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Outdoors with... Wildlife Photographer Calum Rae · Outdoors with Yorkshire Wildlife Trust

0:13
Speaker 1: From wild swimming to dog walking, bird watching to rock pooling.
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Speaker 1: We're going outside finding data live hosting.
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Speaker 1: Find your hosts from your towild.
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Speaker 1: As we drive down a winding path to the east of Scarfillage, past the past, we pull up to the site.
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Speaker 1: Directly as you enter the site is a viewing frame looking over the reef bed where Marsh Harrier flies.
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Speaker 1: To our left is a bridge taking us across into the site.
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Speaker 1: If you're lucky, otters can be spotted swimming through.
0:53
Speaker 1: Watch out for bubbles on the surface.
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Speaker 4: Brown hair over there.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh my god! Um just sat there.
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Speaker 1: Wow, it literally looks like a uh like a nature card right now.
1:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Just the way it's sitting there.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we see a lot of those around here.
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Speaker 4: East Yorkshire's a bit of a strike.
1:13
Speaker 4: I mean Yorkshire in general.
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Speaker 4: I never saw them growing up in Leicestershire.
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Speaker 4: Um in Yorkshire they seem to be pretty good, doing really well.
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Speaker 4: Um it's funny, you they'll say they have to sit there until you get out of the car, and then obviously they recognise how a human is uh a threat.
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Speaker 1: We'll leave you two at Mr.
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Speaker 1: Hare on here.
1:34
Speaker 1: Great.
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Speaker 1: So just talk into that a second.
1:38
Speaker 4: Testing, testing.
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unknown: Maybe.
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Speaker 4: One, two, one, two, hello, hello.
1:42
Speaker 1: Do we need to bring anything with us?
1:45
Speaker 4: Uh well, are we going now?
1:46
Speaker 4: Are we going from here?
1:47
Speaker 4: As in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it started.
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Speaker 1: We've begun.
1:50
Speaker 1: Oh, this is lovely.
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Speaker 1: So the last time we were here, it was snowing.
1:55
Speaker 1: Do you remember?
1:55
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't actually snowing, but it was icy.
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Speaker 4: A rare a rare occurrence to be that icy down at Skern Wetlands.
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Speaker 1: But it was beautiful and it was really sunny as well.
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Speaker 4: It's hard to imagine, isn't it, when you see it like this, and it's so so low.
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Speaker 4: That's the other thing you don't really notice, sort of incrementally changing across the seasons.
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Speaker 4: It's a change in vegetation.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: But you know, um, right, I mean, really now it's looking really lush despite the dry weather.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Um, yeah, it's looking looking, you know, really green and lush, but um, then you'll see it in winter and it'll be you know really sparse and and that's yeah.
2:27
Speaker 1: I think that's what's quite nice about our sites is that they in different seasons they they bring different things.
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Speaker 1: Like you can come to the same site all year round, yeah, and there's still like new things to see and feel.
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Speaker 4: I know it's one of the key things, particularly about Skern.
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Speaker 4: You know, I mean some some reserves pit you know really do shine in sort of May, May-June time is a classic time, especially sort of we are wildflower meadows and stuff.
2:52
Speaker 4: But the great thing about Skern is such a varied sort of mosaic of habitats and a large site as well.
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Speaker 4: That any time of year you'll come here and there will always be something to see.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the marsh harriers are a good example of that.
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Speaker 4: Um, they'll be here year round.
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Speaker 4: Can't see any at the moment, but you're pretty much guaranteed a marsh harrier.
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Speaker 1: My first my first marsh harrier was here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's they they have really done quite well in recent years.
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Speaker 4: They were, you know, it was there was a really rare sight uh to see a marsh harrier, it's a bit like red kites.
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Speaker 4: Um yeah, they will often be, you know, loafing.
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Speaker 4: Oh, there's one now actually, it's just dipping, you might have missed it, but it just dipped into the rebed there.
3:31
Speaker 4: Awesome.
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Speaker 4: Um so they nest in the rebed over there, and um I think we've got about three pairs on site that are breeding.
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Speaker 1: Oh, there it is.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's one that's lifting up then.
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Speaker 4: Might have been a female there.
3:44
Speaker 1: Um wow, there's two there.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we can go have a closer look if you want.
3:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Um have you ever taken a photo of one?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're often they are in the distance.
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Speaker 4: Um, yeah, there's one now.
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Speaker 4: So it's quite hard, and because obviously they're in the sky, um it's sometimes you've got issues with backlighting and stuff, you know.
4:04
Speaker 4: So it's quite difficult to get a um a close view.
4:07
Speaker 4: Obviously, you know, a proper telephoto lens would help.
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Speaker 4: Um, but it's rare that they're sort of you know sat still in full view close enough to get a good photo.
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Speaker 1: What's a telephoto lens, please?
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Speaker 4: So, really, you know, it's just uh a lens with a really long zoom basically.
4:22
Speaker 1: Like the ones where like if you're walking down people are like big bird and stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: You'll see them, yeah.
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Speaker 4: It's like a bazooka sort of one they hit.
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Speaker 4: Uh which obviously, you know, for a lot of for wildlife in general is a great tool to have.
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Speaker 4: I don't have one, partly because they, you know, cost so much.
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Speaker 1: Because you're putting the amateur in amateur wildlife photography.
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Speaker 4: Exactly, yeah.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, that's yeah, that's how we're selling it.
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Speaker 4: Um but effectively, you know, I mean, like a lot of things, um photography can be an expensive hobby.
4:52
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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Speaker 4: But it can also be a very cheap hobby.
4:54
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be, you know, it's what you it's kind of what you want it to be.
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Speaker 4: Um, you know, you can spend thousands and thousands of pounds on on getting all the kit, and which you know can be really useful, especially like like I say, particularly for wildlife photography.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Where you know your subject might be, you know, hundreds of metres away.
