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Set 2: No Hope for the Browns (w/ Golic) · Stugotz and Company

• 0:21
  Speaker 1: We spoke to Mike Golick two weeks ago, but boy,
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: do I miss him. It feels like forever. I mean,
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: he greets you with a burp. He is getting the
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: TVs behind him all organized. He's laughing at Taylor over
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: the idea of Taylor rushing for 1,000 yards. If Patrick Richard,
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: am I saying the name right?
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: If that was his fullback, Mike, I heard you talking
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: about him today, but Taylor said yesterday that if Rashard
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: was the fullback at North Carolina when he was playing
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: at North Carolina, he would have moved from receiver to
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: running back and would have rushed for 1,000 yards.
• 0:53
  Speaker 3: Your thoughts?
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: My thoughts was when would he have woken up from
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: that dream? All of a sudden, he's Uncle Rico from
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: Napoleon Dynamite.
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: The goal, extend to noon Eastern.
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: On ESPN Radio, Notre Dame on Saturday, NFL on Sundays.
• 1:11
  Speaker 3: Mike, no time to watch football. What are you doing?
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, let me tell you. Red Zone Channel is my go-to.
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: Before I do the Sunday night game, I'm laying in
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: my hotel watching the Red Zone Channel. And on the
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: regular TV, I have it on either one of the
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: games on the network. So I'm getting my fill.
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: What'd you make of Texas-Ohio State? I felt bad for
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: Arch through three quarters, but man, did he have a
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: coming out party in that fourth quarter.
• 1:37
  Speaker 3: What a game, Mike.
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: You know, they always say, was it more one or
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: the other? But normally it's somewhere in between. It's Texas
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: taking their foot off the gas. I mean, it's Ohio
• 1:48
  Speaker 2: State taking their foot off the gas and Texas starting
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: to play well. That was amazing. Kidd hits three field
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: goals for Ohio State and then misses a 45-yarder to
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: keep Texas In reach. That was a game that lived up.
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: You hope the big game of the week is like
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: this week, LSU at Mississippi, which has so much more
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: on it than just a football game, that they live
• 2:10
  Speaker 2: up to the hype, and that one lived up to
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: the hype.
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: We'll get to the NFL in just a second. Mike,
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: just to stay on that game for a second, why
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: does this not happen? Why does it not happen more often?
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: Why does Ohio State or Ryan Day tell his defense, hey,
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: the momentum has swung Texas his way. Let that team
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: score and give ourselves– as much time as we can
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: to drive the field and come back and get a
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: win here.
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: It's so against the thought process, especially as a former
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: defensive player like I was, to let somebody score.
• 2:40
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: But you have to play chess, not checkers, right?
• 2:44
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: And say, okay, well, there's part of it, how much
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: do you trust your defense to make stops at the
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: one-yard line? And then there's, okay, the clock has to
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: get involved. It's very difficult in the sport to– not
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: for the game, but for that instance, wave the white
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: flag and say, we're going to let you do something
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: that we are basically, well, now you can say paid
• 3:07
  Speaker 2: to stop you from doing. But in the macro sense,
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: it makes more sense to do to give yourself your
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: offense more time, especially when you have a receiver like
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith. Right. who you just throw 50-50 balls, and
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: they're like 70-30 balls in his favor just to get
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: you in field goal range. Yes.
• 3:28
  Speaker 3: By the way, Texas wasn't much better. They left too
• 3:30
  Speaker 3: much time for Ohio State.
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, I could not believe how they weren't letting the
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: clock run down. I'm like, do you know who that
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: wide receiver is on Ohio State? Leave them a second.
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was shocked at that as well. Yes.
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: Um, speaking of shocked Oregon, losing the way they lost
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: to Oklahoma state.
• 3:52
  Speaker 3: That was shocking.
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  Speaker 1: Mike, like I'm not, Oregon will probably still make the playoff,
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  Speaker 1: but that was alarming.
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  Speaker 3: If you're an Oregon duck fan.
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, incredibly alarming. I got Oklahoma state team that lost
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: by double digits to Tulsa in week one. And, and
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they'll make, if they'll make the playoffs,
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: it all depends on obviously rankings. And if you could
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: win the, uh, win the conference, but you drop down
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: to 21. Yeah. I mean, and do we think, now
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: if it's their only loss, they'll start to obviously creep
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  Speaker 2: back up. But I mean, do we, the way they
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: play there, I mean, they got USC coming up in
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. Now USC, Maiava, their quarterback has
• 4:33
  Speaker 2: been outstanding, but they haven't really played anybody yet and
• 4:36
  Speaker 2: they really haven't gotten tested. But Oregon has Ohio State.
