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Love After Lockup Relationship Rehab Season 1 Episode 2 “Trauma Bonds” with Jake Anthony of Reality Gays · Vanity Farah with Chris Farah

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  Speaker 1: Hi there. Welcome back to Vanity Fair. My name is
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  Speaker 1: Chris Farah. And, you know, I talk about pop culture
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  Speaker 1: and TV recaps. And today I have a great guest,
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  Speaker 1: one of my closest and oldest friends. And I mean old.
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  Speaker 1: He's ancient. He just had a birthday. He just had
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  Speaker 1: a birthday.
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  Speaker 2: So we can have fun.
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  Speaker 3: 97.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you guys, we're talking love after.
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  Speaker 3: A long time. Years young. Years young. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No,
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  Speaker 3: he is young.
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  Speaker 1: Young at heart. Young, yeah, there's parts of him very young. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Relationship Rehab, season one, episode two, it's trauma bonds, like
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  Speaker 1: the one I have with him. This is my friend,
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  Speaker 1: Jake Poodle, of course, Reality Gaze. Hi, y'all.
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  Speaker 3: Hi. Hey, honey. How are you? Hi.
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  Speaker 1: I'm great. How are you? I'm fantastic. Yeah, how was
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  Speaker 1: your birthday? How was everything?
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  Speaker 3: It was great. I had a really great full birthday week.
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  Speaker 3: I saw Sara Bareilles. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And that new album, the one about everyone dying.
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  Speaker 3: It's a fantastic album, and vocals were great. I had
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  Speaker 3: some lovely dinners. Some lovely gentlemen companions.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: But not for the whole night because that wouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: a birthday week.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you want to sleep well.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. I'm telling you, we need to go back.
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  Speaker 3: This whole thing about getting hitching up and this monogamy
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  Speaker 3: thing and just getting people in general.
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  Speaker 2: Go back to the animal kingdom ways. You'd like fuck
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  Speaker 2: whoever you want.
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  Speaker 3: To and then fuck the strongest one and he'll bring
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  Speaker 3: you some more gazelle.
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  Speaker 2: Bring you the best meat. And then you move on
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  Speaker 2: to the next strongest one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like a man that brings home the bacon, gazelle, beef.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And I reward him with my body.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. What else you got? A little bit of my mind.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, my mind.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: They don't want that. They don't want that.
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  Speaker 1: I save my mind for my friends.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: No one wants your mind.
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  Speaker 1: No, we don't want it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, we all know you have the greatest podcast of
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  Speaker 1: all time, Reality Gaze, with our friend Matt. And you
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  Speaker 1: guys are also covering this relationship rehab show, which is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: And we both got to do some promo for you.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to talk about it. We both got
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  Speaker 1: to interview Dr. Ish.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't interview him, but we had an evening
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  Speaker 3: with him. That sounds like I slept with him. That's okay. Well,
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  Speaker 3: go ahead. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: You keep talking. Just keep on.
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  Speaker 3: We had an evening. We had an evening. We went
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  Speaker 3: to this event, this really cool event. And it was
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  Speaker 3: all couples except for Matt and I.
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  Speaker 1: They thought you were.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think they thought, but there was a couple
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  Speaker 3: other people who weren't a couple there, but it was like,
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  Speaker 3: we made pasta and. What kind of pasta?
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  Speaker 1: Penne.
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  Speaker 3: We made penne pasta with our own hands.
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  Speaker 1: Like freshly made pasta.
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  Speaker 3: And I loved it. And it was so, and we
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  Speaker 3: actually had food, real food, not like reception food, like
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  Speaker 3: a charcuterie board. And, or when someone's bringing around hors d'oeuvres,
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  Speaker 3: cause you never eat at these things. Like you just,
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  Speaker 3: you have to, you have to go get McDonald's on
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  Speaker 3: the way home or Taco Bell because no one, no
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  Speaker 3: one eats anything. And, but no, we had, we were
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  Speaker 3: just like sitting there and everyone, we were talking and Dr.
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  Speaker 3: Ish was like saying, asking us questions about marriage. And
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  Speaker 3: I was, I sat across from Justine and Michael. Um,
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  Speaker 3: and it was, we, we interviewed them twice before, so
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  Speaker 3: it was good just talking to them. And then I
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  Speaker 3: even said, y'all, we didn't, we, I'm going to be
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  Speaker 3: directly honest. We didn't think you had anything else left
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  Speaker 3: to give. I thought I knew everything with the match
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  Speaker 3: and shit and the nine NBA team, Nate, the nine
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  Speaker 3: kids and NBA team. I thought I knew all that,
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  Speaker 3: but turns out it didn't. And you're both. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: that must've been really hard. And they talked about it
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  Speaker 3: all night long. And then I ate a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of Michael's cheesecake. Without really asking him. But it was
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  Speaker 3: right there.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine. Was Melissa and Louis there?
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  Speaker 3: Nope. They weren't there.
