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EP177 - The Hunger Games - The Mockingjay Part 2 · Thirsty For More - Movie Review

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  Speaker 2: With it, but.
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  Speaker 1: more helpful than some euro guy that sounds like.
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  Speaker 3: This side of that.
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  Speaker 1: Very compassionate in camera footage, Are you guys feeling ready?
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  Speaker 3: Check in to your checks?
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  Speaker 1: Everything's good, just talking to the microphone.
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  Speaker 4: Alrighty cleaning my glasses.
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  Speaker 1: If you said, you said, what are you? Are you
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  Speaker 1: looking up like tips and tricks.
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  Speaker 3: Here now, it's just I saw a thing that was
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  Speaker 3: like putting on a new lens on a camcorder from
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  Speaker 3: Back to nighty three.
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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Hungary for more. I of course,
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  Speaker 1: i'm your host Malenko.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm Alex and I'm Ana.
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  Speaker 1: Meet you, and today we're going to talk about Hunger
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  Speaker 1: Games Part four, Mocking Jay Parts two, Part.
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  Speaker 3: Time, You're a teacher part time?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, I mean Peter Malark, Guys, Peter Malark.
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  Speaker 1: This is all I have to say all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the best star of the movie.
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  Speaker 4: Is literally the star of this movie.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, he gets he gets so much
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  Speaker 3: of the the proper.
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  Speaker 1: Arc.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the proper amount of like capture analysis exactly, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's great, he's great, he's great.
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  Speaker 1: Like, okay, okay, so I like, before we before we start.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Twenty fifteen's the mocking Ja Part two?
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  Speaker 1: Is it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And yeah next year?
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  Speaker 3: What ten years old?
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  Speaker 1: Next year? That's wild?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, twenty fifteen doesn't feel doesn't feel doesn't feel
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  Speaker 3: ten years ago? No?
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  Speaker 4: Oh not at all.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, No, it's very weird because three years were
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  Speaker 1: like zapped from us, like just like that.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like twenty thirteen feels like ten years ago.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I agree, I agree.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. Oh my god, and it
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  Speaker 3: is let's just say that I'm thirty three now.
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  Speaker 1: I've reset my age. What is age but a construct?
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  Speaker 4: Man?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: This movie, I really really enjoyed it this time around.
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  Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of like rich thematic
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  Speaker 1: stuff for us to unpack, especially in relation to our
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  Speaker 1: conversation about the last movie, because I really think this
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  Speaker 1: one like actually like delivers on a button, number of buttons.
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  Speaker 1: I was reading a couple of like reviews online that
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  Speaker 1: were very disparaging at this movie. They were like, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like actually a huge fan of all of the
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  Speaker 1: other ones, but this one really fucked the story up,
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  Speaker 1: and I was.
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  Speaker 3: Like, what, this one's easily my second favorite.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, what interesting take that is that?
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  Speaker 1: That that this movie fucked up somehow? I really don't
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  Speaker 1: think so. I think it's a matter of perspective though,
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  Speaker 1: because we'll go through it, and we'll go through why
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  Speaker 1: Piete is the main character of the movie. But but
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  Speaker 1: but like, I think it's interesting. I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: reason there. People didn't want Hemsworth to get as cocked
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  Speaker 1: as he did. I think maybe you think that was
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  Speaker 1: the reason.
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  Speaker 4: I felt like I was, yeah, like this time around
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  Speaker 4: this movie, I was like, oh, I'm back.
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  Speaker 1: It delivered me.
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  Speaker 4: I'm back, Like I I love this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm back too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: All the intert like especially I think Snow especially in
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  Speaker 3: this one, was fucking because the amount of like what
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  Speaker 3: am I gonna.
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  Speaker 1: Do, but also still remaining kind of like, well, you
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  Speaker 1: wanted this, Yeah, totally, you wanted this. I told you,
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  Speaker 1: I told you, we'll get to it. We'll get he
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  Speaker 1: told her.
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  Speaker 3: He did. He totally did.
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  Speaker 5: He was right, Hillary Clinton, and do nothing.
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  Speaker 3: To start World War three?
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  Speaker 1: And she did, she did, she did. We're on our way.
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  Speaker 1: We're well on our way.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't start anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: I'll take care of it. Bring me four more years,
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  Speaker 1: I'll take care of it all. Yeah. I think I think.
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  Speaker 4: Joy, the sort of joy that he had, and I
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  Speaker 4: think America being very messy, and but also like the
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  Speaker 4: joy he had of being correct.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that's yes, that's why. That's why Snow's been
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  Speaker 3: my favorite character.
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  Speaker 1: You know, boring parts, your favorite president.
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  Speaker 3: He's my favorite president. I gotta say president.
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  Speaker 1: In this series.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so glad presidents.
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  Speaker 1: Just wait because no, please, please please just wait. Because
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  Speaker 1: the way, the way that the next movie is also
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  Speaker 1: a sequel while being a prequel.
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  Speaker 3: Don't tell me anything. Don't tell me anything. Okay, hold on,
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  Speaker 3: should we go? How do we want to go?
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's start. Let's get through it. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about the themes as we go.
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  Speaker 3: Because she's she's in the I see you trying to
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  Speaker 3: say her name, and that was done so so well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: she did a really good job. And the fact that
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  Speaker 3: his name, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Pluetark, Plutarch has such the
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  Speaker 3: such the perfect ending arc because he's what they.
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  Speaker 1: Digitally reinformed in the movie.
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  Speaker 3: They they pulled him back so much from the movie
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  Speaker 3: in the perfect way that the other ones pushed him
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  Speaker 3: forward because it was like, okay, like because he knows,
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  Speaker 3: he knows too, and he's hyping catness up to do it.
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  Speaker 4: The way he does too because he.
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  Speaker 1: You know what he is.
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  Speaker 3: He feels it feels like he is the Bertie Sanders
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  Speaker 3: sitting curmudgeonly while Hillary Clinton wins and doesn't doesn't support
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  Speaker 3: her throughout the movie, and it feels like.
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  Speaker 4: And it makes sense with the with the previous movie
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  Speaker 4: in the way that he's kind of like like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I've created a monster, Like he's kind of starting to
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  Speaker 4: be afraid of what's going on in the session, but
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  Speaker 4: he's not saying anything to anyone.
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  Speaker 1: But he's reacting bold choice of the movie to allow
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  Speaker 1: for that to be unspoken. Ye for the whole movie
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  Speaker 1: except at the end. I've gotten message from talk.
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  Speaker 3: But that's even better because I don't know, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, can you just acknowledge that that was a good? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: They had to, Like I think he was like they
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  Speaker 1: had scenes that they had filmed, and so they were
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  Speaker 1: able to sort of cleverly write around it. Even if
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  Speaker 1: you notice it's a little weird in the last scene
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  Speaker 1: that he appears, he kind of just like magically is
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  Speaker 1: looking and it looks like he's like just digitally projected.
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  Speaker 4: It was just the previously. Also, this is I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: we haven't checked. This might be a speculation because like
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  Speaker 4: at the end of the movie, his name is not
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  Speaker 4: in Square and Square, So I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: So it could be. It could be that it was
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  Speaker 3: just like they wrote it in that way.
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  Speaker 1: Could be thelutark.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that. I don't think Hedge would read
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  Speaker 4: his fucking letter. I think he would deliver, would deliver
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  Speaker 4: it tons.
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  Speaker 3: It could be. But the thing is, you also they
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  Speaker 3: also have to engage with the fact that she's a
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  Speaker 3: criminal and that they're gonna have to party.
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  Speaker 1: I will give her a full.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's the thing, like in order for it
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  Speaker 3: still makes sense. It's still makes such, it.
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  Speaker 4: Makes sense, and I can't believe we're starting from the end.
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  Speaker 3: But let's let's go in ready, Okay, I was going
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  Speaker 3: to use that line.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I couldn't help myself.
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  Speaker 4: Remember, I mean, it's such a dark line.
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  Speaker 3: Though it's such a dark line, it's good that he
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  Speaker 3: said no, I still turn on him.
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  Speaker 1: I think it would have been best if it come
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  Speaker 1: from Plutarch himself.
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  Speaker 3: Let me let me just tell you something. I recently
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  Speaker 3: heard about this story about a guy. Uh this will
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  Speaker 3: I swear this soul bring it back. It's gonna get
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  Speaker 3: dark again. But there was a guy on YouTube who
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  Speaker 3: uploaded a video of his dad. He cut his dad's
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  Speaker 3: head off because his dad took the vaccine. Excuse me,
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  Speaker 3: his dad took the vaccine, so he fucking chopped his
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  Speaker 3: head off. The reason I say that is because Leo
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  Speaker 3: I was like. I was like, like, I had an impulse,
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  Speaker 3: wait till Papa gets up. I had an impulse. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, like, I want to see I want to
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  Speaker 3: see it so bad. I see yeah, the video. I
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  Speaker 3: still want to see it because of my old dark
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  Speaker 3: days of exposing myself. But but I saw when Goodafi died.
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  Speaker 3: I saw what happened to him, and it was fun
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  Speaker 3: like I saw it like I.
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  Speaker 1: Actually didn't see it, So I'm like kind.
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  Speaker 4: I saw parts of it, and then I stopped and yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a little bit like it is edgy of
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  Speaker 1: me and like kind of like jarring to say something
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  Speaker 1: like that for sure, but he did get like that,
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  Speaker 1: going to.
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  Speaker 3: Be like the the it's edgy to not have seen it,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah, it's pretty edgy to not see those.
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  Speaker 4: Kinds of I mean, I would say it's edgy to
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  Speaker 4: not see it and then use the line.
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  Speaker 1: Because at least I need to know confront what I'm exactly,
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: whereas Dead Eyed and alex.
