.
• 39:46
  When we have a block kick and I got a little Miranda, you listen
• 39:51
  to the presser, I was there not far behind you.
• 39:55
  Were you a little bit perturbed when Brent Price said or they
• 39:58
  brought a guy off the edge and we didn't know what to do?
• 40:00
  He said he said the quiet part out loud.
• 40:02
  He did. I know.
• 40:05
  But were you perturbed by that? Because I'm sure in your head,
• 40:08
  while you're listening, it's like, well, coach, wouldn't you
• 40:10
  just we haven't seen this. We have 3.
• 40:14
  Let's readjust, right? Yeah.
• 40:19
  I I, I think that's a trend we're seeing is that sometimes I
• 40:23
  think Brent is a little slow to take a time out just because
• 40:28
  there's a problem. I think he sees things a little
• 40:30
  bit quicker on on defense and I think he's a little more attuned
• 40:34
  on offense. I think we're seeing that maybe
• 40:37
  there's a little bit of delay with that decision making when
• 40:40
  it comes to special teams just because there are different
• 40:44
  moving parts that he's not as familiar with with that unit.
• 40:48
  So yeah, that may just be a gap that he's still adjusting to at
• 40:52
  this point as far as how to make those decisions in game.
• 40:57
  Showing anything you were there live and actually that happened
• 41:01
  towards the North End, right? Oh, wow, yeah, yeah, I did.
• 41:06
  I mean, I thought I thought Peter was a little bit slow to.
• 41:10
  I could I could see it coming from, I don't know, like when
• 41:12
  they got their rush off, I was like, this does not look good.
• 41:16
  I thought, I thought Peter was a little bit slow getting the pun
• 41:19
  off. But, you know, Coach Price said
• 41:23
  that, you know, they hadn't seen that look before where basically
• 41:25
  the the guy guarding the receiver bails.
• 41:28
  And it was it was a great play called by by Marshall.
• 41:31
  You bail right before laterally and then the second ball
• 41:35
  snapped. You, you know, go for the
• 41:36
  punter. I don't know if maybe Marshall
• 41:39
  saw something on the film that, you know, they felt like they
• 41:42
  they could get away with that. Certainly possible.
• 41:45
  But I, I think you should give it a little bit of credit just
• 41:48
  because from what probably was saying like that's not a, that's
• 41:51
  not a play call you see very often.
• 41:53
  And they, they talked with some NFL teams like about, about
• 41:56
  that, that play. And I guess, you know, it
• 41:58
  happens once every so often. But yeah, I don't know.
• 42:01
  I mean, I guess you should be prepared for everything.
• 42:03
  But it seems like they they just don't really see a lot.
• 42:06
  All righty. Well, let's go to the things we
• 42:09
  were not prepared for. Miranda, your shot, anything in
• 42:12
  the game you were not prepared for statistically in game,
• 42:16
  etcetera. I think and Shelton, you can
• 42:22
  correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I had read that we had
• 42:26
  an we gave up another 4 sacks this week for a second week in a
• 42:30
  row. Is that right?
• 42:32
  I can Fact Check once. And it's so again, you know, and
• 42:36
  I hate to like shit on the online consistently, but I you
• 42:43
  just can't do that. Like, you know, because I say
• 42:46
  all these other things like, oh, we couldn't get third down
• 42:48
  going. We couldn't do this.
• 42:49
  Well, yeah, you can't when you're when your guy is getting,
• 42:53
  you know, and I know 4 isn't like outrageous, but that's two
• 42:58
  weeks in a row, 4 sacks. It's just I thought we would
• 43:03
  come out a little bit, a little bit more prepared than that all.
• 43:09
  Right, and it was 4. All right, OK.
• 43:11
  It was 4 sacks. It was 4 sacks.
• 43:13
  So yeah, Sheldon, you were there.
• 43:16
  You obviously probably watch some of the tape.
• 43:18
  We know you do you read up some of the stats.
• 43:20
  What about you? Anything you want to say?
• 43:24
  Yeah, not prefer I I would say, you know, I I wouldn't call it
• 43:28
  lackluster, but I've a little bit disappointed by the passing
• 43:32
  game. Just seems like it hasn't been,
• 43:34
  you know, quite clicking and, you know, I'd love to get
• 43:36
  Brian's thoughts on this, but it seems to me like I Vt is it's
• 43:40
  been after run ball well to to move the ball.
• 43:43
  I think drones is not a prototypical drop back passer.
• 43:46
  I think he's best when he's doing RP OS bootlegs, you know,
• 43:50
  get it out in space, get away from the online, you know, throw
• 43:53
  down field. It just seems like other teams
• 43:56
  are forcing him to, you know, kind of sit back in the pocket
• 43:58
  and dissect zone defenses, you know, cover 3, cover 4, and I
• 44:02
  think he's kind of struggled with that.
• 44:03
  So, you know, that's been something that I was certainly
• 44:08
  hoping for a little bit more there, you know, just because
• 44:10
  of, you know, what we expected with his development in passing
• 44:12
  game. It just hasn't quite been there.
• 44:14
  I think right now it seems kind of off.
• 44:16
  You look at the targets, you know, some guys aren't getting a
• 44:18
  ton of catches that you you would normally expect.
• 44:21
  So I, I certainly think the passing game leaves a little bit
• 44:23
  to be desired. And I was a little bit
• 44:25
  underwhelmed by, you know, kind of what we've seen through
• 44:28
  through two games and certainly on Saturday.
• 44:31
  Yeah. And Sean kind of hit it on the
• 44:32
  head there. I, I, I think Kyron does a lot
• 44:35
  better when with the RP OS, when you can move the pocket, get
• 44:40
  those half field, you know, 1-2 like a high, low read and things
• 44:44
  like that. I think he does a lot better
• 44:45
  with those things and, and it's a lot to process if you're, if
• 44:50
  you've got a full field, you know, 3 or 4 progression read
• 44:57
  and you know, defenses are in your lap a little bit because
• 45:02
  offensive line's a little inconsistent.
• 45:03
  So I think it's the combination of those things where we're
• 45:07
  we're dropping straight back in those in those, you know, three
• 45:11
  and five step drops a little bit more than we did last year where
• 45:14
  it was more RP OS move in the pocket, letting Kyron do what he
• 45:18
  does best, which is deliver a ball kind of off platform on the
• 45:23
  run. He is very accurate and and very
• 45:26
  good at doing those things. I just think we haven't seen a
• 45:29
  lot of those, but I feel like we get better when we when we start
• 45:32
  throwing some of those elements in there.
• 45:33
  I think some of those big plays that we saw against Vanderbilt
• 45:36
  were off of that type of action to to get Ollie Jennings open
• 45:41
  one time, to get Jay Lane open one time.
• 45:43
  There's there's a couple of big plays we saw against Vanderbilt.
• 45:46
  We're off of that. I think we need to kind of maybe
• 45:50
  get back to our identity and understand that maybe
• 45:53
  simplifying things a little bit is the way to go because we hope
• 45:56
  we saw success with that. And I think the other thing with
• 46:00
  the passing game is that, you know, I don't think we can go
• 46:02
  another game with with Ollie Jennings registering AA0.
• 46:08
  You got you got to get him the ball.
• 46:10
  He is too talented not to be able to get behind the defense.
• 46:16
  And I, and I think they were doing a good job of like not
• 46:18
  letting us take the top off the the defense.
• 46:21
  They they definitely were saying if you want to matriculate the
• 46:24
  ball down the field in the passing game, by all means,
• 46:27
  we're not going to play a lot of man.
• 46:29
  We're going to play zone. We're going to make you throw
• 46:32
  into tight windows. These are not things that I
• 46:35
  think are our strengths. I think I think we can do them,
• 46:38
  but they're definitely not our strengths.
• 46:40
  I think we need to again, lean on the running game.
• 46:42
  So they have to get out of that look where they can't just sit
• 46:46
  back and wait on us to do something underneath.
• 46:49
  So that, that that's my take there.
• 46:51
  And I think if we do that, we'll be OK.
• 46:54
  Understood, Understood. I mine was what turn around for
• 46:58
  the linebackers. That room was we, we in here,
• 47:01
  we, we, we game a little bit of a shellacking last week, all
• 47:06
  intentions purposes for good, but they played so significantly
• 47:09
  better. They were in the right spots
• 47:10
  with the exception of the one big play, the 69 yard run to AJ
• 47:14
  Turner. You take away that big run, it
• 47:18
  was 25 for 70 per run. That's well under that's
• 47:25
  borderline like like 2.3, which is nothing.
• 47:29
  So just but it's good to see it. That's the confidence growing
• 47:32
  and that's what I like to see. Brian, we're going to we're
• 47:35
  going to wrap this up real quick because it is getting late.
• 47:37
  We don't want Miranda to miss her bedtime.
• 47:40
  Can't mess with. Them.
• 47:43
  Ain't the only one, but Brian, one thing you feel we've got to
• 47:46
  do this better moving forward against ODUN the rest of the
• 47:52
  season. I mean it's low hanging free,
• 47:54
  right with pass protection. If, if we can give our
• 47:57
  quarterback a little bit more time, if we can do those little
• 48:01
  things better in the passing game with communication of blitz
• 48:05
  pick up, I think we're going to be in a good position going
• 48:08
  forward because we know the talent at the skill positions
• 48:11
  are there. So take take care of your
• 48:14
  quarterback block for your running back.
• 48:17
  Good things are going to happen. Sean, what about you?
• 48:21
  Yeah. Well, to to hammer home your
• 48:23
  point about the rush defense, that 69 yarder was really the
• 48:27
  one they play that Marshall had. And it goes to show how averages
• 48:30
  can be misleading because I think, I think Marshall's
• 48:33
  average yards per carry. 5.7 Right 5.7.
• 48:40
  Right. But you take that, you take that
• 48:42
  69 yarder out and look at it, I think it was, I think it was
• 48:44
  under 3. So that's why we have stats like
• 48:47
  success rate, which look at, you know, if you were successful on
• 48:50
  each play. And I don't think I wasn't quite
• 48:54
  able to get rushing success rate from that game in particular.
• 48:57
  But you look at run stuff rate, Stuff rate is the percentage of
• 49:01
  runs that are stopped at or behind the line of scrimmage.
• 49:04
  So Tech had a 15% run stuff rate against Marshall on defense.
• 49:08
  That's really good. That was the bottom, bottom
• 49:10
  first percentile for all FBS games this year.
• 49:13
  So they were, they were really good.