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Speaker 4: But similarly, you know, you every phone now has got a pretty decent camera.
5:15
Speaker 1: Um we've jumped ahead.
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Speaker 1: What is your name?
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Speaker 4: I'm Callum Ray, I'm um project officer for the Walds and Holdeness with Yorkshire Wildlife Trust.
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Speaker 4: So um the area I cover is um from the Yorkshire Walds, which is um band of uh chalk hills um from sort of like market wheat in Pocklington kind of area, east of York.
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Speaker 4: Basically from there out to the sea.
5:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, in the east on to the east of Yorkshire coast is is the area we cover.
5:41
Speaker 1: And what activity are we doing today?
5:43
Speaker 1: Um, what is that?
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Speaker 4: I think it's it looks a bit like a longhorn beetle, but without the really long horns.
5:51
Speaker 1: That is awesome.
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Speaker 1: I should try and take a photo on your camera.
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Speaker 1: Or you should take one on your camera.
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Speaker 4: One-handed, because it's on my hand, so that is so good.
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Speaker 1: Can you take it one-handed?
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Speaker 4: I control.
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Speaker 1: Wow, what a perfect moment.
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Speaker 1: And then you need to do you want me to press the button?
6:05
Speaker 1: Oh, you've got it.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Oh, he flew away.
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Speaker 4: Can you always do that?
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Speaker 4: Just when you're about to when you're about to take, pull the trigger.
6:14
Speaker 4: No.
6:16
Speaker 1: This brings me on to a question that I had about like wildlife photography, right?
6:20
Speaker 1: Because we're here, you've got your camera with you.
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Speaker 1: And that was like the perfect moment to kind of show wildlife is so like fleeting and it moves lots and is doing its own thing, and particularly cooperative, particularly at a site like this, like it it does feel really wild, like to have something like that jump on your hand and there's Marsh Harriers over there that we're looking at.
6:40
Speaker 1: Like, how do you approach taking photos?
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Speaker 4: So, um generally what I do is I, you know, I in my spare time, well, both in my spare time and actually part of my job is to just kind of go for a walk sometimes.
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Speaker 4: Um, and you know, often, more often than not, I will bring my camera along.
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Speaker 4: I won't necessarily take a photo every time.
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Speaker 4: There's lots of different reasons to take photos.
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Speaker 4: Some people will, you know, be trying to get that gold standard shot, um, you know, to a professional standard, and that's and that's brilliant if you can do that.
7:15
Speaker 4: Um and you know, some people will just just want to take a photo just for their own sort of you know enjoyment of it and just to look at it or creating the memories to accompany their memories of that place.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Um, sometimes it might be you know, I'm just trying to get a photo that's just good enough to identify a species.
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Speaker 4: If I see a particular species, I'm like, I don't really know what that is.
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Speaker 4: I don't need to you know get up close and personal or you know get it perfect.
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Speaker 4: I just need it, you know, need need a good enough photo to be able to identify it using um some sort of reference guide or something.
7:48
Speaker 4: That's really cool.
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Speaker 1: Have you done that before?
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Speaker 1: Have you got an example?
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Speaker 4: Many times, yeah, many times.
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Speaker 4: I mean there's always um there's always it's particularly with I find invertebrates, um, because you know there's such so many um species out there of you know beetles, flies.
8:05
Speaker 1: What yeah, I was about to say someone might know not know what an invertebrate is.
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Speaker 1: How would you describe that?
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Speaker 4: Very, yeah, very basically an invertebrate is a is uh an animal which doesn't have a an internal uh spine.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 4: So it's it they tend to have exoskeletons, so yeah, all your insects, um they tend to be quite small, but not always, you know.
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Speaker 4: You we've got like white clawed crayfish, which is a native species, um, which is also an invertebrate.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that they were invertebrates.
8:37
Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, um, and then yes, but all your kind of you know creepy crawly sort of thing, so you your arachnids, your insects are all are all invertebrates.
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Speaker 1: Um and so that that when you look at them, that I guess you might see something that's really like strange and unique, and you can take a photo of it and then take that.
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Speaker 4: Because there's a vast, vast array of different species.
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Speaker 4: Yeah um, you know, you will always come across new ones that you don't know.
9:02
Speaker 1: When did you first pick up a camera and start getting into it?
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Speaker 1: Was it like something you did for growing up?
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Speaker 4: It was uh yeah, I did.
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Speaker 4: Um it was sort of when I probably got I was probably about 12, I would say.
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Speaker 4: Uh I probably sort of absorbed it off my dad a bit because he got went through a big photography phase where he was of what was he taking wildlife photos?
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Speaker 4: Not so much, no, it was more he was more kind of I think he was sort of a bit more kind of landscape and your day-to-day sort of you know, whatever he wanted.
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Speaker 4: Whereas I'm a bit more focused on on yeah the natural world just because that's another hobby and and passion of mine.
9:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 4: Um so I think I initially sort of uh took it off him.
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Speaker 4: Um and I also noticed that I was going on holidays and coming back without any photos.
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Speaker 4: So that was part of one of the reasons that when I got a bit older and I started organising my own trips.
9:53
Speaker 4: I was like, well, you know, I'm gonna invest in a camera because I want to, you know, I want to record my time in these places.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And particularly again, particularly with the wildlife and the natural world side of things.
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Speaker 4: So um yeah, that was when I sort of invested in a camera.
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Speaker 4: So you know, I I spent a few hundred pounds on this one, which is probably going on ten years old now.
10:14
Speaker 4: Wow, served me very well.
10:16
Speaker 1: It has, that's a really long time.
10:17
Speaker 1: It's a good investment, then I guess.
10:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is if you look after them.
10:21
Speaker 4: Um so it's a bridge camera.
10:23
Speaker 1: Okay.
10:23
Speaker 4: Um what does that mean?
