Latest / Beat The Odds with Dre, Rodney, & Brylan / OpenAI’s Dots Agent, The Virtual Computer Shift & Zuckerberg’s Metaverse Comeback
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- Dre: Yo, what's up everybody? Happy Wednesday. We are here again with Al Bryan, but my man's is is in Spain, grinding right now, launching markets. Bryan might be the the the launch the launch king after this, man. My man's gonna launch so many markets. If you need a market launch, hit Al Bryan. He he he he the king of launching markets right now. Rodney: He's definitely the king of launching. And not only that, it just seems so out of the blue. Like just a day before the pod, he was like, Yeah, I I can't make it because I'm gonna be in Spain. It's like w Dre: Yeah. Rodney: when did you it was this like insp like inspiration that just popped up in the last few days or was it strategic or or but either way though, I guess I never expected them to be out there, but that's pretty cool to see two two two going that going, you know, international basically. Dre: Yeah, yeah. They've been going crazy, man. Which is is good because maybe it's just me getting old, but I feel like I'm more interested in in person experiences and in person connections now. More than I've ever been. And so, you know, part what they do is bring people together in the physical world. So I'm just more interested in that. Even like with just, you know, I think about my own relationships here in Houston. You know what I'm saying? May being intentional about being in the same room with people versus just picking up the phone and calling and texting people or just doing video calls. I like to get out of the office. So yeah, it's dope to see more in person experiences being valued. But they seem to be doing really well. Rodney: Yeah, for sure. You know what I think it is? I think it I mean it it can be from getting older and appreciating, you know, people, being around people, friendships, relationships, etcetera. But it could also be that that the in some in in many ways people are a lot less social than before, and they will Especially with l this internet and social media thing, I found that people had a different way of going about Being in the I I found people had a different way of being in the world after COVID. But but yeah, experiences are are really dope. One thing I was just thinking about though was and I'm gonna connect this to AI and it's not gonna fully make sense. But hope hopefully by the time I land the plane it makes sense. I'm just thinking out loud. Dre and I and Brian have been talking a lot about automation, right? And that's what AI is for me. I guess I guess they're they're now calling it super intelligence now. I think, or Supreme Intelli I I don't know what what they what they landed on, but whatever that is, they landed on something. But whatever it is, it is taking. It's taking so much off my brain that I feel like I can focus more on being in real life, meeting up with people, going, you know, socializing, doing things I wouldn't normally do, getting massages, you know, like all these different things, facials, all these different things that I would never think about because maybe I'm inside working or whatever. And so I think this world is gonna change due to these some of these new new agents. But we wanted to talk about one new one and it's called Dots. And I think Dre's probably the best one to talk about it. Dre: Yeah, so OpenAI just had their dev day. I believe it was yesterday 'cause I yeah, it was yesterday because I tried I was trying to see if the update had come out, but I just got it today. But they had their dev day. They announced a lot of really cool things, but I think the biggest thing that probably got the most attention is a new agent feature called Dots. and basically it sits always on agent that has its own computer system in the cloud. So we can basically, you know, run operations or procedures in the web browser. it can also interact with files. You can run it locally as well, so it can interact with your local files. So similar to like Codex, what Codex can kind of do. but the difference is that you don't necessarily need to have your machine on and have chat GPT open. For dot to continue running the task, whatever task you've given it. So it's it's kind of interesting because at first I didn't quite understand the distinction between dots versus codecs because I was kind of already using codecs in a similar way with as as as they kind of describe dots. The only thing that was a little bit different was that when I would have codecs run like a browser instance, it had to be local. I don't know if there was a way to there may be a way to do it now in the cloud, but there it had to be local, which was one of the limitations, right? 'Cause if I wasn't if my laptop was locked or something like that, or if I didn't have it docked, I couldn't use it. You know what I'm saying? It was like limitations there. So that was the only limit. But other than that, the ability to like go execute tasks and just continue to persist through it until it was able to get something done. I was kinda using Kodak's in that same way. So I'm only one day into using dots, so I'm still trying to, you know, see how useful it is. But one of the use cases I've been using it for Over the past well, I've been using Codex for this. And so I'm now trying to get Dot to see if Dot can use it. Could can do the same thing, but it's for a a plumbing company I'm working with. And basically what I have it doing is going through the CRM of this plumbing company and looking for, you know, trying to target specific customers that we've serviced in the past and then setting up like automated mark text message marketing campaigns. and so every day it's like just automatically targeting people with a susp specific criteria based on the schedule. There's like some some some some some some some Rodney: Training. Dre: th some training and checkpoints that it goes through, but ultimately it it's deciding who should be a part of a target pool and then again dynamically building up a campaign and just sending it out. And we've already added like fifteen new appointments just in the past week. It hasn't even been two weeks yet. So it's already starting to show some use. And so I was using Codex for that. Now I'm starting to use dot for. So it's it's again, it's only been one day. So I'll see how it goes. But again, that's a real use case where it's actually providing value to this business. Cause again, fifteen appointments, this is a plumbing company. That's thousands of dollars of revenue that the the company made and then what did it cost? Like An hour. Rodney: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't even say I put you on dots, man. So I I I I'm I you you're Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: telling me things about dots. I don't even I I don't know anything about yet. you know. Yeah. Dre: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta you gotta test it out. You gotta test it out. Rodney: Cause 'cause I I I I told you and Bryan about Codex, but see that was easy 'cause I was an engineer. So Codex i i it was easy for me to I experienced that in my professional But but it seem I think honestly you you and Brian haven't talked about dots, just agents, and they're catching on to them. Well one thing that's interesting though about the way that they work a and I think You make a point about how Codex could run locally. It's and the key point is it's it's not that codex didn't have cloud cloud stuff, but they didn't have computer use. And so I think that's the thing that it is a is a big deal to the average person who's trying to get a task done. Right? So 'cause either Codex is gonna control your computer locally pretty much, or maybe if you had your phone but you have the same Wi Fi or whatever, still like it's pretty local. But What they're doing now with these new agents, whether it's Dots or any of these new agents, they're creating a whole environment, virtual machine. And virtual machines have been out for decades. It's just Dre: Yeah. Rodney: that nobody ever had cared about them. Nobody really I remember having I know it's funny. Yo, I'm I'm having so many full circle moments. So, like people used to use virtual machines. So that they can run bots on games online because they didn't want their IP IP addresses banned. Because the first thing that the at the the game companies would do is, okay, you're running hundreds of accounts over here on this IP address. We'll just ban the IP address. So then people so Dre: Yeah. Rodney: I remember hearing about virtual machines. but there's another full circle moment actually, Dre, actually, that is right on this call. So I I I I was talking about I was talking to Brian from Immortals. about a c a couple of things. But I don't know if you remember this draft and I this is a little bit off topic, but it we'll we'll we'll bring it back. We had I think it was maybe let's say ten years ago We had a startup called Run. It was a simple idea. You go on the app, you can order food. Most of the city was pretty much saying that that's not gonna work. Like nobody's gonna trust that. Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: That that was the whole thing that people so that was a startup that we had like back in the day. We were we we were just we weren't even 21, I don't think. Right. So Dre: Yeah, no, for sure. Rodney: right, and so we we did a pitch competition at Dre's University, or I think it was Dre's University, Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: and And I remember Jerry did this incredible pitch. I literally was like, there's no possible way. I I didn't even know. Like, I just couldn't believe it. Anyways, we get kicked out on the first round. The judges afterwards say that the idea was really good. We thought it was probably the one of the best ideas, but you're not gonna be able to figure out payments. And little do they know. We were using Braintree. The reason I bring it up as a full circle moment is that when I was talking to Brian, I was like, I told Brian about that story because he was the founder of Braintree. So now to be working with Brian and for him to hear that story Dre: Mm. That's crazy. Rodney: for us, it's just a crazy, it's a crazy, and and then you know, Braintree, you know, bought Venmo. And obviously, there's a PayPal, there's a lot, there's there's a there's a interesting network of people, I would say. Yeah. Dre: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That was a crazy time to be building. Yeah, we was pretty early on the on the braintree tip. I mean, they were ahead. I mean, I don't even think Stripe Rodney: They were. Dre: was out. I don't even think Stripe was out. And if it was, it wasn't like Braintree was obviously better. I mean, I'm sure we w we weighed Stripe, but damn, that was a crazy time to be building, man. Rodney: I I truly that's what gives Brian a bit more credibility 'cause I I I I actually used what Dre: Yeah. Rodney: yeah, I actually used it. I I remember Dre: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rodney: this like I I like people may Dre: Y'all was in the doc. Y'all was in the docs. And back then you ain't have agents. So like you have to read the documentation. You have to understand how to actually implement implement that shit. Rodney: Yeah. No. No. And he's and he's not an engineer. So I don't know how he got to to make this shit. No, he's not an engineer. Dre: Really? Rodney: He talks kinda like like like he he talks like he understands like you would think he is, but he's not, no. Dre: I see, I see. That's interesting. Well, damn, that's a crazy outcome to be a non-engineer to build a product. Yeah, it's a real technical shit. And you're Rodney: Some technical shit like that. Dre: not an engineer. That's that's crazy. I mean, that's yeah, that's dope. That's dope, man. But Rodney: Yeah. Dre: yeah, bro, the the the the growth of these agents is getting really interesting. I thought the marketing the position and marketing of dots really reminded me of grockbot. I haven't really played too much around with grockbot, but like the Rodney: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Dre: the marketing position, it seems the same. And then I don't know if you saw it, I I saw it circulating around on X that SpaceX purchased, I think dot dots.com or something like that. They ended up purchasing Rodney: I saw that. Dre: like the domain name. And so whenever even even when I went to Google to like search dots, SpaceX sponsor ad came up first in search on Google. I was screaming when I saw that. I'm like, bro, they're just Rodney: Yeah. That's funny. Yeah. Dre: getting a bunch of like free users probably just because people trying to find open ass shit. Rodney: So it yeah, definitely. Definitely. Dre: So yeah, crazy, crazy chess move by Elon. But this this space is heating up, man. I'm excited to see where it is. And again, in another twelve to eighteen months, the thing that I think about is damn, we do need way more compute. I don't think they were lying about the amount Rodney: yeah, for sure. Dre: of compute because I think about even again, I I gave y'all a a a real example of how I'm using codex. This actually delivering value to this small business and it's not really costing them much of anything. But that was the first time that I actually hit my max in Codex. I was actually surprised. I cause I I I use Codex all the time for a bunch of stuff. Like even building like actual software applications or whatever, I use it all the time and I've never hit the max. At one point I was like, Does this shit actually have a cap? Cause I'm like, I'm I'm using it all the time and I'm never hitting a max. You know, you use claw code, I was hitting the max all the time. I'm like So it's a total difference. And I'm running this Rodney: Right. Yeah. Dre: process and this shit is hitting the cap all the time. So I'm having the they give you like automatic resets where you can reset your usage. I don't know how to assign that to you, but I guess they automatically give you some free usage or you can buy more tokens. I end up doing a little bit of both. But I was just like, damn, if I'm running this this one simple process and I'm using all these tokens to do this, I'm like, damn, like we really do need more data centers. We really do need more GPUs, really Rodney: Yeah. Dre: do need more compute because This shit is a comprehensive. Now I get it. Over time, that'll that the compute and computation will go down. But right now, a lot of these processes require a significant amount of compute. And again, these new agents have their own computers now. So that's even more compute. Because now Rodney: Yes. Dre: they're not just running on your local machine. They're running somewhere else in a data Rodney: Yes. Dre: center. So now that the level of compute even goes up even more. So man, the race for electricity and compute is about to get even more intense, man. Rodney: It's like it's it's the amount of digital workers because the internet was originally planned with the scale of people. And then of course along the way there's been hackers and bots and things of but the the bots ha bots are at a new level of intelligence now. And I think that's what's gonna be I I I haven't had a I haven't had enough time to really let it come to me, but there's something special about this moment where where one I think going back to what I was saying earlier, I do believe that that AI is gonna wipe out a lot of jobs, but I believe that there will be this like this rollout of new things that AI can do. and you can get paid for or maybe working on your behalf or whatever it is and people will be able to focus more on their life. I think that would be a big one. I think that'll be big. people being able to focus I what I find is is that I People don't feel like they can sit back and enjoy themselves. or or they're getting stretched by bills or they're paycheck to paycheck and whatever. But I I see this automated world where or this AI world with all these different agents creating first is gonna start with the highly skilled people. So for example, right now, my job is already in the place where it's completely transformed. Less engineers are needed for a lot of different tasks. it it it the value of the work is questionable. I don't know what I charge, what you like what all these things are in the air. But