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Speaker 1: Brady Farcas is the host of Refused to Lose Territory,
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Speaker 1: all about the Seattle Mariners, and he is joining us
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Speaker 1: right now on FT. Brady, good to see it. Hitting
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Speaker 1: with the hard question right off the jump, you're Jerry Depoto,
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Speaker 1: what's the plan? What are you doing in the next week?
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Speaker 2: I think you have to buy, but I think you
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Speaker 2: have to buy smartly. I mean, this team needs offense
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Speaker 2: in the worst possible way, but I don't think they
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Speaker 2: need rental offense. Look, the Taylor Wards are out there.
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Speaker 2: If they could get that guy for not a lot,
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Speaker 2: then I would do it. But I think given the
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Speaker 2: deficit of right handed hitters available, I don't know that
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Speaker 2: it's possible to get a rental player for a rental
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Speaker 2: hitter for it not a lot. So I think they
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Speaker 2: need to look in the tailor ward direction. But I
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Speaker 2: also think that they need to buy with the future
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Speaker 2: in mind, with the ability to get guys who are
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Speaker 2: under team control. Because as much as everybody wants this
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Speaker 2: year to potentially work out, and there is a chance
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Speaker 2: that it could, you've got to think about next year
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: So I'm kind of out on the rental players unless
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Speaker 2: they can be had for a good price, and I
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Speaker 2: don't know that the good price really exists right now.
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Speaker 2: I do think that moving a starting pitcher, unfortunately, is
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Speaker 2: a way to get some more talent in here, especially
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Speaker 2: offensive talent, and kind of rejolt the clubhouse. It's not
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Speaker 2: something I want to do, but it's something I think
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Speaker 2: they may have to do to address what are a
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Speaker 2: growing list of needs.
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Speaker 3: I was going to say, Brady, what are their needs?
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Speaker 3: Because I just had their game on Saturday. They can't
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Speaker 3: score runs. Their offense is offensive, literally, I.
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Speaker 4: Mean their outfit.
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Speaker 3: If it wasn't for Young at the top and Ken Zone,
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Speaker 3: I don't know where this team would because Julio hasn't
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Speaker 3: had it yet his little couple of weeks where he
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Speaker 3: was hot. Cal Rawley obviously has been not good. Josh
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Speaker 3: Naylor has not been good this year. What they have
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Speaker 3: so many needs, I don't know if there's enough out
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Speaker 3: there for them to if they want to win the
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Speaker 3: World Series, right, which is like if they get to
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Speaker 3: the playoffs, cool, but they need to get to the
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Speaker 3: World Series. And I don't know if they have enough
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Speaker 3: prospects or pitchers or anyone to trade unless they'd the
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Speaker 3: Moose right to get all the needs.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think in theory they have enough to
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Speaker 2: do whatever they want. I just don't think it would
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Speaker 2: be smart to go and start blowing up the entire
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Speaker 2: farm system for that run. On the surface, they need
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Speaker 2: offense in general because outside of Cole Young and Randy
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Speaker 2: Rose Arena, they really haven't gotten a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: consistency or a whole lot of slug. The lack of
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Speaker 2: slug has been the biggest problem with this team this year.
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Speaker 2: They are a team built to hit home runs that
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Speaker 2: do not hit enough home runs, like they're fourteenth fifteen, sixteen,
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Speaker 2: sixteenth in the league in homers, and that's just not
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Speaker 2: good enough when you are completely home run dependent. They
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Speaker 2: have far too many games, far too many weeks where
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Speaker 2: they fail to produce slugs. So they need offense in general. Particularly,
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Speaker 2: they need right handed hitting. They are last in baseball
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Speaker 2: in most categories against lefties. The platoons they thought they
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Speaker 2: had when Rob Revschneider and Victor Roebliss have not worked.
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Speaker 2: Brendan Donovan has obviously been hurt most of the year,
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Speaker 2: so they've been completely neutralized by left handed pitching. And oh,
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Speaker 2: by the way, they have an extremely difficult August coming up.