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: In November, they have Michigan who played well. So I
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, you dropped out of that top 12.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: You know, that's going to be a long haul for them.
• 4:51
  Speaker 4: Mike, the other game of note from the college football weekend,
• 4:55
  Speaker 4: Michigan beating Oklahoma. Everybody kind of had Michigan left for dead,
• 4:59
  Speaker 4: and then Bryce Underwood and Kyle Whittingham pull out that
• 5:01
  Speaker 4: win in the big house. Was that more about Michigan
• 5:05
  Speaker 4: responding or the Oklahoma offense just being absolutely dreadful?
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: I think the Oklahoma offense was awful. Now, these are
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: two good defenses. It's not like either one of these
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: offenses was unbelievable, right? It was 17-10. The Michigan offense
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: still not really getting on track, but that Oklahoma defense
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: is really good. But I was surprised at the Oklahoma offense.
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: I thought they would do a little bit more than
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: they did. Only had 100 yards rushing, not even 200
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: yards passing. Now, You have to credit the Michigan defense
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  Speaker 2: for that. And that was, if there was a weak
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: spot on the Oklahoma team, it wasn't the defense. It
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: was the offense. So, yeah, that was surprising. I picked
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma in what I thought would be an easy win.
• 5:53
  Speaker 3: What did you make of Lane Kiffin?
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: This is classic Lane Kiffin as he tries to ratchet
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: up the stakes for this weekend's game where he says, hey,
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: Mississippi has the pressure on them.
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  Speaker 3: They're the better team. They have two Heisman Trophy candidates
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  Speaker 3: over there. He was basically– he was patting himself on
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  Speaker 3: the back.
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: He was patting himself on the back when he said pressure.
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: He said our team won seven games last year. He
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: should have then whispered that I didn't coach. That other
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: team won 13 games last year. that I coached. I mean,
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: he was just subtly throwing his lines in there. But
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: what he said is pretty true. All the vitriol in
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: a rivalry like this is going to be on Lane,
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: without question. It's like when Lane went back to Tennessee
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: after leaving Tennessee for Ole Miss and did that game.
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: And there was a ton of stuff thrown on the field.
• 6:46
  Speaker 2: That's what I just hope happens. The governor of Louisiana
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: kind of tongue-in-cheek saying we're going to need to fly
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: them in a C-130 and the security. They're going to
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: have to, you know, it's college, college. uh fans it's
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: like a mob mentality yes if somebody starts doing something
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: bad others are going to follow so i am a
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: little bit worried about it crossing the line.
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: So am i like i think that's real i think
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: mississippi fans are really upset.
• 7:15
  Speaker 3: With lane and lane should have a bodyguard with them
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: or two or three yes i completely.
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: Agree right absolutely i mean freaking college fans They email
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: death threats to kickers when they miss field goals. I mean,
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: some of the fans just needs to be locked up.
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: You know, you say, oh, it's fanatic.
• 7:35
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: That's crossing a line to crazy and you should not
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  Speaker 2: be anywhere near a stadium.
• 7:41
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the NFL.
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: We were laughing earlier that Patrick Mahomes last night seemed
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: more concerned about his uninjured arm than he did about
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: his injured knee.
• 7:50
  Speaker 3: What do you think?
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, You know, when you have major surgery
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: on something, I've always talked about this because I had
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: a couple of them, and the doctor can tell you
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: you're good to go back. Right. But you've got to
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: get over a mental hump. Yes. And even for a quarterback,
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: it's even more because in fall camp, in training camp,
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: they're never getting hit. At least, you know, if you're
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: in a different position, you can go live at some
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: point during camp. But quarterbacks always got a red jersey on.
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: You're not hitting them. So he's not really getting 100% full,
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: not only contact, but movement on the field until a
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  Speaker 2: real game. And that's when you have to cross that
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: mental hurdle. And like he told Andy Reid, I need
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: to get the first hit out of the way because
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: he didn't get any hits leading up to that. This
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: was basically the first hit he took in a real
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: live game. So you have to jump over that hurdle.
