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Skincare Myths That Are Wasting Your Money · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land Always was, always
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  Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. Hey Chicks, I'm out and I'm
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  Speaker 1: Out and this is two Broat Chicks, the show that
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  Speaker 1: shares life lessons and tips to help make you.
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  Speaker 2: Rich in life. And today we are joined by doctor
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  Speaker 2: Michelle Wong, who you may know as lab muf and
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  Speaker 2: Beauty Science on Instagram. Michelle has a PhD in chemistry
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  Speaker 2: and is a science communicator who is on a mission
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  Speaker 2: to help consumers figure out which beauty products are and
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  Speaker 2: are not worth spending your money on using science.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: We are so excited for today's chat.
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  Speaker 3: We have prepped a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of juicy questions because this is definitely an area of
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  Speaker 2: interest for all and I, but also for the chicks
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  Speaker 2: as well. So very excited to have you on. But
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  Speaker 2: before we get started, we like to start with a
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  Speaker 2: life lesson of the week, So, as our guests, would
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  Speaker 2: you like to kick us off?
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  Speaker 1: Sure?
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  Speaker 3: I think my life lesson of the week really it's
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  Speaker 3: like a life lesson of the last fifteen years that
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  Speaker 3: I keep forgetting. It's that if I feel like the
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  Speaker 3: world is ending and my life is going to share
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  Speaker 3: I'm probably just tired, hungry, or I haven't had enough,
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  Speaker 3: like I've just been sleep deprived. So yeah, earlier this
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  Speaker 3: week I was like, oh my god, my life is ending,
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  Speaker 3: my body is crumbling, everything is going to share, Like
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  Speaker 3: I should just you know, run off and don't know
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  Speaker 3: the woods to a Vegas wedding with some random person.
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  Speaker 3: But then yeah, no, my husband. My husband was like, babe,
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  Speaker 3: you had two hours sleep last night. Just please go
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  Speaker 3: to sleep, take a shower, you'll feel better. And I did, annoyingly.
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  Speaker 3: I hate it when he's right, I know.
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  Speaker 1: Like a snack.
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  Speaker 2: We're all little babies inside. Seriously to have a nap,
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  Speaker 2: have a sleep, and maybe go for an ocean swim.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, touch grass.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, get in the sun.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Agay. Yeah, what's your life lesson?
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  Speaker 1: My life lesson of the week is don't sleep on
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  Speaker 1: the drug store haircare. So I definitely think we've been
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  Speaker 1: seeing an uprising of the drugstore haircare. We've seen a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people talking about panteine, which I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what your thoughts are on that, because there's been so
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  Speaker 1: much we'll ask you later. There's been so much about
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  Speaker 1: how you know, drugstore haircare has had this idea around
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  Speaker 1: it that it's not as good as a salon haircare
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  Speaker 1: and bing mangbong. But I got this shampoo conditioner from
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  Speaker 1: the Chemist Warehouse event a couple of weeks ago, and
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  Speaker 1: it genuinely feels like I've been to the salon. Like
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  Speaker 1: you know that really clean feeling you have once you've
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  Speaker 1: gone to a salon to have like a wash and
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  Speaker 1: a blow dry and haircut. That is exactly how my
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  Speaker 1: hair feels after I use this product. It's the Laureal
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  Speaker 1: Absolute Repair range, and it is it is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more expensive, but it's available from Chemist Warehouse who
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  Speaker 1: always have sales, and it truly I can feel the
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  Speaker 1: difference after one wash so good. I am obsessed and
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  Speaker 1: my hair like feels lighter and cleaner and shinier. I'm
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with it.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry did you say how much it was?
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  Speaker 1: So it's thirty five ninety nine for the shampoo, which
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  Speaker 1: again I know is a little bit on the expensive side,
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  Speaker 1: and forty dollars for the conditioner, but a little bit
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  Speaker 1: goes a long way.
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  Speaker 3: And I know everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Says that, but it truly does. And I have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of hair.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got thick hair, and like you said, chemist
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  Speaker 2: Warehouse does always do sales, so you can probably get
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  Speaker 2: it for.
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  Speaker 1: A highly recommend So, yeah, what's your life lesson?
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  Speaker 3: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: My life lesson of the week is that the AirPod
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  Speaker 2: pro threes come with an in built language translator.
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  Speaker 3: Have you seen this?
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  Speaker 1: So amazing?
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  Speaker 3: It is actually incredible.
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  Speaker 2: So the new AirPod pro threes have just come out,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, they have an inbuilt language translator. You basically
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  Speaker 2: pressed down on the end of your AirPods and then
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  Speaker 2: you have a translator app on your iPhone and in
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  Speaker 2: real time you can have somebody speaking to you in
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  Speaker 2: a different language, and then in your AirPods it translates
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  Speaker 2: it to you in English, and then in the translator
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  Speaker 2: app on your phone it also shows like what they're saying.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually incredible. I wish we had this when we
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  Speaker 2: were in Europe, Like this would have made ordering things
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  Speaker 2: in restaurants or even asking questions at the airport so
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  Speaker 2: much easier.
