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Hamilton · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  Probably the best interpretation of of Jefferson ever.
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  Yeah, I mean, you could say whatever you want about the
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  Founding Fathers. They're all probably scumbags.
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  Oh yeah, by today's standards, not great guys.
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  However, I'll cancelable but in terms of the play.
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  Thomas Jefferson's a cool guy. Hello, and welcome to the Art of
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  Costume podcast. I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass.
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  And I'm Secretary of State Spencer Williams.
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  Hello Elizabeth. Good.
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  Hello Spencer. You'd make a good Secretary of
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  State, You think? So maybe.
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  Sounds fun. I feel like I could do a good
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  job. What does?
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  I think you could. What does the Secretary of State
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  do? Again, You know what?
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  Good question. What I do know is neither of us
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  should be Secretary of the Treasury.
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  Oh yeah, that is a faux show. It made too any poor financial
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  decisions recently. Yeah, we were.
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  Just before we started recording, Elizabeth and I had a
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  long conversation about our favorite game.
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  Streamlight Valley, where you where you live in a neighborhood
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  with Disney characters and we've been spending all of our money
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  on our new friends. I mean, look, I needed Stitch to
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  get his nice little costume for Halloween.
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  I can't. I don't know what else to say
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  exactly, exactly. I needed to bring Belle and
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  Beast into the valley and they need a nice home.
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  Belle might be making some. Oh my gosh.
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  Poor decision. You have to tell everyone about
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  this drama in your neighborhood before we get into the episode.
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  So because I'm a nerd and I just spend way too much time on this
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  game, Oh my gosh, I I brought if you play Dreamlike Valley, you
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  know the last update we can bring Belle and the Beast into
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  the neighborhood and they are now there.
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  They have their home. Yeah, they were high demand
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  characters. All the fans wanted Beast and
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  Belle and Belle. Yes 'cause they're amazing.
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  But you know, Beast isn't out and about as much as Belle is.
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  That's true, yeah. And I have seen Belle and Prince
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  Eric at Ratatouille's restaurant, Remy's restaurant
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  quite a bit, just sitting there casually asking for food.
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  And I don't know, I don't. It's suspicious to me it.
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  Just feels like both of them were just exploring their
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  options, which is interesting because we put in a lot of work
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  to bring Beast and I mean, we gave Ariel legs, yeah.
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  Just for Eric to be dating around when she's, you know,
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  back in her castle. But well, yeah, but like, I also
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  feel like it's like one of those things where it's like, oh, they
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  have a lot in common with the drama they've had to go through,
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  right? With their significant others.
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  And I'm like, is this bringing you together at Remy's
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  restaurant? Prince Eric Bell?
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  Explanations. So funny.
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  Oh man. So anyways, we've been taking
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  the fall season pretty hard, yes?
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  We miss spooky season. We don't know what to do of
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  ourselves. We don't.
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  We don't. But with that being said.
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  We are now, you know, in November and we're starting to
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  get in a lot of feedback from our spooky season and Elizabeth.
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  Our spooky season went off this year just like we thought it
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  would and did Thank you all so much.
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  We were so excited for the line up and the fact that you all
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  were equally as excited just made it all.
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  All the planning worth it. So worth it.
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  I mean, we had basically our highest listenership.
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  I mean, in like a year that's so many new, so many new costume
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  nerds joined the family this time around.
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  So welcome. I know we're not talking about
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  anything spooky today, though I could definitely say that what
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  we were just talking about, Dreamlite Valley, was pretty
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  horrific. But yeah, welcome to the family.
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  There's so many new listeners and we're getting to so many fun
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  costumes on the show. So if you don't like what you're
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  listening to this week, we'll have a whole new movie genre
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  next week. So just.
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  Yeah, you never know what we might.
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  Be talking about We never know. Now this is true, but sometimes
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  we just don't know. Elizabeth, I would love to read
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  some of the comments we got, though we got so many it took me
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  so long to compile everything. The first episode in their
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  spooky season was the interview of Aggie Rogers, which I
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  absolutely loved. I put out a poll for people to
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  vote on their favorite Aggie Rogers film and it was
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  overwhelmingly Beetlejuice. Which, yes, it's.
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  Yeah. It's the best, so absolutely.
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  And so many people were so inspired by that interview, it
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  seemed. Even costume designer Trish
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  Somerville, who we might be talking to sometime in the near
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  future. She left a comment saying Aggie
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  is amazing in all the ways, an inspiration and an advocate.
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  And just that was kind of the general consensus I got from
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  everyone who listened that that conversation was just so
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  inspiring to them and it was inspiring to me.
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  So I definitely understood where everyone was coming from.
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  And then next was Interview with the Vampire, and I was really
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  trying to figure out which of the vampires was everyone's
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  favorite. And sounds like a lot of us have
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  some serious issues because Lestat was definitely the
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  favorite. So yeah, I I don't understand
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  that. And then I also, so I was
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  inspired by watching the movie. I went and watched the TV series
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  that came out last year. I finished it.
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  I went back and finished it. And it's so good.
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  If you if you liked the movie, you'll like the TV series.
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  It's very different but it's really fantastic.
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  Oh, good, because I've been wondering if I shouldn't watch
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  it. So this is my kick to do it, and
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  it's pretty short. It's not super long there, and
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  that there is a planned Season 2, so that's exciting.
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  But that made me like, I like Lestat even less after watching
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  like he already. Like he was definitely not my
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  favorite character. And then I watched the TV series
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  and I was like, wow, Lestat's a terrible individual.
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  I don't know, because he's so terrible and so messy.
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  I do kind of have a soft spot for him.
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  I actually think I was one of the people that voted for
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  Lestat. So I will say he's messier and
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  more manipulative in the TV show.
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  Like the TV show, he's awful. Which it's all based on the Ann
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  Rice book. So yeah, which now I'm like now
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  I need to read this so. In a deep dive.
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  What I was blown away by was the huge reception to our Penny
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  Dreadful episode. Elizabeth and I were admittedly
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  a little nervous because I we knew that this was a niche show
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  and you either love the show or you've never even heard of it
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  before. This was a gamble and I think it
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  paid off. People love the Penny Dreadful
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  episode. Which made me really happy.
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  So much love for Vanessa Ives the character.
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  Pisces Moon 444 on Instagram said this just made me bleed
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  tears out of my eyes because I feel avagreen so much.
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  Josh did awesome too. Love the show and miss it.
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  Which tears of blood A good way to put it.
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  Love of the Years on Instagram said absolutely love the show.
