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The age of ‘make-believe’ is over · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Hello, this is Todd Royal.
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  I'm the host of Geopower Energy and Real Politics.
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  And a really interesting show today.
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  But uh I want to start off with just some news items first, and then we're going to get into a probably the best piece I've ever heard on nuclear power.
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  Why it's not taken off in America, what's happened, why it's essentially the greatest thing that we could be using.
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  Dunberg was on last week, and he's always said about nuclear power.
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  If aliens came down to Earth, they would look at us and go, why aren't you using uranium?
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  Why, why isn't all of your electricity coming from this?
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  And typically the things you hear is about, oh, it's too expensive up front.
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  These are all political choices, and the article I'm going to read to you makes a great case for that.
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  But a couple things, though, first.
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  Um, number one, an Israeli report from something called a 300-page report by the Civil Commission on the October 7th crimes by Hamas against women and children.
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  Um, it builds on prior investigations, including by the UN, and it talks about the full scale of sexual violence perpetrated during the assault and against the hostage during the insuring war in the Gaza Strip.
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  It follows a two-year independent investigation.
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  The civil commission, it concluded that sexual and gender-based violence was systematic, widespread, and integral to the October 7th attacks and their aftermath.
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  Uh, the body was created uh in November of 23 by an Israeli legal expert.
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  And essentially I'm saying this because you hear obviously all the things about uh the Palestinians, you hear about the mayor of New York's wife has liked post that these things happen to.
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  Um I would say it also goes against why you don't do widespread immigration, because the people who voted for Mondami are the people who believe in these things.
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  But here's what this this Israeli legal expert wrote in this civil commission across multiple locations and phases of the assault, including during abduction, transfer, captivity.
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  Hamas and its collaborators, that's remember, this is Iran.
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  We've talked about this.
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  Iran is the main funder of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis.
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  So anybody says we're attacking poor little Iran, we're not packed.
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  This is who they created.
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  Hamas and its collaborators deployed recurring tactics of sexual abuse and torture against victims.
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  These crimes are marked by extreme cruelty and profound human suffering, often inflicted in ways designed to amplify terror and humiliation.
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  This is Nazi like.
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  These are Nazis.
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  Remember this.
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  Iran is a Nazi regime.
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  I don't put these things around lightly, but we have Nazis running around our world right now.
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  Um, just because they don't believe in the Aryan race and they're not Caucasian does not mean they do not believe in the same Nazi ideology.
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  Investigators said they used material from a wide range of locations, including residential communities, the Nova music festival grounds, and surrounding areas, roads and shelters, and military installations and facilities used to identify victims' bodies.
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  The report draws on extensive factual documentation, including original film survivor and witness testimonies, interviews, photographs, videos, official records, and other primary materials from the attack sites.
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  Um the New York Times published an investigation and what it said was widespread sexual violence.
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  Um yeah, just it's it's unbelievable.
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  Um whenever you hear, you know, fools like Javier Bardem, you are a fool, unbelievably talented actor, but an unbelievable fool.
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  No wisdom, the man should not be listened to.
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  But frankly, the man should be thrown in jail.
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  And anybody right now in Los Angeles or Hollywood that promotes any of this stuff.
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  And I would say too, if Jews are voting for this, then you are your own worst enemy.
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  And let me say this.
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  Um, yeah, you're your own worst enemy.
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  You're voting for Mamdami, if you're voting for the Democratic Party, you're voting for AOC, you are voting for Iran, Hamas, you're voting for anti-Semitism.
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  Um the report was uh the commission said it conducted more than 430 formal and informal interviews, testimonial sessions, and meetings with survivors, witnesses, returned hostages, experts, and family members.
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  Sexual sexualized torture persisted during captivity in Gaza for prolonged periods.
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  In some cases, the sexual and gender-based abuse of hostages continued for months.
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  Um, the conclusion is unequivocal.
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  Sexual and gender-based violence formed a central component of the October 7th attack and of hostages captivity.
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  Um, the civil commission's findings conclude these crimes constitute war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocidal acts under international law.
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  What I would say is the IDF should flatten all of Gaza and everybody in it.
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  You should do biblical old testament that every single thing you eliminate.
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  This is an ideology that is spread there.
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  There's discussions, and you can read the report where fathers and sons were raping women and then beheading them, killing them, um, cutting off sexual organs, putting things into genitalia of men and women, but mainly women.
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  Uh, men were also raped viciously.
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  These are animals.
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  They deserve to be, they deserve to die.
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  Bullets in the head.
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  It's harsh to say, but it's simply the truth.
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  What I would hope for Gaza would be what it once was.
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  Uh go read Arafat's war.
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  Uh please leave the Jones names, Ilian Hirsch.
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  At one point, Gaza had more PhDs in universities than Israel did until Yasser Arafat.
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  And that malicious, disgusting ELL PLO movement took over.
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  And now it's been continued by Hamas and realize that people voted for this.
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  They voted for it.
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  They've allowed such hatred in their hearts.
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  Same way Nazis have hatred to Jews, the same way Iranians have hatred, seemingly, at least the fanatics do.
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  And let me say too, this whole thing well, oh, there's a difference in the government and the people.
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  I'm sorry.
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  You live there.
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  Do something about it.
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  Do something about it.
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  Not saying it's going to be easy, not saying anything.