at the same time, for I currently do have a job and I can do most of my job very quickly in a short amount of time. And I could do it on the go through my phone. So I could be doing it it's got it gotten so simple to where I could be doing I could be working out. So now I can work out twice a day. Not because like I'm extremely dedicated, although I would say that, but it's because I no longer have to spend five hours on one code problem. Like that that and if and if if you can apply that to every job, I mean. Dre: You don't have to be tethered to your computer. Like historically, if you were a knowledge worker, right, I'm gonna call it a knowledge worker, right? Like you had Rodney: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Dre: to be like on your comp in fact, some companies associate you being online as as you working. Rodney: Yes. Yeah, activity. Dre: Right, as activity, right? So if you're not online then technically you're not doing you're not doing no work. Not maybe that is true, Rodney: Right. Dre: maybe it's not, but they just associate the idea with a online available status as activity. So yeah, I think this really untethers you from your from from your machine for just a lot of these mundane tasks that you that you have to do. And again, I I can't understate like how good at least dot seems to be and codex is at actually using the browser. Like it's it the moment I saw that, I was Rodney: No, yeah, it's it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. Dre: just like, yeah, this this this just takes away. Like and it's so Rodney: Yes. Dre: crazy, bro. I remember having this conversation with a software engineer. And this is when I realized I was just like, bro, you're not thinking big enough, bro. Cause I'm like, this was like maybe two, three years ago. He lives in Rodney: Mm-hmm. Dre: Europe too, by the way. So I'm gonna give him a little bit of grace. I'm living in America. We live we just our our our mentality from living in a place like America Rodney: It's way different. Dre: at the scale is just different. He lives in a very Rodney: Mm-hmm. Dre: small country in Europe. And I was just like, yo, I g I see this point where like these agents gonna be able to just like control a computer and just be able to use the browser. Cause at some time we were trying to do some shit. We were trying to run a bunch of scripts and shit using Puppeteer to automate a bunch of browser tasks. And it was just it was it was getting caught up. It wasn't as good. And Rodney: Yeah, right. It's is yeah. Dre: I was like, fuck, it'd be great if you can just like deploy some agents to do this shit. And he was just like, nah, that ain't that ain't gonna ever get there. I was just like, what? Rodney: So so what's crazy, which that first version where you say you have to use puppeteer and all this other stuff, it reminds me of that that photo Elon showing the multiple different versions of the SpaceX rocket engine. And the Dre: Yeah. Rodney: original one, it looked like they barely got it together. Like it they barely got it, like the wires were Dre: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. Rodney: looking crazy, everything was like it was like, don't touch it. Like don't touch it. Yeah. Dre: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's gonna fall apart. It looks so fragile. So fragile. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rodney: Don't touch it. And then like two versions later, and I think that's what we're seeing now is the original stuff like it's crazy. But we're we're we're getting to that streamlined version of the world where, as you said, instead of all your mind having to be focused too so much on like the APIs and the tools and wiring everything together. Like you're some type of hardware hobbyist or something. It it you could just focus on the outcome. What's the vision? And that's Dre: Yeah. Yep. Rodney: that's big. That's big. Dre: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Well s well speaking still stand on on AI and what's been big. We've been having a lot of conversation around AI safety. There's been the narrative from Dario and Anthropic. Rodney: Yeah, definitely. Dre: There's been the narrative from Zuck. He's come out and obviously give his opinion on it. Then there's the Trump administration narrative. There's the David Sachs narrative, which semi mirrors the Trump administration, but he's independent, Rodney: Yeah. Dre: so I'm a set him separate. There's been all these different co coexisting narratives around safety, around threats, around how everything should be played out. It seemed like everybody's in a different corner of the room. but nevertheless, this past week, all these leaders, basically six leading AI companies, they signed a voluntary accord. So Google, Anthropic, Meta, OpenAI, XAI, and NVIDIA. essentially it calls for internal safety controls, internal oversight, independent external evaluation, and independent board committees. and basically they outline these four different things to basically acknowledge that safety is important and it needs to be taken serious, but also to get the companies to admit that they have a they have a hand in how safe these models are. And it's not just up to the government to decide that, but you know, it's up to these companies to also throttle themselves. Well, but also recognizing that hey, we we are working on this really important technology and there should be some collaboration beyond just the four walls of of any individual company. And so again, they have independent external evalu evaluators that they're gonna be rolling out. And again, some of these ideas are not unique to like the Trump administration coming up with some of these things were already proposed. I think Dario has proposed some of this stuff. Elon has proposed some of this stuff as well publicly. So now we're just starting to finally see again all these guys finally come together. And whether it's for optics, whether it's just for cameras, whatever it may be, at least they're coming together and all agreeing the safety does need to be important and at least rolling out actionable steps, that they all seem to agree with, to at least move things forward. So Yeah, that's where we are Rodney: Yeah. Dre: right now. Now, what do you think? Rodney: Yeah, I think look, when you when when you see the photos of Trump and and Sax and Dario and Zuck, et cetera, I mean I mean I know I know I I'm always picking on but How did Dario look in that photo? Yeah. How did he look in the photos, guys? Like so, did he look like the guy who did he look like the guy who does panic? Is that in in those photos, does he look like the guy who he he he he obviously he's he's brilliant. So that's why he's Dre: Yeah. Rodney: there. But did he he he looks like the guy who who who panics? Dre: He he looked disheveled. Rodney: Right. Dre: He he he looked dish he looked like he looked like you know like a like if you if you got a bunch of papers on a desk and you can't find the paper you need and he just like he was running through ravaging through all of trying to find Rodney: Yeah. Yes, yes. Dre: the paper. Like that that's what it seemed like he just got done doing. Like Rodney: Yeah. Dre: I he looked disheveled. He looked stressed. Rodney: Yeah, so I think Dario needs to take a time. Dre: Maybe he was nervous. Maybe he was nervous. He he he he was in the room with a lot of people who said some things. You know, Sax has said some things that clearly, you know, could be taken one way. Elon is Rodney: Mm. Yeah. Dre: you know, I'm I think him and Elon are probably cool because they got that deal. But Rodney: Yeah, really yeah, yeah. Dre: Sam probably feels some type of way, you know what I'm saying? Like you y you you're not you're Rodney: Yeah. Dre: not necessarily in the room with your friends. These are not his friends. Rodney: Right. Dre: These are, you know what I'm saying? These are his his contemporaries, these are his peers. Rodney: Mm-hmm. Dre: And you know, he got a smile for the camera, but he's not really in the room with people he probably wanna be in the room with. Probably neither of them, honestly. They're probably just there Rodney: Yeah, I see. Yeah. Dre: to be there. I don't I don't aside from Elon and Sax. I don't and well, Sam was there too, right? So I can't like Elon and Sam Rodney: I I Dre: are the same. Rodney: yeah, I don't know if I saw Sam. I don't know if I saw Sam. He might have been there. I don't Jensen, Jensen, Dre: Or maybe it wasn't Sam, maybe it was the other co founder. Was it Greg? Rodney: Jensen, Jensen. And Greg. And Greg. Greg and Jensen. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Greg and Jensen. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sam's focus on launch. Dre: Great. Okay, it was Greg. Okay, it was Greg then. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Sam Sam Sam was focused on the launch, so Sam wasn't there, but it was Greg. But still, that's awkward. E Elon is literally trying to try to kill y'all company. You know what I'm saying? Like he so it's it's still it's still it's Rodney: I know, right? Yeah. Dre: still gotta be some some tension in the room, a little bit of tension in the room. Rodney: It it I I found it funny though 'cause it definitely actually that reminds me. a couple of days ago, maybe e me I I think on Monday they came out with the American gov gov government site, right? Dre: Yes, yes. Gotta talk about that. Rodney: Yeah. so now there's a direct portal to the federal government using a AI agent. And I mean I didn't expect it. I think it's I think it's hard to criticize that. I and I didn't see any criticism. I I I didn't see any doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but making something where taking something like AI. Then embracing it at a government level and in such a way where the average person who is not even into AI can clearly see the value from a standpoint of, yeah, there's a million things I've wanted to ask. The government exactly. And it's always been hard. In the central hub, hey that was that's a good Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: s step. That may not be the final of where it's gonna go head to head to, but to me, making a portal to the federal government, making themselves more accessible, and all and that increases the likelihood that the government will work work for us as opposed to from a detached standpoint. Dre: Yeah, a hundred percent. It was a really nice product experience, led by the Airbnb, one of the Airbnb co-founders, Joe. I think he's like I don't know his exact title, but he's been helping redesign a lot of government facing products. Like I think he also designed the Trump account portal. If anybody's ever played around with that account, that Rodney: w okay. Yeah. Dre: that that product, very smooth, very nice product product experience. So it seemed like he's just been going around the government and really reinventing a lot of the poor user experience across the digital side of of the government. And so yeah, they they basically brought together, I think I saw like twenty-six thousand government agency sites and different silos of of different data into one place. And if you go on a site, it's actually pretty nice. It's just like you s I think the first thing unless it's changed, it was just like a search box. You could just search for Rodney: Yeah, exactly. Dre: You get to search and chat or whatever. And I used it and it was it was it was actually pretty nice. So yeah, a citizen should definitely take advantage of that. I the thing I was thinking, I was super happy that it's out. I was just like, man, states and cities need to take advantage of this. I immediately thought of like, I'm like, man, this needs to be at the like the smallest level because even even Rodney: yeah, for sure. Dre: cities, bro, like even a city like Houston, bro, like it's still hard to find certain information or do certain things online. Even the state of Texas. Rodney: That's coming. It's coming. In fact, one one thing that that I thought I was excited about was I think in the next six months or so, people will be able to get passports and or do the whole application process. in really quickly in in less than a day through the site, through all your connected information. So that is just gonna make because right now I'm getting another passport because I lost my passport and my mom and my were we're both getting passports. But that it's an annoying process that nobody wants to do. And it and from the picture to you know the the actual forms, make sure you have the right all these information that you the government should already have, right? And so that's What they're doing, but yeah, I agree with you. all these things in at the this federal a AI agent thing is really it should be at the state state level, but I think the that's why it's good that the federal did it because now they have they've put that idea into the world, and so it so now Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: it's just it forever exists now, and so the I imagine states and like states and local governments will follow suit. it won't all be at once though. It won't all be at once. Dre: Yeah. It'll take time. Rodney: yeah, it'll take some time. the the the the places that want to be The places that want to be competitive ultimately are going to try to make everything better. people are going to be deciding where they live, where they end up being at, where they sit their roots at, and all these different things and and who they vote for. And the better you can make your state, your local government, et cetera, the more likely Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: you'll have people voting for you and you staying there. So technology is gonna be an unavoidable piece to all that stuff. So But yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited about that. but one rule of thing on dots again, that concept of the virtual machine, it's such a big deal because everything that you have, anybody who's used computer, whatever task you've done, it can do. And that's pretty Dre: Yes. Rodney: much the crux of it. Any task you have done on a computer that you did not like doing, it can do. So if you can describe that task, it can do it on the spot, or it could just do it automatically. Then you have, you know, I I like I like the instinct, for example, where it's a a bot where I can tell it to do stuff, and then it can actually spin up one of these virtual machines, load up the site, click around and do all these different things as if I was doing it. And then, for example, I had it booking reservations, I had it. set like plann whole plan whole days with with a debit card a credit card like it's proactive these agents are going to allow us from what I can see they're gonna allow us just to just to have a lot more room to think that Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: like that's the that's the big thing I wanna keep repeating is is how much more room we'll all have to to think about this regular life outside of thinking being stimulated with all this media stuff or or just computers and phones, et cetera. Dre: Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, I totally agree, man. So we'll see, man. This is gonna be an exciting race. We'll continue to keep the audience updated as always, man. What you got next? Rodney: Yeah, definitely. So I was thinking so I was thinking Paramount where Paramount was in a hundred billion dollar deal to buy Warner Brothers. They were blocked at first, but then a California judge approved the deal. And it was a big deal because the longer that it got delayed, the I think the The penalty for each day was was for the deal was like thirty million or something. So some high number where every day if they didn't finish the deal, it would they would have to pay that number to the to Warner Brothers. But what I maybe think is made a little bit more interesting is the new meta glasses. Did we talk about that on the last one? Dre: Yeah, we briefly talked about it, but I hadn't looked at I I did recently take a look at I didn't know these were like VR glasses, right? Okay. Yeah, we we briefly Rodney: Yes, yes, yes. Dre: talked about them on the last one. But I hadn't I think they had just came out, so I hadn't really seen I think they had just some else. Rodney: This stuff is crazy. This stuff we're seeing is crazy. These new glasses are basically the lightweight