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  Speaker 4: Air, I mean, I've I've seen Hey, I'm Eastern European.
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  Speaker 4: I get to be dark as my character.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of Dead Eyed, we get Primrose going in to
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  Speaker 3: see uh Peta in order to try and sort of
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  Speaker 3: give him an opportunity to have some stability in his
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  Speaker 3: life and see somebody that he recognizes without it being Catnus,
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: because it's clear that that Catess is his trigger so
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  Speaker 3: that he freaks out and kills her man.
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  Speaker 1: The role that Andrea prim had in this.
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  Speaker 3: Was totally I thought the exact same thing. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: who is this is so familiar?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The way that she did such a great job in
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  Speaker 1: like appearing in a couple of scenes and like they
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  Speaker 1: tried the tooth with Primrose, but in like a kind
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  Speaker 1: of a good way, in a way that she had
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: been set up enough. And the fact that this movie
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: sort of like is part of an existing anthology actually
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  Speaker 1: does its service. It's not really it's not really a sequel.
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  Speaker 1: It is. It is a sequel. It's a direct sequel
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  Speaker 1: to the previous movie. But like it's like the whole
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  Speaker 1: movie is structured anthologically, so it doesn't feel like it's part.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like it's a book. Oh okay, and that's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say, And so like it. I
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  Speaker 1: think it does service to the viewer because it leans
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  Speaker 1: into the lore most heavily, and each movie kind of
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  Speaker 1: justifies the previous one because they'll start in inserting the
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  Speaker 1: reference that further laurifies what you already know has happened.
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  Speaker 1: And so when things are introduced, like Mutts, for instance, you're.
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  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I was gonna say that, Yeah, that was
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  Speaker 4: very interesting because when I first time watched that movie,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, MutS, who are Mutts? I don't think
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  Speaker 4: they've mentioned, but they did. They set it up so much,
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  Speaker 4: and the first one with the dogs, and yeah, throughout
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  Speaker 4: it this was just the first time that they were
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  Speaker 4: referring the godulents or people as MutS, right that have
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  Speaker 4: been somehow altered by the state.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and also having uh, pet be so
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  Speaker 3: brainwashed that only the only one thing in his life
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  Speaker 3: now is the thing that that they took away from him,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and there they've guided it, that anchor of
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  Speaker 3: taking it away into the same person that they took away.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah what Yeah, don't you think it's so interesting and
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: amazing how the first time you thought Peter was an
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  Speaker 4: exceptional character in the first movie is when he says,
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  Speaker 4: I just don't want them to change me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that, you said, Yeah, yeah, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: And they did.
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  Speaker 3: They robbed him, they.
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  Speaker 4: Did changed his biggest fear. And isn't how nicely.
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  Speaker 3: Woven that is totally totally it's uh, it's yeah, it's exactly.
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  Speaker 4: The thing that it's like nineteen eighty four, they took
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  Speaker 4: away your like the self that it is, and like,
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  Speaker 4: oh yeah I love them now, oh yeah, I hate
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  Speaker 4: catness now. They literally took his selfhood away from him,
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  Speaker 4: which is that's why he's the best character in this movie.
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  Speaker 3: I agree for sure, in this movie, No.
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  Speaker 1: I think catness is still the best. But but Peter
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  Speaker 1: doesn't need to be as good as he. It's you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's what's exciting about especially that
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  Speaker 1: is always delivering and what.
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  Speaker 4: Did you say, especially with that face.
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  Speaker 3: But then but then when you see it and then
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's like Hunger Games Mocking j
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  Speaker 3: part two.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: It's open, Yeah, totally, totally. It's it's such a nice
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  Speaker 3: cold open. And then uh, she goes to see Madam Clinton.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Uh, she loves the hot sauce in this movie. She
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: just carries it in her everywhere she goes.
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  Speaker 4: It was something that you always carry with you hot sauce.
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  Speaker 6: Really yeah, information right now, and the cutting of the
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  Speaker 6: hair later on to be even more Clinton.
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  Speaker 4: Is so to say, we totally wanted to wait until
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  Speaker 4: the end for that. But the pantsuit, it looks like
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  Speaker 4: combination of Hillary Clinton and what's her fucking face Millennia
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  Speaker 4: Trump at the inauguration with the baby blue kind of
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: hands sticking out of the thing. Like I know it
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  Speaker 4: was fucking on purpose. Like I know, it's two fifteen,
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  Speaker 4: it hasn't happened yet, but it's like.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: You think maybe they were referencing Millennia in the movie.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think it's interesting, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: get to it because we are jumping ahead again. But
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  Speaker 1: the ending is really like it was so exciting, it's
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  Speaker 1: so good. It's rarely do you get an ending this good.
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  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton is like adopts more the style of the
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  Speaker 1: Capitol when she gets there. And I think that's another
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: sort of like interesting about.
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  Speaker 4: It in the way it was made is because we
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: know about her only what Cadness knows about her. She's
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: like such a like side character that she's super like
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  Speaker 4: blank canvas, like we have nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, especially at the beginning of her the introduction
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  Speaker 3: of her and we're given we're taken in with goodwill
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  Speaker 3: based on Philip Seymour Hoffman's exactly being like, this is
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  Speaker 3: the revolution, this is the the this is what's She's
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  Speaker 3: great exactly exactly. But he's also playing he's also playing
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  Speaker 3: another side to constantly. He definitely he.
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  Speaker 1: Was like he's a game maker. He's like Himmler exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, and Googles, I'm not sure what was the minister
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  Speaker 3: is he is he? And but this is this was
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: the scene that I think you mentioned last time when
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: couch Hemsworth and Catnus are like kissing each other and
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: he's like, bro, like what are you doing doing? Like
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: are you serious? Like this such a I feel like
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: cuck Hemsworth is like, I'm done. I think I'm done.
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  Speaker 4: I think It's what's interesting and what happens in this
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  Speaker 4: movie is how their pats diverge, diverge in such a
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  Speaker 4: strong way of like kind of yeah, like what's your drive?
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  Speaker 4: Like who are you as a person? And because they
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: had different faiths, faiths faiths, he's he has a mission
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  Speaker 4: now he's a true soldier. Like the fact that the
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  Speaker 4: District twelve was destroyed, he was like, that's his fight. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: And it sort of shows his character is also amazing,
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  Speaker 4: like it shows how soldiers are made.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And we get indications throughout that his sort of
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  Speaker 1: like their their moral compasses are also diverging, because she
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: still cares about the people in her life and at
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  Speaker 1: this point the people in her life kind of prophetically
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  Speaker 1: because she I keep going, going, jumping ahead, but like
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  Speaker 1: she loses Primrose spoiler alert, and so what does she
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  Speaker 1: have left now? That's who she was fighting for.
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  Speaker 4: No, But that happens at the end, what happens to
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  Speaker 4: him and he lost everything before you know, he stopped
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  Speaker 4: being the figure that's a protector of catness. He lost
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  Speaker 4: that because he couldn't do it. He couldn't and that's
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  Speaker 4: what he says. Also, it was my job, and I
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: couldn't do it, So his fight became a different fight.
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  Speaker 3: Something that's really interesting that I noticed. I was watching
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: like some YouTube video or something, and they pointed out
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: something about this movie, not about this movie, but about
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: like political figures that are less in politics themselves. But
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: are people who are give me a remember, like public intellectuals. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and and why a lot of people who are you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, Peterson and and stuff, less so in that mold.
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  Speaker 3: But yes, public intellectuals like that, but public intellectuals who
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: fall like Christopher Hitchens, who falls from going into like
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: coming from a Marxist tradition ending up being a neocon
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  Speaker 3: by the end, like people who they themselves they kind
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  Speaker 3: of need a radical politics in order to feel like
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  Speaker 3: they're worth something or survive in something. Yeah. So the
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  Speaker 3: idea that Catnus has to live in this complex world
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  Speaker 3: of like needing to find a not in between the
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: two powers, but sort of understanding that this woman, Hillary Clinton,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: is going to become the new Snow. She has to
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: kind of live with that, whereas this notion that you know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: coming from poverty intense like like living in the system
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: that couch Hemsworth lives in, he kind of has to
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: find another politics that makes him feel the way he
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: did before, like a radical politic.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Interesting, which is he's gotten radically. He's there.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we we see the end result of that, which
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: is him becoming a.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Soldier and he's but but he was also there when
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: his entire city was level yeah.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: And at the same time, he was always wanted to fight,
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Like even in the beginning, I think when she was
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: like let's just leave, he was like, where are we
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: going to leave? Like where we're gonna Like I am
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: a part of this is my home, these are my people,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: These are the people I fight for. And then then
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: that is gone. He's driven. He's driven by revenge.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Which is what what's interesting about later on is when
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: you see the gifts, the capture ease from district too.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: I think it is where they're like she like Candace
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: is trying to tell them like the we're not your enemy.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: That's the enemy, right and then snow is your Snow
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: is your enemy. Right, But but then you see how
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: how in the contrast between somebody like catness really like
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: zeroing in on one problem as opposed to a systemic problem, Yeah,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: which is snow, which which.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Isn't true, like is not not the Probably it's her problem.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: It's her.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: And that's what she says. I am like, he you know,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: I he fucked me, like exactly exactly in my family
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: is she's a super liberal bitch. She I mean, I'm joking,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: but in a sense, I.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Mean she you're not. I don't think you're wrong. I
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: think she is. But also she's the one who won.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: The war exactly.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: So so like, you know, like that's that's the interesting
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: thing to be.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Hey, it's a democracy, democracy, it has been since.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Funk.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Where are we at?