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  Not saying it's going to be easy, not saying anything.
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  If you want to change the fanatics who run Iran, Iranians, then go do something about it.
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  If you want to change the fanatics who run Iran, Iranians, then go do something about it.
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  Yes, there will likely be horrible bloodshed and families will be deeply impacted, but your government and your people are doing this.
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  Yes, there will likely be horrible bloodshed and families will be deeply impacted, but your government and your people are doing this.
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  The one thing you can always say about the American revolution is those people, our forefathers said enough is enough.
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  The one thing you can always say about the American revolution is those people, our forefathers said enough is enough.
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  And they took matters into their own hands.
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  And they took matters into their own hands.
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  This is not going to end anytime soon.
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  And anybody thinks it's going to end.
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  Um you're talking about.
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  Senators of both US uh political parties have seen video footage, and you can look it up.
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  All were sick to their stomach.
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  It is unbelievable.
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  I want to move into energy now because we a gentleman named Nathan Hammer, does a really good job, has a substack called hammer and anvil.
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  And he talks about what's actually inside an oil tank battery, and it's not what you think.
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  In other words, you hear these this phraseology now, all of the above.
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  That's a dumb phrase.
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  Um, it should be what works.
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  You then hear things like, oh, now that they ran war and oil is so high, which it's not actually that high relative to gold or it's it's not it's not that high.
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  Oh, you should just use renewables and also renewables are so safe and oil isn't.
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  Well, Mr.
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  Hammer does a great job.
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  Um, he talks about something called a tank battery, how you store oil.
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  And so this this tank battery has steel tanks, pipes, and fencings.
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  And so people go, oh my God, this is gonna be the worst thing ever.
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  And you have environmentalists and you have you have typically a lot of baby boomers.
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  Um, obviously, when you see polling, it's much more Democrats than Republicans.
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  But typically you have boomers who really get against this, or kind of the young in universities who are don't have the wisdom to understand what they're what they're chanting or saying, and then you have professors who are fully protected in a university setting and have no idea where anything comes from or how it's made.
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  People that go against this, you know, global warming, climate change.
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  Those are that's how you do this.
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  I'm gonna put in the show notes.
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  He talks about um, he goes, when you look at a tank battery, he calls it a cluster of above ground storage tanks where crude oil is held temporarily after reduction.
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  So these things are at well sites, and you'll see them like call like a big tank, or sometimes it'll look like a water tower.
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  And you'll see various pipes and valves, and he's like, you know, it's a gathering facilities, and then there's terminals across the country.
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  What he what he really says is he goes, these are not unregulated, they're not unmonitored, and they are not left to chance.
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  Remember, there is no regulations for proper disposal of solar panels or wind turbines.
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  None.
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  What's so false about people like Gavin Newsom and AOC who say, hey, you can run your entire electrical grid or Mark Z.
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  Jacobson, the professor from Stanford, who's widely quoted, and they'll be against fossil fuels.
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  Remember, a fossil fuel is the most regulated thing you can have out outside of nuclear power.
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  So here's what he talks about.
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  He talks about he says there's eight different layers.
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  So when you hear this nonsense about, oh, we should use renewables because they're safer, nothing could be farther from the truth.
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  Ask somebody, go, is there is anything in place legally or from a regulatory standard that says when I take down that solar panel wind turbine, what happens to it?
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  What happens if it breaks?
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  What happens if a solar panel breaks, let's say, because a tornado?
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  Because they do.
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  And you have to bring out the EPA because there is no regulations for it.
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  It's toxic chemicals are coming out of that.
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  Go look at what's in a wind turbine.
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  We've talked about this before.
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  It's everything from balsa woods to resins to polymers, rare earth metals and minerals.
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  Those things break, there's no regulation that says it can't go into the ground or to groundwater.
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  But listen to this with these storage tanks.
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  He goes, layer one, the permits before a drop of oil goes in.
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  You have to have a spill prevention control and countermeasure plan.
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  It's federally mandated.
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  Uh, on top of that, you need air quality permits under the Clean Air Act to govern the vapor control systems.
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  And state-issued oil permits cover tank inventory, drainage controls, and site compliance.
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  And then you have to have a storm water management permit to ensure that any runoff rainwater interacting with the facility is captured and handled properly.
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  That's four separate regulatory frameworks that's minimum before operations begin.
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  I can assure you, I've written a book on this called Clean Energy Exploitations.
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  Solar panels, wind turbine, wind turbines, electric vehicles, and battery energy storage systems at grid scale, storage systems have none of this.
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  Then you have vapor controls.
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  And he says the pipes aren't just pipes.
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  So you have overhead pipe manifolds on top of the tanks.
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  That's part of a closed vent systems.
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  He goes, tanks breathe.
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  If they're left uncontrolled, they do these things, they produce primarily volatile, volatile organic compounds with vent to the atmosphere.
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  So the closed vent system doesn't let that happen.
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  And it's got a 95 to 98% or higher uh control efficiency system to capture all this.
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  And remember, these atmospheric emissions are captured or eliminated.
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  Um, and I would say that some people tell the they try to use it.
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  You're trying to recover that to make it into a usable product.
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  I have a friend who's in a hedge fund that they have oil and gas wells, and he tells me, he goes, we do not like anything that's in our well, we will use.
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  And I made the joke.