10:25
Speaker 4: So we're standing on a bridge, and it's a bridge camera.
10:28
Speaker 4: Perfect.
10:29
Speaker 4: Wow.
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Speaker 4: Um, and I'm I'm speaking very much as again an amateur.
10:33
Speaker 4: I I don't have a lot of technical expertise about these things.
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Speaker 4: Um but yeah, often you'll get a digital SLR and they've got interchangeable lenses.
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Speaker 4: So you have a lens for like more of your close-ups, yeah, you'll have a uh larger lens that you can put on it to to take you know different focal fields, yeah, and then you might have you can get up to telephoto lenses, which you know is you know really good for taking far-off shots in detail.
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Speaker 4: Um this camera is different from that in that it only has one lens, which you can't change, okay.
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Speaker 4: But it that it's quite versatile, so it has a relatively speaking quite a variable depth of focal focal depth.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Um can you show you try to take a photo now?
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Speaker 4: So um I could take a photo of the van over there, which isn't very exciting, I know.
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Speaker 1: But um a good tester, yeah.
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Speaker 1: So I mean Oh, okay, that's a good zoom on that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
11:29
Speaker 4: Compared to, you know, a lot of smaller digital cameras for for someone who's who's not like really serious about taking photos, yeah, but wants to have a bit of versatility, it's a good option and quite affordable as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
11:44
Speaker 1: Should we carry on walking?
11:45
Speaker 1: Um which way do you want to go?
11:48
Speaker 4: I prefer always going left.
11:49
Speaker 4: Okay.
11:49
Speaker 4: But um but we you know, we can we can do loop round.
11:53
Speaker 4: You can do it, yeah, do it all.
11:55
Speaker 1: Um whoa, look at that.
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Speaker 1: Stuck in the room.
12:00
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 4: So that's a banded demoiselle.
12:02
Speaker 4: I love these.
12:03
Speaker 4: So are you gonna take a photo?
12:05
Speaker 4: Could try.
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Speaker 4: I mean it's a bit morbid, isn't it?
12:07
Speaker 4: Because it's stuck in the spiders well.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I really like um the smaller, going back to invertebrates, yeah.
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Speaker 4: Smaller um subjects, like insects and things as subjects, because partly because they're a bit easier often to take photos of.
12:23
Speaker 4: So say you birds.
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Speaker 4: Birds is an example of something that's all around us.
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Speaker 4: You know, you go on any walk, walk anywhere, you'll always see birds, but they are really difficult to take photos of.
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Speaker 4: Because either, like I was saying earlier with the marsh harriers, they're up in the sky with you know that backlighting, or they're far away, they're often very wary of people, or these smaller birds are often like in a dark tree canopy, and they don't sit still for a second, uh, and they're really small, yeah, and they're often dull colours as well.
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Speaker 4: Um, so all those things, you know, make it really difficult to make them really difficult subjects.
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Speaker 4: You'll always find insects about, yeah, um, particularly in summer, on a warm summer's day, and they're often overlooked as well, I think, you know, um, and it shows you a new perspective, especially if you can get like a good macro shot, you know, a really close-up shot of a of a an insect.
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Speaker 4: You sort of see it in a new light.
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Speaker 4: The other thing for me to get decent photos I found is using manual focus.
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Speaker 4: Oh really?
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Speaker 4: Um, because you know, as we all know, with cameras is um with autofocus, which is you know useful often, but um it often won't focus on exactly the thing that you want, especially you know, having that real close-up of something small.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So manual focus I found is really useful to getting a good shot, but this is tricky because it's swaying in the wind.
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Speaker 4: Okay, might have been decent.
13:56
Speaker 1: So you can see like so close.
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Speaker 1: So I really like the wow yeah, the the like the hairs and the details of the wings are so amazing.
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Speaker 4: To a point sometimes where it almost becomes like abstract, you know?
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Speaker 4: And I I really like that as well, that sort of element of it.
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Speaker 1: Thank you to our model.
14:14
Speaker 4: And sorry.
14:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, condolences.
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Speaker 4: It's almost like you feel like yeah, you feel a bit bad leaving it, but but I'm also a bit like, you know, it shouldn't interfere too much.
14:24
Speaker 1: Let me work and observe exactly.
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Speaker 1: So this site that we're on SCAR, um, you said that it's been with a trust for how many years?
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Speaker 4: So I think they took it on in 2013, I think I'm right in saying.
14:39
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Um, so about yeah, about 13 years now.
14:43
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Um, and it's changed a lot in that time from when it was a commercial fish farm.
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Speaker 1: Um, yeah, I think that's so interesting that it was a commercial fish farm because a lot of our nature reserves maybe begin as quarries or have that sort of like industrial uh historic beginning.
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Speaker 4: So, yeah, and I think at the time my current line manager who was still with the trust at the time, um shout out John Trail.
15:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, for John Trail, yeah.
15:14
Speaker 1: He he you know um Wow, pause, beautiful butterfly right here.
15:19
Speaker 1: Oh, it went.
15:20
Speaker 1: See, this is what's gonna happen.
15:23
Speaker 4: That's uh a lot of painted ladies about this year.
15:27
Speaker 4: They tend to come in like mass years.
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Speaker 4: We you know, there'll be several years we don't see many of them at all, but so John helped acquire the site?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so my um current manager, John Trail, um, who was with the trust at the time, uh working in this area, had noticed that it was up for sale and um you know proposed to senior management of the trust that um that we as an organization acquire it.
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Speaker 4: Uh which I think you know it's quite an innovative way of looking at things because it's you know it's quite easy to look at you know a commercial fish farm and it be very sort of fairly sterile environment in a lot of ways, and thinking, well, you know, what can we do with this?
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Speaker 4: You know, it was still it was still a functionable fish farm.
16:13
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So the person that was selling it, you know, it wasn't hadn't become defunct, it was you know, it was potentially still it could so it could have been bought and continue to have been a fish farm.