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Speaker 2: And this has been my worry for months now. If
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Speaker 2: they played with their food in the first half of
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Speaker 2: the season, it was gonna come back to bite them
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Speaker 2: here in the second half. And it's already bitten them
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Speaker 2: and we haven't even gotten to August yet. Where they're
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Speaker 2: gonna see the Tigers, They're gonna see the Rays, They're
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Speaker 2: gonna see Philly, They're gonna see the Cubs, the Yankees, Houston, Milwaukee,
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Speaker 2: and a bunch of those games on the road. Like
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Speaker 2: it is bad now, it has the potential to get worse.
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Speaker 4: Hi, Brady, I need a one word answer, yes or no,
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Speaker 4: and it'll dictate where I go from there. Is this
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Speaker 4: team good enough to win a World Series? How they're
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Speaker 4: currently constructed? No? So, then which big league pieces when
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Speaker 4: a team when somebody says that, and if the team
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Speaker 4: Jerry Depoto believes that, which big league pieces can you
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Speaker 4: get rid of so that you can add other big
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Speaker 4: league pieces. I'm not talking about game of rob Refschneider,
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Speaker 4: Victor Roblaze. I'm talking about are they prepared in a
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Speaker 4: last year of his contract to get rid of JP
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Speaker 4: Crawford's defense because he's only hitting two fifteen, so that
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Speaker 4: they can slide somebody else into a different spot and
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Speaker 4: then understand he's not gonna be back next year, so
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Speaker 4: you're not hurting the future, and then adding in somebody
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Speaker 4: in different spots to fill in those pieces because currently
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Speaker 4: what they have isn't working.
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Speaker 2: I think the guys that everybody says, oh, they could
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Speaker 2: move on from the JP Crawfords or the Luke Raileys
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Speaker 2: of the world, I don't think they inherently have a
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Speaker 2: whole lot of value on the trade market, especially in
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Speaker 2: a major league for major league deal, the guy they
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Speaker 2: can move is probably Emerson Hancock, who has had a
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Speaker 2: breakout year as a starting pitcher, who is, you know,
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Speaker 2: either their fifth or sixth. They have as many as
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Speaker 2: nine starting pitchers that need innings next year. They have
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Speaker 2: to move on from someone in some way. Emerson Hancock
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Speaker 2: is the guy who could bring you a return. Now,
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Speaker 2: if we use the Connolly early for Curtis Mead deal
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Speaker 2: as kind of a comparison, it feels like that Curtis
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Speaker 2: Mead was not a big enough return for Boston, you'd
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Speaker 2: be looking at probably a similar type thing for the
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Speaker 2: Mariners as well. If they move on from Hancock, like
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Speaker 2: Casey Schmidt for Emerson Hancock. Could that have worked, Yeah, maybe,
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Speaker 2: but Casey Schmidt just got hurt. Spent with Spencer Steer.
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Speaker 2: Enough for Emerson Hancock. Probably not, But Spencer Steer just
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Speaker 2: got hurt. Like they need offense for Hancock, and they
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Speaker 2: need a guy who's under team control for three or
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Speaker 2: four years. I mean, you guys were talking about the
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Speaker 2: Nationals a little while ago, like I'd be interested in
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Speaker 2: Emerson Hancock for Dylan Cruz. But that's not necessarily a
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Speaker 2: move that guarantees to help you now because Cruz hasn't
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Speaker 2: really figured it out, so I don't even know that
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Speaker 2: that would be enough. So it's trying to thread a
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Speaker 2: very small needle. But Emerson Hancock is the best trade
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Speaker 2: chip they have that could actually bring something of value
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Speaker 2: in return to help this year's team as well.
