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The Greatest Ohio State Freshman Seasons Ever - And Who Could Be Next · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: All right, today you're getting an episode of the Time
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Speaker 1: about the best true freshman seasons of all time, which
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Speaker 1: freshmen will have the biggest impact this year, and which
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven prospects could have the biggest impact a
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Speaker 3: Hello everybody, Welcome to the Time and Change will surely show.
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Speaker 3: I'm Johny Gerdaman. He always with Juck Melody, Juck, I
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Speaker 2: Not much?
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Speaker 3: Just I need to eventually settle into an intro for
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Speaker 3: taken care of. But everybody, welcome to the Time and
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Speaker 3: Change Will Shirley Show, where we take one Ohio state
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Speaker 3: specific topic, talk about the past, the present, and the
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Speaker 3: future of that topic. Today we are talking about true
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Speaker 3: freshman the best true freshman seasons of all time. We're
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Speaker 3: gonna look back, gonna look to the present day and
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Speaker 3: see what kind of true freshman contributions the Buckeyes will
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Speaker 3: get this year, and then take a peek ahead to
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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty seven class and what kind of contributions
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Speaker 3: the buck guys may get from some of their players
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Speaker 3: that are committed and perhaps other players who are not
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Speaker 3: yet committed in twenty twenty seven. I don't know who
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Speaker 3: that could be. I'm sure we'll figure it out. We
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Speaker 3: will talk about that what things might look like next
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Speaker 3: year from that class. But first I'm going to go
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Speaker 3: ahead and throw graphic up on the screen. I went
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Speaker 3: and I put together my top ten true freshman seasons
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Speaker 3: of all time at Ohio State. There's nothing scientific. You
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Speaker 3: didn't have here, no, because there's no good way to
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Speaker 3: do it because you're talking about defensive lineman, offensive lineman.
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Speaker 3: There's no stats. You've got some big ten freshmen of
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Speaker 3: the year who did not make the list and others
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Speaker 3: who did. But this was just I figured, you know what,
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Speaker 3: I'm part of the show. I can just go ahead
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Speaker 3: and use my opinion and go with that. But obviously
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Speaker 3: the number one I think we would all agree is
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Speaker 3: Jeremiah Smith based on what he did that year. And
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Speaker 3: I'm curious when did I'll tell my story after you
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Speaker 3: tell yours, But when when were you all in on
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Speaker 3: him being the guys true freshman? At what point?
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Speaker 2: Was it?
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Speaker 3: Was it before he was signed? Was it after he
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Speaker 3: was signed and you started to hear stuff or because
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna call you out right now if you think
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Speaker 3: if you're gonna tell me I knew he was gonna,
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Speaker 3: you know, catch go for fourteen hundred yards or whatever,
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Speaker 3: when before he was ever signed, because that's insane. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it ended up being correct. But when did you have
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Speaker 3: this strong feeling that he was going to be something
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Speaker 3: that we hadn't seen before, or did you.
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Speaker 4: So the the film coming out his senior year at
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Speaker 4: Shamanad made me think that for sure, he's going to
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Speaker 4: come in and fight for a starting job. And then
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Speaker 4: I want to say, like that first week a spring
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Speaker 4: was like, Okay, this is this is legitimately like maybe
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Speaker 4: the number one dude. And that felt like a ridiculous
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Speaker 4: take at that point, but it wasn't.
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Speaker 2: It was not a ridiculous take.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, the senior film at Shamanad was just like,
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Speaker 4: I mean, it'll go down in history as some of
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Speaker 4: the most exciting, ridiculous stuff we've ever seen, just so
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Speaker 4: big and fast.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just it just it was everything right.
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Speaker 4: It was like, there's no way this guy's not going
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Speaker 4: to actually compete for a starting job as a freshman,
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Speaker 4: and just to say that sounded absurd. And then to
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Speaker 4: be like, yeah, he's really gonna start. But even then,
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Speaker 4: you always had the wonder because of this particular coaching
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Speaker 4: staff has never been big on, you know, giving the
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Speaker 4: freshman a lot. They've always been cautious with them, but
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Speaker 4: you just didn't know how much they'd feed him.
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Speaker 2: And then and then Tony.
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Speaker 4: When it really changed was the spring game when Ryan
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Speaker 4: Day was like, watch this and then he was like,
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Speaker 4: but we're gonna pull him out early, and it's like, okay,
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Speaker 4: he's talking about him like he's the fourth year starting quarterback,
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Speaker 4: like we got to make sure he stays healthy.
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Speaker 2: And that's when like, okay.
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Speaker 3: He's going to be the dude. The dude. Like that
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Speaker 3: to me was the big tell. It was interesting because
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Speaker 3: Ryan Day up until that very point, was very cautious
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Speaker 3: on what he would say about Jeremiah Smith. And we
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Speaker 3: all we've talked before about his reaction to Jeremiah Smith
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Speaker 3: signing and getting that, but he was very cautious in
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Speaker 3: what he would tell people and didn't want to he
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Speaker 3: would stop himself, and anytime a coach has to stop themselves,
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Speaker 3: you're like, okay, I'm gonna make a mental note of that.
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Speaker 3: But then when he was finally like watch this, and
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Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, okay, he's he's now allowing himself to
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Speaker 3: be a little bit freer with everything he's seen because
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Speaker 3: by that point others had seen it as well. And
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Speaker 3: I can't remember if we were there for the like
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Speaker 3: the first spring practice, because I was getting reports. I
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Speaker 3: got a text from some and I could remember if
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Speaker 3: they told me that he was awe inspiring or jaw dropping.
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Speaker 3: It was something like that, from like the first practice,
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Speaker 3: all inspiring. It's like, I mean, come on, what are
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Speaker 3: we talking about? And then you go and you watch
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Speaker 3: it and it's just like the place it's you got
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Speaker 3: a crowd of people in there, whether it's recruits or
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Speaker 3: coaches or whatever during the spring random spring game or
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Speaker 3: spring practices, and he'll make a play and then there's
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Speaker 3: just like the silence and then explosion because you're like,
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Speaker 3: you know, what did I and he would? It just
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Speaker 3: be every single practice that we were there. It got
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Speaker 3: to the point where then for like the student appreciation
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Speaker 3: day and then the coaching clinic practices. It reminded me
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Speaker 3: of because I knew what was going to happen, right,
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Speaker 3: So it reminded me of rewatching Breaking Bad with my
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Speaker 3: wife who had never seen it, and I knew all
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Speaker 3: of the good stuff coming up.
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Speaker 2: I knew all of the great scenes.
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Speaker 3: I knew all of the things that were gonna blow
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Speaker 3: her mind, and I just got to relive that experience
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Speaker 3: through her. It was just like reliving the experience of
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Speaker 3: watching Jeremiah Smith for the first time through all of
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Speaker 3: these other people who hadn't seen him before getting to
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Speaker 3: watch him make these plays.
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Speaker 2: And it was Ryan Day saying watch.
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Speaker 3: This, yeah, right exactly, And so then it was maybe
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Speaker 3: those first few practices that we saw I was like, well,
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Speaker 3: I'm no longer slow playing. This guy's going to get
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Speaker 3: a thousand yards receiving this year. I was like, I'm done.
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Speaker 3: I can't not be calm about this any longer. Because
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Speaker 3: I was trying to say, look, look, I remember, Tony.
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Speaker 3: You were driving me nuts.
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Speaker 4: Bro, you really were, because you and Tom in particular
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Speaker 4: have always been very cautious of this, not to put
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Speaker 4: too much on freshmen. And I was just waiting, what
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Speaker 4: are these twodes just finally gonna admit it? Man, just
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Speaker 4: would you just admit it? This dude's different. Would you
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Speaker 4: just say it for crying out loud? And I remember
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Speaker 4: the day you did, and I was like, here we go.
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Speaker 4: Finally they got Girdham and it's officially on.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, it was a memorable year, as everybody knows,
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Speaker 3: and just the best freshman season we've ever seen. I
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Speaker 3: want to move to the second one on the list.
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Speaker 3: That's Andy Katsimilare, I don't know, did you Did you
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Speaker 3: get to watch much of the ninety six that one? Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 3: all right, And I don't know for the people who didn't.
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Speaker 3: He was almost a mythical figure in ninety six with
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Speaker 3: what he was doing and what they were able to
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Speaker 3: allow him to do. He was basically just a wrecking ball.
