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Community Hour LIVE Replay (January 31st, 2025) · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_01: The next live Q ⁇ A is gonna be Monday, February 24th at 1015 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_01: Eastern Time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so Monday, February 24th, 1015 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_01: um eastern time.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we'll keep moving it to accommodate because we have people from all over the world.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, good.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so Ethan Johnson, I see you have a question.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um go ahead, Ethan.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_10: Hey.
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  SPEAKER_07: Um, my question is actually for uh Joe.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_07: So um how do you know how much to charge for your farm products?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_07: So um I listened to you in like a podcast and you said like something about like 30% profit.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_07: And um, like is that just some number?
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  SPEAKER_07: Is that different from like broilers or first like eggs or beef or dairy, things like that?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_07: Um like I really just want to be able to like value my product like I should, but I also don't want to like overcharge people and I don't want to like you know price people out either.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
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  SPEAKER_07: Um, is there any like resources you'd recommend other than like your two books or however many books that you have on that subject?
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's a great uh there's there's feedback here.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, Joel, hold on.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: Can I ask everybody to mute themselves?
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm trying to see if I can.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_09: I think it's Aaron Macklin's mic, but I can't tell.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: Here, I'm gonna I'm gonna mute people.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that way everybody can hear who has ever responding.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, go ahead, Joel.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, um, Ethan, thanks for the question.
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  SPEAKER_04: It it is a it is one of the most it is a very common question from young farmers, um, because you know, for us, every sale is sacred.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_04: We're desperate for every sale, uh, so we don't want to price ourselves too much.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but at the same time, you know, here we are, we're you know, we're trying to actually make this financially viable.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_04: And obviously, if it doesn't work financially, it it doesn't work.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_04: So a couple of a couple of rules.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the 30% margin is uh is is just a general ballpark uh enterprise margin.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_04: So that's not that's not total business margin, that is enterprise margin.
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  SPEAKER_04: So that's where you're just dealing with your direct costs.
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  SPEAKER_04: You're not dealing with you know taxes and insurance and you know and and and maybe equipment that is used around across many enterprises.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_04: So that this is the 30% margin of what you take in versus what you spend that would go away if you didn't have that enterprise.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_04: That's the definition of a direct cost.
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  SPEAKER_04: A direct cost is a cost that goes away if you weren't doing that.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_04: So uh so 30% is a is a working number.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_04: If you want 35, 40, you know, that's okay.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: Uh just it it it it in general, in general business terms, that kind of enterprise margin, you know, if if uh if then 15% of that or so, maybe even 20, goes to your overheads, then you're still left with a 10% real profit.
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  SPEAKER_04: All right.
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  SPEAKER_04: That's that's the idea.
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  SPEAKER_04: Now, as far as where you're pricing, realize that often when you start, you're not gonna make a profit for a while.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I mean, you've got investments, you've got things to try to, you know, you're not you're not experienced, you're not fast, you're not efficient.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, there's a whole lot of reasons why, you know, you you you would you would maybe not make a profit in your first, you know, your first merry-go round.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um and so when you um when you start pricing, I mean there's a couple of ways to start.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_04: You can obviously go to the grocery store, look for the organic, look for the high quality stuff, and and and start, you know, just mimic mimic that price, or maybe a little more.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um the other and and and obviously as you get experience, then you're gonna want to keep a sharp pencil, watch your watch your expenses, and and set your prices accordingly, and make sure that you account for everything.
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  SPEAKER_04: Don't let don't let a bunch of hidden you know costs uh jump in and and then you're you're hurting yourself.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_04: So if you're you know, it it so if you're um you know, if you're making deliveries, if you're you know, basically uh every babysitting service needs to be accounted for because that's your time, that's what you're doing.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
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  SPEAKER_04: The final thing I'll say about pricing is that the general rule is if 10% if 10% of your customers aren't don't occasionally complain about price, you're leaving money on the tail on the table.
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  SPEAKER_04: And this is called the science of price pointing.
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  SPEAKER_04: Price pointing.
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  SPEAKER_04: And it's it's the it's the psychology of tip over points where things uh become um become unsaleable because they're too expensive.
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  SPEAKER_04: For example, if there's an item at$2.39 and it goes to$2.49, you're not even gonna think a bit.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_04: But if you're making a whole lot of items like that, that$10 an item can can make all the difference in the world, you know, in your in your profit.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_04: And so, you know, as opposed to the price point of say going from$299,$2.99 to$309, okay, that that's a that's a price point.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_04: That's a tip over point that has a psych a psychological impact because it's going over a dollar threshold.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_04: That's why things are priced at two, you know, at at$89 and$99 and 90, you know, that's why they they do that because that's price pointing.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_04: So so you can play with price pointing and see what kind of pushback you get.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_04: And you have to have a bit of a strong stomach for this, because none of us wants to ever hear a complaint.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_04: Nobody ever wants to disappoint a customer.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_04: And and uh I I get that, but if you don't, if you don't hear once in a while, you know, um, and the rule of thumb is 10%.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_04: So imagine you have if 10 out of 100 of your customers walked in your store or looked at your thing and said, Oh, yeah, these things, this is just too high, um, you know, that that would be a level of um well that would be a level of pushback, I think that most of us actually couldn't stand, uh, even though that's kind of the industry standard.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_04: So that's something to keep in mind, and I hope some of those ideas help.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so then we have a question that came in from Chris Thomas, and he's asking, are there any precautions, Joel, that you are taking for avian influenza on your farm?
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_04: Uh none whatsoever, except that we have very healthy chickens.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_04: So the the I mean, we we this this is a great C now, you might want to jump in on this a little bit.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_04: You know, the the philosophical thing is, well, are you doing anything for your health?