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Speaker 4: And there were several reasons that you know it was beneficial strategically for the trust to acquire it.
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Speaker 4: One of the main ones is that it's positioned on a chalk stream.
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Speaker 4: Chalk stream is obviously a really rare habitat globally.
16:38
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Um you know, we in England have about more or less 90% of the world's chalk streams forced to us to protect them.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing.
16:47
Speaker 1: 90% of the world's chalk streams are.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
16:50
Speaker 1: Um what's that I hear?
16:58
Speaker 1: It's a wise owl hooting.
16:59
Speaker 1: That's right.
17:00
Speaker 1: When you hear this noise on the podcast, you'll get a moment to deep dive with an expert into a topic or theme that we're discussing.
17:06
Speaker 1: This week we're joined by the aforementioned legend John Trail.
17:11
Speaker: Hi, so I'm John Trail.
17:12
Speaker: I'm the Living Landscapes Manager for the Orks of Wildlife Trust Scrubbing the Walton Holden S area of East Yorkshire.
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Speaker: So roll back to 2013, um, we took ownership of the um what is now known as Skirwetland site.
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Speaker: Um when we actually completed the end of 2012.
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Speaker: Um it was known as Humble Side Fisheries as a reflection of the fact that we're working for.
17:38
Speaker: We took ownership on it from a particular point of view because of the importance of the tall frame that runs through the site and the fact that one of the main control frames that forms over the whole headwaters.
17:51
Speaker: Um network, which is a special time for ecological value.
17:59
Speaker: And forms a network of only about 220 torf frames across the whole of the UK.
18:05
Speaker: Um England.
18:13
Speaker: Northern France, hearing a really particularly important area, the fact that the most northern court frame in the UK and Yorkshire.
18:29
Speaker: Um the fact that the chalk that the torque derived from the spring drive out of the chalk in the off the world.
18:40
Speaker: Um the most northern out of chalk in England as well.
18:44
Speaker: So from a landscape point of view, the torture in a wider landscape.
18:49
Speaker: And the water drive the whole of that landscape, whether it be ecological, whether it be farming, whether it be wider business, um, whether it be um public enjoyment of the outdoors.
19:05
Speaker: And um that's where our landscape program, which we um came up with the name Torkshire, um came through because it was basically a recognition of the importance of that landscape, not just for um the wildlife and biodiversity, but also for the people who live and work in the region as well.
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Speaker: And we are trying to bring all those people together under one banner to uh recognise that value.
19:32
Speaker 4: Um we haven't and looked after them as a nation, sadly.
19:35
Speaker 1: Um what ways have we been damaging chalk streams?
19:38
Speaker 4: Um historically they were um modified um artificially in a lot of quite extreme ways.
19:45
Speaker 4: They were often like straightened and widened uh and overdeepened, all pretty much in the way in the name of trying to control them, basically making sure they're not gonna flood out into the surrounding land, agriculture being one reason.
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Speaker 4: So it's easier to farm, you know, if there isn't like a you know a river snaking through it, if it's just one straight gun barrel straight channel, it's much easier to farm that land.
20:08
Speaker 4: Um, embanking those rivers as well.
20:11
Speaker 4: It's another really common modification that we'll you know, we're we're on one now, pretty much.
20:16
Speaker 4: This is the river here, and we're on an embankment.
20:19
Speaker 4: Um, as part of the fish farm this will have been put in, and that's again to keep the river in its um in its channel and stop it spreading out into what should be its floodplain.
20:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, um, all these kind of combine together to reduce the amount of diversity and variability in the flow regime.
20:35
Speaker 4: So all that flow, all that water just moves at one steady speed, um, often more sluggish than it would originally be, particularly in a chalk stream.
20:44
Speaker 4: You know, we want to see a bit more sort of a rapid kind of flow.
20:47
Speaker 1: And like meandering as well.
20:48
Speaker 1: Exactly.
20:49
Speaker 4: We like meandering because that introduces variety uh in the flow.
20:53
Speaker 4: You know, you'll have certain sections of the channel which are water's moving quite quickly, uh-huh.
20:57
Speaker 4: And that exposes those chalk gravels, which are you know quintessential to a chalk stream, you know, um a healthy chalk stream, you'll see those chalk gravels which are also really important for a lot of uh animals' life cycles.
21:08
Speaker 4: Yeah.
21:09
Speaker 4: Um fish species require a mixture of silt and um gravel, okay.
21:15
Speaker 4: Uh a mixture of fast and slow-flowing section uh sections of river.
21:20
Speaker 4: Um they also love woody debris, which is something which is lacking in our rivers because it always gets pulled out.
21:28
Speaker 4: You know, if there are any trees at all, if any of them fall in, they're immediately pulled out because it's it's perceived as a flood risk.
21:34
Speaker 1: Um so everyone that now goes to like a river location, if they see woody debris, we want them to like jump up and down and like.
21:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
21:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
21:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, actually, you know, changing that mindset and that perception of rivers is a real part of the work that we do around around short streams, yeah.
21:53
Speaker 4: And that goes for any river as well, you know.
21:55
Speaker 1: So talk to me about the I guess the site as it is right now and what You've been working on recently here?
22:02
Speaker 4: So, yeah, keeping on the subject of the river, I mean you can see here this is a good example actually of uh a stretch of river which we see those modifications I was just I was describing.
22:14
Speaker 4: You've got quite high banks.
22:16
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:16
Speaker 4: Actually, you know, with a chalk river, what we would expect in an unmodified chalk river is we would be standing at the level almost of the water.
22:25
Speaker 4: Okay.
22:26
Speaker 4: Whereas actually we're like, you know, three or four metres above it.
22:29
Speaker 4: Um and that's stopping the river interacting with its floodplain as it naturally would.