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Speaker 3: His season as a true freshman, eighty five tackles, twenty
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Speaker 3: three tackles for lost, twelve sacks, four interceptions, a touchdown,
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Speaker 3: three forced fumbles. In the Rose Bowl against Jake Plummer,
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Speaker 3: the number two team in the nation, Arizona State sun Devils,
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Speaker 3: eight tackles, five tackles for lost, three sacks, an interception.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 3: It was incredibly fun to watch him that year, and
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Speaker 3: it would take a special season to top that one
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Speaker 3: in terms of the true freshman. And I don't think
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Speaker 3: he ever, he never matched those tackle for lost numbers.
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Speaker 3: But he was also doing different things over the course
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Speaker 3: of the rest of his career. But that was the
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Speaker 3: time to be alive, boy, was it.
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Speaker 2: Ever? When you talk about he was almost like a
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Speaker 2: mythical character.
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Speaker 4: So I was two years below him, three years, three
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Speaker 4: years behind in high school. So I'm playing high school
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Speaker 4: football at that period, maybe like a sophomore.
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Speaker 3: And.
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Speaker 4: He really was like eight feet tall, five hundred pounds.
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Speaker 4: This guy was just I mean, I just wanted to
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Speaker 4: see him in person. Eventually did at a party on campus.
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Speaker 4: It didn't go as well as I hoped, but it
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Speaker 4: was like just mythical bad dude, And it was so
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Speaker 4: amazing to watch this guy in the pictures that came out.
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Speaker 4: Remember the picture members where a visor is freshman year,
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Speaker 4: the picture with the visor and you could see, uh,
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Speaker 4: the one is against Missouri and you can see Missouri
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Speaker 4: and the visor and it's just like that might be
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Speaker 4: the hardest picture in Ohio state history of a guy
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Speaker 4: just standing there.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it is so awesome. Uh. He had the
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Speaker 2: barbed wire tattoo, we had it all.
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Speaker 3: He was I think they were listening to him in
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Speaker 3: like six four or six fire like two hundred and
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Speaker 3: forty five pounds, like should have never he was too
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Speaker 3: big like he was. He was a prototype. Like if
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Speaker 3: you were to create a middle linebacker and be like,
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Speaker 3: you know, let's just make him a little bit taller,
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Speaker 3: a little bit stronger, and a little bit heavier. I know,
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Speaker 3: it's not realistic, but let's do that. He was that, yeah,
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Speaker 3: and he was a USA Today All American as a
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Speaker 3: you know, in high school and then started I think,
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Speaker 3: every game as a true freshman for the buck Eyes.
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Speaker 3: And we're not gonna spend a whole bunch of time
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Speaker 3: on all of these guys, but I do want to
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Speaker 3: talk about a few of them, because like number three
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Speaker 3: on the list is another guy at Orlando Pace who
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Speaker 3: started every game for the buck Eyes. I think that
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Speaker 3: was the first offensive lineman to start game one for
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Speaker 3: the Buckeyes and the reason he's number three on this list,
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Speaker 3: he was just really, really good from the outset, maybe
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Speaker 3: gave up a sack as a true freshman, depending on
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Speaker 3: who you ask. He was the Big Ten Freshman of
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Speaker 3: the year, only second team All Big Ten, but anytime
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Speaker 3: you could put a freshman in left tackle and just
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Speaker 3: be like, we don't need to worry about that anymore,
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Speaker 3: that's something special. And there's no stats. They eventually created
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Speaker 3: stats for him, but this one was just I had
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Speaker 3: to have him somewhere right, and I couldn't put him
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Speaker 3: ahead of Smith or Katz and Moore. I'm wondering, as
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Speaker 3: you look at this list, do you agree with where
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Speaker 3: he is. Should he be somewhere else?
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Speaker 2: What do you think? I've got him fourth?
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Speaker 4: Okay, so my list if we're going down, so I'm
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Speaker 4: at JJ, I've got moat too, Katz and Moyer at
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Speaker 4: three in really into it.
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Speaker 3: Four that's fair enough because Maurice Cleret as a freshman,
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Speaker 3: was also another mythical figure and twelve and thirty seven
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Speaker 3: yards rushing in eleven games, missed three games, was injured
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Speaker 3: with playing hurt in a couple of others, and even
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Speaker 3: in the National Championship game the running wasn't there for him.
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Speaker 3: He still scored twice and he still made the biggest
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Speaker 3: play of the game.
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Speaker 2: That's strip him.
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Speaker 4: Over the top for me in that kind of argument,
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Speaker 4: It's like when you show up in that moment as
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Speaker 4: a freshman and you're the best guy on your team,
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Speaker 4: like making the play of the game in the National Championship.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the dude was just different. It was.
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Speaker 4: Talented, very talented, not super speedy. I mean, you just
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Speaker 4: got it done, yep. And he never would be denied.
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Speaker 4: It was just like something to watch man.
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Speaker 3: He made the first guy miss every time and gave
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Speaker 3: the offensive line time to get to where they needed.
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Speaker 3: But even the Michigan game, he's the one that drew
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Speaker 3: up and said, hey, let's run the wheel route because
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Speaker 3: Michigan's not following me, and that led to what the
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Speaker 3: game winning score eventually. So smart guy able to pick
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Speaker 3: up pass protection, was the best blocker of the running backs.
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Speaker 3: That's that's one of the reasons he played. I don't
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Speaker 3: have a problem with him being number three because for
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Speaker 3: a long time he was the best running back I
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Speaker 3: ever saw at Ohio State. And obviously it's too bad
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Speaker 3: we didn't get to see more of them. We're seeing
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Speaker 3: more of them now, which is good. But just an
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Speaker 3: incredible freshman season. And I've said before, if you would
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Speaker 3: if he was healthy that entire season, he wins the Heisman,
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Speaker 3: and I still stand by that, even though they sure
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Speaker 3: didn't want to give it to a freshman back then,
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Speaker 3: but he was so good and the hype was so expansive,
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Speaker 3: and he got so much attention that they may not
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Speaker 3: have been able to deny him. Yeah, what do you
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Speaker 3: think about the boss? Because I've got Nick ahead of
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Speaker 3: Joey here, and I.
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Speaker 2: Got Joey ahead of Nick.
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Speaker 4: Okay, I got Joey at six and I got Nick
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Speaker 4: at seven. You've got Nick at five and Joey at six.
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Speaker 3: And I think for me, Joey Bosa started I think
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Speaker 3: ten games. Nick's numbers were just a little bit better,
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Speaker 3: and he was splitting reps with more people. That's why
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Speaker 3: I went with him ahead of Joey Bosa. But I
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Speaker 3: do remembers still one of my favorite memories is Joey
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Speaker 3: Bosa as a freshman in twenty thirteen at one of
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Speaker 3: his first practices. I don't remember. I don't think he
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Speaker 3: came in early. I don't think any of that Bosa's did.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if Saint Thomas Aquinas even allowed it.
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Speaker 3: I don't believe so. So it was Mike Rabel was
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Speaker 3: the defensive line coach at that point. They were outside
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Speaker 3: and he was putting him through drills and he's working him.
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Speaker 3: He's working him. He's yelling at Joey Bosa the entire time,
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Speaker 3: saying this Saint Saint Thomas Aquinas anymore and really really
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Speaker 3: running him. But he ended up starting, like I said,
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Speaker 3: like ten games that year. And that was also you know,
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Speaker 3: Dolphus Washington was a five star defensive defensive end in
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Speaker 3: twenty twelve. We're talking twenty thirteen, Joey Bosa's freshman year,
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Speaker 3: Adolphus Washington got hurt and said, well, when I came back,
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Speaker 3: I knew if I wanted to play, I had to
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Speaker 3: move to defensive tackle because Joey Bosa was on the team.
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Speaker 3: And so just just to cause that kind of understanding
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Speaker 3: and a teammate as talented as Adolphus Washington being like, thank, guys,
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Speaker 3: really good, I'm gonna have to move inside.
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Speaker 2: So do you do?
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Speaker 3: You let me guess your number five is JK Dobbins.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, number five is JK. Yeah, number five is JK.
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Speaker 4: And that was kind of a shocker for me, Like,
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Speaker 4: you know, the senior year where he gets hurt. I
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Speaker 4: thought he was a really good running back, you know,
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Speaker 4: and then that happened and I was, I don't know,
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Speaker 4: I was wondering what we would see out of him
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Speaker 4: as a freshman, probably not a ton and then wow,
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Speaker 4: the what was the I was just read rereading this,
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Speaker 4: but I think his yards per carry were just insane
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Speaker 4: that year.