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  I said, Oh, it's a little bit like uh Upton Sinclair's the jungle, who talks about you know the slaughterhouses and how they would use the hoofs they used to.
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  He goes, absolutely.
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  He goes, anything that we layer or get rid of, he goes, that's lost revenue.
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  He goes, we put more environmental controls than anything on earth because we're trying to capture everything and use it.
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  That's not happening with renewables.
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  That's not happening with renewables.
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  Layer three, the secondary containment, there's a wall around everything.
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  Layer three, the secondary containment, there's a wall around everything.
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  What this wall is, the math behind it accounts for the displacement of tanks, piping, and equipment inside the dike inside the facility.
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  What this wall is, the math behind it accounts for the displacement of tanks, typing and equipment inside the dike inside the facility.
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  It also incorporates freeboard for a worse case rain event, specifically the volume of a 25 year 24 hour storm for that geographic location engineered.
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  It also incorporates freeboard for a worst case rain event, specifically the volume of a 25 year, 24 hour storm for that geographic location engineered.
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  So the site itself is engineering.
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  So the site itself is engineered to hold a quarter century rainfall event at a minimum.
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  The meaning is if the largest tank released its entire contents and it was simultaneously raining harder than almost any storm that location has seen in a quarter century.
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  Everything stays inside the containment.
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  It doesn't reach the soil.
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  It doesn't reach the groundwater.
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  It stays on site on containment until it is cleaned up.
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  Folks, that's not the case for a wind turbine.
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  That's not the case for a storage system when those things obviously catch on fire, which they do.
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  It's not the case for an electric vehicle, and it sure as heck isn't the case for a solar panel.
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  One of the reasons I'm so adamantly against solar panels, wind turbines, and storage systems is they have hardly any regulations for when they screw up, when they mess up.
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  And those things are just left to rot.
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  And they are left to ruin environments, take up too much land, kill grids, but on top of it, if something happens to them, the people around there, I would tell you you should evacuate immediately.
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  Layer four, transport, transfer controls.
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  These things actually even have a drip pan to it.
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  Any drips or minor releases from any of these storage tanks, if it happens, are captured immediately and directed into the secondary container containment system.
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  It's a very simple yet effective control system.
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  Layer five.
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  It has mechanical integrity.
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  Solar panels and wind turbines do not have this.
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  Tanks don't last forever.
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  Regulators know it.
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  Above ground storage tanks are subject to a periodic inspection under API 653, the industry standard for in-service tank assessment.
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  These inspections will use visuals examination, ultrasonic testing, and other non-destructive measures to measure wall thickness, corrosion rates, and weld integrity.
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  Nuclear power does a lot of the same thing.
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  The goal is to find problems before they come failures.
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  Issues identified early, get repaired.
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  A solar panel, a wind turbine does not have that.
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  They are built, they're put on, they're put on place to destroy grids, which is what they do, but no one inspects them.
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  No one says, are they faulty?
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  Nothing.
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  You'll take them down because you want a tax break, and that's that's a whole other episode.
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  You can get a tax break when you particularly turbines when you take them down and put up brand new ones.
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  But ask somebody when that is taken down, what do you do with it?
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  What about if blades fly off, which they do?
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  Are these things catch on fire?
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  Did anybody inspect it beforehand?
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  The answer is no.
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  There's multiple alarms, not when federal regulations require high level alarms integrated into the overfill prevention system.
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  Think about that.
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  Now I have an alarm to say, so I capture all the water, I have a drip system for all the water, I inspect the tank, but then if all that doesn't work, I have an alarm on the tank itself.
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  Um there's predetermined levels, the system will activate audible and visual alarms and send operators notifications via text alerts or control room displays.
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  Amazing.
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  And if all that wasn't enough, we have something in our modern system piping, water system, sewage, um, traffic management control systems.
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  They're called SCADA systems.
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  It stands for supervisory control and data acquisitions.
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  And what it does, it provides continuous real-time data on these things on whether it's a stoplight, in this case, um, on the tank volumes, the flow rates, and the operational conditions.
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  So I have to build it better than anything.
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  I have to contain it better than anything.
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  I have to have a drip system for it, I have to X-ray it.
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  Um, and then I have storm water systems, clean air permits, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Oh, and then it's monitored by a SCADA system.
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  That's five, six, seven layers.
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  And then remember it has physical, physical security.
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  Now, someone can make the argument, someone just got over the physical security uh at an airline and ran into a frontier air uh airlines plane.
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  A mentally disturbed person did that.
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  And they almost killed a bunch of people besides himself in the process.
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  Okay.
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  Well, you can make the argument, maybe it's not enough.
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  And you can make that argument.
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  But listen to the physical security of this.
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  The perimeter has a chain link fence topped with barbed wire, and I get it, you can get over that, get a piece of carpet, put it on top of it with lighting for visibility and a locked gate controlling side access.
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  During non-operational periods, loading and unloading pipes are secured with locks, keeps out vandalism, theft, and accidental interference, each of which could otherwise affect tank integrity in ways that sensors and alarms would catch, but that nobody wants to deal with in the first place.
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  So here's what it is.
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  And I think Mr.
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  Hammer for this.
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  And I'm going to quote him.
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  He goes, What's the point?
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  Eight layers of protection for regulatory frameworks, engineered containment, real-time monitoring, mandatory, mandatory inspections, emission controls running at 95 plus efficiency.
