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EDP36: Valencia Half / Burnie 10 / Dublin Marathon / Chepngetich gets 3 years / New York preview · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast episode 36.
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  I'm joined as always by Owen Smith and Dean Menzies.
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  But this time we record on a Monday evening back to the
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  original slot thanks to Owen moving countries.
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  Music. So I'll bring him in now to tell
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  us where he is. For nationals now, just to try
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  and lock in a little S Yeah, in the sunny Spain.
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  It's nice to like I'm back in Perth.
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  Unreal. How warm actually is it?
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  It's a 20 to 23° currently, which is like just nice for
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  running. Like it's not too warmer.
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  It's perfect. Yeah.
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  Well, looking forward to hearing what you've been up to because
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  you had your late year race last weekend as well, didn't you?
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  So we'll get to that later, yeah.
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  And Dean Menzies, how are you doing on a Monday evening?
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  How's this working for you? Good mate, kids are asleep so
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  yeah, no complaints that's for sure.
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  Quiet House, how I like it. Yeah, happy days.
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  We've got a huge agenda lined up today.
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  We've got Valencia Half Marathon went on, Dublin Marathon went
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  on, Bernie 10 happened in Tasmania and then a few of the
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  results popping up here and there as well.
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  So I guess we'll just dive straight into it.
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  And then I would Owen, do you want to tell us, tell us about
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  your race before we go into some results?
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  Yeah, well, I go through my week train.
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  Yeah. Oh, I just thought your dice.
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  Yeah. Trainer was meddling anyway.
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  Now, because we, yeah, we, we see in the training last week,
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  didn't we? And we just.
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  Yeah, yeah, we just missed something.
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  Yeah. So it was all day autumn open
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  invitation or something like that.
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  It's basically like the first like main cross country race of
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  the year. And I think it's got like a
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  bronze label attached to it so you can get some points or
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  something like that. But yeah, it was 8 Ki want to
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  say 7 1/2 AK. I think it was AK and it was
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  again, course was like undulating.
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  So I just forgot like how a cross country start was like
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  you're literally like 100 abroad, like on the start line
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  and then the gun goes and it's just like a free for all and
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  like it's so fun, but it's just chaotic in that pack at the
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  very, very start. And my goal was to just sit at
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  the back of that lead pack and then you're just like getting
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  pushed, put your hand out, stopping yourself from falling
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  and just waiting for people to drop off.
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  So it was, it was basically 6 laps.
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  So there was 4 big laps and then 21K laps.
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  So yeah, it was AK. And yeah, the first two laps
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  were just chaotic, just in the middle of 2030 odd lads and just
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  waiting from drop off. And they slowly did drop off and
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  I think whittled it down to like 8.
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  And I was just hanging on the back and it was weird under foot
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  because some parts were like grassy, so it was lovely.
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  And then other parts it was like super, super mucky and like so
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  you had to sort of like just guess what?
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  Spikes. So I think I wore 12 mil spikes.
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  Like in the mucky parts you could have wore 15 mil, but then
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  they would have been too long for the grass parts.
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  So you sort of have to just take 1.
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  So I just on 12 mil and umm yeah, held on and on the last
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  lap I was in 6th and the lad in front of me, he slipped going
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  around the corner. Umm he was like 5 minutes ahead
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  of me. So then when he got up I was
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  sort of like just behind him and I said to myself off I don't go
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  now like he's going to sort of like recover.
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  So I sort of went to go by him and I got by him and then like
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  coming down the home straight, I just had like nothing left and
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  like he's like a 13 high 5K guy. So he just zoomed by me.
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  And then this like masters athlete, he's like 42 years old.
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  He flew by me as well. He came from so deep and sort of
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  hopefully yeah, did. Yeah.
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  And so I came like 7th in the end.
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  But it was really, it was a good result.
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  Like I'd say coming into the race I could have been like a
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  like 18th fastest or 20th fastest.
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  So I'm like a top 15 would have been really good.
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  So to come seven and yeah, it's given me a lot of confidence
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  that I'm getting fit. So now I'm going to be out here
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  in Spain for two weeks and then like I'm home, it's going to be
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  two weeks before nationals. So yeah, that's where I'm sort
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  of looking towards now. And cross country itself like
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  fun. Oh so fun.
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  It's way better than track. And how many people like just
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  for context, like how many people were in it, I to start
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  off with, what was that first Sprint?
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  Did I? Share a picture No, I didn't and
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  I'm not sure how many are. Look at the results now.
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  But you talk. It was like 1.
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  Somewhere 50 to 100 sort of, or 100 plus.
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  Yeah, easily. Yeah, because they don't.
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  Masters, senior and under 20 were all together.
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  And oh, sorry, and so this masters athlete he was, he was
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  actually not necessarily in competition with you as well or.
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  Well he was so 3 under under 23 athletes beat me.
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  So I was actually her senior, I think secretary senior, yeah.
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  And there's few young lads actually won.
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  The lad who won it is like A1325K guy.
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  He's really, really good and. Yeah.
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  So, but no, yeah, I'd say 100 odd people in the race.
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  And so yeah, it was chaotic at the start, but I haven't ran a
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  race like that in ages. So yeah, it was good feedback.
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  Do you have you? Did you wear your watch?
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  No, no point cross country. I think it's so irrelevant.
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  Like after the race I was changing my spikes and into my
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  trainers and like this young lad was going through his like heart
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  rate stats and all with his with his like father or something.
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  But like it's so irrelevant because it's undulating.
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  The under foot is so bad. And like I think I average like
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  three O 8 for the big laps and then three O 2 for the for the
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  1K laps at the end, the two smaller laps.
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  But you can't say I picked up the pace because it was it was
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  less smoky on them shorter laps and there wasn't a big pull on
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  it. So like paces are so irrelevant.
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  It's really it's really to effort.
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  Yeah, how? I don't understand how you're
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  supposed to draw any conclusion from it from like heart rate or
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  anything. But what you don't in the lead
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  up sounds like the most sensible thing.
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  You'd look at the PBS of the people around you who finished
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  just ahead and just behind maybe, and you determine how
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  well you've done based on that, I guess.
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  Basically, yeah. And just like have your eyes on
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  some people and you should in theory be around them.
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  And there's, some people are stronger across country, some
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  people are weaker across country, but you have a fair
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  idea of where you should be. So, umm, yeah, splitting like
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  heart rate data, like even heart rate data in our, like in our
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  competition, like I feel like it's so irrelevant because
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  you're never going to like mimic them conditions and training.
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  Like you're obviously going to be more angsty and, umm, nervous
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  and all during a race. So your heart rate might spike.
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  Umm. But yeah.
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  Anyway, that's just my opinion. But yeah, that was good.
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  And if you're Dean, you'll be caffeined up to your eyeballs
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  anyway, so there's an extra 5 beats on it straight away, yeah.
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  Exactly. I think he had a few things
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  helping him out, but we can talk about them another time.
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  All legal. Oh yeah, nothing until.
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  Oh, well, that's good. Thanks for that.
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  And I was checking Strava keenly to see how you got on.
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  And based on what you said in terms of what your expectation,
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  you kind of outperformed, didn't you really?
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  Yeah, I feel like I've made a jump in fitness recently.
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  And so yeah, basically I just need to keep a lid on things and
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  then don't get carried away and just keep on doing the little
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  recovery things in the evenings and just keeping the body right.
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  Because I'll just be, I'll just do my own downfall basically if
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  I just like push it that a little bit more.
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  It's a training camp. You got to train harder, not
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  smarter. Yes, as a wise man once said,
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  sometimes you do a marathon to see them.
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  Yeah. Well, Speaking of, have you,
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  have you been following some of that content recently?
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  No, he's crazy. Like he's actually lost him.
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  Like a marathon in like 217 in the midst of a 250K week and
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  like, I don't know, there's just some outrageous stuff in there.
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  And then he's doing more like some of that sort of VO2 work as
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  well. Have you noticed like some
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  faster 4 hundreds in amongst some massive days?
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  It's yeah, it's good. It's good viewing.
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  Phenomenal. What what he's able to withstand
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  or his body's able to withstand it's.
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  Crazy. It's crazy how his buddy can
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  hold up after all that. Like he just makes a tube.
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  Like he trained. Like you're done a training
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  session and run a 217 marathon. Yeah, this is rented Japan for
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  anyone that's not aware. But like, and when he's he
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  writes like a a good amount of a caption for a lot of it.
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  And often it's referred to as legs heavy and stuff like that.
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  And you're like, I can't imagine what like if he I know the
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  feeling of like legs being heavy and tired.
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  Like what must those legs feel like?
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  Yeah, like Jet like actual like is there any like ability to
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  contract left? Like it would just be.
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  And then because he's doing these like 5K efforts and like
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  like for like for shorter fast races and like asking his body
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  for a lot and like sometimes it's not sort of sticking and
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  you're like, I'm not, you know, once it got left, it's, it's it
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  just cops a beating. But hey, he backs it up.
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  It's very impressive. It was the one.
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  Was it like only last week where he'd done that half marathon?
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  It didn't go amazingly. And then he's doing 6 by AK that
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  evening. Yeah.
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  And then, yeah. And then like I watched one of
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  the the videos with the the 5K race, wasn't there a 10K race
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  into a 5K race sort of just backing them up?
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  And yeah, it's very impressive. It's a good job Brooks have
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  given him free reins in terms of coaching and stuff, doing what
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  he wants to do. Because could you imagine if
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  they'd tried to assign a coach to him?
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  He probably wouldn't assigned. Hey, yeah, but then you could.
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  You could do look at it the other way if you had a coach and
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  like he had like crazy, well, he is very structured, unlike he
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  knows what he's doing, like he is performing unbelievable.
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  But if he actually had a coach and he pulled that back a little
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  bit, like would he be fresher? Could he be faster?
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  Like you never know. You've looked at two different
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  ways. I definitely think you'd be
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  fresher, but umm yeah. Phenomenal was such a good
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  follow. Umm, I can't remember where I
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  heard it sidetracking here, but about Brooks's new training shoe
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  being very good. I don't think it was Jake
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  mentioning. I think it was like another
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  channel that I thought I heard it on, but apparently it's like
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  a very, very good shoe. Was Chris, so I think saying it,
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  is it like the daily trainer one, like the easy run type
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  shoe? Yeah, so it's got me in piqued
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  my interest in Brooks shoes again because I've, I've not
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  been on them for a while. Used to wear them as a kid all
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  the time. What's it called?
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  Does she? I don't know actually, to be
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  fair, Hyperion. Or something, I don't know.
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  No, it was, it was something, a version of the ghost, like the
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  ghost something. Oh, of course, I'm sure Ghost
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  Max. Yeah, potentially anyway.
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  Anyway, Indeed, I should mention as well, the Joe Wigfield
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  interview came out some point during last week, so apologies
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  for anyone who struggles to understand me, because you would
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  have just had 90 minutes struggling to understand either
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  of us, and probably also trying to decipher who was Speaker A
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  and who was Speaker B Yeah, when we're talking about times like
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  28 minutes for 10K and 62 minutes for 1/2 marathon, that's
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  definitely not me. Yet.
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  No, but I really enjoyed that chat, like speaking to him about
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  his progression as a junior and then also kind of like the stuff
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  with Hoka was interesting. Like he signed and kind of
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  didn't join that team Macau, but he'd done a little bit erased.
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  He was on the start line when they were on the start line a
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  couple of times, but he's still doing his own training on the
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  side. So, I mean, he didn't say
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  explicitly, but you wonder whether there was like some
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  politics involved regarding him not resigning with them.
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  And then when he talked about when we're talking about YouTube
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  and he said he doesn't do it and because he hasn't got the time
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  or the funding. And obviously we speak about
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  YouTube Diaries a lot and we appreciate the content that
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  people are putting out. But that's kind of an aspect
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  which I guess we overlook like only the very fortunate athletes
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  are able to. Well, besides Jake, who does it
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  all himself to have this content produced for them because I
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  imagine it's costly from a monetary point of view and also
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  like the time and effort that goes into it.
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  And you do think that these athletes who do have the
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  channels now, it gives them a bit of a leg up, doesn't it, in
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  terms of like exposure with the brands and endorsements?
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  And so it's kind of like he's not him in particular, but
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  athletes who are like on the cusp.
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  They're probably not getting a deal from a brand, so they're
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  not getting salary that way. And they can't.
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  It's like, hard to make that jump, isn't it?
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  Yeah, but like. If.
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  You find it hard to believe that like is it is such a good
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  athlete how Brand hasn't picked him up and how Hocus would have
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  messed them about a bit. Like if he can't get a Brand,
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  like what hope does it give anyone?
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  Like he's yeah, I don't know. It's not fair.
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  He's, I didn't realise, like I hadn't connected the dots, but I
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  just remember him popping up on my Instagram feed when he broke
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  the tape at Manchester Half and just thinking I had to watch it
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  a couple of times because I'm like, did this guy actually win
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  the win the race? Or was it because you normally
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  don't associate someone with that?
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  Sort of because he has like what feels like it looks like a more
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  traditional 1500 meter build. But yeah, he's running and
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  breaking the tape ahead of these like sort of fairly lean looking
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  distance guys. He's sort of running away from
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  them at the back end of a marathon.
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  I remember like watching some of those reels and it's, I don't
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  know, it's very cool to see someone like looking so strong
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  and compact running that quickly over an endurance race.
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  So maybe off the back of that, a brand would notice that this
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  guy's maybe got quite a bit of potential depending on where he
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  wants to go with it. Or be it that he seems pretty
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  set on focusing on the shorter stuff, because it sounds like
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  that's what he likes to do the most.
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  On the reel, it looks like he's proper shutting it down as well,
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  coming over the line, doesn't it?
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  He's like, it makes you wonder looking at these Valencia
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  results, like you can't automatically say he would have
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  run faster, but there would have been the opportunity to pet
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  potentially go a little bit faster.
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  So it would have been cool for him to be in that field against
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  some of these other probe rats who we'll talk about later on as
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  we get to the results. But yeah, worth a listen and
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  keen for anyone's feedback, whether that just be some
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  translations or what you picked up from the chat.
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  Also, something before we go into the results, something I've
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  seen on Twitter and I was like, is this just click base because
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  I've seen it and I was just rattled.
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  Like it was a question from like I think it was a running
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  influence that I with the blue tech on Twitter X and he posed
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  is the 100 mile world record, which is 10 hours and 51
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  minutes. I think it was.
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  So I had to go away and do the maths for the pace.
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  It works out as 4 minutes and three seconds per kilometer for
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  100 miles or 161 K. Is that more impressive or
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  Kipchogi's break in two? And I was like, surely it's not
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  a legit question. Clicked into the replies and
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  most people are saying the ultra 100 mile world record is more
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  impressive. That makes sense to me.