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  I remember watching the finale, not knowing it was a finale and
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  being shocked. Beautiful costumes, great
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  acting, great colors and aesthetic.
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  I could go on and on and on about this show, which feel that
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  too, because I have been going on and on and on about it ever
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  since we recorded. Yeah, no, I feel those comments
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  so much. I miss Betty Dreadful.
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  So great. I was not prepared for the
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  divisive conversations in Sleepy Hollow, another very popular
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  episode. And people love Sleepy Hollow.
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  I was not prepared for the amount of Sleepy Hollow love
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  there was, Winter Woods on Instagram said.
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  I've been obsessed with this movie, The aesthetic and the
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  costumes since 1999. It's one of my absolute
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  favorites, which I get it. It was such a good film.
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  But then there's a question for us, which I thought was really
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  interesting. 80% chromium on TikTok asked.
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  Do you think there's a connection with the striped
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  dress and the bird in the cage note that you see throughout the
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  film? Oh, I actually love that.
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  I do kind of love that. But also like.
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  I it almost. I bet you it was something that
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  Colleen Atwood, like, subtly thought about.
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  Like they definitely thought about it.
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  It had to have crossed someone's mind, 'cause that that little
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  thing kind of like brought them together, I feel like.
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  And it happens a lot, yeah. So it's either that or just Tim
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  Burton's general love of black and white child.
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  Well. I mean, we have to talk about
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  that because we I was. I thought people were gonna
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  start showing up to my house. I was getting so many comments,
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  one person said. And I just had to read it.
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  They said neither of you noticed the similarity to Jack
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  Skellington's or Beetlejuice's outfit, The Vertical Stripes.
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  And I was like, we talk about that endlessly.
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  Welcome to the podcast. We definitely see the references
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  to Tim Burton throughout the film.
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  So yeah, that was definitely part of it was The Stripes, for
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  sure. And then there was just a
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  overwhelming response to the black and white dress.
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  People are obsessed with it. Tote's not gay on Instagram,
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  said. I've been dying for someone to
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  talk about this movie. Just subscribe to the pod and
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  then someone else brought this up to a few people brought this
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  up Crimson kick out on TikTok said.
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  I can't remember the source, but I remember hearing somewhere
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  that there's a subtle green threading to the black and white
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  look. And at first I was like, OK, but
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  then I kept getting a comment over and over and over and I
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  stopped and looked at it and I think there actually is.
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  It's very subtle. Elizabeth has her microscope out
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  right now. She's observing, possibly.
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  Possibly I would. If anyone has a source to this,
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  I would love for you to send the Our Way because no one was able
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  to quote it, but it's just like this lore amongst people who.
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  Work on this costume, so send it Colleen Atwood if you're
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  listening. Would love some clarification.
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  Colleen, let's be real. And another note before we move
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  on. Carlos Rosario on Instagram, I
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  wrote. That's one of my favorite
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  dresses that Colleen designed. I did the drawing for that
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  costume and still have the original drawing.
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  And I thought that was amazing. He actually sent over to
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  drawing. I'm not gonna post it here just
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  to, like, keep it personal. I don't know if he wants the
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  image circulating, but Elizabeth and I got to check out the
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  original sketch and it was sick. It's beautiful.
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  It's so gorgeous. So gorgeous.
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  So Carlos, we gotta talk. We gonna have you on the
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  podcast, Yeah. And one last thing about Sleepy
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  Hollow. The love for the crochet dress
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  worn by Miranda Richardson Elizabeth, you really, really
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  spoke to people. You were not the same.
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  A lot of people felt the same way as you.
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  But then I saw one comment actually, that I thought was
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  interesting. Patrick St.
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  John on Instagram said you should see the costume in
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  person. It's actually not crochet.
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  It's hand rolled and hand sewn strips of velvet that are sewn
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  to each other that would also make sense.
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  So yeah, that's interesting. Possible.
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  I believe them. But I do need to see it in
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  person that you know, but even if it is hand sewn velvet
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  strips, that's crazy talented. That makes me yeah, it's even
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  that more amazing. So yeah, Sleepy Hollow really
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  had people in the fields with this episode.
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  And then finally, our Crimson Peak interview.
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  So many people loved it. Of course.
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  One costume will them all was definitely Lucille's red dress,
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  Gabriella Vasek on Instagram said.
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  I have such a deep love for this movie and it doesn't surprise me
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  at all to hear that detail was drawn at such a menu level.
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  Absolutely stunning to hear a Craftsman speak about their
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  work. That's of course about Kate
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  Hawley, who we love, yes. Bobby Salter on Instagram said
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  the most beautiful costumes ever.
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  I love the design of the film. Can I agree more?
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  You know, I believe that it should have been Oscar nominated
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  and Oscar winning. Oh.
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  Yeah, and then pigment of your imagination on Instagram said I
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  was really looking forward to this episode and it did not
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  disappoint. I listened to it all through
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  class today while finishing my sewing project.
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  Thanks for inspiration, motivation at the Art of
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  Costume, and Kate Hawley. Happy Halloween.
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  Just so sweet. And then to wrap everything up,
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  Elizabeth, we got a really nice message I just wanted to read
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  because it really made my day and kind of tear up a little
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  bit. It said I love when everyone
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  sends notes, it says, greeting Spencer, Elizabeth and Daniel.
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  I am reaching out to you to share my fondness and
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  appreciation of your podcast. I dream of working in film and
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  TV costuming and I've really been enjoying a content you've
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  been creating to highlight the industry.
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  I listen to your show all the time.
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  Seriously. I even go back and listen to
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  repeat episodes which I love. I'm currently a fashion student
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  at Otis College and enjoy having you in my ear while studying.
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  You really helped inspire me and give me motivation to keep
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  pursuing this career. I love the pieces and designers
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  you choose to explore and find your discourse so interesting.
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  There aren't too many resources out there for newcomers.
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  I'm so hungry for info and was delighted to discover you on
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  Spotify. Your efforts really mean so much
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  to me and the rest of the hashtag costumers out there.
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  I started calling myself that now in parentheses.
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  So yes, sharing gratitude to you all.
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  You guys rock All the best Ava and that just baby tear up a
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  little bit. That was so sweet.
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  You you sent that in our Groove chat and I was like, 'cause I I
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  we were talking about this. I had a bit of a rough, rough
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  week and to see that I was just like, Oh yeah, I'm glad you all
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  like it. Yeah, I mean, we we work really
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  hard on this podcast and sometimes it feels, you know, we
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  wonder are we doing it right? Are we giving it our all our
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  people loving what we're playing now?
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  And you know, just every once when I get a little notes like
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  this, it just makes Al feel worth it.