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  Speaker 1: So what couples were there from the franchise?
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  Speaker 3: Just Michael and Justine. It was Dr. Ish, Michael, Justine,
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  Speaker 3: and then a bunch of like podcasters and influencers and...
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  Speaker 3: Not me.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 1: I actually am joking. I'm fine with it. I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: I got to interview with him. And I listened to
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  Speaker 1: both of you. I got to interview Justin and Michael.
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  Speaker 1: So I re-listened to your interviews of Justin and Michael.
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  Speaker 1: And they were great.
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  Speaker 2: No, they're a great interview. They're a really great interview.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know that Izzy passed away, Michael's sister?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we talked about it a little bit. He's actually
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  Speaker 3: kind of distanced from his family. Um, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that's one of the main reasons. Uh, so he's, yeah, he's,
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  Speaker 3: he's kind of, he's pulled back, uh, mostly cause he
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  Speaker 3: says there's just not a lot of support, uh, from them.
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  Speaker 3: And it isn't like the way they treat his wife
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  Speaker 3: and they seem to be in a really good place.
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  Speaker 3: Every time I see Justine, I'm just like, she looked great.
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  Speaker 3: Michael looked much better than he does on this season.
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  Speaker 3: He looks rough. Yeah, I think it's like the divorced
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  Speaker 3: dad look he's got going on this season and the
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  Speaker 3: hair's not working for him. But no, it was a
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  Speaker 3: really fun event. And like we stayed talking until like 930.
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  Speaker 3: Normally I'm like jetting at like an hour because I
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  Speaker 3: can't stand it anymore. But like conversations, good food. Dr.
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  Speaker 3: Ish has Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Ish is from Greenville, South Carolina, which is basically where
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  Speaker 2: I'm from.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we talked about that. And yeah, yeah. Dr. Ish
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  Speaker 3: is like a calming Zen force. He was incredible. Like I, he,
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  Speaker 3: I told the, the, the, the we TV promoters or
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  Speaker 3: they were there and I'm like, he's got the real
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  Speaker 3: deal with him.
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  Speaker 2: Like, like they don't know. They haven't had him with
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  Speaker 2: like relationship bootcamp.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, thanks. I'm like, yeah, that one. Watch that one.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, shut up.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever watch? Cause I get, okay. I had
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  Speaker 1: never watched marriage bootcamp.
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  Speaker 2: No, but I I've seen clips.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredible. Yeah, that's the thing, Jake. I agree with you,
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  Speaker 1: even though you haven't said it, but let's just say it.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't understand how really thoughtful, intentional Dr. Ish and
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  Speaker 1: the protocol of the therapy of this particular show was
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  Speaker 1: going to be, especially because we are no amateurs when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to... franchises putting together a relationship sort of
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  Speaker 1: therapy-esque show. And, you know, it's like BDSM, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like whatever it's going to be. It's just like, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: feel the same. Stupid challenges.
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  Speaker 3: Surely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like anyway, so having said that,
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  Speaker 1: I also was really taken aback by how authentic this was.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm really happy for everyone involved. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it really brings up some great conversations. And so I
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  Speaker 1: also am a big fan of Dr.
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  Speaker 3: Ish. It's a fantastic show. I was not sold the
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  Speaker 3: beginning because I thought, I was worried about it being
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  Speaker 3: just a little, not really a downer, but I was
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  Speaker 3: worried about him being preachy at the beginning. It hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been that at all. It hasn't been that at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's has great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's a really relatable person and great.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. So listen, as we know, Justin
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  Speaker 1: and Michael talk fights because they are discussing with Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Ish their communication problems. problems and I guess whatnot styles.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not great. And, um, basically he, he, when
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  Speaker 1: they have a situation, Justine wants to talk it out,
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  Speaker 1: but Michael either gets overheated or overreacts in such a way.
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  Speaker 1: And he will try and say something like, I need
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  Speaker 1: to remove myself or I need to leave, or I
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  Speaker 1: need to talk, not talk right now. And he will
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  Speaker 1: exit the situation and Justine will want to talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: except he doesn't want to accept that if Justine is
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  Speaker 1: for any reason, also can have sex with him, he
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  Speaker 1: will easily do that and then not talk. And she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't understand it. And she also feels like, and if
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  Speaker 1: I cry, if I'm crying in front of him, he
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  Speaker 1: is hard. He's not a soft man. I need cashmere.
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  Speaker 1: This man is rough. I mean, like sandpaper.
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  Speaker 3: He will like yell at me and be like, why
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  Speaker 3: are you crying?
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  Speaker 1: It's like, why instead? Dr. Isha's like, well, Justine, what
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  Speaker 1: would you like instead? And she's like, oh, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: the fucking opposite. Someone who's like, hey- I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you crying?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. When she says she also had a quote where
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  Speaker 3: she's like, you know, it's normal for me because I've
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  Speaker 3: been empty. I've never been full my entire life. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: Justine over here quoting the color purple or something. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it feels like.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I've been full. I've been empty my whole life. I've
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  Speaker 3: felt full. My whole life.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it feels like.