version of the Vision Pros. And they seem to have the same visual quality to where when people put them on, they feel like they're in this this space. And They also have all the other capabilities that come with most metaglasses, but I think what's interesting is this world where okay, so let me try to connect what I'm seeing w where where and I was listening to a Mark Zuckerberg podcast and where he basically said that When he first talked about the metaverse, people misunderstood. Based on his communication, people misunderstood, essentially. His vision of a metaverse is not some place that you go into some fantasy world in your room where you're just in your room in some type of just digital fantasy world. It is what he believes to be the blending of the internet and the real world. Period. So so not just one or the other, but the blending of. And Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: and when and I think you do see that because especially especially with smartphones, especially with social media and especially after COVID, these these catalyst events essentially were Things you would only see online starting to be things that you would he that you would hear people say in person. and it affecting how people move and behave in the real world. You know, people going to like for example, rent renting exploding in Miami, in Los Angeles, yeah, they were beautiful places, but when you come out with social media. You have essentially created a platform unknowingly that makes that place it's like free marketing. Like if you Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: if you i it's like California was always a great and there was place but a lot of essentially a lot of dynamics change, essentially. The internet affects the real world and vice versa. And so when I see things such as the these glasses and they're getting lighter and lighter, what I'm thinking is, clearly We have the real world then this layer where we we could put screens in it or whatever or all these other things, get information. But then also intelligence on demand, AI intelligence on demand, tasks running for you, different things. I really think we're we're we're headed to this really light experience. But I would say I don't speak for everyone, but maybe right now it feels a bit heavy because of all the things that are going on. The transition is not the smoothest. And we're I think people are seeing the soft just get made in real time. People are seeing AI companies get built in real time. They're seeing data centers and they're they're chiming in on how those are being built and where they're being built. They're seeing flock in they're seeing all these new technologies being built in real time. but anyways, my point being the meta vr glasses I think are a big step to this mixed reality this metaverse reality but i don't know if zuck can really win though that's the thing that i don't know about these glasses per se because i will honestly say that It almost feels like I'm a slave to Apple. It almost feels like Dre: Mm. Hmm. Rodney: I'm it's y you know what I'm saying? It it it feels Dre: Yeah. Rodney: it feels I'm I'm enslaved to the Apple experience. I can't Dre: Yeah, yeah. Rodney: get out of this. Even if it's duck duck could come out with the best and I'm gonna get them just only because I'm w I'm a technologist, so I'm gonna get I'm gonna get them. But Dre: Yeah. Rodney: will they really integrate in my life? Like If if African was that same type Dre: Yeah, you know it's gonna be a smoother experience. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's the thing about it. It's it's tricky. Rodney: Yeah, I was gonna switch out of the switch. Wha what can you do? Dre: It's tricky. It's tricky. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I like to say a good product wins, but unfortunately Apple got such a strong ecosystem that even if you do create the good product, it's it's hard to it's hard to buck against that ecosystem. So yeah, you bring up a good point. I'm gonna support it as well. I wanna get one as well. Looks like they drop spring of next year. I believe yeah, Rodney: Mm-hmm. Dre: fall or spring spring of next year. So early, early part roughly early part of the year. So I'm ex I I mean I'm I'm gonna go ahead and order them. I think they're thirteen hundred dollars. So the price point is not horrible, much more approachable than than the Vision Pro. Rodney: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Dre: but yeah, I I I agree. At first I thought because they said VR glasses, I'm like, bro, I don't wanna know the VR product. No. Rodney: Yeah, th th they're still not good at branding. They're still not good at branding. Th these glasses, they do look more stylish than than I would assume for meta. But yeah, meta vr glasses it's still unclear. It's just st it's just still unclear. It it th th there's something that Apple's going to do and it's gonna be one word. It's gonna be simple, it's gonna be clear. You're gonna under it Right Right. Dre: I know, and s soon as we hear it we're gonna be like, damn It's gonna be something simple. Rodney: Right, so VR glass 'cause VR glasses makes them come off like when you put it on, you're you're gonna be in a whole nother world. And that's not what he's saying. Dre: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I think. That's what I think when I see VR. I'm like, it feels another isolated a lighter product. The product is lighter, the hardware is lighter, but it's still that same Oculus feel. Rodney: Bro, bro, we're gonna get so much space back in the future, bro. Cause when these actually become top of the line, where Meta's competing, Apple's competing, and whoever else in this game is competing, all like my whole desk, right? I won't need most of this stuff on my desk. Dre: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rodney: I won't need mo most of this stuff I won't need. I'll just ha I'll Dre: Yeah. Rodney: get the days of having all this stuff, having a mini Dre: It's over. Rodney: server in your like a server in your household. Bro, I I I I actually do see where all this is going. I see where this is going and I I think it's very compelling. I just think that it's not the easiest thing to communicate. I I I don't think it's the easiest thing to communicate. It's not entirely clear how. and then also I think people struggle to understand how they fit in that world and but I would argue that it it might get interesting where We're it might get interesting to where for example, instinct, right? They're not currently charging people. But one of the th the the founder, he believes that they're building a multi-trillion dollar opportunity, which I thought was bold. He's like 23 or something. He's like he's Dre: Yeah. Rodney: so th that's we I mean when when we were in our early twenties, one billion was like that was That felt like something, but he's talking about trillions and he's growing 10% every week. But this idea of the consumer not paying is what they're really trying to do. And yeah, maybe they I think in the future they're gonna be forced to charge consumers. I'm not gonna lie, in my opinion. But Dre: Mm-hmm. Yeah, they have to. Rodney: yeah, but he's trying to s he's trying to tweak it and work it so that the consumers don't have to pay. Dre: Yeah. Rodney: And Outside of the ad model, that's been like the only model when consumers don't have to pay for shit. You know what I'm saying? But Dre: I think his other thing that he was leaning on, which I could see is like the e commerce model. Right. So he he I think ads is one model, but I think the other is almost like almost similar to what Shopify has. I think when I heard his interview, I think he he used Shopify as a comparison where yeah, Shopify is a platform, but Shopify also just takes a percentage of making the transaction happen between the merchant and the customer. So I think he kind of framed it in that way. Whereas like, you know, you're using this thing, if it's making these recommendations, then there's enough margin, enough float there to just take a percentage of that, which I I do think that is interesting. but I don't know, you know. Who's that's I think I think it was you. I don't know who I was talking with a friend about like shopping with agents. I don't know if that's what people want or not. Maybe it is. I do use some agents to like find me products, but I still like the discoverability aspect of it. So I don't know if that works out for maybe it will, maybe it won't. I don't know. Rodney: It for me it depends on the product. is a it really depends on the product. So I would definitely say that people are gonna want in in my mind there's three experiences. There's you go into the store, brick and mortar, and then you can there's a shopping experience there. and then there's the digital experience that Amazon's most notably known for and now this AI shopping assistant experience that's unfolding, which is pretty cool. 