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  Not at all. What are you talking about?
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  No, it's like that. That doesn't make a lot of
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  sense. Like I think with a lot of the
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  like longer distances, like they're sort of not.
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  It's like a new when you invent a new sport, it's not yet solved
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  and therefore the opportunity to improve it is greater.
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  Whereas once something's been done and done and done for such
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  a long time and you've had such high quality athletes doing it
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  for a long period of time, it's very hard to take it forward.
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  And so for these guys that were able to take it down to two
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  minutes, yet people have been trying to run this race for such
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  a long period of time, that goes to show that it's pretty
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  exceptional. Like how many fast 100 mile
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  races even are there and how many really high quality
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  athletes are doing them? Wouldn't think many like, yeah,
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  so whoever just ran the 100K record it in what, whatever it
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  was, 3 1/2 minute K pace. But that same athlete, I suspect
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  if they applied themselves to the 160 K distance, would
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  probably beat it as well. Well, they took 5 minutes off
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  the 100K record the other week. They'd probably be able to do
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  similar if not more on that in my view, Yeah.
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  Yeah, and you imagine the the people who are doing who,
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  whoever this 100 mile world record holder is, he would have
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  run a marathon earlier on in his career, probably reached his
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  ceiling, hence why he's moved up the distances.
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  But he would have run and now you'd imagine somewhere 2:20 to
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  2:30. So that's just 1,000,000 miles
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  apart from what Kipchogi done and the pro marathon runners
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  never run these ultra crazy distances.
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  But you imagine if Kipchoge or someone of the like who is able
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  to hold sub three minute KS for 42 applied themselves running 4
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  minutes. AK would be they could probably
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  do it for 36 hours straight. Whilst we're on the topic, and I
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  know it didn't quite make it the final cut of the agenda, but I
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  was hoping to to make a mention of something that I did follow
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  during the week, which was the Backyard Ultra Individual World
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  Championships. So for those that aren't
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  familiar with it and it's not something we traditionally
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  cover, but it's at the start of every.
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  So the race starts and you have an hour to complete a 6.7
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  kilometre loop, and then on the strike of the next hour you if
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  you're not in the corral, you're a DNF.
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  But those that line up then have the next hour to complete the
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  same loop and it goes on and on and on until there's one person
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  left. And Australia does quite well
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  into like internationally and in particular there's a Perth based
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  runner who we know at least Ryan and I called Phil Gore and he
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  won it. And he's quite, I think he holds
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  the, well, he does hold the the world record for the most number
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  of laps, which I think is 119 or they call them yards.
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  But yeah, 119 * 6.7 is a lot. So this basically went on for.
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  So this World Championships, it's the, the host of it or the
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  inventor of it, should I say, hosted the World Championships
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  in the US and it went for almost 5 days.
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  And I sort of liken it, you know, Test match cricket.
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  I don't know if you ever, you know how like the, it's never
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  decided, you know, OO often it's not decided over a, an over or a
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  ball or even an innings. It's sort of, you know, it spans
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  5 days and it sort of ebbs and flows and there's this backyard
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  ultra scene. So they live streamed it and
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  they had commentary for 90% of it.
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  And I was quite, yeah, like drawn into it because it's sort
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  of, you know, it's going to have a crescendo at some point.
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  There's going to only be a few left.
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  But I literally had say 60 or 70 of the best men and women that
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  do this and put them in a in a race together and yeah, said
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  see, let's see who the last person standing is.
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  And I'd watch it, I'd tune into it at night, I tune into it
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  during the day. And these people are literally
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  getting up every hour on the hour for five days.
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  And yeah, Perth's field goal won it.
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  And I was, yeah, I was hooked. I really enjoyed it.
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  I must admit I had zero knowledge of this until moving
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  to Perth and then even when I first heard of it I didn't.
• 22:07
  I didn't think I understand, appreciated the the difficulty
• 22:11
  of it. And then when you do the maths.
• 22:13
  So if they're running 6.7 K lap every hour in 124 hour period,
• 22:20
  that's 160 KS. So they're running for four
• 22:23
  marathons in a day, and then they're doing that for five days
• 22:26
  straight with a maximum window of about 20 minutes in every
• 22:33
  hour to either have something to eat, try and have a nap, or I
• 22:38
  don't imagine they're prioritizing cleaning.
• 22:41
  But yes, imagine the mental state that you must be in after
• 22:45
  five days. That, like the physical part of
• 22:49
  doing it is one thing, but. Yeah, because I think even if
• 22:52
  you're up for, I don't know if it's like 18 hours, you start to
• 22:55
  register almost like being slightly drunk.
• 22:58
  And so like, I think a lot of the issue that they fall into is
• 23:02
  not their physical ability, but their mind just goes on them and
• 23:08
  they start hallucinating and they people get picked up on one
• 23:11
  of the loops because I've just, yeah, they've just sort of lost
• 23:15
  their marbles a bit. But I don't know if it was a
• 23:18
  fascinating race. I don't.
• 23:19
  Yeah, I don't know. It's a bit of a side discussion,
• 23:23
  but something that certainly caught my captured my attention
• 23:28
  over the week on YouTube. So if Phil Gore ended up
• 23:31
  winning? He did, yeah.
• 23:33
  So he was the last man, Sandy, a Belgian guy who literally for
• 23:36
  the last three or four hours was making it on my in 59 minutes
• 23:40
  and then just getting pushed back out there, grabbing some
• 23:42
  food, pushed back out there. I think the American guy who is
• 23:48
  the reigning world champion, Harvey Lewis I think is his
• 23:51
  name. He finished third.
• 23:53
  But he turns out he posted I think maybe today or yesterday
• 23:55
  that he'd broken a couple of ribs because they they do a day
• 23:58
  loop, which is through trails and it's quite there's a bit of
• 24:02
  up and down like ascending and descending to do, But then
• 24:06
  that's two treacherous at night. So they do a road loop at night,
• 24:09
  but I think he fell during the day and cracked a couple of
• 24:11
  ribs. So that sort of put him out of
• 24:14
  it. But Phil, who looks he's very
• 24:16
  like textbook and comes in in good time.
• 24:18
  Like I think physically was really well conditioned, but
• 24:21
  basically he was getting so tired.
• 24:22
  Like when he spoke afterwards, he was not very coherent.
• 24:26
  So even though he presented like he had it all together, I think
• 24:28
  he's mind was really playing tricks on him.
• 24:31
  So I think he was just about gassed as well.
• 24:34
  But he had a good poker face, which was enough to get it done.
• 24:37
  Fair enough. Well done.
• 24:39
  I wouldn't say nothing, so I'm going to take that as if you, if
• 24:42
  you've got nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.
• 24:45
  Oh, fair fight on. I couldn't imagine running for
• 24:48
  like, was it 4 to 5 days? Yeah.
• 24:52
  Like off an hour like it was. Yeah, no, I need my sleep.
• 24:55
  I'm precious. You and me both, I couldn't like
• 24:59
  I wouldn't do well at day tops. You know, you know that even if
• 25:02
  you did like the competitiveness buried deep down inside you, you
• 25:06
  would try and take it seriously as well.
• 25:08
  And then you just end up torturing yourself and also
• 25:12
  probably perform. And shockingly, compared to some
• 25:14
  of these people who can't even run probably within like 3
• 25:19
  minutes of you over a 5K or something, we have one result
• 25:23
  from last week which we missed due to the early record.
• 25:25
  So this guy has been on our watch list and he's featured
• 25:28
  recently on YouTube Diaries. So the the Amsterdam Marathon
• 25:31
  happened and Phil Sussman ran there.
• 25:33
  So if you've been following his YouTube, he's explained that
• 25:37
  he's doing Valencia Marathon in December and on the way he was
• 25:41
  set to race Amsterdam last week and he was looking to take a
• 25:44
  small PB there and then build into Valencia on the back of
• 25:47
  that. And he's actually this was PB
• 25:50
  going in was 2O8O4 and he's end up running two O 718.
• 25:55
  So he's he's run a comfortable PB and look at his splits and
• 26:00
  they're almost like metronomic. There was no kind of like blow
• 26:04
  up. If anything, he was probably
• 26:05
  closing a little bit harder than what he went out in.
• 26:09
  So bodes very well for him for Valencia, although I'm scared
• 26:13
  he's going to like overcook it now because clearly all the
• 26:17
  ingredients are there and his his pies bacon nicely already.
• 26:21
  I don't want him to just go and whack the temperature up on the
• 26:23
  oven and end up with a crusty pie.
• 26:26
  But we'll see because he's he's run 220K this week on the week
• 26:31
  after it. And I think he mentioned in his
• 26:34
  in his video, he's like, so now I'm going to double down like
• 26:38
  more more longer, harder sessions, longer long runs.
• 26:43
  And is I think he wanted to run 2O6 originally and Valencia is
• 26:49
  now thinking could that start with A5?
• 26:53
  So and now keep a lid on it, Phil.
• 26:58
  Watch is made of Joshua chapter guy the team kill ever like now,
• 27:02
  like 2O four is still a very good marathon.
• 27:05
  But for like the large who ran like the world record for like
• 27:10
  the five K 10K like you'd presume you could pull a
• 27:13
  marathon like a really really fast marathon together.
• 27:16
  But do you think like that's just his limit?
• 27:18
  Yeah, I don't I some of the track guys aren't, don't seem
• 27:23
  that like super efficient, you know, like even like Mo Farah,
• 27:26
  you know, like you just look at them and they look so bouncy and
• 27:30
  elastic and can kick down and they look so good on the track
• 27:33
  and then they get to the road and they just don't look so
• 27:37
  super efficient. I don't think like whereas like
• 27:39
  say, like say Kip Limo, he does look really good on the road and
• 27:43
  like he he looks so compact and smooth and then he try he goes
• 27:47
  to the road looks good. Even like peculiar like when
• 27:51
  those guys get rid, like those little Ethiopians often look
• 27:53
  good when they get onto the road, whereas some of the like
• 27:56
  bouncier guys don't seem to look that good.
• 27:58
  So I don't know unless, unless there's a suggestion that he's
• 28:02
  just not, it's something else. But my my thought is
• 28:05
  mechanically, maybe that's what's limiting him.
• 28:08
  It's the the short stride and the high cadence, isn't it?
• 28:11
  That seems to be what lends itself to the top marathoners.
• 28:14
  I think so. But yeah, I think that's a third
• 28:16
  crack at it. Maybe it is improving slightly
• 28:19
  with each one. But obviously as you say with
• 28:21
  this the ceiling and there's five and 10K, you would expect
• 28:25
  maybe by now he'd be a little bit lower than 204 high do.
• 28:29
  You think he's just washed? No, I just think he hasn't like
• 28:35
  I know like on the day so much can happen.
• 28:37
  He just hasn't had like a good day.
• 28:40
  And no saying this will probably come out next time around like
• 28:43
  201 or something or two hours flat.
• 28:46
  And but yeah, I just it's weird way he's such a good track
• 28:50
  athlete and he just can't string it together on the roads.
• 28:52
  What has he run for half, do you know?
• 28:56
  I don't think in the 50 sevens, could be wrong, I'll check.
• 28:59
  He's set his stall out now though, hasn't he?
• 29:01
  So he it's not as if he can probably go back and stop, run
• 29:05
  the five and the 10K on the track.
• 29:06
  Still, he's committed to the marathon.
• 29:09
  So we'll we'll find out in the next couple of years because I'm
• 29:12
  sure he'll have three or four more cracks in.
• 29:14
  It 5949. He ran in 2024.
• 29:19
  So that doesn't even that's miles off it as well, isn't it?
• 29:21
  If you think of Kajal Chef running 5730 like he's a track 5
• 29:26
  and 10K runner. So to be two minutes off the
• 29:30
  half conversion even is like a big gap straightaway, isn't it?
• 29:35
  She's trying to convert something that's not really
• 29:37
  there, even over the half. And then 2023 he ran a 62 in New
• 29:42
  York that in 2024 that M5946 half was in Delhi, New Delhi and
• 29:49
  India. So I don't know if that's
• 29:51
  renowned for being fast or anything.
• 29:57
  So. No.
• 29:58
  So yeah, he actually hasn't really strong like exceptional
• 30:03
  now, even though like 59 is pretty exceptional but like for
• 30:06
  him. A minute off the European
• 30:07
  record. And start throwing shades.
• 30:09
  It was shade. Those Europeans, we're about to
• 30:11
  celebrate them so that I guess that takes us to Valencia then
• 30:16
  before I go through the results, I wanted to ask, did you see
• 30:20
  some of the shakeout runs that I think it was its runners nerd on
• 30:24
  Instagram maybe was posting they got access to join.
• 30:28
  I think it was Kajalcha and Omgren.
• 30:30
  And did you see the paces that they're doing their easy
• 30:33
  shakeout at? Yeah.
• 30:35
  Outrageous. I think Kajal Chew was 348 for
• 30:39
  maybe it was even a 10K run as well, or at least 8K and Om Grim
• 30:44
  was like 336 or 34 for 6K. And the guy, the Instagram
• 30:52
  account has videoed it as well and it I kind of testify that
• 30:56
  it's definitely easy. Like they're absolutely just
• 30:58
  breezing along, aren't they? But it just shows.
• 31:03
  Looking at looking at Alan grin in the half like running like
• 31:06
  240 highs per kilometer like he just looks so smooth like he can
• 31:11
  hold it forever and so sort of makes sense that he can jog 336.
• 31:18
  And what was he didn't he did he post during the week or was it
• 31:23
  last week him doing those 20 by 400 off?
• 31:27
  Was it 3030 seconds in 62 point something seconds and his
• 31:33
  lactate levels were by under? Finished the workout and it was
• 31:36
  like 3.5 or something So just silly silly fast.
• 31:43
  And he even when he does the test, he, he looks at it and
• 31:46
  goes like a funny face, doesn't he?
• 31:48
  As if like what the? Fuck, it's good, yeah.
• 31:51
  Did you see the the clip of an aged very well?
• 31:56
  An interviewer asked what will it take for a European to go
• 32:01
  under 59 minutes for the half marathon and he said three days.
• 32:07
  Wow. Yeah, and he was right.
• 32:12
  What a response that is, by the way.
• 32:13
  Yeah, that's cool. That's well, let's do the
• 32:16
  results then because we'll chat about more, no doubt.
• 32:18
  So in the men's race, Yarmouth Kajal chaired the Ethiopian
• 32:22
  warned in 58 minutes and two seconds, followed by I don't
• 32:27
  know these two, to be fair, Rodrigue quiz era in 5838 and
• 32:33
  then Brian Keyboard from Kenya in 5839.
