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Eric Nies guides us through “The Real World” of Ayahuasca · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 2: Hi, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Misunderstood. I'm your host, Rachel Yucatel. So
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  Speaker 1: to say this guest takes us on a journey is
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  Speaker 1: an understatement. I was beyond excited to talk to Eric Neese,
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  Speaker 1: obviously famous for being on the very first season of
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  Speaker 1: MTV's The Real World. We got to talk all about that.
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  Speaker 1: And I was super excited to have him here. However,
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  Speaker 1: the reason why I really wanted him on Misunderstood is
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  Speaker 1: to talk more about something that I am so interested
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  Speaker 1: in and I think it's very misunderstood. That is the
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  Speaker 1: world of ayahuasca. He helps others discover the healing world
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  Speaker 1: of ayahuasca. And if you're a fan, if you're curious,
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  Speaker 1: or if you're a naysayer, you won't want to miss
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  Speaker 1: Eric's insights and his firsthand experiences. So please sit back
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  Speaker 1: and welcome Eric Neese. But I want to know how
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  Speaker 1: it is in Hawaii right now. Is that where you are?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, boy. Yeah, I live on the north shore of Kauai,
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  Speaker 2: and the fires are on Maui, so it's on another island,
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  Speaker 2: but it's just absolutely devastating, sad, beyond imagination. You know,
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  Speaker 2: a whole town, a whole community... just devastated, hundreds and
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of people still missing. Yeah, it couldn't be any worse. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So did it happen in the middle of the night
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  Speaker 1: or something? Is that why people didn't have the time
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  Speaker 1: to escape?
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of stories going around about what happened.
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  Speaker 2: There's information that's coming out every day, supposedly. uh, winds
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  Speaker 2: from a hurricane that were like 600 miles away to
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  Speaker 2: the South. Um, you know, somehow fueled this, um, maybe
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  Speaker 2: it was a downed power line. They're not quite sure. Um,
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  Speaker 2: the sirens didn't go off. The, the wind was blowing
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  Speaker 2: really fast. So the embers were flying very quickly and
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  Speaker 2: everything went up like so, so fast, but, um, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: people just couldn't get out of town fast enough.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. I mean, that's just so incredibly devastating. I spent
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Christmas vacations in Lahaina and, um, I
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  Speaker 1: actually studied humpback whales in college and I was there
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  Speaker 1: for like half a semester and, um, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: such a beautiful place and it's, that's just so devastating
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  Speaker 1: and awful.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, did you guys have the smoke? Like when I
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  Speaker 1: was in New York, we had the, um, the fires
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  Speaker 1: from Canada was blowing and it was like, it looked
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  Speaker 1: like we were in Armageddon. I mean, it was like
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  Speaker 1: a haze. Did that happen with you guys or is it,
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  Speaker 1: is it, did it not work that way? Cause you
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  Speaker 1: guys are an Island.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The wind was Maui's far from, from here and
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  Speaker 2: the wind was blowing in a completely different direction. Wow. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, so we can start. I just wanted to ask
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  Speaker 1: you about that. Cause I, I'm, I just feel so
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  Speaker 1: awful for what people are going through there. Devastating.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you for asking. Appreciate that. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Eric, thank you so much for joining me on misunderstood.
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  Speaker 1: It's such an honor to meet you because you are
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  Speaker 1: like the OG grandfather of reality TV and reality TV
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  Speaker 1: has become such a big deal since since your days
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  Speaker 1: of doing it, as you know. I mean, it was
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  Speaker 1: also back then. But I am having you on the
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  Speaker 1: show because I really want to talk to you about
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  Speaker 1: ayahuasca and the mysteries and the questions surrounding that. But
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  Speaker 1: before I can even start that, I mean, it would
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  Speaker 1: be remiss if we didn't talk for a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about your journey of why you do that now, why
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  Speaker 1: it's so important to you and the path forward. that
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  Speaker 1: you took to get there. So if you don't mind,
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  Speaker 1: can we talk about that a little bit? Um, I
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  Speaker 1: want to first start with how did you get that
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  Speaker 1: call or find out about the casting to be on
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  Speaker 1: the real world?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a modeling agency and I was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: getting into modeling and, and commercial work potentially acting. So
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  Speaker 2: I was with click modeling agency at the time and
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  Speaker 2: it was just another casting that came through the agency. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: For the real world.
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  Speaker 1: And so how did they represent it? What did they
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  Speaker 1: say you were going to have to do? How long
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  Speaker 1: you were going to have to participate? What made you
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  Speaker 1: interested in that, in that casting?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, money opportunity, you know, another job, you know, when you're,
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  Speaker 2: when you're with an agency in New York, there's castings,
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  Speaker 2: they come through every day. Sometimes you have, you know,
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  Speaker 2: six to 10 to 12 castings every day. So it
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  Speaker 2: was just on my casting call list.
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  Speaker 1: And do you remember what it was specifically asking for?
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  Speaker 2: A model interested in getting into acting.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay. And their version of acting, was that being
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  Speaker 1: on television or they were looking for someone who their
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  Speaker 1: career goal was to be an actor?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Career goal, definitely, you know, looking for the model,
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  Speaker 2: interested in acting, that kind of stereotypical look for the show.
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  Speaker 2: That was the character that they were looking for in me.
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  Speaker 1: So that's really interesting to me. So it wasn't an
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  Speaker 1: open casting for seven people that wanted to just live
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  Speaker 1: in a house together or live in an apartment or
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  Speaker 1: loft and see what it was like to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: be filmed. So it didn't really come down the pike
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  Speaker 1: like that, it sounds like.
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  Speaker 2: It was. In my case, for my character, they were
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  Speaker 2: looking for a male model.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they found Julie in a mall in Alabama.
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  Speaker 2: They found Norm... looking for another loft to shoot in
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  Speaker 2: potentially in Brooklyn, which, uh, where they shot the pilot
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  Speaker 2: for the real world was in Norm's loft, you know? Um,
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  Speaker 2: and then everybody, Andre, they were looking for, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: somebody in music, a rock star type. Um, and they
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  Speaker 2: found him in a completely different way. So it really was,
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  Speaker 2: it was an open casting call looking for all different
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  Speaker 2: types of Of people, but also, you know, obviously interesting
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  Speaker 2: people that had some type of, you know, creative ability.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Kevin was a writer. Heather was a rapper.