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  So, man, thank you all so much. That's so sweet.
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  It's been a crazy year and we still have so much more great
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  content coming out, so yeah. Stay tuned.
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  We're already planning next year too, so we are OK.
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  Get on board, we are but Spencer.
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  Elizabeth, what did we what did we watch this week?
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  This week, so this week for the podcast we watched.
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  Something we're very excited about because we've never done
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  anything like this on a podcast before.
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  We watched Hamilton Now on Disney Plus, yes, our first
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  Broadway production. We're very excited about this
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  also because if you all have been with us for a little while,
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  you will know that this episode was supposed to come out during
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  the 4th of July holiday. That's also when the beginnings
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  of the SAG after strike came down.
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  So this episode has been vaulted for a little while.
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  Yeah, yeah, we did. We took a pause so, you know,
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  people could focus on the strikes and get in that info out
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  there. But now?
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  We're back. It's time to bring it back out.
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  And you thought, you know what, November?
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  Why not? Yeah.
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  That feels almost kind of the right time, I guess, if you're
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  into that sort of thing, so. Let's dive into Elizabeth
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  Spencer. Oh, you give us a summary?
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  I will Elizabeth Hamilton is the real life story of one of
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  America's foremost Founding Fathers and 1st Secretary of the
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  Treasury Alexander Hamilton Hamilton on Disney Plus was
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  captured live on Broadway in 2016 from the Richard Rodgers
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  Theatre with the original Broadway cast.
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  And that is Hamilton. Very exciting, yeah.
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  That's how it goes. Let's dive behind the costumes.
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  Hamilton was directed by Thomas Kael.
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  The book, music and lyrics were written by Lin Manuel Miranda,
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  the mastermind behind this whole production.
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  And the costumes were designed by someone who we love, costume
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  designer Paul Tazewell. You might remember Paul's work
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  from when we did an episode. Gosh, was that last year on West
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  Side Story? That seems like forever ago.
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  Paul was nominated for an Oscar for that.
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  If you remember us talking about those costumes.
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  Some other noble works would be The Wiz Live, for which Paul won
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  an Emmy, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, which featured
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  Oprah. Paul did the costumes for Jesus
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  Christ Superstar. Our Live In Concert was
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  nominated for an Emmy, which is pretty cool for Elizabeth, who's
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  been working on a similar feature.
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  Yeah. And Paul also did costumes for
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  the film Harriet, which featured Cynthia, Arvio, and then Paul.
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  This is the first time where I was looking up a costume
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  designer and I actually had a. Count multiple times how many
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  nominations this person has. Turns out the math is 7 Tony
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  nominations and a Tony win for Hamilton.
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  Well deserved. Seriously.
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  And you know, I of course tried to reach out to Paul to have him
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  on a podcast. He's a fan of the podcast.
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  You know, he was kind of instrumental in saying this
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  feedback on the West Side Story episode.
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  So I reached out to Paul and I wasn't able to get in touch with
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  him. But then I figured he has the
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  best excuse in the world. He does.
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  Because he's currently working on the costumes for incredible
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  film Wicked, starring Cynthia Ervio and Ariana Grande.
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  So he's busy. Yeah, I can't wait.
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  I'm very excited for this. It's going to be so good.
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  We actually have some pictures here just for Elizabeth and I
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  and they already all just like sneak peek behind the scenes.
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  Pictures look really cool so. They're also keeping it very
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  hush hush. So yes, yes, they are.
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  They are. They've been so, like, selective
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  with what they've put out so far.
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  And I'm like, I don't blame you. I don't blame you.
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  That marketing team is right up all day and all night and with
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  that, just some behind the costume facts.
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  You know, Paul has done plenty of interviews about this, but I
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  actually would like to say that some journalists need to maybe
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  work a little bit harder on having like a strong record
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  because they never seem to cite their sources very well.
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  So I've been struggling with this one.
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  That being said, Paul said talking about preparing for this
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  production, he said. I wouldn't have been able to
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  design it without everything that came before.
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  All the productions I've done and the experience of period
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  research and character interpretation came together to
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  be able to make Hamilton yeah. So just looking at all of his
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  previous work, you could really see how really LED up to
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  Hamilton and really just took his career to a whole new level.
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  And also so much about what Hamilton is, is collaboration
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  with other departments, You know, because this is a stage
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  play, we never really talked about those before.
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  But I mean, you would know, Elizabeth, it's costume
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  designing, it's lighting, it's production, it's choreography.
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  I mean there's. A lot of, a lot of different
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  factors when you're. Designing something for the
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  stage, I love this. Having you as like a theater
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  costume designer, this is cool, Elizabeth Paul said in an
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  interview with Vogue. We were just unpacking all of
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  all of the possibilities and myriad ways that the show could
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  be done. We were trying to balance a
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  historic scenario that people and established icons are
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  founding fathers that we all studied in school of the
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  contemporary language of hip hop in the very contemporary way,
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  Where's the sweet spot for that to live?
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  And it's true, they want us to feel modern and hip hop, but
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  also, you know, it's George Washington.
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  So how do you find that fine line?
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  Absolutely. And they do a great job and it
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  like it's it's one of those things where it really all
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  blends seamlessly. You don't think of anything as
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  being out of place? Yeah, it it's just like such a
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  fine line. And going into the research for
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  Hamilton, Paul actually said in an interview of National Arts
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  Club in a live interview. So in that interview, our very
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  own Mariana Sandoval at the Art of Costume attended a lot of
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  these events and which is where a lot of these quotes come from.
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  So shout out to Mariana in that interview.
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  He told the audience that he started taking reference
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  paintings from the period to understand what people wore and
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  how they wore it. Then he looked at different
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  inspirations from the modern world, taking elements from the
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  past and transforming them. This has included paintings from
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  many different artists and photo shoots from John Galliano and
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  Alexander McQueen. So he's really merging the
• 22:46
  modern world and the world of Alexander Hamilton.
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  I love it, which it's just so fun.
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  With that Elizabeth. We're going to take a little
• 22:55
  break and when we come back we have a ton of costumes to talk
• 22:58
  about. All right, Elizabeth I ready to
• 23:25
  get into the costumes of Hamilton.
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  This is fun. I'm excited.
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  So let's just start from the beginning of Hamilton.