'Cause I actually feel that a lot of people are going to get a taste of what it feels like to be wealthy, essentially. having all these assistants and having all these things, being able to do things for you, remind you of things. but yeah, the reason why I brought up those three different Different types of experiences is that I would just say, Yeah, I would agree. Like that, there's just that I don't think that instinct, the way they're going about this, and whether any other agent does this, is going to take away the browsing experience. There still will be people who browse, but maybe just the I don't know. It just th there'll be people who still browse. It's and it's just a matter of seeing what consumer behavior ends up being. What will consumers Dre: Yeah. Rodney: push off to agents where they don't care at all? Just like have the agent send them three products or have the agent pick the best product he thinks. Or and there's some products where consumers in general are gonna be like, no, we don't want the agent to pick it. We don't want the agent to recommend. And I think it's the same thing too with in right now, right? So I I might do a lot of stuff, but if I got a if I got a wedding coming up, if I got a wedding invite coming up, I probably wanna go I probably wanna go in and see the suit. Probably more than likely. Even though I could buy a suit online, I I probably more than likely wanna so there's certain things I think that like you could probably buy a prom dress online, probably, but I don't know what kids are doing now, but I I think that they probably s like would do what we did, which is we we go to the mall, we get sized up and the whole that's a that's a whole experience. That that's a whole Dre: Yeah. Rodney: experience. That's a that's a whole experience. One thing I did like about him though was how he focused heavily on experience. And it reminded Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: me of Drehead was telling me the other day, like, you you know, if you could live anywhere, I would focus on experiences. I've been thinking a lot about this idea of experiences, creating more experiences in my daily life, but just in general. Sometimes when you you get straight to the point, you take away something else. Right? Like, even if you got straight to it and you got it's kinda it's kinda like preamble. Fruit might have sugar, but you could also just eat a spoonful of fruit. I'm sorry, a smooth a spoonful of sugar. It's Dre: Yeah. Rodney: like, but eating the fruit might be enjoyable in itself, right? So Dre: Yeah. Rodney: so yeah, I I think I think his focus on experience is the right move. I'll put it like that. yeah. Dre: I don't know how he's gonna be able I mean I I love the ambition behind wanting to make it free and accessible. Like I love that as a mission. I think that's awesome. And I think that's actually gonna contribute to the to to the you know some really good growth. but I don't I mean again, given what I'm how I'm using it and and how can compute intensive some of these things can get, again, if you just interacting with the email, sending the email, you that's a little that's that's that's light. That's nothing. You know, but Rodney: Right. Right. No, no, no. Dre: if you start really pushing it and start trying to do other stuff, I don't see how he gets there. Now, maybe because it's a personal assistant, that's not the way people are using it, 'cause I'm not using it that way right now. I am kinda using it for just email stuff and just like just a little just a little simple stuff right now. So maybe if that's the way most people Rodney: Maybe there is a Dre: are using it, then I don't know, maybe the computer's less intensive, but I'm like, nigga, the way I'm using Codecs, ain't no way he's gonna get that shit away for free. Rodney: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, for sure, for sure. Yeah, and and what I think w another thing that's interesting about this topic of agent is that this is something I definitely wanted to touch on because I see this talked about even Bradley had said this once, but I see this talked about a lot. Like I understand what people are saying, but this whole idea that people are gonna like there's too many agents, which ones do I use? And I think Dre said something about how he currently has uses this for this and this for that. That kind of reminds me of how I kind of look at this situation where I don't really look at this like I I do believe, yes, people may have one primary agent. They they may settle on one primary. I I do believe that might happen. But in general, I think people will use different agents for different things. So I find it interesting like how how quickly people are already trying to make a decision on the primary agent that they use. not s not saying that they're wrong. And I think that's where when it gets to The end of the adoption curve, I think that's what it's gonna be for most people. Just hey, what's the a what I just need one agent? Because it's almost coming off as if you're going to need an agent to operate in the in the new world. I think there's this Dre: Yeah, yeah. Rodney: new thing being built to where in five, ten years, ten years are the max, but five years, if you don't have an agent, you will if you don't have a digital AI agent, you will be behind. You will be way behind. you won't it it it would be like not having a cell phone. That's how it's that's how it's starting to because the amount of things that can be done and right now I already know I'm not one thing that that kills me the most is that because I have other things in my life I'm focused on especially like my health and stuff like that, I haven't I haven't put a lot of time in like I know I'm not getting the full value out of the agents even though it's there. Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: Like I know I'm not getting Dre: Yeah. Rodney: the full value out of Muse. I know I'm not getting the full value out of Codex. I like I and I and I also know it's super cheap compared to what it might be in the future. So I Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: don't know if you feel like that, but I feel as though, dang, what we have this and I'm using it and I'm ahead, but I still feel as though there's definitely things that I could do that that that I'm blanking out on. Dre: Yeah. I I I definitely feel that way. But now I'm starting to think more about it. And I'm starting to think more about how can I use it to get like actual value. So again, like the use case I mentioned, like I'm actually able to see like a real return on investment from it. So now so now that I got my mind really spent and I'm like, okay, if I can do that and I can do that in good value like that, then what else can I do with it? So I'm starting to think about other ways of using it. I'm still tr I'm I'm still trying to figure out how to best use instinct in my personal life outside of just like basic email stuff. I do have some stuff that I'm like some documents and things like that I need, so maybe you can help out with that. But but yeah, I don't know. I I I'm thinking more about it in terms of work and and how to make bread off of this shit. That's that's honestly how I'm thinking about it. Like that that that's where my mind is at. I'm like, how how can I use this? Because Rodney: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I can see that. I can see that. Yeah. Dre: I'm like Rodney: Yeah. Dre: I'm early on it and I know