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Jesus? Uh we are She's just Jesus, guys, we love
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: this movie so much to to just go by like this.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, they start heading over to the city in the
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: jets to.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Get oh yeah, so yeah yeah. So Captains realizes that
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Peter is a goner and it's like, I want to
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: fight for this, I want revengely. She feels that too.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: She's like I want to be where, you know, do
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: whatever you want with me. So they send her to
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: district to district too, because there's something that's like she.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Insist, doesn't. And she shows up in District two, and
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: this is where we see Coin first like brushing up
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: against the idea that she should be pushing her face
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: so much. She's like, you've you've done it enough.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe chilled now, well chill.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: That's the funny thing. It's totally Donny jil and she's
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: totally He's totally what the hell was even that?
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But this is.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Interesting because you seeing the internal politics of District two
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: with Coin that Coin doesn't want Catus to see. I
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: don't think because she wants power just as much as
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Snow does, she might be better.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's that was kind of like
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: my disappointment of the movie was just like, oh, I
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: wish this revolution was a better one. But that's just
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: that was just my wish fulfillment, you know what I mean,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Like I was, I was angry at it because it
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: was that way, because it was this like random army
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: that lives underground that has a president who's a woman
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: with really straight gray hair, Like I mean.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: It's really nice hair.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: That was That was my disappointment, but ultimately it was
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: really fun to watch. Yeah, like it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Doesn't the movie is not dishonest about what it is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and how and the choices that it makes and the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: sort of flaws it allows you to see, because it
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: builds a world that is so self contro pained that
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you believe the reality of their situation.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: And so like it's everything that happens, they deliver it
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: just it's not it's not satisfying in certain ways, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I understand.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Nothing is like yeah, like that's the thing. It's it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: It MUSHes things in a in an interesting and I
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: feel like really like you know, like real way that
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: needs to be seen. Yeah.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not necessarily real. It's just it's just very plausible,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it answers a different question. So when I watched
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: like the first movie and the second movie was like, yes,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: the revolution I wanted so much, But it answers a
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: different question of like what happens not only when we
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: do it, but when it's over, Like what takes over
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: in people's minds and people's hearts? Uh once once, you know.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Like it's kind of presidency, which we don't know how.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Long, we don't don't know how. We're also introduced, I
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: think we're introduced in this one to Commander Paler, who's
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: the black lady who who? Yeah, who is she'sat?
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: It's so good. They portrayed this these like catness and
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: her as as like the type of natural leaders that
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: are usually the people who kind of don't care about
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: being leaders, and it's the others that actually want them
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: to be because people who are hungry for power usually
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: have selfish reasons, right, Yeah, so especially in like times
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: of big turmoils or big like social change. Yeah, the
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: ship flows up.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. This is the scene I was talking
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: about where they're in the underground and they're capturing the loyalists.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: They've captured the loyalists of the district.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I love this scene because there's a real palpable feeling
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: of like you're also was starting to feel kind of
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the revolutionary energy of everybody sort of like Okay, they're capturing,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: like they're winning this, you know, like they're like capturing
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: now like District two is like the one right beside,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and they're the most they're commented on as the most
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: loyal so there's this real tension between them because you're like,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: it does feel like Ireland, Northern Ireland, like the the
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Loyalists and the what were the two fucking side Republicans?
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: And then I thought it was been a Republican, but
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: the good kind. I guess what's his name? Maherschel Ali
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: also shines in this scene because of the defense of her,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: but also the knowing the importance that he knows, which
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: is fuck, fuck coin, fuck whatever she's doing.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he gives her, Yeah, he gives her a really
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: important information even though she senses it, like they have
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: this kind of military meeting and till the Swington look
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: alike is like presenting what's going on, and Cadiness is like,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: oh wait, like now everyone is a legitimate target, like
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: what is happening?
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Likes the all.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Of these lines she's got, you know, she's noticing it,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: but she also doesn't have the power to do anything
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: And then catness right, and also the speech that she
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: gives when she's grabbed by the guy and the guy
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: puts the gun to her head, she's like, just brain.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: I can't do this anymore.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Totally totally no, go ahead and do it. Yeah, exactly,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: and then she gets shot, which the propaganda value that
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: they're trying to get in the scene. And then when
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: she gets shot, and then it cuts to snow and
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: the like room the boardroom of them watching catness quote
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: unquote die and then him being like she's not dead.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: She they would have made a bigger deal over this,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: and like the sort of yeah, and it's also.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: It's perfect, perfect Now, I just wanted to say something
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: before that. It's like how funny it is, how like
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: everything always happens in a perfect way. So the cat
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: is going to have her perfect, authentic, real moment exactly
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: on cameras, in which when I've watched it, made a
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: comment of like this is like this is how Americans
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: want everything to happen. It's just someone gives a very
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: compelling speech.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: And everything changes. That's what it is, and that's why.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: And people, dude, people do think that. People think that
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: everything is just a conspiracy on top of a conspiracy
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: on top and it's all managed, stage managed in this way.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: That's perfect, and like there are some things that yeah,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: you use as propaganda value. Of course that's always going
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: to happen. But the muddled what's nice about this series
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: is that the muddledness of the messaging is part of it,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: which is great totally.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: The muddledness of the messaging is what kind of like
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: keeps the story compelling because it's unfolded to you. You you,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: when thinking about where this movie ends up from where
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: it starts, is actually really interesting because we don't have
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: any insight about the structure of power. We just get
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: a slice of it, he said.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: He even says, moves and counter moves.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: That's what the in count.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: That's what the movie is about totally, And they're reacting
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: to the things that are.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: My relationship with mama.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly it. Speaking of relationships with mama, one
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: of the one of the guys gets poisoned in this
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: room and he dies.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I was just going to say, how, you know, like
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: in the previous movies, it seemed like the reference to
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: the snow was like maybe like you know, like communist
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Russia like stuff like that. But now, like with the
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: poisoning and everything, it just feels like they're referencing like poutine.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, when you know, because he did he
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: poisoned Alexa. He poisoned Alexi in in uh in England
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: and then Alexi came back to run against him again,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: and that he ended up in his Siberia prison and
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: died and died mysteriously seriously. Yeah, he slipped and fell
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: on a knife ten times.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when you when you put in you know,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: that's all we got to say about that. He doesn't
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't look like anything to me.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, it is.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: What what happens in these In these situations, it's kind
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: of like wild because I don't know, it's interesting. We
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: live in an interesting time where it's really hard to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: like hide things, but also truth doesn't matter at all
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and is mattering less and less.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the truth, but but that, like, honestly,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: I used to think that too. I'm not saying you're wrong.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not saying you're wrong,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: but like, I don't actually think truth was ever ever important.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Like hiding things, I think it's always been a thing,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: always been hiding. Let me just muddle the waters as
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: much as possible. It doesn't matter if it's you could
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: just tell them.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: This thing, yeah it's But now I feel like people
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: are starship troopers. Isn't about fashion, But I think people
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: are fascism fashion. I feel like people are leaning into
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the ambiguity of the thing by just being like yeah,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you can believe it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a postmodern way of thinking. It's like those
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: neo Marxist postmodernists speaking of neo Marxist postmodernists, general alone,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: bald Ripley, general alone.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Is it a.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: No, it's a wig? Later she shaved her head. She did. Yeah,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: her head is a little too normal size for it
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: to be. But then again they did in her out,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: so what.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there was a lot of like kindind of
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: visual manipulation in this movie that I was sort of
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: like there was like a like a glow or achine
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: around a lot of around a lot of people, which
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: was a little bit distracting because it felt like it
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: was like, are you trying to tell me I'm one
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: of like Presidents Knows Dick Vane Roses or.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Are you trying to tell me that I've been taking
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: ozampic because they all have Bobby right, and that halo
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: in fact, like with Peta, there's a halo ing around
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: his chin.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Because what's the expression that you got them gone like
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: face yeah.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, floaty, what is that thing where they
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: take the fat out of your cheek.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: What was that is?
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sad. Don't do that.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna lose that all that's it was
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: a weird.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: It was a trend and.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Everyone's it was like a trend for a month and
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: everybody's like, it looks weird. You don't look the same.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: But you can't put it back. Now, that's no problem.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: You can't put it back. But yeah, Jennam alone is
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: so mad at Catnus because she she's I mean, she's
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: just mad anyway.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: But she's great. I love her so much. I kind
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: of more identify with her. And she's like, oh yeah,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: like fucking angry and she's ready to, you know, be something.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: But there's like, oh, everyone's just into you, you know
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: what I mean, you don't.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Even want to be here. You don't even want to
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: be Yeah, that was it. People start and it's interesting
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: seeing the ideology as they gain momentum, seeing it take
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: foot with everyone, because that's her reaction to the ideology
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: shifting and like people becoming very dogmatic about their beliefs
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: because the times and the circumstances is required, right, absolutely, But.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Then you get the the narcissism of small differences where
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: it's like that that feeling.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: What divides the left, Well, it's what.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Divides out to anybody, right, Like the building building, what
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: is it is called? When you build I guess bridges, but like.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know that expression. Building solidarities, connections, relationships.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I mean solidarity is one thing, but like building alliances,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: like with like you know what what NDP does with
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: with liberals in mutual interests, the mutual interests and then
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: they share share power when they can.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: But like you can't do that in terms of revolution,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: like I feel like it was like when Serbia had
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: when we had our little revolution October fifth. You know,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: when you have a leader that has control or power
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: over everything, that of course everyone else needs to unify,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: and then you would have like literal fascists with lefties.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, because you have to.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Do it that fucking way. There's no other way, right,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Like the power is too big. But then when stopped
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: doing that, But then when once you reach the power,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: then it's the money. Then it's the power grab, right,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: and then and then you end up with probably worst people.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Speaking of worse people, Catnus goes to visit
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Peta in the hospital and he confronts her about cucking
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: both Hemsworth and him, and he explains how Snow has
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: told her him that everything that she's telling him is
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: a lie. He doesn't know what to do or what
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: to believe anymore.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the scene was. Yeah, this scene was
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: like sort of to explain it to us how his
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: brainwash actually happened. We needed it because he becomes a
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: part of the story later, so we need to understand
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: like how can he be cool and then not cool,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: you know, like you know, context, because.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: But I love that they set up real or not.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Really so good.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: That's the importance of the scene. It's to pay it
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: off like at the end, which is which really should
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: have been the ending of the movie. That would have
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: been a ballsy move.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about talking.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: About it, speaking of we'll talk about not Fenton Finnick,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I love Fentanyl. Right before that the scene where Annie
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: and uh Fentanyl get married, we have another scene of
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Coin trying to tell Catus like can you just stop
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: back off, stop like the best I can tell you?