22:35
Speaker 4: What we have allowed though in this case, uh, which you can see is that there's been a bit of vegetation encroachment in some places.
22:43
Speaker 4: Yeah.
22:43
Speaker 4: Um that's happened sort of in a lot of places that's happened quite organically and naturally over time.
22:50
Speaker 4: It's just something that wouldn't have been allowed to happen if it were being managed in a different way, the way we're managing it.
22:57
Speaker 4: Um also you can see there's like willow on the banks which is encroaching into the river, and again we see that as a good thing.
23:07
Speaker 1: So this is then quite a fantastic habitat, and then what wildlife does that allow to throurish?
23:12
Speaker 1: Yes.
23:13
Speaker 1: So yeah, did I say through throughish?
23:17
Speaker 1: I was gonna say flourish or thrive, and I think I put them together.
23:23
Speaker 4: Throurish.
23:23
Speaker 1: Thurish.
23:24
Speaker 4: Um it's really popular.
23:25
Speaker 4: Well, River Hall headwaters in general actually is really popular uh as a chalk stream for uh brown trout, yeah.
23:32
Speaker 4: Um which is a naturally occurring species.
23:34
Speaker 4: Um we also get grayling along here.
23:37
Speaker 4: Um they're not super common, the grayling, but we do get them.
23:41
Speaker 4: Uh and we also have barble, which we've seen spawning further up.
23:45
Speaker 4: Barble.
23:46
Speaker 1: I don't even think I've heard of that fish.
23:47
Speaker 1: A barble fish.
23:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, barble.
23:49
Speaker 1: Oh, like um the barble fish in Hitchhiky's side to the galaxy.
23:54
Speaker 4: That's a babelfish.
23:55
Speaker 1: Oh, they're not the same thing.
23:56
Speaker 4: No, they don't help you learn new languages, can we?
23:58
Speaker 4: Um we also get lamprey, brook and river lamprey up in this area.
24:04
Speaker 4: Um and otters.
24:07
Speaker 4: We do get otters, not a fish, but we do get a fish, but they're in the water.
24:10
Speaker 4: But we do get yeah, we do get otters.
24:12
Speaker 4: Um varying times of year, we sometimes see them on a daily basis with down here.
24:17
Speaker 1: Um I've not seen one yet.
24:20
Speaker 4: Well, um perhaps today if we get very lucky.
24:22
Speaker 1: Wow, imagine if we saw one and you got a photo of it, and that would be amazing for the podcast.
24:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would be.
24:28
Speaker 1: The content would be crazy.
24:29
Speaker 4: Don't set your expectations too high.
24:31
Speaker 4: Um, but yeah, no, otters were really exciting for me.
24:34
Speaker 4: Otters are a bit of a favourite of mine, actually.
24:37
Speaker 1: Are they?
24:37
Speaker 4: Um and then in all sort of the functionally linked, I talked about like the the fish cells and the drains.
24:44
Speaker 4: Um we get water wool as well a lot uh on site.
24:48
Speaker 4: Um and there are another species that have really suffered for a variety of reasons in the area, well across across the country, um uh seen up to like a 90% reduction, really.
25:01
Speaker 4: So that they would have been commonplace at one point.
25:04
Speaker 4: Um sadly now they're quite a rare site.
25:07
Speaker 4: But we do see we do get them on uh at Skern Wetlands, which is is great to have and great to know that they're here.
25:13
Speaker 1: That is great.
25:14
Speaker 1: Have you ever taken a photo of any?
25:15
Speaker 4: Yes, we've got yeah, yes.
25:17
Speaker 4: Uh again, you know, they're because they're quite elusive, yeah.
25:21
Speaker 4: Um it can be tricky to get them, you know, and they don't often hang around, but it can be tricky to get uh yeah a good shot.
25:28
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, I've I have had a couple of semi-decent um photos of of uh a waterfowl in the past.
25:36
Speaker 1: We'll have to share them.
25:37
Speaker 4: The otters are even harder though, yeah.
25:38
Speaker 4: The otters are even more difficult, they just don't sit still and then you know they'll just like they'll just disappear, they're just yeah.
25:45
Speaker 4: Uh which you know for a fairly big big animal is is quite impressive.
25:50
Speaker 1: So that's what we can find here at this site now.
25:53
Speaker 1: Um what would you love to see here?
25:57
Speaker 4: So we do get bitten here in the reed beds.
26:02
Speaker 4: Um, what I'd love to see is um is evidence that they actually are successfully breeding, that would be really good to see.
26:08
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:08
Speaker 4: We started seeing more and more examples of crane, common crane coming into this area, which is rare across the country unless you're in some areas like the East Anglia.
26:19
Speaker 1: Um my neck of the woods.
26:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, um, but you know, we we are seeing them more and more in this area, so I'm hoping that you know they'll drop into Skern at some point, that would be great to see.
26:27
Speaker 1: Was there a butterfly that you wanted to reintroduce?
26:30
Speaker 4: Yes, there's the um swallowtail butterfly, which is um currently pretty much confined to the Norfolk Broads at the moment.
26:38
Speaker 1: Again, shout out Norfolk.
26:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
26:40
Speaker 4: Um yeah, we I mean we share quite a lot in common with the broads because it's a flat landscape uh with a lot of what would have been historic wetland.
26:49
Speaker 4: We're currently looking, well I say we, you know, there's there's partnerships, a group of group of groups of people who are looking at um trying to safeguard that population because it's quite vulnerable having an animal which is so confined to one particular area.
27:04
Speaker 4: If something happens, such as a climate change or you know, change in the management there for whatever reason, that population becomes threatened, yeah, then or be or doesn't exist anymore, then that's gone.
27:18
Speaker 4: So what we want to try and do is look for ways in which we can and places which we can introduce the swallowtail up in this sort of area.
27:26
Speaker 4: So there's several you know possible areas where the food plant um could be introduced, and that's milk parsley, food plant.