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  Speaker 2: I was a model. Andre was a musician. Becky was
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  Speaker 2: a musician. Everybody, you know, had some kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: creative or... Um, I don't know. I'm not, modeling is
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  Speaker 2: not very creative, but I guess acting is. Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys all had something in common a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like somebody was doing nails or something or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Um, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. So, so, and what was the process of
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  Speaker 1: your casting? Did you have a bunch of callbacks? Were you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, did they see you and say, Oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's it.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lot of castings. There was the first,
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  Speaker 2: first call was kind of submit your photo, answer some questions.
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  Speaker 2: And then they brought us back. We were brought me
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  Speaker 2: back a second time. Then they put me on camera
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  Speaker 2: and then they brought me back a third time where
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  Speaker 2: the camera was moving around the room to see how
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  Speaker 2: I would react with, with a moving camera asking tougher questions.
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  Speaker 2: And then the next casting was in a room with
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of producers and And it kind of went
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  Speaker 2: on from there. So I think I did maybe three
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  Speaker 2: or four castings before I got the part.
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  Speaker 1: So and as you got further into this, were you like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, I really want this? Or just was this
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  Speaker 1: like an everyday thing where you were going on different
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  Speaker 1: casting calls?
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  Speaker 2: You know, at that time in my life, I really
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  Speaker 2: wasn't interested in being a model or an actor. My
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  Speaker 2: life at that time, 18, 19, 20 years old, I
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  Speaker 2: was I was Very much an athlete in high school.
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  Speaker 2: Thought that I was going to go to college to
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  Speaker 2: play football or soccer or some sport. The only reason
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  Speaker 2: that I got into it was to make money. I
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  Speaker 2: needed a job. I wasn't going to college. I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: interested in college. And so my mom basically said, what
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  Speaker 2: are you going to do with the rest of your life?
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  Speaker 2: Why don't you try modeling and acting? I mean, my
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  Speaker 2: first reaction was no way I'm not doing that. I
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  Speaker 2: had zero interest. And then a good friend of our
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  Speaker 2: families became one of the top male models in the world.
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  Speaker 2: And he had all the connections. And he came up
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  Speaker 2: to me one day and said, look, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you lose some weight and you get shredded, you know,
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  Speaker 2: get your body in shape and I can bring you in.
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  Speaker 2: And and I think that they would be interested in you.
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  Speaker 2: And that's really how it all happened. Wow. I got
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  Speaker 2: went into the agency. They took a photo. They sent
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  Speaker 2: my photos to Bruce Weber. And the next thing you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was. on my way to a studio to shoot
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  Speaker 2: with Bruce Weber and the rest is history. Right, right, right. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So, but when you started the show, you weren't somebody
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  Speaker 1: that people would recognize, right? I mean, you were kind
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  Speaker 1: of just as much of a known name as everyone else.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: So this show really blew you up. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: became one. I mean, what would you categorize it as?
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  Speaker 1: Would you say you became a huge star then? I mean, what,
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  Speaker 1: what was it like for you?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the real world, you know, first time something like
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  Speaker 2: that was ever had been done. So a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people were talking about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we weren't short of getting press. It was
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  Speaker 2: obviously very easy for us to get the press.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But what it was, it was after the real world,
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  Speaker 2: a few months later when I became the host of
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  Speaker 2: the grind, the dance show on MTV, which would send
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  Speaker 2: me into the stratosphere of fame overnight. And yeah, That, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the grind was viewed in over 90 million homes around
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  Speaker 2: the world at a time where there was no internet.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So wait, time out.
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  Speaker 2: That was pretty big.
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  Speaker 1: Were you a dancer? Because I saw those workout videos
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  Speaker 1: you did. And I would think that's what catapulted you
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  Speaker 1: to the next level.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's a funny story. I mean, not a
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  Speaker 2: technical dancer. I love deep house music. I've been a
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  Speaker 2: deep house head my whole life. I learned how to
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  Speaker 2: dance watching Club MTV. I love downtown Julie Brown and
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  Speaker 2: would have loved to been on that show. But I
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  Speaker 2: became the host of The Grind. And... What's interesting about
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  Speaker 2: that is I actually got the part of host of
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  Speaker 2: Club MTV before the real world happened. That was another
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  Speaker 2: casting that happened with MTV. So MTV had their eye
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  Speaker 2: on me.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And downtown Julie Brown.
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  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 3: for it?
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  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
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  Speaker 4: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 5: It's Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 2: Where?
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  Speaker 3: Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 5: There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 2: Lift?
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  Speaker 3: Please. You going past Kimmage?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Kimmage. No.
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  Speaker 5: Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
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  Speaker 2: Someone was on her way out after five years and
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  Speaker 2: they wanted to bring in a male and a female
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  Speaker 2: host for Club MTV. I got the part. We were
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  Speaker 2: looking for a female as a co-host. Then they canceled
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  Speaker 2: Club MTV. And then the casting for Real World came in,
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  Speaker 2: got the Real World. And then three months after the
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  Speaker 2: Real World came out, the dance show came back in.
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  Speaker 2: And then I became the host of The Grind. Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 1: So I know you said that doing the Real World
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  Speaker 1: really saved your life. Can you talk a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the real world, it was the first time that
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  Speaker 2: I ever got a chance to really look at myself
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  Speaker 2: and to observe the way that I behaved, observe the
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  Speaker 2: way that I reacted in conversation around different issues and topics.