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  One thing that you notice almost right away is the very plain tan
• 23:43
  type colored costumes. And at first I was like oh
• 23:47
  that's interesting. But then as I started doing
• 23:49
  research, Paul really has such great reasoning for why these
• 23:54
  characters are in that tan color or as Paul calls it, a parchment
• 23:59
  color. So Paul explains, while the
• 24:02
  ensemble wears a creamy neutral tone like parchment paper, the
• 24:07
  lead stand out, which is why the leads will be in a more of a pop
• 24:10
  of color and everyone around them will be in this parchment
• 24:14
  type color. But also these costumes are
• 24:17
  still a little bit more modern too.
• 24:19
  If you notice the pants are a little bit more fitted, they're
• 24:22
  wearing these great boots and it's kind of the help that
• 24:25
  audience relate to this the the ensemble cast kind of like a
• 24:30
  jeans, T-shirt, sneakers type of vibe.
• 24:32
  So it's a little bit more modern, while also kind of just
• 24:35
  like being a part of the background.
• 24:37
  I I love this look so, so much. It's probably my favorite of the
• 24:43
  whole. Production is the ensemble cut,
• 24:47
  yes. So my favorite costume film of
• 24:52
  all time does something very similar, and I love it because
• 24:56
  it's so versatile and it just lets people act.
• 25:00
  And it's like you can add things because like, all right, now
• 25:03
  we're doing this, so let's just add this real quick thing and it
• 25:06
  tells the story in a much more bold way, I think.
• 25:11
  Then having like super elaborate costumes, right?
• 25:15
  Which actually brings me to the quote I want to read.
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  It's one of my favorite quotes about costume designing of all
• 25:21
  time and I think I've brought this quote up in other episodes.
• 25:25
  But when talking about these costumes and just Hamilton in
• 25:29
  general, Paul said in A that we don't have the source.
• 25:33
  So I whoever got this quote props to you because it's so
• 25:38
  good but it's never been cited. But Paul said I think basic
• 25:42
  Theatergo has realized when a costume is sparkly and glamorous
• 25:45
  and they realize when it's wrong, but if it's right then it
• 25:48
  should get out of the way. The costume shouldn't go away
• 25:52
  but should get out of the way so you can be in the moment and
• 25:55
  experience this world. And I just think that's so cool
• 25:57
  that the costume is so right that just is able to immerse you
• 26:01
  in the moment and not just, you know, taking advantage of the
• 26:04
  camera and your eye and lets you enjoy the story, which is so
• 26:08
  important in this film, 'cause I don't know if you ever saw the
• 26:11
  subtitles for Hamilton, but they go pretty quickly, so.
• 26:14
  I have not, no. I love it so much.
• 26:18
  And the the film I'm thinking about is The Much Ado About
• 26:22
  Nothing from 1994 with Denzel Washington.
• 26:27
  Like kind of the same concept, and I love it in that.
• 26:31
  And in this I think it's like much more bold than in the
• 26:36
  movie. This is much more bold and more
• 26:39
  meaningful to the overall story. And I think you actually got to
• 26:44
  one of the points that you were talking about because Paul said
• 26:48
  in an interview of Vogue that the pale parchment color was
• 26:51
  chosen to lewd to Hamilton's writings.
• 26:55
  And they felt like having these costumes, they were able to add
• 26:58
  things on, add different colors, add different pieces on.
• 27:01
  So it's almost was like working as like a blank palette for
• 27:04
  people to for the costume designer to be able to draw upon
• 27:08
  and for characters to add on to. So I think you nailed it,
• 27:11
  Elizabeth. I I love that.
• 27:13
  I love that. I love that.
• 27:15
  It's it's not like trying to. I feel one of the things I like
• 27:18
  about. Hamilton is like, I feel like
• 27:20
  it's not trying to make any particular actor like this
• 27:24
  historic person, It's just trying to tell the story of that
• 27:28
  historic person. So I love that, Speaking of
• 27:32
  historic people, at the beginning of the production we
• 27:35
  get to meet Aaron Burr and. Sorry, played by Leslie Odom
• 27:43
  Junior. Aaron Burr starts in that Raisin
• 27:47
  color and is never in that parchment color.
• 27:49
  I was years ago. Two years ago I produced a
• 27:53
  conversation with Paul where we had him do an interview with fit
• 27:57
  him and it's on YouTube. You can all watch it.
• 27:59
  I'll put in a show notes after so that was never transcribed.
• 28:03
  But I went back and listened to the audio tape this morning and
• 28:07
  he said that Aaron Burr starts in a Raisin color and never
• 28:10
  parchment. Because Aaron Burr is actually
• 28:12
  supposed to be the narrator of the story, and therefore he is
• 28:16
  not a page of Hamilton's book, which is why he's never in a
• 28:20
  parchment color, which I just thought that was Badass, that
• 28:23
  is. Amazing because he is underneath
• 28:25
  that it is pure white. It's not.
• 28:28
  It's not any other shade like only nerds like us would ever
• 28:33
  see something like that. Like, whoa.
• 28:37
  I just love that. It's.
• 28:38
  I love it too. It's so smart.
• 28:40
  Yeah, it's so good. Let's get into, let's start to
• 28:44
  introduce some characters. We have John Lawrence, Alexander
• 28:48
  Hamilton, of course, Marquis de Lafayette and Hercules Mulligan
• 28:53
  at the beginning of the play. And they each kind of are like
• 28:56
  in their working coats, you know, very 18th century.
• 29:03
  But they each have their own identity too.
• 29:06
  Paul noted that Hamilton was in a workers coat that was kind of
• 29:10
  inspired by his upbringing in the Caribbean islands, which is
• 29:14
  a suede. I yeah, I really like all these.
• 29:16
  I also like how it. They kind of, you can see the
• 29:19
  different, like, social classes. Like, obviously Lafayette has
• 29:24
  the nicest coat, 'cause he's just like I'm Marquis from
• 29:28
  France, like over here being like, yeah, let's start a
• 29:31
  revolution and my very nice blue velvet coat.
• 29:35
  And then John and Hercules, they're clearly like Hamilton,
• 29:38
  more working class. Like, not, not all the money, so
• 29:43
  much more industrious and used. Like Lafayette's coat doesn't
• 29:47
  look as used as theirs do, right?
• 29:50
  I would totally agree with that. I always thought Hercules
• 29:52
  Mulligan's beanie was like an interesting choice.
• 29:55
  I don't know. Were the people were beanies
• 29:57
  back then or is it just to make it a little bit more like hip
• 30:00
  hop? I mean, there were knit caps for
• 30:03
  sure for the winter, but. I I think that was more a
• 30:07
  character choice. OK, well, it's cool.
• 30:11
  I love it. I wouldn't do it.
• 30:12
  Do it without it. It fits.