there's a lot of people using these tools, but I was just talking to my boy about this. I'm like, bro, I don't care how easy this shit becomes. There will always be a subset of people in the market who are not gonna fuck with this. They're not gonna build their own CRM system, even though they have all the abilities to do it. They're not gonna Rodney: Yeah, of course. Dre: dive into owning their own marketing, even though they could, right? They're not gonna go into uploading their own content onto Facebook, even though they could. They're just not gonna do it. There's just there's always gonna be those people that are just not going to do that. And so in a world where you have these automated tools that can do a lot for you, I see a huge arbitrage opportunity. So that's where my mind always goes too, is like, what's the arbitrage here? given the power of these tools and c the capabilities of what they can do today. Rodney: Definitely, definitely. One thing that I've used AI sorry instinct for was like booking my haircut and Dre: Mm. Rodney: reminding me to book it. But but reminding like I just automating that process because it goes to the site, picks the time, it knows the general time. I didn't even think it could do that, but it can. It could book it could book a haircut. Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: you could I was scheduling restaurant reserv re reservations. Like I'm like, hey, I'm going to this, I'm going to this city. make a plan and then book all the stuff. And it's just like it's able to do that because it's able to load the sites directly. and yeah, I found it very interesting. but but I I was thinking the most valuable agent would be an agent where The amount that you spend on it comes back with more profit at the end of the day. Dre: Yeah. Yeah. Rodney: So so the more money I pour into it, the more money I get back out of it. That's just Dre: Yeah. Rodney: simply would be the best agent. That'd be like that's like that that that'd Dre: I s I spin it up all night. Rodney: be right. That'd be the that'd be like the the literally the best possible agent to exist. Dre: And and and that's how I'm think that's how I'm thinking about it, bro. That's why I like this week, this in this past week when I'm running this process and I'm like, okay, I know how much this shit is costing me to do it. And then I know what it's generating. That's how I'm like, okay, I see something. I see something here. Even if it's not just this particular use case, there is again, there's this arbitrage between what it's gonna cost you to get it done, what it's gonna take time, token costs, all of that to actually execute it, and then what it what what you're able to extract from that. Whether it's in time saving or actually if it's in real dollars. Real dollars is always better, right? Like like I was thinking even thinking like I wanna give it access to like an email. So I I purchased a company, the guy that owned it been running it for like ten years. So I w I wanted it to like I'm thinking about it, like having Dot or Instinct go through the owner's email and just find me sales leads. Like let's just go hit Rodney: Yeah, why not? Dre: every single lead over the past decade that we used to work with, haven't talked to in a while. Rodney: Yeah. it could easily do that. It can easily do that. Yeah. Dre: And just come up with a unique offer. Go look at the site. Like just just run this whole process without me even having to even touch just automatic. Rodney: Easily. Yeah. Do it for me automatically. So yeah. And and all you want to do is review. You like send that off, send that off, yeah. Dre: That's it. And honestly, if this shit can like shit shit, if it can even go further, like draft the dra have the email conversation, draft the contract, like shit, do all that shit for me. Shit. Rodney: Yeah, yeah, no, bro, bro. Literally that that's instinct did something like that, bro. I one time I had to I had this I had to reply back to an investor. I had been procrastinating on it. Like the the closing company documents or whatever. And I had sent it to another investor, but this other investor I just hadn't got to it. I randomly I I told Instinct, I said, you know what? I have this investor I need to get back to. Can you send them the documents? It went and found the the the email. Then it went and found the previous document. Then it saw that document was inaccurate for that person. So then it edited the PDF to match that person's name. Then it sent me the draft with the PDF. It's like you want me to it's like, does this look good? Do you want me to send it? I'm like, yes. Please send please send it. And that was Dre: Yeah. man. Yeah. Rodney: bro, sh like that was that's when it really and The thing type of stuff you're talking about, whether it's dots or whatever, because all these capabilities are j are just pretty much going to you you're like being able to come with an idea like what you said, it defin it can definitely be it it if you told it what you just said, like dots or whatever, it would easily be able to do that. Then you could have a whole site or a document you could scroll through with email. At that point you just either editing the emails. But yeah, it would have multiple drafts, multiple drafts, documents. I mean I'm telling like it this stuff is gonna make it's gonna make it it's gonna Dre: Yeah. Br that Rodney: make us so much more free in the mind. Dre: Dot dot likes to do shit and just go. I I see instinct will at least draft the email and be like, hey, look this over real quick to make sure you want it. Like I I I I told Doc I told Rodney: y it's hard to trust that Dre: Doc to send the email. I thought it was gonna give me the draft. This nigga actually just sent that shit. Like I like drafted it, sent it, and didn't even show me. It was just like, yeah, it's already done. I Rodney: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dre: I had to go to the email. I went to my my my sent messages. I'm like, wait, let me read this email. It was cool, Rodney: Yeah. Yeah. Dre: but I was just like, damn, like it didn't even it didn't even let me read it. It was just like Rodney: So Dre: It was just on it. It was just on it, bro. Rodney: d do we need too much control? Dre: I mean, I was cool with it though. I was like, you know, Rodney: Yeah. Dre: it just it was an interesting observation. I I was just like, okay, I see how instinct does it, and I see how how dot does it. And I Rodney: Yeah. Yeah. right, yeah. Yeah. Dre: can imagine how claw does it. Claw probably was a little bit more like instinct. Yeah. Yeah. Every little qu you want me to do it? Are you okay if I do this? And dot just like, fuck it. It's gone. It's out there. I'm like, fuck. Rodney: asking you c yeah, quite asking you every step of the way. Yeah. I like I like that. I actually like that though. 'Cause I think sometimes I don't sometimes if you make a mistake, you make a mistake. So what? So what? It's better than me doing it. See what we're trying to do is What I'm trying, the big thing that I think people are not seeing, if they knew how much time in their life they're gonna get back when AI and Ages and Robotics all come, they would be they everybody would want a data center. Everybody would want one. Y'all telling me y'all don't want robots doing all the work, y'all don't want y'all don't want digital robots and real robots and then autonomous. You don't have to drive a car, you don't have to touch anything. Y'all telling me y'all don't want a hands-free experience? Yeah, okay, you can still have a manual experience if want it. But you could just well you don't gotta think. That's what I see the future going to. Dre: think the everyday person I think Bryan said this a w a while of agree. I think the everyday person is still struggling to see how they can get value out of these tools. I think Rodney: I get it. Dre: for people like us, like it's again we we've mentioned for people to listen to we mentioned a bunch of different ways that you can get value, how we're both getting value independently. Now so th we've given you a a framework now for how you can think about adopting these Rodney: Definitely. Dre: tools and how you can use it in your personal life or at work or if you got a business or whatever the case may be. But I think for a lot of people There's like the cold start problem of like, what do I do with these tools? Well, you know what I'm saying? And I think what I liked most about Instinct, and I think this is the next evolution of these products, is the proactiveness of it, right? Which is the people Rodney: Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Dre: like again, understanding that people have that cold start problem, but then Rodney: Mm-hmm. Dre: understanding that there's that that, you know, with the the level of intelligence that these agents have, they're able to derive enough context to be able to get those wheels going of figuring out what what you might deem is valuable. And then of course the more you use it, then the more precise it can be. And then the more proactive it can even be. Rodney: Yes. More ideas and then the more ideas come to your mind 'cause you start learning its capability. So you you you you nailed it. That was that I think that's what made instinct work for me. 