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  That's what a compliant tank battery, a storage system is.
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  I can assure you, a battery energy storage system at grid scale.
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  I have done a value chain study on these.
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  I've studied companies and where they're located, and all the things of a value chain study.
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  The regulations are not there for battery energy storage systems at grid scale.
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  They're not even close to the point of storage that is here for oil.
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  In other words, sure, the industry is a perfect no industry is, but the gap, I'm gonna quote him, the gap between public perception and operational reality, and something as basic as oil storage is wide enough to drive a tanker through.
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  A tank or through.
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  Um, this is not a rusty barrel.
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  This is not a rusty barrel.
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  This is not a ticking environmental time bomb.
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  This is not a ticking environmental time bomb.
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  It is a highly regulated, according to Mr.
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  It is a highly regulated, according to Mr.
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  Mr.
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  Mr.
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  Hammer, a highly regulated multibarrier system designed and legally required to prevent, detect, and respond to anything that might go wrong.
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  Hammer, a highly regulated multi barrier system designed and legally required to prevent, detect, and respond to anything that might go wrong.
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  And you should know about Mr.
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  And you should know about Mr.
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  Hammer.
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  Hammer.
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  He has 18 years of field experience across 29 states and regulated industrial environments.
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  He has 18 years of field experience across 29 states and regulated industrial environments.
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  Mr.
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  Mr.
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  Hammer writes about compliance operations and the real mechanics of the industry industry, the mechanics of the energy industry at Nathanhammer.substack.com.
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  Hammer writes about compliance operations and the real mechanics of the industry.
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  I highly recommend you go to Mr.
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  Hammer Substock.
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  He does articles like this all the time.
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  Great job, Mr.
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  Hammer.
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  Know that you have a fan who went who went down your um, who went down your article.
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  Um, I think you've done an absolutely uh heck of a job.
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  So good job.
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  Um again, I'm a big, big, big, big big fan.
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  The next thing, and what we're going to spend the rest, the rest of the show on is this.
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  There's a piece that came out.
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  Um Dr.
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  Nelson, he does a substack called Green Nuke, and talks a lot about Diablo Diablo Canyon power plant.
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  Um he's a nuclear power person and does some of the best work.
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  Well, if you listen to this show, you know that I am no fan of environmentalist.
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  I'm no fan of foundations.
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  I've rapidly become no fan of the Democratic Party or weak Republicans.
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  Because that's why this show is called geopower energy and real politics.
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  Energy sits in the sits in the center.
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  Because all wars and all geopolitical power comes from energy.
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  And when you really look at the politics, the real politics, energy is the thing that affects our lives more than anything that we interact with on a daily basis, has been completely uh taken over by politics.
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  People like Gavin Newsom, that man is an expert at real politics or real politics, the politics of reality.
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  That man knows how to twist reality.
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  He does it well.
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  And if we don't watch out, he's gonna be the next president of the United States because that's what they want.
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  Democrats, his billionaire funders, environmental organizations.
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  You have to remember the Rockefeller Foundation, the Michael Bloombergs of the world, the Tom Steyres of the world, Gavin Newsom.
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  These are evil, horrible people that want, they want to sow chaos because they want to collapse all of society and they want to be in control.
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  And on that, what I'm literally going to do is I'm going to read word for word, Scott Grout's article.
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  Gentleman named Scott Grout, G R O U T.
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  He wrote a piece called The Verdict on Nuclear Energy, Who Killed the Future.
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  If you wanted to stop the Iran war, you're not going to stop using oil.
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  But if you truly wanted to clean up the environment, well, number one, you've got to get rid of all the ridiculous environmental organizations of the regulations that have harmed nuclear power.
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  Why is it the Chinese are currently building 39 nuclear power plants?
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  I would tell you, I don't think it's that many, but you'll publicly say the number 39.
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  Tell you what, let's take it down to 29.
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  They're currently building 29 gigawatt scale nuclear power plants.
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  They're putting 29 gigawatts of clean, well, I mean clean.
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  There's no such thing as clean.
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  Nothing's clean, but it doesn't approve, it doesn't produce any emissions.
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  Nuclear power doesn't when you're actually making the electricity.
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  It doesn't produce um, even natural gas produces methane.
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  Coal produces.
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  I would tell you you could match what it takes to put in a turbine and a solar panel.
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  It's just about the same as using a coal-fired power plant.
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  If I take you through the entire value chain of a solar panel and a wind turbine, there's nothing, quote unquote, clean about it.
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  Nothing clean about a nuclear power plant.
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  95% of it is steel, concrete, and rebar, and that's produced by fossil fuels.
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  Um, so anybody says something is clean.
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  No, something's alternative energy, a wind turbine and a solar panel.
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  Um, a nuclear power plant is clean when it's making the actual electricity, but the plant itself is not clean, just like your home, your car, your cell phone, nothing is clean.
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  It's all come from fossil fuels.
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  So, with that setup.
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  Mr.
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  Grout wrote an article.
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  And it was called The Verdict on Nuclear Power.
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  And he did what I would tell you is just a stunningly, and I do mean a stunningly good job.
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  He goes a 50-year case study and how organized fear defeated evidence and what it cost us.
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  And he starts off.
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  In 1974, France faced an energy crisis.
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  Oil prices had quadrupled overnight.
• 26:40
  After the Arab embargo, the country imported nearly all of its fossil fuels.