• 32:37
  So Kajal sure won comfortably there by over 30 seconds in the
• 32:42
  women's race going on. Did you, did you see Kajal?
• 32:46
  Did you actually? I watched the first like 15
• 32:48
  minutes and then I went for my run, for my long run.
• 32:51
  But he'd like dropped to pacemakers after like 14 minutes
• 32:55
  takes. He's crazy.
• 32:58
  Like like his country, woman the.
• 33:03
  Cigar. Cigar just, you know, brings in
• 33:06
  the pacemakers and then just burns past him.
• 33:08
  When I was when I was watching it, you think like Valencia half
• 33:12
  marathon, it's now renowned as being like one of the fastest
• 33:16
  half marathons in the world and attracts all these like insane
• 33:19
  top athletes. And then you look at him like
• 33:22
  miles off the front after 10 minutes.
• 33:25
  It's like the the gap between him and everyone else and the
• 33:30
  caliber of everyone else. It's just scary still.
• 33:34
  And you've seen him do this before on the track, though,
• 33:36
  haven't you? Like if he he chases a record,
• 33:39
  they'll go and do it by himself. And then comes a little bit
• 33:42
  unstuck towards the end. Yeah, you do wonder in a major
• 33:46
  championship if maybe like, would he not be better served
• 33:51
  just to to, to send it from the start and just, you know, you
• 33:56
  know, people will sit in and and he's giving up a bit of an
• 33:59
  advantage for them to do that, but maybe it'd be worth it.
• 34:02
  Yeah. So I think he's won this race
• 34:04
  the past two years in 57, in 5731.
• 34:08
  So he was going for his 5730 course record time and he was on
• 34:15
  pace for I think at least 10K through 10K.
• 34:17
  He was maybe 7 seconds under, I think it was 2730 and I think
• 34:23
  was his 10K splits, which is obscene in itself.
• 34:27
  And then as you say, he's he's out there by himself doing it.
• 34:30
  So kind of as the race progressed, he slowly slipped
• 34:34
  away. But as you can see from the
• 34:36
  margin to second, he obviously was very aware that he had a
• 34:39
  comfortable gap there and probably just started to manage
• 34:42
  his effort a little bit as to not end up completely blowing
• 34:45
  and not winning the race. Because I mean, you don't know
• 34:48
  what goes into like the contracts and the appearances
• 34:50
  and all that sort of stuff, but you imagine there's a shit ton
• 34:53
  of pressure for these guys to go out and chase course records, if
• 34:57
  not world records, as you've seen with the the women's
• 35:01
  winner. So she Agnes neglected.
• 35:03
  She won in 60 three O 8, which her PB was 4 seconds quicker
• 35:08
  than that. And the world record was 6252,
• 35:13
  so only 16 seconds quicker than that.
• 35:16
  So clearly that race had been set up for her and anyone else
• 35:20
  who fancied it to go and chase the world record and it wasn't
• 35:24
  quite to be for them. The woman who finished second
• 35:27
  was in Ethiopian 40 N Sefi in 6510.
• 35:32
  So Agnes has won by 2 / 2 minutes.
• 35:35
  They're absolutely destroyed them.
• 35:37
  And in third was Veronic Lilayo in 6546, all the results of
• 35:43
  relevancy then. So as we just mentioned there,
• 35:46
  Andres Holmgren actually ran the European record and that had
• 35:49
  been standing since 2019, which is obviously still recent
• 35:54
  history. But regarding some of these
• 35:56
  records now, the way the fall and week on week, probably one
• 35:59
  of the oldest on the on the charts, huge season from green
• 36:05
  medals in the 10. Was it the 1010 thousand, wasn't
• 36:10
  it? He got bronze and then yeah, he
• 36:12
  was going for it in the 5000. But the heat, whatever got to
• 36:16
  him. And then fair play to him.
• 36:18
  He's obviously doubled down on the train and stayed in the game
• 36:23
  and came away with the European record and a half marathon here.
• 36:26
  Think I was looking at it as well.
• 36:27
  So he now obviously is the national record holder.
• 36:30
  He was already and he's now the national record holder by over 2
• 36:35
  1/2 minutes, the second past the Swede.
• 36:39
  Who's second? I can't remember the name but it
• 36:41
  was like 61 minutes something. So potentially we wouldn't know
• 36:44
  them because they're Swedish as well.
• 36:46
  The existing European record holder was Swiss guy Julian
• 36:52
  Wonders. So the time was 5930 and I think
• 36:57
  and bizarrely the the race in which that record was run was a
• 37:01
  UAE half marathon. And whenever I see them on like
• 37:04
  World Athletics and stuff, I never consider that to be an
• 37:08
  insanely fast race. I don't know if I'm just wrong
• 37:10
  there but I always attach heat to it because the UAE but
• 37:14
  clearly can get a good one. He was, He spent time living and
• 37:20
  training in Kenya back in the day.
• 37:23
  I just remember content or him sort of spending time there and
• 37:28
  then coming and racing well. Did he ever convert to a good
• 37:32
  marathon? Not like or not not that I
• 37:35
  recall like I remember like I think he, I think he had a few
• 37:39
  cracks at it, but I think he's half stood out more than that.
• 37:41
  I don't remember him running like 205 or anything. 206 or
• 37:45
  anything could be I could be wrong.
• 37:46
  One of the crazy observations you make from this is obviously
• 37:50
  Omron's the first European to break 59 there, but how many
• 37:56
  Africans would have broken 59? There's probably a fair few and
• 38:00
  it wouldn't really be that much of a big deal if an African
• 38:04
  fella goes out and runs 58 high, 58 mid, whatever.
• 38:09
  But then when it actually comes down to the races where the
• 38:12
  medals are up for grabs, the Europeans are able to compete
• 38:15
  against them in that sense, but they just can't quite time trial
• 38:19
  like them yet. There was a hell of a lot of
• 38:21
  Brits further down the field as well as well.
• 38:25
  The first home was actually the Irish guy Ephraim G Day.
• 38:30
  So he beat Alfie Mann, Thor, he beat Charles Wheeler, he beat
• 38:34
  Alex Yee, he beat Ben Connor and then from an Australian point of
• 38:38
  view, James Whelan and Isaac Hayne.
• 38:40
  So yeah, good day. Around 6102.
• 38:43
  Yeah, I don't know if he he probably would have been looking
• 38:45
  to get under 61 seeing that amount.
• 38:50
  Fertile curtain got under 61 in Copenhagen, but still like
• 38:55
  running 61 for for 1/2 is it's getting up there and like like
• 39:02
  he came 13, which you can't really complain with that.
• 39:07
  Like the people who bet them are all crazy crazy, but that late.
• 39:10
  So yeah, fair play. Yeah, especially to be beating
• 39:14
  all those other Brits as well. No doubt.
• 39:16
  There's like a competition within the competition there, if
• 39:20
  you like. And Alfie Mann Thorpe has come
• 39:22
  out on top of the Brits alone, which is potentially a bit of a
• 39:26
  surprise as well because I don't know if people know who he is.
• 39:30
  He's the guy who I think he's sold track star now or he's
• 39:33
  stepped away from it at least. But if anyone's familiar with
• 39:36
  that page on Instagram, which I'm sure a lot of you will be,
• 39:39
  he was the the man behind that for a while.
• 39:42
  And now he's running 6126. So he's going pretty well in his
• 39:46
  pursuit of the professional athlete lifestyle.
• 39:50
  Did you see he was like, not bad for like a content creator or
• 39:55
  something like that because he posts a lot on on social media.
• 40:00
  I don't know why, but I mean, I feel like they're like
• 40:03
  professional athletes are like, oh, you shouldn't do that or
• 40:07
  like, you don't need to do that. Like it's source of income fraud
• 40:10
  because he doesn't have a brand behind him.
• 40:11
  I think he does have that 24/7, but he doesn't have like a shoe
• 40:14
  brand. So yeah, I know.
• 40:15
  I like what he's doing. And like, again, 6126 is just
• 40:20
  ridiculously fast. 255 per kilometer.
• 40:24
  Yeah. Not fair play, Alfie.
• 40:25
  Yeah, I've, I've noticed that 24/7 represent thing.
• 40:29
  I reckon he's probably getting a decent wage out of that because
• 40:32
  the guy who earns that, that George Heaton isn't it.
• 40:34
  He's absolutely loaded. And I think Alfie does like some
• 40:38
  sort of coaching integration with them now.
• 40:41
  And they've got, I don't know how official it is, but there's
• 40:44
  some sort of pure involvement from some point of view as well.
• 40:48
  Yeah, and he warned them fast or threes.
• 40:51
  I'd love to get my hands on a pair of them for there's 10K in
• 40:54
  Valencia. If I'm still fit then I'd love
• 40:57
  to race and then they look fast. You'll have to get Joe's contact
• 41:01
  at PMM. Reach out for some some race
• 41:04
  kit. I think there's a big difference
• 41:06
  between me and Joe. Now to be fair, they might give
• 41:10
  me one pair or the laces off them.
• 41:12
  A pair with 200K in. Yeah.
• 41:15
  Alex Yi there back in 196129. I think he, I haven't seen
• 41:20
  directly the quotes, but I think he was maybe somewhat
• 41:23
  disappointed with that. I was hoping to go a little bit
• 41:26
  quicker and no doubt Isaac Hayne, the Australian will be a
• 41:31
  little bit disappointed with that as well because he already
• 41:33
  has a PB of like over a minute quicker than that.
• 41:37
  But I think, I'm not too familiar with James slash Jimmy
• 41:41
  Whelan, but it seems like that result is kind of come out the
• 41:45
  blue. I think he used, he was a former
• 41:47
  professional cyclist. He's not long turned to running
• 41:50
  and he's able to do that, which is makes you feel sick really.
• 41:57
  What's going to be you boys when you come back just banging out
• 41:59
  of 60? One, I'm the flip side when you
• 42:02
  when you see me in the Tour in five years.
• 42:05
  Oh, he was a former runner, around 67.
• 42:07
  Half. I tell you.
• 42:09
  Oh, and he was. He certainly had thoughts like
• 42:12
  that when we were heading through Shelley on on Saturday.
• 42:16
  There's there's a few Sprint intervals on the on the loop and
• 42:23
  I got the heads up for that Mount St. 1 Mounts Bay Rd. one
• 42:26
  last week. So I took off early and I think
• 42:30
  I don't know if it inspired Ryan or not.
• 42:31
  We haven't really spoken about it, but he did similar this
• 42:34
  week. So we, you meant it like you're
• 42:36
  sort of rolling turns and then it crescendos with a Sprint
• 42:38
  finish at the it's where you you'd be familiar as the
• 42:42
  previous record holder of the Shelley 10K run.
• 42:46
  But before you go, that's all I've got now.
• 42:52
  But but when you go out for that Shelley 10K before you do that
• 42:57
  U-turn before you go under the bridge there.
• 43:00
  That's sort of where the Sprint finishes for this and where
• 43:04
  we're probably about two KS out and Ryan's, like I think you
• 43:08
  said, Ryan, you weren't sure where it finishes, but you just
• 43:11
  sort of bugger. I'll just roll the dice.
• 43:13
  And so Alfie hops just straight off the front of the group.
• 43:16
  And I knew what he was doing and we weren't catching him quick
• 43:19
  enough. So then then I'm like, I don't
• 43:21
  want him to get away with this. So then I've hopped onto the
• 43:24
  front and dragged everyone up to catch him.
• 43:26
  And then as a result, that then sprinted off me to to to get the
• 43:31
  win. But we both sort of just ruined
• 43:35
  our own chances messing about with each other there.
• 43:38
  But bit of fun. Yeah, probably equivalent to in
• 43:43
  a 5K race, dropping your finishing kick with a kilometer
• 43:48
  or a mile to go. Yeah, but the killer thing with
• 43:51
  cycling this is we're learning the hard way.
• 43:53
  But like, so you can actually be 20% worse than someone and, and
• 43:59
  beat them because you just sit behind them the whole way.
• 44:02
  And then all you need is this slight differential to then go
• 44:05
  round them and then beat them at the end.
• 44:08
  And so it really means that whereas in running, if you're
• 44:11
  feeling good, you can just go around someone and drop them and
• 44:14
  you win. And so it feels quite nice.
• 44:16
  Whereas in cycling, they just reattach to your wheel and then
• 44:18
  you just spend all your bickies and then you're just in trouble.
• 44:22
  And so I think, I think Ryan probably felt that because there
• 44:25
  was a whole group just mowing him down as he's just, you're
• 44:28
  just punching into the headwind by himself.
• 44:31
  Yeah, it's good fun. Absolutely blew my quads up as
• 44:35
  well. This time I felt lactic acid
• 44:38
  over six months. And then he's like, I've got to
• 44:41
  go for a for a lake. And so he's popped, he's popped
• 44:45
  off. And then we do about 3 or 4
• 44:47
  different roundabouts and go down all these side roads and
• 44:50
  I'm like, all right, don't reckon I'll see him again, but
• 44:53
  he made it. As as I was stood there having a
• 44:56
  having a way just after that my legs were like genuinely
• 45:00
  trembling like this just pump the black and then the whilst
• 45:08
  was Speaking of it the last little Sprint, Dean copped A
• 45:12
  mouthful from one of the fellas for sitting on his wheel the
• 45:16
  whole time and then going round him at the end.
• 45:19
  Which I thought I'd literally. Yeah.
• 45:24
  I, I've never done that in running, why would I do that in
• 45:26
  cycling? But yeah, I got the chocolate,
• 45:31
  so whatever, I'll I'll wear the spray.
• 45:35
  It was funny though, as we're then riding off up the hill,
• 45:38
  like just chilling. There's like a bit of back and
• 45:41
  forth going on about like sitting on someone's wheel and
• 45:45
  like, what was it? What was the the point it was
• 45:48
  making? Like I'll what come and do some
• 45:49
  of the work or something. But you know what it's like if,
• 45:53
  if you don't want to be on the front, don't put yourself on the
• 45:56
  front like no one else Put them there.
• 45:57
  You put them themselves. And the issue with these groups,
• 46:00
  he's like I've taken turns this whole.
• 46:01
  Music and no. Turns and we're like too large.
• 46:04
  We can group on the front, but we we don't know.
• 46:08
  Probably, yeah. I think we we got a coffee with
• 46:13
  them afterwards. But then it's it's definitely
• 46:15
  like me and Dean and then the rest of the group.
• 46:19
  Yeah, I gotcha. I gotcha.
• 46:21
  But maybe we're we're bringing out some of the competitiveness
• 46:25
  that they didn't know was still there.
• 46:26
  So hopefully there's some benefits somewhere.
• 46:30
  That's good to shake things up. Yeah, I think we've temporarily
• 46:34
  lost Dean, but I'm sure he'll be back.