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_04: Well, no, I'm not taking any pills, but I'm also not eating Snickers bars and drinking Coca-Cola, and I'm forgiving people I don't like, and um, you know, uh trying to do these other things.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_04: So with our chickens, no, we're not we don't we we're we don't have any you know walk through sheep dip and hazmat uh material protocols or anything or anything like that, but we do uh spend a lot of time and effort on making sure those chickens are happy, comfortable, um uh pretty, actually.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_04: And and uh and that's that's gonna keep the immune system as good as it can be.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, oh wait, let's go.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um Chris uh Trapp, Nebraska has a hand raised.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, Chris.
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  SPEAKER_09: Hello, Joel and Cena, long time listener of the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_09: Uh so great to be with you.
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  SPEAKER_09: Uh, but I just wanted to hear both of your thoughts to address.
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  SPEAKER_09: It feels like, particularly this week, there's been a lot of hysteria about eggs and avian fluenza by the general public that I think we haven't seen uh quite in a while, because it feels like every news outlet and everyone are losing their minds.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_09: Uh and it's like you know, you guys have been talking about this, about them uh soap sudsing the birds for quite a while now, it feels like, and this has been going on, but now all of a sudden they're like Trump isn't uh increasing the egg prices, you know, and it's like let's talk about the avian influenza, and I think there's just a lot of fear and confusion about that.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you look, you can't.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks for the question, Chris.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_04: Look, you can't go and kill millions and millions and millions of chickens without it affecting the price.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, so so uh what we're seeing is is the result of fewer eggs being produced.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, in all in all things biological, there's a there's a slinky.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you know, you can't grow a tomato in a day, you can't grow a chicken in a day.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you can crank up a factory and make, you know, uh copper fittings or PVC pipe, you know, you you can crank that up in a day.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's a it's a pretty uh fast turnaround, but the biological time clock ticks at its own, you know, at its own rate.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_04: And so um yeah, so the egg thing, the egg thing's been going on actually for quite some time.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um I I don't want to get too partisan here, uh, except that I'll just say that the liberals are are melting down.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, they're grasping for anything that they can find to disparage uh Trump.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_04: And uh and the fact that we have high egg prices is is you know the the latest um uh whatever, you know, scapegoat.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_04: And so uh so it you know it is a direct result.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_04: The reason egg prices are so high is it's a direct result of the extermination program.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_04: So let me just say, before I turn over to Cena and let her weigh in on this, just say that the most foolish, the stupidest thing that could ever happen in a in a bird flu reaction is to kill the survivors.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_04: So I know there are there are many, many flocks, many, many flocks uh that are being where there's uh you know one or two and somewhere there's a lot of alleged alleged bird flu.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the Glenn Holloway's telling us they just killed 35 million chickens.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_04: I know it's millions and millions of chickens, uh, and you can't do that without affecting the price.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_04: Here's the thing though, all those chickens they killed, a lot of them, I don't know how many, but a significant percentage were in houses that had bird flu, and a certain a significant percentage never got ill.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_04: Now, you know, if you've got a house of 20,000 chickens and 200 and and and let's see, I've got to get my math right, 20,000 chickens and 19,800 have bird flu and 200 don't, and they just cluck along, you know, and do just fine.
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  SPEAKER_04: Any normal geneticists, steward, you know, caretaker would say, hey, let's keep those 200 and breed them, and in literally a couple generations, we're gonna breed hardiness in these birds, and they're not gonna get bird flu anymore.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_04: But instead, our extermination policy is to wipe out everything and kill all the survivors, too.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_04: So we're absolutely uh being as as anti-science as anti-genetics, anti, you know, uh um sensible, reasonable as you can imagine in this.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'll just um piggyback on what you're saying, that I know that my friends are talking about bird flu more now because now there's been cases in noted in Georgia, and also primarily because we're seeing shortages in the grocery store.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: So now it's affecting them and what they're actually being able to purchase at the grocery store.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like we'll go to the grocery store and we're seeing eggs just gone, or like Whole Foods now has uh has rationing of how many cartons of eggs you can buy.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: So now they're starting to, you know, it's affecting them directly.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: So the conversation is pertaining to bird flu now.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: And on top of all of this, you know, with the transition of Trump coming in and the Senate hearings and everybody's paying attention.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: So the food supply is a big topic right now.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and a lot is changing at one time, or you know, there's a lot of hope that things are gonna change, but there's a lot of also uncertainty when people inherently don't really like change very much.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of harder for a human to adapt to change.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think there's gonna naturally be some type, some type of pushback there, you know, even from a psychological perspective.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: We want the change, but change can be painful, you know, and hard to adapt to.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, um, and I'm gonna jump out of order a little bit with the question because this question pertains to this topic.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Joel, will it be difficult to source chickens for raising broilers this springslash summer due to the bird flu and the scarcity?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_04: I have seen no indication of that.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_04: I I actually don't think that's gonna happen.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_04: The bird flu, uh, my under my understanding, and I may be wrong on this, but and because I man, you know, there's uh it we have a fast-moving news cycle right now, everybody.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but my understanding is that the the bird flu situation has been primarily an egg layer situation and not a broiler situation.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_04: And so because those two industries are completely segregated in the you know in the in the industry, um, I'm not sure that a a big problem in one necessarily means a big problem in the other.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_04: Those two, they're they're just kind of, you know, they they're two different orbits.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_04: And um, and like I say, I I may be wrong on this, but I think, I think, I think I've got and and that's why that's why the egg shortage.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_04: There's not a to my knowledge, there's no broiler shortage.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, I haven't seen anything, heard anything.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, everybody's, you know, on board, gung-ho.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_04: We've we've just made our you know our our year's uh orders and have been talking to hatcheries um uh you know uh more than one.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_04: And in fact, they just had the American Pastured Poultry Producers uh conference in uh in Dallas, uh whatever, last week, and nothing was said about this from anybody in the industry.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_04: So I I'm assuming that the broilers are probably okay.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_04: The layers might be a might be a different issue.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, great.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: And along those lines, this question comes from Gary.