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Speaker 2: Seven point two seven point two yards of carry. That's insane, dude.
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Speaker 2: That guy was so good, man, he was so.
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Speaker 4: Good, and honestly, I think in our conversations, just you know,
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Speaker 4: fan conversations. I do think he kind of gets glossed
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Speaker 4: over a little bit when we talk about that. I
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Speaker 4: mean he's always there, but just how good he was, man,
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Speaker 4: That guy was something.
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Speaker 2: The jump Cutch season.
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Speaker 3: Ye hyeah, I mean he he made dudes look ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: Then he had the down twenty eighteen where he was
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Speaker 3: splitting carries with Mike Weber and trying to hit the
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Speaker 3: home run every time. And then of course went for
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Speaker 3: two thousand yards and twenty nineteen. But he was very,
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Speaker 3: very special. I remember talking to his high school coach
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Speaker 3: that summer and he was just like, you know, you'll
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Speaker 3: see like I've got hand times and you know, high
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Speaker 3: four to three, low four fours. He can play receiver.
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Speaker 3: He's impossible to touch when you know you're in the
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Speaker 3: open field. And then you just started hearing buzz and
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Speaker 3: it wasn't you know he was. I think he still
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Speaker 3: rushes for a thousand yards even if Mike Weber wasn't
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Speaker 3: a little banged up in camp that year. I think
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Speaker 3: you're still going to see JK. Dobbins out there.
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Speaker 2: Boy.
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Speaker 3: He was fun to watch, and if he doesn't get
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Speaker 3: hurt in twenty nineteen against Clemson. I think that's a
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Speaker 3: different outcome as well, and all of the many different
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Speaker 3: outcomes that could have differently outcomed in that game, that's
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Speaker 3: one of them. I had to throw Marcus Merrick on
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Speaker 3: here because I didn't watch him, but he had over
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Speaker 3: one hundred tackles as a true freshman, and that's I
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Speaker 3: think in an Ohio State record. Corey Stringer was a
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Speaker 3: second team All Big Ten, started like six games, but
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Speaker 3: was playing in every game. Ted Gin, I have number
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Speaker 3: eight on this list because again another just incredible to watch.
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Speaker 3: And the numbers that set him over the edge is
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Speaker 3: are the punt return numbers that I have or that
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Speaker 3: he had four touchdowns? He only caught twenty five passes,
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Speaker 3: two touchdown catches, two touchdown rushes, four touchdowns on punt returns,
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Speaker 3: tied for the team lead in touchdowns with Ted just
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Speaker 3: your thoughts on him?
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Speaker 2: When did you know?
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Speaker 3: Because I remember watching him in the Big thirty three
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Speaker 3: and I think the North South and you could tell
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Speaker 3: that this end the Army All American Game where this
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Speaker 3: was guy that he better not play defense at Ohio State.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, that was like a big fear of mine.
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Speaker 4: I wanted to see this guy with the ball in
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Speaker 4: his hands as much as possible, but he does come
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Speaker 4: in on the defensive side of the ball and a
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Speaker 4: very advantageous decision in there to flip him around. But
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Speaker 4: just maybe you know, there's a whole lot of a
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Speaker 4: lot of unique guys we've seen in Ohio State. Of
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Speaker 4: all the unique guys, this guy was maybe the most unique.
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Speaker 4: I mean the way he runs the ball, just the
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Speaker 4: way it looks, it's just something I've never seen since.
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Speaker 4: And you know, people talk about Jamiir Brown for instance,
19:26
Speaker 4: Jamiir Brown's times, Jamir Brown's incredibly fast. Jamiir Brown doesn't
19:29
Speaker 4: look like Ted Ginn when he runs. It's just totally different.
19:32
Speaker 4: When he gets into that that trot and he gets
19:36
Speaker 4: this forward lean, you see the lean come down and.
19:39
Speaker 2: It's that's it. It's over.
19:40
Speaker 4: It's insane to watch. I don't think we'll ever see
19:43
Speaker 4: anything like it. It was just mesmerizing.
19:47
Speaker 3: You can go back and his highlights are incredible to watch.
19:51
Speaker 3: The times where he's returning a punt and everybody is
19:55
Speaker 3: even and then he kicks it in and you just
19:57
Speaker 3: see the separation that is not natural, and yeah, everybody
20:03
Speaker 3: knows the lean that you're talking about where and it's gone.
20:08
Speaker 3: He's gone a ludicrous speed is what he's gone and
20:11
Speaker 3: done the big thirty three games, So that was Ohio
20:16
Speaker 3: versus Pennsylvania. He I think threw a touchdown in that game,
20:22
Speaker 3: caught like four or five passes for over one hundred yards,
20:25
Speaker 3: including like an eighty six yard or to start, and
20:27
Speaker 3: then Devin Lyons, who ended up going to Ohio State,
20:30
Speaker 3: had like one hundred yards receiving in the first half
20:33
Speaker 3: and then finally they put ted gin on him. Ted
20:35
Speaker 3: Ginn was only playing offense in that game, and in
20:37
Speaker 3: the second half that he's like, yeah, I'll play some defense.
20:39
Speaker 3: Shut Devin lions down. Gave up like one catch for
20:42
Speaker 3: like three yards and was remarkable, and I think he
20:46
Speaker 3: had a touch kickoff return for a touchdown maybe in
20:50
Speaker 3: the Army game.
20:51
Speaker 2: Yeah.
20:52
Speaker 3: It is always electric, and you know you're talking about
20:56
Speaker 3: all the different kinds of people. I think if maybe
21:00
Speaker 3: be at one point we'll do like the most dangerous
21:03
Speaker 3: Buckeyes because he was dangerous from wherever. And the Michigan
21:10
Speaker 3: State game is a true freshman where he scored three touchdowns,
21:12
Speaker 3: one on an end a round one on a part
21:14
Speaker 3: return and then the game winner on a slant. It
21:18
Speaker 3: was just you never knew what he was going to do,
21:22
Speaker 3: but you had to keep your eyes on him. And
21:24
Speaker 3: then he capped it with that Alamo Bowl and some
21:26
Speaker 3: craziness in that game. It was just it was so
21:29
Speaker 3: fun to watch.
21:30
Speaker 4: It was a It was a great, great career to watch,
21:33
Speaker 4: and I did not. I mean, he lasted so long
21:36
Speaker 4: in the NFL, becoming more and more of a polished
21:39
Speaker 4: receiver every year, which is awesome. And now, of course
21:43
Speaker 4: you know the head football coach for for the Aviators.
21:46
Speaker 2: So there you go.
21:49
Speaker 3: Is there anybody like what was what was your list?
21:52
Speaker 3: So that I got it? Was there anybody on this list?
21:54
Speaker 4: So I see after JK at five, a Joey at six,
21:58
Speaker 4: I had Nick at seven. I had Chris Carter at eight,
22:03
Speaker 4: who I didn't get to see a whole lot of.
22:05
Speaker 4: But for me, Chris Carter is kind of a revolutionary
22:10
Speaker 4: wide receiver. Like the stuff that we see these guys
22:12
Speaker 4: do on the routine now is he's he's kind of
22:16
Speaker 4: like the Godfather, right, He's like the acrobatic one handed catch,
22:21
Speaker 4: the body control. And then I put a little bit
22:23
Speaker 4: of what he did into the NFL in with that
22:25
Speaker 4: legacy because he was so great in the NFL as well.
22:30
Speaker 4: It just kind of I can't separate the two because
22:32
Speaker 4: the majority of my life I watched him playing in
22:34
Speaker 4: the NFL. Right, That's the majority of what I knew
22:37
Speaker 4: of him. But I've got Travion at nine. I thought
22:42
Speaker 4: Travian's freshman season deserved to be on here with nineteen
22:47
Speaker 4: total touchdowns, which is just bizarre. Also six point eight
22:50
Speaker 4: yards a carry, which is some serious, serious stuff.
22:55
Speaker 2: And then at.
22:57
Speaker 4: Ten, I've got Stringer as well, who was the Big
23:01
Speaker 4: Ten freshmen of the year. Starting six games. Again, starting
23:05
Speaker 4: a tackle as a freshman just blows my mind.
23:09
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess was it more common back then,
23:11
Speaker 2: Tony or was it? Well? No, never really see it anything.
23:16
Speaker 3: Because, like I said, Orlando base was the first one
23:18
Speaker 3: to start the first the season opener on the offensive
23:20
Speaker 3: line for Ohio State.