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: And boy, oh boy, I mean, listen. Obviously, the story
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: of him coming back from the injury is huge. But
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: what they got in Kenneth Walker is just amazing. Here's
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: an amazing stat. He had two runs of over 20 yards.
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  Speaker 2: Last year, Kansas City as a team had one.
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: One as a team runs over 20 yards, and he
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: had two last night. Boy, what a– and I thought
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: because the offensive line got shifted around when Josh Simmons
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: was hurt. Khalil Benton went over to left tackle. So
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: they changed it around a little bit. They did a
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: really nice job.
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: Mike, the bigger story for me from that game was
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: the Broncos and just how bad that offense was.
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right? Oh, the offense and, quite honestly, the defense. Yes. Again,
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: this was an offensive line in KC that made a
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: couple of changes. You're going up against a team the
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: last two years have led the league in sacks and
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: is one of the top defenses, and they couldn't stop them.
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  Speaker 2: They missed 19 tackles. They missed 11 tackles on Kenneth
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  Speaker 2: Walker alone. But 19 total. Very uncharacteristic. and you know
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: you had Davis Webb as the play caller on offense
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: so you have to keep an eye on that one
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: of the things that affected Bo Nix last year Sean
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: Payton's offensive play calling is like.
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  Speaker 3: A book right right yes so there.
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: Were times this young quarterback would need it repeated, they
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: would get to the line of scrimmage late. So they
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: were looking to get past that, but that still happened
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: a couple of times. You want a quarterback, especially a
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: young quarterback, to be at the line longer rather than shorter,
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: to go through his progressions, go through some cadence to
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: try and get the defense to give away their disguise,
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: but they weren't able to do that much.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: How long does Sean Payton allow that to continue before
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: he takes the play-calling responsibilities back?
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: Boy, that's the truth. Listen, now we sit there and
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: we look at that division and the Raiders, obviously, we
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: don't think are going to be an issue. The Chargers,
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: we build them up every year, and then, my God,
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: your Jets beat them, for God's sake. Wait, was it
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: your Jets?
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: No, we beat the Titans. No, the Cardinals.
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: You beat the Titans. I'm sorry, the Cardinals beat the Chargers.
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Same thing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, a little worse, I think.
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. How about both New York teams winning
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: as an aside? But, yeah, to your point, I mean–
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: We thought it was a three-team division, but it's again,
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: one week, it's overreaction week. We do after one week,
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: but Kansas City, it looks like they have regained.
• 11:29
  Speaker 4: Mike, we always hear that defenses are supposed to be
• 11:31
  Speaker 4: ahead of offense early in the season. The NFL tied
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: its all-time week one scoring record.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 11:37
  Speaker 4: And we're a Javante Williams taunting penalty away from having
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: that record where Aubrey backs all the way up for
• 11:44
  Speaker 4: the for the kick.
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: How do you explain? I love you blaming it on him.
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: It's his fault.
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: Yes. It is his fault.
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: How do you explain all the scoring that we saw
• 11:52
  Speaker 4: in week one?
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: You know what? Taylor, I wish I could. I wish
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: I could because it's always been kind of a thing
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: that the defense has been ahead of the offense. You
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: would see the defense ahead of the offense and you
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: would see a number of penalties, which you did in
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: the game I called Cowboys and Giants. There were 19
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: penalties total. I think 10 for the Giants, 9 for
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: the Cowboys. a little over 200 yards. It was like
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: that in a few games. But I wish I knew
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: the reason. Look at the Texans' defense, best defense in
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: the NFL, giving up all the points. Now, the Bills
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: are a good team, but still, Texans have a heck
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: of a defense. Denver's defense, no show. I mean, I
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: wish I had an answer for that, and as an
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: analyst and former player, I'm supposed to. But you know what?
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: I don't. I was stunned. Mike, give some hope to Cleveland.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: There is none.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: Because that was one of the worst displays of something
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: they call football that I've seen, and they're still going
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: to stick with Deshaun Watson.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: You know when your parents say, if you don't have
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: anything nice to say, keep your mouth shut?
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: But we don't say that here, so rip him.
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: He's not. You told him to give him hope.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: Listen, I was keeping my mouth shut there. It's a
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: hockey change offensive line. I don't know if your quarterback
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: of the future is in the room. Shador Sanders is
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: going to get a shot. It's just a matter of when.