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Speaker 3: All right, So I got to ask, I mean, and
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Speaker 3: Krautz wrote up Crawford. Crawford's playing third base. His defense
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Speaker 3: has been awful this year, according to people and the
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Speaker 3: Mariners that I just talked to when I did their
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Speaker 3: game this weekend, right, he's not hitting.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 3: Then you have cal Rawley, who they're not going to move,
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Speaker 3: but he is not being good. Again, There's so many
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Speaker 3: holes there. What is the value, Like you kind of
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Speaker 3: mentioned it, I don't know that there's value in some
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Speaker 3: of the pieces that they could even think about moving
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Speaker 3: because these guys have had such down years of Luke Railey.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 3: I watched him play center field against the Rangers and
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Speaker 3: it wasn't great and he was not hitting either, So
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Speaker 3: they would have to you know, you're talking about threading
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Speaker 3: and needle, wouldn't they have to almost give up some
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Speaker 3: of those prospects to try to get major league talent
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Speaker 3: back if they want to do both. It's I just
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Speaker 3: feel like the poto's hands are tied because he doesn't
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Speaker 3: have the resources that he normally has available.
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Speaker 2: Well, they're not going to give up the Kate Anderson,
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Speaker 2: Ryan Sloans of the world, so they're untouchable. They've got
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Speaker 2: Felnin Sealaston, who's in Double A right now, who's a
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Speaker 2: nice piece, who's a shortstop, who's hitting, who's a switch hitter,
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Speaker 2: who's twenty years old. I believe like they could move
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Speaker 2: on from him. Michael Arroyo is a right handed hitting
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Speaker 2: outfielder slash second basement represented Columbia and the team in
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Speaker 2: the World Baseball Classic. Was their best player at twenty
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Speaker 2: years old in the WBC. They could move him, although
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Speaker 2: I don't think that they should so like they do
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Speaker 2: have prospects outside of Caen Anderson and Ryan Sloan, they
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Speaker 2: could move the big league club Again, the ref Snyders,
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Speaker 2: the Railies of the world. I don't think they have
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Speaker 2: a ton of value on the market, So I think
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Speaker 2: you're looking at Hancock. Luis Castillo could bring something, but
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Speaker 2: at best. As again, you guys were just talking about
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Speaker 2: these bold predictions, like they could trade Luis Castillo to
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Speaker 2: the White Sox who need a starter. But the best
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Speaker 2: thing they can probably get from the White Sox is
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Speaker 2: salary relief, not a player who's going to help them
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Speaker 2: right now. Even if they traded Hancock to the White Sox,
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Speaker 2: Chase my draft would fit the Mariner's needs in a
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Speaker 2: lot of ways. But are the White Sox is going
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Speaker 2: to go and give him up as they're chasing a
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Speaker 2: division title. I would guess probably not. So the best
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Speaker 2: thing they can do that they can hope for in
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Speaker 2: a Castillo deal is probably salary relief. Hancock is the
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Speaker 2: guy who can net something of real value if they
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Speaker 2: really want to go down the rabbit hole of trading.
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Speaker 2: George Kirby, he probably could as well, despite the fact
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Speaker 2: that he got lit up against the Rangers on Monday.
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Speaker 2: He's got two years left, you know this, one and
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Speaker 2: two more. He would bring some value as well. They've
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Speaker 2: said they're not going to move him, So I continue
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Speaker 2: to go back to Hancock and think that is the
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Speaker 2: guy who can get them, you know, more of what
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Speaker 2: they need.
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Speaker 4: All right, So the answers are within, who have you
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Speaker 4: seen trending in the right direction that you're going to say, Okay,
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Speaker 4: it has been bad, we get that. But I've seen
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Speaker 4: this in the last week. I've seen some positivity that,
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Speaker 4: you know what, this has to change just because of nature.
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Speaker 2: This is not the answer you're probably going for. But
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Speaker 2: I think the guy that's really impressed me over the
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Speaker 2: last few days is cold Emerson. Like I hate to
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Speaker 2: put this on a twenty one year old, the guy
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Speaker 2: who just turned twenty one, but Cold Emerson came up
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Speaker 2: as a top five prospect in baseball, had a couple
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Speaker 2: of really nice moments early, and then his average is
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Speaker 2: down to one ninety four. The chase is getting up
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Speaker 2: there the swing and misses up there. He can't lay
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Speaker 2: off the high fastball for a long time. In this
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Speaker 2: series in Texas, he had three hits on Friday. I
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Speaker 2: believe he had a hit in every game of this series,
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Speaker 2: even his outs were loud. He's hitting at the bottom
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Speaker 2: of the order. So like, this is a guy who
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Speaker 2: I think there is upside for obviously given his prospect pedigree.