23:22
Speaker 2: And I think.
23:24
Speaker 3: With Orlando the fact that they didn't move Corey Stringer
23:27
Speaker 3: to left tackle and pass freshman year and they just said, no, Orlando,
23:31
Speaker 3: you're the left tackle. We'll keep this all big ten
23:34
Speaker 3: right tackle at right tackle and go from there. But
23:38
Speaker 3: oh yeah, it's incredible. And then also in short yardage
23:43
Speaker 3: and on field goals, they put them both on the
23:45
Speaker 3: defensive line, and I've tried dealing with that. It's that's
23:49
Speaker 3: just all kinds of mass the you know. Yeah, Travon
23:54
Speaker 3: Henderson in that Tulsa game as a true freshman is
23:56
Speaker 3: pretty incredible. Yeah, Chris Carter. So I don't necessarily remember
24:02
Speaker 3: him as a as a freshman. I remember him at
24:03
Speaker 3: Ohio State because as kids, as a child, me and
24:09
Speaker 3: me and my friends, we would be Chris Carter as
24:11
Speaker 3: we're trying to toe the line or you know, catch
24:15
Speaker 3: something while diving, because we knew even then before he
24:18
Speaker 3: was ever in the NFL he had the best hands
24:20
Speaker 3: we ever saw, and it was just known. It was
24:23
Speaker 3: a thing. I was like nine years old. It's like, yes,
24:27
Speaker 3: everybody knows this, Like George Washington's the first president. Chris
24:30
Speaker 3: Carter has the best hands in football history.
24:33
Speaker 2: What else? Syat?
24:33
Speaker 3: That's all I need to know. I'm fine. Yeah, we'll
24:37
Speaker 3: eventually do a show on wide receivers and you look
24:40
Speaker 3: at all the numbers that are going on, and he's
24:42
Speaker 3: still gonna have to be on that Mount Rushmore.
24:45
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely.
24:46
Speaker 4: I don't know that he's ever coming off of that,
24:48
Speaker 4: no matter, well, who knows, I don't know.
24:51
Speaker 2: Maybe you get a couple more JJ's, you know, I
24:53
Speaker 2: don't know. I guess I don't say that.
24:55
Speaker 3: Well, and the thing is here now, like Marvin, Marv
24:58
Speaker 3: would be up there, and again we're this a new
25:00
Speaker 3: show that we're not doing yet, but Marv would be
25:02
Speaker 3: up there. But he's got to get the NFL thing
25:06
Speaker 3: going or else it's going to diminish what he did
25:09
Speaker 3: at Ohio State, which is crazy because it shouldn't because
25:11
Speaker 3: he was it shouldn't, but.
25:12
Speaker 2: It just does in our perception. It just does.
25:16
Speaker 4: But I just coming out into the NFL, I didn't
25:20
Speaker 4: care who the quarterback was. I was positive that was
25:22
Speaker 4: going to be a successful NFL player. I don't know
25:25
Speaker 4: that I've ever been more shocked than seeing him drop
25:29
Speaker 4: balls and like get this case of the drops that
25:31
Speaker 4: he's had in the league, which I think he's somewhat
25:34
Speaker 4: gotten straightened out, but like seeing him like defeated in
25:38
Speaker 4: interviews because the drop balls was like, what's going on here?
25:41
Speaker 4: One of the more shocking ones. But I still think
25:44
Speaker 4: he'll turn it around. He's sort of two dog on good.
25:47
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure they'll have better quarterback play this year
25:50
Speaker 3: with Kyler Murray in Minnesota. And I'm sure Minnesota will
25:53
Speaker 3: have better quarterback play with Kyler Murray. Last quick thing
25:56
Speaker 3: on Ted Gin in that Big thirty three game, the
26:00
Speaker 3: one of the Pennsylvania corners was Darryl Reeves and Ted
26:04
Speaker 3: Gin finished with five catches for one hundred and forty
26:06
Speaker 3: two yards, and of course I think like a thirty
26:08
Speaker 3: six yard touchdown pass on a on a double pass
26:12
Speaker 3: and a round type thing.
26:14
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Man. I heard they still play the Big
26:17
Speaker 2: thirty three against Maryland. Now, yeah, yeah, what a blumber
26:21
Speaker 2: is that? Well?
26:22
Speaker 3: I think Pennsylvania got tired of losing and said, what's
26:26
Speaker 3: Maryland up to? And so they texted Maryland you up?
26:30
Speaker 2: Yeah?
26:30
Speaker 3: Maryland was like sure, yeah, sure, we'll come over. So
26:34
Speaker 3: let's move to the present and talk about the freshman
26:37
Speaker 3: impacts that Ohio State could have this year, because I
26:40
Speaker 3: want to point out, if you go back whenever Ohio
26:43
Speaker 3: State has won a national championship since freshman true freshmen
26:47
Speaker 3: have been eligible, there have been at least one true
26:52
Speaker 3: freshman that makes a sizable impact on that championship season.
26:55
Speaker 3: Two thousand and two, you've got Maurice Clarette. You've got
26:59
Speaker 3: aj Hall in the two deep. Twenty fourteen, Curtis Samuel
27:05
Speaker 3: is the backup running back, rushing for almost four hundred yards.
27:09
Speaker 3: You've got Rayqwan McMillan splitting time with Curtis Grant. He
27:12
Speaker 3: finishes with almost sixty tackles twenty twenty four. Obviously Jeremiah Smith.
27:17
Speaker 3: That's about the extent of it for twenty twenty four.
27:21
Speaker 3: But if we're talking about Ohio State having a possibility
27:23
Speaker 3: as a national champion this year, history says that there
27:28
Speaker 3: has to be a true freshman who contributes a lot,
27:33
Speaker 3: whether as a starter or as a two deep guy.
27:36
Speaker 3: I don't know that any freshman is starting this year.
27:39
Speaker 3: Maybe Chris Henry could win a job. But when you
27:41
Speaker 3: look at the biggest impact that kind of maybe leads
27:44
Speaker 3: to helps a national championship, where do you start.
27:50
Speaker 4: Well, I would probably start with Chris Henry as well,
27:55
Speaker 4: but part of me leans towards Legend as well, just
28:00
Speaker 4: based on you know, we kind of figure he's already
28:03
Speaker 4: getting penciled in for five touches minimum of game. There's
28:07
Speaker 4: no guarantee that's happening with Chris. We kind of feel
28:10
Speaker 4: like that's already in the plans for Legend, and if
28:14
Speaker 4: things go well, that grows. And I'm kind of a
28:18
Speaker 4: firm believer that things are gonna go well with that
28:21
Speaker 4: should they find a way to utilize him right, And
28:25
Speaker 4: you know, we're seeing the masket packed on, which means
28:29
Speaker 4: he's gonna be a little more durable, which means they're
28:31
Speaker 4: gonna be less skittish about where they give.
28:34
Speaker 2: Him the ball.
28:35
Speaker 4: And I think adding a little bit of extra power
28:37
Speaker 4: isn't gonna hurt his game at all. And he already
28:39
Speaker 4: is powerful. He's in a very powerful lower half. It's
28:42
Speaker 4: not like he's some kid that you just pop around
28:46
Speaker 4: and he drops on first contact. It's not just a
28:49
Speaker 4: speed jitterbug like that that goes down easy as well.
28:53
Speaker 4: So Chris Henry Legend, probably the two on offense that
28:58
Speaker 4: I could see potential, would be the most likely to
29:01
Speaker 4: make that kind of impact.
29:03
Speaker 3: I think the interesting thing with Legend is you're right,
29:07
Speaker 3: he's not a guy that well we need to get
29:10
Speaker 3: him in space and it's like, oh, here we go
29:14
Speaker 3: and try to get me times. Yeah, yeah, throw it
29:16
Speaker 3: out and throw a swing pass out and it's a
29:18
Speaker 3: three yard loss. On a tackle because the blocking isn't there.
29:22
Speaker 3: The thing that Carlos Lochlan has said about Legend Bay
29:25
Speaker 3: is he's run between the tackles his entire life. When
29:29
Speaker 3: you watch him play. This isn't somebody that only runs
29:32
Speaker 3: sweeps or is just scrambling. He will run between the tackles,
29:37
Speaker 3: and he will duck his head and he will keep
29:39
Speaker 3: his eyes up or what you know, like he's not
29:40
Speaker 3: afraid of the contact. So this isn't like you know,
29:45
Speaker 3: Dontre Wilson in twenty thirteen were Urban's like, well, we
29:47
Speaker 3: can't run between the tackles until he's two hundred pounds,
29:50
Speaker 3: and he never quite made it to two hundred pounds,
29:52
Speaker 3: so I could never run between the tackles because that's
29:54
Speaker 3: a rule. Legend Bay is currently listed at one hundred
30:00
Speaker 3: seventy seven pounds. He ain't one hundred and seventy.