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: The defense, you lose a defensive player of the year.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: You still have some decent pieces on that defense. It's
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: a mess. They're an absolute mess. So what they need
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: to do... Is to find out if they have a
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: quarterback that goes on or if the quarterback is going
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: to be, the quarterback room is going to be completely different. Right.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: Their hope is holding a clipboard right now. I mean,
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: it's really, yes, it's absurd. Mike, what'd you make of,
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: since you called the Giants-Cowboys game, it was so impressive,
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: the Giants were, John Harbaugh, stamped his imprint on that team,
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: and he did it very, very quickly. But what did
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: you make of Jackson Dart? If he's going to play
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: like that, the Giants are going to contend for the playoffs, Mike.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I thought one thing I said on the broadcast,
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Jackson Dart, and you look for progress from rookie year
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: to the second year, and he made better decisions. Yeah.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: Ran out of bounds a couple times. Now, he can't
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: help getting late hit by one of the Cowboys in
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: another dumb penalty, but he was running out of bounds,
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: running out of bounds both sides. sliding feet first a
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: couple times. A couple times he went head first, but
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: I get it. You know, when you're that close to
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: a first down marker, occasionally you'll go for it. You
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: can't completely take away his toughness, but he made better decisions.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Threw the ball well. He and Isaiah likely seem to
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: have a great quarterback-receiver relationship. Eight targets, eight receptions. Isaiah
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: likely a great bringover with Harbaugh from Baltimore. But, yeah,
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, you have Riccardo at fullback leading the way
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: for Scataboo, who you just wonder, hopefully he can make
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: it through a season because he just drops his shoulder
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: on frigging everybody. Yes. And the defense, Denard Wilson, the
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: new defensive coordinator, he came over from Tennessee. Especially on
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: known passing downs, he likes a four-man rush into drop seven,
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: which helps in coverage, but they don't get a ton
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: of pressure on the quarterback in a four-man rush. And
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: they have pass rushers too, so that's an area I'm
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: a little concerned at. Like last year they had 91
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: tackles for losses. They'll make plays on the other side
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: of the line, but not a ton of sacks.
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: Mike, two brothers disappointed their families this weekend. Jim Harbaugh
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: with the Chargers and Matt LaFleur with the Packers. If
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: I asked you which of those two teams is more
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: likely to make the playoffs, would you say the Packers
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: or the Chargers?
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Good question.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I think the Packers have better players overall. Now, as
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I said going into that game when we were previewing
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: week one, you don't know when you're getting Josh Jacobs back.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: May not be for a while, and for good reason, obviously,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: because what he did off the field is certainly way
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: more important to talk about than on the field. But
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: we're a sports show. We're talking football. They're not going
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: to have him for a while. And Micah Parsons is
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: out at least six weeks. You look at that defense
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: getting to the passer after Michael went out, it was
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: almost non-existent. So you have a couple of pieces missing
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: for a while. But I do think they have some
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: talent to make up for that. But it also is
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: the most competitive division in all of football, without question.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Without question. So that could make it tough. But I
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: don't know. There's something about trusting the Chargers. I'm just...
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Running low on that.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Why would you trust the Chargers? Yeah. We were laughing.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Taylor mentioned LeFleur.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: The parents, they went to Mike LeFleur's game in Arizona.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: They didn't go to the Packers game. And Taylor thinks
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: they like that son better.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: What do you think?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, I've always said this. They say parents love
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: their kids the same. No, they don't. I make a
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: list every day between Jake and Sidney and Mike. Right.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And even I'll throw the dogs in there occasionally as well. Yes.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: And the kids will be behind the dogs. Right. Oh,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it was because, Mike, it was his first
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: real game as a head coach. I get it. Yes.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: And what a game. What a win for them. Right.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, how about that?
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. What are the rankings today? I mean– Is Sid one?