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  Speaker 3: It's so cool.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's also going to make potentially learning
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  Speaker 1: a language a lot easier as well, because you'll be
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  Speaker 1: able to get that translation of listening to someone and
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  Speaker 1: then the translation in real time as well, which only
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  Speaker 1: just makes everyone smarter. Yeah, you know, but yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: really cool. We went to like a showcase and they
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  Speaker 1: had a French person there and they were speaking to
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  Speaker 1: us like fluently in French. And it wasn't like like
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  Speaker 1: you know how sometimes when you can get a translation
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  Speaker 1: through girl it's like hello, my name is like it's
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  Speaker 1: very static, and it was like the slang and all that.
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  Speaker 2: It was so yeah, like it picked up on your
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  Speaker 2: nu answers.
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  Speaker 1: Did you do it with Chris yet?
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  Speaker 2: Sounds didn't have my AirPods, but oh yeah, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: want to try because my boyfriend can speak Indonesian. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to test it out with him and get
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  Speaker 2: him to ask me questions and I won't look at
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  Speaker 2: it and then I'll like answer them English.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so so excited. Okay, all right, should we get
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  Speaker 2: into the episode.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Michelle, So what does your role as a science
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  Speaker 1: communicator and chemist involve and how did you get into
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  Speaker 1: this area for the chicks who aren't aware with your
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  Speaker 1: incredible work? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Well how did I get into it? I
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  Speaker 3: guess it's a bit of a weird journey. So when
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  Speaker 3: I was in high school, I have strict immigrant age
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  Speaker 3: and parents, so they were like, no makeup, focus on
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  Speaker 3: your studies, no boyfriend, like leave your hobbies away until
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  Speaker 3: you get to UNI. And I got to Union and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, well, now I have a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of money. I've got like more time for a casual job.
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  Speaker 3: I've got money enough money to spend on makeup and skincare.
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  Speaker 3: What do I buy? And I was also studying signs
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  Speaker 3: at the time, so it's like, I'm studying all this
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  Speaker 3: stuff about how different ingredients and molecules interact with your
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  Speaker 3: body as like medications, and I'm seeing this stuff in skincare.
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  Speaker 3: How does this interact with my body? And so I
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  Speaker 3: started digging deeper into it and so that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: where it started. And also my mom, she's love her,
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  Speaker 3: but one of the things is she falls for every
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  Speaker 3: like viral thing. Back then, it was emails. Ye have
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  Speaker 3: you seen the one which is like you need to
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  Speaker 3: avoid sodium laurel sulfate in your shampoos because it's used
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  Speaker 3: to wash garage floors. Wash. Oh, this is like proper
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  Speaker 3: old school like chain emails from like the late nineties. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: my gosh, she was really into this. She made me
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  Speaker 3: like get rid of my shampoos that had slaes.
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  Speaker 1: That fear factory.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it was BS and it was like
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  Speaker 3: the other shampoos back and back at the time, like
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  Speaker 3: sel fur Free was not good back then, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I can't actually live with this sort of
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  Speaker 3: like greasy scout feeling all the time. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: get this back, and it's like, well, I just wasted
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  Speaker 3: that shampoo. I feel bad about waste as well. Again,
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  Speaker 3: probably immigrant upbringing, like it was just very upsetting, So
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  Speaker 3: a lot of that was also part of it. Like
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  Speaker 3: people would ask me questions and I was into nails
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  Speaker 3: at the time, and I was in a Facebook Now
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  Speaker 3: group and they knew I did science, and so people
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  Speaker 3: started asking me questions. And eventually I was like, I
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  Speaker 3: have a terrible memory, and I'm sure other people are
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  Speaker 3: also asking the same questions. I've done all this work,
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  Speaker 3: I may as well write it up into a blog.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, December twenty eleven, I think was when I
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  Speaker 3: started my website, and then I think three years later
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  Speaker 3: I expanded onto Instagram, and then I think three years later.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like every three years I get bored and
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  Speaker 3: don't yet book TikTok et cetera. Yeah that's so cool.
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  Speaker 1: And so how long were your studies Because you have
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  Speaker 1: a PhD, I pretty much.
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  Speaker 3: Just went straight through, so three years undergrad science. I
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  Speaker 3: actually did a combined science on law degree. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's actually been useful for arguing with people, and.
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  Speaker 2: I also knowing how to raid, like terms and conditions
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  Speaker 2: and things.
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  Speaker 3: Like that and trying not to get sued for saying
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  Speaker 3: things in my opinion. But yeah, three years of that,
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  Speaker 3: did a year of honors. I was intended to go
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  Speaker 3: back to law. The thing with science is you don't
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  Speaker 3: know how long stuff takes because it's all new and research.
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  Speaker 3: So I did a project and my honors you and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I've done like three steps of
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  Speaker 3: this methodology. I just need to do the last step.