30:03
Speaker 2: He's about one ninety five.
30:05
Speaker 3: He is not one hundred and seventy seven pounds. We'll
30:07
Speaker 3: see what they list him at on that first fall
30:11
Speaker 3: camp roster. But he looks like he can run the
30:14
Speaker 3: ball at anywhere you want. I'm not saying they're gonna,
30:17
Speaker 3: you know, put him in there. With forts tight ends
30:19
Speaker 3: on third and short. Lachlan laughed at the idea, saying
30:22
Speaker 3: I'm never I'm not doing that. We've got other guys
30:24
Speaker 3: for that. You got three guys are two hundred and
30:27
Speaker 3: twenty pounds for that. You don't need legend Batee to
30:30
Speaker 3: do that. But he's not just a gimmick guy that
30:35
Speaker 3: you can only use in one area. They can use
30:38
Speaker 3: them all over the place. And I think for me,
30:41
Speaker 3: he's probably the guy that I'm saying is the biggest impact,
30:46
Speaker 3: just because it can come from so many different places,
30:49
Speaker 3: including special teams.
30:51
Speaker 4: Including special teams. Yeah, I think if I had to
30:56
Speaker 4: bet between him and Chris and Brock, just you know,
31:00
Speaker 4: offensively don't want to like say that, and I do
31:04
Speaker 4: think Brock will get a lot of receptions. I just
31:06
Speaker 4: don't know if it'll be the wow. But I could
31:10
Speaker 4: see potentially back half of the year, Chris Henry is
31:15
Speaker 4: coming on, coming on, coming on, and then eventually somebody
31:19
Speaker 4: is sitting the bench a lot of the game and
31:21
Speaker 4: Chris is in there. And if that's the case, then
31:24
Speaker 4: I'd probably go with Henry. But this feels like such
31:28
Speaker 4: a toss up between the two of these guys, but
31:30
Speaker 4: it's one of these two is where I'd put my
31:32
Speaker 4: money if I was betting on one.
31:34
Speaker 3: It's interesting because thirty years ago, yeah, David Boston and
31:39
Speaker 3: Michael Wiley, Oh my gosh, dude, and David Boston he
31:45
Speaker 3: played as a true freshman, but then the second half
31:48
Speaker 3: of the season he was starting ahead of Buster Tillman.
31:50
Speaker 3: He took the job, finished with like thirty three catches
31:54
Speaker 3: and was, of course in that Rose Bowl. Michael Wiley
31:58
Speaker 3: playing running back at that point or atually playing wide
32:00
Speaker 3: receiver and then kind of switching to running back after that,
32:03
Speaker 3: very dynamic player. I guess you'd take you take David
32:08
Speaker 3: Boston as the most impactful freshman on offense that year.
32:12
Speaker 3: Defensively it was Andy Katsienware, but man, what a freshman class. Anyway,
32:16
Speaker 3: that's another that's another show. But yeah, I think Chris
32:20
Speaker 3: Henry watching him get better and more productive as the
32:25
Speaker 3: spring went on. You can absolutely see him doing the
32:29
Speaker 3: same thing as the season goes on. I think I
32:32
Speaker 3: think that's fair and I think, like you said, brock Boyd,
32:34
Speaker 3: I think he's just gonna be consistent and it maybe
32:37
Speaker 3: twenty five catches in maybe twelve. I don't know what
32:40
Speaker 3: it's going to be in there. I think we'll see
32:42
Speaker 3: him out there. It's just a matter of where is
32:44
Speaker 3: he in the progression, because I don't know how often
32:47
Speaker 3: he'll be that early, unless you know, when you consider
32:50
Speaker 3: all of the veterans that are going to be out
32:51
Speaker 3: there as well. Defensively, because I don't think anybody's gonna
32:56
Speaker 3: I'm not putting Sam Greer on this list or anybody
32:59
Speaker 3: on the offense slide or any of the tight ends. Defensively,
33:03
Speaker 3: I think there's a world where Jay Timmins gets involved
33:10
Speaker 3: because of various dings or injuries. In the secondary. We
33:15
Speaker 3: know that Terry Moore has dealt with injuries.
33:20
Speaker 2: We know that.
33:21
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes corners there's always somebody randomly starting at
33:24
Speaker 3: corner except for last year basically, but I know in
33:28
Speaker 3: Devin Sanchez I think started twice last year at corner.
33:30
Speaker 3: So just because of injuries, I could see Jay Timmons
33:33
Speaker 3: getting involved somewhere. Whether it's they lose one of their
33:36
Speaker 3: safeties and somebody knew that's to come in. Maybe that's
33:40
Speaker 3: the Roy Roker. But defensively, I'm thinking Jay Timmins or
33:45
Speaker 3: Carry Wilder, Like.
33:47
Speaker 4: What do you say, I've got five on my list,
33:49
Speaker 4: and I'm so going back to last year's freshman class
33:53
Speaker 4: looking at snap count, Obviously you had Bo with three
33:57
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty some. Then you had Isaiah West with
34:00
Speaker 4: one hundred and eight, Zion Grady with one hundred and four,
34:04
Speaker 4: Fahim de Layne with eighty one, Riley Pettijohn with seventy seven,
34:08
Speaker 4: Jark Quiz Carter with fifty one, And looking at next
34:15
Speaker 4: year's I think the guys that kind of slot in
34:17
Speaker 4: and I've got five guys that I think are the
34:20
Speaker 4: most likely to reach that one hundred snap mark as
34:24
Speaker 4: a freshman. And on offense it's Legend Chris Henry and
34:30
Speaker 4: Brock Boyd. On defense, it's Jay Timmins and Carry Wilder,
34:34
Speaker 4: And so I'm right there.
34:35
Speaker 2: With you with Jay, who I.
34:39
Speaker 4: Think, you know, injury or not, I think he I
34:41
Speaker 4: think he's almost a lock to reach that hundred snap mark.
34:45
Speaker 4: I think that that is just what's gonna happen with Jay,
34:48
Speaker 4: And I can't wait to see it too, because he is.
34:51
Speaker 2: Just boy and.
34:54
Speaker 4: You know, in the era of what they're looking for
34:58
Speaker 4: out of secondary players. I saw him in person for
35:02
Speaker 4: the first time at camp and I am just like
35:07
Speaker 4: I cannot believe how small he is compared to the
35:12
Speaker 4: legend that's growing around him in the film and the
35:15
Speaker 4: way he hits, it's the dude's got something, man, he
35:19
Speaker 4: has got something, and I think he's going to play early.
35:22
Speaker 4: And then I've also got Cary Wilder, who if this
35:26
Speaker 4: were a different season and you didn't have all of
35:29
Speaker 4: these different options that were older vets, I would say
35:33
Speaker 4: this guy is going to play a ton and be effective.
35:37
Speaker 4: But because there are so many options, they'll probably run
35:40
Speaker 4: through all of them first. If one or two of
35:42
Speaker 4: them that were not or maybe some are, Let's say
35:45
Speaker 4: bo Atkinson hits and he's improved, and then all of
35:50
Speaker 4: a sudden, now he's not going to get as much
35:53
Speaker 4: opportunity as maybe he might otherwise. But if he does
35:58
Speaker 4: get the opportunity, I think he could potentially take it
36:02
Speaker 4: and really be a big chunk of that rotation.
36:05
Speaker 2: Because there's there's.
36:07
Speaker 4: Not a single one of these guys in this class
36:10
Speaker 4: that I believe in more as a future first rounder
36:14
Speaker 4: than Cary Wilder.
36:16
Speaker 3: It would be interesting to see if he had been
36:19
Speaker 3: there last year what he would have done with Zion
36:22
Speaker 3: Grady snaps.
36:23
Speaker 2: That's right, right, exactly. Yeah.
36:25
Speaker 4: When I look at him and wild him and Zion Grady,
36:28
Speaker 4: Zion was really effective, different stratosphere of athlete and power
36:34
Speaker 4: like Cary is just as a notch above.
36:38
Speaker 2: Is savvy as Zion is, and he is.