• 49:15
  Just, you know, forcing, forcing 0 or negative yardage plays was
• 49:18
  really helpful. So again, yards per carry
• 49:21
  averages can be misleading. Sometimes you take out the big
• 49:23
  gainers, look at just, you know, success rate on a, you know,
• 49:26
  down by down basis. Tech did a really good job
• 49:27
  defensively. Miranda, one thing you've got to
• 49:31
  you feel we have to do better moving forward.
• 49:35
  Bryant said the word earlier and I'm just going to steal it, but
• 49:39
  bring the damn swagger. Like not an not an official game
• 49:45
  note, but like come out. I don't even care.
• 49:48
  Come out cocky. It might bite us in the ass, but
• 49:51
  get out there like you. We do have the playmakers to be
• 49:55
  cocky about. Do what we do best.
• 49:58
  Let's see what happens. We've played this team.
• 50:02
  This isn't a new team. Like we don't have that excuse.
• 50:05
  So we believe we're prepared, right?
• 50:09
  Run the ball. That's right, run the ball.
• 50:12
  That's our buddy coach Robbie Compton, who's going to be in
• 50:14
  the head coaching chair as his head coach is going to be out
• 50:18
  for six weeks with a foot surgery.
• 50:20
  So Robbie's going to be running defense and running head coach
• 50:23
  down in North Carolina high school ball.
• 50:26
  Robbie, godspeed. I'm going to close this out real
• 50:29
  quick and I'm going to steal this Andy Bitter shout out.
• 50:31
  I listened to Tech sideline the other day.
• 50:33
  Love those guys over there. And he said it.
• 50:37
  He's like we've got to establish the identity.
• 50:40
  And I mentioned to y'all in here a little while ago and to a
• 50:44
  couple other people. When we established our identity
• 50:47
  last year, Ali wasn't here, Gosnell wasn't quite there yet.
• 50:51
  Developmentally, we really didn't have a tight end threat.
• 50:55
  It was Kwan and it was Jay Lane along with Tutor and drones.
• 51:01
  RP OS. We ran the ball, read options,
• 51:04
  we ran, we got them set up. We took shots, we found RP OS,
• 51:07
  little post, little slants. We've got to establish the
• 51:10
  identity and this is the week it's got to start.
• 51:13
  Last year took the week five, this year it's got to be at week
• 51:17
  3 and I think that is going to be what we said.
• 51:20
  Put it back up there. What Robbie said just a second
• 51:22
  ago. It starts with running the ball.
• 51:26
  Run the ball. Everything else will flow
• 51:28
  downhill naturally. Miranda, we appreciate you
• 51:32
  coming on with us tonight. Thanks for having me, that was
• 51:36
  fun. And we we thank you for joining
• 51:38
  us because the honest truth, it's awesome.
• 51:40
  I I read the articles. You were doing a fantastic job.
• 51:44
  If y'all have not go to boundarycornerbt.com.
• 51:48
  Check out both of Miranda's articles and little game recaps
• 51:51
  with some little news notes, her takes.
• 51:55
  It's entertaining. I'm going to say that it it
• 51:56
  will. Definitely keep.
• 51:57
  I've got a style. You definitely do.
• 52:00
  But listen, you take care. We will definitely have you back
• 52:03
  on very shortly and appreciate it.
• 52:06
  Take care. All your time with Gary.
• 52:08
  Bye. All righty.
• 52:11
  So as you all know, we are brought to you by counts Family
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  S Main St. in Blacksburg. And now we flip over to know the
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  enemy. And tonight we actually have a
• 52:27
  special guest, one of the first time we've ever done this.
• 52:31
  So Brian, you've been talking with our our guest tonight, so
• 52:36
  I'll let you do the introduction.
• 52:38
  No problem, no problem. So as you guys know, we are a
• 52:41
  college huddle podcast here. And one of the big benefits of
• 52:45
  being a part of something like that is that you get to
• 52:47
  communicate with these other podcasts throughout the country,
• 52:50
  especially when you got common opponents and things like that.
• 52:53
  It's going to be a big boost for us.
• 52:54
  And one of the things we can do is get a guy in here to talk
• 52:57
  about a team like ODU that knows them like the back of his hand,
• 53:02
  just like we do Virginia Tech. So we're going to welcome Gary
• 53:04
  Williams on with the ODU Monarchist.
• 53:08
  Gary, how you doing tonight? I'm doing great, thank you all
• 53:11
  for having me on. Appreciate you joining us
• 53:14
  tonight, Gary, and taking a little bit out of time.
• 53:16
  Gary. Also, we saw you are here in the
• 53:19
  RVA with us. So that's great to hear.
• 53:21
  We got a lot of RVA podcasts going on.
• 53:25
  Just give us a little bit of insight yourself how this
• 53:28
  started with your your podcast and what you do for fun.
• 53:34
  Yeah, well, I graduated from ODU in the spring of 2009, so I was
• 53:38
  like just a couple months away from football, restarting there
• 53:41
  in the fall. You know, I've been fully
• 53:43
  involved with the team in some capacity since then as a fan,
• 53:47
  alumni, donor, all that good stuff.
• 53:49
  But there are our group ODU Monarch is we started as a like
• 53:52
  a Twitter DM group chat back in 2019.
• 53:56
  And you know, 2019 for us, that was the one in 11 season.
• 53:59
  It was not a whole lot of fun. So we're kind of looking for
• 54:01
  people that were like, all right, we know we're awful this
• 54:04
  year. We've got stuff to look forward
• 54:05
  to, kind of like minded people that trying to be a little more
• 54:07
  positive about ODU football. So it evolved from that to a
• 54:13
  tailgate group. And then in 2022 we launched a
• 54:16
  podcast mainly just covering football and men's basketball, a
• 54:19
  couple of other things. Now we are we have our website
• 54:22
  as well, ODU monarchist.com. So we pretty much cover every
• 54:25
  sport at ODUA. Couple different podcasts now,
• 54:28
  including the official men's basketball show for ODU.
• 54:32
  We are big partners with the Pride of ODUNIL Collective when
• 54:36
  that came online. So we do a lot of in person
• 54:39
  events with them, podcast, different things like that, just
• 54:43
  doing everything we can to promote ODU athletics, our our
• 54:46
  student athletes. Then the other wing of what we
• 54:49
  do is is really focused on charities in the 757 every year,
• 54:53
  usually our last foot home football game, we partner with
• 54:55
  the Marine Corps to do a Toys for Tots drive.
• 54:58
  So each year we've exceeded our goals there.
• 55:01
  The Marines bring out some like armored personnel carriers that
• 55:05
  kids can play in and we fill it up with toys.
• 55:07
  We get the F18 flyovers, all that fun stuff.
• 55:10
  So just kind of looking to serve the community and also, you
• 55:13
  know, taking care of what we love, and that's Old Dominion
• 55:15
  athletics. That's awesome, man.
• 55:17
  I'd love to hear that. I'd love to hear how you're
• 55:19
  involved in the community, how you kind of got a great
• 55:22
  relationship with the school there.
• 55:23
  So it, you know, looks like you guys are hitting it on all
• 55:26
  fronts. So that congratulations on that
• 55:28
  and well done. Yeah, Thank you.
• 55:30
  We're still trying to just grow this thing as big as possible
• 55:32
  right now. Send or reach a bit.
• 55:35
  Very nice year. Good luck to y'all on that man.
• 55:38
  Obviously, both of us being a part of the College Huddle
• 55:41
  Network, we wish y'all nothing but the best.
• 55:44
  And obviously it's great to have that chance to create these
• 55:47
  relationships where when our teams play each other, we can
• 55:50
  get a little insight for the other team.
• 55:52
  And let's start with that tonight because I want to start
• 55:54
  with the ODU defense because right now I got a feeling you're
• 55:59
  going to tell me things aren't going great because from the
• 56:01
  look of it, you guys are one O 8 in rush defense.
• 56:06
  So give me a little background and what we should expect from
• 56:10
  defensive coordinator brakes liars 335 defense.
• 56:14
  And you know, what sort of identity is he trying to
• 56:17
  establish with that look? Yeah, well, defense is actually
• 56:20
  the stronger side of the ball right now.
• 56:23
  I know they're they're lower in those rankings.
• 56:26
  We played at South Carolina, played against East Carolina and
• 56:29
  a lot of the points that the defense has given up is because
• 56:31
  they're on the field so much. Last weekend against East
• 56:34
  Carolina was really like our almost almost most even time of
• 56:37
  possession game. But you go look at South
• 56:39
  Carolina, some of the games last year, our defense is on the
• 56:42
  field for 3839 minutes a game. So fourth quarter, getting
• 56:45
  gassed a little bit, but you're going to see some 335, you're
• 56:49
  going to see some 326, You're going to see some funky looking
• 56:52
  nickel coverages, 3 safety packages.
• 56:56
  You're going to see a lot out of the defense.
• 56:58
  You probably won't see the same look twice either up front or
• 57:00
  back in the secondary. When Blake Tyler originally came
• 57:04
  to ODU, we actually ran a 425. We're actually in pretty good
• 57:07
  shape with that. We kind of have adjusted based
• 57:10
  on personnel, but you're going to see a lot of blitzes from a
• 57:15
  lot of different places. We blitz a lot, whether it's
• 57:18
  from one of the linebackers, safeties, corners.
• 57:21
  We try to vary it up quite a bit now.
• 57:24
  South Carolina ran the ball pretty well against us.
• 57:26
  If you look at the total yards, they're still around like 3.1
• 57:29
  yards per carry. We did probably our best job
• 57:32
  defensively stopping their kind of power run, power option
• 57:36
  looks. I think they went into that game
• 57:38
  saying we're in the SEC, we're bigger than you in the trenches
• 57:41
  and we're just going to run all over you.
• 57:43
  They were doing OK with that, but we were able to kind of get
• 57:45
  a lot of stops on on 3rd down South.
• 57:48
  You know, both of the touchdowns South Carolina scored were off
• 57:51
  of fumbles and they started inside our 10 yard line.
• 57:54
  So we're we're kind of going into Saturday thinking we
• 57:57
  probably should be two and O, we just shot ourselves in the foot
• 58:00
  way too much. All right.
• 58:03
  So that that's that's a good amount of confidence and I can
• 58:07
  appreciate that. And and, you know, as a team
• 58:09
  that's coming off playing a Marshall team that was really
• 58:11
  good up front, even if they were a little weaker on the back end.
• 58:17
  Yeah, telling us that that you were going to have some blitzes
• 58:20
  and struggling with some blitz pick up.
• 58:21
  That's definitely something we got to keep our eye on because
• 58:24
  we've struggled with that so far.