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  SPEAKER_01: If I wanted to buy a cow to put to pasture and I want to not vaccinate, do I need to buy from a farm with a history of it vaccinating?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Or I'm imagining he's saying a history of it not vaccinating, or just start with anything that I get.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: So, Joel, if you want to put a cow to pasture and you don't want to vaccinate, do you need to get the cow from a farm that doesn't vaccinate?
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: Is it okay if they had vaccinated that cow?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_04: Man, uh here's where you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_04: Look, if you want to get a cow, get a cow.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and and and don't don't get too whatever uh cultish about some of the you know, if it's been vaccinated or not.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be really, really hard maybe to find one that's never.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, we don't vaccinate our cows, but um uh it's it's almost impossible.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_04: Even within the uh uh organic, I mean organic allows vaccination uh and even encourages it.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh even among grass farmers, um there there's there's a huge tension about you know vaccination or not.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_04: And so that's one that we don't um that that I I I I I just think is too difficult, you know, get the cow.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_04: Now, um what you don't want is a cow that's been fed a lot of grain, because that can have some pretty serious intestinal digestion rumen, you know, rumen, microbial rumen uh uh situations.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_04: But um, but I I wouldn't if you've got a good cow, she's been vaccinated, and you've got a guy that you can trust and it seems all good, um, you know, go ahead.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_04: It's better better to have the vaccinated cow uh than no cow at all.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, great.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_05: And then Glenn, Glenn Halloway, Joel, if you don't mind if I chime in on that, uh, because I answered that in the chat right below what he said.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_05: You know, Pam and I have been following this for a long time.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_05: The study, of course, in in uh Canada showed that vaccines and uh herbicides and pesticides like glyphosate, they cross the blood-brain barrier, which means they also have been found in 90% of the core blood of women.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_05: So if it kind of depends on how important it is to your family to have a quote-unquote clean cow that may not be carrying some of those spike proteins and things in it.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_05: But I agree, of course, with Joel.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_05: A cow to have is better than not a cow.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_05: But if it's if it's a main health concern, then that's one of the things I think you probably have to look at is that vaccines are transmitted through generation, and we have found that through studies.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, is that all vaccines or just mRNA?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_05: Right now it's uh been MNRA.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, all vaccines.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_05: It's one of those things where you don't like to assume, but you know you can kind of assume.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_04: So so my my my sense is, and Zena might have more on this.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_04: My sense is that this blood brain, uh, this this multi-generational blood brain uh kind of thing is is we're seeing that in the mRNA, not in the very old style live vaccines that have been used since 1900.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_04: And and and so uh um there again, I yeah, I would tell I would tell Gary, um, yeah, you definitely don't want a yeah, I should have made that distinct, but I I I don't consider mr mRNA a vaccine.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_04: MRNA is a is a genetic manipulation, uh, it is not a vaccine.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_04: So I I yeah, I probably brushed that too uh too easily.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_04: So let me amend my comments uh to say you don't, yeah, um I I wouldn't die on the old style live vaccine hill, but you definitely don't want one from an mRNA vaccine.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_04: And the chances are the farmer that would have the mRNA cow, since it's only been out for you know uh fewer than 10 years, that farmer is probably going to be a farmer that is so conventional you wouldn't want a cow from him anyway.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's that's that's indeed true.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and you know we we've been we've been following this uh pretty close for some time.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_05: And yeah, the the old vaccines seem to be be okay.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_05: And the MNRA vaccines literally got patented in 2016 and haven't been around except for the last couple of years, and they don't have a mandate yet from the USDA that you have to get them.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_05: So your odds of finding a herd that doesn't have an MNRA-based vaccine is probably still pretty high.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's correct.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_04: That's correct.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_04: There aren't that they're out there, but not very many yet.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks, Joel.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry to cut you in.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, good, thanks.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh glad to glad to see you.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, I think that's great.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: We have the best community ever.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like the most knowledgeable community.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'll piggyback on what Glenn was saying.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and of course, my knowledge is mostly in humans, you know.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I have Joel for the livestock part.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, I echo what Glenn's saying about the um the mRNA vaccine in terms of all the other vaccines.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we do know that it can change the physiology, of course, of you know, the organism that's that's receiving that vaccine.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so while you may not be passing down like generational changes um in the genome from the traditional vaccines, you can certainly affect offspring through changes in your own physiology as a consequence of having the vaccination.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: And not everybody has those negative changes.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I'm not saying anything like that.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying that in some instances we have seen changes.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: We do know that they can cause leaky brain in some people, uh, which is equivalent of like a leaky gut, if you want to think of it um, you know, like visualizing it in picture.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's like having a leaky gut, but applicable to your brain.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: And we do know that then metals can cross um the blood-brain barrier and go into the brain.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: And glyphosate is one of the best chelators to get it into the brain.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: So there are still some metals in some of the vaccines.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: So that is a possibility that that could happen, um, at least in the in the human realm.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: So those are so those physiological changes can actually affect the offspring down the road.