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Thank you?
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But then we get like some moments
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: of like chill and levity.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the wedding is we were, but we're joking about
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: it how it's like, of course it's the Irish.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Irish totally the singing and the dancing, and we get
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: like some like.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: With the singing and the dance.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Maybe you should provide a context so we're not saying
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: the Irish people with.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, okay. So do you know did I
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: ever tell you Alex about how Vanessa's grandma always used
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: to like be like yes, Serbia with the singing and
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: the dance, absolutely, and like it's like it's funny because
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: it's like people say, you know, okay, it's like like
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: it's just it's I know what it's like to be fetishized.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: That's one of the ways.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: It's not even that, it's just like mixing everything that's
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: other like terms are really not known for singing the dance,
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: but it usually is like it's either Roma people or
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: like you.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Have mentioned the proud national drink of for instance for.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Instance something, but the singing and the dancing not what
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: we're known for.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: And then she also said Belgravia one time, and I'm
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: like that is a different place than Belgrade. I just
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: so you know, that bell Gravy's not where I'm from, dude.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I want I've had this a couple of times where
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: where I'm like, oh, I'm from Serbia and they're like, oh,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: isn't it really cold there? And it takes me a second.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: It took me a second to be like, oh, Siberia, Like, no,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: it's not cold Syria.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: One time when I said Serbia, the guy was like
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the guy was like, is that.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had that too. But in this singing and dancing,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: you know, with the singing and the dancing, Catnus almost
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: like foreshadowing the tragic fall that Primrose is going to have.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Is dancing with Primrose and then she like the camp
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: they stop and the camera is still spinning, and then
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: they hug each other. It's such a great scene. Yeah.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: But and this is before.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I mean I said that a Ventadol like sealed his
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: fade in this seed. He was like, as soon.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: As soon as you see someone have a happy wedding,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: the situation.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: He's gonna die. He die, wuld have wanted.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: And but then you get the move of Catnus being like,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna listen to Hillary Clinton.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like I don't care about this bit. I
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: have a mission, like I like like my person. It's
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: not even a evolution or anything like my personal safety.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: I will never feel okay until this guy dies. She's like,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I don't care about my life anyway. I'm just gonna
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: go and fucking kill him. Yeah, total, which is pretty
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: cool of her.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's pretty awest to go directly to kill him herself.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: But also like what what Quin doesn't understand and what
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Philip kuymer Hoffman does understand when when they see her
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: in being insubordinate, like you see the people do the
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: the three fingers, the serbian fingers.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: It also has a funny joke about this because they
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: kissed their fingers first. And do you want to tell
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: It's a visual thing. I can't explain.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: But no, you need to describe.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: You describe it. I can't describe.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the nana are our kuma are our best
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: maiden of honor or whatever. Uh had this move this
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: gross move like this like very lude gesture that like
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: is like drag your finger across your your drag your
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: thumb across your bottom lip as you kiss in kind
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: of a sexual way. So and you go like you
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: go like this, and.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: It's sort of like encompasses like kind of like the
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: traditional masculine like a what like.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Like a leer guy would do.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: So it's that kind of So every time they would
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: kiss their fingers on it, I would turn to each other, go.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Do this gross.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Lude fucking gesture. Anyway, did I describe it? Well?
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, yeah, Yeah, where where were we.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Meet?
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: No, you were saying so you were saying that presidents
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: now you were you wanted to explain something?
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Oh that coin. Yeah, I think I explained it. I
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: think I like she just basically that that Philip Seymour
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Hoppin knows that you still need you. You can't hide
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: revolutionary behind like thank yous and stuff like that. That's
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: why Catnus was the one throughout the movies is because
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: she was always front facing and she was always expressing,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: this is what you hired for here, Joe.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: She's authentic, right, you can't buy that ship. But anyway,
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: she likes yeah, but she like kind of yeah, she
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: you know, goes and like hides in one of the
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: planes and goes to the battlefield.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Blond men really believe in catness.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Blonde man.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: It's always a blonde man really.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Supporting Hamish and Philipoffen.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, sorry, sorry you forgot to mention the
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: perfect quite blonde men.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I mean that's what they're saying.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: It's true. Yeah, it's all about interpretation, dude. Starship Troopers
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: isn't about fashions.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so she kind of the hiller Clinton sees sees
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: what's happening and that she's been seen at the front line.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: So she's like, fuck, I can't pull her out now
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: people know.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I love what she realizes, Like she I saw an
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: interview of Julianne Moore talking about this role and being like,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I really like this next part. I like The mocking
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Jay too, because it kind of gives me an opportunity
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: to show like the motivations of this character that you
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: don't really get a lot of context for only from
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Cadnus's perspective.
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: But also in the books there's not there's not so
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: much known about her. There's a lot of blanks to
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: fill into. Were you able to contribute or give any
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: input into kind of how she appears on screen and
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: can you talk about like your contributions there.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, quite a bit. I mean, actually we were able
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: to contribute quite a bit. And Francis Lawrence, our director,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: was so incredibly generous and helpful because we talked a
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: lot about that about how, you know, in the book
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: almost represented you really only see her from Catus's point
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: of view, so you just kind of get the edge
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: of her.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: You don't know who she is.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: You know how she looks. You know she's long, you
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: know this long silver hair and gray eyes, eyes the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: color of slush, they say, But we don't understand what
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: kind of a leader she is. And so Francis and
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I talked a lot about what her political evolution was,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: and I thought about the notion of what it means
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: to be underground all of those years and try to
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: make yourself to lead in a way, but have to
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: make yourself small and to be economical and to be resourceful,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: and what that means in terms of the way you
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: behave and what your expectations are.
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: Can you talk about working with Philip on that? Did
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: he play a lot and do you have like a
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: favorite memory of shooting with him?
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: He's is a wonderful, wonderful actor, really one of the
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: best best of my generations, certainly, and and it's a
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: terrible loss and he's always i mean always working with him.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: He was imaginative and unfully developed and engaged and always
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: kind of got the most out of every scene.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: So she was like, it was really interesting for me
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to like sort of like play out with the director
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: how I would give context clues to the audience that like,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I am like changing in this way, and like so
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: it's something that they thought about, you know, which is interesting.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, see it is. It is quite It is quite visible.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: It comes across, especially when you see it multiple times too,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: it becomes a lot more obvious.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah. And it's like she's just yeah moves
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: and countermoves. So she literally is just like, oh shit,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: she's there. What am I going to do? What about
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: if I sent Peter maybe he'll killer?
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, yeah, totally.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: She starts doing both a three D level chess moves.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. Commander Pylor is the one who is
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: like saying giving a speech to everybody about what the
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: mission is.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: And then Catnus and Cuckamsworth get taken on a separate mission. Uh.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: That's like a propaganda filming mission.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Uh. And I like that we are not a combat you,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: we are not a combat unit. What did we miss?
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it happens before or after, but
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: the president Snow basically made a decision to not defend
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: District one, to kind of let them come in, and
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: he created Okay, but it's so good because we do
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: get to have hunger games.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: That's true, that's exactly. And that was really exciting about
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: this one is they bring back the hunger game. They city,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the whole city, everything is hunger games. It's it's it
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: becomes then the like metaphorical hunger games of life exactly,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: which is like what snow Piercer tried to do.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well no, it's what Snow. It's like, oh, if
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: we have.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: This telegon in the movie Snow piers You're.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Right, maybe it did happen. Maybe it happened during the
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: dinner scene. Maybe I don't know, it doesn't matter. They
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: also have stolen plans that tell like our heroes where
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: the traps are laid, but it's not a complete plan.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: The pods man and he's like squinty entire like, because
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: he's not a squinty.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Guy in real life. His entire face he squint It's
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: all just like it's amazing. It's it's incredible, perfect for
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: tiny glasses to play lady.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: This andmble of people going through the games and he.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: That guy you don't like, the tongue guy I don't like.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Why don't you like? Not like him?
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: He was great because of the whistling. And I think
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: that he cast him because of his face.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Why do you hate his hat?