• 46:36
  Maybe he's he's rage switched his Wi-Fi off.
• 46:42
  The juice is flowing. I reckon we can go to Dublin
• 46:47
  Marathon next on the agenda and. Oh just on Valencia Royal
• 46:52
  Leonard action DNF and he on the social media after he thinks
• 46:56
  you've got 10K and start against Democrats or something which is
• 47:00
  it just shows you like that sometimes it's just not your
• 47:03
  day. Like he would have done
• 47:04
  everything leading up to it and BIG4 week block and then on the
• 47:08
  day something's just upset his Tommy and I presume I'd highly
• 47:12
  doubt he took jails and for for 1/2.
• 47:17
  So yeah, he'll reload. I think he's going to do that
• 47:21
  Valencia 10K and in January, so I could get a few scraps on
• 47:26
  that. Huh?
• 47:27
  Yeah, you could be going around signing people up for interviews
• 47:31
  in the elite athlete sense. But yeah, Dublin, so Dublin is
• 47:37
  not renowned for being a fast course and it was pretty windy,
• 47:40
  so just take that into account when you're listening to these
• 47:44
  times. But the winner was Daniel Mesen
• 47:46
  from the USA, who I've never heard of.
• 47:49
  He ran 20851. Second was Manzat Sayim from
• 47:53
  Ethiopia who ran 2/09/09 and 3rd was Samuel Tiscae from Sweden
• 48:00
  who ran 2/09/29. The first Irish home was fifth
• 48:04
  David McGlynn, he ran 211 O1 which was a massive PV for him.
• 48:09
  And second home for the Irish was Ryan Creach who came six in
• 48:12
  the full race and he ran 21141 so 42 I mean so 41 seconds
• 48:18
  behind David Mcglenn. And 3rd was Paul O'Donnell who
• 48:20
  came seventh. He ran 2/12/11, which to have
• 48:25
  like have 3 Irish guys running like 212, like under 212 is, is
• 48:32
  pretty good going. Yeah, didn't we Glenn?
• 48:34
  That was a big breakout race for him and he's friendly with
• 48:37
  Darren Mclaney and all a group like that I'd be running against
• 48:41
  and yeah, 211 is. It's crazy.
• 48:44
  For him, would they have been in a pack for a large majority of
• 48:49
  that race knowing that they are like the lead Irish guys trying
• 48:53
  to just win the race? Yeah, absolutely.
• 48:55
  They were in the lead pack with the with the lads who won it.
• 48:58
  So it was a big group. And I'd say they just pulled off
• 49:00
  in the end with Daniel Masten. Yeah.
• 49:02
  From the USA, the way 51 like put that on a Valencia and
• 49:06
  you're you're definitely 207 low.
• 49:10
  You're getting up there. OK.
• 49:12
  So in the women's a Bessie, a Dona from Ethiopia, one in two
• 49:17
  2628 Ina Garma from Ethiopia came second in two 2632 and 3rd
• 49:24
  was the sea Basa from Ethiopia again who ran 2/27/12.
• 49:32
  So the two one and two were just together the hallway and wanted
• 49:37
  then a best. They just out kicked Tina and
• 49:40
  but again 226 in Dublin is pretty pretty good going.
• 49:43
  The first Irish home was she came sixth in the full race.
• 49:48
  Ava Crean, she's from Limerick. She ran 23412 and this girl,
• 49:54
  she's 19 years old and which is, yeah, crazy, I think she.
• 50:00
  Ran. Wasn't that a debut as well?
• 50:03
  She ran a marathon like a couple of weeks before this in Limerick
• 50:07
  and around 240 something both Sam like.
• 50:12
  I'd love to know your boys opinions on like a 19 year old
• 50:15
  running marathons but I'll just finished off these results And
• 50:18
  their second Irish she came eighth in the overall.
• 50:21
  And Ray Mcglenn and she was 23624.
• 50:27
  And then the third Irish who came ninth in the overall,
• 50:30
  Nicholas Sheridan from Mead she came, she ran 23956 which was a
• 50:37
  big PB for her. She was in the two 40s before
• 50:40
  this and I'd say you guys are going to become very familiar
• 50:43
  with her. She's moving to Australia now.
• 50:46
  So she's completed Ireland and now she's just going to go over
• 50:48
  and complete Australia. I think she's moving to Sydney.
• 50:51
  So yeah, keep and keep an eye on that name.
• 50:54
  She'll be coming up in the results.
• 50:55
  Yeah, that I can't believe that 19 year old has run 234 like
• 50:59
  that that is just obscene like it can't comprehend it and so
• 51:04
  referring to that we had the prize money thing in here last
• 51:07
  week, didn't we? So she's won the the Irish race,
• 51:11
  so she's got three and a half €1000 for that and then she's
• 51:15
  finished 6th overall so she's got another €1500 for that out
• 51:21
  in in U.S. dollars, the prize money.
• 51:24
  So she's been weighed in fairly nicely there.
• 51:28
  Yeah and like again, she is 19. What's your guys opinions on
• 51:33
  like 19 year olds running marathons?
• 51:36
  Like yeah, like I don't even know any of her PBS.
• 51:39
  Like I don't know what her fight KPB is, her 10 KPB is, but like
• 51:43
  she's just jumped straight up to marathon and like yeah, what's
• 51:48
  your opinion? I think it's.
• 51:49
  Pretty risky, but yeah, I mean, you want to have spend as much
• 51:56
  time in the sport, participating in the sport as you can.
• 51:59
  And there's just you're just introducing more risk.
• 52:02
  I mean, Ryan and I are both suffering the consequences of
• 52:06
  running at the minute or living with them.
• 52:08
  And I would imagine they get exacerbated.
• 52:10
  And yeah, I know a few of the guys that sort of went to the
• 52:13
  marathon earlier that didn't have the training load to be
• 52:17
  able to withstand it. So, I mean, you can do you want
• 52:22
  to do what's fun and that's obviously, you know, 234 is a is
• 52:27
  a great run and if she handles it, that's great.
• 52:31
  But yeah, it just, it just introduces a lot of a lot of
• 52:36
  risk, right? And and and running is hard and
• 52:38
  it's pretty destructive on your body and you probably just want
• 52:41
  to be careful, which perhaps. She is over 5, KPB is 1645 1/2,
• 52:50
  PB is 74 still. And yeah, I just thought it was
• 52:56
  crazy at 19 years old. And so like, win a marathon,
• 53:00
  like, she's like the Irish marathon champion now, which is
• 53:02
  just crazy thing. That's a very good conversion.
• 53:06
  You know, 114 * 2 two 28 + 6 two 34.
• 53:11
  That's, I mean she's obviously very well suited to distance
• 53:15
  running. Do you think in general women
• 53:17
  convert better than men? Like the gaps between the
• 53:22
  shorter distance times are less obvious than men.
• 53:25
  Yeah. I think, I think men just
• 53:30
  because they're, you know, have the advantage of testosterone
• 53:34
  being bigger and stronger, I think naturally can perhaps find
• 53:39
  a ceiling maybe easier. And so therefore for women that
• 53:44
  aren't necessarily just naturally as strong, but a very
• 53:47
  aerobically conditioned, if you're very aerobically
• 53:50
  conditioned, then you're not, then you're going to convert
• 53:53
  those distance traces more easily compared to your lack of
• 53:57
  relative lack of ceiling. So for the same, you know, man
• 54:01
  that can run 15 minutes to a woman that can run 15 minutes,
• 54:04
  for the woman woman to be able to do that, she would have to be
• 54:08
  so she's not, she's not built the same.
• 54:11
  And so she would have to be so aerobically fit to be able to
• 54:15
  run that fast. And so then if you then took
• 54:18
  that so those same two people and put them to a marathon, they
• 54:22
  would be better suited or already because they would be
• 54:27
  the, the the woman would be very aerobically fit already.
• 54:30
  So I think so in that regard, yeah.
• 54:33
  Yeah, if you took like say 100 of those case study examples,
• 54:38
  what, what sort of split do you reckon?
• 54:41
  I reckon that the woman has a better marathon PB where the
• 54:44
  five KPB is equal in maybe 75 of the 100 examples.
• 54:51
  That's just my hypothesis on it, but that's how it feels.
• 54:56
  Yeah, yeah, prob probably, yeah, and, and, and all individual.
• 55:00
  But I think as you go up and up for a lot of women, they, yeah,
• 55:03
  improve through aerobic capacity because they're limited
• 55:07
  physically, I think. So I think that would make
• 55:10
  sense, yeah. Also, perhaps decision making
• 55:13
  comes into it and men are just a little bit more idiots in that
• 55:18
  regard and we'll think perhaps that we're better than we are
• 55:21
  and therefore we're the architects of our own downfall.
• 55:24
  Whereas women a little bit more conservative, a little less
• 55:27
  arrogance, and they'll play it nice and safe and get the
• 55:30
  results. Which probably leads us to the
• 55:33
  halfway split for the men's, at least the top three Irish men,
• 55:38
  because I was getting excited, I was following the live stream
• 55:41
  and they all split in the 60 fours.
• 55:44
  I think there are two men in 64 low and maybe one man 64 mid or
• 55:49
  high. And so you do the conversions on
• 55:51
  that and that's 208209 pace. And I think the the first
• 55:58
  Irishman high was, was it 210 high or 211 thereabouts.
• 56:02
  So yeah, they were obviously a bit more optimistic, umm, with
• 56:13
  what you know then what they were able to do.
• 56:16
  Like saying that, so they, them boys had a choice to go with
• 56:20
  that lead group and probably like beyond the Limits or run
• 56:25
  solo. So like you sort of toss it up.
• 56:28
  Like I'd probably rather go on the lead group and then suffer a
• 56:33
  little bit because like they weren't 1,000,000 miles off her.
• 56:37
  Umm, yeah, I don't know. You probably reiterating Ryan's
• 56:42
  point there. No, no, no, no.
• 56:46
  I just mean I don't, I don't know if that's the right.
• 56:49
  I don't know. They blew up.
• 56:50
  What what are they positive split by 3-4 minutes?
• 56:52
  So one of them DMF D and the other guys positive split by at
• 56:55
  least three minutes. But yeah, I mean, maybe, maybe
• 56:58
  that's the right place to do it and the advantages is there, but
• 57:03
  certainly the harder way to do it, you'd think.
• 57:05
  Just going back to the the American fella who won that
• 57:07
  Daniel Mess fund have just been having a look at them here.
• 57:10
  His his 10K road PB obviously just hasn't run one since it's
• 57:17
  from 2017 and it's 2946 and then he's just won Dublin marathon on
• 57:23
  a not perfect day in two O 851. But his no wonder he's like
• 57:31
  relatively unknown. His results besides that run
• 57:34
  don't really stand out. So he's got a half marathon PB
• 57:40
  of 6113, which, OK, that's pretty quick.
• 57:44
  Like to be fair. But his other runs this year,
• 57:47
  he'd ran 1/2 in the half marathon champs and ran like 63
• 57:51
  minutes where the winner was like 60 minutes and he'd run
• 57:56
  another marathon and ran like 2-11 or two 12211.
• 58:03
  So yeah, proper out of the blue and bit of an unknown.
• 58:08
  Who are they letting into these races?
• 58:10
  Oh. Yeah, that's a good question.
• 58:12
  No, but I feel like that's why they do Dublin because now
• 58:14
  they've got like, I think Dublin is on a different tier top.
• 58:17
  Well, it is on a different tier to like the big ones.
• 58:19
  But now they can say they've won like a decent marathon, which
• 58:22
  gets them down entry into those big races.
• 58:24
  So take a stepping stone marathon.
• 58:26
  And so, yeah, no, that's why they do it.
• 58:29
  I think I'm reading this right. But remember we do we speak
• 58:32
  about this as well last week about like Irish time bonuses
• 58:38
  for the men. So I think it says sub 212 they
• 58:41
  get 5000. Is it U.S. dollars?
• 58:45
  So that three guys would have would have all all got that,
• 58:49
  which is not a bad payday on top of the check that they would
• 58:53
  have got for being national champion as well.
• 58:56
  I think it drops down. So if you yes top Irish and
• 59:01
  you're you're on sub 212, you get the five.
• 59:04
  Then if you come second and run sub 212, it cuts down a little
• 59:08
  bit and the same again for 3rd. So look, they still get a time
• 59:11
  bonus for running fast and but just not the full work.
• 59:15
  Makes sense. Was were you still on the ground
• 59:19
  at home yesterday whilst this was going on?
• 59:21
  You flew yesterday afternoon, didn't you?
• 59:23
  Yeah, so I it was like live streamed.
• 59:28
  So I just like I'd love to go in and watch it and I've never
• 59:31
  actually watched Dublin Marathon.
• 59:33
  And so I'd love to assess in my book a list to do.
• 59:35
  I don't like debut in Dublin. So that's next year.
• 59:38
  Hopefully I'll I'll be on the ground and just watching us or
• 59:41
  maybe pace or something. Be nice.
• 59:43
  Well, yeah, maybe just on that point with these guys, you know,
• 59:46
  these guys are targeting these times, you know, sub 210 and
• 59:50
  because it was Jake talking about in terms of maybe Euro
• 59:53
  standards, maybe you needed to run 2/10/15 or whatever that be.
• 59:56
  But maybe that's what some of these guys are targeting.
• 59:59
  And you know that the league Kenyan groups going out at
• 1:00:02
  2O82O7 pace, perhaps for you like the national championships,
• 1:00:07
  you think there'd be one or two pacemakers for some of these
• 1:00:09
  guys, right? That would be able to pull them
• 1:00:11
  through halfway or something? Yeah, they're definitely I think
• 1:00:13
  a few like there definitely was pacemakers for like that's some
• 1:00:17
  220 and all sort of stuff which I would be able to now break
• 1:00:21
  running sub 210 pacemaker. I don't know if that's in my
• 1:00:23
  wheelhouse boss. Yeah, no, it's definitely maybe
• 1:00:28
  for next year because even just like it's a local crowd, if I
• 1:00:31
  say feel amazing, like when I was even doing my local 5K, it
• 1:00:34
  felt amazing. Everyone cheering like Dublin
• 1:00:37
  25,000 people running the streets lined.
• 1:00:40
  It's just, yeah, incredible. Yeah, I was going to ask.
• 1:00:42
  So like what? The whole city have pretty much
• 1:00:44
  been shut down whilst this is going on and they're like
• 1:00:47
  everyone kind of come out to watch type thing.
• 1:00:50
  Yeah, and like in Ireland, it's never the best weather.
• 1:00:53
  Like it was showers, it was windy.