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to just affect the genome to affect your offspring.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_04: You know, Sina, if you had said that in these um confirmation Senate hearings with RFK Jr., if you had said that um the the the the the the people would have exploded uh isn't it isn't it interesting though that in these hearings and as the as they're obviously crucifying rk jr on on questioning vaccines that nobody has mentioned the difference between mRNA and the old style vaccines i mean they they're they're just all lumped together and and you know it could be it could be that if 1987 had never happened and we were still in the old you know uh whatever three vaccines you know per kid if we were still in that in that realm it could be that the vaccine discussion would would would never even have happened yeah yeah it that's quite possible and let me before i chime in let's let a listener chime in um okay i'm gonna butcher this name uh yeah how do you budget have fun with that cena i know i'm like you're you're the editor not me like you should be calling the names out i i totally apologize i'm gonna say prim rose has raised the hand how do you say that it's my daughter's it's my daughter's name so i'm using her computer her n her name is cena just like the dr cena here so oh this is it's it's dr cena your name's almost the mirror image of pronunciation that's the closest we've ever since we named her 15 years ago so that's incredible i've never met any other Cena's except my mother of course her name was Cena this is our Cena my my first name's cremona and uh hello Joel and Cena thank you for the all giving us the opportunity my question is for Joel happy to have met you in Alberta a few years back in 2018 my husband and I are searching for the best location country to move to uh for our children's future my question to you is because you have traveled internationally have you ever traveled to Russia I've what been watching farming YouTubers leave on Ontario moving to Russia to be able to give their children the opportunity similar to what farming was economically in the 1950s and 60s I've heard Russia farms without GMOs they've but I've seen commercial farming there as well have you been there and what is your opinion of Russia farming wow the closest I have been to Russia is Bulgaria which of course was communist it was one of the uh it was it was not actually in the Soviet in the official Soviet Union but it was kind of a satellite I also have friends uh that have gone to Romania um not Russia proper so I can't answer that but but you know all of those old Soviet uh satellite kind of places um you know I've been to Hungary Hungary of course was was in that orbit as well and um my sense is that it it is if you have the financial wherewithal and the whatever mental and emotional fortitude to I mean if you're gonna make a move I think there are way worse places you could go.
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  SPEAKER_04: I remember well a a friend who went to Romania and uh in Romania if you had two dairy cows you were upper middle class you know the thing is the old Soviet Union was so collectivized its farming was so collectivized that that um entrepreneurs entrepreneurs are almost uh whatever they're they're they're odd because for literally a couple of generations the you know the the the government the the the schools the whole society was against entrepreneurism so if you go there with savvy and with get up and go um you you might be surprised at what you could accomplish and and it's rich the the land is rich the soil is rich um yeah I I I can think of a I can think of a lot of worse places if you're gonna go someplace I can think of a lot of worse places that you would want to go thank you I love how you put a spin on things Joel yeah and like I can think of worse places like it's not the worst place you could go to well you know you you didn't ask if it was the best place you is it is it possible um you know in in general the I mean for example Hungary okay in in Hungary you I was just there and if you can they actually administer a test you can't have a farm you can't have a farm unless you pass their farm test it which is basically a language test so you know they ask you know they ask you if you know the different like the test will ask if you know the difference between a a bull and a heifer uh or uh you know a pullet and a rooster okay mainly they're looking at are are can you speak Hungarian uh that's the main reason for the farm test it's very easy you that they just want your they don't want somebody to come and that that can't speak Hungarian they love their Hungarian language you can have that desk you can the the people that I met today when I was there doing the conference you know land you you could buy acreage there uh you you couldn't buy all you wanted I'm trying to remember the stipulations I don't think you could buy more than 500 for whiskey honey lemon but it was only um it was only like man 200 an acre it was it was cheap it was cheap so if you can jump through the hoops to um you know to to get into that situation yeah you you can convert you know if you had a hundred thousand dollars Canadian and went to one of those uh countries uh you would be a very very rich person oh that's awesome so then um joel just to piggyback on Sina's question which is so weird to say but really cool what would be like three of the top places for you if you were going to pick three top places for farming like to start your own homestead oh um probably not Russia proper but one of like like Bulgaria Hungary in other words the the the the perimeter think about the perimeter of the old Soviet Union um be so so those are good uh also down in the tip of South America Uruguay Paraguay um you know Argentina right now with uh with Malay it's in a it's in an amazing uh spot don't know where that's gonna go but certainly way down in the tip with uh uruguay and paraguay uh you know land is fairly cheap there are there are a huge number of American expats in um in in especially in uruguay and um and it's a you know it it is a an agricultural Mecca um so yeah and and if you if you ever want to eat a memorable steak that you'll never forget go to go to Uruguay uh your Uruguay I mean the the steaks there are out of this world oh awesome okay so then I'm gonna jump over I'm gonna get to the hands in just a minute let me jump over the chat box so I'm not ignoring them so this comes from Aaron Brand what are some of the best um or better layman's resources for understanding whether or which vaccine if any to inoculate my children with the first three six four and two we've more or less followed the schedule but I'm very hesitant with my three month old and want to be more informed for my wife and our doctors and then if you scroll down um Adrian suggested a book by Dr.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: Paul Thomas um that methodically addresses that question so um this is a I think this is a great question because particularly now with Kennedy bringing so much awareness and movement um behind this idea of inoculation there's a lot of people who are questioning it so you know I actually started and then Joel I'll have you jump in too I No you're the you're the vaccine queen you go ahead I don't know if I want that title but um so um I actually started with that documentary uh the truth about vaccines which I believe you can still access for free online it was you know the one by uh Bollinger Ty Bollinger so and then that one led to uh the like the truth about pet vaccines or something like that.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um but anyhow I started with that it was a very it was free it was online so I could do it from the convenience of my home and it was very slow and it had a lot of different um a lot of different experts in that space speaking.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you got to hear a lot of different um opinions and perspectives and then I branched out from there and basically started going to original sources myself and then looking up some other experts in the field uh like people debunking you know polio um things like that so if you wanted an easy place to start you know I like this book that was recommended um by Adrian but you can also just start with that free summit uh that's online um and also so maybe um I'm not sure the best way to do this maybe just nodding heads or right or typing in the comment um is would our audience because you know we like to basically put forward shows that are interesting and useful for you guys you know so we're constantly trying to get in your head and figure out what what you think.