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  Speaker 2: I got to see myself in very insecure, fearful positions,
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  Speaker 2: places of judgment and criticism. And that was a real
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  Speaker 2: eye-opener for me. Watching yourself on TV for the first
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  Speaker 2: time and somebody else is editing the footage is a
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  Speaker 2: real eye-opener. So that was pretty much the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: my spiritual journey, understanding much later that spirituality is basically
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  Speaker 2: just looking at yourself, taking a really deep, hard look
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  Speaker 2: at yourself. So that was the beginning of my spiritual
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  Speaker 2: journey for sure. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to get into that, but before we
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  Speaker 1: go that way, so you're talking about the way that
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  Speaker 1: they edit you and there's all this conversation now about
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  Speaker 1: the reality reckoning. I don't know if you've been following that.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm curious back then, how did you feel
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  Speaker 1: that they represented you different or the same of how
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  Speaker 1: you were? I mean, what was that like being on
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  Speaker 1: the show and then seeing it later and seeing how
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  Speaker 1: it played out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. 100% accurate. They didn't manipulate, um, my footage, my
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  Speaker 2: story at all. I don't think they manipulated any of
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  Speaker 2: us on the first show. I think that our show
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  Speaker 2: was probably the first and the last truly 100% authentic
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  Speaker 2: reality TV show that was ever produced. Um, The only
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  Speaker 2: thing that they were doing on a show, which we've
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  Speaker 2: openly talked about a thousand times, was they were manipulating
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  Speaker 2: the things that we were being invited to do by
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  Speaker 2: the production. Because they were trying to get a response.
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  Speaker 2: They were trying to get an action. They were trying
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  Speaker 2: to get a trigger. Trying to, you know, make the...
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  Speaker 2: the performance a little bit more juicy because we all
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  Speaker 2: had the, the option to go home, to go back
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  Speaker 2: to our apartments. And after about three or four weeks,
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  Speaker 2: we really weren't so interested in each other anymore. And
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  Speaker 2: we started to go home and then they kind of
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  Speaker 2: forced us to come back and stay in the loft.
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  Speaker 2: And then that's when things really started to get interesting.
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  Speaker 2: And we started to actually like each other. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: And find some, you know, some common ground, but also
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  Speaker 2: the truth of our differences would come alive. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so do you think that they were like
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  Speaker 1: provoking arguments though or provoking behaviors? Like, you know, a
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: lot of the comments are now of how reality TV
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: people are being provoked into Saying things, doing things, drinking,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: acting ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, they didn't do any of that. They
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: just created situations. Instead of you and I just having
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: a regular conversation and saying, hey, let's go for a
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: walk in the park today. Um, the production created a scenario, right?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Like for me, they created a photo shoot, right? So they,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: they got a production company, they got a model, they
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: set it up. I thought that I was going to
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a regular job that I booked through my agency, but
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: it wasn't.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I see.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Um, so things like that.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Right, right. So do you, do you feel like it
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: was the one and only sort of true, like what
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you said, true, um, reality show because people were coming in,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: they didn't know what to expect. And after that, it's
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: kind of like everyone knew what to expect. And then
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: they almost came in with an idea of a character
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: or a lot of people. Now you see, they want
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: to get on reality shows because they want to become famous, right?
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: They have a goal for later. And I feel like
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: for your group, nobody knew how this would go, right?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: They didn't know what to expect. They didn't know how
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: it'd be received. So I think a lot of people,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm just, you know, talking off the cuff, but
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I assume that they were like, you know, this could
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: be fun. This could be interesting. I want to see
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: where it goes, but they weren't thinking, oh, I'm going
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: to get a book deal out of this. And I'm
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: going to, you know, the motivation seemed to be different
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: back then than it is now. I don't know of
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: anyone going on a reality show now that doesn't have
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a motivation beyond fame and money.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. I mean, it's constantly changing. It's 30 years now.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: When you're in the world of production and direction and creation, writing,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: and all these things, budget, money, sponsors, everything plays a
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: role in the creation of something like this. There's so
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: many things to look at. Right. And so. Yeah, it's interesting,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: you know, years later, you know, like when I did it,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: there weren't those opportunities for endorsement deals. They just they
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: didn't they didn't exist. Yeah. And then that would come in,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of years later where then the advertisers
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: would come on and say, oh, I'm not going to
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: just buy advertising deals. you know, space on the show,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I'm going to spend my money on a character because
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: that individual's character is now becoming popular with a lot
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: of people. It's, I mean, it's completely transformed. Yeah. So
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: many different things in media over the last 30 years,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the way that it was when we were involved in
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the beginning. Right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: And obviously social media wasn't around back then like it
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: is now. I mean, and listen, my name has been
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: thrown around a couple of times to be on the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Housewives of New York. And when that was on page
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: six and got picked up everywhere, I cannot tell you
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: how many people DM to me. sent me free stuff
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: like my, you know, it was crazy. And that was
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: just a rumor. So, you know, I can't imagine what
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: happens when people really get on these shows and the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: stuff that they are offered or sent, um, because they
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: want people to do barter deals about, you know, their products. Um, so,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you know, you didn't have all that back then. It
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: was like, people had to wait to see the episodes
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: to see who you were and then later on give
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: you the deal. So I totally get what you're saying there. Um,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: so what, um, so now tell me more about your
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: spiritual journey. So you see yourself on camera and are
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you saying you didn't like what you see? Like what
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: was it that made you go the other direction?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, this is loaded. So this gets into where
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: we're headed with ayahuasca, but this has to do with
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: my entire life, my existence, not just this life, but
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: my past lives. And when I was on the grind
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: a couple, of years into the grind, I was I
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: was preyed upon by a predator. And this individual informed
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: me of things that were happening on the planet that
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: were very dark and also brainwashed me into believing that
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I needed to have sex with him. And so that
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: was an incredibly devastating experience for me at that time.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Almost took my life. And that would be one of
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the stepping stones to go deeper into my life path,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: my mission, my spirituality.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with? They have
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: more cars for more dealerships than, like, anywhere else.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: It's Dune-A-D-L.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Dune-A-D-L.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: There's an accent on the E.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Lift?
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Please.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, Kimmage. No.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And many, many, many years later, finding ayahuasca. But it
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: all stems from childhood trauma. It all stems from ancestral
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: lineage trauma. That's what I do now. I'm an ancestral
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: lineage healer for myself. I'm not saying that I'm a
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: healer for other people or anything like that. This is
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: all about my journey and what I've personally experienced in
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: my life. And then I share my story and I
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: share my experiences and what I've learned over the years. of,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: of how to heal myself. And I share that with
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: other people. So, um, yeah, so this manager came into
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: my life and basically destroyed my career, stole over $ 350, 000
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: for me, which in 1993, um, for being a host
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and a reality star is a lot of money and, and, uh,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: had deals with universal studios and, All the biggest producers
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: and directors and potential movies and all of that came
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: to a screeching halt. And then not too long after
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: that is where I would meet my first teacher, who
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: was an eighth generation grandmaster from the Far East. And
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I would live with him and his family off and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: on for the next six or seven years.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry you had to go through that. Obviously, yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: you know, everyone has their path to get where they are. Right.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So it's, I, you know, I'm so sorry. Um, but
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you found your way out of it
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and still are, and, um, obviously are helping other people.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: So, um, but what, thank you for that. I appreciate that.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: So what was the, how did you get yourself though
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: from you? You said you almost took your life. I mean,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: how did you get from feeling that way to seeing
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: a light and knowing that there was another option and
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: knowing how to find the next step?