• 26:45
  Prime Minister Pierre Mesmer made a decision that would define French energy policy for the next half century.
• 26:51
  French would go nuclear, comprehensively and without apology.
• 26:55
  The Messmer program commissioned 56 nuclear reactors in 15 years.
• 27:00
  So in other words, this is all a bunch of political nonsense now why reactors are so expensive.
• 27:06
  By the 1990s, France generated roughly 75% of its electricity from nuclear power cleanly, reliably, safely, and cheaply.
• 27:16
  He means cleanly.
• 27:17
  He means when you're making electricity.
• 27:19
  French households today pay among the lowest electricity rates in Western Europe.
• 27:23
  They're exploding in places like Germany, the UK, Sweden, Portugal, Spain.
• 27:31
  They're deindustrializing because they're exploding because they use renewables.
• 27:36
  Francis per capita carbon emissions from electricity generation are a fraction of Germany's, Britain's, or even the United States.
• 27:44
  France did not discover some secret technology unavailable to other nations.
• 27:49
  It simply made a rational decision and then it executed it.
• 27:54
  The question that haunts the next 50 years of energy history is why didn't everyone else?
• 28:00
  The answer is not complicated, though.
• 28:00
  The answer is not complicated, though.
• 28:02
  It is uncomfortable.
• 28:02
  It is uncomfortable.
• 28:03
  A movement, the environmental movement built on fear by the Democratic Party rather than evidence, sustained by organizational self interest rather than scientific inquiry and amplified by some of the most prestigious environmental institutions in the world for decades, have successively blocked the global deployment of the safest, cleanest, and where not politically sabotaged, most affordable large
• 28:03
  A movement, the environmental movement built on fear by the Democratic Party rather than evidence, sustained by organizational self-interest rather than scientific inquiry and amplified by some of the most prestigious environmental institutions in the world for decades have successfully blocked the global deployment of the safest, cleanest, and where not politically sabotaged, most affordable large-scale energy technology ever developed.
• 28:32
  The cost of their success measured in premature deaths, accumulated carbon, avoidable climate damage, and needlessly high electricity bills, which affects every part of your life, is among the largest self-afflicted wounds in modern history.
• 28:50
  Let that one stick with you.
• 28:57
  Mr.
• 28:58
  Grout, you're doing us all a favor, sir.
• 29:00
  He then goes on to what could have been.
• 29:03
  The United States government was not timid about nuclear energy's potential.
• 29:07
  In the 1960s, federal officials projected 1,000 commercial reactors operating in the United States by the year of 2000.
• 29:16
  That figure was not fantasy.
• 29:17
  It was a straight line extrapolation from the build rate already underway.
• 29:22
  At peak, 112 reactors operated in the U.S.
• 29:26
  Today there are 94, many of them are aging.
• 29:29
  The gap between 1,000 and 94 is not a gap in engineering capability.
• 29:34
  It is a gap created by politics for environmentalists, their foundations like the Tides Foundation, or Steve Jobs' widows foundation, or the horrible Rockefeller Foundation, or Alice Walton.
• 29:48
  Heard of the No Kings protests, the Walton Foundation, the Ford Foundation.
• 29:53
  You ungrateful prigs.
• 29:56
  Had the United States followed France's trajectory deploying nuclear at scale to the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, even today, the consequences across three dimensions would have been transformative.
• 30:11
  Coal, which powered roughly half of American electricity generation through much of this period, would have been displaced decades earlier, eliminating billions of tons of carbon emissions and hundreds of thousands of annual pollution deaths.
• 30:27
  Second, natural gas, marketed as a clean transition fuel.
• 30:32
  It's not.
• 30:33
  And I'm as pro-fossil fuel as anyone you're going to meet, and Alex Epstein does the best work you can imagine on the more the morality and future of fossil fuels.
• 30:46
  But it is not clean.
• 30:48
  It does produce methane.
• 30:57
  Third, and electricity is unbelievably important, what he writes.
• 31:01
  The foundational input to every modern economy would have been dramatically cheaper with compounding benefits across industry, household budgets, and economic competitiveness.
• 31:11
  We could have embarked on the electrification of dirty fossil fuel-based industrial and transportation processes far earlier.
• 31:21
  The starkest real world illustration of what nuclear suppression produced is the comparison between France and Germany, two wealthy, technologically sophisticated Western pure European nations that made opposite choices.
• 31:36
  I'm going to take a break.
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• 35:53
  Talk about the difference between France and Germany.
• 35:55
  Here's what it is.
• 35:56
  Nuclear power share of electricity.
• 35:59
  France, it's about 70%.
• 36:01
  Germany phased it out in 2023 from the unbelievably stupid Angela Merkel and her what's called the Inger Widen programmed.
• 36:10
  They're going to be carbon neutral and only use renewables.
• 36:14
  The residential price of electricity.
• 36:16
  Now remember, this is heavily regulated society.
• 36:18
  So this is still high.
• 36:20
  France, it's 22 cents a kilowatt.
• 36:22
  In Germany, it's 41 cents.
• 36:24
  It's killing their nation.
• 36:27
  The grid's carbon intensity, which is the G CO CO2 divided by kilowatt per hour.
• 36:33
  France, it's about 80, approximately 85.
• 36:36
  In Germany, it's 380.