'Cause had it not text me, I I probably Dre: Yeah. Rodney: would have signed up and that would have been that. I would have signed up and I would have just just like that's something Dre: Yeah. Yep. So I Rodney: I'll check out. Dre: so I think instinct is actually an on-ramp for people that are listening. Maybe if you haven't played around with a lot of the agents, maybe if you use chat GPT, that is a entry point into these agents. But I I would say that the the next level of agents are a little bit different than how Chat GPT just is. So I would say I think Instinct is actually a good on ramp because it does solve a lot of that cold start Rodney: I think it's the b Dre: problem. Rodney: yeah, I think it's one of the best ones. I I hear what people are saying about Muse, but I think people, at least especially me, perceive Muse as another app. Whereas Instinct is Dre: Exactly. Yeah. Rodney: an app or an angel, whatever it is, it doesn't really matter because you text it like you would text somebody else. You literally text it like you would text an assistant. Dre: Yeah. Rodney: And they're adding and you're gonna be able to c so I do believe it's almost to the point where I I almost went and shared it on Facebook. I I I almost shared my my my link on Facebook. Dre: Yeah. Rodney: I didn't though because Facebook is treacherous right now. A AI, everybody ain't messing with AI on Facebook. I I noticed Dre: Yeah. Rodney: that. I noticed that. but you know, I Dre: Yeah. Rodney: hey can't say a it is what it is. But I think that's the biggest that is a good on-ramp. I send it to family members and whatnot and I think that's an easy way to get training wells into agents so that you don't have to look up in a year or two or two years and be like, okay, how do I how do I learn how to use agents? How do I Dre: Mm. Rodney: how do I learn how to like there are gonna be people in two years wondering that and there's just gonna be a big lead. There's just gonna be a big lead. And those same Dre: Yeah. Rodney: skills will transfer over to being able to con to manage and control robots. Because robots will be using the underlying intelligence that like it's just it's all it's just gonna be crazy. So yeah. But yeah, I I hopefully the founder though can stay grounded and and and especially with instinct, hopefully he could just Stay focused on the experience and the customer and not too Dre: Yeah. Rodney: don't don't get too high up. Don't fumble, basically. Because it it's it literally is one of the best products I've seen all year. And I'm like, don't fumble this. Don't fumble this. I don't wanna leave. I I Dre: Yeah. Rodney: don't wanna I want this to work. I want this to work. Dre: Yeah. I think about that. I'm like, man, should he try to continue to track it this alone or do Rodney: Yeah. Dre: you go do you go get the exit right now? Walk away with a couple of hundred million. Rodney: If he was smart, he would get the exit, in my opinion. Cause I don't think he I think he doesn't know what he's doing. I think he got lucky. I think I think he's real I think he's really smart. I think he's a young I think he's he's when I say lucky, I'm talking about he's a talented person who who because he works hard, he's created his own luck. But you a prod a product that's like this at this time like the timing and everything it's just and yeah, I think he I think I don't know. I don't think he either or either he needs to hire the right people. But I think he should probably sell. Cause I just I have this feeling 'cause when I see him come out with stuff, sometimes I'm like What is that? Like why why are you focused on that? Like and but maybe it's because he's seeing certain requests on his side and so they could be informed off that and I and we don't you know but sometimes I'm looking at it and I'll get some of replies and I'm like, is he really in touch or did he just hit really good on like the we'll see, I guess it's just we'll see. We'll see. I just hope he's stays in touch with the consumer experience and not get too detached from it. Cause I know San Francisco can it can sometimes it it can get you in that high level world of thinking of Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: all these ideas that the average middle America is not even questioning at all. Like they're gonna be like, Why do I need Dre: Yeah. Rodney: why who cares about my reservations? Like I don't I go to a restaurant once a month. Once every two months. I like that that may not be what everybody I don't know. We'll see. Dre: Yeah, no, no that's true. That's true. But yeah, good luck to them, man. I I agree with you. I think he got really lucky. I think that is an important part of building a startup. Sometimes you do get lucky. and but yeah, I say sell it, take your take your bread and and and Rodney: Yeah. Salad though, bro. Sally. Salad. Sally. Jeff. Dre: go do something, go do something else or or chill, do whatever Rodney: So Dre: because it's rare to hit lightning like that so quickly. what they just raised Rodney: Yeah, just like Dre: what, a billion dollars at a ten billion dollar valuation? Yeah. Rodney: He he he's not going to beat the the big guys in the room. He does not know how structures. He doesn't know how sell it. Just sell it. He doesn't he doesn't right. Right. Right. It's like, bro, Dre: No. It's about to get it's it's about to get nasty. And not and not and not it Sam now that Sam now that Sam is in the race too, it's about to get nasty. It's about to get nasty. Rodney: you don't know. I d he's young, so he doesn't know what he doesn't know. So he just he he thinks they it's like, no, no, no, it's it's not gonna go how you think. They they see you. Dre: He got Zuck. He got Zuck, Elon, Dar you can pick a more vicious market to to compete in right now. Rodney: Yes. Yes. They and they see you. And they see you. And they're not even acknowledging him. Dre: yeah. Rodney: They won't even acknowledge him. He's twenty-three. Dre: Well He he he he he probably was sad today when he got online and he seed him all at the White House and he like he he like damn he probably think that could be him one day. Rodney: Yeah. They're not even they're not even acknowledging him and his company I think is ten billion more ten billion. He's like twenty three. So Dre: Yeah. Rodney: nah, sell sell it now. They definitely want Dre: Get your bread. Rodney: it. Yeah. This is not that important. I I just don't this is probably not that Dre: Hundred percent. Rodney: important, to be honest. It's just probably not. But but yeah, I think it's a g a a good pod. but yeah, I definitely wanna continue to encourage people to look at the AI agents, thinking about the future. really think about a future where you know it's hands free, lightweight, you don't gotta think a lot, safe. You can have all different types of experiences. You have a lot of time with family and friends. even when it's inconvenient to get to them. There's I I think the future is gonna be really, really, really bright. and don't forget to subscribe to our Patreon and follow us on YouTube and Instagram or anything else too. Dre: Yeah, we'll wrap it up there, yeah. We'll see ya next week.