• 58:26
  So we're we're we're talking about, you know, what you do.
• 58:29
  Let's talk about who does it. What are some of the playmakers
• 58:31
  on this defense? Yeah, there's a there's quite a
• 58:34
  few that have stood out early in the season for us.
• 58:37
  Cohen, no Itala, he is filled in at linebacker a lot for Jason
• 58:41
  Henderson, who's not fully back yet.
• 58:43
  I think he had 18 tackles on Saturday against East Carolina.
• 58:47
  You won't you won't be able to miss him if he's on the field.
• 58:49
  He has a nice Troy Palomalu flow coming out the back of that
• 58:53
  thing. But he's usually a weak side
• 58:55
  linebacker in the 335 or the 326.
• 58:59
  He's he's on that side. Jeron Manning, JUCO transfer
• 59:03
  that came in this year. He's back at safety.
• 59:05
  He's usually one of the three safeties that's back there.
• 59:08
  He is probably our our best guy in the secondary.
• 59:12
  He can do it all. He's a bigger safety so he can
• 59:14
  come up and run support, grading coverage.
• 59:16
  Had two interceptions against East Carolina on Saturday.
• 59:20
  He's a ball hawk. He he runs fast and he hits
• 59:22
  very, very hard. So those are two guys to look
• 59:25
  at. I know everyone probably wants
• 59:27
  to hear about Jason Henderson. He tore his ACL with about three
• 59:32
  games left to go in the season. Tried to make a go of it in the
• 59:35
  South Carolina game, but you could clearly see he was he was
• 59:38
  dragging that leg. I mean, he's not a super tall
• 59:40
  guy, but he's really well built and you can actually like see
• 59:42
  the size difference in his legs from where he's been recovering.
• 59:46
  So he did not play against East Carolina.
• 59:48
  Don't know if he's going to play on Saturday.
• 59:50
  I would be surprised. I think with us having a bye
• 59:53
  week and then going to Bowling Green, we're probably trying to
• 59:56
  take care of him the best we can because he's likely to get
• 59:58
  drafted. But also like we're our, our
• 1:00:00
  focus is really going to be on winning Sunbelt games and try to
• 1:00:03
  get in the Sunbelt championship game at this point.
• 1:00:05
  So you know, he's not likely to see him, but I'm sure you
• 1:00:09
  remember from a couple years ago when he was a little bit younger
• 1:00:12
  out there at linebacker and he's just, he's a high motor guy.
• 1:00:15
  He's the heart and soul of the defense.
• 1:00:17
  But they've done a really good job in his absence.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah, obviously our, our, this is our, this is our other Co
• 1:00:22
  host Jonathan Talley, who's a little under the weather
• 1:00:24
  tonight. He is right.
• 1:00:26
  Henderson is a stud and from our vantage point, we're the
• 1:00:30
  opposite of you. We hope we don't see him
• 1:00:32
  Saturday at all. Let me throw one other guy out
• 1:00:35
  there that kind of caught our eye.
• 1:00:37
  Give us a little insight on Mario Thompson.
• 1:00:41
  Mario Thompson, obviously, you know, he's a local kid to us
• 1:00:44
  here in Richmond, Went out, played Trinity, you know, Three
• 1:00:47
  Star when he came out a couple years ago.
• 1:00:50
  Where do we see him on the defense?
• 1:00:52
  Because I know he's considered a linebacker, but where's he
• 1:00:55
  playing exactly? Yeah, you'll, you'll see him at
• 1:00:58
  linebacker when we have 3 linebacker sets out there.
• 1:01:01
  A lot of times if we're running kind of that 326, he is the
• 1:01:04
  third safety that is on the field, like technically at
• 1:01:06
  safety. So you'll see him line up all
• 1:01:08
  over. I mean, he got a lot of playing
• 1:01:10
  time against East Carolina with Jason Henderson out and he he
• 1:01:14
  played really, really well. I think he was second on the
• 1:01:16
  team in tackles. I saw him line up with a hand in
• 1:01:19
  the dirt outside of the defensive end.
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  I saw him middle linebacker and I saw him basically at the
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  sticks 12 yards down the field on 1/3 and long.
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  So he's going to be everywhere. I think his speed and
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  athleticism and being a little bit leaner than maybe your
• 1:01:34
  prototypical linebacker, he's paid some dividends for him.
• 1:01:37
  He had some great stops in the game against South Carolina.
• 1:01:40
  I don't think their quarterback wants to see Old Dominion again
• 1:01:43
  because Mario Thompson was in his face on a lot of those kind
• 1:01:45
  of boundary type runs and quick pops and things like that.
• 1:01:49
  But yeah, he's, I mean, he's young, he's still developing.
• 1:01:52
  He hasn't had a ton of playing time yet.
• 1:01:53
  But our line backing position group is without a doubt the
• 1:01:57
  strength of our team. I mean, we were missing Jason
• 1:01:59
  Henderson. He was kind of on one leg for
• 1:02:01
  the first game and they were still our strongest unit.
• 1:02:03
  So lot to like about him. KOA EJ Green, who's in the
• 1:02:08
  second year with us after transferring him from Duke.
• 1:02:10
  We we have some dudes at linebacker and rotate them very,
• 1:02:14
  very often. All right.
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  So you talked about that strength.
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  Were you going to say Curtis? I will say I was on AC Bates
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  here, Shelton, you didn't have anything data was that was.
• 1:02:26
  That you wanted to No, I got I got a couple in the offense, but
• 1:02:29
  you can. Got it, he says.
• 1:02:30
  He's got his offense and. Stuff together since we're
• 1:02:34
  keeping it moving. You know, you talked about the
• 1:02:36
  strength of that defense. Where are some of the areas of
• 1:02:38
  weakness on the defense? And like So what?
• 1:02:40
  Which which area has you most concerned heading into this game
• 1:02:43
  on Saturday? Well, I think the three man
• 1:02:45
  front is kind of the weakness for us when they don't have
• 1:02:49
  someone blitzing in running blaze and things like that.
• 1:02:53
  They do fine. But we saw it in South Carolina,
• 1:02:56
  saw it a lot against East Carolina.
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  Third and 10 plus we're dropping 8.
• 1:03:00
  We're rushing 3. The quarterbacks back there
• 1:03:03
  baking the cake, doing his taxes, plenty of time for the
• 1:03:05
  routes to progress and converted all but one first down on 3rd
• 1:03:10
  down when we dropped eight in coverage when we blitzed, they
• 1:03:13
  only converted one for the whole game.
• 1:03:15
  So I think it's more from a play calling standpoint of if, if
• 1:03:19
  we're in 3rd and long, we have to blitz otherwise we're not
• 1:03:21
  going to be successful. They're they're that defense is
• 1:03:24
  at its best when it's very, very aggressive and blitzing a lot
• 1:03:27
  may get a get burned every now and then.
• 1:03:29
  We got burned on two runs against East Carolina with it.
• 1:03:31
  But sending 3 and dropping 8 is basically my nightmare when I
• 1:03:36
  see it unfold on the field and I'm just ducking my head until I
• 1:03:39
  hear a whistle and I'm hoping it's not because someone's in
• 1:03:41
  the end zone. So you're you're not getting
• 1:03:44
  home with three very often then? No, no, you're three on five,
• 1:03:49
  especially if they're SEC East Carolina had a great front 7.
• 1:03:52
  And I know Tech's defensive front is really, really tough
• 1:03:55
  too. So our offensive front is is
• 1:03:57
  pretty tough. So yeah, three minute front's
• 1:03:59
  not going to get it done. We got at least send one
• 1:04:00
  linebacker to make things spicy. Now let me ask this because with
• 1:04:04
  that 35 do y'all have a true nose or are y'all playing more
• 1:04:07
  of like what is it Brian? Probably like a 2 shade eye
• 1:04:11
  trying to make it off like off centered inside there.
• 1:04:16
  Yeah, we're, we're usually off center.
• 1:04:18
  We don't necessarily have a true nose tackle.
• 1:04:22
  You know, Denzel Lowry is probably that guy.
• 1:04:25
  Where's #8 up the middle. He's had some pretty good
• 1:04:27
  success there. But typically we are shading to
• 1:04:29
  one side or the other because usually someone's either firing
• 1:04:33
  from a gap or firing from the outside, from the linebacker,
• 1:04:35
  the secondary. So we're trying to create the
• 1:04:37
  that leverage on the offensive line.
• 1:04:40
  Yeah, usually that's more of a one gap, even though it's a
• 1:04:43
  three man front, it's usually one gap versus A2 gap with the
• 1:04:47
  335 S. Most of the time there's going
• 1:04:50
  to be a shade situation there. But yeah, so I mean, I mean,
• 1:04:55
  that kind of wraps up what we want to talk about on the
• 1:04:57
  defense. I appreciate that, Gary.
• 1:04:59
  Let's flip it over to the offense.
• 1:05:02
  You got offensive coordinator Kevin Decker running that up
• 1:05:06
  tempo offense. What can we expect from that
• 1:05:09
  offense and kind of what are some of the bread and butter
• 1:05:12
  calls in that offense? The offense is a bit of a
• 1:05:16
  dumpster fire right now. They have been terrible in the
• 1:05:20
  first two games. Even though it's a good
• 1:05:21
  competition, we're just not not doing the right things back
• 1:05:24
  there. It is a very up tempo offense.
• 1:05:28
  You will not see us huddle when a play is over.
• 1:05:30
  We're going to the line immediately and if you're not
• 1:05:33
  set, if you got the wrong personnel, we're going to snap
• 1:05:36
  it with 3536 seconds on the play clock and go.
• 1:05:39
  If you don't like the look, then we'll kind of back off and snap
• 1:05:41
  it around about 25 seconds. So a lot of plays it's going to
• 1:05:45
  move quickly. This is basically the same
• 1:05:48
  offense that they run at Tennessee right now under Josh
• 1:05:51
  Heipol. It's very much a spread.
• 1:05:54
  You will we will have a receiver on both sides of the field
• 1:05:56
  outside the number on pretty much every play.
• 1:05:59
  We're we're going to make you defend the the whole width of
• 1:06:01
  the field there. But really, truly it's a running
• 1:06:05
  offense because the idea is to spread them out, get mismatches
• 1:06:08
  and leverage up front and be able to run the football.