• 1:00:55
  So to even like have like massive crowds, it's it's
• 1:00:59
  pretty, it's pretty cool all. Right then, Benny 10.
• 1:01:01
  Dean, you want to talk us through these results?
• 1:01:04
  What happened there? Yeah.
• 1:01:06
  In the men's, the winner was a familiar name at the minute,
• 1:01:10
  Adam Goddard in 2836, followed closely by Ed Marks in 2837 and
• 1:01:16
  then Brian Fay, the Irishman in 2847, and the women's top three
• 1:01:23
  was Liam Pompiani in 3146. I think that's 2 seconds of the
• 1:01:29
  record she'd set the year prior. Course record Bronte Oates 3246
• 1:01:36
  so a minute behind and Holly Campbell in 3rd 3302 yeah, I
• 1:01:40
  watched the live stream. I don't know if E either of you
• 1:01:42
  guys managed to catch any of it, but yeah, I thought they did a
• 1:01:47
  very good job of streaming the event.
• 1:01:48
  The, the, the race looks like a lot of fun, like I feel like in
• 1:01:52
  terms of a row 10K this time of year, because it gets more
• 1:01:56
  difficult as we're getting, as it starts to get warmer and
• 1:01:59
  warmer down under to find suitable races to to get after.
• 1:02:03
  But this one seems to be a good one for like the back end of the
• 1:02:05
  year for sure. Yeah, the stream was really
• 1:02:09
  good. The races were pretty exciting.
• 1:02:11
  Like in the men's race towards the back end, Adam Goddard and
• 1:02:16
  Ed Marks were sort of neck and neck the whole way.
• 1:02:19
  And Ed Marks probably looked the better of the two, like looked
• 1:02:24
  really smooth, really comfortable, less fate like
• 1:02:27
  pained facial expression. But Adam got out.
• 1:02:30
  I think it's quite quick Isn't he's got a fairly quick 1500
• 1:02:34
  metre time. And yeah, just managed to close
• 1:02:38
  harder. You could see Brian Fay in the
• 1:02:40
  background sort of wanting to sort of stay connected, but the
• 1:02:46
  the the top two guys were able to just St. stay ahead.
• 1:02:52
  And then Leanne's race was good that she had a few couple, at
• 1:02:55
  least a couple of pacemakers and you could see they're sort of
• 1:02:59
  targeting that race record. And yeah, she was sort of not
• 1:03:03
  really a sniff or was maybe just outside it when they turned the
• 1:03:06
  final corner, but closed really quickly and you could see her
• 1:03:10
  sort of racing the clock and bit of a raw smile knowing when she
• 1:03:13
  crossed the line that maybe she just missed it and the
• 1:03:15
  commentators were all across it. It was really good.
• 1:03:18
  Good stream and a good race. Yeah, So Leanne just missed her
• 1:03:21
  PBS around 10 seconds quicker than that.
• 1:03:24
  So obviously she's almost kind of maxed out her performance on
• 1:03:28
  the day there. And then she's won by a minute
• 1:03:32
  as well. So comfortable victory and kind
• 1:03:34
  of shows like how well she's going.
• 1:03:38
  I guess at the minute that's kind of where she's at.
• 1:03:41
  But one thing I thought of when I seen this and I know she's
• 1:03:45
  she's won the race. So like you can only beat what's
• 1:03:48
  in front of you almost. You have to consider that as
• 1:03:51
  well. But isn't Izzy's PBS like a
• 1:03:54
  minute quicker than that again? So it's like shit, it just makes
• 1:03:59
  you appreciate how how fast Izzy's 10K time is.
• 1:04:05
  And also with the with the men's race as you described.
• 1:04:08
  Yeah, I couldn't believe that because I watched it back after
• 1:04:12
  the fact. So I already knew the results
• 1:04:15
  and I couldn't believe as I'm watching Goddard like burying
• 1:04:18
  himself looking like shit with 200 to go with marks like
• 1:04:23
  sitting in his wheel. If we're going to talk about
• 1:04:26
  cycling and looking like $1,000,000, I couldn't believe
• 1:04:30
  that he didn't manage to pass him, but it just looked like
• 1:04:33
  God. Perhaps once a bit more.
• 1:04:35
  Yeah, and it's probably a bit of confidence.
• 1:04:37
  Well, like he belief and positive thinking counts for a
• 1:04:42
  lot of momentum. And he's sort of been winning
• 1:04:44
  everything, right? And so it's a good habit to be
• 1:04:47
  in. That brings us to training week
• 1:04:50
  so I can give a quick update on where I'm at because there has
• 1:04:55
  been some slight progression. I did see the physio again last
• 1:04:59
  week and we've introduced some cross trains.
• 1:05:03
  So during the the deload period I have been cycling and swimming
• 1:05:08
  only so there's been like 0 load.
• 1:05:10
  But now that I've built up some more strength through the calfs
• 1:05:14
  and established a proper gym routine, I've been given the
• 1:05:18
  green light to do a cross train three times a week and after the
• 1:05:22
  cross train, do some drills. So like just the high knees, the
• 1:05:27
  ass flicks and the a skips. So that's been fun to kind of
• 1:05:35
  start doing that. Well, the the cross trainer
• 1:05:37
  hasn't been fun. To be fair, it's absolutely
• 1:05:39
  boring as anything, isn't it? It's the the longest hour you'll
• 1:05:42
  ever encounter, especially by the third one of the week where
• 1:05:46
  I've listened to all my podcasts and watch all my Youtubes and
• 1:05:50
  I'm just staring at the screen for an hour.
• 1:05:52
  It's, it certainly isn't passed by quick, but I've enjoyed being
• 1:05:56
  able to do the drills and I can feel the heel a little bit
• 1:06:01
  afterwards, so like throughout the remainder of the day.
• 1:06:03
  But it's not a point where I'm like, oh, I probably won't do
• 1:06:07
  that next time. You should play.
• 1:06:10
  It was a solitaire, Tommy Tedge. And he does, if so, he do a 90
• 1:06:15
  minute on the elliptical and he plays solitaire for like 90
• 1:06:17
  minutes, which is, yeah, crazy. That's awesome.
• 1:06:24
  I don't mind that actually. It's not about.
• 1:06:26
  Yeah. Speaking of which, I was, I was
• 1:06:30
  with him yesterday actually. And I don't know if you've seen
• 1:06:34
  on Strava, he's run A204K week last week and he I was saying,
• 1:06:40
  oh, we'll use the cross train like crazy.
• 1:06:42
  Like you would do 2 hour stints and stuff.
• 1:06:45
  And he's like, yeah. And now I'm, I'm doing 0 cross
• 1:06:48
  training. Like when I first came back from
• 1:06:51
  my injury, I was doing normal double s as a cross trainer.
• 1:06:53
  And now here I am running A204K week.
• 1:06:57
  And between me, him and Dan, who was also there, we're kind of
• 1:07:03
  cross referencing the logic behind his 204 kilometre week,
• 1:07:08
  weighing up the the risk versus reward.
• 1:07:11
  But yeah, he's, he's building into Valencia himself and his
• 1:07:14
  confidence is up. So hopefully they they make him
• 1:07:17
  not break him. But yeah, back to just where I'm
• 1:07:20
  at. The idea is to do this for two
• 1:07:23
  to three weeks. And then if nothing crazy
• 1:07:26
  happens during this, as in like it allows me to do it every
• 1:07:29
  other day and stuff, then we can start a walk run program.
• 1:07:33
  So we shall see. Which I've had eyes on.
• 1:07:36
  I think it's six weeks to get from nothing up to 340 minute
• 1:07:42
  jogs in a week, so hopefully can look forward to starting that
• 1:07:48
  but not counting any chickens just yet.
• 1:07:50
  All right. In terms of my update, yeah,
• 1:07:56
  not, not too much to report some more altar G running, some more
• 1:08:01
  cycling. I've been given some permission
• 1:08:05
  to sort of in increase the amount of, of load through
• 1:08:09
  through that. Oh, have an MRI booked in for
• 1:08:13
  tomorrow, so to get an update there and then a meeting with
• 1:08:17
  the sports doc on the 7th of November.
• 1:08:21
  But yeah, hopefully have more insight in the next couple of
• 1:08:25
  weeks. All right, see you off.
• 1:08:26
  I'll go for my wish. Mr. Professional Athletes and
• 1:08:30
  it's training camp. For two weeks and two weeks
• 1:08:33
  only. Restore some credibility into
• 1:08:35
  the podcast? Come on.
• 1:08:38
  That and 20th. Let me just find Australia.
• 1:08:43
  I'm so bad. We've known over so long and I
• 1:08:45
  still don't know the best way to do about a training week.
• 1:08:50
  I'm surprised you're not an 100 and diary man, to be fair.
• 1:08:55
  I do have it, but it's in my suitcase and comfy here now,
• 1:09:02
  right? So after race on the Sunday, I
• 1:09:05
  just done that 60 minutes easy. And Monday morning and it was
• 1:09:10
  grim and I thought it was my my vest, my sort of like reflective
• 1:09:15
  vest, its debut. So I was seen by all the cares.
• 1:09:20
  But yeah, that was only 12.5 K, 448 for 60 minutes.
• 1:09:25
  And then that evening, I don't 45 minutes in strides.
• 1:09:29
  Like I feel like with the strides like it, it adds another
• 1:09:32
  like chunk to the actual run. So 45 minutes in strides, that
• 1:09:36
  was like 58 minutes of like running.
• 1:09:38
  So that was my Monday evening, just the easy double.
• 1:09:42
  Then Tuesday morning I done a 2 by 10 minutes off a 5 minute jog
• 1:09:49
  in the middle. So 50 minute warm up, 10
• 1:09:52
  minutes, 5 minutes jog, 10 minutes, 5 minutes jog.
• 1:09:56
  And they were in and around around 3 fifteens.
• 1:10:03
  We'll call it pretty honest. I was just up along.
• 1:10:08
  I like a stripper Rd. that is less where I'm from.
• 1:10:12
  There's certainly like 2K or 1 1/2 kilometers of like lit Rd.
• 1:10:19
  which is terrible. But yeah, so that was my Tuesday
• 1:10:23
  morning. And then Tuesday evening I did
• 1:10:26
  similar, but instead of 10 minute reps on 15 minute reps.
• 1:10:30
  And I think for these they were a little bit faster.
• 1:10:32
  So in total, the session was the hard bit.
• 1:10:35
  The session was 10K 317 pace and then the splits were around
• 1:10:43
  let's say three times a little bit faster, but I feel like it's
• 1:10:48
  so hard to get going in the morning, like up a 55 like it's
• 1:10:53
  just and it's dark. It's just long.
• 1:10:56
  I don't know, Eh, So that was a big day.
• 1:10:58
  That's nearly 30 K We're running.
• 1:10:59
  So Wednesday I sort of shake it easy and then I don't a 60
• 1:11:04
  minute bike ride in the morning. I feel I cannot get my hurry up
• 1:11:08
  on the bike I've really, really like.
• 1:11:10
  I feel like I'm going all out and I don't know if it's better
• 1:11:14
  to like go for like like an easy enough resistance and like pedal
• 1:11:19
  faster or go for a hard resistance and pedal slower.
• 1:11:23
  But then my quads just fall apart.
• 1:11:26
  I feel like they're just not conditioned for the bike at all.
• 1:11:29
  I do reckon it probably took maybe like 4 weeks before my
• 1:11:33
  legs got condition enough to be able to convert to then become a
• 1:11:38
  cardio based IT like problem than a leg muscular problem
• 1:11:43
  problem. Yeah, and it's just like, yeah,
• 1:11:46
  same also, but you're working it differently.
• 1:11:48
  And but I feel like that's sort of like helping recover because
• 1:11:52
  the Tuesdays big if I'm still like doing under 67 minute run,
• 1:11:56
  it's just, you know, my body that little bit more and my body
• 1:11:58
  just can't hack it unfortunately.
• 1:12:00
  And then Wednesday evening I got a massage.
• 1:12:04
  So it was like my last massage before I go away.
• 1:12:06
  So I just made sure to get my name last week because my
• 1:12:08
  physio, he then treats the elites for a double marathon.
• 1:12:13
  So he was gone like all weekend, bringing them from like Thursday
• 1:12:16
  or Friday to Sunday evening. And then Thursday mornings was
• 1:12:24
  another. It was sort of like my last Test
• 1:12:26
  before I get off here, though. It was 3 by 10 minutes off a 4
• 1:12:30
  minute jog and yeah, it was like 11.5.
• 1:12:35
  I went drove into like my a local village, don't Joplin and
• 1:12:39
  because that has like a load of housing estates and they're all
• 1:12:42
  lit. So I just feel safer running
• 1:12:44
  around here. Not going to get by a car, but I
• 1:12:47
  was feeling really good on these ones.
• 1:12:51
  I think for the 1st 10 minutes I averaged like three O 610
• 1:12:55
  minutes was three O 6 and the urge 10 minutes was three O 7.
• 1:13:00
  Now it is relatively flat as well so not many hills, but the
• 1:13:03
  highway was under control as well which is which is what I'm
• 1:13:09
  sort of looking for in them. Tabber runs and after that I had
• 1:13:13
  an 8 by 8 seconds drives just to pick up the temple a little bit.
• 1:13:20
  What? What shoes are you wearing for
• 1:13:22
  these like Rd. sessions? So for this one, I don't like
• 1:13:28
  wearing like a cabin plate the whole time.
• 1:13:30
  So the Tuesday I'm pretty sure I wore the Boston twelves.
• 1:13:37
  So it's not a super shoe, but there is still a like the cabin
• 1:13:40
  rods in them. And then for this one on the
• 1:13:42
  Thursday, I actually wore like a beat up pair of meta speed sky
• 1:13:48
  plus or something. So I think it's like the second
• 1:13:51
  release version. So they are like done, but
• 1:13:54
  they're just a lighter shoe and they're the first ones I pulled
• 1:13:57
  out my box shoe box at home. So I was like, OK, like they're
• 1:14:02
  a nice shoe to run in like this. Sort of it's easier to go faster
• 1:14:04
  in them then. But like out here now I don't
• 1:14:06
  have any cabin shoes. No, I was tossing that up like I
• 1:14:09
  can only bring certain amount of shoes.
• 1:14:11
  So I actually brought no caravans.
• 1:14:12
  I brought the night structures. I brought a Puma deep velocity,
• 1:14:19
  Puma velocity, just a carbon trainer.
• 1:14:21
  No, just ah, just a trainer. But it's like soft and poppy and
• 1:14:25
  I brought that for like I can do up tempo stuff in that.
• 1:14:29
  And then I brought the rabble as well to sort of, it's sort of
• 1:14:31
  like a like the old rabble, the V4, which is like a race and
• 1:14:35
  fly. And so I can do some sort of
• 1:14:37
  faster from that. And then I've got spikes, so
• 1:14:40
  I'll do some spike wraps as well.