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  Speaker 3: This will only take surely six months, and then I'll
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  Speaker 3: do something else in my PG. That last step literally
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  Speaker 3: took me most of my PhD and it still didn't
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  Speaker 3: quite work. It's really annoying that science just likes to
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  Speaker 3: remind you that you are done, so you don't know things, bitch. Yeah, yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Just just just stentient being having exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's so cool though, because you can really see how
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  Speaker 2: your passion in that that started even in your late
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  Speaker 2: tan's early twenties, when you were looking into how you
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  Speaker 2: were spending your own money on different products and looking
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  Speaker 2: into the actual ingredients and how they work, has aladded
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  Speaker 2: into now your career and what you do online. And
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  Speaker 2: because so much of your content is about educating against misinformation,
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  Speaker 2: which is.
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  Speaker 3: Why we love you.
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  Speaker 2: What's the top three skincare myths that you want to
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  Speaker 2: see retired?
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  Speaker 3: I think the biggest one is that beauty products in
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  Speaker 3: general are bad for your health in various ways. And
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  Speaker 3: it's like it's not it's the whole thing where, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you think it's going to kill you, so you throw
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  Speaker 3: it out, and then later on you find out it's
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  Speaker 3: not going to kill you, so you have to bite
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  Speaker 3: again and you've wasted. I mean, it's not good for
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  Speaker 3: your wallet, it's not good for the environment, and it's
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  Speaker 3: not really good for like I guess, like your mental health,
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  Speaker 3: like yeah, just like how much space that occupies. It's
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  Speaker 3: like so useless fear mongering exactly. Yeah, And it's really
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  Speaker 3: good for selling products, like it is a really good
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  Speaker 3: marketing strategy and on TikTok and stuff, because fear, like
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  Speaker 3: if you're really excited about a product that is actually
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  Speaker 3: not as strong a motivator as if you're scared of
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  Speaker 3: a product, Like yeah, like I mean people will wave
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  Speaker 3: a better product and you want to buy it, but
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  Speaker 3: then if someone tells you this will give you cancer,
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  Speaker 3: you're not gonna use it. Like it's it's a hard
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  Speaker 3: line and it's really effective. I guess. The second one
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  Speaker 3: I guess related to that is like sunscreen is bad
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  Speaker 3: for you. We're in Australia. We have so much skin cancer.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone has chunks cut out of their skin. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like sunscreen is not bad for you compared to the sun,
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  Speaker 3: which is a giant star. And I guess the last
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  Speaker 3: one is probably the idea that you can fix everything
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  Speaker 3: with diet and lifestyle. I thin again, it's like not
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  Speaker 3: mentally healthy. There's so many people I know who have
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  Speaker 3: changed their diet raically to help their skin, and it's
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  Speaker 3: just caused like disordered eating, other issues, deficiencies. It's like
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  Speaker 3: not good. It's just you know, if you're eating something.
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  Speaker 1: I saw this I was struggling with really bad, not
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  Speaker 1: really bad because everyone's on a sunny scale, really bad
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  Speaker 1: for me of what I was dealing with that I'd
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  Speaker 1: never had dealt with acne like that, and did the
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  Speaker 1: thing where I was like searching on social media being
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  Speaker 1: like trying to find people where their skin looks like mine,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, and the amount of things
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  Speaker 1: that was like cut out sugar, cut out dairy, cut
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  Speaker 1: out gluten, don't do this, don't do this. And at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, I then went I saw
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  Speaker 1: a dermatologist and they were like, yeah, your skin barriers
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  Speaker 1: compromised and you just need to use a cleanser and
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  Speaker 1: a moisturizer and.
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  Speaker 3: That was it.
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  Speaker 2: And SBF obviously it puts a lot of shame on people,
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  Speaker 2: I think, and that the way that they're living their
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  Speaker 2: life is wrong and that it's their fault that they
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  Speaker 2: may be having different skin issues or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, no, like some some of these skin
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  Speaker 2: issues are just a normal part of life. But you
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  Speaker 2: need a little helping hand from a product that can
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  Speaker 2: help you feel confident and comfortable, like you don't have
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  Speaker 2: to completely overhaul all of your you know, your diet
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  Speaker 2: and your lifestyle.
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  Speaker 3: If you think about it. When you eat something, your
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  Speaker 3: skin is on the very outside of your body, so
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  Speaker 3: it's pretty much the last place anything you eat is
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  Speaker 3: going to end up. And that's actually one of the
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  Speaker 3: reasons skincare works so much better. And I mean it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't always work better. Sometimes there are old medications and
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  Speaker 3: foods for some people that can make a difference. But
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  Speaker 3: at the same time, it's like, for example, vitamin C.