• 30:14
  And I mean, it fits the whole more like modern hip hop
• 30:17
  aesthetic, right? But I wanna jump into the Skyler
• 30:23
  Sisters, my favorites. Honestly, this song, The Skyler
• 30:27
  Sisters, I yeah, you. You should hear my shower
• 30:30
  rendition. I was.
• 30:32
  I was listening to it in the shower this morning, too.
• 30:34
  And I was like, yes, work. It's so good.
• 30:39
  And I just like, you know, we talked about this when we did
• 30:41
  West Side Story, but Paul Tazewell is a master of, like,
• 30:44
  using color. If you remember, we talked about
• 30:47
  like that yellow and red dress he did for Maria when we said
• 30:51
  that she's kind of like the sun. I feel like he did the same
• 30:54
  thing with the Schuyler sisters and just the use of color in his
• 30:57
  play in general. Absolutely.
• 31:00
  And I think it like. It's very good at depicting
• 31:04
  their individual personalities. Eliza, you know, she's a very
• 31:10
  brave woman, like speaks her mind, but she's still very much
• 31:14
  like a lady of the time. Like not.
• 31:18
  Nearly is still like soft and like reserved.
• 31:22
  Whereas like Angelica, she's out here in orange.
• 31:24
  She's like doing the most out of all the sisters.
• 31:30
  And then poor Peggy. Oh man.
• 31:34
  Well, it's funny you say those things, because actually it
• 31:37
  seemed like Paul had the least to say about Peggy.
• 31:41
  So again, into the Skyler sisters.
• 31:44
  First of all, they're all in taffeta.
• 31:47
  They called it Skyler's sister Taffeta.
• 31:50
  And Paul said in that YouTube interview I was talking about
• 31:54
  that Eliza has a lot of scenes of Hamilton, so he wanted to
• 31:57
  keep Eliza in cooler colors because she's more forthright.
• 32:01
  She's solid, strong, intelligent.
• 32:04
  You know, she's similar to angelic in ways like you said,
• 32:07
  but she's a little bit more of calm, a lady at a times and less
• 32:10
  of a socialite compared to Angelica Schuyler, who is the
• 32:14
  most socialite of all of them. He used a bruised pink silk
• 32:19
  taffeta shot through with a solar gold hue to feel like an
• 32:24
  18th century painting. Also because there's an energy
• 32:28
  about her that felt like the sun, just very warm.
• 32:31
  And that was in an interview with Vogue, which I'm like,
• 32:34
  yeah, again, you know, Angelica kind of is like the sun that
• 32:38
  these sisters kind of revolve around.
• 32:39
  Oh. Yeah, Hamilton revolves around
• 32:42
  her. You know, everyone just is
• 32:43
  obsessive Angelica. Yeah, I mean.
• 32:47
  I know this is a story all about Hamilton, but I do think
• 32:50
  Angelica's my favorite character.
• 32:51
  Oh yeah, no, Hamilton's not in the top three for me.
• 32:59
  Sorry, Hamilton. It's definitely, it's definitely
• 33:02
  the ladies of his life that make this play.
• 33:07
  And then talking about Peggy, what I got for Paul is that, you
• 33:11
  know, he wanted Peggy's color to work with Eliza and Angelica.
• 33:17
  And you know, he want her to have a separate color, but
• 33:20
  that's, you know, just neighboring.
• 33:22
  So that's why she's in the yellow.
• 33:24
  So you know we love you, Peggy. You're.
• 33:26
  Great, Peggy. Yeah, yeah, she.
• 33:29
  I mean, that really is really what that color does.
• 33:33
  You just flipped to probably my third favorite character.
• 33:38
  That's fair. Actually, probably my second.
• 33:41
  King George. Jonathan Groff plays King George
• 33:46
  and it is brilliant. The songs I know the most words
• 33:50
  to are his songs, honestly. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:55
  And the way he comes out in literally the most English.
• 33:58
  Get King, Get up. You could possibly ever have,
• 34:03
  Yeah. Which actually was very
• 34:05
  intentional. He looks very heavy, which Paul
• 34:09
  was saying. That's very intentional.
• 34:12
  Everyone in a production are like young revolutionaries, you
• 34:16
  know, They're all like young kids in the streets and love and
• 34:19
  game talking about this whole like, independence thing.
• 34:23
  Contrasting is their oppressor, the very heavy King George who
• 34:27
  is literally wearing the most. He even said the original crown
• 34:31
  was very heavy and was made out of metal originally just because
• 34:35
  it was just bringing everything down and being stuck in history,
• 34:39
  which I would say very much is what the royal family even is up
• 34:44
  to today. So it's like I would know they
• 34:46
  eventually brought the metal out of the crown out or brought it
• 34:50
  down, but at first it was just like very heavy and which is why
• 34:54
  I would say, you know, King George's dance move is just the
• 34:57
  movement of the shoulders because that's all he can do.
• 35:02
  It's just it's so good and it it's so it's so funny because
• 35:08
  like now when I see him, I think of Queen Charlotte, the TV
• 35:11
  series and that King George and I'm like.
• 35:14
  These two King Georges cannot live in my mind.
• 35:16
  They have to be like separate entities.
• 35:19
  I had to remind myself today. I was like, oh, this is supposed
• 35:21
  to be the same King George that is.
• 35:25
  The as the same King George as the hot Queen Charlotte.
• 35:28
  King George. Yeah, I always imagined King
• 35:31
  George like he's in the hot King George.
• 35:35
  That just hit me. Just now I.
• 35:38
  Mean Jonathan Groff is a is a good looking man, but not a
• 35:43
  wrestling piece To Mindhunter by the way, on Netflix.
• 35:46
  I wish they kept that show going, you bastards.
• 35:52
  Then we have Chris Jackson, who plays George Washington, which.
• 35:57
  Is going through my favorite characters in order?
• 36:00
  Yeah, well, it's the order to play.
• 36:04
  So Elizabeth, you just went to see George Washington's
• 36:06
  monument. Did it hold up to Chris
• 36:09
  Jackson's performance? Yeah, it's honestly like I was
• 36:17
  like, I was so stressed out. What?
• 36:20
  I think I blacked out a little. When I was there, but it was
• 36:25
  like like, it's just it's just so tall and it's so wide and I
• 36:35
  just like, I wasn't expecting that.
• 36:38
  You didn't seem like the first Spider Man movie when he like.
• 36:41
  Well, yeah, but like, that's on my TV screen, so it's like that
• 36:45
  big and. I I wanted to go like in but
• 36:50
  there were all the tickets were sold out.
• 36:53
  I also forgot that it was like built in stages.