• 1:06:11
  That's when we were at our best last year is when, you know, we
• 1:06:15
  were, we were able to do those things and move the ball down
• 1:06:17
  the field. I, I don't feel like the offense
• 1:06:19
  has ever fully clicked and I don't know if that's personnel
• 1:06:22
  or what it is. We have a lot of problems up
• 1:06:24
  front in our offensive line as well, but when it clicks, it
• 1:06:29
  goes fast. I mean we're talking 3 plays, 75
• 1:06:31
  yards, 22 seconds have come off the clock and it's a touchdown.
• 1:06:35
  We'll go 3 and out the next 6 drives and you're always just
• 1:06:37
  waiting for like that one big chunk play that's going to bust
• 1:06:40
  it open. That's why I feel like we've
• 1:06:42
  been in so many one possession games because the defense has
• 1:06:44
  been strong and the offense hits those big plays every now and
• 1:06:48
  then to just keep us right in the game.
• 1:06:52
  I think you asked about bread and butter calls, ton of RPO
• 1:06:56
  looks, a lot of RPO alerts. So you truly have the the run
• 1:07:00
  pass option there. You're gonna see a lot of
• 1:07:03
  interesting delayed routes on the outside where we run.
• 1:07:08
  We usually run like stacks. So for four Y, we've got 2
• 1:07:11
  receivers, cleat de cleat on the outside the numbers.
• 1:07:14
  So you're going to see a lot of funny things with that where it
• 1:07:16
  looks like a screen and then it's slant and then it's go and
• 1:07:19
  the other guys running kind of a wheel route.
• 1:07:21
  I had some really weird route combos that happened out there.
• 1:07:23
  So we run a lot of that. Where we've been struggling
• 1:07:26
  right now is we have no short intermediate passing game over
• 1:07:29
  the middle. So East Carolina, they put six
• 1:07:32
  in the box even when we had four wide.
• 1:07:34
  They just trusted their single coverage and that they would get
• 1:07:36
  home to get pressure before the ball could get out.
• 1:07:39
  And that's what they did to us all night.
• 1:07:41
  And it killed us in the running game from that that way because
• 1:07:43
  we were outnumbered. And then it killed us in the
• 1:07:45
  passing game because the online cannot hold up the pass block.
• 1:07:49
  I imagine we're going to come with a very similar road map
• 1:07:52
  because that, that's what we like to do anyway.
• 1:07:55
  And that kind of plays a little bit into, into what we do well.
• 1:07:58
  So I, I expect a lot of that on our side, trying to play as much
• 1:08:02
  man as possible, trying to get after the quarterback as much as
• 1:08:04
  possible. And, and we'll, we'll we'll
• 1:08:06
  hopefully hold up in the in the rushing attack and, and keep
• 1:08:09
  that in check. But yeah, so you, you got the
• 1:08:14
  bread and butter. Shelton, do you have anything on
• 1:08:16
  on the offense as far as the team is concerned that you
• 1:08:18
  wanted to throw in here? Yeah, so, so I was looking at
• 1:08:22
  the the stats for Grant Wilson at quarterback.
• 1:08:24
  It's kind of funny you mentioned the the lack of the intermediate
• 1:08:26
  passing game. You know, statistically ODU
• 1:08:29
  doesn't throw deep a ton. They do go over over the middle
• 1:08:33
  a lot. And and those intermediate
• 1:08:35
  throws are just not being very efficient with them.
• 1:08:37
  So I assume, you know, that's kind of a kind of a major
• 1:08:39
  problem. But for Wilson, you know, he had
• 1:08:41
  a pretty decent game against BT last year from what I recall,
• 1:08:44
  PFS stats not great, not very kind to him so far, kind of
• 1:08:49
  right around right around 43, which is, which is rough.
• 1:08:52
  And he's also been pressured 30 times, which is the most among
• 1:08:56
  all Group of Five quarterbacks thus far.
• 1:08:58
  So I guess I'd ask you what have been the weak spots for him this
• 1:09:03
  year And and do you think the O line has maybe made things a
• 1:09:05
  little bit more difficult for him?
• 1:09:08
  The other line's definitely been a problem, just protection in
• 1:09:10
  general mixed with some play calling.
• 1:09:12
  A lot of our routes that are even intermediate and deep are
• 1:09:16
  longer developing routes. They're keying off another
• 1:09:18
  receiver, sometimes their choice routes, things like that.
• 1:09:22
  So he has been under pressure a ton, he has been flushed from
• 1:09:25
  the pocket a ton. And really like our our short
• 1:09:29
  game that we've hit is usually like quick curls, quick hitches
• 1:09:32
  to the outside, kind of some tunnel screen action too.
• 1:09:36
  That's where we've been like, that's our short game for the
• 1:09:39
  most part. We do run a ton of deep
• 1:09:41
  crossers. So you'll see you guys come from
• 1:09:44
  the outside, the numbers all the way, the numbers on the other
• 1:09:46
  side. You know, I think Grant, he had
• 1:09:50
  fumble problems at South Carolina.
• 1:09:52
  Both of the fumbles that were there were the ones inside our
• 1:09:55
  own 10 that led to those touchdowns and really why we
• 1:09:57
  lost that game. He was a little bit better
• 1:10:00
  protecting the ball I think against East Carolina, but
• 1:10:02
  almost more of not risking throws, which is problematic in
• 1:10:06
  our offense. You need to take those deep
• 1:10:07
  shots when you get them. But really like all all the
• 1:10:11
  difficulties he's having stem from the offensive line we
• 1:10:14
  faced. 2 good ones for sure. Kyle Kennard at South Carolina
• 1:10:17
  is one of the best edge rushers I've ever seen in person in my
• 1:10:20
  life. I mean, he was blown past the
• 1:10:22
  left tackle like he was standing still.
• 1:10:26
  But we, we've got to clean up that pass protection because he
• 1:10:28
  just, he, he is getting pushed out of the pocket in under 2
• 1:10:32
  seconds in most spots. So he's not even on 2nd read
• 1:10:35
  before that happens. But his status for Saturday is
• 1:10:39
  actually very, very much in the air right now.
• 1:10:44
  Yeah, we were reading about that.
• 1:10:46
  Are we expected if he can't go, are we going to see Colton
• 1:10:49
  Joseph or are we going to see somebody else further down the
• 1:10:52
  depth chart? I got a tiptoe around this one
• 1:10:56
  because I know the answer and I'm not telling it.
• 1:10:58
  There we go. OK.
• 1:11:00
  I respect that. I'll give you a rundown of who's
• 1:11:02
  behind Grant. So Colton Joseph red shirt
• 1:11:05
  freshman is from California dual threat guy, a little bit bigger
• 1:11:10
  than grant big arm ton of confidence we've seen in in
• 1:11:14
  spring ball hasn't looked great, hasn't looked great in practice,
• 1:11:18
  especially with past accuracy and decision making, which this
• 1:11:21
  offense is very much all right. I've got to know what choice my
• 1:11:24
  receiver's going to take because they have 3.
• 1:11:26
  So you have to be In Sync with your receivers and know your
• 1:11:29
  timing. He has not played in a game for
• 1:11:31
  us at all. Who if if it's not Grant, it
• 1:11:35
  will be someone who has not taken an FBS snap in at least
• 1:11:38
  two years. So got that I've got Quinn
• 1:11:41
  Hennikle is a true freshman. He just joined the team in
• 1:11:46
  summer camp. Probably not likely to play, but
• 1:11:47
  he's like if you clone Grant Wilson, they look the same.
• 1:11:51
  They got the same bill, they move the same on the field, they
• 1:11:53
  run the same style of offenses and things like that.
• 1:11:56
  He's an option. And then Emmett Morehead, who
• 1:11:59
  was a transfer of this offseason from Boston College.
• 1:12:01
  Emmett played some at BC, got hurt and didn't play much after
• 1:12:05
  that. Both of the all three of these
• 1:12:07
  guys are are dual threats. Colton Joseph is probably the
• 1:12:10
  faster of the group. He kind of runs like a deer and
• 1:12:13
  he is a lot stronger than he looks.
• 1:12:16
  So if you're a, a corner that's 165 lbs and you go for the big
• 1:12:20
  hit on him, might wake up looking for your mouthpiece
• 1:12:22
  because he's a he's a big boy. So you'll have to wait and see
• 1:12:26
  when the first offense comes out who is in at quarterback because
• 1:12:31
  I I will not be not be the one to let that cat out of the bag.
• 1:12:35
  I can appreciate that, Curtis, what you got?
• 1:12:37
  Well, we'll know it's six O clock.
• 1:12:39
  Let's talk a little bit about y'all's running game.
• 1:12:42
  Obviously it it's been a little bit of a struggle this year, but
• 1:12:45
  it looks like you guys are leaning pretty heavy on Aaron
• 1:12:49
  Young, who's leading the team in Russian.
• 1:12:52
  And how's Bryce Duke going? That's a former Hokie that
• 1:12:55
  transferred to ODU this offseason.
• 1:12:58
  How much PT is he getting? And you know, just a little bit
• 1:13:00
  about the running backroom. Yeah, well, I'll start and stay
• 1:13:03
  on the injury theme. Devin Roche was really slated to
• 1:13:06
  be our top running back. We were going to rotate a lot of
• 1:13:09
  guys, but he was he was the bell cow.
• 1:13:11
  He is the elusive back, super fast.
• 1:13:14
  You will lose him in a crowd and then he's in the end zone.
• 1:13:17
  He's super quick. He got a nice welcoming down
• 1:13:20
  there in Columbia on the opening kick off.
• 1:13:22
  Some guy just tried to go can opener on his on his shoe with
• 1:13:25
  his foot still in it. So he has not touched the field
• 1:13:28
  since then. Don't know his status for
• 1:13:30
  Saturday, but imagine similar to Jason Henderson by week coming
• 1:13:34
  up at Bowling Green. Probably not likely.
• 1:13:37
  So Aaron Young is has carried the bulk of it.
• 1:13:39
  He he can be elusive as well. He's a little bit more of a
• 1:13:41
  power runner. They run a lot of inside zone
• 1:13:44
  with him, a lot of inside zone counters with some some pulling
• 1:13:47
  tackles and we're able to do that hard nosed runner.
• 1:13:51
  We've seen him take some snaps in the Wildcat, some of our goal
• 1:13:54
  line sets. He's been doing great.
• 1:13:57
  Bryce Duke, I've talked to him a time.
• 1:13:59
  I think I talked to him like a week after he committed to ODU
• 1:14:02
  and and interviewed him. That's actually on our our
• 1:14:03
  YouTube channel for ODU monarchist.