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  Speaker 3: If you take more vitamin C, Like, if you eat
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  Speaker 3: more vitamin C, you pee it out, but if you
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  Speaker 3: put it on your skin, you can actually get a
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  Speaker 3: lot more into those top layers. I mean, the skin
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  Speaker 3: is a good barrier, but some things can go through well,
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  Speaker 3: Like if it's a well formulated product, it can get
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  Speaker 3: through them much more effectively than you know, eating a
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  Speaker 3: lot of oranges and hoping for the best.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think of when people say, like
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  Speaker 1: the way to fix your skin by drinking a shit
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  Speaker 1: ton of water.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, drinking water is never really that bad if
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  Speaker 3: you don't drink like too much. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of the things with diet and lifestyle,
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  Speaker 3: if you change one thing, you generally are on like
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  Speaker 3: a health kick and you're doing a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 3: other stuff and you don't know what it is that's changed.
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  Speaker 3: So a lot of the time with studies on drinking
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  Speaker 3: more water, people's food intake goes down, they eat different things,
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  Speaker 3: they cut things out of their diet. So like, for example,
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  Speaker 3: if you've been drinking a lot of water, maybe you're
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  Speaker 3: less hungry, you're snacking less. Maybe it's the thing that
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  Speaker 3: you've stopped snacking that's changed it, and so it's really
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  Speaker 3: hard to control. Maybe you're less stressed because you're like
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  Speaker 3: forcing yourself to take time to drink water and relax.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows. So yeah, a lot of those studies, it's
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  Speaker 3: really hard to find the links. And I think sometimes
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  Speaker 3: people do see a positive change and it's something else
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  Speaker 3: and they think it's that thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's how you end up with all those
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  Speaker 3: rumors and people massively changing their lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: What about their collagen powders.
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  Speaker 3: That one is are mixed? There is promising evidence on it,
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  Speaker 3: I think, Hey, but yeah, it's it's really annoying because
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  Speaker 3: supplements aren't well regulated, so there's so many supplements. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if you saw, like there's an Echinacia study
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  Speaker 3: where they tested all these supplements and they found like
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  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of them didn't even have echinasia like
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  Speaker 3: it's but they were but they were promoted as yeah
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  Speaker 3: because no one's checking and sometimes even the company doesn't know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because they're being manufactured elsewhere. Yeah, and also like they
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  Speaker 3: just don't know what test to do, maybe like they've
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  Speaker 3: got to buy it from somewhere like chances like manufacturers
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  Speaker 3: not growing their own econasia. So yeah, there's just lots
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  Speaker 3: of quality control issues like that, whereas drugs are a
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  Speaker 3: lot more regulated in that sense. But there's that sort
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  Speaker 3: of danger with collagen supplements. It might not have collagen.
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  Speaker 3: There were some that were found to have heavy metals,
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, it's kind of tricky. So I think there
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  Speaker 3: is evidence for some. Also, collagen is like a really
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  Speaker 3: long protein chain and hydrolyzed collagen, which is what's mostly
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  Speaker 3: in supplements. They chop it up and so if they're
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  Speaker 3: chopping it up into different lengths, they're gonna be absorbing
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  Speaker 3: in different ways. So yeah, it's really hard to say,
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  Speaker 3: Like there's such a huge variety. So I think the
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  Speaker 3: more evidence based things that are good for your skin
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  Speaker 3: sunscreen retionoids like rational tretenol and whatever chemical exfoliants, vitamin C,
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  Speaker 3: that sort of thing. Do all those first, and then
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  Speaker 3: if you still feel like you want something more, then
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  Speaker 3: maybe look into collagen supplements. They are more expensive for
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  Speaker 3: what they are, and yeah, be really careful with quality
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  Speaker 3: and brands.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, very good tip. You kind of just mentioned
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  Speaker 1: a few products just then or ingredients just then. But
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  Speaker 1: I would love to know if someone's on a tight budget,
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  Speaker 1: what three product types should they prioritize to get the
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  Speaker 1: most bang for their back. And I'm assuming one of
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  Speaker 1: them is going to be SPF of course.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, like sunscreen is always good because protecting what
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  Speaker 3: you have is so much more effective than trying to
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: undo it later. Repairing is never quite as good. So yeah, protection,
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: especially if you live in a place with a lot
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: of sun like Australia. Yeah, the sun. I think there
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: was a study which found that in people with white
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: skin it caused up to eighty percent I think it
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: was of premature skin aging, like visible skin aging. So
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: it's such such a big factor. So not just SPF,
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: but also like you know, the whole slip slop slap,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: seeks slide, those things also help a ton so yeah,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: like UPF clothing, rash vest. Then I would say rationaloids
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: like vitamin A, rational Treshannon. There's some prescription ones. I
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: mean they're one of the few prescription skincare products that
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: works for anti aging. That's how effective they are. And
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: then I would say chemical exfoliants because they work for
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: so many things.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Is there any brands or specific products within those categories
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: that you like?