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: So would it be useful if we had a program about um like kind of walking through some of the vaccines and maybe bringing the information forward about okay what what was happening with polio before the vaccine and then after the vaccine and maybe even bringing on an expert to talk about these things and kind of debunking some of the myths behind vaccines.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_05: So is anybody interested in that kind of a episode okay we have one hand two hands three hands yes yes okay yes okay so lots of yeses oh tons of yeses in the chat okay okay great i i I think when you ask when you ask folks do you want information uh the answer is always yes yeah great okay great so uh we'll put that on the schedule so let's go to um glenn glenn hallway again go ahead glenn i hate to be hogging so much time but as you know my or Joel knows uh my wife Pam Holloway was the head nurse of pediatrics for the army uh and did a lot of research on these vaccines and things and I think you noticed yesterday during the confirmation hearing that there was quite some consternation about like you know the uh some of the vaccines when and you give them uh the hospitals will say hey you're uh a lot of that we have we just delivered a couple babies here this last week and we had trouble even getting the babies out of the hospital without getting what they determined was necessary vaccines which if you look at at that age and stage of the baby is more dangerous than if you waited like three to four months because you're you're trying to you know you're trying to put them all together uh a maximum of 22 vaccines to a child that's had more detriment to their health than healthy.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: So I I think I think what you have surveyed here it would be very very helpful for a lot of people because uh it's really up to the parents not the uh not the doctors and they have to have an educated decision not just being what they're told like a lot of things were like covet I love that okay let's hear from um Jason do is it do Bioski hey I think uh Adrian's actually been waiting longer than I have so oh I'm sorry I can't see them in uh does anybody see like I just see people's hands raised I don't see them in an order am I missing something are you guys able to see them in an order no is her hand was up before mine so oh it's fine I'm not keeping track I'm just enjoying with okay ladies first then all right so I had a couple questions if I can ask too but I wanted to go back to the vaccines and just say um so my oldest child is almost 13 and I started out just following the CDC schedule I didn't know anything I was a new mom I just did what my pediatrician told me to do and Paul Thomas and the truth about vaccines changed my mind on that I kind of came kicking and screaming but once once you look at all the science and the research and the history of it I just couldn't I I couldn't do it anymore.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_03: So now you fast forward to my youngest child who is five and a half years old and she hasn't had any vaccines and she's also never been to the doctor for any reason.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_03: She's very healthy um so I just wanted to say that but so I had two questions uh they're both for Joel's so the first one is Joel a couple of years ago we met at a conference and had a long conversation and got into an interesting topic but then we kind of um wandered on to a rabbit trail and for a question but you were telling me how you had had this idea of doing a seven acre farm as like a um uh like as a demonstration site to show how little space a family really needed to to I don't know that if you would say be self-sufficient um but basically how much you could do on seven acres and I don't think we you ever completed your thought as far as I know the state of Virginia wasn't gonna let you do that demo site because of the way that you wanted to do it holistically and naturally but I kind of wanted to hear more about that and like what you would do with that seven acres.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that was the first question.
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  SPEAKER_04: All right well I think I think that probably came from a result of working with the Museum of American Frontier Culture which is located here in in on the edge of Stanton it's a it's a costumed living history museum uh when they put it in they wanted it to rival Williamsburg when it was originally done and it it is it is a huge a huge thing now I don't know how many people work there but I worked with them early on um split rail fence and some heritage buried chickens and and and different things and and what they've got is they they've um the idea of it was to to take a moment in time and I think they chose 1840 and so they they actually dismantled farm buildings in England farm buildings in Germany farm buildings in Africa and they have brought these here to show what what farming in europe was in 1840 and then they have an American farm that's the the you know the the the composite of these uh of these european farms and so I went to them and uh approached them seriously about you so each of these farms actually takes about five to seven acres and uh I went to them and approached them about well you've got extra land over here on the corner could we do a a modern a modern no chemical you know uh uh farm here uh to to showcase that and of course it wasn't in their charter because you know they're they're a museum they're not for you know futuristic or anything like that and I think that was the context I was mentioning so what would I do with seven acres well certainly the first thing I would have is a is a big garden and then I would have fruit trees and then I would have livestock that I would move around uh and and uh you know electric fence and I'd have you know a milk cow or two and um of course on seven acres I could grow you know if you take if you take an acre out for the garden and the and the home um you know you have six acres left I mean on six acres you can grow you know 3600 broilers you could grow uh a thousand laying chickens you could have a couple of milk cows you could have uh grow a couple of beef for your own uh freezer you could you know you could have probably you know 20 or 30 hogs at least a year you could for some i mean uh you could eat one or two and then sell the rest of them the point is that when you add all that up in seven acres you can basically um make a living and that was you know that was the idea yeah that's just an interesting thought it really struck me and my husband particularly because we have seven acres so it was like oh cool we could do like we can do that yeah so so my my challenge for anybody like that um and to you is fill it up every every time you think it's full you can add something else I mean you can add bees you can add you can add uh flowers you can add uh decorative things then you can start value adding you can take you know you can you can take your chickens and turn them into pot pies if you you know you get a inspected kitchen uh you know there's there's uh uh or or if you or if you go under the radar selling a black market I'd find with that too but but but my my point my point is that every time I think that that that I've I've stretched the end of what you can do with a small acreage I run into somebody who is who is doing more you know uh Ben Hartman uh with Lean Farm the author of Lean Farm he's got 1.5 acres uh he's made a full-time living and has has employees on 1.5 acres uh so you know um singing singing frogs farm in um in uh petaluma california five acres uh full time they even cash flowed the price of land which was$25,000 an acre uh you know I I I I just meet people that are so um uh amazingly productive and creative that I I I never uh I never want to limit somebody say we got to have this much acreage you know because I'm always blown away by how much can be done yeah right now there's a guy there's a guy in Africa in uh where is he I think he's in Nigeria or or he's he's there in uh Western Africa and he's got this small acreage and he he found a bunch of used culverts took a torch popped holes and uh uh pockets in them and and he he made out of like two his two acres the equivalent and he grows broccoli broccoli he he takes these old culverts that are like you know 24 inches wide packs them with dirt and compost drips water in them and they're covered with broccoli he's growing 25 acres worth of broccoli on two acres in these 12 foot towers that's amazing so if I could ask a second question it would be and and maybe you've addressed this and like in your blog or a video somewhere and I just didn't catch it but I wanted to know what was what was sort of the status of you being on some sort of advisory committee or counsel for RFK Junior.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_03: What will that look like?