• 1:14:42
  Is this just to double down on the point you made the other
• 1:14:45
  week about Carbon Choose being overrided?
• 1:14:48
  Yeah, I'm just trying to prove it.
• 1:14:54
  Isn't it anyway? Yeah, I don't have them.
• 1:14:57
  I actually don't have like a proper pair of carbon shoes like
• 1:14:59
  I'm the street fly, but you wouldn't call that really like
• 1:15:01
  like a chunky like marked calf, my half marked American carbon
• 1:15:04
  shoe. And then I've got the New
• 1:15:05
  Balance ones, the V4, but I don't really not a big fan of
• 1:15:08
  them. I feel like they're just soft
• 1:15:10
  and not sort of what I like. So yeah, I'm going all scale out
• 1:15:15
  here and I'll either make me or break me.
• 1:15:18
  But like the foam still the new foam compound, right?
• 1:15:21
  Like you're still, these are still nice, nice shoes.
• 1:15:24
  They're just probably it's it's almost like the great good
• 1:15:29
  training shoe because then you'll go to this higher stack
• 1:15:32
  more foam with a rocker in it come race day.
• 1:15:38
  Yeah. Well, the structure is just like
• 1:15:40
  there's not much balance in that one.
• 1:15:42
  I just OK, I like just like how it feels underneath that the PM
• 1:15:45
  one, there is a pop in that one. I really like that PM a foam.
• 1:15:48
  I don't know what it is, but it feels like really, really nice
• 1:15:52
  too. But still, it's not a big chunky
• 1:15:54
  shoe. It's just like sort of looks
• 1:15:55
  like an old school type shoe, but it's got like a nice foam in
• 1:15:57
  it. And then the rabble like I'm
• 1:15:59
  going to leave the rabble out here like it's nearly done.
• 1:16:01
  I just brought it out to finish it off really.
• 1:16:03
  So have you got access to a track there then with you taken
• 1:16:06
  spikes issue? Yes, there is like I think him
• 1:16:10
  Mulk Tear used to train out here a bit.
• 1:16:12
  Oh. Here we can training camp with
• 1:16:16
  Mulka Tear. So for anyone who doesn't know
• 1:16:19
  Mulka tear he he's a 5K10K track athlete.
• 1:16:25
  Let's say he's done a few 1500 as well.
• 1:16:27
  But he he got popped. Well not popped he got caught
• 1:16:33
  for whereabouts failure. So basically drug testers came
• 1:16:36
  to wherever he said he was going to be and he wasn't there.
• 1:16:39
  And it's happened three times in a row.
• 1:16:41
  And then so he got banned and then he was something about, he
• 1:16:45
  appeared or something. And he is after getting a longer
• 1:16:49
  ban now because like they double down and that he like he, he's
• 1:16:52
  hiding something basically. Yeah, I think didn't they try
• 1:16:56
  and like appeal it and then it turned out he'd like falsified
• 1:16:59
  some of the documents around his failed whereabouts.
• 1:17:02
  Like it turns out he'd he was, yeah.
• 1:17:07
  He's very like, he was anyway vocal on social media.
• 1:17:11
  OK, what did he say? Favored the comment?
• 1:17:14
  He was like, oh, he. Said someone like, oh, your girl
• 1:17:16
  is looking at MO Will your girl wants to be Mao or something
• 1:17:21
  like this, wasn't it? Yeah.
• 1:17:23
  Something that rage I am. On the group ride, I used the
• 1:17:28
  term pot and kettle to the bloke that tried to have a crack at me
• 1:17:32
  after it just sat on my wheel and those sprints.
• 1:17:34
  But bit of pot and kettle with you, you know, you all this drug
• 1:17:37
  chat and now you're you see, well, you're seemingly jump
• 1:17:42
  ship. You sort of, you know, wave
• 1:17:44
  wading into murky waters by the sounds.
• 1:17:48
  If I run 28 minutes in Valencia, you can you can report me.
• 1:17:54
  I'll be tracking your whereabouts.
• 1:17:57
  Yeah. The accusations will be flying
• 1:18:00
  around. If you're if massive improvement
• 1:18:02
  comes on the back of this training camp, I'll be telling
• 1:18:05
  you. Liam Stocky will be blowing up
• 1:18:07
  in the clubhouse. Hurricane.
• 1:18:09
  But yeah, they've where I am, there's this thing called the
• 1:18:11
  Yellow Brick Road and it's just a map.
• 1:18:13
  It's just a big, massive, long straight that loads of people
• 1:18:15
  use. Ben Connor actually, I think
• 1:18:17
  trains out here a good bit. The GB athlete and bought again
• 1:18:22
  and they were big, like complex, like into like 5-10 minute job
• 1:18:26
  getaway and whatever track. They've got a load of like
• 1:18:29
  football pitches and all sort of stuff.
• 1:18:30
  So it's like the location is ground, like I've got a beach to
• 1:18:33
  like run along. And yeah, it's, it's nice to
• 1:18:36
  hear. You should have a look at some
• 1:18:39
  of the segments unlike the track or the road sessions that you do
• 1:18:43
  and see who's done sessions there.
• 1:18:46
  Yeah, I actually will because I got to have a premium for being
• 1:18:49
  out here because it shows you the roots, which is handy.
• 1:18:52
  Like, I don't know, that's the only time I use travel premium
• 1:18:55
  is for the reefs. So yeah, I'll go.
• 1:18:59
  And what was it, crown digging or something?
• 1:19:02
  Trying to run myself into the oven.
• 1:19:04
  What was so? What sort of mileage have you
• 1:19:06
  been running recently to be fair for comparison?
• 1:19:09
  What have I done? Well, I'll finish off the week
• 1:19:11
  and then I'll. All right.
• 1:19:13
  So Friday, total rest day, do nothing, feed up.
• 1:19:17
  And then Saturday was a big one, so 15 minute tempo into then I 5
• 1:19:26
  minute rest and I changed my shoes and then I went into 16 by
• 1:19:31
  300 meters. This is around my 337 meter
• 1:19:35
  track. So my poach is like the ton the
• 1:19:37
  wheel out like fully measure like the 200 meters.
• 1:19:40
  So it was 16 by 300 meters off like 50m jog or 35 seconds
• 1:19:45
  recovery. So I was hitting them three
• 1:19:47
  hundreds in like between like 51 and 49 and like I sort of pushed
• 1:19:54
  a little hard on the 15 tempo at the start.
• 1:19:58
  So I really started feeling it in the last, like I'm going to
• 1:20:03
  say the last half of the of the stranger mirrors.
• 1:20:06
  And in my head I was thinking that, all right, so if 16 wants
• 1:20:09
  to get to 10, that's when the session starts.
• 1:20:11
  Just to try and make it seem like easier for no, it was it
• 1:20:15
  was. It wasn't pretty, but luck done.
• 1:20:18
  11K worth of work. And then son, oh, that afternoon
• 1:20:23
  I you could have for an easy double of four or five minutes
• 1:20:24
  with my brother and it was nice to run with someone because I'm
• 1:20:29
  normally just by myself. And then Sunday morning before I
• 1:20:32
  flew out, I'd done 91 minutes and that last 20 minutes was
• 1:20:37
  like a little pick up. So yeah, that was my week.
• 1:20:40
  It was the last few weeks have been.
• 1:20:44
  So I had a damn week after nationals.
• 1:20:48
  Oh no, I sort of had a knee that knee Nagle.
• 1:20:51
  So after nationals around 41 week, 41 kilometers that were
• 1:20:54
  down week. Then I got off to 13133 and I my
• 1:20:58
  body was sort of aching a little bit and that's when I introduced
• 1:21:00
  the Wednesday cycle. Then I was 84 kilometers, 100
• 1:21:03
  and 416. Then last week what then it was
• 1:21:07
  a race week, so I don't 85 and then the week just gone was 124.
• 1:21:13
  So and that's what, an hour cycle?
• 1:21:17
  So this week will probably be similar.
• 1:21:20
  I'll just have a lot more cross training.
• 1:21:22
  I'll then just introduce a few triples, taking relief at Jake's
• 1:21:26
  book, but just not as crazy. But yeah, feeling good.
• 1:21:31
  So that's main. That's good.
• 1:21:34
  With a with a full day's rest as well in there, that's good.
• 1:21:38
  Basically 2 because the Wednesday and I don't run so
• 1:21:42
  it's a 5 days which is yeah it's gone.
• 1:21:44
  Yeah, good. Look forward to your recap next
• 1:21:47
  week. See who's who's crowns you've
• 1:21:48
  went and chased and stole, and who you've how many sessions or
• 1:21:52
  coffees you've gone for with Muketeer.
• 1:21:56
  I'll try and find a way. I'll text him, I'll like.
• 1:21:59
  I'm going to have to have a look on his Instagram and see if he's
• 1:22:01
  coincidentally back in Spain now.
• 1:22:08
  This so good even though he doesn't have a word of English.
• 1:22:10
  That's another thing I noticed out here, like I don't know
• 1:22:14
  whether it's just because I was in Australia and I got soft
• 1:22:16
  mirror there and then I park home like the language, like a
• 1:22:21
  lot of them don't speak English. I'm like even just I went for a
• 1:22:23
  coffee and I was like, ah, coffee.
• 1:22:26
  And she was like, Oh yeah. So cafe con latte americano and
• 1:22:32
  then this other one die. I like, I sort of panicked and I
• 1:22:35
  just said cafe con la tape, which is, is that cafe con
• 1:22:39
  leche? Is that is that a latte?
• 1:22:41
  Coffee with milk. Yeah, but yeah, so I went for
• 1:22:44
  that one. But I don't really like a Milky
• 1:22:46
  coffee and it just tastes like milk then.
• 1:22:49
  So yeah, I just need a brush up for my Spanish.
• 1:22:51
  Basically put the bread out here.
• 1:22:53
  It's like you go into just a random little shop and they've
• 1:22:55
  like these warm like baguettes of bread and they're just so
• 1:22:58
  nice. I'm going to be rolling home out
• 1:23:01
  here. Where did you fly into?
• 1:23:02
  What? Like where actually is the
• 1:23:04
  place? So I'm in Terviaka, so I flew
• 1:23:07
  into Alicante, an Alicante like an hour's north.
• 1:23:11
  So when I was actually flying in, I flew over Valencia.
• 1:23:13
  So an hour north of Alicante is Valencia and then an hour S is
• 1:23:17
  Tervaca. So I think the local soccer team
• 1:23:20
  is like Alche or something like that.
• 1:23:22
  And then I think it's like a four E to an hour bus ride under
• 1:23:26
  play and then Real Sociedad, not this Friday, the following
• 1:23:30
  Friday. And I was thinking, oh, I'd love
• 1:23:33
  to go and like to see a Little League again, but then a sort of
• 1:23:36
  like messed me up for my like, it's only like 9:00 on a Friday
• 1:23:40
  night. Which is like, stupid.
• 1:23:42
  And sort of messed me up for like my Saturday session.
• 1:23:45
  So like I'm out here to train so.
• 1:23:48
  He really loves to get to bed early.
• 1:23:49
  Hey, really? 10:00 for us in Perth, yeah.
• 1:24:01
  Just come here with me. Yeah, one day.
• 1:24:05
  Yeah. So no, I'm loving.
• 1:24:07
  It's nice. Is where's Benidorm relative to
• 1:24:11
  that? Is Benidorm off off the coast is
• 1:24:13
  an island or is it on mainland? Let me.
• 1:24:16
  Look up on Google Maps here. Benidorm is what happened.
• 1:24:22
  Directions an hour and 16 minute drive.
• 1:24:24
  You can always have a nice out next weekend, celebrate the
• 1:24:28
  training camp. That's probably.
• 1:24:30
  Remote here is. Yeah.
• 1:24:33
  And it's downtime. Well, nice segue to be fair from
• 1:24:37
  Mokatea into the roof Chapman Gethitch news item.
• 1:24:41
  So obviously she took a provisional suspension earlier
• 1:24:45
  this year on the back of the diuretic that was found in a
• 1:24:49
  system the masking agent, which is called hydrochlorothiazide or
• 1:24:53
  HCTZ. And the reason why it's
• 1:24:57
  reappeared in the news again now is because like the so she
• 1:25:01
  accepted the provisional suspension, whereas now it's
• 1:25:04
  like actually been implemented and handed to her officially as
• 1:25:08
  a three-year ban. And some of the news that has
• 1:25:11
  kind of come out regarding the investigation, I don't know if
• 1:25:14
  he's have seen, but they've done all sorts of analysis on their
• 1:25:18
  phone and stuff. And I mean, you'll probably find
• 1:25:21
  this quite funny. They found like pictures of
• 1:25:23
  Anavar and all these other like obvious signs that she's doping,
• 1:25:29
  like talking about programs and how to use it and stuff.
• 1:25:34
  And she's claiming complete innocence at first, stating that
• 1:25:39
  must have just automatically saved down to her phone from
• 1:25:41
  like a WhatsApp chat that she's in.
• 1:25:44
  And then that in itself is she's clearly just trying to detach
• 1:25:48
  yourself from blame. But then you look at it from the
• 1:25:51
  other angle and you're like, well, what you're in, you're
• 1:25:54
  saying that you're in WhatsApp chats where you're all speaking
• 1:25:56
  about how to dope, and just because you haven't actively
• 1:25:59
  saved the image, you mean that you're not involved in it?
• 1:26:06
  But yeah, it's one of the main things as well that comes from
• 1:26:10
  it is obviously her record, the 20956, because that was prior to
• 1:26:15
  when they found this diuretic in their system that still
• 1:26:19
  tragically stands. However, they are actively
• 1:26:24
  trying to find proof that potentially she was taking it
• 1:26:31
  ahead of that performance. And they will, they've World
• 1:26:34
  Athletics have said they will look to like kind of obviously
• 1:26:38
  pursue removing that record if they can find some sort of
• 1:26:42
  evidence that confirms she was taking it.
• 1:26:45
  Well, I'd. It really annoys me the way she
• 1:26:48
  got caught for the team dot hides the actual drug she was
• 1:26:52
  taking. Like we still don't know what
• 1:26:55
  drugs she was taking. We only got taught we only got
• 1:26:58
  found out the masking agent. It's like they still haven't
• 1:27:01
  found the main thing that they're back good at hiding it
• 1:27:04
  hiding it. And I'd say she just messed up
• 1:27:07
  on the taking too much of the masking agent, which is super
• 1:27:11
  annoying and factor her by marketing record still stands
• 1:27:14
  Like put put one and one together.
• 1:27:17
  She had to start taking drugs after us.