• 1:14:06
  He's gotten some playing time, hasn't found a lot of success
• 1:14:10
  yet. He had a he had a rough fumble
• 1:14:12
  on a a kick return against East Carolina that that hurt us on
• 1:14:17
  Saturday. But I think he's just still
• 1:14:19
  getting a feel for this offense and trying to figure out the O
• 1:14:22
  line in front of them, which I'd say everyone's trying to figure
• 1:14:25
  that out right now. But I think where he's going to
• 1:14:29
  be most useful for us is when he's lined up at running back
• 1:14:32
  and then goes out to the slot. Able to do a lot of stuff in the
• 1:14:35
  short passing game here too. Yeah, he definitely had some
• 1:14:40
  success with us in the passing game, whether it's like a pop
• 1:14:43
  pass or or stuff like that where we could get him the ball in
• 1:14:47
  space between the hashes and let him do some damage there.
• 1:14:50
  So he's definitely a threat from that standpoint.
• 1:14:55
  Before we flip it over, Shelton, do you have anything else on the
• 1:14:57
  running game for for OD you want to throw in here?
• 1:15:01
  Not too much. I know they're they're per rush
• 1:15:05
  averages aren't great Duke around 1 and young around 3.6.
• 1:15:09
  So yeah, I mean, we just know it's you know, they haven't done
• 1:15:14
  much on the ground this year. Again, small sample size
• 1:15:15
  strength this casual. You played a really good South
• 1:15:17
  Carolina team, or at least what I think is a solid South
• 1:15:20
  Carolina team. So I was going to have to kind
• 1:15:22
  of wait and see how the rest of the season plays out.
• 1:15:26
  All right, so let's move it outside.
• 1:15:28
  I know you've already talked a little bit about what they do
• 1:15:30
  from a receiver standpoint. A lot of choice routes.
• 1:15:33
  Some of those you know, delay routes, who are the guys that
• 1:15:37
  are catching the passes out there outside the hashes.
• 1:15:40
  Yeah, Deonte Vines is probably the first one that comes to
• 1:15:43
  mind. He's transferred in from Iowa
• 1:15:45
  last year and we may already have more offense than Iowa had
• 1:15:48
  all of last season. Even though we've been off
• 1:15:50
  awful. He's he's getting to stretch his
• 1:15:52
  legs a little bit with us. He is, as of summer camp, the
• 1:15:56
  fastest player on our team, which is impressive because one
• 1:15:59
  of our other wide receivers was a track star at South Carolina
• 1:16:03
  before coming here and and playing football.
• 1:16:06
  He does a great job of getting in space.
• 1:16:08
  I think he's probably the best on in our receiving corps of
• 1:16:12
  being able to read defenses and make the best decisions in his
• 1:16:15
  choice routes so far. So he's definitely one that to,
• 1:16:18
  to watch out for there. Isaiah Page, he's been with our
• 1:16:21
  program for quite a while. Small, he's like 5657 small,
• 1:16:27
  small guy, but man, he is fast and he is elusive.
• 1:16:30
  Like if, if you're not in front of him, he's he's blowing past
• 1:16:33
  you. He had a, a big game against
• 1:16:35
  South Carolina. I kind of, you know, we, we took
• 1:16:39
  the, we got the opening kick off in that game.
• 1:16:41
  We ran 2 plays, fumble at the seven and then South Carolina
• 1:16:44
  scored on 3rd and goal. So you can just feel the
• 1:16:46
  momentum just fall right out of it.
• 1:16:48
  We get to kick off first play, Isaiah Page busts his corner,
• 1:16:52
  corner falls down and he just goes for like an 80 yard or 75
• 1:16:56
  yard touchdown pass. So he has that big play
• 1:16:58
  potential. He is also a brave soul because
• 1:17:02
  he's the one that will stand all the way on the other side of the
• 1:17:04
  field and catch a screen pass without looking at the
• 1:17:06
  cornerback screaming down on him.
• 1:17:08
  So tough guy. He was a little banged up at
• 1:17:11
  South Carolina. He played the full game when we
• 1:17:12
  had E come to Norfolk, so I really like him, but Kelby
• 1:17:16
  Williams played a good bit for us last year.
• 1:17:19
  He's going to be more of your your far outside receiver.
• 1:17:23
  I think he only had two snaps in the East Carolina game and one
• 1:17:27
  was a a touchdown pass on kind of a busted play and he just
• 1:17:31
  kept going on his deep crosser and was wide open.
• 1:17:33
  So a lot of guys there, no one's really stepped up to be the
• 1:17:36
  number one. Like we don't have the Ollie
• 1:17:38
  Jennings anymore. He would be like the clear
• 1:17:40
  number one guy. But I think that actually makes
• 1:17:42
  us a little more dangerous in the way we run our offense
• 1:17:44
  because you can't just say top corner on top receiver and shut
• 1:17:47
  it down. Makes us a little bit more
• 1:17:49
  dynamic in the receiving core. All right.
• 1:17:54
  Well, that, that's good stuff. Let's talk about some of those
• 1:17:58
  areas of weakness. And I think you've already
• 1:17:59
  really highlighted this pretty, pretty good, but talk a little
• 1:18:03
  bit about what you see going wrong with that offensive line
• 1:18:06
  and what's maybe holding that offense back from taking that
• 1:18:09
  step? Yeah, well we plugged in a lot
• 1:18:11
  of new guys on the offensive line.
• 1:18:13
  We have 3 new starters there. The one you want to watch out
• 1:18:17
  for the most are left guard Zach Barlev was a transfer in from
• 1:18:21
  Illinois. Great guy.
• 1:18:23
  Like if you think of Midwestern offensive lineman, like he is
• 1:18:26
  the the stereotype to AT super nice but mean as hell when he's
• 1:18:31
  on the field. So we've had problems that left
• 1:18:33
  tackle with basically just not having the footwork and the
• 1:18:36
  speed to take care of an edge, not being able to identify
• 1:18:40
  stunts that are that are breaking back to the inside.
• 1:18:43
  I had some issues at right guard, but I think we've we've
• 1:18:45
  shored those up with the new person plugging in there.
• 1:18:48
  I doubt you're going to see the same old line that we saw at
• 1:18:51
  East Carolina or South Carolina. I think there's some some
• 1:18:53
  changes that have been made there.
• 1:18:55
  So you're going to have more new on the field.
• 1:18:57
  So I'm glad this game is in Norfolk and not Blacksburg so
• 1:19:00
  they can actually have a conversation with each other.
• 1:19:04
  Yeah. Like they're they're getting
• 1:19:05
  beat on the outside. And when we adjust to kind of
• 1:19:07
  protect, all right, we're not going to let the edges beat us
• 1:19:09
  around the corner again. They come with a blitz right up
• 1:19:12
  the middle and blaster center right off the ball.
• 1:19:14
  So just really in in the past protection, they're struggling.
• 1:19:18
  We should have run the ball better against East Carolina,
• 1:19:21
  but we didn't have a single situation on the inside zone
• 1:19:24
  where the the running back actually bounced it to the
• 1:19:26
  outside. We should know to do that
• 1:19:29
  because East Carolina did that exact play to us twice for two
• 1:19:32
  of their touchdown runs. But everything was just a gap, a
• 1:19:35
  gap, a gap all day. And it was driving us bananas
• 1:19:38
  sitting in the end zone watching it and seeing it all kind of
• 1:19:41
  unfold in front of us. So there's that.
• 1:19:43
  And then just the the route concepts being called are not
• 1:19:46
  matching the pressure that we're getting.
• 1:19:48
  You know, the easiest way to beat a blitz is to throw the
• 1:19:50
  receivers in the vacated area, right?
• 1:19:52
  We didn't do that once even though ECU was totally fine
• 1:19:56
  showing us exactly what they were going to do on defense.
• 1:19:59
  So offensive line and our offensive line protection
• 1:20:03
  problems are causing receiving problems and vice versa.
• 1:20:05
  So hopefully they're getting that worked out this week,
• 1:20:09
  potentially with a new quarterback.
• 1:20:11
  So that's a whole new wrinkle to this.
• 1:20:13
  I'm sure we'll see some new stuff, but.
• 1:20:15
  Yeah, potentially out starting quarterback, potentially out
• 1:20:19
  starting running back. Our our top tight end who is
• 1:20:22
  like the go juice for our running game who kind of does a
• 1:20:25
  lot to clear holes for us. He hasn't played a snap yet this
• 1:20:28
  season. I doubt he's going to be back on
• 1:20:29
  Saturday. So we've got a £300 offensive
• 1:20:33
  lineman, occasionally we're an 83 and line up at tight end if
• 1:20:36
  you want to see something real fun all.
• 1:20:38
  Right. I do love seeing big boys
• 1:20:40
  outside so I I hope we see at least a little bit of that.
• 1:20:43
  Always fun to hear that. All right, one last question
• 1:20:46
  before we let you get out of here, Gary.
• 1:20:47
  Again, check out Gary ODU Monarchist.
• 1:20:50
  I'm sure they've got a great preview episode for the Hokie.
• 1:20:52
  So if you want to wonder what the ODU fan is thinking about
• 1:20:56
  our Hokies, check out Gary's podcast over on College Huddle
• 1:21:00
  Network. What ingredients could lead to
• 1:21:04
  another Monarcho upset of the visiting Hokie Hokies this
• 1:21:09
  Saturday? Well you already know there's
• 1:21:11
  some voodoo sprinkled in Norfolk when y'all come to town.
• 1:21:14
  Like, weird stuff happens, you get weird games, you get a guy
• 1:21:17
  who's now a pastor throw for like 500 yards.
• 1:21:20
  Elevators. Breakdown elevators.
• 1:21:22
  Breakdown. Yeah, let let me just comment on
• 1:21:25
  that. If you understand what the
• 1:21:27
  weight limits are in an elevator, that will not happen
• 1:21:30
  to you. All right.
• 1:21:32
  Believe it that I I think for ODU on the field, the defense is
• 1:21:36
  going to need to repeat the performances they had against
• 1:21:39
  South Carolina. You all run somewhat similar
• 1:21:43
  offenses with a little bit better you.
• 1:21:45
  You all have the better quarterback at that position.
• 1:21:48
  So we need to repeat performance of that to let our defense keep
• 1:21:51
  us in the game. Offense has to either hit two to
• 1:21:55
  three big shots down the field for touchdowns or actually
• 1:21:58
  develop a short intermediate passing game.
• 1:22:00
  If we do one of those two things on offense, I think we're back
• 1:22:03
  in, we'll be in our, our 14th 1 score game of our last 16 games.
• 1:22:07
  So we'll, I think that'll keep us in it.