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: His face? I know, I know that's what it is.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: But also this is the hint that we get. Mrcial
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Ali is like, she doesn't like you, she doesn't like you,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: and she will kill you because he wants she wants power.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: But he says that he says that before right, like
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: like he kind of like.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: And we also have ens and Roe as the second
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: in command.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, whoa rolerin amazing trying the tooth with
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: side like.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Cox and side sesme Street. I really like her, boy, but.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: She was great. The ensemble of this movie and kind
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: of like just showing us a little bit of ensemble
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: because the ensembles already so well set up that when
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: they're together, you're like, oh man, this feels cool.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: It looks and it looks really cool. I love when
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: the all the like ruins of the city looks very
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: brutalist architecture. There's even like monuments that look exactly like
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: like Serbia monuments.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: What's the one that you said you saw that it
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: looks exactly like with the points the pointy statue.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: One of those.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: It looked exactly like the one.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: It was exactly the same. But we had this like
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: very huge monuments like brutalists kind of like concrete made
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: that are all of them kind of commemorating like battles
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: in the Second World War and stuff like that, and
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: like the buildings look like UBG. Yeah, so yeah it was.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: It was Visually it was nice. I liked it.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah for sure. And the whole the kind
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: of scale of the destruction, like because everything's a little
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: cartoon it kind of like when you see stuff being
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: like very obviously uncanny, it's like, oh okay, like yeah
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: it looks pretty good.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally. Then they have like a camp moment
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: where they're sort of chilling for the night before they continue,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: and Peta and Catnus have their first moment of real
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: connecting again post traumatically, and you know, she explains to
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: him how it's not just oh oh, he goes your
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: favorite color is green.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we bring it back to the green and orange
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: to Northern Island.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: And then and then she starts listing off like your
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: favorite tea, is this? Your favorite color? Is this your
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: and like a whole bunch of different things in order
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: to let him know that she does care about him,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: she does love him, She has taken so much time
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: and care to get to know him as a person.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: And also it's the kind of like a lesson in
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: love of like never giving like not never giving up
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: on someone, but like believe in that they're there, you know, yeah,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: that you can reach them, yeah.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that you can come back, that they can
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: come back.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Exactly, Yeah, being safe enough to be able to come
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: back to you.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: It's a very vulnerable position for both of them. And
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I one of the critiques that I saw that was
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: in the like on IMDb or something is like just
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: like a fan wrote like, oh, Cadness is We've seen
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: her get so much stronger through these movies, and she's
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: just broken again in this movie. And I'm like, man,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: isn't that just like how fucking life is? You grow
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: as you keep getting hurt and broken, and like it's
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: how you sort of like whether that's storm. It's about
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: like it's rocky.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: You know, it's also misunderstanding of like, you know, like
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, bitch, No, it
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: also breaks you. It breaks you.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was just thinking to myself like that.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: That is a strength of this series for me, is
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: that they're consistently able to make us believe that Catnus
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: is really struggling with all of the things that she's
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: gone through because they've all been so traumatic.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and she still keeps going and has a motivation and.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Finds and she finds exactly because she finds new motivation
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: because she allows herself to love.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's what the end. I mean not
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: to you know, not to go to the last line
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: of the movie, but that's basically the last line of
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: the movie, which is like I keep retelling myself this
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: game of every good thing that a person has done
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: that I remember and just like always keep repeating, repeating
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: that to yourself.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Like gratitude, just like having gratitude this life. Right, it's interesting,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: it's very it's very poignant, and we'll get we'll get
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: to it because we do get our happy ending in quotations, Yeah.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: In the next scene, when they're off into the city,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: they set off one of the traps, which are the
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: two guns that.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: You oh my god, it's the first trap.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. Love that. And then all of
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: a sudden maherschel Eli and two other people go in
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: and he steps on a mine and he explodes half
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: of his body. And it's such a great scene. It's
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: so powerfully done.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: And like it weirdly like it's kind of weirdly balloon,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: but in such a jarring way, Like it's kind of
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: like because it's so sudden, they capture like the suddenness
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: of reality in an interesting way because it's just like
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: he's like immediately like believably in shock.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: But it's almost like give me the halo, give.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Me the halo, Like yeah, that scene, like and how
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: he's able to like swiftly here say your name.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: I love it, and then he's like, don't trust them.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: They try to like Turnique off his legs and like
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: he just dies and is and but he got all
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: of the essential information across because he'sn't so quickly.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: He is the guy he is.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it also shows how like you know, he
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: doesn't like why you don't fucking know me. But he
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: chooses to believe in her, Like he's presented with his
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: hierarchies and you know he has to follow them, he's
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: a soldier, but you know, he chooses to pick her
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: as someone he can trust. I mean it's based on
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: literally like a hunt or a feeling or seeing what
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: other people are like.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Or I think it was like a disappointment in Coin.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I think there's like the same thing people. Also, they
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: start noticing at this point after Coin has captured a
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: lot of like that's something that's a story that's told
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: in a meta way throughout the movie.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Yes, but also he would need to, like, you know,
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: like he has the the ensign Roe second in line,
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: he needs to know that he can't trust her. He
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: needs to know, you know what I mean, Like he.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Sees who's protecting whose interests and people who are too
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: loyal to Coin are now coming across as extremists in
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: a way, in a way that that is not helpful
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: to the actual larger revolution. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: It's I don't know how I feel about that, because
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: it is it's asking us to It takes the sort
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: of vagueness of Coin from the previous movie, and it
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: turns it in a way that it's like, well, when
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: we do really feel more to you, this is what
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: you're this is what we were hiding from you. These
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: are the intentions. Doesn't need a god, it doesn't.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: How do we feel about the tar?
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I fucking love the tar? Pretty cool. It's like the
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: like hell razor tar that turns you into Jesus West.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Jesus Yeah, or what's his name? Fucking Peter pushing that Kaya.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: It's just like being like it was scary. I mean,
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: it's pretty cool.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: When when Peta does that, it's like it looks so real,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: like of like Peta a Peter like guy would pushing
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: another guy like that.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I totally agree. And then what's his name? Phinnick?
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: He he pulls Peto away because Phinnick is still also
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: like very loyal to Cateness, who really wants to bring
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Peta into the fold.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: He sees Catness as essential to this plant.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so if they fuck up that, then they can't really.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: He also loves her. They have a bomb. They understand
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: each other.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: He has together, has any He has Peta for sure,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: and also with that Granny lady, he like was he
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: you know, he was like, I want to fuck you, Granny.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: He he kind of like loves her. He loves Catness
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: more instead because he lost her, you know, because it
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: was so pivotal. He like, the old lady gave herself
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: up to save Peta and Catness.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: So so for the cause.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of nice.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: But I also really love the fact that this lady,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: this this lady wants so badly for for Cateness to
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: give her the.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Yeahpollow, yeah on tuck my home, Papa.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what she reveals, like, oh, I have actually
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: had special orders from Hillary to go and kill Snow personally,
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: and you're gonna help me And she's like, no, I.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: Believe that, and then do That's the thing, but they
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: all sort of realize in the moment that they're like,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: I don't really like Hillary Clinton. Maybe I'm one of
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: those left wingers who went from Bernie Sanders to Donald Trump.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: They don't even have to hate her. They just do
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: want to kill.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: They want to kill.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: They do want to because then like the Star Trek's
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: crillic side shave is like, yeah, it's actually a plan
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: from Coin. I heard it too. Everyone's like, yeah, yeah,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: and she doesn't believe it. Still she's like, okay.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: She has to. Yeah, she has a comply she's outnumbered.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: There's two sisters that stay behind oh yeah because one
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: of the guys like her story. But you know another
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: another kind of people that go on catiness soul.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: And that's actually something that you noticed that while we
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: were watching the movie is the movie will frequently show
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: us pairs of people who really care about each other
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: to show us, to further signal to us who everyone
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: is doing this for. And it actually does a really
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: good job of creating this idea that there's a lived
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: in world where people love each other because we get
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: so much relation like brothers or this these twins, and
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: they're often they kind of like look alike. Even the
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: brother of the no tongue guy looks has the same
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: like jawline and beard as him.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like partners or mothers and daughters or you know, yeah, pairs,
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: which is cool.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: They let the oil leave and then they head to
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: like a safe zone.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: But the oil just kind of like retreats in like
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: an unnaturally fast way. And again it shows like this
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: like cool bioengineering, Like what is it? How does it
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: disappear so fast.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: And the peacekeepers come and they shoot down. They shoot
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: down the complex where the two people were left behind,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: one who broke her her legs as sisters, and they
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: destroy the building. And then we get Caesar Flickerman. What's
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: his name, Stanley Tucci.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: He's amazing. He's really good, like just the way.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: He I mean. I also feel like it would be
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: they would have like public execution of that guy, you
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, like the face of everything totally.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: And I think they're in there there is a reality
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: in which that happens. But I was gonna say specifically
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: about his character. What's really interesting in this movie for
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: me is just how much an instrument of the capitol
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: he becomes. He always is, but because they need him
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: in this role of like managing the population, he becomes
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: like the face of like, hey, calm down, Hey, I've
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: got a news report. This is very important, you know
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Like there's a vibe where he's like
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: just you know, trying to like manage what the fuck
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: is going on.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true. I also wanted to mention something that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: I thought was interesting this movie brought, which is always
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: a question in any kind of big changes or revolution
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: is the collaborators. And you know, it seems like the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: way the revolution is going that everyone who was involved
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: in some kind of way is going to pay for it, right,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: And you can really see that Catnus is against it,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: like and everyone is like who's on the good side
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: is against it? But there was also that question, like