• 36:55
  So it's like from far away it all looks like one color, but up
• 36:57
  close it's not. This episode was not sponsored
• 37:01
  by the Washington Monument, if anyone's starting to get that
• 37:04
  impression. It wasn't.
• 37:07
  I was just. I was.
• 37:08
  I was shocked in my state of anxiety.
• 37:14
  Well, back to George Washington at his costume.
• 37:18
  I always like this costume because you know, it's kind of
• 37:20
  the George Washington we know with the hat.
• 37:23
  The hat is what screams George Washington to me.
• 37:26
  But still like a very like modern take on the costume.
• 37:29
  It still feels cool. Hip hop, you know.
• 37:32
  He has some of the best raps going on.
• 37:35
  So I always love this costume. I love it too.
• 37:39
  I love the simplicity they put in the coat.
• 37:42
  I think that's. Like they were.
• 37:45
  Paul retains the elements you need to, like, recognize it as
• 37:49
  like a coat worn by the American Army.
• 37:53
  But like, it's bold enough to, like, stand out and like, not
• 37:58
  just not be doing too much right.
• 38:01
  Yeah, exactly. And Speaking of the coats, I
• 38:03
  mean, everyone gets one too, which is pretty exciting.
• 38:05
  Yeah, I love seeing. Yeah, there's not a lot of
• 38:09
  costume changes in this production.
• 38:13
  As we kind of mentioned earlier, they're always brain like that
• 38:16
  kind of like beige parchment color and it kind of build onto
• 38:18
  it. So it is kind of exciting to see
• 38:20
  them like build onto it with the military codes before we get to
• 38:23
  the second-half of the play of which, you know, always good
• 38:26
  times building on the costume. And with that, Elizabeth, we
• 38:32
  need to take a little intermission.
• 38:34
  An intermission? Alright, yeah, before we get to
• 38:36
  the second part of the play. Is King George going to talk us
• 38:40
  in and out of this intermission? Maybe Daniel, Maybe Daniel?
• 38:45
  Daniel, get on that. Hi, this is Dan, audio engineer
• 39:06
  of the podcast here to let you know that if you wanted to
• 39:09
  support the show, you can head over to the Art of
• 39:12
  costume.com/POD store. There you can buy some awesome
• 39:17
  tea, public merch with the podcast logo such as a shirt,
• 39:22
  coffee mug, stickers and of course a baby onesie.
• 39:27
  Thanks for all your support. Thank you for that lovely
• 39:49
  intermission introduction, Daniel And we have grown up
• 39:56
  Hamilton, which is how I always think of Hamilton and Act 2.
• 40:00
  Yeah, the Hamilton we all remember from our textbooks,
• 40:04
  kind of. Do you know how funny it is to
• 40:06
  me how many people think Hamilton was a president and I
• 40:09
  want to bang my head against my keyboard?
• 40:12
  I'm not shocked. Our educational system is not
• 40:15
  great. Yeah, well, Hamilton was never
• 40:17
  president. He was the secretary of
• 40:20
  Treasury. The first one, which is, brings
• 40:23
  us to our next costume. We're going to talk about one of
• 40:27
  the few directives that Lin Manuel Miranda gave to designer
• 40:30
  Paul Tazewell about his costume was that in the second act, he
• 40:33
  wanted Hamilton's color to be green because green is the color
• 40:40
  of money, and when he becomes Secretary of Treasury, it's just
• 40:43
  all green. It's actually funny.
• 40:45
  I found a portrait, allegedly of Alexander Hamilton, and he's
• 40:49
  wearing green too, so I'd like to imagine that this guy was
• 40:52
  feeling himself, feeling the money and wearing green is
• 40:55
  everyday life, but that's just fun costume green.
• 40:58
  With like the gold, yeah, that cash and.
• 41:01
  Coin Hamilton was feeling himself.
• 41:06
  Probably at this point in his life, absolutely.
• 41:09
  Yeah. But the green looks so good on
• 41:11
  Lin Manuel Miranda too. I love that emerald.
• 41:14
  Yeah. It's a great choice and another
• 41:18
  character who ends up in themselves is David Diggs as
• 41:22
  Thomas Jefferson. Oh gosh, probably the best
• 41:28
  interpretation of of Jefferson ever, right?
• 41:32
  You can't help but, like, kind of like him.
• 41:34
  I mean, you could say whatever you want about the Founding
• 41:36
  Fathers. They're all probably scumbags.
• 41:39
  Oh yeah, by today's standards, not great guys.
• 41:42
  However, I'll cancelable. But in terms of the play, Thomas
• 41:47
  Jefferson's a cool guy and originally he was supposed to be
• 41:50
  wearing a brown velvet jacket. But Diggs Energy undid this
• 41:55
  notion pretty quickly for Paul Taswell and he said in a
• 42:00
  interview of Vogue, there need to be a bolder sense about him.
• 42:04
  So I made a choice to go off this amalgamation of Prince and
• 42:09
  Jimi Hendrix, which seemed true to the image of David,
• 42:12
  naturally, his persona. And then as he played Thomas
• 42:16
  Jefferson. So you're going to see, as you
• 42:19
  all remember from a play that he wears a lot of purple, purple
• 42:23
  velvet, and it looks so good. I mean, he looks amazing.
• 42:27
  He has a very strong Prince vibes the moment you see him,
• 42:31
  absolutely. Yeah, I love this look,
• 42:33
  especially because, like, Jefferson has so much energy in
• 42:37
  this play. Like David goes like, oh oh
• 42:41
  gosh, she's knocking my headphones off.
• 42:45
  Elizabeth just punched herself in the head.
• 42:51
  Anyway, can't believe I just did that.
• 42:55
  David goes all in on this character like even more than he
• 42:58
  does for a Lafayette. And he goes like.
• 43:02
  All in for a Lafayette as well. But the like Jefferson, he just
• 43:07
  gives him like such a powerful energy, such a commanding
• 43:10
  energy. Seriously, I I think that was
• 43:14
  like a great choice to just move it to that like that, dark like.
• 43:19
  Purple color. Yeah, especially against an
• 43:22
  ensemble behind him. That purple color just like pops
• 43:25
  so strongly. And I I just can't get enough of
• 43:28
  it every time. I've actually seen Hamilton in
• 43:31
  person twice. Not the original cast, but in
• 43:35
  LA. And yeah, that purple just hits.
• 43:37
  Even in real life too. It's so good.
• 43:40
  I love the purple too. When we get into the first
• 43:42
  cabinet battle, when you see the purple against the green, just
• 43:47
  the colors are just working so hard.