36:40
Speaker 4: But not to take anything away from him, but if
36:43
Speaker 4: Cary would have had those opportunities, like you said, like,
36:45
Speaker 4: I think it would have been you know, even.
36:47
Speaker 2: To the next level.
36:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now there's just more people in front of him,
36:50
Speaker 3: including uptan Ala, who I think is going to play
36:53
Speaker 3: quite a.
36:53
Speaker 2: Bit and deserve Yeah, yes, serve it too. Yeah.
36:57
Speaker 3: I think you can also throw blam Bradford as somebody
36:59
Speaker 3: who will right have a shot. He'll be I think
37:02
Speaker 3: he'll be in the two deep. That's not unusual for
37:03
Speaker 3: safeties to be in the two deep, to be the
37:05
Speaker 3: backup to a veteran starter. But you know, overall, like
37:11
Speaker 3: the rest of those guys, I think there's some developmental guys,
37:14
Speaker 3: but also just there's there's so many guys in front
37:17
Speaker 3: of them that it's very difficult. So I think, is
37:21
Speaker 3: there anybody that we haven't touched on, because I think
37:23
Speaker 3: we pretty much have in terms of whom I am
37:25
Speaker 3: expecting to be that kind of contributor.
37:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would have been it for me. Is Blaine
37:30
Speaker 4: on there as well would have been probably next up
37:33
Speaker 4: for me. But that's about it for this class. And
37:39
Speaker 4: then I was rolling into twenty twenty seven, which you
37:45
Speaker 4: know currently includes four five stars in the class rated
37:51
Speaker 4: a five star at one of the three major services,
37:54
Speaker 4: seven top one hundred players. But a lot of them
37:56
Speaker 4: are alignment, you know what I mean? So how many
37:59
Speaker 4: do you end up with that are actually getting it playing?
38:02
Speaker 4: The two of them are offensive linemen in Kellen Weimer
38:06
Speaker 4: and Cayden Moss, and I don't ever expect lineman to
38:09
Speaker 4: get that kind of run. If Sam Greer is not
38:11
Speaker 4: going to get it, they're not going to get it either.
38:13
Speaker 4: But then when we look at the defensive lineman, that
38:17
Speaker 4: might be a little different. When we're talking about DJ
38:19
Speaker 4: Jacobs at one to one, this guy's built to play
38:24
Speaker 4: right now and he's gonna go play a senior season obviously,
38:28
Speaker 4: Marcus Fatcatuo and Wyatt Smith like, these guys all could
38:33
Speaker 4: potentially come in and contribute in a big way depending
38:36
Speaker 4: on which one of them pops like It's it's quite
38:39
Speaker 4: an exciting pair on that defensive line.
38:44
Speaker 3: And you would assume, well, Kenyana Jackson will be gone.
38:50
Speaker 3: Bo Atkinson I think now could come back. Is he
38:53
Speaker 3: a true senior this year? I thought I saw that
38:56
Speaker 3: this is it for him. He may have read shirted
38:58
Speaker 3: as a true freshman, so you would assume he would
39:01
Speaker 3: be gone. So there's going to be some room on
39:05
Speaker 3: there to make an impact on the defensive line and
39:10
Speaker 3: be impactful as a pass rusher, which Larry Johnson is
39:15
Speaker 3: okay putting those young guys in positions to where they
39:19
Speaker 3: don't have to do too much thinking and then you'll
39:21
Speaker 3: build into that ability to do something.
39:24
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't.
39:26
Speaker 3: I'm going to be fascinated to see what why a
39:27
Speaker 3: Smith looks like when he is like at this point
39:31
Speaker 3: in his freshman like heading into his freshman season, because
39:33
Speaker 3: we know there's still he can still add weight and
39:36
Speaker 3: he's going to and so he's going to show up
39:39
Speaker 3: and I guess maybe won't show up early because he's
39:43
Speaker 3: the same Thomas Aquinas, but it's going to be you know,
39:49
Speaker 3: I'll get here in June. I would assume then and
39:52
Speaker 3: hit the weights right away. But also I'm going to
39:54
Speaker 3: assume he's also going to be like not staying away
39:58
Speaker 3: from them beforehand, so he's Ohio State will give him
40:01
Speaker 3: a plan, and he's just got such a good frame.
40:05
Speaker 3: And you can say the same thing about DJ Jacobs
40:07
Speaker 3: as well. And Marcus Fakato. It was like six six
40:12
Speaker 3: two eighty and looks like, you know, he's kind of skinny,
40:14
Speaker 3: you know, you can put some weight on. There's just
40:16
Speaker 3: some really interesting frames on those guys that you wonder
40:21
Speaker 3: like how quickly will they be able to play at
40:23
Speaker 3: their their new weight and things like that. But any
40:27
Speaker 3: of those three you could be like, I think that guy's.
40:29
Speaker 2: Going to play Tony.
40:31
Speaker 4: When you look at those three and Carrie Wilder, the
40:35
Speaker 4: three interior guys in twenty twenty six of Jamia perez Da,
40:43
Speaker 4: Maris Simeon and Emmanuel Ruffin, potentially Carlos may On the eighteenth,
40:47
Speaker 4: you're looking at eight guys that is maybe the most
40:52
Speaker 4: exciting eight man crew in two years on the defensive
40:55
Speaker 4: line we've ever seen. I mean this, there's so many
40:59
Speaker 4: guys here that, yeah, I could see that guy popping
41:01
Speaker 4: and being a first rounder at some point. I mean,
41:03
Speaker 4: they're just I cannot wait to see these guys' careers
41:08
Speaker 4: on you know, paying out because it's just amazing and
41:12
Speaker 4: we're talking about some top tier, ridiculous talent. I think
41:16
Speaker 4: Wyatt Smith is gonna have a season as a senior
41:19
Speaker 4: even better and finish a five star. It's top one
41:22
Speaker 4: hundred now. I think they're coming in three five star edges.
41:25
Speaker 4: I think that's what's about to happen here. It's gonna
41:27
Speaker 4: be insane.
41:29
Speaker 3: And not to look too far into the future, but
41:30
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty eight, Aiden Navili, the defensive tackle out
41:34
Speaker 3: of Washington, was I think the best. I had the
41:37
Speaker 3: best overall performance of anybody I saw at camp last month.
41:40
Speaker 3: He was quick and strong and listening to like six'.
41:45
Speaker 3: Two he said he's three twenty and wants to arrive
41:47
Speaker 3: at three hundred so that he can put the the
41:49
Speaker 3: other twenty back on correctly wherever he ends.
41:52
Speaker 2: Up you know, What i'm.
41:53
Speaker 3: Smamish, yeah he Is East Side, catholic just like J
41:56
Speaker 3: T twomlowhaw And JETS. G scott just really. Man just
42:00
Speaker 3: he was doing their one on. Ones there will be
42:04
Speaker 3: times that nobody could touch, him like literally it did
42:06
Speaker 3: not get a hand on, him and you're not supposed
42:08
Speaker 3: to move like, that and and he. Did and talking
42:12
Speaker 3: to him, Afterwards he's, like, YEAH i like to use my,
42:14
Speaker 3: speed my, quickness and you KNOW i can use my,
42:16
Speaker 3: power But i'd rather just get Away scott free, Basically
42:20
Speaker 3: and and he did. It but that's that's a little
42:23
Speaker 3: further out to the. Future Jamiir. BROWN i think IT'S
42:29
Speaker 3: i want to see more this, year AND i want
42:31
Speaker 3: to see what he looks like in terms of just
42:34
Speaker 3: a more refined receiver rather than a track athlete playing.
42:39
Speaker 3: Football AND i AND i plan on seeing him several
42:44
Speaker 3: times this, year WON'T i won't live be won't be
42:45
Speaker 3: living too far away from from his, games and see
42:49
Speaker 3: how that maybe can translate to next. YEAR i just
42:52
Speaker 3: at this, POINT i think they've done The Cortez hikting
42:55
Speaker 3: has done a good enough job with the, recruiting and
42:59
Speaker 3: you don't necessarily know That Brandon ennis And Kyle parker
43:02
Speaker 3: are leaving next, year SO i don't know that he
43:04
Speaker 3: can have too much of an impact next. Year even
43:08
Speaker 3: though that, speed you got to figure out if you
43:11
Speaker 3: can use, it, like can can he help? Us that's
43:14
Speaker 3: what the coach has got to be asking next.
43:15
Speaker 4: Year So i'm with, you and you and you're train
43:19
Speaker 4: of thought that and he has gotten, better certainly as
43:23
Speaker 4: a wide, receiver but it is he's got a ways to.