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_03: What would your role be?
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_03: What can you tell us about it?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: And wait and let me interject real fast we only have about 15 minutes left and we have a lot of questions.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: So if we can just pretend it's like lightning round Joel from here on out like we're always very long-winded we want to be thorough but I do want to get to as many questions as possible.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_04: Okay all right we'll we'll go so so the whole advisory thing I was contacted a month before the election uh about the possibility of going in in some sort of uh of a uh USDA role and um to make a long story short I haven't heard anything from anybody so I have no expectations they didn't pick my person for secretary either and so you know I I I'm not I don't have any expectations and don't have anything to report okay great great questions Adrian thank you so much let's hop over to Jason hey so some uh some context for my question here real quick um I'm currently in training at the uh US Army Medical Center of Excellence uh to become a dietitian for the Army and of course as a branch of the federal government um all of our classes instruction there takes any uh dietary guidelines that sort of thing issued by the
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_08: Government as you know, God's word.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_08: So um I I'm uh I'm acting kind of as a bit of a subversive influence in my class by plugging your podcast to my classmates and and uh and the stuff you guys talk about.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I was wondering Ravel Rousers.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_08: So the things that you guys talk about, like uh a while back you talked about how the um the guidelines regarding uh gluten content were formulated back in like World War II and and you know aren't aren't accurate for for various reasons, or you know, the stuff about how half the studies, the early studies on aspartame were funded by Coca-Cola, and you know, you can see the differences in the results between those and the ones that weren't.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_08: Are there any resources or anything where I can find stuff like that?
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_08: Um just to kind of because you know, everything we talk about, if I'm gonna counter something that I need to have the research to back it.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, you definitely need to substantiate it.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: So uh uh Joel, do you want to chime in first?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want me to go first?
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, this is completely yours, Nina.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: So some um we do try to include uh references in the show notes, but I will say a lot of times I have references ahead of time for what I think we're gonna talk about.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then we get into it, and now the shows are an hour and we just start talking about all kinds of stuff.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes I don't go back and go and try to find a reference to stick in the show notes.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: So you're always welcome to email us directly and ask for specific references.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: I will try to do my best to remember to go back and you know, add in any other references.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: So some of the stuff that we talk about when it comes to uh like policies, uh like dietary guideline things or the birth of the FDA or GMOs or GRASS Um or RBGH, those are all um highly originally sourced referenced from my first book.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll oftentimes I don't go through and find the references again because they're all in my book.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um things like hands off my food.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was my Jason.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_04: That Jason, that would be a great.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_04: Let me just because I know Cena doesn't w want to plug her own book, but I know it's posting.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh hand hand hands off hands off my food was Cena's first book.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_04: And uh that that was a that was a blockbuster for me.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_04: I I felt like it really handled a lot of these issues uh as well as anybody.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like if somebody's new to it, yeah, yeah.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: If someone's new to the feel, you know, to this concept that you may not want to blindly trust the food supply, that was a good book to start with because that's what I found as I was learning not to blindly trust the food supply.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: And if you read through that whole book, you know, I I don't know if you can read it and ever trust the food supply again, like after because it's all original source documents.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, things like um like gluten, for example, and how that came from the diet from um regulations that were set forth in World War II.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: I did write an article on on that very concept.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: So um if you email me, I can send you that article and that has original sources within that article.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess I'm this kind of a long answer, but I mean the short answer of it is um, you know, email us if we forget to put a reference there in in the show notes, email and ask us for the original documentation, and I'm happy to send that to you.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: And we will try our best to include all these in the show notes.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: And let me ask too, um, because obviously, like I said, we're here for you guys.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: Do you guys have you seen any of the episodes this year where we have the longer one-hour format?
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: Has anybody seen those?
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: You could shake or you can add a comment.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, do you like it better that we're doing the one hour format now?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yay, okay, good.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: Longer yes, yes, everybody, yes.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, yay.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yes, it's better.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think Joel and I think it's better too, even after the first one.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, we finally don't feel rushed, like we can be ourselves and have a good conversation and still get the information out.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: So this is great.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, wonderful.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so let me go back to one of these questions and then I'll jump back over here to to Sarah.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um someone, sorry, I have to go back up to the top.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um I have a small farm with 300 egg layers.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: I want to scale up to 2,000 egg layers this year.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: How do I find um the things on the top of it?