• 36:38
  Russian gas dependency, pre-2022.
• 36:41
  In France, it was minimal.
• 36:43
  Germany, 55% of gas imports, and let no one lie to you.
• 36:49
  Europe is only alive right now because they are still getting Russian natural gas.
• 36:53
  They either get it directly from them or they get it via the Indians or the Chinese.
• 36:58
  But if anyone in Europe is listening to this and you are pro-Ukraine, you are still using Russian gas.
• 37:07
  What's this gap filled by?
• 37:10
  This gas dependency.
• 37:12
  Well, for the French, it's their existing nuclear fleet, and for Germany, they've now they're now using the dirtiest form of coal, like lignite coal or black coal.
• 37:22
  Dirtiest form.
• 37:23
  I mean, truly.
• 37:25
  I would tell you that if you were near that, you um you better get off of it real quick.
• 37:32
  Real quick.
• 37:47
  So Germany, what's called this Ingerweiden, which is spelled ENER GIE WE N DE, Advertised by Environmentalists as a visionary transition to renewables, produced some of the highest residential electricity prices in Europe, among the highest carbon intensities in Western Europe, and a strategic dependency on Vladimir Putin's gas pipelines that became a national security catastrophe after February of 22.
• 38:15
  France next door faced not one of these problems.
• 38:18
  The difference between them, it is not technology, it's not wealth, it's not engineering talent.
• 38:24
  It is a 50-year policy choice.
• 38:28
  Had the world followed France's lead, the International Energy Agency's own modeling suggests that true deep carbon deep decarbonization of electricity generation was achievable by the 1990s, 30 years before the targets being desperately negotiated today.
• 38:47
  The climate conversations we are having right now were likely never necessary at all.
• 38:54
  If you look at our world data, what's what's considered the cleanest, most scalable, portable, reliable, resilient, economical, safest and cleanest source of energy.
• 39:11
  It's only nuclear power.
• 39:13
  It even beats wind, and it's right there next to solar.
• 39:23
  It's also has data from a study in Lancet, another one from uh UnSCEAR, another one from Sovacol, another one for the I the IPCC AR5.
• 39:34
  And remember, death rates for fossil fuels are based on state-of-the-art plants with pollution controls.
• 39:40
  The figures that are being given in this our world of data backed up by various studies, including the UN.
• 39:47
  The figures are conservative estimates of actual mortality.
• 39:52
  The data tells a story that should have ended this debate of not using nuclear power versus fossil fuels decades ago.
• 39:59
  Nuclear energy kills 0.03 people per terawatt hour.
• 40:04
  That's that's millions of gigawatts of power of electricity produced.
• 40:10
  A figure that already incorporates the full death tolls of both Chernobyl and Fukushima, the two worst nuclear accidents in history.
• 40:17
  Nuclear is not slightly safer than fossil fuels.
• 40:20
  It is between 80 and 800 times safer, depending on the comparison.
• 40:26
  On carbon, nuclear produces six tons of CO2 equivalent per gigawatt hour over its full life cycle.
• 40:33
  In other words, someone's comparing the plant had to be built with fossil fuels.
• 40:39
  That is 160 times cleaner than coal and even lower than solar on a median basis, and it's much lower than solar because every renewable has to be backed up.
• 40:52
  That's the myth.
• 40:54
  Wind and solar are not cheap.
• 40:56
  They never have been cheap.
• 40:57
  They never will be cheap.
• 40:58
  They have to be completely backed up fully by an entire peaker plant system, which is the dirtiest, most inefficient way to run either a natural gas plant or coal plant, and nuclear plants cannot be used as peakers.
• 41:12
  They can't ramp up and down.
• 41:14
  Umly nuclear.
• 41:15
  Nuclear, when you turn it on, you got to keep it on.
• 41:18
  It typically takes one to two days to turn off, quote unquote, turn off a nuclear power plant.
• 41:23
  This traffecta is remarkable.
• 41:25
  Nuclear is simultaneously the safest among the cleanest, and as we will see, inherently one of the most affordable sources of large-scale electricity generation ever demonstrated.
• 41:37
  The anti-nuclear movement attacked on the dimensions of safety.
• 41:42
  When that argument weakened, it pivoted to cost.
• 41:46
  What the record shows is that cost problem, like the safety problem before, it was substantially a creation of the environmental movement itself.
• 41:54
  Democrats.
• 41:55
  James Hansen.
• 41:57
  He of NASA's foremost climate scientist and the man who first testified before Congress about the daemon, the damages and dangers of climate change in 1988, which was co-opted by Al Gore.
• 42:00
  Foremost climate scientist and the man who first testified before Congress about the daemon the damages and dangers of climate change in 1988, which was co-opted by Al Gore, co-authored a peer-reviewed study in environmental science and technology estimating that nuclear power saved approximately 1.8 million lives between 1971 and 2009 by displacing fossil fuel generation.
• 42:12
  Co-authored a peer-reviewed study in environmental science and technology estimating that nuclear power saved approximately 1.8 million lives between 1971 and 2009 by displacing fossil fuel generation.
• 42:26
  His Ford projection.
• 42:26
  His forward projection.
• 42:28
  Expanding nuclear could prevent between 420,000 and 7 million additional deaths by mid-century.
• 42:37
  Hanson has been explicit for years.
• 42:39
  And remember, this is the man co-opted by, you know, the Saint Al Gore.