• 43:50
  And these scenes in the second-half of the production,
• 43:53
  they Paul Paul just kills it with the color.
• 43:57
  Yeah, they really are. They're like, oh, they are.
• 43:59
  They're fighting on all fronts, verbally and their wardrobes.
• 44:05
  Yeah, it's literally a battle of the costumes.
• 44:07
  And honestly, I have to say, Jefferson's winning and the
• 44:11
  sense of the costume for me. I also just love how you can
• 44:14
  like, see like, yes, they're both like very important members
• 44:20
  of our government, but you can see like the like, status,
• 44:23
  disparage, disparity between the two of them.
• 44:26
  Still, yeah, that's. True 'cause like, even though
• 44:28
  Hamilton's like climbed so high, even in this world, it's like.
• 44:33
  Yeah, the rich landowner from Virginia is always gonna be,
• 44:36
  like a little more, a little more important, which I feel
• 44:40
  like Jefferson definitely thinks he is like, 'cause he has just
• 44:46
  like so much. So like all the buttons and
• 44:49
  Hamilton's just like, yeah, like you, you can have that.
• 44:52
  I'm in charge of the money. Jefferson's very embellished,
• 44:56
  and Hamilton is still a little bit more grounded.
• 44:59
  Man, that's such a good point, Elizabeth.
• 45:01
  It just really does such a great job.
• 45:05
  So Eliza and Angelica get some costume updates as well.
• 45:10
  They're still in those same original colors, but it's a
• 45:13
  little bit more polished as the time period changes a little
• 45:17
  bit. Yeah, it's a little.
• 45:19
  It's a little more grown up. Yeah.
• 45:21
  You know, they're not just walking around the streets
• 45:23
  singing about. Finding a man.
• 45:27
  They have met now. Now they're ladies of the time,
• 45:32
  and the detail on Angelica's costume is just really cool.
• 45:38
  Yeah, I also love that she has like the like.
• 45:40
  It looks more like a riding or like a walking outfit to say
• 45:44
  like she's still, she's still like living her life to the
• 45:47
  fullest. But you know.
• 45:49
  She's got other responsibilities now.
• 45:52
  Yeah, we're talking about the song Take a break, by the way,
• 45:56
  which is such a good one. And then?
• 46:02
  A red dress comes along. Yay, we haven't had a Red Dress
• 46:08
  Alert in a long time on this podcast Red Dress Alert with
• 46:13
  Maria Reynolds. Who, as you might remember, was
• 46:20
  Peggy until Peggy actually died. Oh my gosh.
• 46:24
  Wait, what? You didn't know this?
• 46:26
  Peggy dies during the play. Well, you don't see her die, but
• 46:30
  she. Dies during the course of
• 46:31
  history. OK, yeah, I think she died
• 46:35
  pretty young. But I'm not a Peggy Skyler
• 46:38
  expert, but I. Was unaware, but I also realize.
• 46:42
  Like, 'cause I know they're pretty much all like double
• 46:44
  cast, but for some reason I never made that connection.
• 46:47
  Wow, she has range. She's a lot of range.
• 46:50
  She has range. Maria Reynolds is wearing this
• 46:53
  red, very kind of sensual. I love like the straps going
• 47:01
  across the bodice is very kind of like S&M in ways that like
• 47:06
  you know, 18th century would be. And what I love is that it's
• 47:09
  only there's only like one side of quote, UN quote lacing.
• 47:14
  And it's like she's missing the other side or she's like it's
• 47:17
  half done for you. Yeah.
• 47:19
  Oh my gosh, it's so hot, so spicy.
• 47:24
  This dress is like the epitome of spicy.
• 47:27
  In the 18th century, yeah, yeah, it is the color.
• 47:32
  If if if she pushes her her sleeves up anymore, she's gonna
• 47:35
  be showing some elbow, Spencer, that would be that would be the
• 47:39
  most spicy. I'd probably fall down right
• 47:40
  now. Right, right.
• 47:42
  Look, you had a sketch of Paul Tazewell's.
• 47:44
  It looks like it was supposed to be even spicier too.
• 47:47
  It was going even lower, so it definitely would have saw elbows
• 47:51
  in there. Oh yeah, you would have for
• 47:53
  sure. Scandalous.
• 47:56
  My favorite song. So toward the end of the
• 48:02
  musical, we have the song Burn, which Philippa Sue just kills it
• 48:08
  as Eliza with the burning of the letters and stuff.
• 48:11
  Man, that song hits. She she has my two favorite
• 48:15
  songs. And this is #2 yeah, I love,
• 48:19
  'cause I believe historically wise, it's like the early 1800s
• 48:23
  at this point. So we're going more into like
• 48:26
  the Regency era with like, the Empire waste.
• 48:29
  And it just like it holds that, like Essence of Eliza, which I
• 48:33
  like, 'cause it's so in contrast to what she's currently doing.
• 48:37
  It's like she's not normally this person, but she has been
• 48:39
  pushed over the edge. Yeah, she's had it.
• 48:42
  Yeah, rightfully so, Yeah. I love, I love what you said too
• 48:50
  about like we're now in the 1800s just starting to see a
• 48:52
  little bit of an Empire waistline, which I honestly
• 48:55
  never noticed until like very recently.
• 48:58
  But she's still like in her Eliza colors, but they're
• 49:01
  changing a little bit. And she's, you know, feeling
• 49:03
  very vulnerable and sad, but also just like really taking in
• 49:07
  the spotlight and starting to just she's had it like you said,
• 49:10
  she's had it with these dumb men.
• 49:12
  And we're ready to just let's move on from this chapter until
• 49:16
  things change. But.
• 49:17
  Yeah, and it's like during an era where, like, divorce isn't
• 49:21
  really an option. Yeah, you're gonna burn all the
• 49:24
  letter. Yeah.
• 49:25
  Oh man, that's such a great scene.
• 49:28
  And it looks even more brilliant when we see our entire cast
• 49:32
  lined up at the end. Everyone looks so good.
• 49:36
  We have the parchment colors back, but it's now like very,
• 49:40
  like formal, sophisticated costumes.
• 49:43
  All just as these pages of Hamilton's story next to, you
• 49:47
  know, Lin Manuel, who's in like a very proper, I guess I want to
• 49:51
  say tuxedo, but not really I. Yeah, I mean it.
• 49:55
  It's just of the time, but it's all black.
• 49:58
  Yeah, very formal look. Yes, you know me, I don't cry
• 50:02
  terribly easily. That last song, when Eliza
• 50:06
  starts singing, it gets me I. To be honest with you, I almost
• 50:11
  never watched the second-half of this play because I cried too
• 50:14
  much at the end. I was.