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: How do I find the customers?
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, sorry, it's it's pushing something on top of it.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's scary to grow so much.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: I have enough customers for 300 hens.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, Joel, how do you find these customers when you want to scale up?
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_04: Oh man, I mean, uh we we could do it, we could do a whole day.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_04: I do a whole uh two-day seminar on marketing for the Stopman Grass Farmers School.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, I mean, this is this is a marketing question, and it's the same thing whether you're doing beef or tomatoes or mushrooms or or uh you know tinctures.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um you find them one at a time.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_04: You have to find your find your tribe, know, know who you're talking to.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_04: And today that conversation is happening on social media, so you have to be pretty social media savvy or have somebody who does that for you to to speak your narrative, to tell your to show your pretty pictures, to catch your vision and to explain your vision, your messaging uh for people.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, that uh that sounds like a pretty aggressive uh increase to me.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_04: And um and so you're gonna have to think through that pretty aggressively.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, as someone who over the years has jumped forward too fast and then ended up feeding five thousand dollars worth of eggs to pigs, that gets really expensive pig feed.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_04: So um, you know, so so the you know, everybody wants to everybody loves to talk about direct marketing, but the downside of direct marketing is if you raise one thing more than you can sell, its value is zero.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_04: That's the risk of direct marketing.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_04: So just keep that in mind as you expand.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe you don't want to expand that that fast.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_04: I would say you should jump incrementally and maybe go from 300 to 600 or 800 this year and then you know take it, take it gently.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: And real fast, Lori has a comment here.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: Cena, I check uh the Georgia Department of Ag website and I find a quote funny that it doesn't say anything but commercial poultry.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it doesn't indicate layers or meat.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I Joel and I find that funny too.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: And in fact, remember, Joel, before one of the podcasts were recorded, maybe last month, I had you look at the website, this government website with me, and I was like, help me figure out this terminology and what's because it's it did it didn't even add up.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: The numbers didn't even add up.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: So so Lori, we're right on like we're side by side with you.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: We also think it's funny, like in not a ha ha funny way.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's go to Sarah.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: She's been patiently waiting.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Sarah.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is that me, Sarah?
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, oh yeah, I'm sorry.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_06: No, there's usually a lot of if yeah, foryan anyway, you want to say there's usually a lot of Sarah's and uh I kept disconnecting, but that was actually my egg layer question, and I won't waste your time, but let me just could I please just say, wow, is this so exciting to talk to you?
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_06: And and Joel, you're you're my hero, and just thank you for everything.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm a huge Kennedy supporter, and it's like I finally found my people.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_06: So you all mean so much to me.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you so much.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_06: I don't have a lot of people, I'm in Oregon.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_06: There's a lot of people that are not loving of the type of thinking of more libertarian types.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_06: So, anyways, thank you so much.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: We have definitely you have definitely found your people with us.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: We feel the exact same way.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was actually really looking forward to this live QA.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: And also, that's a good segue to bring up.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: We've had several listeners who have um sent comments about wanting to have more ways to connect.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_01: And one of them mentioned Discord, who I'm not familiar with at.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: I asked our editor Nolan about it today.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: And he said that if the community is interested, it could be a great way to connect because, like, I could get on and post things, you can communicate directly.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: And he said he believes it's a way that people can find each other locally and connect that way, which was something that listeners have have sent in and wanted to do.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: They want to connect with their fellow Beyond Label listeners in their local community.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_01: Is that something that you guys are interested in doing?
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, would you do you want us to create some kind of community forum like Discord or something like that, so that you can connect to each other?
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, people are saying yes, Discord, yes, yes to Discord.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, great.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_04: Cena, you're so funny asking these.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh you don't have to ask that.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_04: Of course, you know people want to connect.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_04: Come on.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, like I just want to make sure before I have Nolan do a bunch of work that also because it means one of us, either me or Joel, will need to get in the community and communicate and post stuff.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: And you know it's not gonna be Joel.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_04: So it's not gonna be me.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's not gonna be me.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody knows seen as the brains of this outfit.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_04: I I I've just I've just my my whole life, I've just become really good at hooking my hooking my caboose to a good engine.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_04: So uh I'm the caboose hooked to a good engine.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we're like kind of two stumbling blind people as I'm trying to figure out how to coordinate through Zoom and click, you know, mute some people and and figure out who's raising their hand first.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_04: So there's uh there's there's there's Derek Derek up there, Cena.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Derek, okay, good.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh oh, let's see.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, great.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: Derek, go for it.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, uh, my question's for both of you.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_02: I was wondering, uh, what's your guys' next book, either together or separately, that you guys are working on, and when would that come out, or is there nothing in the works?
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_04: Or well, my answer is real quick.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, I have a new one coming out this year.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_04: Uh that's that's gonna be the first time I haven't started from scratch.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_04: So, what I'm doing is I'm I'm compiling all of the essays, columns that I did for Mother Earth News during my multiple years uh writing the pitchfork pulpit column.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_04: The title of the book will be Pitchfork Pulpit, because that was the title of the articles.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_04: And I just want to preserve them for because you know, look, uh, everybody every day, hundreds at least, maybe thousands, but certainly hundreds of people are coming to this movement every day.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_04: New, new, you know, new voices, new and they they had they don't know the background, they haven't seen you know the the old the old stuff.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_04: And I you know, I'm such a history buff, and I love I love you know the the the old stuff, the platforms, the the original stuff.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_10: And so um I was like down here.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_07: Are you seriously?