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good question. It was a warm summer night in
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: New Jersey, New York City, where I was standing on
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the side of the Hudson River looking at the Viacom building,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: which is the company that owns MTV. And I had
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: my grandfather's knife on my wrist, ready to take my life.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: And right before that moment, I carved into the tree
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: set me free in a heart. And in this place
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: of total fear and confusion, I was feeling this, I
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: had this overwhelming feeling that I didn't have a way out.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: There was no way out of this, you know? And
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: in that moment, this cloud came came floating down the
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: river and it was lit up by all the lights
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: of New York city. And I, it got my attention.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: And when I looked at it, I heard this little
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: still small voice in my head said, just go home, just,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: just go home. And it was like, I went into
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: a trance in that moment. And I went back to
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: my apartment where the manager was and my friends and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: And I just started packing up all my stuff. And
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I went home, which was about an hour away in
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: central Jersey. And when I got home, I cried for
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: about two weeks. My family, nobody could touch me. Nobody
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: could come near me. And that was the very first
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: time that I found Reiki. My mom... knew this woman
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: who did this, and I never even really heard about it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: And so I went to go see her. And between
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the cloud in the sky and the little small voice
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: in my head and the breaky session with this woman,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: she said that Mother Mary was in the room. She
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: gave me her personal crystal. I held it to my heart.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: And she said, Mother Mary's always with you. and um
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: i decided to go to uh the mountains in colorado
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: and i went by myself and i went snowboard for
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: a month like i had to i had to escape
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: i had to get out and get away and and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: do something um And when I was out there, my
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: sister calls me, and she says, you got a check
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: from MTV for the sales of your workout videos. Do
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: you want me to open it? And I said, sure.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And she opened it up, and the check was for $ 110, 000.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: And MTV made a mistake. and they added an extra
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: zero to my $ 10, 000 check. And because they mailed it
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: and it went through the mail and to my house,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: they couldn't take it back. So they made a hundred
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: thousand dollar mistake. Um, and the $ 350, 000 that was stolen
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: from me and everything, like it kind of, you know,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: it gave me a cushion and, um, And I decided
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: in that moment that if I was going to go
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: back into the business, I could only do it with
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: my friends and my family, people that I knew and
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: people that I trusted. And then I met my grandmaster
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: not long after that. And then it's just been this incredible,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: magical journey of angels and demons and dragons and shamans
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: and grandmothers and grandfathers and plant medicines and trips to
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Tibet and to the jungles of the Amazon. And it's
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: just been this magical hero's journey just to places that
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I never in my wildest dreams could have imagined. Wow.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: So, all right. So now let's get into that then.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: So a lot of people have a, you know, a
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: thought that ayahuasca is basically like doing drugs, right? They
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: lump it in with abuse of ketamine abuse or, you know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: mushrooms or all these different things, which now, you know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: people are using these to treat post-traumatic stress disorder and,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you know, dealing with mental health things. And so how
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: did you get into doing ayahuasca? Did you start with
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: something else or did you just jump right into that?
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, 17 years ago, somebody gave me a book
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: called The Medicine Way. told me about this book called
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: The Medicine Way. And the book facilitates you through the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Native American medicine wheel written by an anthropologist named Kenneth Meadows.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: And I went into the desert to do a very
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: long water fast, 40 days, because I was thinking about
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Buddha and Jesus. And I thought that You know, that
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: story of them just drinking water in the desert for
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: 40 days, it must have had a pretty big impact
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: on them because their names have lasted throughout the ages
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: for thousands of years. And they have millions and millions
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and millions of people that follow them, you know. And
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: so I went into the desert. I started drinking water.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: And 16 days later, my body started breaking down completely.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and was screaming for nutrients.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: And so I, I just need to get a mental
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: picture of this. Were you by yourself in the desert
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: with water?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I was with one other person that was, that was
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: watching over me as I was going through this process.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: And it was, was it like a typical fast where
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: you try and sit still and be quiet or what,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, what were you doing all day?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I know, you know, at that time I didn't understand
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: fasting at all, especially water fasting. So because of the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: athlete that I am and the competitor that I am
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: and I'm go, go, go a hundred miles an hour,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm, I'm the guy who at the end
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: of the night, when everybody's partying and they're like going
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: to sleep, I'm looking for the next party. That's the
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: fire that burns inside of me. So, you know, every
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: day I'm, I'm walking an extra lap on, you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: where I was and I'm doing salt flushes and, you know,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: all these different things. And, um, it's amazing. I lasted
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: 16 days. I was waking up in the middle of
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: the night to go to the bathroom and passing out,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: fainting and hitting my head against the wall, like knocking
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: myself out. Um, but then I would learn obviously later
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: on the proper ways to, to fast, you know, everything
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: in my life has been, you know, trial by error. Yeah. So, um, yeah,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: so 16 days, uh, a friend of mine who owned
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: a superfood company, uh, that I've been with for 17 years,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: he came up to the property with a big box
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: of superfoods. And we put together this anabolic fast formula
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: of the most nutrient dense foods on the planet. So
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I finished the 40 days with just about 500 calories
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: in superfood shakes. And then when I finished the 43 days,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: the 40 days, that's when I went into the Native
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: American medicine wheel. It's like a vision quest. And it
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: was in the vision quest where I realized that this
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: is what I was going to be doing for the
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: rest of my life. I was going to be bringing
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: people into the desert and taking them through what I
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: experienced to help them rehabilitate themselves from drugs and trauma
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and in their lives. And that's what I've been doing
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: for the last 17 years.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: So it had that effect on you 40 days in 43,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: whatever it was, you had an awakening, so to speak.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: It was one of my aha, light bulb, awakening moments.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: And when I came out of that, I went on
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: this search for many years to understand, number one, how
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: to rehabilitate the body, from addiction. But ultimately what that
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: would turn into is understanding how to liberate your soul
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: and your physical body from suffering.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: And that's when I would meet Mona Palaka, who is
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: one of the 13 indigenous grandmothers. She's a part of
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: a council of 13 indigenous grandmothers that come from all
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: four directions on the planet. to bring awareness, healing, knowledge
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to the world, especially about water and many, many other things.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And people started inviting me to go to ayahuasca ceremonies.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: And that went on for about four years. And then finally,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I got the call from Grandma Ayahuasca. It was time
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: to meet her. I called up Grandma Mona. I told
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: her what was happening. She introduced me with this woman
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: who connected me with two of the other indigenous grandmothers
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: that lived in the jungle of Brazil and found my
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: way into the jungles of Brazil to do ayahuasca for
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: the very first time. Wow. Okay.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: So what was that like?