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  Speaker 3: I know what it feels like.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a walking hole. That's what it is. That's what
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. A hole that can never be filled. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 1: I felt the same way.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: And he was like embarrassed by like, don't you talk
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  Speaker 1: about your gaping wound on national television and how I
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  Speaker 1: don't satisfy them. But that's what it is, you know?
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  Speaker 1: And like, I think you have to reframe your mind
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  Speaker 1: of being so, and I get it, adverse to vulnerability
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  Speaker 1: or truth or honesty as being a form of weakness
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  Speaker 1: or giving up secrets about yourself as if they will
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  Speaker 1: be used against you. Instead, realizing that there's a certain
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  Speaker 1: power to laying your truth down.
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  Speaker 3: But especially Michael and I kind of talked about that.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, you know, I grew up the way I
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  Speaker 3: grew up. Like, it's just, you weren't, I wasn't allowed
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  Speaker 3: to have feelings. My dad didn't have feelings. Then I
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  Speaker 3: went to jail. And then I couldn't do anything. I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't show my feelings there, obviously. He's like, so when
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  Speaker 3: I got out. Justine's like, what about my feelings? What,
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  Speaker 3: what about, why can't we talk about this? Like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know how, I don't think I'm capable of that.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's, it's really hard, especially with straight men
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  Speaker 3: to teach them anything because there were no models for it.
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  Speaker 3: So they're, you're, they're like having to learn everything.
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  Speaker 1: No role models at all.
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  Speaker 3: None. None.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So basically they go to their couple separate rooms
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  Speaker 1: and it's not the Ritz Carlton.
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  Speaker 3: No. Four seasons it ain't.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: No, there are four seasons and they're all cold. It's
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: winter right now though.
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: LA winter.
• 10:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's like, it's so cold in here and there's so
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  Speaker 1: many bucks.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all people think Los Angeles is always warm.
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: It, here's the problem. It turns like seven o'clock at night.
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  Speaker 3: It is cold and it's a chilly cold and it
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  Speaker 3: sneaks up on you and you're like, oh, I need
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  Speaker 3: a shawl. You know what it is?
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  Speaker 1: It's also kind of like this, like we are privileged, right?
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  Speaker 1: And then when it's taken away from us, suddenly it's like,
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  Speaker 1: what the fuck? We have been accustomed and used to something.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like kind of like It's like we are all,
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  Speaker 1: think of it as Californians, weather-wise, we all come from
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  Speaker 1: very rich parents, okay? And our parents had been subsidizing
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  Speaker 1: and giving us money. And then suddenly- One day in November,
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  Speaker 1: they're like, you're on your own and it's below 50
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  Speaker 1: and you've never felt the pain of being alone, cold
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  Speaker 1: on your own and broke.
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  Speaker 3: And you're like, oh my God. I'm in shock. It's
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  Speaker 3: like how it was humid.
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  Speaker 2: The humidity, like that was the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: I've never been burned alive by the weather before.
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  Speaker 1: People in Florida are like, that's not anything because they're
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  Speaker 1: used to it. And we're like, but it's new to me.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But it's new to me.
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  Speaker 1: Right. That's exactly what it is. So anyway, basically there's another,
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  Speaker 1: then after people complain and Michael is one toe in
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  Speaker 1: this place and eight toes trying to leave it all
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  Speaker 1: the times. And he's trying, I'm sorry. And Justine's like,
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  Speaker 1: you endure jail.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You can just be in this. Weirdly, I think
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  Speaker 3: this might be harder in some ways because this is
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  Speaker 3: going to be Vulnerability is real hard, especially if you've never,
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  Speaker 3: ever showed it your whole life. It's too vulnerable. You
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  Speaker 3: feel like a weakling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can really shut everything out of the body
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  Speaker 1: and mind and endure. But if you have to unpack
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  Speaker 1: what's happening in the body and mind, it's really devastating
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  Speaker 1: to have to– Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know anything about that.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: We jump right into this is episode two. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is what's why this show is so crazy. We
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  Speaker 1: jump right into a very emotional therapy session between Brittany
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  Speaker 1: and Marcelino, arguably the OG couple of the entire franchise.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In their conversation, he says, how can you live with
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  Speaker 1: someone who doesn't respect you? And she's like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: fucking tried. I got sober. I begged.
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  Speaker 3: I begged.
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  Speaker 1: And basically, I was doing everything. And you were on
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  Speaker 1: board until the day that you started cheating on me.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like this conversation.
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  Speaker 3: With Amanda. Yeah. Yeah. With her ex-girlfriend. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, there are two cheating things that Brittany's upset with. Amanda,
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  Speaker 1: her friend, with this dick pic. And then also, she
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  Speaker 1: brings up the fact that Marcelino continued a conversation with
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  Speaker 1: the only woman he's ever loved that came before Brittany.