• 42:48
  There is no credible path to climate stabilization that does not include a major role for nuclear power.
• 42:57
  This data was not hidden.
• 42:58
  The mortality differentials between nuclear and coal were documented in academic literature from the 1970s onward.
• 43:08
  The environmental movement that opposed nuclear power did so in possession of or with ready access to the evidence that contradicted its central claims.
• 43:18
  Don't ever believe the National Resources Defense Defense Council.
• 43:22
  Don't ever believe the Sierra Club.
• 43:24
  Don't ever believe any of them.
• 43:28
  Don't ever believe one of them.
• 43:35
  They are never to be believed.
• 43:41
  It's maddening to me.
• 43:43
  It's maddening.
• 43:46
  But you have this issue too about cost.
• 43:49
  So critics of nuclear energy have long pointed to its cost, what can be referred to as a capex of the capital capital expenditure as a disqualifying flaw.
• 44:00
  Okay.
• 44:01
  Well, that argument doesn't deserve engagement, but with precision about what actually happened to nuclear construction cost, where and why.
• 45:01
  And it shows the construction cost per watt of nuclear plants by country and date of commercial operation.
• 45:10
  It's a it's inflation adjusted 2020.
• 45:13
  The pattern is unambiguous and it's damning.
• 45:16
  In the United States, nuclear construction costs were low and stable through the 1960s and early 1970s, under $1 per watt in today's dollars for the earliest plants.
• 45:26
  Then beginning in the mid-70s and accelerating through the 1980s, cost exploded.
• 45:32
  By the late 1980s, American nuclear plants were costing $8 to $12 per watt.
• 45:37
  Recent projects have reached 14 to $15 per watt.
• 45:41
  And the sizewell C plant over in Britain right now, which will be the most expensive project ever.
• 45:54
  The trajectory, this chart shows it's not a gentle upward drift.
• 45:59
  It is a near vertical line.
• 46:02
  Yet, when you look at South Korea and China, uh the South Korean plants have maintained construction costs of roughly two to three dollars per watt consistently from the 1970s through the present.
• 46:14
  Chinese plants building its scale through the 2000s and currently are coming in at a dollar fifty to 250 per watt.
• 46:23
  Umparable to what the United States was achieving in the 1960s.
• 46:29
  They are building what's essentially the AP1000 from Westinghouse.
• 46:33
  Westinghouse sold them uh the licensing technology.
• 46:37
  The Chinese have upped it to about uh they call it the AP, what do they call this in the APR 1400, which is essentially the AP 1000, stands for 1000 is a thousand megawatts, which is one gigawatt.
• 46:51
  Chinese are building plants that are 1.4 gigawatts.
• 46:54
  That's enough electricity for about 1.4 million people.
• 47:00
  Um, if you look at China's the their forecast to do the 2029s, no signs of cost escalations.
• 47:09
  And again, the technology is identical.
• 47:12
  The physics does not change by geography.
• 47:14
  What changed in the United States and to a lesser extent, though I would probably argue this on an even worse extent, was the regulatory environment driven overwhelm overwhelmingly driven overwhelmingly by anti-nuclear advocacy, the Democratic Party, the Sierra Club, the EPA administrator for uh President Barack Obama's administration, the Ford Foundation.
• 47:41
  It gets worse.
• 47:44
  The mechanism was systematic, legal challenges to plant licenses, mid-construction design modifications, and NRC rule changes that the NRC is trying to reform currently.
• 47:55
  I give them credit.
• 47:57
  Driven by political rather than engineering considerations, each added time and cost to projects already underway.
• 48:04
  Why can the Chinese and the South Koreans build it?
• 48:07
  Essentially what they build it 50, 60 years ago.
• 48:12
  This is all political and it's all regulations.
• 48:15
  It's all driven by people like the Sierra Club, backed by the climate orthodoxy of the U.S.
• 48:21
  Democratic Party, backed by horrible people, like the Tides Foundation, the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, Alice Walton, Steve Jobs' widow, I think you didn't see uh the former McKenzie McKenzie Scott, Jeff Bezos' first wife, Tom Steyr, Michael Bloomberg, George Source, they all back this nonsense, not because they believe the environment should be better for you and me, but because they want to collapse our society to create chaos, and then they have control.
• 48:52
  And as I would argue, all these people see themselves as little gods and goddesses.
• 49:02
  The problem when you do all this in nuclear construction is that time is money in an unusually direct sense.
• 49:02
  The problem when you do all this in nuclear destruction is that time is money in an unusually direct sense.
• 49:08
  A plant under construction isn't a normal capital, it's an enormous capital investment, billions of dollars.
• 49:08
  A plant under construction isn't a normal capital, it's an enormous capital investment, billions of dollars.
• 49:15
  And it's generating zero revenue.
• 49:15
  And it's generating zero revenue.
• 49:17
  Plants that broke ground with one cost estimate were completed if they're completed at all by at multiples up that figure.
• 49:17
  Plants that broke ground with one cost estimate were completed if they're completed at all by at multiples of that figure.
• 49:25
  Land Vogel, VC Summer, and United States.
• 49:28
  But yet South Korea.
• 49:28
  But yet South Korea illustrates, I remember they're probably using South Korea because we really can't get the best data we can out of China.
• 49:37
  It's a communist country.