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it's long... The.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Car is beautiful. Where did you end up going for it?
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: more cars for more dealerships than, like, anywhere else.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: It's Dunaidial.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Dunaidial.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: There's an accent on the E.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dundiel Cars.
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: Lift?
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, Kimmage.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: No.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: Done deal cars.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Story short, but the woman who I was going with,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: we were flying there together on Martin Luther King's birthday.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: We were the last people to get on the plane
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: on the 7 a.m. flight. Her visa was expired. We
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: went back into New York City on Martin Luther King's birthday.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: She could not obviously get her visa in time. That
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: little voice came back in and said, you got to go.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: So I said to her, look, I need you to
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: write down what I need to do to get there.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: And she said, oh, no. Oh, no, no. You don't
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: speak the language. It takes two days to get there.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Three planes, two taxis, a canoe, six hours down a river.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: No way. And I said to her, I go, I
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: know we just met. You don't know me very well.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: but I'll be fine. I take full responsibility for my life.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I have to go. Wow. So I went, I got
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: on the seven o'clock flight that night and I made
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: it into the middle of the jungle two days later.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: And I showed up at the grandmother's house who didn't
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: know that I was coming there. I'd only met her
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: once a couple, a few years before that in a
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: circle of 350 people And I got to her front door.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I told her the story about what happened and how
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I got there. And I looked at her and I said,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: do you remember my face? You met me with grandma Mona.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: And she looked at me and she went, Oh, I
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: remember you. I remember you. You're in luck. You can
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: stay here with me. And so I stayed in her
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: house for two months. And then she said to me,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: you came on a very auspicious day today. is the
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: celebration of Padrino Sebastian the founder of the Santo Daime
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: church and tonight we drink for him so get ready
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: the ceremony starts in two hours so I go into
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: this temple that was the shape of the star of
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: David with 650 people They had a service window, like
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: you were going up to McDonald's to get a Big
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Mac to drive through. And she connected me with this guy,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: and she said, just follow him. He'll take care of you.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: He knows what to do. Twelve-hour ceremony, traveling for two days.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I drank 16 cups of ayahuasca, and nothing happened. What?
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Wow. nothing. Just, I had a little bit of an
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: upset stomach and I went back to my room that
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: night and I said, wow, I came all the way
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: here to drink this magical tea. That's going to change
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: my life and show me everything that I need to see.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: And nothing happened.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: So why do you think that happens to some people?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Cause I have heard that from people. Do you think
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: that's like a psychosomatic thing? Do you think it's just
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: your body wasn't reacting to that potion or what happened there?
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: She's in control. You're not, it's not about drinking a tea.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: It's about connecting with the spirit of ayahuasca, the conscious,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: limitless potential being that is a feminine spirit. That's why
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: we call her grandma and she's in control. That's why
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: we go to her because she loves us. She wants
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: us to heal. She wants us to evolve because she
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: wants us to be good stewards of the planet. She
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: wants us to be happy, to be a good father,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: a good mother. a good brother, a good sister, you know,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: and she's just interested in harmony. She's interested in harmonizing air, fire, water,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: and earth. And that's what we are. She is the
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: combination of a root, of a vine, and a plant.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And when you boil these two together for a certain
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: amount of time, It creates dimethyltryptamine, DMT, which people refer
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: to as the god particle, the god molecule. And that
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: DMT exists in everything on this planet and in all
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: of us. And when you're born and you go through
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the birth canal of your mother, your brain is covered
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: in DMT. And the same thing happens... When your spirit,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: your soul leaves this body when you die. That's why
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: when people say, oh, I had a near-death experience and
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I went to the light, there was a tunnel of light.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: That's the DMT covering the brain. The DMT is a
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: bridge to the spirit world or the morphogenetic field of light.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: of the grid, the sacred geometrical grid of light that
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: we don't see with these eyes. And when you take
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: some type of a substance, a plant medicine, a healing medicine,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: not a drug, a medicine, which means power, it gives
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: us access to the parts of us that we, are
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: unconscious to. Wow.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: So for people that really want to follow along, but
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: are not as far along as you and really understanding this,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I want to dumb it down a little bit. So
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: tell me what it was like the first time it
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: affected you. What did you see? How did you feel?