• 1:27:19
  Let's be real. Well, exactly.
• 1:27:22
  And the annoying thing is she was tested 15 times out of
• 1:27:25
  competition. So she's navigated all of these
• 1:27:29
  tests whilst clearly being on it, which doesn't kind of fill
• 1:27:34
  you with hope regarding like everything else that goes on
• 1:27:37
  right now and what will go on in the years to come.
• 1:27:41
  The fact that she got away with it 14 out of 15 times.
• 1:27:44
  That worries me that like Ethiopia is just sitting there
• 1:27:48
  having like barely any like positive drug tests.
• 1:27:53
  Like that worries me as well. She did end up saying something
• 1:27:56
  along the lines of like, Oh yeah, she did.
• 1:27:59
  She took a pill because she was feeling unwell.
• 1:28:02
  That was like kind of left on the side from her housemaid.
• 1:28:05
  And when she's provided evidence of this pill because she's she's
• 1:28:09
  admitted that she took one, apparently.
• 1:28:11
  And then when she's sent them the photo or when they've got
• 1:28:15
  hold of these pills, you can see that like four or five of the
• 1:28:19
  pills have been popped. But she's, she said she took it
• 1:28:22
  once. So it's like, well, where's all
• 1:28:26
  those other empty packets come from?
• 1:28:28
  Hey they get hold of her phone. Like like she hasn't been
• 1:28:31
  arrested or Anthony assumed. As soon as she gets caught she
• 1:28:34
  just deletes everything off her phone.
• 1:28:35
  Yeah, she must have voluntarily handed it over, I guess, because
• 1:28:40
  she probably couldn't be physically forced to.
• 1:28:43
  Like you say, she wasn't under arrest.
• 1:28:46
  About Italian agents, like no, what are you doing you idiot?
• 1:28:51
  Yeah, and somehow he'll he'll still come out clean like the
• 1:28:54
  the word Rosa won't appear in that WhatsApp once.
• 1:28:58
  Even though it's he's the advent of it.
• 1:29:02
  It's pulling all the strings and one thought I did have on it as
• 1:29:06
  well. Like it shouldn't really make
• 1:29:07
  light of it but do you reckon she's like the the biggest super
• 1:29:12
  responders to drugs? Like her PB prior to this was
• 1:29:15
  2/14 so she's took 4 1/2 minutes off her PB like everyone else
• 1:29:23
  who? The reason why it's a problem
• 1:29:25
  for her is because it was so bloody obvious, whereas like
• 1:29:28
  everyone else is obviously making improvements but make
• 1:29:32
  running PBS by like 30 seconds or a minute or whatever.
• 1:29:35
  And she seems to have taken to these drugs remarkably well, if
• 1:29:40
  you could say that. Yeah, like if like she she could
• 1:29:43
  have run 214 clean or she could have been, she might have upped
• 1:29:47
  the dosage now and then she was trying to cover.
• 1:29:50
  She's like, oh shit. So she took a lot of that cover
• 1:29:53
  up. Yeah.
• 1:29:54
  I don't know. It's, it's just so sad that it's
• 1:29:56
  come to this. And remember, like her, her half
• 1:30:00
  PB in the marathon, she broke it back-to-back essentially, didn't
• 1:30:05
  she? So like that's how much of an
• 1:30:07
  influence this has had on her you that you wouldn't see.
• 1:30:10
  So what like Kaplima or Kaplima is a bit of an extreme example,
• 1:30:14
  but maybe take like Mansa's half PB.
• 1:30:17
  What's that like 58 or something?
• 1:30:20
  It'd be like him running a marathon and breaking 58
• 1:30:23
  back-to-back in the marathon. So therefore running like 156 in
• 1:30:27
  the marathon. Like that's how much of a jump
• 1:30:29
  or response she's had from it. No one does.
• 1:30:33
  She's she's probably so annoyed that she's in hindsight she
• 1:30:38
  might look back and think why? Why does it run that bloody fast
• 1:30:40
  and draw so much attention to myself?
• 1:30:43
  The I do remember Speaking of Owen's mate Katia though during
• 1:30:47
  COVID. Like his name, he he's not, he
• 1:30:51
  came out of the blue and like he made some massive jumps when he
• 1:30:54
  went from like mid to high thirteens to 12:50 for 5K.
• 1:31:02
  Like, yeah, like and, and those are the things that, and I
• 1:31:07
  remember when they were happening.
• 1:31:09
  It's sort of like if the rate of improvement, if there's no, if
• 1:31:12
  you can't, sometimes the story hasn't been told.
• 1:31:15
  And so therefore you're like, well, we're just unfamiliar with
• 1:31:18
  the person. Therefore we don't necessarily
• 1:31:20
  know what they're doing in training and how they've managed
• 1:31:23
  to improve over time. But when the rate of
• 1:31:26
  improvement's so rapid, when you sort of look at their World
• 1:31:29
  Athletics profile and it sort of doesn't make sense, they're
• 1:31:32
  either doing something exceptional in training or
• 1:31:35
  they're doing something exceptional in and out of
• 1:31:37
  training. Yeah, I remember as well that
• 1:31:40
  because like the Diamond leagues, week in, week out, he
• 1:31:43
  was just blitzing them, wasn't he?
• 1:31:45
  And even like the commentators and people kind of in the know
• 1:31:49
  didn't really know who he was at first.
• 1:31:51
  Yeah, I think it was made worse. Like Stewie mixed Wayne.
• 1:31:55
  There's like an Aussie doing very well and he was sort of
• 1:31:57
  getting overshadowed a little bit by this guy who, you know,
• 1:32:02
  just burst onto the scene very quickly.
• 1:32:04
  Hike Mocheteer still has Olympic athlete, European champion,
• 1:32:07
  world silver medalist, European and national record holder and
• 1:32:11
  5K like he still has all that on his Instagram bio like.
• 1:32:17
  Is he active on there? Does he post and stuff his last?
• 1:32:20
  Post. Was.
• 1:32:22
  The 13th of August and the caption is there is no rush at
• 1:32:27
  this moment, just me, fruit and sweet certainty that everything
• 1:32:32
  is well. Yeah, he is nuts.
• 1:32:34
  But yeah, I'll text him to see if he comes on the pod.
• 1:32:40
  Put the feelers out. So he'll go for that interview
• 1:32:43
  next week. So he went.
• 1:32:46
  So this is his 1500m progression.
• 1:32:49
  So in 2018 he ran 3:40 20/19. He ran 337-2020.
• 1:32:55
  He ran 3:30 6/20/21. He ran 3/28.
• 1:33:00
  So yeah, not bad. I wonder when he'll be back
• 1:33:02
  because he wouldn't have got a lifetime ban.
• 1:33:04
  Would have been like four or five years maybe.
• 1:33:07
  He'd probably be back in the mix for LA.
• 1:33:09
  He'll make you know he'll he'll make you aware that he's back.
• 1:33:13
  OK, he'll know about it. I did see on, on Instagram the
• 1:33:17
  UK Athletics and I found this like hugely ironic and quite
• 1:33:21
  bizarre that there was, there was a post confirming that they
• 1:33:25
  had broke even for the first time in eight years and they
• 1:33:29
  were operating with 150, a £107,000 surplus, which in light
• 1:33:37
  of like the the light team that they sent to Tokyo.
• 1:33:40
  It's a bit of a joke really, isn't it, that they're then
• 1:33:44
  boasting about now being in a surplus and having extra cash
• 1:33:48
  sat there? But are are they a full profit
• 1:33:50
  organization? Well, and is this is what I was
• 1:33:53
  thinking as well, like why would that be something that they'd be
• 1:33:57
  stating? They're, they're government
• 1:33:59
  funded and they're there to then just what funding they get
• 1:34:03
  distribute the the, the issue is not the, the, it's not about
• 1:34:08
  them making money per SE. It's about where that money's
• 1:34:10
  going and the fact that it doesn't go to athletes like the
• 1:34:15
  the fact that you have people qualifying for championships and
• 1:34:19
  not being allowed to participate because the local authority
• 1:34:22
  doesn't allow them to, yet has money to sort of, you know, put
• 1:34:27
  into their own administration. And what you'd really love is
• 1:34:31
  transparency. Like I work for a large
• 1:34:33
  corporate and the amount of effort that has to go into
• 1:34:36
  creating transparency and what we do, you know, into as far as
• 1:34:41
  corporate responsibility and like license to operate, we have
• 1:34:45
  to do a lot of work in that space.
• 1:34:46
  You'd think these government organizations have to be very
• 1:34:50
  transparent with how they're spending their money, or they
• 1:34:52
  should be. Yeah, I don't know if you guys
• 1:34:54
  are aware, but we actually, you went out, we commented on the
• 1:34:58
  post saying I'm sure all those athletes who weren't selected to
• 1:35:02
  run the marathon are thrilled by this news.
• 1:35:07
  We, we got like 60 odd likes on it and all, all the other
• 1:35:10
  comments are of similar elk as well, just people having a crack
• 1:35:14
  at them. But we, we were there first.
• 1:35:16
  To be fair, I think we've kind of influenced everyone else.
• 1:35:19
  Oh. Dear.
• 1:35:21
  Oh, that's good, Yeah. I wouldn't, I don't use our
• 1:35:26
  social media to comment on your behalf some other things, but I
• 1:35:29
  felt that this was, we were well aligned on this stance.
• 1:35:34
  Bad complaints here. It's not long for the ride.
• 1:35:39
  That's it. Last item is the New York
• 1:35:43
  Marathon is next weekend. So I mean, I don't know if we
• 1:35:47
  want to talk about the fields in depth.
• 1:35:49
  We can mention it, I guess. It's obviously New York
• 1:35:54
  Marathon. It's one of the majors.
• 1:35:55
  So we'll we'll recap it properly next week.
• 1:35:58
  And the fields have been out there in the public for a while
• 1:36:01
  now. I think we we mentioned it when
• 1:36:03
  they were initially released, but they've made some changes or
• 1:36:07
  confirmation of withdrawals in the past week.
• 1:36:10
  So Bakili has been added, which means he races alongside
• 1:36:14
  Kipchogi yet again. So I'm sure despite the fact
• 1:36:19
  that they might not be up at the very front, they'll be a hell of
• 1:36:23
  a lot of coverage of those two. And it's always interesting
• 1:36:26
  watching them go side by side because, yeah, ultra
• 1:36:29
  competitiveness between them, because I think it's almost
• 1:36:33
  well, well accepted that one of the two of them is the ghost.
• 1:36:37
  And they probably understand that themselves and like to try
• 1:36:40
  and state claim as to which one of the two it is.
• 1:36:45
  And to compensate, I reckon he's compensating for the fact that a
• 1:36:49
  lot of people have been scratched as well.
• 1:36:51
  So Evans, Chibet, Gallata, Grofdahl, who's the Norwegian
• 1:36:56
  woman, Eilish Mccolgan, Alex Mayer, Johnny Mellor, Pat
• 1:37:00
  Tiernan and Simbu, the recent world champion, have all
• 1:37:03
  scratched. So a lot of big names withdraw
• 1:37:06
  in there, which is a shame for us and a shame for New York as
• 1:37:10
  as an event. I'm sure they're quite
• 1:37:12
  disappointed by that. But yeah, plenty of injuries
• 1:37:16
  floating around. I'm pretty sure I'm Fennil and
• 1:37:19
  Cormack from Ireland the became top ten in the Olympics or the
• 1:37:24
  world sorry and she's running New York.
• 1:37:27
  That'll be cool to see how she gets on.
• 1:37:28
  There's the Coffee Club. Who's the big?
• 1:37:29
  American. Who's the big American?
• 1:37:32
  They normally have like a standard.
• 1:37:35
  Well, isn't well joke. So the Coffee Club guys
• 1:37:41
  interviewed Joe Clecker this week, didn't they?
• 1:37:43
  And that was a good insight into him debuting, so that should be
• 1:37:48
  a fun watch. And then on there is Helen
• 1:37:53
  O'berry, who also trains with On.
• 1:37:55
  Is She Racing? I think as well.
• 1:37:59
  Yeah, I think it's hair and that Sharon Lakadi on the women's
• 1:38:02
  side. They're the usual New York
• 1:38:05
  sloths. But I listened to that Joe
• 1:38:09
  Clacko and myself, and I thought there was some interesting
• 1:38:11
  takeaways from it. Like did you have what he was
• 1:38:13
  saying about the fuel and he's going to potentially go up to
• 1:38:17
  175g an hour? Yeah, which is outrageous.
• 1:38:20
  It's interesting. Like I remember my first few
• 1:38:22
  marathons, I was feeling a lot more than even what I've thought
• 1:38:26
  I was. And I was sort of, I got
• 1:38:28
  comments around that being a bit sort of OTT.
• 1:38:33
  And now it seems much more commonplace, doesn't it?
• 1:38:35
  Like, And I think some of the like the Norwegians that are
• 1:38:40
  very transparent with what they do in terms of the Kona athletes
• 1:38:44
  and how much they're able to ingest, particularly when
• 1:38:46
  they're riding. And like, I mean, there's
• 1:38:49
  footage of Christian Blumenfeld through sort of throwing it up
• 1:38:52
  on the run later, but those guys really push the limits around
• 1:38:56
  how much they can tolerate. And yeah, it was just
• 1:38:58
  interesting insights into directionally what sports
• 1:39:02
  scientists think that they should be doing, which is
• 1:39:04
  consuming more. And the idea is that when you
• 1:39:07
  turn to that fat burning, that you're going to slow down.
• 1:39:10
  So yeah, I I enjoyed that chat from them.
• 1:39:15
  How would you even go about like fueling 175g an hour?
• 1:39:19
  So that's the average. Yale is like 30 so like.
• 1:39:24
  He was saying, yeah, so he was basically saying his his drink
• 1:39:27
  bottles. So like my pop tops are 250
• 1:39:30
  mils. So if you put like concentrated
• 1:39:32
  carbohydrates in there, you may be getting around 40 grams, 50
• 1:39:36
  grams of carbohydrates in there. Whereas he's taking on 400 mils.
• 1:39:40
  So you're, you're like if he's taking on 400 mils, he's saying
• 1:39:44
  he's basically able to get to 7 drink bottles.
• 1:39:48
  That's 2.8 litres that you're gonna hit that by taking on all
• 1:39:53
  that. So there is a way to do it.
• 1:39:55
  But yeah, you're ingesting 2.8 liters of fluid, which is not
• 1:39:59
  easy, that's for sure. Yeah, when you felt like.