27:33
Speaker 4: Um pretty much the only food plant of the caterpillar of the swallow tail.
27:38
Speaker 3: Wow.
27:39
Speaker 4: Um so that's sort of the pre-precursor to actually introducing the swallowtails themselves is ensuring that there's the right habitat and the right food and everything for them to exist.
27:49
Speaker 1: That kind of reinforces the the mosaic of like uh our our natural spaces, right?
27:54
Speaker 1: And then if one thing goes, then the domino effect of other things going to say in the Norfolk Broads, um what did you say the flat milk parley?
28:04
Speaker 3: Milk parsley, yeah.
28:05
Speaker 1: So that slow started to disappear, and then you'll have the decline of this amazing creature that only that's its only food source.
28:14
Speaker 2: Yeah.
28:14
Speaker 1: Um exactly, which is scary, I guess, and being able to like uh work across the UK I think is quite an exciting opportunity, particularly within like the Wildlife Trust, the the like federation as a whole, like speak to each other all the time and kind of share learnings, and although we are regional, there's so much amazing work going on, like kind of across the UK that's like connecting us together.
28:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
28:39
Speaker 4: And it's also worth saying that you know that it's a subspecies of but of swallowtail which exists in Norfolk broad.
28:47
Speaker 4: So it it is an endemic species, which means that it, you know, that that's the only place in the world where it exists.
28:53
Speaker 4: There is a continental species of swallowtail which is slightly different in terms of that particular subspecies of swallowtail.
29:00
Speaker 4: That's the only place the Norfolk broad that exists.
29:02
Speaker 4: So that that would be an extinction, a global, you know, a extinction if it were to happen.
29:09
Speaker 1: Should we have a seat?
29:10
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
29:11
Speaker 1: Let's have a little seat.
29:11
Speaker 1: Why not?
29:12
Speaker 1: We should have brought like a cup of tea or something.
29:13
Speaker 1: I know, I did look at it.
29:15
Speaker 4: We should have brought a herbal tea for my thing.
29:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.
29:17
Speaker 1: Okay, imagine you've got an otter in front of you, a swallow tail butterfly, and a Highland cow, and they're all about to dart away, and you've got your camera, and you can only choose to take a photo of one, which one are you gonna pick?
29:36
Speaker 4: I'd have to say an otter.
29:37
Speaker 1: Really?
29:37
Speaker 4: I just yeah, they're just so it's just so rare to get a if you get a long enough, they just don't sit still for longer than a second.
29:44
Speaker 1: And oh no, the Highland cow's charged at you.
29:46
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:48
Speaker 1: Um is there any like wildlife that you would love to capture on camera?
29:52
Speaker 4: Specifically a species around here.
29:54
Speaker 1: No, it could be anywhere across the world.
29:56
Speaker 4: I'd love to get a good photo of orca.
29:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:00
Speaker 4: Yeah.
30:00
Speaker 1: Um well, although I was reading something about how off the coast of Northumberland they spotted some orcas, so maybe off the coast of East Yorkshire could happen sometime soon.
30:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've just got to be lucky, I think.
30:13
Speaker 4: Uh and obviously be out in a boat at the time.
30:18
Speaker 1: You've just got to convince John Trail to like be out on a boat for like all of your work week.
30:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
30:23
Speaker 1: And then you might spot an orca.
30:25
Speaker 1: And then talking about your work week then, I guess, what does a general like week at the Yorkshire Wildlife Trust look like for you?
30:34
Speaker 4: Um typical week, you know, I might be out mowing a meadow one day and then in the office the next day, maybe doing some training and and uh so doing some like wetland plant training at the moment um with some colleagues, which is um really useful for my role.
30:50
Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like when I joined the trust that I realised that like every week was gonna look different, which is really exciting actually, because I guess there's so many sites in Yorkshire, but also there's so many different things that our teams are doing to help try and kind of bring nature back and restore and rewild.
31:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
31:11
Speaker 1: Um so it's a very exciting time to be working at the trust.
31:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and there's such a range of different, you know, uh, you know, people with varying knowledge and skills and expertise within our organisation.
31:24
Speaker 4: The other thing to mention as well is uh often which often, you know, on a weekly basis we'll be out with my volunteers as well.
31:30
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so you've got a volunteer group here?
31:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh well across the winter months we spend a lot of time working here um doing some of those management tasks like willow coppicing and and clearing areas of reed bed and and things like that.
31:42
Speaker 4: Um the jobs dry up over the in the spring and summer because of bird breeding season.
31:47
Speaker 4: Um so that's when we get into our Himalayan balsam season.
31:50
Speaker 4: I just went and did that.
31:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a rite of passage, you've got to adjust the Himalayan balsam.
31:56
Speaker 1: It was very fun and satisfying, but now I can't go on a walk without noticing it.
32:01
Speaker 4: That's always the curse.
32:02
Speaker 4: And that's I mean that's the curse of of being involved in nature conservation full stop, is is you start to notice all things that are wrong with the world.
32:10
Speaker 4: You know, you can never enjoy a walk anymore.
32:13
Speaker 4: And you start boring all my friends to death who are, you know, uh you know, and I've mentioned oh oh there's a giant hog reader there, or you know, whatever.
32:22
Speaker 1: On the flip side of that, I do think it has like since working at the trust, it's made me really like appreciate green spaces and just like what it does to your like brain chemistry, yeah, like being outside and how like calming it is.
32:36
Speaker 1: Like even just us here today, we've only passed one person, and I think these spaces are like very much for the wildlife that is here, and that that feels quite freeing to be part of, and to be I feel really privileged to be able to like come here and spend a day at work here and yeah, 100%.
32:56
Speaker 4: And I you know, I consider myself very lucky to be uh get to be able to work here, and what you said about the site in in general about it being a you know really quiet site, and you can come and get you know it's a bit of an escape, and it's not far from Driftfield, but you know, it does feel very sort of secluded and isolated.