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: when we had our small revolution of we call it Lustrazia,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: like you know, when you were talking about Stanley Tucci
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: that we also had our like you know Artest. Yeah,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: then like people who were running the news and a
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: lot of people in like media or in like traditional
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: system of like what happens then do they all get fired?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: Like what if they are actually or were they just
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: doing their job? It's kind of like Eichman, Yeah anyway.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, absolutely. I mean I think Efie is
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: a good example of that because like you you never
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: know what her you know.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: Like, well Effie, Yeah, they made us love Effie, so
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: we no one ever wanted anything bad.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Exactly, but but but she is, you know, like she
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: comes back to the Capitol and to me, it's it
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: is symbolic that she immediately starts dressing up again, like
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: how she used to not saying that she needs to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: be drabbing, boring forever.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: One of the nice things about the scene with Stanley
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Tucci is demonstrating to the people, Oh, catnus, look how
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: much violence she introduced to the to our world or whatever.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: And you have that's right after you see the quote
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: unquote peacekeepers demolish an entire building to kill two people.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: She did it all just a little girl with no talents.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, she she yeah, and then they present them
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: as dead. They finally like kill them because the right right,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: what's it called propaganda, the right time for this propaganda
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: happened and then Snow being like, uh, nothing but small
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: talent with a bow and arrow is dead, like describing yeah.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: And also yeah, Hillary Clinton is like like crying Cat
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: is like, oh I didn't know I meant that much.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: She loved her so much more dead Really funny, but basically, yeah,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: it seems like this movie is from the like the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: other part of it is just like a trap and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: then them and we're listening to the news, and then
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: trap and then they're waiting talking listening.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: It was beat beat, beat beat, but it was very satisfy.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: It was very satisfying because.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: Like in terms of the games, right, it's usually like, oh,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: something is happening in the game, and then you watch
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: the TV what have you know? Who died and ship.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Like that, And through their struggle they're building their character, right,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: so they're always constantly yeah, we're finding again comes back
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: to the relational thing.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: Like yeah, and they also literally post on the TV
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: in the same way in the games that they all
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: died with like yeah.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: And also the disappointing, the disappointment that you can tell
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: that Philip Symo Hoffman has in coin, Oh my.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: God, the way he looks at her, he's such a
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: such a like the face of like, oh my god,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: what have I done?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: She created a monster? Because nobody wants to seem they
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: want liver.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's also like a disappointment, but there's also
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: kind of like what's the word for that, like like resignation,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: like just like despair or you know he kind of
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: like in his face resignation, yeah, like fuck, Like yeah.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: They concoct a plan to the to get to uh
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: the to presidents. Now he's seventy five blocks away. But
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: because there's so many mines uh or like games or
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: whatever throughout pods, throughout the city they have to go
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: underground where.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: We yeah, like throughout the city love is blind as happening,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: and they don't want to watch that.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I just kind of feel different about you
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: than I did in the Pods.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Since we were in the pods, Canis, I feel different
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: about Canis had we been had this been when we
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: were in the pots, I would have felt completely different
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: about you. But I realized I love cuck Hamison.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: But once we came out of the pods and I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: and I saw you, just we couldn't relieve the same glory.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: This is one of my favorite scenes where President of
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: Snow is sleeping on the table and the lady comes
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: up to him. She's also a I think a Star
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Trek lady.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: She's one of the Marvel movies, I don't know, or
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: some like something.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: I've seen her in something. But him being like a
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: daughtering old is the sleepy Joe Biden was really honey
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: to me because him being like, you have better things
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: to concern yourself than the health of an old man,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: the sort of acknowledgement of being old but frustrated and
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: mad that she woke him up.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: It's very it's very vulnerable. It's such a sleepy Joe.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: But also I think, what, yeah, they wanted to convey
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: in the scene that he's dying and he knows he's dying.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: He has I mean, he's coughing blood. That's the international
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: sign of dying.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: Literally, like why did they do that so much movies?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: The only time that happens if you have tuberculosis or something.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: But they use that all.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: It's such an easy visual to be like.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: Oh, this person is dying and the finger mark as
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: a callback. But yeah, he has nothing to lose, so
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: why wouldn't he sacrifice everything? That's the kind of the plot.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: He knows it's over for him anyway, so let it
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: all burn. Yeah, totally yeah, and then we go underground
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: into the aliens force.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, to.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: The aliens for it was also it also had like
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: who else did these guys look like? They kind of
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: looked Prometheus, they kind of looked oh my god, they.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: Kind of looked like I am Legend.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: They look like everyone. They also look like that amphibian
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: human from X Files.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, the fish.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Face yeah yeah yeah, what else? Also like the pan
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: labyrin guy with the mouth and no eyes.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: We're so good the inverted the inverted Guza.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, very cool, Yeah cool, I love that. Look you
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: know who that is slippery slimy, but also like.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: You know who that is who you're talking about, Doug Jones, Yeah,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: I know, actor Doug Jones, Dougie Jones, Duckie Jones.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're into tunnels snow, no knows what's happening. We
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: get that fight scene with the Amphibians.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Which is incredible. We lose, we lose fentanyl.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: We lose phentol, we lose.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Finnick to to falling into the abyss and getting eaten
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: alive by these gross guys. Yeah, like the way that
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: like they showed how this fight was very dramatic, because
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: everyone seemed very like there was like a kind of
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: they were outnumbered and outmatched, but slightly in a way
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: that like was like it's like believable that most of
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: them get away and that it is this intense.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: And it was also like nice big everyone's saving each other, right,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: like like Peter is saying Phan, Finig is saying Pete Kat,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: this is saving Peter, you know, like it's just like, yeah, it's.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Playing on each other, it's playing on the relational aspect,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: that's playing on the cooperation.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then like they get out and they get
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: into the tunnels and then the like little choppy things
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: come out of the ground. And then right as they
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: end the choppy things, Pete is like, no, what, I
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: stay and die and she kisses him and she's like,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: I don't want you to stay and die. I love you.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: Fuck Hemsworth, who cares it is?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: This is the real fuck Hemsworth moment?
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, totally, he's not because he you know what
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: he's and both in a good and bad way because
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: he's Fuck Hemsworth super handsome in this.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but but you know, yeah, that's being funny. But
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: for real, it's like I think she like changed her
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: mind about him when when he was like, oh, well,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: the revolution doesn't care about it's not it's not personal Catness. Yeah,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: that's people dying is not personal.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: She's kind of like.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: She's like, I for one know that it's all honestly. Like,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: what's cool about Jaylaw, the actor in this role, is
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: that every time the script asks of Catness to like
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: deliver a speech in the same way as like the
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: people around her are waiting for her to kind of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: like fail, she she delivers to us too, you know
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like there is a kind of like
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: a meta quality to like every time she gives a
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: speech or says an epic line, I am like, fuck, yeah,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: this is you are amazing, You're amazing.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she's great.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: That's all we want, that's all we want.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: And then we get the tiger Lady. That's so great
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: until President snow didn't think I was pretty.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: What cool casting choice? What an interesting casting choice, and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: like amazing.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: I think I think she's supposed to be a drag
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: queen or like just like this like art beautiful person
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: that is just stuck in a war situation and the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: tragedy of that of being someone who is like so
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: amazing in what they do and like so gorgeous.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this watching this movie. I
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: was thinking, how much did this movie and this character
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: in this role, What role did that play in bringing
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: up the like right wing meme of like kids wanting
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: like litter boxes in like in child bathrooms for like
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like because like look at
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: this trans otherness. Look at this like trans species shit
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: that they're trying to force on us.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: I think it was more because like there are people
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: who do like they there there are people we're people
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: who hijack like the trans movement as like oh we
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: have zeno genders and it's like I'm dough, I'm a deer,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: and it's like come on, dude, get the fuck out
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: of here. Don't like co op these things. And then
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: like that kind of trickles into like popular culture.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: That way, I know, but like I just can't help
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: but think like maybe this was a popular series like
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: that that that memes been going on for about ten years,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: like this role is iconic, like she looks amazing or
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: they look amazing, like it was like such an amazing
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: there's a kind of like unspokenness to like the portrayal
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: again like this like they don't beat you over the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: head with the messaging, but like what you said on it,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: like it's just like this character is like somebody that
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: is like you can clearly tell, you know, like they
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: have like the single moments of like I was wronged
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: by snow as well, right, yeah, I mean.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Well it's just like disposable. This is what disposable people
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: look like, you know, and and like it's it's sad
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: and it's nice that that she gets to have she
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know, they get to have a moment because
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: it really does have There also is that element of
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Effie that that element too, where it's like this, I
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: used to belong, I used to be one of those people,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: and then like getting thrown away opened my eyes to
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: to what that world is actually like you know what
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's that kind of history and disappointment to
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: that character. Yeah, because Effie feels kind of the same way,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: but just from the opposite end. She she got thrust
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: into the situation because you know, what's his name, Plutar. Yeah,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: but yeah, anyway, sorry.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: Because Plutarch saw to it that she got thrust. Plutarch
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: was thrust in a lot of things as we as
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: we later find out, not Plutar, not Plutarch. Sorry, sorry,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: I just hamish. I just wanted to say, because my
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: favorite thing is the way he says plutarks. That's saying
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Plutarch is amazing.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's also because we think that Plutarch is
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: just as sexual sexual energy with everyone. But now we
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: have a like another quiet moment where they're waiting for
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: the next day in Tigers's basement.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we get that moment with cut Hemsworth being
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: fuck Hemsworth and being like, you know what, I'm not
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: with her anymore, man, She's you've won her over.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: She's all yours, captain.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And they coin a plan of how they're going,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: how they're gonna get into the palace for Catness to
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: shoot Snow or kill Snow, And it's just weird, weird choice.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: Since they're in the house of this like designer like
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: makeup person, why don't they mask her?