43:26
Speaker 4: Go he's not coming in Like Chris henry or Brock
43:30
Speaker 4: boyd or Dre Quadon. Guildford YOU i don't think he's
43:32
Speaker 4: coming in quite as refined as any of those. Guys
43:35
Speaker 4: and maybe he's like a year year behind in. Development
43:38
Speaker 4: put it that, Way probably a year behind in wide receiver.
43:41
Speaker 4: Development but if you can find ways to get him
43:45
Speaker 4: the ball a little and you, know different ways potentially
43:49
Speaker 4: utilize him like, that but you also kind of have
43:52
Speaker 4: legend for.
43:53
Speaker 2: That so how much you?
43:54
Speaker 4: Know i'm not seeing him at this point playing A
43:57
Speaker 4: ton as a. Freshman of, course his senior year could
44:00
Speaker 4: change your mind for, Sure but at this, point.
44:05
Speaker 2: It just feels like he's.
44:08
Speaker 4: A lot of camps this, summer a lot of camps
44:11
Speaker 4: where he was the top wide receiver going into the,
44:13
Speaker 4: camp and then you'd read notes coming out and there's
44:16
Speaker 4: nothing About.
44:16
Speaker 2: Jimir and it's just like what's going on?
44:18
Speaker 4: Here so a little bit disappointing on that, end but
44:23
Speaker 4: certainly not a GUY i would be concerned about at.
44:26
Speaker 4: ALL i think he hits that five star ceiling for.
44:28
Speaker 4: Sure it's just gonna take a little.
44:29
Speaker 3: Bit watching the seven on seven. STUFF i think one
44:34
Speaker 3: of the reasons we didn't hear much about him is
44:35
Speaker 3: because quarterbacks weren't throwing him the. Ball that was an
44:39
Speaker 3: issue on one of the DAYS i was. Watching so
44:44
Speaker 3: there are still you, know what about a name jack
44:48
Speaker 3: of somebody who's not committed at this point that could. Commit,
44:52
Speaker 3: SAY i don't, know in like two, weeks a little
44:56
Speaker 3: over two. Weeks what kind of impact do you Think
44:59
Speaker 3: David Gabriel george could have on this team in twenty twenty.
45:03
Speaker 4: SEVEN i think his impact could be just. ENORMOUS i
45:08
Speaker 4: think he could eventually start taking THE i mean at
45:15
Speaker 4: least half the, carries. RIGHT i, mean let's, say for,
45:19
Speaker 4: instance you've Got bo And isaiah in year, three And
45:25
Speaker 4: i'm of the opinion that we're going to See isaiah
45:26
Speaker 4: take on a little more of that workload this. Year
45:29
Speaker 4: so they kind of walk in as you're presumed two
45:32
Speaker 4: pack in twenty twenty seven with the Freshman David Gabriel,
45:36
Speaker 4: george and he comes in and he is the guy
45:39
Speaker 4: that everybody thinks he. Is he's gonna start working his
45:43
Speaker 4: way in more and more and getting more and more.
45:45
Speaker 4: Carries and by the end of the, year maybe he's
45:49
Speaker 4: part of that two, pack or maybe he becomes the lead.
45:52
Speaker 4: Man if you, feel and obviously they do that he
45:56
Speaker 4: is that transcendent of a. Guy they would not have
45:59
Speaker 4: done everything thing they've done to try to get him,
46:01
Speaker 4: in like they believe that he is that transcendent of a,
46:03
Speaker 4: guy a guy who can walk in and say to
46:06
Speaker 4: your really good, Backs i'm a, Little i'm a little
46:10
Speaker 4: on a different level here and be that. Quickly he's
46:13
Speaker 4: already as big as, Them he's already faster than. Them
46:18
Speaker 4: he's got everything you, need like there's no and it's running.
46:21
Speaker 4: Back you, know, like, YEAH i think he could be
46:24
Speaker 4: super impactful In You're, One BUT i also personally have
46:28
Speaker 4: a lot of faith in those. Two but neither of
46:33
Speaker 4: them have that game break ability THAT dgg.
46:37
Speaker 3: Brings he's just. Got some of his highlights are like
46:43
Speaker 3: this looks? Fake is this A i he's. Fighting it's
46:47
Speaker 3: like he's in a street fight and he's fighting off
46:49
Speaker 3: a bunch of people trying to take the football from.
46:51
Speaker 3: Him and then he runs and he's like burst out
46:54
Speaker 3: of an alley after winning a fight over six, dudes
46:57
Speaker 3: and then you, know goes and scores a, touchdown and
46:59
Speaker 3: there's like the local bodega is on fire and he
47:02
Speaker 3: puts out a fire and he's just doing all of
47:03
Speaker 3: these different things and the rest are just letting it all.
47:07
Speaker 3: Go and like this guy's got a, knife but it
47:09
Speaker 3: doesn't matter because what's a knife going to do TO?
47:12
Speaker 3: Dgg so, yeah, yeah it's he's he's got something. Special
47:18
Speaker 3: the idea that he would come in and the and
47:23
Speaker 3: be a, CONTRIBUTOR i think is, yes that's why we're
47:25
Speaker 3: talking about. Him they don't need him to be a
47:28
Speaker 3: thousand yard they don't need him to be eight hundred
47:30
Speaker 3: yards BECAUSE i think it's going to be hard to
47:34
Speaker 3: not keep giving the ball To Bo jackson And Isaiah.
47:37
Speaker 3: West and, frankly when we talk About Legend, bay Like
47:40
Speaker 3: Legend bay is his own. Thing there's always going to
47:42
Speaker 3: be a carve out for, Him so don't we're not
47:47
Speaker 3: dismissing him at. All there's just like he's got his own.
47:49
Speaker 3: Thing it's almost like he's his own. Position he's The legend.
47:52
Speaker 3: Position don't worry about, him you, know losing carries or.
47:54
Speaker 3: Whatever but with with What i'm expecting to see from
47:59
Speaker 3: Both Jackson Isaiah west you'd look at them this year
48:02
Speaker 3: and be, like you'd be crazy to like take a
48:06
Speaker 3: bunch of carries away from. Them but the thing, is
48:09
Speaker 3: if they do Sign David Gabriel george and he, does
48:13
Speaker 3: he will, play and then it's just up to him
48:17
Speaker 3: to keep. Playing this isn't anything That Carlos lachlan's going
48:20
Speaker 3: to give to. Anybody we talked About Legend. Bay Legend
48:23
Speaker 3: bay isn't going to be given. Anything he's going to earn,
48:26
Speaker 3: It he's going to take, it and then they'll just
48:27
Speaker 3: continue to give him the. Ball Bo jackson he earned
48:31
Speaker 3: that job last year after he didn't play Against texas
48:34
Speaker 3: and the season, opener and then continue to get better
48:37
Speaker 3: and better and they could trust. Him Isaiah west didn't play,
48:40
Speaker 3: early then started to, play finished with over three hundred yards.
48:43
Speaker 3: Rushing the more that you, show the more that you'll
48:48
Speaker 3: get the. Ball and that just makes everybody that much
48:53
Speaker 3: like the idea That David Gabriel. George if You're Bo
48:57
Speaker 3: jackson And Isaiah west and you see him come, IN
49:00
Speaker 3: i think you're just gonna stand by and like not
49:01
Speaker 3: work on your, game or you're gonna be like taking
49:04
Speaker 3: this in. Stride they're gonna be fighting like count to
49:07
Speaker 3: make sure that they keep the. Ball but also they're
49:10
Speaker 3: fine sharing as well because they know that this is a,
49:13
Speaker 3: long long.
49:15
Speaker 4: Season, absolutely and when it comes to running, BACK i
49:20
Speaker 4: almost assume you're gonna have at least one. Injury like
49:25
Speaker 4: it's almost like the assumption, anymore particularly if you you
49:28
Speaker 4: know you gotta go sixteen to seventeen games to win
49:30
Speaker 4: a national, Championship so then you're, assuming all, right, well
49:34
Speaker 4: now he's in the two deep in the running back
49:36
Speaker 4: room because like you, KNOW i, DON'T i. DON'T i
49:39
Speaker 4: don't care If turbo ends up sticking around or. Not
49:42
Speaker 4: he's not holding him. Back that's not. Happening favors not
49:46
Speaker 4: holding him back LIKE i, mean he's walking in his five,
49:48
Speaker 4: eleven two, twenty squatting six hundred, pounds benching four hundred. Pounds,
49:54
Speaker 4: Uh it's just it's something. Special it's coming down to.