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: What can people expect? Why should they do it? Like,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: that's why I want to get into it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Sure. So the second time that I did it, I
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: drank the medicine. Mm-hmm. And again, for like four or
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: five hours, I wasn't really feeling anything. And then it
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: came on and everything around me turned into like sacred geometry.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: It was all shapes and, and colors, um, like geometry,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: you know, like the flower of life, um, And all
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: these different three-dimensional looking geodesic shapes, right? The trees, all
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: the light around me, the bench next to me, the chair,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the table, everything, right? And I could feel it. I
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: could feel this energy in my body. And at the
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: same time, I... connected with my inner child, I became
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: my six year old self. And I was in communication
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: with my six year old self. But I was playing
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: with the energy as if I was six years old,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: like right when we were six years old. And we
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: were in our room, in our world of imagination and wonder,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: and there was no fear. There was no judgment. We
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: didn't even have a concept of what that was. We
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: were just in the moment, playing, having fun. And that's
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: where she took me. That was my very first experience,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: was with connecting with my six-year-old self. And that is
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: very important. for where I am today, because of what
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I would go through over the years to help me
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: to understand how the trauma and the experiences that I
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: went through in my life would imprint me and impact
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: me when I would get older. And that's what this
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: whole journey has been For me, with ayahuasca is going back,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: reconnecting with my six-year-old self and helping me to release
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: all the energies that I've been carrying around in my
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: body from those traumatic emotional experiences that I've had in
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: my life. And it would bring me to a place
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: of liberation in my physical body of pain. discomfort, and
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: all those types of things.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's so amazing because there are obviously so
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: many people that are going through grief, shame, whatever these
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: kind of universal feelings are, right? And as you said,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: are imprinted on you from your experiences through life. And
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: people don't even realize it sometimes. And then there are
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: people that do realize it and they go to, let's say,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: talk therapy. And a lot of people you'll see are
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: prescribed drugs to help them feel better or they're deep
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: in some sort of addiction to help them feel better.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: But what none of that is addressing is why they
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: feel that way. And I think so many people are
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: stuck and don't know why, even though they spend all
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: this time talking about it and thinking about it and
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: trying to purge it just from their immediate thoughts. It
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: seems to me that ayahuasca or some of these other
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: medicines are able to unlock something in you that you
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: have been shutting a door on or putting a wall
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: up so you can't even see it. You can't even
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: release that in yourself. You need some help. I mean,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: am I getting it right?
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: The awareness that you have about what you just said
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: is so important and so profound on so many levels.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: And the impact of that awareness globally is, is what
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: the world needs. And this is exactly what's happening. People
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: are walking through their lives and they have no idea
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: why they feel the way they feel. They have no
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: idea why they react the way that they react when
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: somebody else says something that they don't like. And it's
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: not that they don't like it. It's that the frequency
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and the vibration that's being projected at them by that
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: other person is triggering the energy and the frequency in
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: their body. That is what's causing them to feel uncomfortable
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: because they're holding on to that energy in their body
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: from a trauma that they experienced at some time in
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: their life.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: This is exactly what's happening with 8 billion people on
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: the planet. This physical body that we're in, and I'll
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: break it down for your listeners, and you want me
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: to explain it like you're in fifth grade. It doesn't
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: get any more simpler than this. If you really, truly
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: want to understand yourself and understand why you feel the
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: way that.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful where did you end up going
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: for it.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that dad has connections with they've more
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch what's it called it's.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: Dune ideal where dune ideal there's an accent on the
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: e do you mean yes i got an undone deal
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: cars lift Please.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: You're going past Kimmage.
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: Oh, Kimmage.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: No.
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: Done deal cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: To feel, consider observing nature. Why? You and me and
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: everybody who's listening, there's one thing that will never change.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: This is the laws of nature on this planet, on
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: planet Earth. And the laws of nature are that air, fire, water,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: and earth, the four elements, there are laws that we
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: are governed by when it comes to the interaction of air, fire, water,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: and earth. Minerals. Those four elements are always going to
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: interact the same. It'll never, ever, ever change. When the sun...
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: shines its light on the water, there's going to be
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: a reaction, right? When the wind blows across the water,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: there's going to be a reaction. It's never, ever going
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: to change, right? So these interactions are happening inside of
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: us all the time. Well, what makes you and me different?
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Of course, If you identify as a woman and I
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: identify as a man, I'm just going to be gender respectful.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, appropriate, yeah.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Appropriate here. So the only thing that's different about me
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: and you is your experience. Yeah. And if we were
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: to get to know each other deeply... we would find
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: that our experiences are quite similar. Yeah. Right?
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: What Buddha realized, right? So what Buddha realized and what
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Jesus realized and what Quan Yin realized and what all
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: the ascended masters, whose names, humans, whose names have lasted
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: throughout the ages, is they understood the laws of nature
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: and they understood how to liberate themselves from their own sufferings.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: And very simply, the way that they did this was
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: by objectively observing themselves equanimously. This is the mantra for
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: every human being on the planet. Objectively observe yourself equanimously,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: which means calm in the eye of the storm. Calm
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: in the chaos of your own mind. Identify your fears.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Identify your judgments. You'll understand your insecurities. You'll understand your
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: low self-esteem. You'll understand where and how your power was
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: taken away from you at whatever time it happened in
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: your life. Why you don't feel you're enough. Why you
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: don't feel whatever it is that you don't feel enough
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: and complete in your power and in harmony and in
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: balance with nature. And it's all based off our traumatic
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: emotional experiences. The greatest psychologists of our time right now
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: are all pointing to this. And this all just started
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: in the last probably 10, 12, 15 years. Gabor Mate
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: is probably the leader in this where he talks about
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: childhood trauma and the root cause of suffering. And so
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: this is what ayahuasca has showed me and also Vipassana.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Because very simply, what Grandma Ayahuasca does is she becomes
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: a reflection of you. She shows you what you're feeling.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: She shows you what your fears are. She shows you
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: what your judgments are. She shows you what grief you're
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: holding on to, what shame you're holding on to, what
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: guilt you're holding on to. And she shows you where
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: it is in your body. And she shows you what
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: the experiences are that happened to you in your life
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: that caused it. That's why we drink ayahuasca. And that's why,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: you know, 40 years ago, she started to tell the shamans,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: it's time for the people to drink the medicines. Because
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: up until about 40 years ago, only the shamans drank
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: the medicine. You would go to the shaman with your issue.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: He would drink it. He'd have a vision of what's
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: happening inside of you and then prescribe you some of
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: their type of plants to help you with whatever the
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: issue is.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Right, right. So, I mean, what you're saying is so
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: powerful and I feel like I'm so ready to do that.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I've been ready for a long time, but what about
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: for people that are scared of, you know, they, they've
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: never done psychedelics. I've never done that. I'm scared of it.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I'm scared of throwing up. I had a childhood trauma
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: that happened to me. I ate poison berries. My mother
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: gave me Ipecac and it is my throwing up is
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: my biggest fear. I haven't thrown up since I was
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: four years old. I'm going to knock on wood because
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I'm paralyzed by that fear. from something that happened very
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: traumatic to me. So I've been scared to do ayahuasca,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: but I know for me, someone who's suffered from a
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: lot of loss and shame and tragedy, that I am
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: someone who wants to do something like that to help
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: me move forward. Cause I feel stuck. And I think
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: that's a universal feeling of so many people feel stuck
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: for whatever it is. I don't even think people need
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: to be aware or have gone through some major tragedy
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: with the tea. You know what I mean? Like it
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: can just be, Good for anyone, right? I mean, do
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: you have to feel like you need to fix yourself
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: to go there, to go through this?