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I was saying, why doesn't use this amazing tree
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: bark skills to make her look like a different verse.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: They made an effort to show us that that Tigers
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: has all this wardrobe and like all this like it's
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: literally like an arts basement, and then they her with
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: her own.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Face randomly missed opportunity. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, it
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: might have been cool for Catness to drastically maybe alter
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: her face in this moment to like, you know, that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: might have been like a cool move on the part
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: of the movie.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: But they do nothing of a sort.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: No, she just puts like a hood and it's fine anyway.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: It's just her and Hamsworth that are going. Everyone else
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: is joining the rebels, I guess, yeah.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: And then when they're in the town for with the
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: that's this is District one, right, yeah, in District one
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: and that wait, is District one the capitol or is
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: capital Capital? And then the little girl who's the District
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: one little girl, I.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Mean, she's not evil, but yeah, it's kind of amazing
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: how she looks at her but she doesn't say anything
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: or do it. She doesn't give away her position.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: But that's because that thing blows up and they're.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, so we didn't say so. Snow invites
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: everyone from from District one, from Capital to join to
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: come to his house, of course, using it as sort
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: of a meat shield, like to protect himself. And yeah,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: that's why everyone's coming coming over.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: So he's like he's trying to he's cornering them all
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: into one small space and.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: Then banking on the rebels not going to kill fucking
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: people to get to him.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: But then what happens they do.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like they they they send somebody says it's
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: the capital and like really loudly and very pointedly it
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: like says pointedly, I should say it's the capital. And
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: then and then everyone's like gifts as like parachute mini
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: parachute gifts start falling from the sky.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: And Snow is like, bring me your children, bring them
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: to me, and they were.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: All brought to the forefront and they blow them up.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton blows them up, which.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: We find out later.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we don't know yet, we don't know.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also yeah, it's also the pending investigations.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: That's the well, no, but first the explosion happens, Primrose
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: comes as a paramedic.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: Well as the mini bombs come down, those explode and
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: then Catus dead eye like blown away and there's fire
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: on top of fire.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: Was like, oh, she's dead, it's over.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: I loved would selfulfilling prophecy.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: Honestly, if they did that, I'd be like, oh my god,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: this is like the best quadrila.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: It would make complete sense because she goes there to
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: save her sister, and in the moment where her sister dies,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: it's over.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like she sees her sister as a paramedic and
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: then had I don't think we mentioned that there was
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: a second explosion Building seven. There was a second explosion,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: So we need to we need to be a cognizance
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: of that okay when talking about it, what happened to buildings?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Then we don't know, but.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: It's a really really sad moments.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: It's a sad moment.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we kind of have the epilogue, right.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Catness wakes up. That's not all the it's
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: it's like thirty more minutes. Yeah, like Cattiness wakes up,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: and it is kind of the epilogue of like the
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: quote unquote Hunger Games, but it's not cats end. Yeah,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: Godness is ending. Is is definitely the ending we thought,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: which would be the them in bed Peter and Catness.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: Hie takes takes Catness.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: No first Canness wakes up?
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, wakes up and her mother is there.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's so sad because the mother is incapable
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: of telling.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: The mother is catatonic again.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: She sees her like the way the mother is and knows,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: and they like kind of spare us the scene where
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: which knowledge.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: It was nice because it was nice because like we've
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: all already as the Watcher's gotten accustomed to the loss
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: in the way that these people have had to we've
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: like seen how much they've lost, and we know that
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: life is very precarious in this situation and precious and
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: it's it could be extinguished in just a second. So
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: I think it's like it was a really it was
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: really nicely done. It was really nicely done. And then
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: she just references it later when she goes, what's the
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: scene after when she goes, who does she go to
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: see Snow?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: She goes to Snow and then she approaches and then
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: the guards are like like, no, you can't go in there.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: And then yeah, she's like She's allowed to go everything.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which was cool, which was like, which was.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: Cool, and they understanding of how the power is divvied
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: up amongst the people who have been at the forefront
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: of the revolution. And then this is I think one
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: of the best scenes, just one of the best scenes
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: in the series. And also the manic performance of Donald Sutherland,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: the like I know I'm dying, but.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: I'm so excited to tell you, I'm so excited to
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: ruin your fantasy of what this is going to be
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: like because both of them I loved it, and also Snow.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: Being like, come on, we've told each other we would
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: never lie to each other.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: I'm lying to you right now, So in fact, I'm
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: being totally honestly.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, the relationship is so.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: Good, and the line we both know I'm not above
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: killing children's so awesome.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And he's like, oh, so sad to hear your
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: sister die, so unnecessary.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: But I'm not wasteful, like I'm not above killing.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't waste the death of a child, which is
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: such a cynical line, because that's what the hunger games are.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: That's that to talk about net Yahoo, that's such a
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: net Yahoo like line.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, exactly, it's the same, the same
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: access of evil.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: He's like, I'm sure she wasn't gunning for your sister,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: but you.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Know, casualties are casualty.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: What does it turned the last guards against me? That
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: was the plan. It was the fact that every single
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: sector had changed, like turned against them except for the
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: loyal loyal, loyal loyalists and then and there were those
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: guys even because they were like, but our children were killed. Yeah.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: He says, my failure was in being too slow to
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: gasp coins plan, which he's like, he has only regret
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: as the moves and counter moves that she out maneuvered him.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: He's sort of regret is that I had Bonata and
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, I think the very end Anna
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: like it talks about this a lot, like.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: It's so this is the scene that strengthens catnesses resolve
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: to make the countermove of to kind of make Snow's
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: counter move of killing. Yeah, killing.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: He's so happy when she does it.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, elated. That reaction is unbelievable.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, like with bloody mouth, like.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Just absolutely joyous, like filled with dread, ready to die.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: It's like the everything I thought about the world is correct.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: It's correct. Yeah, totally, I can die a happy man.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow, what an amazing characters.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's such an amazing portrayal of an
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: amazing character.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: Another portrayal of an amazing character. Cuck Helmsworth really wraps
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: it up super nicely in this scene because because he
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: becomes because he becomes Fuck Helmsworth, but also there's a
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: vulnerability to him thinking to himself like I actually don't
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: understand the world that much and I kind of need
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: the structure of being a soldier.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: It's the Jital Milanco effect. He was like the like
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: disillusionment in the like party that won and this is
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: what you were fighting for is like, well, I'm a
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: alcoholic our grandfather who was like totally disillusioned in the
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: party and in communism and in the system. Like, yeah,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: I just didn't know how to deal with it.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: I mean it's hard, and I also I'm not sure
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: he does really is fully disillusioned. He's just ashamed in
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: front of him.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: He's totally ashamed in front of her because the means
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: did not justify the ends. He's seeing now that.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: Well, he's seeing somebody he cares about. For the we
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: don't know. We really don't know if the means justify
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: the end because we don't have a sequel to the
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: y who knows. I mean, it could have been better, maybe,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, democracy came, but maybe maybe maybe
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: it could be better, but probably not. Young democracy is
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: always these things.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Are these things are precarious things because.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: Like he's very fragile.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true, he's fragile, he's very.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: Friend but yeah, that the scene is good in a
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: way because yeah, he's he's ashamed and he knows that,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: like he became something that he didn't want to become,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: and in doing that, fail the only person that was
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: important for him not to fail like it was. He's like,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: my job was to save your family and it was me,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: like not directly, but it was him who contributes to dying.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: And the way that like she's just like you're relieved,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: Like the way that she tells him that they're done forever.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: She says, we're done.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: What does she say? She say? She says goodbye, get
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: bye or done or like so.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: There's a great line. Yeah, just and delivered. So I
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: think it was just like goodbye Gail. That's what it is.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: It's goodbye Gail. And he just is cocked in the scene.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, can't protect anyone in the arena. Yeah, And then
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: she says goodbye Gail. That's it.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he walks out of the room. He knows,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: he knows what time it is. He knows we know too.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: He knows Catness well too, and he's like, yeah, she's
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: done with me, and that I get it.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: Catness goes into the Oval office with a newly evolved
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton haircut, uh and they are putting it to
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: of uh there there she Hillary Clinton is telling them
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: that she's going to be interim president for an undetermined
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: amount of time.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Well, everyone needs to calm down a bit. You know,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: we're all very upset about what has just happened.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: And then she proposes an insane like truly an insane
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: like I get I get it. I feel like I can.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: I can, Like the logic feels sound.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: I believe that this could that this would happen.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: Oh no, not even just would happen, but it could
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: work too. It could work. People are insane and they do,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: like look at what they did to we mentioned Gaddafi earlier.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: Those people were normal people who fucking killed a guy
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: and then went home and they were just like had
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: normal lives after that. Like it's insane. People do have
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: that like lust for like a revenge.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I can talk.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: What I talked about what happens after the revolution. It's true,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: like you can't just an end this and the cycle
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: of killing right like it makes sense, but not like
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: that is completely insane and it would not work.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: But the hunger, like like the hunger, I know, you
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. But like, okay, for example, I'll
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: give you a perfect example of something that like people
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: will hear versus how it makes you feel, Like if
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: I think to myself, oh yeah, like if you if
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: you go to prison, you shouldn't have the right to vote. Like,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: there's a logic to that, there's a logic train to that.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: You can make an argument for that. I would never
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: think that that was moral, like a good thing to do, Like,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: of course prisoners need the right to vote. But like
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: the logic to it makes a lot of sense, right,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, well, you did something to the community.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: The community is revoking an essential right or whatever, whether
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: it be freedom, whether it be whatever. But like that,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: what's crazy about this is that she uses the idea
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: that she's Catus uses that idea of like, yeah, I
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: follow that logic. Let's do another Hunger Games with just
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: the people in in uh district one the capital the capital,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: but the capital children. Yeah.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And she's like if I if I vote yes
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: for this for you, will you let me?
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah? She screws over coin. Yeah.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: She comes out with her fucking like the tailored suit
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: that she wears. Yeah, she comes out here so like
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: the cape she he was with a man in a cape,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: man in a cape.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: It's an impressive scene.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: It's an impressive scene. It is a cool outfit.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: It's a cool outfit. And she's kind of standing with
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: her like her feet apart, Like it's kind of like
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: taking like a power.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: It's really epic. Yeah, it's epic.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: And snow is epic too.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: It was so epic the whole his riz is real,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: like no one can deny I'm that.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: No, definitely those got rizz.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: And he looks at her kind of with the smile,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: with like the love and the hatred at the same time,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: and the smirk and the defiance.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: And I really felt like this, like at this point
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: in the movie, I really felt like it was an epic.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: And I just googled how long it would take to
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: watch all of the Hunger Games, and they've included the
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: new one of course, in they're like eleven hours and whatever,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know whatever minutes. And I'm like, it does
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: feel at this point like an epic. It feels like
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: it's got the proportions of a thing, like, you know,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have the same like ba Chlorin stuff of it,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: but like of the Lord of the Rings type, you know.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: So I really like this kind of like it's exciting
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: to have this like expanded universe, and it feels like
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: at the end of this it's very Shakespearean it's vague.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I could see this being like Dungeons and Dragons or
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, you know what I mean, like that
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: kind of vibe.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: I also just want to mention that she had the
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: gloves on the outfit, the gloves that Milania also had.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: It's like incredible. And now I'm thinking, because he's twenty fifteen,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: did Milannia wear that outfit based on this character?