• 50:17
  I was listening to the soundtrack in my car.
• 50:19
  The other day getting ready and this comes along and I'm like,
• 50:22
  I'm about to go into work. I cannot cry.
• 50:25
  It's so sad every time. Yeah, when they're like getting
• 50:30
  back together and you hear like the piano.
• 50:32
  Oh, that's so sad. Yeah, when she's when she's
• 50:35
  talking about, like everything she did after he died.
• 50:37
  I'm like you Go, girl. You be the widow with the most.
• 50:40
  Yeah, you she killed it. Eliza, you're you killed it,
• 50:44
  girl. My favorite song is actually
• 50:46
  satisfied though, and Jelica kills it with the rap.
• 50:51
  Oh man. Oh, that's definitely like the
• 50:53
  top 3 for me. And with that we are at the end
• 50:59
  of Hamilton. That was fun, but we're not done
• 51:03
  yet. Elizabeth.
• 51:04
  We have to play our favorite game.
• 51:05
  We do. Spencer.
• 51:07
  Are you ready? Let's do it.
• 51:09
  Hit it, Daniel. The one costume to rule them
• 51:14
  all. Spencer What was your one
• 51:21
  costume to rule them all? I don't know.
• 51:26
  I kind of feel like I'm changing a little bit, but not really.
• 51:29
  I'm really torn between 2:00. I think I'm switching mine.
• 51:34
  Elizabeth I was going to say Angelica Skyler's first look in
• 51:40
  that vibrant taffeta, but I think I'm switching to Thomas
• 51:43
  Jefferson. Oh, that.
• 51:45
  OK, just like hearing a story of how it was supposed to be like
• 51:49
  this like brown look, but then as they start to do the play,
• 51:54
  they're like, no, this guy has such an energy.
• 51:57
  He's getting very Prince and Jimi Hendrix vibe.
• 52:00
  So I just love that purple. It looks so great and it just
• 52:04
  says so much about the character.
• 52:05
  So that's my one costume to rule them all.
• 52:08
  MY1 costume to rule them all is probably, unsurprisingly, just
• 52:12
  the ensemble. Costumes just cause like,
• 52:16
  they're so powerful, they have so much meaning, they're so
• 52:19
  versatile, They do exactly what a costume should.
• 52:22
  And it's honestly like when I think about the costumes of
• 52:25
  Hamilton, it is the first thing that comes to my mind is the
• 52:28
  ensemble costumes. It's what I always think of
• 52:32
  first. Yeah.
• 52:34
  Definitely the and you know I love seeing them like move
• 52:37
  around the country too and just like such like they're
• 52:41
  minimalist but then so symbolic and you just like recognize the
• 52:44
  imagery of them along with Hamilton.
• 52:47
  So good choice and we actually got some listener one costume
• 52:52
  rule them alls. I reached out ahead of time on
• 52:54
  our Instagram, so make sure you follow us on Instagram at the
• 52:58
  Art Costume pod so you could have a chance to get in on some
• 53:01
  of this and then up on a podcast.
• 53:04
  Kellum 03 on Instagram said that their favorite, their one
• 53:08
  costume row them all was actually the Liza Byrne dress,
• 53:11
  which I'm like, I get it. I get it.
• 53:14
  I get it with the song and like, she's lighting the letters on
• 53:18
  fire. Literally.
• 53:19
  It's like, oh, that's the little empire waste.
• 53:22
  Yeah, that's a good one. And then one of our favorite
• 53:26
  guests, Natalie Lucia, said that her favorite look was actually
• 53:29
  the Maria Reynolds dress. The red dress.
• 53:33
  Yeah, our listeners are feeling spicy today.
• 53:36
  They are. I love it.
• 53:39
  That is such a great look, especially for how little, how
• 53:43
  little like that character is in it.
• 53:45
  It's just like a poppin, like gone.
• 53:47
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just does the work it needs
• 53:50
  to do pretty quickly. It does and.
• 53:56
  If you would like to tell us your one costume to rule them
• 53:58
  all, you can leave us a voicemail at 626-515-1826 or
• 54:04
  e-mail us at theartofcostume@gmail.com.
• 54:08
  Spencer What do we have in store for next week?
• 54:11
  I am very excited. Definitely a big shift in
• 54:15
  content. We are still kind of talking
• 54:18
  about messed up governments or the birth of a government, I
• 54:24
  would say. Or what might happen should our
• 54:28
  society as it exists fall? We are traveling to the messed
• 54:33
  up world of Pan Am to watch the new film The Hunger Games, The
• 54:38
  ballad of songbirds and snakes. Yes, Elizabeth, I got to see
• 54:43
  this movie early and it is a it is a lot.
• 54:48
  It's very good. It's crazy.
• 54:52
  I I'm so excited to see this, 'cause I didn't even realize
• 54:57
  there was another Hunger Games book.
• 55:01
  And then I saw this and I was like, oh, that's cool.
• 55:04
  That like they're using movies to kind of like, fill in the
• 55:07
  back story of The Hunger Games. And then we were talking at one
• 55:10
  point and you were like, no, there's another book.
• 55:13
  And I was like, well, there you go.
• 55:15
  Now I have to add this to the list.
• 55:19
  Well, I'm very excited for this episode.
• 55:20
  I'm excited for Elizabeth to see it.
• 55:22
  And most of all, I'm excited because we're going to be joined
• 55:26
  by a costume designer that I very much look up to.
• 55:29
  Costume designer Trish Somerville, who designed the
• 55:32
  costumes for Hunger Games Catching Fire 10 years ago, has
• 55:36
  returned to design the costumes for the battle, the songbirds
• 55:39
  and snakes. Very excited for you all to meet
• 55:41
  her. She was the first costume
• 55:44
  designer I ever met 10 years ago and is because of Trish
• 55:48
  Somerville is I fell in love with costume design and went on
• 55:52
  to start the art of costume one day.
• 55:53
  So it's kind of like a full circle moment for this
• 55:56
  interview, honestly. Absolutely.
• 56:00
  And in the meantime, if you would like some more content
• 56:03
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• 56:10
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• 56:14
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• 56:20
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• 56:29
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• 56:32
  So maybe move it into a review format on Apple podcast.
• 56:36
  I'd be really appreciated. It would be so helpful,
• 56:40
  Elizabeth. I'm so excited for next week.
• 56:43
  And to all of you, may the odds be ever in your favor.
• 56:46
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• 56:55
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• 57:00
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• 57:05
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