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Speaker 2: Is he going to carry this offense to the playoffs? No,
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Speaker 2: I don't believe that. I don't think he should have
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Speaker 2: to do that at twenty one years old. But this
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Speaker 2: is the guy that I've been most impressed by recently,
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Speaker 2: which kind of gives you a look into how the
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Speaker 2: rest of the guys, how poorly they have that I'm
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Speaker 2: pointing to a twenty one year old. But he's been
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Speaker 2: pretty good over the last four games, and if he
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Speaker 2: can get going over these last fifty five games or so,
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Speaker 2: that will be some semblance of positivity for what we
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Speaker 2: see that we haven't really had here over the last
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks, Rady.
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Speaker 4: What about Cal? What's happening with Cal? I mean, is
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Speaker 4: it just?
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Speaker 3: I mean I saw he did an interview the other
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Speaker 3: day where, oh, it could have been the WBC, it
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Speaker 3: could be this, I've been hurt, But he didn't really
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Speaker 3: say like I'm just having a bad year. He didn't
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Speaker 3: also give real answers to questions, So what is going
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Speaker 3: on with Cal Rawley? Because he didn't even look like
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Speaker 3: the same hitter even his swing, his swing rate, his
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Speaker 3: way up, his chase rate, his way up, his misrate,
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Speaker 3: his way up. It is like, man, what happened to
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Speaker 3: Cal Rawly?
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Speaker 4: Is it just that he's tired from last year?
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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear that it's a bunch of things.
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Speaker 2: I think if we go back to the WBC, right,
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Speaker 2: Cal's a very routine oriented guy, process oriented guy. He
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Speaker 2: didn't play every day, He wasn't getting the reps in
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Speaker 2: the WBC and then the lead up to the WBC,
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Speaker 2: so he came back tried to overcompensate. It's very clear,
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Speaker 2: Manny Acta said this on a radio station that Cal
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Speaker 2: got hurt ramping up coming back from.
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Speaker 4: The from the WBC.
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Speaker 2: So clearly he played the first month not at one
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Speaker 2: hundred percent. Obviously it cost him. He wasn't playing well.
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Speaker 2: Then he goes on the injured list. Now you're looking
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Speaker 2: up at the bat, you know, at the scoreboard, and
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Speaker 2: you're seeing that you're hitting one eighty one sixty. You're
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Speaker 2: trying to chase numbers. You're trying to chase what you
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Speaker 2: did last year, and now it's weighing on you. So
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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of mental stuff in here
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Speaker 2: as well, at least early from a physical stamp. The point.
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Speaker 2: The thing I see the most is, I mean, just
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Speaker 2: the plate discipline has been really, really tough this year.
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Speaker 2: The fastball above the hands has always been something that
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Speaker 2: he's had trouble laying off of. Last year he got
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Speaker 2: to it a lot more than he had previously. But
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Speaker 2: this year he's not getting to it, and he can't
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Speaker 2: lay off of it, and he's doing it from both
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Speaker 2: sides of the plate. He is chasing that fastball up
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Speaker 2: above the hands a lot. He's constantly in some two counts,
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Speaker 2: one to two counts, and everybody knows that against this
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Speaker 2: caliber of pitching, when you're two to one two, you're
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Speaker 2: gonna have a really hard time, you know, coming back
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Speaker 2: from that consistently, and that is where he is far
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Speaker 2: too often.
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Speaker 4: Right. Is the GM who never sits on his hands,
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Speaker 4: gonna sit on his hands this year at the trade deadline.