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of sunscreens I like, I think
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not allowed to mention specific brands, okay and give
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: general ones. So Australia has a lot of really budget friendly,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: lightweight sunscreens, like relatively lightweight, but they're also water resistant,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: like we are so good at water resistance. Nowhere else
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: has like four hour water resistance soundscreens. And they're cheap,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: like even the ones from like so cheap, it's so good. Yeah,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: and they feel really nice.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Like we went to Europe wait sounds screen in Europe
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: and I was like, especially with like the euro to
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Australian dollar, I was.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Like, that's a house, so I'm is home. No, No,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Like that's totally it. And it's also a lot lighter
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: in Australia because I think we wear more sunscreens, so
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: we have like we have higher expectations of our sunscreens,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: and then Korean sunscreens they're not as good at staying
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: on your skin, I feel, especially if you're sweating. But
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: they are really lightweight, so if it's like you're just
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: walking to the office it's not that sunny, I think
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: that could be a good option. It is difficult though,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: because you do you are meant to buy them from
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: over and you don't know what they're going through as
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: they're shipping, so riskier, but I think, yeah, in general,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: higher sun you want to have a more reliable product,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: So yeah, for our water resistance, bite yourself from the
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: supermarket monitor. If you're keeping it in a hot car,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: don't do that.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what about retinal and chemicals folliance? Do you have
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: like a number one in that area?
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Rational? I would go for a brand that's been well researched,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: so like Nutrogena is really good rac I don't know
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: if you're meant to call it rock.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I know what brain you're talking about that I can
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: feature it in my head.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Laureal, like all of those brands that do their research, Laroche, Pasee,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: they invest so much in stabilizing it. Chemicalks fallings are
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: probably easier because like it's really easy to make chemicals
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: folient even Yeah, even the glycolic acid from the Ordinary
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: really good. I also really I really like Good Genes
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: by Sunday.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Riley is pricey, but I've tried that one before.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I liked it too, So you've covered one. But beyond
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: not wearing SPF, what's the most common skincare mistake that
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: you see people making in their twenties.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I'd say trying everything at once, because yeah, like you
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: get excited, you buy all your stuff, you get a
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: whole put all on your face. If you break out,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: you don't know which product it is. If it works
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: really well, you don't know which product it is, and
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: so now you're stuck with like a twenty step skincare routine.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: So I think the safest thing is always just add
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: one product in two week gap in between, so you
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: can really see which products are working, and so you
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: get a shorter routine, and if something bad happens, you
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: know exactly which product isn't working.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: That's a good tip.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how many steps.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Is your skincare routine?
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm really lazy, So it's probably like this.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: That's what I want to know, because I think one
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: of the biggest issues I have won't speak for everyone
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: in the universe, is this idea that a skincare routine
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: has to be like twenty steps, and I hate that,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Like it's I'm just like I don't want to do
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: all that. So yeah, I'm like, how many steps is
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: your routine?
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: And what is it In the morning? It's really usually
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: just one like sunscreen. Sometimes it's zero. If I'm not
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: leaving the house, I have like a tiny window, no
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: sun gets in, so pretty safe. But yeah, one or
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: two products in the morning, and then at night clean
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: I clean my face in the shower. I'll remove makeup
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: with a cleansing oile or cleansing balm, like one step,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: just melt it all and then yeah, usually like one
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: or two serums and a moisturizer.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Love that. Ten and ten approved.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: That's so interesting to know because I also wash my
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: face in the shower. But I have also heard a
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: lot of critiques that you shouldn't wash your face in
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the shower. But is that just if you have the
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: temperature too hot, Like that's why you shouldn't.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's literally it even if the temperature is a
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: bit hot, if you just have a longer distance, then
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: it cools down a lot. So if you just step
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: back a little bit when you wash your face in
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: the shower, or you just like catch the water and
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: splash it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay. But we also wanted to talk about
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest skincare stories of the year, slash
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Century slash ever, and it's following the ultraviolet and Naked
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Sundays SBF controversy earlier this year, which has resulted in
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of people having concerns around sunscreen and the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: brands that they can trust, which is exactly kind of
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the opposite of what you would want to be seeing
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: surrounding SBF and how important it is. So what should
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: we be looking out for when shopping for an SBF
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: that works?