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  Speaker 1: And then he kept... a folder on his computer full
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  Speaker 1: of nudes. And he's like, I never cheated on you
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  Speaker 1: physically with her. And she's like, but you did emotionally.
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  Speaker 1: And they kind of have a back and forth of
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  Speaker 1: what the definition and Dr. Ish has to unpack that hardcore.
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  Speaker 3: So question, if he was, if he was jerking off
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  Speaker 3: to pictures of his ex before Brittany, is that cheating?
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  Speaker 3: I think to Brittany it is, and to me that's
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  Speaker 3: all that matters. So if one person thinks it's cheating
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  Speaker 3: and the other person doesn't, I don't think you can
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  Speaker 3: get anywhere. Because she was obviously hurt by it, and
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  Speaker 3: that's what matters.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the part, because he says it's not cheating.
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  Speaker 3: What he doesn't understand is it doesn't matter what he
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  Speaker 3: thinks is cheating. It's what she feels, her feelings. That's
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  Speaker 3: what he'll never learn. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, yeah. Like we, he can't give air
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  Speaker 1: that like there's certain things that he will, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: appreciate from his last girl. And, you know, I guess, yeah, it's,
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  Speaker 1: he's an interesting person and he is very guarded, obviously.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll talk about that. But in this conversation, Marcelino confesses,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, that Brittany, I guess, hit him and has
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  Speaker 1: hit him multiple times and britney was very quick to
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  Speaker 1: be like yep i did and britney definitely is like
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  Speaker 1: it's because of his behavior and doctor issues like oh
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  Speaker 1: no no no you there's no i'm so sorry is
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  Speaker 1: that your reason your justification.
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  Speaker 2: For i'm glad he said that i'm glad he said
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  Speaker 2: that yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty it's like no no you're right i should
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  Speaker 1: never have hit him but at the same time what
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  Speaker 1: he did like britney it's very hard for anyone i
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  Speaker 1: guess to Slow down and really isolate what they're saying,
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  Speaker 1: because you can have Britney be like, no, I know
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  Speaker 1: I've never hit him at the same time. But what
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  Speaker 1: he did was.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, no, just you can't. It's a really
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  Speaker 3: slippery slope because, again, I don't want to be the
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  Speaker 3: first one to say this. Swap the genders.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And we would not have the same idea.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's because she wouldn't stop talking. So I had to.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: You know, it's that kind of thing. And I'm glad
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: he stopped her and said, DB's not okay under any circumstance.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: And let's talk about it. But we find out it's because,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: and he even said, Marcelino says, yeah, I moved on.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: I moved on because, you know, she hit me. And
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I think a switch flipped. And because as you find out,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: like you're probably about to say, he was abused as
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: a child. Yeah. Yeah.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: He, that's what he says.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. By his mom. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: if they say, do they, do they specifically say it's his,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: his mother or a female relative?
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: You know what they say? Female. They say this, he
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: was abused at 13. It was a male or female
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: as a female. And he just, you know, remembers trying
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: to like, you know, bear it until I could get over.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: With, you know, and maybe a grandmother and aunt, I
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: don't know, but so it was, it was something. It
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: could be anyone. Yeah. Yeah.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: But obviously female. And she says that she didn't know
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: to the extent of that. And at this moment, Marcelino
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: says it out loud. And then, you know, he starts
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: to sort of like hear that this came out and he,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, and it's obviously taking him down and Dr.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Ish comes over to, yes, comfort him. And you literally
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: see Marcelino.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Being like, oh, I don't know.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I don't need that.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. I know. That was so crazy.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I don't need no sympathy, man. And Dr.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Ish is like, no, it's not about sympathy. It's about
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Having it be confirmed and validated that you experienced something
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: that no one should and that it affected you and
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: continues to affect you. And then Marcelino goes, no, actually,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm straight.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then Dr.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: It's just like, did you watch that? See that?