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Normally, Mike says something dumb that I'll disagree with on
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: the show every day that'll put him down to three.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's unfair because he's working with you.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I know. Listen, I didn't say, hey, life's not fair.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: If you want fair, go to a fair. Go watch a,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: you know, go get a deep fried Oreo. You know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: he knows he's playing behind the eight ball every day. Right.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Borg Mike.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: But he gets to work with you. Poor Mike.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: No, there's no poor Mike.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Mikey asked a very interesting question.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I've been thinking about it all night. Texans fans.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it, Mike, because you know the
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: defense is good, Mike, and occasionally you're going to run
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: into Josh Allen, and that happens. Josh Allen can do
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: it against any defense. But if you're a Texan fan,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the big question you had was about your quarterback.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: The quarterback played pretty good, not good enough, but played well.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: And if he plays like that and they put up
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: 30 points, they're going to win most games that they
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: play this season. So should Texan fans walk out of
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: that game feeling happy or disappointed?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Obviously disappointed in the loss, but C.J. Stroud played better
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: because the last look they had at him was the playoffs,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: which was awful, right? Yes. And my son Mike made
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: a bold prediction at the beginning of the year that C.J.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Stroud is going to reset the quarterback pay market after
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: this year when he can get paid. And if he
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: has a good year, he very well may. this could
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: have been a preview to the AFC title game. Would
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: anybody be shocked that they meant the AFC title game? No,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't at all. And quite honestly, you would ask
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: the defense to pick up the slack, which is stunning
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: because it was the best defense in football last year
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: of all the points they gave up to that Buffalo offense. But, yeah,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I think Texans fans, it's one game, you're just fine.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: It's interesting with Josh Allen because I was telling a
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: friend yesterday– I've done this with Dan Marino.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: You know how much I love rings. It validates everything.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: But if Josh Allen doesn't win a ring, I will
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: be willing to say once his playing career is done
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: that he was one of the all-time great quarterbacks. One
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks that I've ever seen. I've only
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: said that about Marina, who didn't win one, went to one,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: lost to the Niners. I will say that about Josh Allen. Mike,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: we've never seen anything like that at that position.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm different than you. I don't put Super Bowl
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: wins on quarterbacks. I don't think that's fair, but everybody's
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: entitled to their opinion. Oh, yeah. I mean, he is incredible. Listen,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson's got two MVPs and no Super Bowl ring either.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: So you have two excellent quarterbacks in the AFC who
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: are still looking for hardware. But I completely agree about
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen. He's asked to put on his cape all
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the time. Now, he does have Cook in the backfield.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: He's got a really, really good offensive line. And a
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: defense that hopefully will be better, especially against a run
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: than they were last year. They got Ed Oliver back.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: That should help. But I'm with you. He is a
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: great quarterback.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Mike, with the Rams losing and then losing Miles Garrett
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: to IR, their Super Bowl odds have dipped to plus 600.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: And to miss the playoffs, they're plus 260. So the
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: odds would imply they have a better chance to miss
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: the playoffs than win the Super Bowl. What do you
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: think about that?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Hmm. Miss the playoffs or win the Super Bowl. I
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: would still say win the Super Bowl. There's still too
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: much talent on that team. I don't know how much
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: time Miles Garrett will miss. Aaron Donald obviously will start
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: to play soon. They're better than that game, but kudos
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: to San Francisco for what they did. How much did
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: travel come into play? I have no idea. But, boy,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the Rams did not look good in San Francisco. Kyle Shanahan,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: you had two of the best play callers in the
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: game matched up. in McVay and Shanahan, and Shanahan certainly
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: won that matchup.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: They would have looked better if the game was in
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: San Francisco, but it was in Melbourne.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Sure would have.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Mike, what people forget about the Rams is they were
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a play away from making it to the Super.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Bowl a year ago without Garrett and without Donald.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right. I mean, I would still have no problem.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: In fact, I picked the Rams and the Bills to
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: make the Super Bowl, and I feel good about my
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Bills pick. A little shaky on my Rams pick. Not
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: so much... Not so much because of the one game,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: but because Myles Garrett is now going to miss some time.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: And even when he comes back, we'll see how well
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: he does. But to your point, they did it last
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: year without Myles Garrett and Aaron Donald.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Am I getting carried away if I say Kayla Williams
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: will be the greatest quarterback we've ever seen?
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: You're probably getting carried away. Let me tell you what.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: We always talk about Patrick Mahomes off-schedule. I don't think
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: anybody is better than Caleb Williams off schedule. Yeah. I mean, dude,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: you have no idea how he escapes.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: How well he throws the ball rolling right is absurd.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Across his body.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Absolutely absurd. Yes. And then you have Ben Johnson making
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: all kind of proclamations. We want to win Super Bowls.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: We want to score the most points ever.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I love him.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Well, quite honestly... 59 points. I did the math. They're
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: on pace to score 1,003 points this year. The record
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: is 602 by the 2013 Peyton Manning-led Denver Broncos. So
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: they're in a position to smash that record if they
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: score 59 every game.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: So you did 59 times 17, essentially, is what you did, huh?