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Well, let me just acknowledge you and you, you know,
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: feeling stuck and this fear that you have, right, about
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: throwing up and, you know, wanting to understand yourself. You know,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: why do I feel stuck? Why do I have this fear?
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: What's there? Something is there. I'm feeling it. I feel
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: it in my body, but I'm scared. It's bringing up fear.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: It's bringing up the energies that are in your body
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: that are coming from an experience that you had. And
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: you know it, that you have to face your fear,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: break through, find out what it is, Re-experience it and
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: love it and let it go unconditionally.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: You know this.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do know this.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: It's in your heart. It's radiating through you. your body.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: And so as soon as you go and do that,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: grandma knows she set this conversation up. We're here talking
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: about her. She's orchestrated everything in my life. She knew
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: that you and I needed to come together at this moment,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: at this time, have this conversation for you to bring
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: that up because I'm sure you're on your way to
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: sitting with her and having a relationship with her. You're
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: feeling the calling. Yeah.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: So, That's first. Acknowledge you, the little girl inside. She
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: deserves it. She is beautiful. She's important. She is everything.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: And she is trying to get your attention.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Right? And we love her. We honor her in this way.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: what I've experienced with my journey and over 350 ceremonies.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: And so immediately some would be like, wow, like why
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: so many, you know, I heard that this, you know,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: you drink at one time and your life transforms and
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: that is not true. You know, the indigenous people that
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I sit with, that I have been sitting with for
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: over seven years, they drink ayahuasca 300 days a year.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: It's their green drink in the morning.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Their green juice, yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: You know, and what we have to understand is that
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: we are constantly taking on all kinds of energies that
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: that are causing the air, the fire, the water, and
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: the earth inside of us that what we are to
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: come out of balance. Whatever it is, what's coming through
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: our eyes, what's coming through our ears, what's through our nose,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: what we're eating, what we're feeling, the way people are
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: talking to us, what's my relationship, what kind of food
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: am I eating, how many toxins are in it, what
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: are the chemicals in the water? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: It could go on and on and on and on
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: and on. So ayahuasca helps us to clean off those energies.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: And it and it that doesn't mean that okay i
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: drink ayahuasca 10 15 20 times then it all depends
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: on your relationship with her and why you have this
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: relationship with her what type of relationship do you want
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: with her just like What type of relationship do you
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: want with your girlfriend or your boyfriend, your husband, your wife,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: your coworker, your dog, your cat? It's about a relationship
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: that we have with this spirit. And in the indigenous world,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: the spirit world is more real than this 3D matrix
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: manipulation control system grid that we're living in. of massive
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: separation and division. Because in the spirit world, there is
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: no separation and there is no division. You know, for
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: somebody who wants to come to the medicine and they
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: are fearful, more of a reason why they should go
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: to the medicine. Because you have a fear. And that
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: fear is holding you back in some way, shape or form.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: And if somebody says, oh, I'm not going to go
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: do ayahuasca, that's a drug. You're not informed.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you've said all this. That's really important for me.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Right. You're not informed. Yeah, you don't. You're speaking from
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: a very irresponsible and dangerous place and from a place
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: of judgment. Of place of fear and you're passing judgment
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: on something you know nothing about. No experience just because
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: of what you heard or what you read, because I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: don't care how many books you read about something. Unless
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: you have gone out and have had an experience with it,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: you've had an emotional experience with it where air, fire, water,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: and earth has interacted with that thing, whatever it is,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: you won't truly know it and understand it. That's where
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: true wisdom comes from. Right. Is from an experience with
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: something where you can taste it, you can smell it,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: you can hear it, you can feel it, you can
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: touch it. You cry with it, you know? you scream
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: with it, whatever it is, you sleep with it, all
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: those things.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: And how would you suggest somebody finds, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: real person to do this with? I mean, I know
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  Speaker 1: I've had friends that have hired shamans to come to
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  Speaker 1: their Hamptons house. You know, is that somebody just as
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  Speaker 1: legitimate as going to Costa Rica?
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  Speaker 2: You have to be very, very careful. I can't stress
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  Speaker 2: it enough because In the world of ayahuasca, in the
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  Speaker 2: world of plant medicine, in the world of shamanism, just
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  Speaker 2: like in our 3D world, just like you go into
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  Speaker 2: work or in your relationship, you have light and you
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  Speaker 2: have dark. You have some people who are coming from
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  Speaker 2: a place of love and you have some people that
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: are coming from a place of fear, you know, and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: they wish harm on people. That is happening. We live
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  Speaker 2: on a planet of duality. There's light and there's dark.
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  Speaker 2: So you really need to know who is serving the medicine,
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  Speaker 2: who's facilitating the medicine, who is guiding you, who is
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  Speaker 2: protecting you in that space for you to travel, not
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  Speaker 2: just into the spirit world, but into your childhood, into
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  Speaker 2: your subconscious mind, into the Akashic records of your soul.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's what these medicines do. They open up a bridge,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: a portal into light and information. And so you have
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  Speaker 2: to be very, very discerning, very careful about who the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: shaman is. Right. And who did they train under? What
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  Speaker 2: is their knowledge? What is their experience? What lineage do
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: they come from? It's interesting because there's a number of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: people who I've been speaking to lately. And you're going
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: to see this happen because once we start having the conversation,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: it goes out into the field. And then everybody else
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: up on the energy. You're going to start to see
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: websites pop up of shamans who have been vetted. you
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  Speaker 2: know that they're safe to go to. This is all
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: on its way. There's websites that are coming up now
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  Speaker 2: where there's integration websites, where there's integration specialists that are
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: there to assist people after coming out of a plant
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  Speaker 2: medicine ceremony. Because you go into a plant medicine ceremony,
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden your mind is blown. You're you know,
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  Speaker 2: seeing angels and unicorns and spirit animals and all these
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: different things. And you're remembering things that happened to you
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  Speaker 2: in your childhood that, you know, maybe you had amnesia
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: that happened to me. And it's, it's, it's challenging and
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  Speaker 2: it's scary. You know, I'm not gonna, this isn't just about,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: you know, butterflies and unicorns. There's, there's a very dark
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: side of this, but we have that. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And that's what I was going to ask you about.