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Speaker 2: Jerry Pottle, I don't think so. I do think based
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Speaker 2: on what others are saying, they are prepared to moving
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Speaker 2: starting to move a starting pitcher. I think they would
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Speaker 2: like to move Luis Castillo because of the age, the performance,
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Speaker 2: in the money. That's also the reason why other teams
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Speaker 2: are luke warm on acquiring Louise Castillo. So I think
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Speaker 2: they would move him if they could. I think Hancock
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Speaker 2: is going to be the guy. And while I acknowledge
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Speaker 2: that that can bring them what they need, it does
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Speaker 2: put them in a precarious situation moving forward because Logan
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Speaker 2: Gilbert and Luis Castillo are both likely free agents after
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. Castillo has a vesting option. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if they'll hit it, but like you could lose
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Speaker 2: Gilbert and Castillo after twenty twenty seven and be out Hancock,
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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you go from this really
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Speaker 2: big surplus too. Okay, we've got four or five guys
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Speaker 2: that now we need healthy and now we need to
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Speaker 2: be relying upon to be really good, And like that's
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Speaker 2: a tough spot to be in as well. Just ask
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Speaker 2: the Martlins of twenty twenty five how it was depending
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Speaker 2: on just five pitchers to stay healthy. They ended up
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Speaker 2: at the bottom of the National League practically, so if
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Speaker 2: they move Hancock, I understand why, but they're going to
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Speaker 2: end up in a precarious situation moving forward because of
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Speaker 2: all these contract issues.
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Speaker 1: Oh a j didn't you just strike a cord? Did
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Speaker 1: you hear what he just said about the Marlins having
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Speaker 1: too much pitching? That was one of your favorite notes.
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Speaker 4: I was just was ignoring it. I just wanted to agree.
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Speaker 1: Bring Brady into your little thing. Come on part of
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Speaker 1: the ft fan, tell him Brady.
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Speaker 3: We talked about the Marlins, and I was surprised they
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Speaker 3: move Ryan Weathers because you know, they He's a controllable
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Speaker 3: starter who's been pretty good for him and Marlins fans
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Speaker 3: just came after me. We have the best pitching of
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Speaker 3: all time. We have the greatest pitching staff. We have
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Speaker 3: so much pitching. We have pitching that we haven't even
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Speaker 3: drafted yet. It will be in the big leagues by
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Speaker 3: next year. I mean, it was like, Holy cow. I
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Speaker 3: didn't realize the Marlins were that great, and they just
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Speaker 3: lost twelve games in a row, by the way, because
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Speaker 3: they're pitching stunk.
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Speaker 2: They swept the Mariners right before that though. That's how
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Speaker 2: bad things have been for the late and all of this.
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Speaker 2: So look, I'm dating myself on this, but remember Jerry
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Speaker 2: Maguire from the bed nineties. He says, jump into my
15:51
Speaker 2: night mire, the water is warm. That is how Mariners
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Speaker 2: fans feel right now. I mean it has been it
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Speaker 2: has been ugly. And I will say this even though
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Speaker 2: you didn't ask. They are headed for a difficult situation
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Speaker 2: if things don't turn around. August seventh through ninth, when
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Speaker 2: they come home to play the Rays. They're gonna celebrate
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Speaker 2: the fiftieth anniversary of the franchise. They're gonna have the
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Speaker 2: fifty Greatest Mariners there on field, and it has the
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Speaker 2: potential to be really ugly in a lot of ways,
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Speaker 2: right Like, I don't think they should, but a lot
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Speaker 2: of people do. They could fire Dan Wilson right before
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Speaker 2: the fiftieth anniversary celebration, of which he'd be a part of,
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Speaker 2: or they can keep Dan Wilson, and Dan Wilson can
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Speaker 2: end up in a spot where he gets booed at
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Speaker 2: the ballpark as part of the fifty Greatest Mariners celebration.
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Speaker 2: That is not a good position for the franchise to
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Speaker 2: be in. They need to hope for a lot of reasons,
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Speaker 2: they they turn this around in the next two weeks,
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Speaker 2: because that is going to be a scene that that's
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Speaker 2: gonna be a difficult look if things don't turn around
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Speaker 2: August seventh through ninth.
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Speaker 1: He needs to just make sure he uses Andre's minos
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Speaker 1: a lot the next couple weeks and maybe that prevents
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Speaker 1: some of the booze from coming his way. We got
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Speaker 1: to jump they ever have a d Grady.