49:58
Speaker 4: It tone, obviously this this is actually my show tomorrow
50:02
Speaker 4: is about what we just.
50:04
Speaker 2: Saw the experts did a big, poll nine, deep and
50:09
Speaker 2: they were.
50:10
Speaker 4: Picking Ohio state Or, tennessee and six of the nine
50:15
Speaker 4: Chose Ohio. State and it just feels like such a
50:20
Speaker 4: coin flip at this point until what happens in that
50:24
Speaker 4: very last twenty four, hours, right we don't. Know we
50:29
Speaker 4: don't know If tennessee is holding off on you know
50:33
Speaker 4: where we're waiting to push this in at the very last,
50:35
Speaker 4: minute something that will really, change to change the whole
50:39
Speaker 4: tenor of.
50:39
Speaker 2: It and we just don't, know, man we just don't.
50:42
Speaker 2: KNOW i can't wait for it to be over. With.
50:44
Speaker 4: Though the unfortunate thing is when we look at this freshman,
50:49
Speaker 4: class This Ohio state class of twenty, seven that they
50:52
Speaker 4: put together with the single best collection of offensive in
50:56
Speaker 4: defensive lineman that we've seen in the modern recruiting, ERA
51:00
Speaker 4: i think so many are looking at it through the
51:02
Speaker 4: prism of whether or not they. Win FOR dgg as
51:05
Speaker 4: a past fail. Basis if they don't get, them it's a,
51:08
Speaker 4: fail not just FOR, dgg WHICH i agree that would
51:12
Speaker 4: be a, fail but for the. Class AND i think
51:15
Speaker 4: the class because of where they're, adding because of how
51:19
Speaker 4: much they needed, that you, know this infusion of talent
51:22
Speaker 4: in the trenches to play this style of Football Ryan
51:24
Speaker 4: day wants to play because of. That it's an absolute,
51:27
Speaker 4: winner it's a total, winner AND dgg to me is all.
51:31
Speaker 4: Upside it's not like you're losing out a. TON i
51:35
Speaker 4: still like the running back room without.
51:36
Speaker 2: Him you get, him it's a huge.
51:38
Speaker 4: Upside BUT i think a lot of people are going
51:41
Speaker 4: to really crap on, it which is going to. Suck
51:44
Speaker 4: but they've really set it up to look like this
51:47
Speaker 4: because they have gone so, hard so all, in and
51:51
Speaker 4: ignored every other option along the.
51:53
Speaker 3: Way, yeah and they've said no thanks to other. Options
51:56
Speaker 3: they've had to, say go go.
52:00
Speaker 2: Enjoy your life.
52:01
Speaker 3: Somewhere, yeah that sort of. Thing and and yet the
52:07
Speaker 3: if you could have one or the, other a huge
52:10
Speaker 3: offensive line or a huge line of scrimmage hall or
52:14
Speaker 3: a top two running, back you're crazy to go with
52:18
Speaker 3: the skill. PLAYER i, Mean i've seen a ton of
52:20
Speaker 3: blowback or just criticism on social media or just the
52:24
Speaker 3: idea of always signing these talented wide receivers and ignoring the.
52:29
Speaker 3: Trenches and, now so if they go and focus on
52:32
Speaker 3: the trenches but don't land a running back that they
52:35
Speaker 3: don't necessarily, need then somehow they've failed this recruiting. Class
52:41
Speaker 3: but as we all, know it's once they're, in they're forgotten,
52:45
Speaker 3: about and you've already just you've moved on to the next.
52:48
Speaker 3: Thing the next past fail and if you fail, that
52:52
Speaker 3: then you've failed. Everything so you, KNOW i again we've
52:56
Speaker 3: talked about it in the previous. SHOW i don't Think
52:59
Speaker 3: David Gabriel george is a must. GET i think he's
53:02
Speaker 3: a sure. Thing and those are two very different. Things,
53:06
Speaker 3: yeah totally.
53:07
Speaker 4: Agree sure thing a guy who can you, know potentially
53:12
Speaker 4: be that difference maker LIKE jj. Was but if you
53:14
Speaker 4: didn't GET, jj you had A Mecca, buka you Had Carnal.
53:17
Speaker 4: Tate you were. Good you, know you were good at the.
53:20
Speaker 4: Position you just got a whole lot better when you
53:23
Speaker 4: brought him. In they don't win a national championship, though Without. Jeremiah,
53:29
Speaker 4: well that's my contention for you absolutely push your chips
53:32
Speaker 4: in when you get an opportunity to get a guy
53:33
Speaker 4: that you believe is that caliber a. Kid absolutely, SO
53:37
Speaker 4: i totally agree with what they've.
53:39
Speaker 2: Done you just have to. Win that's. It we both agree.
53:42
Speaker 2: There you have to.
53:42
Speaker 3: Win and as we've said, before at some, point you've
53:46
Speaker 3: got to show the rest of the, world the college football,
53:48
Speaker 3: world that you're not just going to let somebody come
53:51
Speaker 3: in at the end and outbid you by a couple
53:54
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars and if the final asking price is
53:59
Speaker 3: one million dollars a, year and this is not my,
54:01
Speaker 3: money but the idea Of Ohio state walking away from
54:05
Speaker 3: a sure thing that they're comfortable with because of you, know,
54:09
Speaker 3: say one hundred and fifty thousand, dollars when the kind
54:12
Speaker 3: of money that we're talking about over the course of a,
54:15
Speaker 3: year or what a national championship could, bring or What
54:18
Speaker 3: Jeremiah smith brought he's making more than a million? Dollars
54:21
Speaker 3: was that a bad? Investment, no. Sore there's some things
54:24
Speaker 3: that they have to. Weigh where's he more likely to
54:27
Speaker 3: win a national Championship Ohio state Or. Tennessee we could
54:31
Speaker 3: argue for days about that. One in terms of the nine,
54:37
Speaker 3: experts it was a little disappointing that they didn't get
54:39
Speaker 3: an old miss expert in there to, say old miss
54:43
Speaker 3: just to have a third hat on the. Table, well
54:46
Speaker 3: they did.
54:47
Speaker 4: Get Pete nakos in, There tony to, say he doesn't
54:50
Speaker 4: know anything about, it but he's Picking tennessee because they
54:53
Speaker 4: have the bigger, offer and usually guys go with the bigger.
54:56
Speaker 4: Offer thank you for your insight, There.
54:58
Speaker 3: Peter is he? Wrong it's not? Wrong so, yeah, boy
55:05
Speaker 3: it's gonna be. ONE i think all of The ohio
55:08
Speaker 3: state YouTube internet will be live online that day watching
55:13
Speaker 3: that and reacting and it's been, wait when was when
55:21
Speaker 3: was the last one like? This because The Jeremiah smith
55:23
Speaker 3: thing was signing, day so you couldn't really watch a
55:26
Speaker 3: Long you're just waiting to Hear.
55:28
Speaker 4: David sanders for two years was my record live. Show
55:34
Speaker 4: that one was, enormous like everybody was tuned in on,
55:38
Speaker 4: that and that was the last one that was that.
55:42
Speaker 4: Big that one was just all eyes on, that like All,
55:47
Speaker 4: tennessee All ohio state and, surprising right like we're talking.
55:52
Speaker 4: ABOUT i think we've had some relatively big ones since
55:55
Speaker 4: then where we knew they were announcing ahead of time.
55:57
Speaker 2: And didn't really know what we hit. It we just
56:01
Speaker 2: recently had one pretty pretty dog on, big but none
56:06
Speaker 2: none like.
56:06
Speaker 4: That this one will will we'll trumpet for. SURE i
56:10
Speaker 4: think this will be the. First like If Trell pryor
56:13
Speaker 4: was post, YouTube here we, go, right yeah YouTube Are Treill? Prior,
56:18
Speaker 4: YEAH i think that'll be and that would have you,
56:24
Speaker 4: know you would Ad Ohio, State, Michigan West virginia fans
56:26
Speaker 4: all all in on.
56:27
Speaker 2: That this.
56:27
Speaker 3: ONE i don't know the old mess is really although
56:31
Speaker 3: maybe they're just waiting to see what the number. Is
56:35
Speaker 3: they've been known to pull some pull some. Stuff so
56:40
Speaker 3: there you. Go freshman. Seasons we're talking about it as,
56:45
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56:49
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56:52
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56:54
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56:57
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