• 1:22:09
  So just keep playing tight defense and at some point the
• 1:22:13
  offense has to click with whoever is going to be under
• 1:22:15
  center. But that, that's kind of the,
• 1:22:17
  the key thing. And you know, weird special
• 1:22:19
  teams play would would help as well.
• 1:22:22
  Oh no, you'll never get those down there.
• 1:22:25
  Yeah, let's not snap another one to Williamsburg this time,
• 1:22:28
  please. Oh my gosh.
• 1:22:30
  That had some distance on it, I will say.
• 1:22:32
  Worst snap of that, actually, I'm going to go back.
• 1:22:35
  That might be the worst snap I've ever seen in my life.
• 1:22:37
  I I feel like my kids play in the court in my cul-de-sac here.
• 1:22:41
  I've seen them snap the ball better than that one.
• 1:22:44
  And Brian, me and you, we threw things in this.
• 1:22:47
  This is my man cave. We threw things when that
• 1:22:49
  happened two years ago in this very room.
• 1:22:52
  So. Yeah, I I still couldn't believe
• 1:22:55
  it. Like that's, that's the farthest
• 1:22:56
  I've seen the snap go. So like now I know how far along
• 1:22:58
  snapper can actually snap the ball down the field.
• 1:23:01
  It's not caught. There you go.
• 1:23:04
  Appreciate you coming on with us tonight, Gary.
• 1:23:07
  Like I said, go ahead and shout out your your socials.
• 1:23:10
  Go ahead and shout out your your website and let the folks know
• 1:23:13
  where they can catch you. Yep, at ODU Monarchist for
• 1:23:17
  pretty much all of our social handles, ODU monarchist.com.
• 1:23:21
  Come take a look there. We've got a lot of interesting
• 1:23:24
  stuff there, some good previews. We'll have some other stuff
• 1:23:27
  coming out on there as well leading up to game day.
• 1:23:30
  But appreciate you all having me on.
• 1:23:31
  It was a lot of fun. Are any of you coming down to
• 1:23:33
  Norfolk this weekend? We will not be there this
• 1:23:37
  weekend, but we're hoping for good things for the Hokies.
• 1:23:40
  We've got to got to get that monkey off our back at some
• 1:23:42
  point down there in Norfolk. 100% appreciate it, Gary.
• 1:23:47
  Yeah. Thank you all so much.
• 1:23:48
  Thank you. All right, again, we appreciate
• 1:23:52
  Gary taking a little time out of his evening to join us, give a
• 1:23:56
  little bit more insight on the ODU monarchs.
• 1:24:00
  Again, check him out. Check that out.
• 1:24:02
  Siegel went over there a little earlier this week.
• 1:24:04
  I've had a little conversation with them.
• 1:24:06
  Correct, Sir. No, no.
• 1:24:08
  You didn't. I thought you were you supposed
• 1:24:10
  to. We we, we were talking, but we
• 1:24:12
  never, we never got. Going we'll still go listen to
• 1:24:15
  those guys because clearly I I'll give Gary all credit here,
• 1:24:17
  man, looks like Gary knows his stuff.
• 1:24:20
  Very focused. So probably got a got a lot of
• 1:24:22
  breakdowns of what they're looking at with the potential
• 1:24:26
  with the potential of what could happen to them with the Hokies
• 1:24:28
  coming to town. So again, thanks Gary for that.
• 1:24:31
  And now, boys, let's flip it over.
• 1:24:32
  We got to talk about the Hokie keys and Shelton.
• 1:24:37
  What is some of your keys to a Hokie's victory this week?
• 1:24:41
  Yeah, well, I thought about this question earlier today.
• 1:24:44
  I feel like it'd be the most cliche thing ever to say good up
• 1:24:47
  to a good start, but I guess it applies.
• 1:24:49
  I'll say, I'll say this. I'll say I want to see this team
• 1:24:53
  dominate the line of scrimmage. I mean, we've seen through two
• 1:24:56
  games now. You know, they didn't they
• 1:24:58
  didn't dominate the line of scrimmage against Vanderbilt.
• 1:25:00
  They did for one, but not the first half.
• 1:25:03
  You know, I just think I want to see them just, you know, come
• 1:25:05
  out and punch, punch. Oh, do you right in the nose.
• 1:25:08
  You know, I, I think, you know, if, if Tech is, you know, in a
• 1:25:12
  dog fight with a team like, you know, 10-7 after the first
• 1:25:14
  quarter or 1710 at halftime, like I'm, I'm not going to feel
• 1:25:18
  great. Like I think I, I think how you,
• 1:25:21
  how you look matters even, even if you win.
• 1:25:24
  And I just, I want to see this team really dominate.
• 1:25:27
  I have a stretch where, you know, you score 2-3 touchdowns
• 1:25:30
  in a span of 1/4 and you know, you shut up the other team.
• 1:25:32
  Like we just, we haven't seen this team really dominate and
• 1:25:36
  just bludgeon their opposition for for a long period of time
• 1:25:40
  outside of that one Trish against Vanderbilt.
• 1:25:42
  So yeah, just just win the line of scrimmage when there's one on
• 1:25:45
  1000 trenches. And I think that's going to be
• 1:25:47
  the the recipe for. Success Real quick, I want to
• 1:25:52
  throw tallies in here. Basically, Tally says we've got
• 1:25:55
  to beat the road aggregations and I understand.
• 1:25:58
  I think every single person here understands what that means.
• 1:26:00
  This current coaching Staffs Rd. record is not great.
• 1:26:04
  Let's get one on the board. Let's get the momentum going for
• 1:26:07
  winning the game on the road. That is from my buddy Tally who
• 1:26:10
  is out tonight. Especially on a spot where we
• 1:26:13
  have the last couple trips. Not, not.
• 1:26:15
  Shit to bed. So it's a good.
• 1:26:17
  Fortune man shit to bed. There is nothing else to say.
• 1:26:20
  It's shit to bed. We've shit to bed the last two
• 1:26:22
  times down there. Yeah, What about that?
• 1:26:26
  And that that kind of goes to my point, like we need to beat up
• 1:26:29
  on little brother, right? I mean, we, we said it and we've
• 1:26:31
  talked about it. We we are the flagship football
• 1:26:34
  program in the state of Virginia.
• 1:26:37
  What we should do is any, whether we're playing with
• 1:26:39
  however you feel about this road trip to Norfolk.
• 1:26:43
  And I know a lot of people don't like it and I get that, but we
• 1:26:48
  should not have a problem going down there and handling them for
• 1:26:52
  four quarters. I'm not saying we're going to
• 1:26:54
  put up 50 and shut them out or anything like that, but we
• 1:26:57
  should easily handle this game for four quarters.
• 1:27:01
  Yes, we should. Yes, we should.
• 1:27:03
  By the way, whatever you said was absolute facts.
• 1:27:07
  You spoke to Lavar there for me and I felt like Gary.
• 1:27:13
  I said it to Gary and I'll say it to you all again.
• 1:27:16
  OU is the 102nd ranked rushing defense in the country.
• 1:27:20
  They're giving up almost 180 yards a game.
• 1:27:22
  The rushing offense, we want a quick start, run it down their
• 1:27:26
  throats, run it down their throats.
• 1:27:29
  The second is their rushing offense.
• 1:27:34
  Well, you know, obviously they're missing a starter.
• 1:27:36
  The guy who's starting is effectively the backup.
• 1:27:38
  Yes, you do have Bryce Duke, but still they are not.
• 1:27:42
  They're getting 100 yards a game.
• 1:27:44
  So for our defense, play sound, don't play down.
• 1:27:48
  That goes back to what Brian said and John, kind of what
• 1:27:50
  you're saying to go out there and just beat them up, go play
• 1:27:55
  mean. And I always like this.
• 1:27:57
  And I know Tally, I think Tally coined this a couple probably
• 1:28:01
  last year. Go make them when it turns
• 1:28:04
  through the third quarter. I don't want to be here anymore.
• 1:28:08
  That's what I want to see. I want to see literally head
• 1:28:11
  saying like, man, they going to make business decisions
• 1:28:15
  throughout the game and it's going to be stepping out of our
• 1:28:17
  way. So there it is.
• 1:28:21
  And now we have to do, we always put our names on it.
• 1:28:23
  We always make our predictions. I got a little text from Mr.
• 1:28:28
  Talley a few minutes ago. Tally's feeling a little bit of
• 1:28:33
  a heartburn for this game. He does think the Hokies wins,
• 1:28:37
  but at a 2817 clip. So put that on the board for
• 1:28:42
  Tally. Shelton, what you got?
• 1:28:46
  I'll take Hokies 31 to 10. I think they're they're going to
• 1:28:49
  come out pretty aggressive. Just this is a big opportunity
• 1:28:54
  where you know you have a chance to smack these guys in the
• 1:28:56
  mouth. If we do that, I'm feeling a lot
• 1:28:58
  better about where we are as a program.
• 1:29:00
  If it's dogfight, man, you're you're coming to next week
• 1:29:03
  thinking like, oh, we don't know what this team really is yet.
• 1:29:05
  So I think they'll I think they'll cover.
• 1:29:09
  So yeah, give me, give me Hookes by three touchdowns.
• 1:29:13
  I've got 3 touchdowns as well, but I've got a little bit more
• 1:29:16
  scoring going on both directions.
• 1:29:20
  I've got this one coming out to 3817.
• 1:29:22
  I think this is the week the offense puts the pieces together
• 1:29:26
  and goes up there and score some points for most the better part
• 1:29:30
  of the four quarters that we're going to watch on Saturday at
• 1:29:33
  six PMI think that ODU gets a a touchdown late to kind of make
• 1:29:38
  it make it an interesting little more interesting contest there.
• 1:29:42
  But I think we're able to close it out, put it away. 3817 is
• 1:29:47
  what I got. 3 touchdown victory for the Hokies.
• 1:29:52
  All right. I'm actually not far from any of
• 1:29:56
  y'all whatsoever. I am at Hokies win 3820 and I
• 1:30:02
  get a feeling what what he said about some of their problems
• 1:30:05
  with their rush defense, with their blitzing.
• 1:30:07
  There's going to be some opportunities one-on-one if we
• 1:30:10
  can pass track, get the ball out quick.
• 1:30:12
  I think it's going to be actually kind of a role reversal
• 1:30:15
  of what happened with Marshall. I do think this is the week we
• 1:30:18
  come out quick and 3820, but I think it's one of those games as
• 1:30:23
  we sit in the third quarter, it's like this game's over.
• 1:30:27
  They can't do anything against us.