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now he's back inside. And it was it was
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: so good. I have never understood this couple as much
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: as I have after watching. And I should mention I'm
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: like on we just finished episode five. So there's even
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: more than this. And now it's all clear to me
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: because I understood Brittany because we had so much of
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: their backstory of hers, especially. And but now I understand everything.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, the drama with him sending Amanda dick pics
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: or whatever, like, I guess... Yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: When it came... It was that season. There was something
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: contrived about it. Like, I didn't believe it. I was like, oh,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: how convenient. It's, like, her lesbian friend that she kind
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: of hooks up with that you're going to, like, you know, like,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: send dick pics to. Like, because in my mind, I guess,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: it was like, well, that's not fucking believable that, like,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you would throw your relationship away to one person who's
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: obviously going to... it's going to come back around.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: There's other people in this town.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: So to have that moment and be, feel like this
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: isn't real. And then to be here, I'm like, well,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I guess it was like, I mean, I, yeah, maybe
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: they're just small town peas or not on people in
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: their circle. I guess that's what happened.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: It's the betrayal of it all because it's, it's, it.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Basically is Brittany.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Actually.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I think she was afraid that Marcelino was getting bored.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: That's why they brought in Amanda. I also think she
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: wanted to have her cake and eat it too.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Um, and I think she's always known that Marcelino preferred monogamy.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: And I think that.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I honestly believe this is, this is what happens in marriages.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I think you get married to one person, you think
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: it's someone else and there, there was a certain type
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: of person. And then you realize four years down the road,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: either it's not this person or you grew different.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: You became different. You know, she wasn't, she was in prison.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: She and then. and she became a different person and
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: then she was so you're not gonna really show who
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: you are until like the second year of marriage and
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: then you're trying to deal with the loss of the
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: person you thought you had so it's a mess that's
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: why i've been married 11 times and uh we'll see
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: steven's mom Oh God, what a nightmare. I will say
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: this one time, just a preview for a hunt for love.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I can't believe that Steven has might've been the least
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: problematic man this season. I did not expect that.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Nope. No, I certainly it's crazy. What a crazy situation.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Fucking boy scout compared to the rest of them.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I know, I know it. But yeah, Hunt for Love
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: is crazy. 90 Day Fiancé is crazy. Everything is crazy.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: But okay, this episode, if it wasn't called Trauma Bonds,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: which I do get, it could be called two other things.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like it could have two other titles. One
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: would be Everybody Loves Louis. Yes. Every in the morning,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Louis is like, I got up. I got up.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I worked out.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I made everyone fucking smoothies. I mean, you know, he's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a delight. Everyone like from Marcelino is like, man, I
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: wish I went to high school with Louis. You know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: people are like, I fucking, we love Louis so much.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: And Melissa's got to be kinder to her. I know.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: She's just, you know, I really do believe that she,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I actually asked Justine Michael and I'm like, what's she
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: like on camera? She's like kind of exactly who she
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: is on camera. She's like, she'll get a little bit better,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: but she came in really guarded. She's hard. She's got
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: a tough exterior and she's gruff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: No, I like her. There's a moment in episode two
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: where she's like, get your hand off my hair. And
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: he's like, it's not on your hair.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: She's like, get your hand off my hair.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not touching your hair, you know? And then you
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: see him look at the producers like, this is every day.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Something went wrong. Like, that type of physical touch thing, like,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: something went wrong to her. I don't know what it was.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I doubt we're going to hear about it this season. But...
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. The truth about that situation is that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: it's interesting that she finds his physical touch still so jarring,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: someone that she has known her entire life, that she's
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: been with now for a long time, that, like, she
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: was obsessed with at one point. Like, we remember that
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: she was obsessed with him when he was in prison. Like,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: she would go, right? Like, she's had a marked difference,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if it was, like, the teeth and, like,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: her nose. I don't know, like, what had him down, but, like.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: It kind of makes sense because... All her love.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Of him was in her nose. That part that was
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: taken away.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: That's true. And now it's gone.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Now it's filed off. Well, I think it was because
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: idealizing him in like that high school sort of way
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: made a relationship that had no intimacy, no physical intimacy.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: So it was kind of idealized. And then when she
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: came home, she wanted it obviously, but there's, there's a problem.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: There's a problem she's having with physical intimacy that, probably
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: isn't going to get resolved on this show.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I can't, I can't imagine her opening up about it.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I don't see it. Um, but who knows?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: She calls Louie like toxic positivity. Ouch. I know it
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: is like, um, The couples are starting to bond a
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: little bit. They talk about not really having a lot
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: of friends, you know, or hanging out with people much,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: either because people's, like, shared group circles don't really mesh
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: or whatnot.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And, you know, specifically Kim's like, yeah, like, my friends
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: don't really want to hang out with him. And Joey
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: lets loose that, like, yeah, and he, you know, had
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to cut off his family. And she's like, oh, why, Joey?