33:10
Speaker 4: And even before I was in this job, yeah, helping to manage SKERN in this area, um, I really enjoyed coming to SCUN.
33:18
Speaker 4: I always saw something here and it was always so quiet.
33:20
Speaker 4: You always felt like you had it to yourself.
33:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of what you were saying about your photography earlier as well.
33:25
Speaker 1: Like it allows you to kind of like focus in and take a moment, and I feel like that's a really nice h like hobby and like activity to do when you're in in these spaces, even if it is just on your phone.
33:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
33:39
Speaker 4: And then I also I think it's important not to feel like pressured to do it all the time as well.
33:44
Speaker 4: I think when I first got into it, I was I'd go out on a walk and I'd be constantly, like, constantly you know, taking photos, um, which wasn't a bad thing, you know, I enjoyed it, but but sometimes as well, especially if like something pops up, you know, like an otter again, you know, an otter pops up, and you spend your whole time trying to get the perfect photo and you sort of forget to actually enjoy the moment, you know, and actually like just engage in because otherwise you spend the whole time looking at the back of your camera, yeah, missing the fact there's an otter floundering about in front of you.
34:16
Speaker 4: You might be trying to get that you know really good photo, but fail doing that, and then also you realise, oh actually, I didn't really yeah, I didn't take in.
34:25
Speaker 4: So so it is that balance, and I think I'm much better at that now of of sort of you know taking photos, being more selective about what I'm taking photos of.
34:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a nice accessibility thing as well with with taking photos of wildlife because not everyone can get to a site like this, and so actually the like uh act of of doing this and that being a hobby for yourself, yeah, there's also that like sharing element, whether that's just with your friend or colleague, yeah, or whether that's on I know lots of people have like wildlife Instagram accounts where they share photos they've taken, or they're part of blogs or communities that they do that, and I think that's really special, um, particularly when it's like maybe a part of the world or a part of the country that you can't get to.
35:07
Speaker 1: I'd never seen a puffin before until I worked at the Yorkshire Wildlife Trust, but I'd always like to look at the photos that people would take during Puffin Fest, and I knew that was happening, and I think yeah, the ability to like share wildlife in that context can be really nice um for opening up these spaces to other people.
35:24
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, and that's something I you know I I I used to be much better at it during COVID, surprisingly, unsurprisingly.
35:30
Speaker 4: Um of yeah, keeping my Instagram up to date with you know weekly photos, if not daily photos of wildlife and other things.
35:38
Speaker 4: This is your chance, you're gonna back it up now.
35:41
Speaker 1: We've got a podcast episode, relaunch it, rebrand yourself.
35:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, get a couple of followers off the back of it.
35:48
Speaker 1: Um a couple followers?
35:50
Speaker 1: You mean a million followers?
35:52
Speaker 1: How did you get to this job at the Orkshire Wildlife Trust?
35:59
Speaker 1: So you start walking?
36:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can do, yeah.
36:01
Speaker 4: I mean, in terms of my interest in wildlife, which I suppose it all comes back to, apparently my mum tells me I was always on my hands and knees, you know, crawling after a you know a beetle or ladybird or something.
36:12
Speaker 4: And I was always that kid at um at prime school who was like building little ladyburg houses in Inverted Commons, which is basically a pile of grass, and uh it probably wasn't of no benefit to the ladybirds at all, but you know, I thought I was, you know, but it was formative, it's exactly what you're saying.
36:29
Speaker 4: That's that's the key thing.
36:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
36:32
Speaker 4: I mean it wasn't something that I ever thought until you know the last sort of six, seven years that I'd necessarily be doing as a job.
36:43
Speaker 4: You know, it's the sort of thing you're like, oh you know, it'd be great to do that, but there won't be able to get like a job, you know, going outside and and doing these things.
36:52
Speaker 4: You know, that's just too good to be true, isn't it?
36:55
Speaker 4: Um but turns out there is, you know, there are you know, you you can you can get a job doing that.
37:00
Speaker 4: Um yeah, I didn't study a relevant degree or anything like that.
37:03
Speaker 4: You know, worked in pubs for a while and and did a bit of travelling and then did volunteering with my local Wildlife Trust, built up a bit of knowledge, you know, the local the ranges that ran that were really useful and really helpful.
37:16
Speaker 4: Um, and that was really crucial as well to my sort of development.
37:19
Speaker 4: And then there's an internship programme with the Yorkshire Wildlife Trust.
37:22
Speaker 4: So I moved to Hull for that.
37:23
Speaker 4: I spent a year doing that, which is really sort of immersive, seeing bits and bobs of what various staff and teams were doing within Yorkshire Wildlife Trust.
37:31
Speaker 4: So it was amazing for like a networking point of view, getting to know faces, getting your face known in the trust, broadening your understanding of conservation and the nitty-gritty of you know what you know why we do what we do, how how we do it.
37:45
Speaker 4: And then my first like real job getting my foot in the door was with our invasive species team in West.
37:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:54
Speaker 4: Um spent a few years doing that, sort of as a part-time role.
37:58
Speaker 4: Um, and then yeah, they and then moved on to into this role, which is um a full-time role now, so I'm fully fully fledged.
38:07
Speaker 4: Sometimes I have to sort of like think back and you know when I sort of started that internship, it was kind of like oh this will be good to do, but I you know didn't necessarily always think I'll be able to get, you know, I will be able to get a job because it is a competitive industry and there's not always a lot of jobs around.
38:26
Speaker 4: So I do consider myself very lucky.
38:28
Speaker 1: Whenever I talk to anyone at the trust, um it's really clear how like much passion and love there is for like nature.
38:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can really tell how much people care for the things that they're doing and the spaces that they're in, and yeah, I think that that is really special.