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I think the most important thing to take away from
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: that whole investigation, by choice is ninety percent of the
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: sunscreens were over SPF. I think it was twenty four,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: So ninety five percent of the sunscreens nineteen out of
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: twenty were over SPF twenty four. That is very good
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: if you apply enough. So there was a big clinical
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: trial in Queensland where they were using an SPF sixteen sunscreen.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: People were wearing it every day, not just to the beach,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: and they found that it halved the risk of skin
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: cancer in that short amount of time, which was I
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: think five years or four point five years. Also, the
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: people who were using it every day, not just to
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: the beach, they had I think it was a twenty
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: five percent less chance of premature skin aging. They had
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: no visible signs of increase aging during that trial time. Wow,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: which is really really good. It's Queensland like super sick. Yeah,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: it had a little drop in melanoma. It wasn't quite
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: as big because I mean these people were older. Usually
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: melanoma it's like when you're younger and you get lots
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: of intense burns. That's a big factor. So yeah, like
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: that was SPS sixteen. Nineteen out of twenty were over
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: SPF sixteen, And it was more about wearing it every
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: day and also wearing enough, Like if you have half
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: the sunscreen applied, you get about half the SPF. So yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: really applying enough. So the guideline enough. Oh sorry, you
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: were justoun No no, no, that's like a good question
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: because you hear so much. There's so much that.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like twos two fingers a quarter teaspoon, so yeah,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: please tell me so.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: The easiest guide from Cancer Council is one tea spoon
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: for each limb, one teaspoon for the front of your body,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: one for the back of your body, and the one
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: for your face neck is as a whole for just
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: your face alone, it's about a quarter teaspoon. I don't
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: like fingers because everyone squeezes different sized fingers. You can
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: get like half a teaspoon if you have blobby ones.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: If you have really skinny ones, you get like a
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: twelfth of a tea spoon or something. So yeah, quarter teaspoon.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Just do it once. Like if you have a pump sunscreen,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: just like pump it. See how many pumps it is,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: then use the same number of pumps or dumb yeah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: or get it as way PhD oh no. I feel
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: like this is more just like talking to a lot
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: of people plain enough is more important. I guess. The
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: other thing is just like, if you're in a high
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: risk situation, go for a more reliable product. So generally
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: things with water resistance are more reliable. Things that feel
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: too good to be true. If something is really lightweight,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: and it claims it's giving you a lot of protection. Maybe,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: like maybe it is, but also the more lightweight it is,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: the harder it is to stay on your skin, and
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: a layer like you'll sweat it off way more easily.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: And also products like powders and sprays like that's not happening.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: So yeah. One of the things about I kept seeing
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: about the Ultra Violet and Naked Sunday's sunscreens was everyone
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: was like, this feels so lightweight, Like it doesn't feel
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: like a mineral sunscreen. And I mean, there is developing
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: check there is tech that can make it feel a
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: lot more lightweight. But if you hear a lot of
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, like maybe don't risk it in high
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: risk situations like maybe everyday sunscreen, but not like to
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the beach.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: True, however, switching geys a little bit clean beauty chemical
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: free dermatologists approved, clinically proven. Which of these terms actually
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: hold any weight? Because they're all kind of like these
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: buzz keywords that we're hearing so much more and more,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and I'm kind of unsure. And that's the thing is
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of these are marketing tools. Do any of
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: them hold any weight?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, so clean beauty in my opinion almost completely bs.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Like companies are not putting products or they're not putting
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: ingredients in products that they know will hurt people's health
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: because if they have the evidence, like they're going to
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: get sued into oblivion and it's not worth it. Like
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: what benefit is they're to putting a really dangerous ingredient
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: in they're compared to a safe ingredient. Maybe it's slightly cheaper,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: but I mean the risk is there. It's usually the
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: big companies that get accused of being like toxic. There's
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: so many people working in them. Like if you've ever
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: organized a surprise party, people blab like they can't keep
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: it secret for that long. The people in these companies
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: they aren't that evil. Like everyone has to use beauty products,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: that's allthing like shower gels, even like the the dirtiest dude,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: they have to use shampoo at some point. So yeah,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: it's just not happening. Chemical free. Everything is a chemical
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: nothing's chemical free. Dermatologists approved this one is Oh so
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: I heard this from someone I know who's a dermatologist
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: and they were at a conference they went to like
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: a lecture and a company passed a piece of paper
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: around and they were like, would you recommend our cleanser
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: or like, I can't remember.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: What it was.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: It was something like dish soap for washing your face,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: and I mean maybe one troll was like dish soap
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: and then they collected that and that is enough evidence
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: for some companies to say dermatologists approved. So yeah, my god,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: yeah there are Like I mean, I feel like it
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be enough, and I feel like if anyone took
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: them to court, that might not be enough. But there's
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: just not that much regulation of these terms. So yeah,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: some brands, I'm sure they do actually do proper trials.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: They properly run things through a dermatologist. Other brands like
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: it counts clinically proven. I like clinical testing, but I
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: think just having that term doesn't mean much. You want
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: to see what they tested on, Like is it proven
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: for wrinkles? Is it proven for wrinkles in people my
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: age or is it for like a much older age.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Is it proven for wrinkles around the eyes or somewhere
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: where I care, like around my mouth for example. So yeah,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I think looking at the actual claims, seeing how much
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: matches with what your skin goals are is really important?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: What do you think about when brands share statistics from
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: clinical trials or from trials with consumers. So let's say
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: ninety five percent of testers saw a decrease in the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: appearance of wrinkles after using this.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Product for two weeks.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: What do you think of studies like that? Is it
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: kind of similar to what you were just saying.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I think it's good when a brand invests in third