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Why do you have to cut off your family? He's like,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I don't really like to talk about it. She's like, no, why?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Why do you cut off your family? He's like, it's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: because I stole 90 from my grandma. 90. 90.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: That's not bad.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It's 90 dogs. Yeah. He's like thousand.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: 9,000. I stole $ 90, 000.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I stole $ 90, 000. Michael loses his mind over this. Like,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: he's like, what? That's crazy, man. It just seems like,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and you try to pass it off as saying only $ 90.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but there was $ 400, 000 in the account.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I could have taken all that. And then when he
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: says that, like, I took only $ 90. Like, it is,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: people are dying over it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I left her $ 310, 000.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: She loved me. She should leave it to me in
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the will now because it's a good Samaritan. And a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: good grandson.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I just love it that country people have all this money.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: That's the weirdest thing. They've got it stored up in
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: their family.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, yeah. All her life savings from her husband.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Totally agree. I don't know, but her whole life, yeah.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: We often think that country people are dirt poor, though.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: But I know... You think about Matt's aunt, not Aunt Darla,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: but Aunt Peggy. Peggy, she'll say, she's a millionaire because
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: of how much she's saved, how much money she's saved.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: But I have distant relatives, and they live way up
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: on the mountain, and they don't come down. They physically
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: don't come. Someone brings them shit up on the mountain.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: They don't even name the mountain.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Someone has to bring up a name for it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: So they literally.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Someone just brings them shit way the fuck up there.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: And one of them died. It's like a distant cousin
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: of my father. No, they drive. There are roads. They're
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: gravel or dirt. And they, someone had to bring, and
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: my dad's, it was like a second or third cousin.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: They found like, it was this ridiculous amount of money,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: like $ 500, 000 in her like one room shack. It was crazy.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: It was all money. All cash. Yeah.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know where it went.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: No.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Could have thrown her a hell of a funeral.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: People don't trust banks.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: No, not where I am.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Put in a mattress. Put underneath the mattress. Dig a
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: hole and put it in there and treasure for your
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: grandkids someday. Don't give away my secrets.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: No.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, so basically after this, uh, you know, great fun time,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: we have the doctor ish. Uh, workout, I guess, uh,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: psycho psychological exercise, and it's really a band workout. Ha
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: ha ha. It's good.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Um, But Dr.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Ish is like, we're going to talk trauma today. And
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: he's like an LA distressed sweater. He has great fashion.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: His fashion is very interesting. The pearl bracelets.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Did you see those pearl bracelets? He was wearing the
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: pearl bracelets at the event. And he is, I don't
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: think he'll mind saying this.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: He is a straight man.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not outing him as straight. I think it's assumed.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: And he has a female companion, I believe. I'm not
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: saying it like, shh, he's straight.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I think he's straight.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I just don't want to say it. Because both of
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: us would just go, because I'm kind of afraid you
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: would go, oh, that's sad. Or something like that.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Present company. We just know gay people. But no, he
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: had those bracelets, those pearl bracelets on. And I was like,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: those are amazing. He's like, I got to love me
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: some bling. Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: You just don't see pearls, you know, on it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Well, you see gay guys wearing those ironic pearl necklaces,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: but now you always see it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: So it's not even interesting anymore.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: No, I know.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: But like, you know, cause at a very, yeah. And
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: like a poils for the goyles kind of way, you know, straight.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Men are wearing them too. And I'm like, I don't
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: think y'all can do that.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like so old school that like, there's a moment
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: where I always see the pearls. I'm like Jackie O.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: And so I'm like, you know, like it's interesting, but
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Now pearl earrings. Now that would be interesting. Can you
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: imagine this gay guys working around with pearl earrings?
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Drop pearl earrings.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I do love it. Teardrop pearls.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Teardrop pearl earrings.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: That's what I'd like to see.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Honey, like wedding day.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Or full on Wilma Flintstone wedding. Like big fake pearls.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: That I'd like to see.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: One big ass chunky pearl. Yes. Like a conch shell,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: like a conch pearl shell. Yeah. I like that stack
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: of bracelets that he wears.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: It makes me really happy.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Basically, he separates the felons from the non-felons. It's very obvious.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Brittany's like the only non, the only felon that's female.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: So she's like, bye. I felt bad for Marcelino too.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would have, but he was having the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: time of his goddamn life.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: He was. He was loving the girl talk.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: He was getting the tea, as they say.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: He was. He instigates the game. He's like, Melissa's like,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: so Marcelino was like, let's play this game. We're going
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to play like basically like questions.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: We're going to play questions and answers. That's my Marcelino.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: It's pretty good. Yeah, it's really good.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: You just have to narrow your voice and use about
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: 10 words more than you'd necessarily would ever use. Yeah,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: and uses like 10 more words than he needs to.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: It's just... I don't think Brittany would tell me that her.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: The meaning, it's like, yeah, it's like a very like, yeah,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: he's like a very.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So narrow. It's so funny. He's such
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: a strange person. Like now I know a lot more
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: about him because this is someone who had a career
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: in the military.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I believe that.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: And got out. And it's obvious now why he got
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: a career because he didn't have to– he did not
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: have to share anything. He learned how to be a
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: harder individual. And so everything in his life now makes
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: sense now that we know a lot about him. It's
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: really interesting. This show has made a lot of things