• 49:38
  They control the information.
• 49:40
  South Korea, strong U.S.
• 49:42
  ally, typically is a democratic run country where they keep rational figures and they're fairly transparent.
• 49:53
  South Korea illustrates what rational conditions produce.
• 49:57
  Building a standardized fleet, say like Westinghouse AP 1000 under consistent designs and a stable regulatory oversight, which the NRC is trying to currently do.
• 50:09
  Workers and engineers moved from project to project, accumulating expertise.
• 50:14
  Costs stayed low, not because South Korea found a technological shortcut, but because it never destroyed the institutional continuity that makes complex industrial projects executable.
• 50:27
  The United States destroyed it.
• 50:29
  By the time America attempted to build new plants in the 2020s, the Vogel project in Georgia being the most prominent example, the knowledge base had been so thoroughly dismantled that the industry was effectively starting from scratch.
• 50:43
  The cost argument against nuclear in the West is real, but it is not an argument against nuclear power.
• 50:49
  It is an argument against what sustained democratic party political, and I'd even argue baby boomer, political opposition does to any complex industrial system when it succeeds in weaponizing regulation as a tool of it of a tool of obstruction.
• 51:09
  South Korea and China demonstrate that the underlying technology built under rational conditions remains affordable.
• 51:17
  The West made this expensive.
• 51:19
  That was a choice.
• 51:21
  That was not an inevitability.
• 51:26
  How many nines of safety do you want?
• 51:36
  Go look at the regulations for a nuclear power plant.
• 51:39
  These are designed so they don't get built.
• 51:42
  That's why the NRC is having to reform.
• 51:48
  NRC commissioners that for decades sat around and did nothing.
• 51:52
  You are complicit in this.
• 51:56
  Entrenched Washington bureaucracy that wanted things to stay this way.
• 52:02
  We have NRC commissioners that said, don't build nuclear power.
• 52:09
  We have anti-nuclear NRC commissioners.
• 52:12
  That's all you need to know.
• 52:14
  New scale, the only advanced reactor with a full reactor license from the NRC.
• 52:22
  Conservative estimates are it took them 10 years and 500 million dollars to get a license.
• 52:31
  God bless those people.
• 52:38
  Talk about never giving up.
• 52:40
  Should put the folks from New Scale on the box of a weaties for people that never give up, people with endurance and perseverance.
• 52:54
  It's absolutely maddening.
• 53:04
  Mr.
• 53:05
  Grout has this section called the environmental movement, a self-sustaining machine of opposition.
• 53:12
  Robert Bryce has also done work on the amount of money that billionaires are giving to these environmental organizations.
• 53:18
  And God bless Robert Bryce for this.
• 53:22
  The man can create a database like not like no other in a spreadsheet.
• 53:27
  I give a lot of credit to Robert Bryce and his analysis and ability to break these topics down in his in his writings.
• 53:38
  I'd recommend go to his Substack.
• 53:42
  Let me end with this.
• 54:20
  This is exactly who they are.
• 54:23
  The logic, remarkable in retrospect, I would tell you satanic, was that abundant energy would fuel economic growth and population expansion, threatening natural landscape.
• 54:36
  Nuclear power's promise of essentially limitless clean affordable electricity was precisely what Brower and his ILT feared.
• 54:46
  The Sierra Club reversed its previously pro-nuclear position.
• 54:51
  Other organizations followed.
• 54:53
  The ideological turn was dramatically amplified by two events in 1979.
• 55:00
  The partial meltdown at Three Mile Island, which it wasn't that big of a meltdown, seeing they're trying to reopen the plant, which killed no one and injured no one, and the release of the fictional Jane Fonda.
• 55:11
  Oh, God, Jane, do you need Jesus?
• 55:16
  The China syndrome, 12 days earlier, a movement that had been building, found suddenly that fear had done its organizing work.
• 55:25
  No deaths, no injuries, a contained accident at a facility that had operated safely for years, but the imagery was indelible, and the organizations knew how to use it.
• 55:41
  And I'm telling you, this gentleman, this article, if you really want to understand what why we should continue to use nuclear, why we should be building it on every street corner we can find, why the NRC needs to reform faster than ever, why trillions of dollars need to stop being spent on mythical climate change that no one can truly define, or renewables for electricity and why it should be put into nuclear power.
• 56:00
  Dollars need to stop being spent on mythical climate change that no one can truly define, or renewables for electricity and why it should be put into nuclear power.
• 56:10
  I'm telling you, this piece does a better job than I've ever seen.
• 56:10
  I'm telling you, this piece does a better job than I've ever seen.
• 56:14
  My name is Todd Royal.
• 56:14
  My name is Todd Royal.
• 56:15
  Thank you for listening today.
• 56:15
  Thank you for listening today.
• 56:16
  I feel this is such an important episode about nuclear power, what happened to the Israelis, and just this myth of how just one part of the oil value chain is safer than probably most.
• 56:16
  I feel this is such an important episode about nuclear power, what happened to the Israelis, and just this myth of how just one part of the oil value chain is safer than probably most of our homes.
• 56:30
  I would certainly say they're probably safer than our homes.
• 56:34
  Thank you for listening today.
• 56:36
  My name is Todd Royal.
• 56:37
  I'm the host of Geopower, Energy, and Real Politics.
• 56:41
  And I just want to say to all of you, God bless you.