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_07: Oh my gosh, my house is amazing now.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_07: Um Aiden wanted to ask you if he can have when you're done.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I just muted.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry about that.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: Zane, anything for you?
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, um, so well, as Joel knows, um I'm in a transition.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: We we didn't really mention it to anybody along the way, but about nine months ago, my husband lost his job.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so I stepped in and got a second job.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's the job I got with Epoch, um, you know, as a health reporter with them.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyhow, I was doing the two jobs and homeschooling and making all the food and all the stuff.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: And it, and so now fortunately, my husband has a new job, just started this week.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: So uh I'll be able to step back, which is great because I was reaching burnout.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'll be able to step back.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so now I'm actually putting more focus into the podcast um and different speaking gigs.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like Joel and I are gonna go to the Rogue um health conference together in March in Florida.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna do that.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna peer together in that.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but my passion is really with the podcast.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna keep doing that and then put my focus on getting the two days of truth presented by Beyond Labels Summit uh up and running for next year so that our community can have a space where we can come together annually together.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_04: So so I'm yeah, and and and to and to generate and to fill that up to where we actually, I mean, that's held here at Polly at the farm in the Lunatic Learning Center.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_04: And uh and so part of that goal is do is to um to actually fill up that venue.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: We need to fill it up so that we can pay for it.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: It hasn't filled the the last um few years.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: So so we're trying to get it up and running earlier so we can start advertising earlier.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, we already got Jeffrey Smith signed on, who is just a rock star in this field.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_01: So we've been very fortunate to get him.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I'm lining up some other great um health health experts as we speak.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: But that's what I have planned.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and I'm also going to be um because I I've learned how important it is to to rewire the nervous system.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm actually going to be creating an online course where I teach people how to rewire their nervous system, you know, to reverse disease or um achieve calmness, you know, uh not feel overwhelmed anymore.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: So so that's kind of my my space right now, and then I'll jump back into books in a little bit.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're about out of time, but Glenn does have his hand raised.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's been very patient.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Glenn, do you want to ask the last question?
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_05: Because we are all interested in getting small farmers, uh, more of them, and local processing centers and things.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_05: This is kind of for Joel.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I haven't found a good place, Joel.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, I used to process uh, as you know, using Poultry Man, which was out of Pennsylvania.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_05: Uh good product.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_05: It was bought out by an English company, so the price of a scalder went from$600 now to$6,000, and it's totally out of reach to get a setup.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_05: And the only one that I've seen out there that's still on the market is Featherman, and I'm not really impressed with their quality of their product or its capability to process day after day.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_05: I know you've got some really good uh stainless steel stuff there on the farm, but have you read into anything that could replace that down at the very small area that would like to do, you know, 100 chickens a day uh for a period of time, like the people that are doing it and then done with it for the year?
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_05: I I just don't see the equipment that can handle that in the feather man, and the poultry man has gone and out of reach financially.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's a that's a good question.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I am I'm not completely up on that, but but uh you're right.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_04: That space is that space is is really hard right now.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Featherman in in as far as I can see is probably the best.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um what what I would suggest on Featherman is um is they're using a a propane hot water heater.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um so that they they have so the thing is as soon as you go to their kind of commercial end, then it gets up to where the price is about the same as the you know as the um the poultry man.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_04: And so you know there there's there's almost there's very little you know there's yard bird, but their stuff is very, very poor, in my opinion.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um there's almost there's almost nobody now that's that's really filling that little you know under$2,000 space for somebody that's just doing the hundred.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's um it's it's kind of moved into that more uh doing whatever five thousand a year kind of space.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_04: And um so as far as I can tell, Featherman, Featherman is probably the best out there right now for the money.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_04: Uh maybe it's not perfect, but it's probably the best out there for the money.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, appreciate that.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_05: I've actually considered going to a manufacturing place here and just seeing if somebody can build me one.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_05: Thanks, Joel.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay, that's fantastic.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_01: We're about out of time.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Stephanie just posted does anyone know if this recording will be emailed to us all?
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_01: So it will be.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I'm recording it.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: Our editor Nolan is going to have it ready to go by Tuesday of next week, and he'll send it out to everybody.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Joel Lenny, last comment to sign us off.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_04: Well, this is this is the this is a first.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I'm I'm del Cena, I'm delighted.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_04: What did we have?
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_04: Uh a hundred people or more.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and uh I'm delighted with the response here and my and every everybody's everybody's smiling, nobody's angry, and um and so it's it's just I I I feel very warm and affirmed and and nothing but uh blessed and thankful for the response that we've gotten on this first one, and we hope that it can uh it can grow and serve our community even better.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and we have these every month.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um just let it just a reminder, we will have these every month.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_01: We will change the date and the time to try to accommodate people in different time zones.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: And Joel, there's been a request for you to pray us out.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_04: Oh sure.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_04: All right, uh our Lord, thank you for this uh time together.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for um bringing this tribe together.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, as we heard one uh Lori, I think, our people.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_04: And so thank you for helping us connect and to build this community.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_04: And Lord, just bless the efforts of everyone here that they would be discerning and savvy and um and uh as wise as serpents and harmless as doves in a in a culture that desperately needs functionality and uh and humility and innovation.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_04: So let us be a community that um that brings hope and help when everything else is hopeless and helpless.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_04: We pray in our Savior's name.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_04: Amen.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that was beautiful.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: All right, everybody.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see you next month, hopefully.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_01: Bye bye.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for joining us.