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's quite possible.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: If that's true, she would have watched it with Barn.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: She would have watched it with Barn.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: That's true. And she fucking kills coin? Does he need
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: a coin? And man Snow's reaction at at the laughter
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: the moniacle like I ultimately I won. I rode my
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: entire life through this system and I'm already dying, so
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be dead anyway.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Like it was as We'll go to Dick Vane on
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: a rose, Yeah, totally, and he gets Dick veined and.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: And then the crowd fucking kills him.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: They like, but her killing a coin was and like
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: the like beautiful artistic shot of Coin like lying on
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: the ground kind of like splayed out. It's like so cool, so.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: Cool, iconic.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: It's perfect, it's really good. It's the moment, it's everything.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: And then Peter takes her fucking cyanide pill, which so
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: she can't kill herself because Pianel was to do that
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: and kill herself, which.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: Would have been such an amazing move if she would
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: have been able to do it.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: Totally yeah, and then she she's locked up, locked away,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: and Hamish comes comes to I'll sell you this cat
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: and you don't disappoint.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, he's here literally for the funny Lions.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: He kind of has no position of or anything.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: Like, he totally gave him a letter and then he
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: gently moves the hair.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: I love, I love all the gentle emotions.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: Catus. I know this must be a burden to you,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: but I had to put you through it again for
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: this outcome, I would he.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: Basically, if I had to put you through it all
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: for this outcome, I would, because he's basically like, this
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: was my desired effect. Thank you for doing it. But
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: I can't appear to be on your side. I'm sure
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: you'll understand, but I will get a full potton. I'll
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: give you a.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: Full He's sort of like, oh, yeah, like if I could, yeah,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: if I could have instructed you to do this. I
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: would have you did so good on your own.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, totally good job, totally good job. She
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: sexually looked at a snake at my good job. Hamage
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: takes uh says goodbye to Fie. They both say good
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: about it, Fie.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Hamid kisses Fie goodbye.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: He says, don't be a stranger.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a stranger, bring all your drag.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: And then they go back home.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: He's like, what should we do now? He's like, well,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: let's go home, and and.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: They go back to District twelve.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: They go back to District twelve and uh Catness has
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: uh gets really mad at the catness.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: The oh the cat. Yeah, it's such a sad scene
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: and it's very sad. And the way that he's kind
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: of sadly standing as she's screaming at him. I've seen
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: cats kind of like lock into that kind of scared
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  Speaker 1: position before of like I don't know what to do
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  Speaker 1: and I'm scared I don't and we're both leave me alone,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: so I don't know what to do, and it's it
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  Speaker 1: was sad, but then like also she's like trauma bonds
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  Speaker 1: to the cat and in Prince she dares to love
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: again the cat. I think that's symbolic, right, because like
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: she's like she lost her sister and she's like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, my sister fucking loved you so much. I'm
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: going to love you so much.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's Yeah, she got mad at the
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: cat irrationally, so you know, yeah, it's the symbol of
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: of love. And then Peter comes.
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  Speaker 3: Peter comes into planting Primrose, very.
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  Speaker 1: Nice, and they get married or they, I mean they
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: become together.
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  Speaker 3: They become they come together and and they get letters
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: from Annie like saying pictures and like.
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  Speaker 1: The capital's pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like every district had their leader and they
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  Speaker 4: all agreed to do an election.
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  Speaker 1: And seems like they did a Bossian federation type.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like that what's her name, the general.
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  Speaker 4: That's cool. He's going to be the president.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she gets elected president. Yeah.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: Cock coms word is doing some kind of security et
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: Secter two.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: She's got a good job at sector two.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: He's security security.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of like sort of it says like kind
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: of light life. Life moves on.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what sucks is that? Like, dude, life moves
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: on And it's like, okay, I guess like normal now,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: but then you have a kid and you're like, I'm
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: so traumatized. I can only hit you to make me
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: feel I think the same.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing. I was like, you
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: are going to be a terrible parent. You're going to
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: be terrified, You're not going to know what to do.
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  Speaker 3: That's why it should have ended. I mean, you know what.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: Oh I'm so sorry. Keep going. I have another theory
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: as to why, actually it shouldn't have ended the way
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: we think where it's like, oh, they're hugging in bed
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: and she says it's real. It's it's actually better because
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: that she has two kids, because she's so clearly unfit
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: to be a parent, and and like the way she's
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: holding that baby and dead eyed being like one day
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you, I'll tell you what it was like.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: And it's like, no, dude, you're gonna fuck up this kid,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: and you're gonna be like, do you know what it
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: was like during the war, And it's like, okay, mom,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: the war isn't happening anymore. Get some fucking therapy, dude.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's reality, it's real, that's how it would be.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: But they do give us an extra thing of her
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: saying like you know, oh yeah, they do this game
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: where I think of every good thing that everyone has
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: ever done that I've witnessed, and it's it's like something
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: it's like sometimes hard to do it, but you know,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: considering there's other games, this one's not that bad. So
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: she is choosing love, like that's the idea that you
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: can love again. And she can't have this, like she's
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: traumatized forever, but she gets to have some kind of
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: peace piece and kind.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Of new she gets peet it. What do you guys
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: think of Peta and Catnus being the ultimate love story,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: the like self fulfilling prophecy of that too, of like
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: them being inextricably linked in like what became important was
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: actually their symbol of love, their symbol of survival. And
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: it kind of like Peta earns the like the love
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: the like main love interests status. He earns it over
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: like a series of like four movies.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and also it it it's nice to see that
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: love doesn't have to be limited to just like well
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: the handsome guy gets gets the girl, or the most
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: actiony guy gets the girl. It's that like love is
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: multifaceted and like it needs to be longer lasting than
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: just like, well we kind of grew up together and
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: he's hot, so like I'm going to do that guy,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: I mean it's way beyond that. Yeah, it's like it
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: shows the like imperfection of love or just like, yeah,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: the thing that I was saying, like they held on
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: to each other even though all of this was happening.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: They never lost that out of sight, but they believe
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: they trusted, you know, in the essence of who they are.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: And I don't know, cock Kemp.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: Sort's insecurity about their relationship though did end up being true.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: He always had this insecurity about like, you know, be
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: he's kind of picked me right totally.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: But it also it also evolves because of the fact
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: that you know, he he was in he already had
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: the relationship right, So like the first the first one,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: he's going to be confident in the fact that she
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: she's in love with him because he's there, he's he
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: is They are in love with each other, but you know,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: they fall out of love with each other. They're they're interesting, their.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: Stories there, their motivations. Yeah, yeah, exactly, they go in
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: separate ways and that's how it'd be in life too.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's what what is it that.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: The Dan Savage?
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: What does he say where? It's like, yeah, where where
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: if if there's a if there's a hard line that
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: you have, like if one person wants kids and the
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: other person doesn't, Like, that's a hard line, you know
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: what I mean, Like.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: Him killing her sister was a hard line.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: That's a hard line.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: I love it. I love it because it yeah, like
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: you know, like Peta is Yeah, like is this like
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: weird shy guy that showed her mercy when she needed
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: it and ultimately was yeah a person.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nice. It's it's a nice exercise in showing
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: different kinds of how love, how different kinds of loves evolve. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: you write the movie.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: I would. And we also should mention that they have
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: two kids.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: One Asian baby. Did anyone notice those?
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: I did not notice that. I didn't like.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: I just like, for some reason, I'm like, is this is.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: This baby Asian?
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: I have not noticed that. What was I gonna say?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: How would we rate the movie?
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: Well, oh yeah, we're rating the movie, not the whole
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: whole series. This was a great movie. I would rate
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: a eight point.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: Five, Yeah, eight point five or nine even for me,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: I would do a nine. Yeah. I think it's like,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: I think it's a really I think some of the
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: places that it falls short is just in the places
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: that the series might fall short, mainly like the plausibility
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: of a district thirteen. I just feel like it still
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: stretches a lot of credibility of like underground mole people
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: that like have just been militarized and like being like,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it just feels like they wouldn't have
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: these resources the artillery. Like it's just it's weird.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: Why would they It's a shorthand to progress the story.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: I feel like, no, it's literally a baby.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't I don't see that. I honestly don't know.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: Like it was so weird to me. I was like,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: is this baby Asian?
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: Was an Asian game?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: So very cute?
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would so you would give it also a
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: point five nine, nine.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would give it a nine. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: It's a finish of the story and it's so beautifully wrapped.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: I have to I have to like spend this end
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: portion to really shout out Jaylaw's acting, like remarkable, remarkable
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: acting and like compounded on everything we've already seen, like
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: is his story and trajectory, Like we really all know
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: this character at this point. She really embodied the character
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: and I feel like you can't sit with the same
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: character for this long across this much lore and not
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: bring some of yourself to that. And it felt like
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: like such a like cool, vulnerable performance from from her,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: and like I think she did such a good job.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: I was so like just moved by her acting.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole ensemble, like, oh, every character
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: is so familiar at this point and beloved, including presidents
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: now and all like everyone who's kind of epically beloved.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the next question is for Alex, when are
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: we going to see this movie? And Anna said that
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: we'd like to watch it together in theaters if we can,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: and then do it.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know, we can find It's fine to know.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: If it is, we can, let's do it.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: Let's let's do it immediately. Like if it is, let's
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: we can do it.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Like this week?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, this week, like watch it and then immediately
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: then immediately do it out. Yeah.
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