38:44
Speaker 1: Yeah um what's one thing that you want our listeners to take away about chalk streams and skern?
38:51
Speaker 1: And then the second one would be about taking photos of in wildlife.
38:56
Speaker 4: Something that we really try and get across to the general public.
38:59
Speaker 4: It doesn't just apply to chalk streams, it applies to all kinds of rivers, and actually it applies to the w the the wider natural world in general is to remember that often the messier something looks, the better it is from a an ecological standpoint.
39:16
Speaker 4: Yeah.
39:16
Speaker 4: As humans, we seem to have this sort of fixation on wanting everything to be neat and tidy, having those scruffy edges and and having things messy and letting vegetation grow and having woody debris in the rivers, being open-minded about those things, to those sort of more natural processes and not trying to interfere too much.
39:39
Speaker 4: Um I think that's one key thing.
39:42
Speaker 4: Um for photography, I think uh I was often quite sort of self-conscious in terms of posting on posting my photos on like Instagram and whatever.
39:54
Speaker 1: Whatever the kids use these days.
39:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
39:56
Speaker 4: Um the TikTok.
39:58
Speaker 4: I'd go through phases, you know, I'd go through phases of like, you know, I'd post like a few and then I'd be like, oh no, no one cares about this.
40:06
Speaker 4: You know, don't don't let that stop you.
40:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
40:10
Speaker 4: Um because you know, people do enjoy seeing photos.
40:14
Speaker 4: That's what it's there for, that's what Instagram's there for, you know.
40:17
Speaker 4: One thing I would encourage people to do, um, particularly in terms of trying to take photos of insects and things like that, is buy you can get these little um macro lenses that you can just clip onto your phone.
40:27
Speaker 4: Oh, that's cool.
40:28
Speaker 4: And basically it just means you can you can zoom in and focus on something really small, and you just get so much more detail, and they cost about five hours, I think.
40:37
Speaker 1: Oh, that's great.
40:37
Speaker 4: So I'd really recommend doing that.
40:39
Speaker 4: Yeah.
40:39
Speaker 4: One thing I really want to delve into next is to get an underwater camera.
40:43
Speaker 2: Oh, that would be so cool.
40:45
Speaker 4: I've just come back from a holiday we did a lot of snorkeling.
40:47
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, you know, this would be great if I could, you know, take a pic.
40:50
Speaker 4: So yeah, have a have a camera on my on my hip like I do when I'm just walking around a nature zero.
40:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really cool.
40:56
Speaker 1: And um in reference to this site, but also just general nature, imagine it's like a hundred years time.
41:03
Speaker 1: What would you like to see for the for the future of wildlife?
41:08
Speaker 4: Um particularly for this site um and the surrounding area, I think first of first of all with the river, I'd love to see the river in a better state morphologically.
41:17
Speaker 4: By that I mean sort of the path the river's taking and the way it's the way it's flowing.
41:22
Speaker 4: The sort of surrounding area, I'd I mean it's pretty good habitat across SKERN.
41:27
Speaker 4: What I'd really like to see is expansion.
41:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
41:30
Speaker 4: Um being strategic about you know where we can expand and and link up with from Skern and link up with other areas, you know, there's Top Hill Low Nature Reserve, which is further down the river.
41:41
Speaker 4: There's quite a bit of good habitat upstream of here as well.
41:44
Speaker 4: You know, a real uninterrupted landscape-wide um restoration restored area.
41:51
Speaker 4: A hundred years' time, like think bold, yes, think big, exactly, and that and that doesn't have to preclude farming, like farming can be you know a crucial part of that as well, you know.
42:01
Speaker 1: And any crazy species you'd like to see with climate change.
42:05
Speaker 4: I mean, who knows what's gonna turn up?
42:07
Speaker 4: Um crazy species.
42:10
Speaker 4: I'd love to see pelicans.
42:11
Speaker 4: Wow, because it's not necessarily widely known that pelicans were native to this country.
42:16
Speaker 1: Um I don't think I knew that.
42:18
Speaker 4: Um Dalmatian pelican.
42:19
Speaker 4: Wow, I mean Dalmatian implies you know they're from Croatia.
42:22
Speaker 4: Croatia, yeah.
42:23
Speaker 4: Uh they were here, uh, and I think it's feasible that they could be again.
42:29
Speaker 1: So, what would you like to see in the river?
42:31
Speaker 4: Uh in the river, so we do from time to time we get eels, but really rare.
42:36
Speaker 4: We'd love to see more eels up here.
42:38
Speaker 1: Amazing.
42:39
Speaker 1: We're finished here on the bridge.
42:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
42:41
Speaker 1: Um, I love this bridge, another bridge.
42:43
Speaker 4: Start on a bridge and finished.
42:45
Speaker 1: I love this bridge as well because it says like Skern Wetlands written across here.
42:48
Speaker 1: And I think you're kind of finishing with the river going underneath.
42:52
Speaker 4: I can't walk across this bridge without stopping for a few minutes.
42:56
Speaker 1: Well, there you go.
42:57
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me on this podcast.
42:59
Speaker 4: It's a pleasure to be part of the year.
43:02
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming outdoors with York to Wildlife Justice.
43:04
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Speaker 1: In terms of wildlife photography, we have a range of events throughout the year, including a beginner's wildlife photography websites, cave data and satisfied 14, and 4K wetlist and satisfied 12 seconds.
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Speaker 1: After getting involved in content calendars, from volunteering to work experience in terms of jobs.
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Speaker 1: We offer a wide range of opportunities to support data.
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Speaker 1: To find out more about these roles, access to Ferm wetlists and adultly events.
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Speaker 1: Visit our website www.ywd.org.uk and look on the get involved support us and places to visit us to find out more.
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Speaker 1: Join us next week, but we'll be visiting community projects at Greek Garden at the UART uh uh uh uh