• 1:40:03
  Go on I. Was going to say when they put
• 1:40:05
  it like that and said it's 2.8 liters and then you think about
• 1:40:09
  a litre bottle of anything, even a liter bottle of water and you
• 1:40:13
  then you consider you take it on almost three of those throughout
• 1:40:17
  the race. Like you don't think of it like
• 1:40:19
  that and it's a hell of a lot of liquid.
• 1:40:22
  I reckon after about 5 pop tops I'm starting to get like a
• 1:40:26
  stitch like it just feels I'm I feel full and then I start to
• 1:40:30
  turn to that's when I I strap gels to it because I'm
• 1:40:33
  struggling to ingest much more fluid.
• 1:40:37
  Like this washing around your belly, like, you know, when you
• 1:40:40
  feel like your water in your belly.
• 1:40:41
  Yeah, I don't know. That's what I love the big gels
• 1:40:44
  because like some of the Morton ones are like really thick, but
• 1:40:47
  the big Swans, they sort of like go down so easy.
• 1:40:50
  They're a little bit more liquid than the your standard gel.
• 1:40:53
  I think they like the pure ones. They're sort of that like
• 1:40:55
  consistency, which is just feel like it's like you're getting a
• 1:40:58
  drink and a gel at the same time.
• 1:41:00
  They bit of a mess on the bike sometimes trying to get in the
• 1:41:04
  the gels, the bigs gels. But I do appreciate Vlad helping
• 1:41:08
  us. New flavors taste very good, so
• 1:41:12
  kind of attest to that. That's why the the with the
• 1:41:14
  clacker thing, it's so good that the athletes are doing like
• 1:41:17
  these interviews and stuff because OK, obviously I knew who
• 1:41:20
  he was or I knew his name and stuff.
• 1:41:22
  But then until you hear of transparent conversation with
• 1:41:26
  him like that, you then make a bit of a connection with him and
• 1:41:29
  now you'll be actively like wanting him to run well and
• 1:41:31
  following him properly. Yep, which is why podcasts and
• 1:41:36
  and Instagram handles and YouTube channels, that's why so
• 1:41:39
  many pro athletes have their channel, because then you can
• 1:41:42
  actually as a way of storytelling and getting people
• 1:41:45
  excited, building hype for an event.
• 1:41:47
  Because absent that, the sport sort of the other narrators, the
• 1:41:50
  conventional sort of journalists and stuff don't do a good job of
• 1:41:54
  it. Go on the Let's run guys to do
• 1:42:01
  do a good job of it and they had some good some funny news items
• 1:42:05
  this week. Did you get round to it in the
• 1:42:09
  end? I did, yes.
• 1:42:10
  Good, good, good. A.
• 1:42:11
  Few laughs. I did very funny.
• 1:42:14
  It's interesting that they were talking about Joe Clackers now,
• 1:42:18
  like Ritzenheim's first Guinea pig over the marathon, isn't it?
• 1:42:22
  Like he's finally being able to coach someone towards a
• 1:42:25
  marathon, so obviously he's got great history and heritage in
• 1:42:29
  the marathon himself as an athlete.
• 1:42:30
  So yeah, interesting to follow from that point of view too.
• 1:42:34
  Well, whatever he does like it works with Helena Berry, like he
• 1:42:38
  writes her training so and she's like phenomenal.
• 1:42:42
  So it'd be interesting to see if Joe Clacker, because he's been
• 1:42:44
  such a good track athlete to see if he can like convert to the
• 1:42:48
  marathon because as we see with the some of the Kenyans just
• 1:42:51
  said them done the translation. I wonder if he he gave the the
• 1:42:55
  true story or the full picture as well as to why he's ended up
• 1:42:59
  running New York. So he kind of tried to paint it
• 1:43:01
  as it's a purely strategic decision in that he thinks he
• 1:43:07
  might be able to be most competitive there.
• 1:43:11
  But like, from a debut point of view like that, it's a tough
• 1:43:14
  selection, isn't it? You'd think perhaps the most
• 1:43:16
  conventional route would be choose a a flat fast one and get
• 1:43:20
  get one on the board. Almost.
• 1:43:22
  I think I think that like there'd be American only prize
• 1:43:26
  money and like contractual incentives that would get him to
• 1:43:29
  do it right. And so and then it's this time
• 1:43:33
  of year, you've only got a couple, you've got this or
• 1:43:35
  Chicago and Chicago would have had spent a lot of budget on
• 1:43:39
  mats and they already had a deep American field.
• 1:43:42
  So this one probably presents as a better opportunity to be
• 1:43:44
  competitive to domestically and sort of not get too dialed to a
• 1:43:50
  pace, but rather get a getting familiar with the event.
• 1:43:53
  Do you think we can we can allocate YouTube Diaries to
• 1:43:56
  Coffee Club? Interview with Joe Clacker
• 1:43:58
  there. Yeah, so check that out if
• 1:44:01
  you're you've got some time to kill post star episodes during
• 1:44:05
  the week ahead of the New York Marathon.
• 1:44:07
  That finally brings us to Double Trouble then.
• 1:44:09
  So I've received this Double Trouble in person yesterday,
• 1:44:14
  actually. So I was with Tom, Ted, John,
• 1:44:18
  Dan Wayne, who ironically is the guy who won the shoes from the
• 1:44:22
  Tokyo medal competition. And for full transparency, this
• 1:44:28
  first time I've ever met done so there was no fiddling of the
• 1:44:32
  results going on. He was making light of the fact
• 1:44:36
  that I'd bought him a pair of shoes and he was like
• 1:44:39
  sarcastically thanking me for it.
• 1:44:41
  But that was that was all good. So he throughout the day
• 1:44:47
  proceeded to pile on 5 or 6 double troubles to me.
• 1:44:50
  Like they just kept coming to him.
• 1:44:52
  He's like another double trouble, another double trouble.
• 1:44:55
  But the one that he went with initially was people who cool
• 1:44:59
  down for like 5K or more. It's it's all just junk mileage.
• 1:45:04
  It was funny because this then LED us to a debate as in what is
• 1:45:07
  the perfect ratio or perfect combo of warm up slash cool down
• 1:45:13
  distance? And when does it just become
• 1:45:16
  junk mileage? Because obviously they both
• 1:45:19
  serve a purpose as in getting you ready for the session and
• 1:45:22
  then like flushing the lactic or just lowering your heart rate
• 1:45:26
  back to a normal level for your cooldown, whatever it might be.
• 1:45:30
  Where does the crossover happen where you just purely start
• 1:45:33
  padding? And what do you think double
• 1:45:35
  Trouble in the first place? How much of that Jake
• 1:45:38
  Barracloughs 280K week is drunk mileage because he does that 5K
• 1:45:44
  world until then like I used to do.
• 1:45:48
  I think it's better time. Like I think 20 minutes for a
• 1:45:52
  warmth and cool down is like a nice number because yeah, I
• 1:45:55
  don't know, it's just a nice number.
• 1:45:56
  Like here personally, I do 15 now, but I think it's to do with
• 1:46:03
  the person as well if they have time.
• 1:46:06
  Like it's only an extra 5 minutes at the start and the
• 1:46:08
  end, but it does sort of make a difference.
• 1:46:11
  Like if I'm rushing to work, I'd also to have that 10 minutes to
• 1:46:14
  play around with. So I just do 15 minutes to 15
• 1:46:16
  minutes and I feel like I'm sort of in a nice sweet sprout this
• 1:46:20
  sweet spot with my mileage as well.
• 1:46:22
  Whereas like my body is like coping with the 120 a week.
• 1:46:26
  Whereas if I was to add another, like if I do, that's going to be
• 1:46:32
  another 4K on a right on a Tuesday, another UK on a
• 1:46:40
  Thursday and 2K on a Saturday. Like that's what it does add up
• 1:46:44
  and I feel like I don't really need it, but at the end of the
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  day it's just like like it's not going to make a difference
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  really well to in my head it doesn't.
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  I'm probably totally wrong, but I wouldn't call junk mileage
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  though. Like I think junk mileage is
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  just a thing of the thing in the pastor.
• 1:47:03
  It was just the same cool trend back in the day.
• 1:47:07
  How about though, if you if you chop the cooldown to 2K, is that
• 1:47:11
  extra 2K or extra 10 minutes? Like what purpose does that
• 1:47:16
  serve? Like are you getting fitter off
• 1:47:18
  that or it like I think that's the the point he's looking at in
• 1:47:23
  terms of saying is junk mileage. Like what purpose does that
• 1:47:27
  extra 2K slash 10 minutes serve? I think if you look at that, are
• 1:47:32
  you, the worry is you could probably apply that to one Rep
• 1:47:38
  and then one like the last 10 minutes of a long run like you,
• 1:47:45
  you know, like I think just directionally, like adding a bit
• 1:47:49
  to someone's warm up and cool down might help just overall
• 1:47:53
  find a way of safely introducing more load over time.
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  And so depending on where someone's at, that might be a
• 1:48:00
  good thing to do. And I think for me, if I only
• 1:48:03
  did say 5 minutes of a cooldown, I don't know if that'd be quite
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  enough. I don't know if I'd feel quite
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  right. So like I don't know if I'd pull
• 1:48:10
  up quite as well. But then if I think I did an
• 1:48:12
  hour after a workout, I think it would send me the other way.
• 1:48:15
  So the I, I tend to think like 1520 minutes is about feels
• 1:48:21
  about right for me. And if I'm in a rush, I'll do 10
• 1:48:24
  minutes. I could do 2 KS, that's normally
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  what I do, But I don't know if you want to get in the habit of
• 1:48:31
  of cutting all of those because then you cut like you can turn
• 1:48:34
  your 40 minute run to a 30 minute run and then you could
• 1:48:37
  buy that by that extension. You then just because a lot of
• 1:48:41
  what I think we're trying to do is like progressive overload.
• 1:48:45
  So you're trying to just stay in a constant state of slight
• 1:48:47
  fatigue to sort of force some adaption.
• 1:48:50
  So if you're not trying to find ways to do a bit more than put
• 1:48:53
  your body under more load than what it's been before, then
• 1:48:56
  you're you're going to find it hard to get fitter.
• 1:48:59
  I think so. And whether or not that's
• 1:49:01
  intensity or three more minutes of running so.
• 1:49:06
  Yeah, that's why you're on the pod, didn't.
• 1:49:12
  I reckon when I get back, because the different runaway
• 1:49:16
  seems to be 4 or 4 down or like 20 minutes warm up, 20 minutes
• 1:49:21
  cooldown, I can definitely see the benefit of a 20 minute warm
• 1:49:25
  up over a 10 minute warm up because I don't know, sometimes
• 1:49:29
  after 10 minutes you're not properly warm or ready for a
• 1:49:32
  session. Like 20 minutes is really what I
• 1:49:35
  feel like I need. But then sometimes in the
• 1:49:39
  cooldown, especially after like a big session, say like a track
• 1:49:42
  Tuesday, by the end of that 20 minute jog, you're like, I'm
• 1:49:47
  starting to feel like pretty depleted, like starving and
• 1:49:50
  tired. So I reckon there is space there
• 1:49:53
  to be a little bit more sensible and be like 10 to 15 is maybe
• 1:49:58
  more suitable depending on the context.
• 1:50:00
  Yeah. And you might notice if the
• 1:50:02
  program in training PECS hasn't been updated, the default
• 1:50:04
  prescriptions 10 minutes. It's just for a lot of us, we'll
• 1:50:08
  do 20. And I will happily admit that
• 1:50:12
  during that marathon build, I would be making sure I was doing
• 1:50:17
  4K to to get the mileage up. It's cheap, cheap mileage, Yeah.
• 1:50:23
  But now taking myself out of the environment a little bit and you
• 1:50:26
  can look at it a bit more reflectively and think, yeah,
• 1:50:29
  you are, you probably are chasing a little bit there.
• 1:50:31
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you definitely think about all the cooldown
• 1:50:36
  numbers when you're know you're on for a good week.
• 1:50:38
  And the same could probably be applied to like an easy double
• 1:50:41
  day if you run, if you run like a 6030 or something, obviously
• 1:50:45
  that has serves a purpose. But then if you keep nudging it
• 1:50:50
  up and you end up doing a 74-C or whatever, then obviously it
• 1:50:54
  crosses that threshold somewhere and becomes a waste of time or
• 1:50:59
  you don't actually get the recovery in it.
• 1:51:03
  Well, yeah, everyone now posting your 20 minute cooldowns are
• 1:51:07
  going to feel terrible. Thanks to Dan.
• 1:51:11
  He did. He did drag us to a nice wine
• 1:51:14
  bar though, so thanks Dan. Does he like the shoes?
• 1:51:17
  He loves the shoes. Yeah, he's.
• 1:51:19
  He plans to wear them for Valencia.
• 1:51:20
  Oh. He's doing Valencia.
• 1:51:24
  Yeah, he's going over with Tom. He may have messaged me a couple
• 1:51:29
  of double troubles as well, which is about podcast hosts
• 1:51:34
  with kids not showing up to Sunday arvo drinks.
• 1:51:38
  Yeah, something, something to that effect, which I did, I did
• 1:51:41
  enjoy. Yeah, it was good, good fun.
• 1:51:44
  I reckon that was done, boys. We've made it two hours long
• 1:51:48
  again. Congratulations.
• 1:51:50
  We this is before we finish. We, it's, it's problematic in
• 1:51:57
  that there's so many results and so many news items cropping up
• 1:52:01
  throughout the week. I feel like I don't have time to
• 1:52:04
  like study them properly to do them justice when we talk about
• 1:52:08
  them. And then because there's so much
• 1:52:10
  to talk about, we don't have time to physically talk about
• 1:52:14
  it. And the episodes end up being
• 1:52:16
  two hours. And maybe we didn't go into as
• 1:52:18
  much depth as we perhaps could have on some of the topics, but
• 1:52:21
  we also don't want to miss anything out.
• 1:52:23
  Two hours is a bit of depth, surely?
• 1:52:26
  Of. Waffle surface level on on 9/19
• 1:52:30
  agenda items. Running generalists, not not
• 1:52:35
  journalists. You could, you could do it like
• 1:52:37
  a results show on just this week alone, yeah, but yeah.
• 1:52:43
  We'll we'll figure it out. Yeah.
• 1:52:46
  But we're pumping out the episodes.
• 1:52:48
  That's all the counts. We're still 10.
• 1:52:50
  No, the listeners are still 10. No, that's the main thing.
• 1:52:53
  So thanks. And before you switch off, if
• 1:52:55
  you haven't given us that five star review, that would be
• 1:52:58
  greatly appreciated. I don't know anything about what
• 1:53:02
  it does, but I'm led to believe that it does something.
• 1:53:04
  So there you go. All right.
• 1:53:08
  Thanks guys. That's it.
• 1:53:10
  Appreciate it. See you guys.
• 1:53:11
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• 1:53:12
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