• 1:30:30
  They're they're not going to be able to come back from this lead
• 1:30:32
  we have built up in the first three, 2 1/2 quarters. 3820
• 1:30:37
  Hokies. All righty, we are gone.
• 1:30:42
  It's time. It is time Week 3 of big
• 1:30:47
  screeners presented by the Counts Family Pharmacy.
• 1:30:50
  You know what we're going to do next year?
• 1:30:51
  We're going to let Jeremy make picks and pick a game.
• 1:30:53
  What do you think about that? Oh shit, can't wait for that.
• 1:31:00
  All right, Is he going to make a video every week like Jason?
• 1:31:03
  Oh, that'd be. Awesome.
• 1:31:06
  About about half bottle into a Jameson's all.
• 1:31:08
  Righty. But hey, probably starting next
• 1:31:11
  week, Blacksburg on the Rocks is probably going to be the lead in
• 1:31:16
  for our show, man. It is.
• 1:31:17
  That's the plan if we can get our crap together over on our
• 1:31:21
  side of the house. But got to get got to get the
• 1:31:23
  kids sports schedules in line here and while in right now.
• 1:31:28
  Is what it is. Can't do much about it.
• 1:31:30
  All right, So we got big screeners, big slate of games
• 1:31:33
  this week, some good games, actually just so many games.
• 1:31:37
  We actually missed a couple like we do not have Alabama,
• 1:31:40
  Wisconsin on here again. We are put that on the board.
• 1:31:48
  Put put that message up real quick.
• 1:31:49
  It was 39 points. It ain't like that thing went to
• 1:31:52
  50. So get your head out of your
• 1:31:54
  ass. Again, again, we said it on
• 1:31:58
  Twitter when when he when he said, hey, you should, you
• 1:32:01
  should have, you should have took the over.
• 1:32:03
  I'm like, bro, you said hammer the over.
• 1:32:05
  You said you didn't say squeak over the over.
• 1:32:09
  You didn't say smoking heaters in the parking lot.
• 1:32:11
  Hoping this hits and over. And it hits 37 with about 8
• 1:32:15
  minutes to go. So yeah, but we got hey.
• 1:32:18
  If if you were betting you made some money, so good on you, yes.
• 1:32:21
  Exactly. Good on you.
• 1:32:22
  Alrighty. But by the way, that is now the
• 1:32:25
  third time in the last 14 games that Iowa's hit the over.
• 1:32:30
  Statistics say bet the under. All right, so let's go to big
• 1:32:35
  screeners. Brian, you're up first.
• 1:32:36
  Where are you heading to for your big screeners game?
• 1:32:39
  Let's go to K State, baby. This is an interesting game for
• 1:32:43
  me. You got Arizona busting into a
• 1:32:47
  new conference. You got K State pretty good
• 1:32:51
  season last year. I kind of think both of these
• 1:32:55
  teams are a little over ranked at this point.
• 1:32:59
  So I'm not really exactly sure what to expect from him, but
• 1:33:03
  it's, you know, it's 7 1/2 points there for K State.
• 1:33:06
  I'm going to take that. I think K State wins this by
• 1:33:09
  about 10. So give me K State here.
• 1:33:13
  This game is Friday night 8:00, so definitely 1.
• 1:33:16
  You can just sit down and enjoy without looking at 50 other
• 1:33:20
  games. And I am right with you Brian.
• 1:33:23
  I am laying that 7 1/2. I think the war that they got
• 1:33:27
  down at 2 lane last week where they barely squeaked by the
• 1:33:30
  Green Wave. I think that woke up Kansas
• 1:33:33
  State. I think Arizona is going to
• 1:33:35
  tumble to earth. Remember it was the Jet Fish
• 1:33:38
  program last year. Jed's up at Washington now and
• 1:33:41
  going into the little Apple of Manhattan, KS.
• 1:33:45
  I think the Wildcats win this one pretty comfortably.
• 1:33:48
  What about you, Sheldon? Yeah, I'm taking Arizona to
• 1:33:53
  cover. I I Kansas State was in a
• 1:33:55
  dogfight last week with Tulane. I agree with Brian, both teams
• 1:33:58
  probably overrated and I think it's a Friday night game and
• 1:34:02
  sometimes weird stuff happens on Friday nights.
• 1:34:03
  So I'll take the cats to cover all.
• 1:34:06
  Right, the Cats to cover Friday 8:00 Kansas State 14.
• 1:34:10
  Arizona is number 20. I am driving this week.
• 1:34:15
  Let's go down to Winston Salem. Hey, we got to get the other
• 1:34:18
  three in here. Bud.
• 1:34:19
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Tally Arizona.
• 1:34:21
  Sorry, man. When nobody's here, I forget.
• 1:34:23
  You're good. Hey, rarely do we have three of
• 1:34:26
  us here now read off the other 3.
• 1:34:30
  So hey, I'll let it slide this time.
• 1:34:33
  Tally's got Arizona, we got Miranda riding with K State, and
• 1:34:36
  Jason is also riding. With Kansas State, but we're all
• 1:34:40
  on the Wildcats this week. Here we go.
• 1:34:42
  All right, now let's go down to Winston Salem.
• 1:34:45
  Lane Kiffin and Jackson Dark come in to visit the Wake Forest
• 1:34:50
  Demon Deacons, who are basically coming off an absolute choke job
• 1:34:54
  versus the Wahoos last week in UVA.
• 1:34:59
  What a line. This is 23 1/2 points.
• 1:35:04
  That is a monster to lay. So Brian, I will kick to you
• 1:35:09
  first. Are you laying that many points?
• 1:35:13
  Give it to me, baby. Wake to me answered the
• 1:35:17
  questions that I had of can this team run it for four quarters?
• 1:35:21
  Can they keep up with the team that can throw it, throw the
• 1:35:24
  ball around a little bit. They showed me they could do it
• 1:35:27
  for a little bit. UVA came back in the end, pulled
• 1:35:30
  the upset there. Wake had had a couple problems
• 1:35:34
  on offense that kind of turned that game late.
• 1:35:38
  I think Ole Miss is just going to be too much for him.
• 1:35:41
  I think it's going to be about a 28 point win.
• 1:35:43
  SO4 touchdown victory for the. Ribs, all right.
• 1:35:48
  And again, with this being my game, I'm taking Ole Miss as
• 1:35:53
  well. I think that offense is going to
• 1:35:56
  probably score every time they touch the ball.
• 1:35:58
  I think it's going to be an entertaining game.
• 1:36:00
  You like offense between Clawson's mesh and then in Lane
• 1:36:04
  Kiffin's offense. Buckle up.
• 1:36:06
  Probably a big over in this situation, but I'm with you,
• 1:36:10
  Brian. I think it's eventually Ole Miss
• 1:36:12
  being the deeper, being the more talented team.
• 1:36:14
  They slowly pull away at the end and it's probably going to be
• 1:36:18
  about 28. Sheldon, what about you?
• 1:36:22
  Boy, 23 1/2, that's a lot of points.
• 1:36:24
  I think Ole Miss wins comfortably, but I think Wake
• 1:36:27
  Forest can score just enough to cover.
• 1:36:30
  All righty, what else we got? Tally is riding with you again,
• 1:36:34
  Sheldon, I think. I think he's fully subscribing
• 1:36:36
  to. If Sheldon's got them, I'm
• 1:36:38
  rolling. He's jumping in the car with.
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  Sheldon, I was. I was good last week.
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  Yeah, yeah, we didn't. You didn't put that up.
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  I threw it at you. I threw it at you.
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  Let me I I can, I can pull it back up here in a second.
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  Pull that back up. I felt good about last week.
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  Actually, most of us had good. Nobody did awful last week.
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  Nobody did awful. Last week, All right, Miranda
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  riding with Wake as well. Jason with me and Brian laying a
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  lot of points. Saturday night 630 on the CWI.
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  Wonder if they'll have the chopper down at Wake Stadium
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  this week. So that will definitely be on
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  the second screen here in the Wilson Man cave.
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  All righty. What did Tally go?
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  Oh, no. Shelton.
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  Shelton, Shelton, you're up next.
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  Shelton, where are you going? I'm going to the site of game
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  day. LSU and USC EI think it's to be
• 1:37:28
  a pretty interesting game. Kind of an upstart South
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  Carolina team. They've got a really good pass
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  rush, defense looking pretty solid, but LSU good as well.
• 1:37:37
  I'm taking LSU in this one purely based off vibes.
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  I think South Carolina is going to be a little bit too hyped up
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  with college game day being in town.
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  I think they're in for they're due for a let down game, so I
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  will take LSU. I'm riding with LSU as well,
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  Sheldon. I, I, I've just, I'm not sold on
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  South Carolina being more than a six or seven win team in the
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  SEC. So I, I think this is a game
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  that circumstances the line where there weren't a ton of
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  compelling matchups. Like the, the best ranked
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  matchup you had this week is for a team that just joined a, a
• 1:38:17
  conference that, that you that we let off with there.
• 1:38:20
  So there wasn't a lot of history, wasn't a lot of super
• 1:38:22
  compelling ranked matchups. I feel like this kind of fell in
• 1:38:25
  their laps a little bit. But I I like LSU in this one.
• 1:38:28
  Probably at least 2 touchdowns. All righty, this one is ABC 12.
• 1:38:36
  I will have no shot of sitting with it watching this one
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  because I will be at the baseball field at about 10:00.
• 1:38:41
  My cousin and his son are going to absolutely hate me.
• 1:38:45
  My cousin is a South Carolina alum.
• 1:38:47
  His son is a sophomore down there.
• 1:38:50
  I told him like he's telling he's got to go.
• 1:38:52
  Like he's just got to go. It is one of the most
• 1:38:54
  unbelievable experience you've ever been to.
• 1:38:56
  But unfortunately, when I make a bet, I got to do it the right
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  way, not where the heart is. LSU wins big, and here's the big
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  reason why. The defense, you keep a Lincoln
• 1:39:08
  Riley offense under 30 points, you're doing good things.
• 1:39:14
  And I don't think South Carolina's got anywhere near
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  that type of offensive talent. You know, 21, I don't know,
• 1:39:24
  2427, you know, 14, something like that.
• 1:39:30
  We got Shelton on there. We got his LSU pick.
• 1:39:32
  Tally. Literally Tally is just riding
• 1:39:36
  with Shelton. Miranda throwing her throwing
• 1:39:41
  her money behind the the Gamecocks there.
• 1:39:44
  She's she's on the Shane train this.
• 1:39:46
  Week and then we got Jason riding with the Tigers.
• 1:39:49
  I do have an update here for us on how we did last week.