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: On your iPhone.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Well done, Stu. Well done.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: No, but you acted like you were writing it down on.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: A piece of paper.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: No.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Mike, if you won't give us Caleb Williams might be
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: the greatest quarterback ever, you could at least give us
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Ben Johnson might be the greatest coach ever.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe. No. You know what? He's a head coach now,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: so he's responsible for the entire team. Let's see what
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: that defense does. A defense ain't going to let you.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Rarely can you live two years in a row off turnovers.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Their defense rankings last year were not good, but they
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: led the lead with 33 takeaways. You can't bank on
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: that two years in a row. They're going to need
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to score a lot of points.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I'm with Taylor on this.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: 30 years from now, we'll be playing for the Johnson Trophy,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: not the Lombardi Trophy.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: How about that?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Why do I do this to myself? We love you, bud.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So I am getting carried away if I say Caleb
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: is the greatest quarterback we've ever seen. Mike, the biggest
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: compliment I can hand my New York Jets and Mikey's
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: New York Jets, they look competent.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: They looked organized.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, they do have veterans on that team. I mean,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: it's not like they just Miami Dolphined it and got
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: rid of everybody and are younger. I mean, they have
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: some talent on that team. They just have to figure out,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: start by who their quarterback's going to be. You know,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: is Geno Smith going to have a really good year
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: and they're going to think, oh, well, wait, maybe, wait.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: But I don't think so. But that's something that needs
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: to get settled.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: The AFC is so much fun. Mike, I hope we
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: see this play out. All four of these quarterbacks just
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: staying healthy for the entire season. Burrow, Allen, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see those four kind of go at
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: it in the playoffs. Three of them need to get
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a ring. One of them already has a ton. But
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: they're just such fascinating, entertaining players, and I want to
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: see them match up in the playoffs, you know?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I agree. And who else is going to
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: jump into the mix? Right. You know, does C.J. Stroud,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: you know, jump back into the mix? You know, that's possible.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: It's tough to think of any other quarterbacks. Drake May, maybe?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Who's that? Oh, Drake May?
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Drake May, possibly. And now losing A.J. Brown for a
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: bit certainly hinders that. But, yeah, I mean, you love
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: to see in big games great players play. And you
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: mentioned all the great players. So we'll see.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: All right, Mike, we appreciate it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: The goal is 10 to noon Eastern every day on
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: ESPN Radio.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: He's got Notre Dame football. We're waiting for them to
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: play someone good. Oh, ho, ho.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: What? Wait a minute.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: What happened there?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Well, who have you played?
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I mean. Well, listen, they don't play any FCS teams.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: So. When you're playing any Texas States or UTSAs of
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: What's the first game you're concerned about on the schedule here?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: It's not this weekend. I mean, I think they have,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: if you look at it realistically, three tough ones, SMU, Miami,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: and BYU, whatever order they play in. Carolina? Those are.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Carolina in Chapel Hill.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: And two, I'm just going to forget that. And then
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: two of the three games I mentioned are at home.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: SMU is at Notre Dame. Miami is at Notre Dame. So,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: you know, BYU is on the road. Yes. I'm not
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: going to acknowledge that.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: This is a kind man. He's a great person. He's
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: a good friend. He's a family man. He's not mean
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to anyone. But holy shit, have you pissed Mike Golick off, Taylor.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: He has dismissed you more than I've ever heard him
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: dismiss anyone in my entire life. I've known him for
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: 20 years.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: It all started with the Uncle Rico comment of saying
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: he could have gained 1,000 yards at Carolina if he
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: were behind Patrick Ricard.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: It's nice to see a fullback kind of get all
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: this praise, you know. It's been a while.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: He's a 300-pound fullback. It's unfair. It is unfair to
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: see him going to the second and third level to
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: block somebody.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: All right, Mike, get out of here. We appreciate it.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Check him out, 10 to noon Eastern, ESPN Radio, Notre
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Dame football on Saturday, and NFL football on Sunday. His
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: wife is the real winner.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: That's true. Thanks, guys. Thank you, Mike.