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: party clinical testing, like they actually go out find an
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: independent lab, they give them the product, they do the testing.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: It's not like in house testing. Okay, that's usually what's
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: on products, but it is expensive. So yeah, I like
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: it when brands do that because it shows that they
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: put in the effort, which I think counts. But yeah,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: like the actual numbers that sort of stuff, there's so
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: much and how they design these studies that you can't
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: really take two products and compare like nine versus ninety
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: three percent or something. But yeah, I do like to
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: see it though too.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: That's interesting, and I like that these terms, like al said,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: they are marketing tools, and I think that it is
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: good to know to take them with a grain of salt.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: So with that being said, what are some actual green
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: flags and red flags that people should be looking out
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: for when they're shopping for skincare.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I think having clinical tests that match your skin
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: goals that is a massive green flag for me. Also,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: if you have a brand that invests in research, Like
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: if you go on so Google scholar is like throwback. Yeah,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: it's like the little tab. It's really hard to find now,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: but you can actually like search brands and see how
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: much research they do. So yeah, it's really the big
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: big brands like Laoreal Orzjanja, like Nutrogena, all of those brands, Unilever,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: they do lots of research and so their products usually
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: do actually have good science behind them, even if they're
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: marketed and like sometimes they there's marketing kind of sucks
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: and you kind of feel like they're trying to sell
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: you some dodgy stuff, but then you find out actually
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: there is good stuff behind it. Red flags if it's
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: too good to be true. I would say it usually is.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Also if they have like this is kind of hard
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: to spot, but an incorrect ingredients list, but sometimes you
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: can see like really obvious typos and to me, that
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: just says like they did not put enough effort into
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: this little part they probably didn't put that much effort
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: into the rest of it.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's interesting.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: That's a good flag. Yeah, you have a.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Really interesting video that blew my mind on SPF sprays
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and mists, and it made us want to ask you
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the question of what skincare products are kind of just
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a bit of a money grab.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: I'd say, yeah, SPF Miss and powders. So that video
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: blew my mind. Well, that experiment blew my mind as well,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: because before that I was recommending SPF Miss for reapplication.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: It feels like it would be great, right, Like, it
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: feels light, it's not messing your makeup, that exactly what
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: you say.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I feel like so silly because this whole episode you'd
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: been like, if it sounds too good to be true,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: it probably is. And I'm like shity that I felt
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I was recommending it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was like, oh dog, yeah. So the
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: problem is like you're not putting it that close to
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: your face because you know, when it's really in your eyes,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: you're not gonna try to spray it like that. And
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: usually the instructions actually say I think twenty centimeters from
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: your face. In that distance, the little spray droplets they
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: just waffed off and you can also see in the
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: videos like everyone has like clouds around their face when
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: they're using it. So there were actually some studies by
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: doctor Elkie Hacker from Queensland, and the TJA saw those studies.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: It was mostly on body products. So she was looking
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: at spray's at the beach, the tiniest amount of wind,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: like if you can see leaves move, that spray is
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: going sideways and yeah, like you just cannot get it
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: on your skin that well. So the TGA changed the
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: instructions that were allowed on sprays in mid twenty twenty four,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: and so face sprays they literally say, do not spray
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: directly on face, spray echy hands and then apply on face.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: But obviously everyone on TikTok and Instagram they just spraying
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: it on their face. They're ignoring their instruction. So I
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: feel like they should do a bit more with that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: But for body they say, spray really close to your
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: skin and spray it until you have a continuous shiny,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: wet layer. Yeah. So you yeah, like you're not doing
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: that with your makeup?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Wow? What about skin tints, especially SPF skin tints.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Depends on how much you can apply. If you get.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: If you can get a lot on your face, which
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: may be like oh tiny fraction of the products, then
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: that's going to work as SPF. Otherwise I would just
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: ignore the SPF label and yes, use a set presimes
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: going on top.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I saw Hannah Collingwood English who love her. Yeah, it's
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: just amazing. She did a video once and she was like,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: this is how much of the skin tint I would
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: need to apply to actually hit what they say. The
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: SBA fifty is on like the bottle and I was like,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that looks terrible. Yeah, good to note.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Good to note.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Final question in this do anti aging products actually exist?
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're not going to make you younger, but
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: they can reverse some of the premature skin aging signs,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: usually from sun exposure. So I mean there are studies
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: where sunscreen was an anti aging product. There was a
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  Speaker 3: study it was from a sunscreen brand. But it makes
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: sense as well. When people put on sunscreen, some of
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: their signs of aging actually reversed because your body can
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: repair itself to some extent, so if you're not constantly
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: reassaulting it with UV, then it's going to help. And
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I mean for people with more pigment prone skin, like me,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: the way our skin ages isn't through wrinkles but through
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: pigment changes, like we get patches of pigment and that
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  Speaker 3: like sunscreen works so well for reversing that. So yeah,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: anti aging, I would say, Oh, okay, there we go, pluspassion, noise,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: plus chemicals folios, but sunscreen.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Good to know they do exist, good to know it's
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: not just Turby still.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: But we do want to wrap with some fun little games,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and we want to play a game of Smash or
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Pass Beauty Trend Edition, So we're going to start with
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: led masks Smash or Pass.
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  Speaker 3: I like them, So smash at home once. Yeah, Like,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: I've tried a few, and I did one where I
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: was actually taking photos to get it before and after,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: and I felt like it wasn't doing much and I
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: didn't think it would show up and you can actually
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: see the redness. Did Ashley decrease over the thirty ish days?