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: click for me, for people I didn't know.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: And also makes you realize that no one is doing
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the amount of trauma and therapy that they should be
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: doing across the board to have, A, functional relationships for themselves,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: and B, if they are parents, in order to raise
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: children that can understand how to communicate well and from
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: what place. Like, and I mean that, like, I think
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: that the show is like, sure, like there are people
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that we've watched that have had hard lives and have
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: criminal pasts, but the show also is like the ultimate
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: leveler that everyone experiences at some point trauma, usually in
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: their childhood that informs who they are presently and like
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: has resonant impacts on their relationships. And that unless you
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: have done intense work or understand that like on the
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: whole society and civilization americans we don't do it and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: so we are just walking around kind of like oh
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: like basic you know wounds that are barely healed and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: are waiting to get picked again just to like bleed
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: out you know kind.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Of waiting for my scab to heal over waiting for
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: it to waiting for it to get dry and crusty.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: And i think that like yeah yeah And I think
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that the more that we kind of really understand and
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: sit with that are, like, the moments that we see
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: people freak out in life when we have, like, hardened
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: or unempathetic or judgmental and or reactive reactions to it, like,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: that it affects us. We can really try and disconnect
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and approach situations with, like, curiosity. Like, someone... if someone's
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: screaming at the top of their lungs, like in a
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: road rage accident, surely I don't want to fuck with them.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: But also I realized that like, who the fuck knows,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you know, what that person has.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: What their story is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: also these people, a lot of these people are just
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: at their bottom. A lot of these people have nothing
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: left to lose. So it's the, it's the best time
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: for them to act. They have nothing that would no
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: way out except to go through it. So they've been
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: told that their, their person, their partner is going to
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: leave them. So they can't be alone, and this is
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: the only way out. So I think that's especially a
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: way for Michael because he wouldn't do this if he
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: didn't have to.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I think is also interesting that they really
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: talk about the recitivity.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Recidivism. Recidivism. Recidivism. Why can't I say that? Say that
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: like Marcelino. Recidivism. Recidivism. Recidivism.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: God, your Marcelino is so good. I didn't realize it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: The quality of a recidivism is tough in this society.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: So after that, this is the exercise. It's basically people
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: go into a little tent room, kind of like a
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: circus tent.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: A yurt.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: A yurt.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Which is a word I hate. A yurt. A yuck.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: A yurt.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: A yurt.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: A yurt.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: It hurts me when I hear the word yurt.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: It hurts when I hear the yurt.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt yurt.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Mel Brooks.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. There's the bands everywhere. And basically he introduces a
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: man named Mr. Yusuf Dahl, who says that he is
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: there to change laws that are unjust for inmates and
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: that he himself has a past where he's been incarcerated,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and then he was incarcerated again and sold drugs, and
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: he got out and started a business and went to school.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: And so there is hope if you can name your demons,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: if you will. So what has to happen first is
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: for people to look and see words that they relate
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: to in some way. They take down the ban, and
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: then they have to sort of come to grips with
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: why this word triggers them or relates to them or
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: makes them feel like they want to grab it and
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: all the people grab lots of bands. I mean, you know,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: it's almost like Mardi Gras beads at the end of like,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you know, a very good night, you know what I'm saying?
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: It's like a fire sale. Everyone's just grabbing everything they can.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Like there's, and so we get,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you know, people discussing some of the things that have
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: happened over their lives. For instance, Louis quite quickly starts
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: talking about being in prison for 10 years. And in fact,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: that it, that happened in, In a way where it
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: actually saved him because it A, kept him off the streets,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: but also it made him into this person that was
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: sort of like a jail manager where people would come
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: to him for either advice or problems. And he became
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: known as like a helper. And I think that it
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: gave him confidence.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Responsibility.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Yep. quite quickly dr ish is like what are some
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: of the things that you uh that you missed while
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: being in prison that you you know have regrets over
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and he i mean very quickly says his son and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: can't you know hold back from emotional outburst of how
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: sad that is for him he just says that he
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a relationship with his.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Pretty crier it's a pretty crier.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: God i feel so bad for louis in this moment
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: yeah his son was like four.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: And then he was 14 yeah yeah yeah so he's
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: like yeah he said i uh he had to, uh,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: he basically later on, he talks about, you know, he,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: he's still there for him now, but he's, he can't hate,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: he still wants to be closer to his son, but yeah, missing,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: missing 10 years of your kid's life.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: It's formative years too.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: For tender years, the, the, the children of a tender age.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: That's true. The tenders.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Cody Brown's the Honey, you don't cover that, but I do. No, no,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I don't watch that show.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: You want to come and talk about it?
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, you don't watch it? I don't watch this season.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I don't watch this season, no.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: People are saying that.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: It's so, because now, because it was like this, it's
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: like once Christine, it's like everyone's like, once Christine leaves,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: people were like, wait, people, they were like, we can leave?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: And then people left and they were like, that's crazy.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: We can have our own lives and like have our
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: own opinions.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Do we need Cody?