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Speaker 3: Did Bobby maggianis really make that big of a difference
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Speaker 3: that they fired this assistant hitting coach out of nowhere
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Speaker 3: because all he does really is flip balls and do
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Speaker 3: whatever Kevin Sitzer tells him, Like, why did the assistant
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Speaker 3: hitting coach get fired?
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Speaker 2: Quick answer, send a message without sending too big a message.
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Speaker 2: I think that's that simple.
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Speaker 1: Brady, You're the man. Thank you so much more. Un
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Speaker 1: refused to lose territory, Brady Farcus joining us on FT.
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Speaker 1: Brady's awesome. Really loved the show even before it joined
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Speaker 1: the FT network. Hey, we were going to bring up
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Speaker 1: something else, but I actually want to take data dish
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Speaker 1: to what you were just talking about. AJ assistant hitting
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Speaker 1: coach gets asked when the team's not hitting, that's going
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Speaker 1: to solve the world's problems. Really his fault, his fault.
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Speaker 3: It was the assistant hitting coach's faull Bobby Moggianas. I
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Speaker 3: mean they fired him, I think Friday before they went
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Speaker 3: to Texas out of nowhere and they were like, oh,
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Speaker 3: we're going to make a move. We're going to fire
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Speaker 3: the assistant coach and bring up the minor league hitting coordinator.
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Speaker 1: Like what what.
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Speaker 3: It's not Bobby Magianis's fault that all these guys are
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Speaker 3: not hitting. He's doing the same stuff.
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Speaker 1: Was he with the team last year? Maggianism.
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Speaker 4: Yes, he came over with sites are from the braves.
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Speaker 4: And if you're talking about like one of the most
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Speaker 4: genuinely happy human beings, Like if you've ever met him,
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Speaker 4: you just smile when you hear his name. And I
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Speaker 4: had no idea he got fired. I just texted him
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Speaker 4: like that, like he's not the guy there. We're gonna
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Speaker 4: fire somebody, guys, Okay, we're gonna that's what we're gonna do.
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Speaker 4: But it can't be Bobby. There's no way somebody went
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Speaker 4: in there and was like the only way Bobby should
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Speaker 4: have gotten fired is Bobby went in there was like, guys,
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Speaker 4: he always has a smile. Guys, I'm gonna be the
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Speaker 4: one that's fired today. Okay, it's not gonna be you, guys.
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Speaker 4: And I could see him saying that that's this, that's
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Speaker 4: how nice this dude is.
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Speaker 1: Bobby smiles too much. So he got fired. But last
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Speaker 1: year they were all brilliant in what they were doing
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Speaker 1: with the hitting program, or maybe it was just cal
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Speaker 1: Raley hit sixty homers and had not hitting sixty.
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Speaker 4: Olio had an MVP type of year. JP Crawford was
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Speaker 4: doing things that he's not doing this year. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 4: those were things that were going well. Yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Edgar Martinez couldn't go to the Hall of
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Speaker 3: Fame because he had to they had to fly him
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Speaker 3: into Texas to try to fix the hitting situation because
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Speaker 3: they got rid of Bobby Magiana's.
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Speaker 1: A little bit of offensive chaos going on there. And
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Speaker 1: then the WBC is why cal Rally is not hitting?
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Speaker 3: That's the word, That's what they were saying. Cal Raley's
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Speaker 3: not hitting because his preparation was messed up from the WBC.
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Speaker 3: That's what they were talking about.
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Speaker 4: As much as I want to sell the narrative that
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Speaker 4: if you don't play and it throws your rhythm off,
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Speaker 4: because then I would have an excuse for my career,
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to sell that narrative. I'm not. You're
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Speaker 4: you're you're gonna make adjustments from not playing in March
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Speaker 4: till June till July. You're gonna make adjustments. Did he
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Speaker 4: play through injuries? Absolutely? Ask him tomorrow. Was he healthy
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Speaker 4: all last year? No? No,