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  Speaker 1: What about for people that are scared of what they
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: might find, scared about what it might trigger in them,
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  Speaker 1: or they're scared that they're not going to come out
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  Speaker 1: the same person they were going into it as, even
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  Speaker 1: though they might not like that person, but it just
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: feels safe, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that goes back to what I'm saying. So you,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: you know, you would contact somebody like me because preparation,
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  Speaker 2: preparation and integration are actually more important than then the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: journey itself, because you have to prepare your body to
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: receive the medicine, detox and cleanse your body. There's certain,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: you have to get off of drugs. You have to
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: wean yourself off of certain medications. You want to avoid
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: certain types of foods, salt, garlic, onions, no alcohol, no
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: red meat. You want to really clean your body out,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: purify your body before you receive the medicine. And then
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: the aftercare is just as important because you need somebody
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: to help guide you to integrate the energies that have
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: left and the energies that have come in. So there's
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: this whole like recalibration of your energy field.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: And what about for people who are interested in knowing,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: can you do something like this because they're looking for
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: somebody who's passed? Like, are they going to be in
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: touch with someone who's gone? Or is this all about
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: a journey within yourself?
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Well, it's both and your ancestors are inside of you.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: So that's comes to ancestral lineage healing. And that's what
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: I've been doing over the last 12 years is I've
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: been going back way, way, way back into my lineage
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: and my many, many, many lifetimes clearing the trauma, clearing
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: the trauma, clearing the trauma, um, So it doesn't get
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: passed down in future generations.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. And where is this legal?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: There are some countries that it's legal in. Peru, it's
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: legal in. Mexico, I think, yeah, Mexico, it's legal to
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: do it there. Ecuador, Brazil. In Brazil, they actually serve
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: ayahuasca to inmates in jail. Oh, wow.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Lucky them. Seems like... It makes it easier for them. Um,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: it's probably pretty enlightening for them.
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  Speaker 5: Um, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So now I know that from this, you have also
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: created a health and wellness, um, line, right? Or is
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: it an oil? Tell me about that a little bit.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, this is, um, song.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: This is a Cambodian word for lovers or friendship. Um,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: my girlfriend is, um, Cambodian and Thai and Chinese. And this,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: she's an aromatherapist. She went to school for aromatherapy. And
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: together over the last 10 years, we looked at all
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: these different flowers and plants and trees and looked at
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: all the potential benefits, you know, of these oils, the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: history of these oils that have gone on back thousands
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: and thousands of years, like frankincense and myrrh and lotus
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: and jasmine. These are oils that kings and queens and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: ascended masters have been connected to. And we wanted to
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: create something that would address your entire body from the
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: outside layer of your skin to as deep as your
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: chakra system and your nervous system. So there's 26 oils
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: that are in here. And on the outside, they will
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: help protect you from the sun, but they will also
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: repair your skin from damage to the sun.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: The other benefits that it has is a mood enhancer.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: It helps to calm and relax the nervous system. There's
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: some flowers in here that are specifically... target certain chakras
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: in the body. It has every anti, anti-inflammatory, anti-stringent, anti-everything
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: in there. Um, if you come to the website, you
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: can see all the different oils, uh, that, that are
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: in the blend. Um, and it's just a, it's a
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: really beautiful, uh, creation that, that my girlfriend Penny made.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: And we just launched it a few, few months ago, actually,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: but we, I use these, We use the oils and
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: what we call flower water in ceremony because the lower frequency,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: lower vibrational entities, like I was saying earlier, there's light
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: and there's dark. And whether you want to call them
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: demons or whatever it is, they don't like the light
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: and the high frequency of the flowers. Right. And so
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: when you put them on your body, they actually help
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: to protect you in ceremony. And they also help to
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: clear off energies that are disrupting the natural harmony of air, fire, water,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: and earth in your body. Wow.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: Okay. I need some of this, obviously. I can't wait
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: to order it.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: So if people want to reach you, to talk to
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: you more about this, to ask you more questions, to
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: get in touch with you, to actually, you know, try
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: ayahuasca and have you lead them or guide them on
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: a journey, where could they find you?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Well, they could send me an email through my website,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: which is I-A-M, the letter I-A-M, I-M, Eric Nies, B-R-I-C-N-I-E-S.com. Iamericnies.com
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: is my website. And you can send me an email
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: through there.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, awesome.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: And then where can they buy this amazing oil?
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: They can go to SongsaHawaii.com. S-O-N-G-S-A-A-Hawaii.com. SongsaHawaii.com. Okay.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I will be doing that after this show. I'm
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: so excited to meet you. I'm excited that I also
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: have your number so I can talk to you offline
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: about how to come see you maybe, because I feel
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: like this was really enlightening for me and really opened
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: up some ideas for me. So it was such a
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: pleasure to meet you. I'm so excited for people to
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: hear your journey and what you're doing now and be
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: enlightened and informed about ayahuasca because I think it's so important.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: And I think there are so many people that have
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: questions about it. And I think you answered.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: All of them. When you're ready, I'm going to make
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: an offering. When you're ready, come see me in Hawaii.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: We'll do a before interview. And we'll do an after
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: interview and we can share your experience with all of
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: these beautiful humans that are following you and listening to
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: you and tuning in to you week after week to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: hear what you have to say. So I think it
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: would be really cool. You could share your experience. Here
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: we are grandma's calling and I'm ready to answer the call.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: If you are.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: I love that. I am going to, I'm going to,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: make myself say it right now so I hold myself
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: to it, that I'm going to accept that offer from you.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: So one day we will do this. You know, I
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: will make that commitment. So thank you for helping me
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: get through my fear. And I'm really excited about that.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Beautiful. You're welcome.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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• 1:13:07
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  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: It's Dunaidial.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: Dunaidial.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: There's an accent on the E.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 7: Lift?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, Kimmage. No.
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  Speaker 5: Dundale Cars.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.