• 1:39:54
  I got four out of the six. Curtis, you also got four out of
• 1:39:58
  the six. Tally 4 out of the six, Sheldon,
• 1:40:01
  five of six. Good week for Sheldon.
• 1:40:04
  Miranda right on right on the 50% there.
• 1:40:07
  Three out of the six. Jason the The Gambling
• 1:40:11
  guitarist, only two, two, only two.
• 1:40:15
  He he did get the money picked though, So he did get the money.
• 1:40:19
  We'll give him that. We'll give him that.
• 1:40:20
  That is correct. All right, Even though Tally's
• 1:40:23
  not here. Tally's taking us out to
• 1:40:25
  Columbia, MO, where the This is a rank matchup.
• 1:40:30
  This is where I thought they were going to go.
• 1:40:33
  This is where I thought game day was going to go was Columbia,
• 1:40:36
  MO, not Columbia South Carolina, but you got a rank match up with
• 1:40:42
  BC and Missouri. 1245 SEC Network.
• 1:40:50
  Mizzou is laying 17 points. What do you got on this one,
• 1:40:56
  Brian? You know what?
• 1:41:00
  I've I've liked what I've seen from BC and I think for this
• 1:41:04
  one, for me, with that Bill O'Brien LED BC team, it's not so
• 1:41:07
  much that I think they're going to go down there and give
• 1:41:10
  Missouri a ton of problems. It's that that 17 is too damn
• 1:41:13
  big for me to take with the way I've seen BC play so far.
• 1:41:17
  So I'll take BC and that that 17.
• 1:41:22
  Yeah, I'm with you. I'm it's, it's more of who the
• 1:41:24
  coach is right now at BC with Bill O'Brien.
• 1:41:28
  I don't think he's going to let his team get blown out by that
• 1:41:31
  much. And obviously we saw them have
• 1:41:34
  significant success against FSU, so I think they do have some
• 1:41:39
  confidence going down there. I don't, I don't think they can
• 1:41:41
  pull the upset, but I do think a lot closer than the 17 that the
• 1:41:45
  experts think. John, what you?
• 1:41:48
  Got I, I am. I am with both of you guys, I
• 1:41:51
  think. I think Mizzou is actually
• 1:41:53
  legitimately they are a top ten team for sure, no doubt.
• 1:41:56
  But that 17 was just a little bit too much for me.
• 1:42:00
  You're good. You're not 17 points good, by
• 1:42:02
  the way. Just go boom, boom, boom, boom
• 1:42:06
  boom. This is the consensus pick this
• 1:42:08
  week. Everybody's ride with the
• 1:42:11
  Eagles, man. Everybody's ride six complete.
• 1:42:13
  Soaring personalities. Soaring with the fucking Eagles.
• 1:42:16
  6 completely different career paths. 6 completely different
• 1:42:20
  locations. We're all riding with the
• 1:42:24
  Eagles. Lay the 17 and hold on.
• 1:42:28
  All righty Miranda, we should have let her announce this
• 1:42:30
  earlier. She is going down to the swamp
• 1:42:33
  with the the Florida Gators in the Texas A&M Aggies.
• 1:42:38
  Aggies. Is that up there Brian?
• 1:42:40
  I don't see. There we go.
• 1:42:41
  Aggies are a A4 point favorite. So, Gators getting points at
• 1:42:50
  home, something you rarely, rarely see.
• 1:42:55
  Brian, where are you on this one?
• 1:42:58
  There's a reason for it. That Florida team has looked
• 1:43:00
  like dog shit so far in the 2024 campaign.
• 1:43:05
  And I think it continues. And I think this is a game where
• 1:43:07
  we figure out if, you know, Notre Dame is thrown out one
• 1:43:13
  great game and one dud or whether A&M is just not that
• 1:43:18
  great of a team. I I think they're going to prove
• 1:43:20
  that there's, you know, they're a little bit more than than that
• 1:43:23
  first game showed. So I'm going to take A&M to win
• 1:43:26
  by about a touchdown here. I'm, I'm, I'm with you.
• 1:43:31
  I'm definitely going to lay the points here, give Florida the
• 1:43:34
  four points just of where they are vibe wise.
• 1:43:38
  I think A&M yet they lost to Notre Dame.
• 1:43:41
  I think still, I think Elkos are good enough to coach to turn
• 1:43:44
  them around. I think this is the one that it
• 1:43:48
  doesn't set the chair on fire, but they're dumping the gasoline
• 1:43:51
  on the chair after this week for Billy Napier.
• 1:43:54
  I think I think A&M wins. Give me something like a like a
• 1:44:00
  27 to 17 game. Like it's one of those it's
• 1:44:05
  probably not going to be in doubt the whole way for A&M.
• 1:44:08
  So, but probably entertaining 2717 Gators Shelton.
• 1:44:15
  Yeah, I like A and MI, just think I like Alpho.
• 1:44:18
  I think they've just got too much talent on that roster not
• 1:44:20
  to start, you know, putting it together eventually.
• 1:44:22
  So I think this will be the start of a start of a good run
• 1:44:25
  for them all. Right tally, Tally's rod.
• 1:44:30
  With A&M and then we got the two Gators on the tail in there with
• 1:44:34
  Miranda and Jason. They're saying home game in the
• 1:44:37
  Swamp with the Gators given 4 points.
• 1:44:40
  Looks like they're riding with that.
• 1:44:41
  They're riding with the swamp effect.
• 1:44:43
  They're riding with the swamp effect all righty, so our
• 1:44:47
  gambling guitarist this week is taking it to Tallahassee.
• 1:44:52
  Well, since my baby left found new place to dwell.
• 1:45:19
  Welcome back to another week of guitar licks and gambling picks.
• 1:45:23
  I'm Jason Long. We got the dub last week when
• 1:45:25
  the Vols rolled over the Wolfpack.
• 1:45:28
  Looking to keep that street going down in Tallahassee when
• 1:45:30
  Memphis takes on Florida State. Now, Memphis might be the home
• 1:45:34
  of the King, but the Seminoles are the ones who have been
• 1:45:37
  living in Heartbreak Hotel lately.
• 1:45:39
  Haven't started the season. Oh, and two.
• 1:45:41
  And things don't get easier this week when Memphis comes to town.
• 1:45:44
  They're probably the best team they've played yet.
• 1:45:46
  It's possible the Tigers head back to Bill St.
• 1:45:50
  Three and oh, so I'm taking Memphis plus 6 1/2 on the road
• 1:45:54
  this week against Florida State. All righty, there is Jason.
• 1:46:31
  Obviously Jason with his rendition of Heartbreak Hotel by
• 1:46:35
  the late, great Elvis Presley is going Memphis.
• 1:46:38
  Give him the points. Brian, you riding with the
• 1:46:41
  guitar man are you? Are you pushing him off to the
• 1:46:44
  side? I'm going with the Fighting
• 1:46:47
  Silver fields out there in Memphis.
• 1:46:49
  You have to, right? You have to, right?
• 1:46:52
  You can't. I mean, you got to tell a little
• 1:46:53
  back story here. So when I was a a young buck
• 1:46:58
  just starting college, there was this this very, very young
• 1:47:02
  assistant on our on our team working with the DNS freshman
• 1:47:08
  year out there. I got to play a lot of scout
• 1:47:10
  team, got to know him pretty well.
• 1:47:12
  And that guy's now the head coach of the Memphis Tigers, Ron
• 1:47:15
  Silverfield. So really good guy, really good
• 1:47:18
  coach. And even at the young age of I
• 1:47:21
  think it was like 21 or 22 at the time, he was had just either
• 1:47:25
  just graduated or was was graduating that year from
• 1:47:29
  Hamden. Sydney was already a very good
• 1:47:31
  coach and and we see where his careers went since then.
• 1:47:34
  So give me them Memphis Tigers. Yeah, and I'm right with you on
• 1:47:39
  this. Give me the Tigers as well just
• 1:47:40
  because of what we have seen from FSU the first two weeks.
• 1:47:44
  They just had a bye week. That's all good and well.
• 1:47:47
  But if DJ you still a quarterback and they had haven't
• 1:47:50
  fixed any of those issues, take the points because I think
• 1:47:55
  Memphis could win this game outright and send the Seminoles
• 1:47:58
  to O and three. When I when I pick games, I tend
• 1:48:04
  to favorite teams that have dealt with some adversity,
• 1:48:08
  especially early in the year. You know, they're they're kind
• 1:48:09
  of frustrated because I think they're going to bounce back.
• 1:48:12
  In this case, I think MSC would definitely bounce back.
• 1:48:15
  They will cover. I think they win by a pretty
• 1:48:16
  comfortable margin here. So I got the noise.
• 1:48:18
  I think they're going to, they're going to come out pretty
• 1:48:20
  pissed off. They heard the noise, they heard
• 1:48:21
  the criticism and they're going to respond on Saturday.
• 1:48:25
  All right, and Tally and Miranda got on the bus with Shelton and
• 1:48:30
  obviously us Halifax boys are riding together tonight.
• 1:48:36
  So there's big screens. Let's put the big board up
• 1:48:38
  there. Yeah, there it is.
• 1:48:41
  There it is. There it is.
• 1:48:43
  Who who did the best tonight, Y'all, y'all, y'all drop a
• 1:48:47
  comment in there. Hit us up on Twitter.
• 1:48:49
  Let us know who you think has the best big board heading into
• 1:48:53
  the weekend. Well, this is great, Brian.
• 1:48:56
  It's it's it's the Shelton tally combo and against me and you
• 1:48:59
  because look at that board exact same minds.
• 1:49:06
  The question is, which great minds?
• 1:49:08
  This week we shall find out. From and, you know, and, and
• 1:49:10
  maybe Miranda comes out on top because she's the only one I
• 1:49:13
  think with a couple left field picks compared to, to most
• 1:49:15
  everybody else there. So.
• 1:49:17
  She pivoted on a couple of them and so we will see.
• 1:49:20
  All right. Anything coming across the wire,
• 1:49:24
  Coming across the Twittersphere, coming across the Anything in
• 1:49:27
  the last few minutes, last few hours here.
• 1:49:30
  Hey, we're all set, man. I think we're ready to punch it.
• 1:49:32
  All righty. Well, that does wrap up this
• 1:49:35
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• 1:50:11
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• 1:50:16
  we have loved. I've known Jason since the 4th
• 1:50:19
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• 1:50:22
  as I've known Siegel. And Siegel, you've known him as
• 1:50:24
  long as you've known me. So he's our boy.
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  He plays and plays his out. We love him.
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  So, as always, let's go. Hokey.
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  The.