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Cool salmon sperm injections.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: I had some done recently, Ashley. Yeah, I oh they
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: hurt so much? Really, they sting so bad? Yeah? So
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: did you see different smash up pars? Hard to say,
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  Speaker 3: but I I think I think it would work it's
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: expensive and it's so painful though. You have to smash
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: a pass. Ah, smash Okay, skin needling, smash your pass,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: pass unless it's done by a proper person in a clinic,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: not at home.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: T Yes, absolutely agree. Baby botox I would pass because
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like, save it up for the big, for
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the big botox. Yeah.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Hydrofacials for me pass. I know some people have really
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: good results with them, but it's so hit and miss
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: compared to other things that that are in the same
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: price range.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Is there a skin treatment that wasn't on this list
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: that you would have smashed times ten?
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Laser? Yeah, just because pigment it's really hard to deal with.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: You have to like attack it from all angles and
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: skin care only does so much. Laser is really, I think,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: probably the best thing for it. Oh, it's hard to say,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: depends on the person, but yeah, something's neat to be
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: hit with. Okay, and do you have the reverse?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Is there anything that wasn't on the list that you
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: think is an absolute pass? Oh?
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: There's so many. Girl, Like most skincare ingredients that get
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: hyped up. Oh Bercuccio, everyone's saying, like retinal alternative, it's
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: not like it's it's good, but like that's that's pure marketing. Okay,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: like it's it's fine. Okay. Supplements most skin supplements, yeah,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: past yea good to know.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I actually have a skincare ingredient, smash your pass for you,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: So we'll do that.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Are you ready? Okay?
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, So smash your pass or like you can rate
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: it out of ten whatever you like.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: So a retinal smash for sure. Vitamin C smash depends
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: on the formula, but generally smash. If it's good formula,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: it can break down really easily, so you want it
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: to be stable and so it's a bit spicy for
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: some people. There are derivatives, but they're not as proven.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: I feel like some of them are pretty good, though.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite vitamin C?
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Oh Well, friend made just in general, My friend made
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: a really good one. He's called Stephen. It's called Poems
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: from the Lab. I don't know if he ships to
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Australia though. He's been shipping me tubes though, so.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Is there an Australian one or one available in Australia.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Skinceuticals one is really good, but they're
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: patient e spite, so there's probably gonna be tons of
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: dupes coming out. Yeah yeah, Okay in his free one
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: has really good reviews too. I just started using it
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: last night because I saw the good reviews.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: So okay, salasilic acid.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Smash my first skincare active ingredient. Yeah, Paula's choice two
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: percent BHA liquid back in two thousand and eight, Niacina
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: mind smash. There's so much variation with products. I love
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: the Allay super serum, but yeah, it's some people. Some
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: people react to it, but otherwise yeah, really nice.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Hyaluronic acid depends on the product. Generally smash, Glycolic acid
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: generally smash. Yeah, Actually glycolics easy, yeah, smash.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Oh is there any glycolic Oh? Is there any hyaluronic
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: acid that you like?
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, I've done sponsor post for them, but that's because
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: I saw their research. The Lorreal stuff is really good. Yeah,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: hyaluronic it's such a mix sometimes that you get ones
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: like the really cheap ones. They tend to only sit
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: on the very outside of your skin, and it feels
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: a bit like a film. Okay. Some people say it
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: dries out their skin, which I think is is. I
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: feel like it's usually just the product, like shrinking a
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: little bit on their skin type, feeling good to know. Seramides, Oh,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: they're all right, ambivalent? Yeah, I think it might because
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: I've got oily skin though, so I just don't see
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: the benefits as much. Okay. Peptides are so tricky, really annoying,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: So yeah, if I don't have time to look deep
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: into it, pass. Oh okay. Lactic acid smash, love lactic acid,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: love it more than glycolic.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Which which is your favorite? Lacto lactic acid? Is it
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the Sunday?
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: It's so good?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: And then squalene or squalene.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: It's all right, it's it's as an oily skin person,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: it's a relative smash. But compared to everything else, that's
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: not an oil? Pass? What about what about face oils?
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I only use them in like the dead of winter.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, humactans all the way for me oily skin.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: That's so good. So out of those so retinal vitamin C,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: salicilic acid, nice cinemaid, hyaluronic acid, glycolic acid, seramides, peptides,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: lactic acid, squalene or squalene.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Your favorites are top three? Rational salicilic acid? Oh oh no, no,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: did I waste one. I'm gonna jat oh. It's between
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: vitamin ceed, nice cinamide, and lactic acid. We'll give it
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: to la one.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: It's fine. Well, thank you so much for joining us.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: That has been such an educational hour for us.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Man we went to school. Bye, No, I'm sorry.
• 39:44
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• 39:46
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• 39:49
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• 39:52
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• 39:59
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• 40:01
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• 40:02
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• 40:05
  Speaker 2: for having us in the ear holes. We love to
• 40:06
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• 40:09
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