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then now Cody's not even on the show.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: And so they're like, wait, We can just say whatever
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: the fuck we want.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Because we don't even see him anymore.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: We don't even see this person anymore. We have no
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: ties to him. Our kids hate him and we have
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: no money ties and he's an asshole and everyone knows that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: It's the ultimate breaking of the patriarchal cycle that took
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: 20 something years to break.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Mary is crazy. Yes, Jake, you have to watch it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Mary is crazy.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I'll go back and I just enjoy Mary's multiple MLMs.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: The grips.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: She, this last episode, she's like, you know what? Now
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to, I've been speed dating every month
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to go stay dating in different cities
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: so I can see where I want to move. I'm
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: going to speed date in San Francisco. And I found
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: that to be, I can't.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Even like, you just need to settle down with a
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: female golfer. Uh, I just don't know why you're trying. You're,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: you're such a perfect lesbian. I, yeah. Yeah. Sounds like, um,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: It's like a holiday, a Hallmark movie for the holidays.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: The perfect lesbian.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: The perfect Christmas lesbian.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Yes. Oh, that's really beautiful. That's what Joseph L. Smith wants.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: One of his last followers to turn gay.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: For Christmas. Anyway. So that's that. Of course, Brittany talks
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: about being on her own. Brittany dealt with a lot
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: of issues. She had to leave, She basically was on
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: her own at 12. She gets turned out, she says,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: by a man who's much older than her, gets her
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: hooked on drugs. He's really sexually violent towards her. And
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: obviously they're on drugs. She's pregnant. And she says that
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: she can't believe that she got herself out of that
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: situation and came back with an open heart, ready to
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: be in a new relationship. And she really prided herself
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: on not bringing what she thought was that baggage to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: this new relationship. However, when the betrayal happened from Marcelino,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: it felt even stronger because she felt like she had
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: gotten past so much just to be, you know, betrayed,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: which is a hard one.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I think this, she, she's done a lot of work
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: on herself.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I totally agree. There is a kind of idea, uh,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: You see this sometimes with people in recovery who are
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: with people who are not in recovery of saying, you
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: don't know how much work I've had to do on myself.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: and obviously you haven't done as much. So there's this
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: idea of not wanting.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I'm better than you.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: It's that, not that bad. But what she's saying is
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: she does not realize how much from her previous relationship
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: that she's brought to this or her previous life. She
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: can't see that. And so it's, it's interesting. I think you'll,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: you'll see it even more in, in future episodes.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because the truth of the matter is like, if
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Brittany can admit that she has hit Marcelino, then you
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: can admit that you probably didn't just bring that trauma.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yep.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: And also you probably had other trauma. I mean, you know,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: you don't know.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. Um, so, um, At the same time,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: of course, people are having fun with Marcelino. Julius talks
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: about the poverty that he had to deal with and
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: being in Section 8 and EBT and how he felt
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: maybe that there was no viable option but to go
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: from that kind.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Of- To the streets.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, to the streets. You're going to sell drugs.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: You don't have money anyway. So if you don't have money,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: you're given the chance to get money. What the fuck?
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: I know. I asked Dr.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Ish.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I said, what is Julius? I'm like, he's like, he's like,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: let me tell you. It's like, I even thought is
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: something wrong with him? Like, is he like developmentally delayed?
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Like that was what Dr. Ish thought. And, and like,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: he's like, he is so shut down. He's like, also
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: it's like, do you see the picture of his mugshot?
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: He's like, that kid is a beautiful kid walked into prison.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: You can imagine what happened at 19. And he's like,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: that's why he had to put tattoos on his face
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: to make himself ugly. And I was like sitting here
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: listening to Dr. Ish going, holy fuck. Look what that
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: kid had to go through.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: That part, Jake, I guess I wonder. I'm up to
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: episode four. And like the sexual trauma of what could
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: happen in prison, especially men prison or whatever. I mean,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it doesn't happen in prison. I wonder
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: if they're going to talk about that.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Especially a 19-year-old. Are they going to talk about that,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: do you think? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Not that I've seen in episode five. Julius is a
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: tough nut to crack because he's just, I don't know.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: It's the kind of thing where you're in prison for
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: six years. And also remember, no one came to visit
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: him when he was in prison. The only person was Alexis.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: His family didn't go see him, anything. I can't even.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: That's so sad. How does your soul... survive no knowing
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: that no one out there is even gives cares if
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: you live or die um and so i kind of
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: understand it why he he's completely shut down oh anyway
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: i know yeah that's it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: That is yeah it's really really hard uh he's also
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: says Which makes sense. Alexis is his first relationship. So
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: when Alexis is mad at him or whatever, he wishes
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that she would understand that he's never, never been in
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a relationship, never had to be obligated to any sort
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: of person or share or have vulnerability or think of
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: or care for or consider or have empathy for or.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Never had to consider another person's existence. And he's only
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: concerned about his own survival.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: And that was the most important thing. And, you know, that's,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: so that's all he could ever handle.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: And now he's out of jail and he's like, oh shit,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I can think about other things, but I don't know
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: how to do this. So it's that kind of thing.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Like Michael said, I don't know if I have this
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: ability to bring another person in.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Which brings me to Joey, who's like, I love Kim
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: and I love those kids. And I, all my family
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: hates me. And my whole life, people are like, he's
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: an addict. He's always been an addict. He's always going
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to do addict shit. And I think to my core
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: that they're Probably right. And so how do I love
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: someone like him and her kids and really consider the
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: fact that I could hurt them and I want to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: protect them by, I guess, telling them.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: To go away?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: And how do I deal with that? Yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: And just like him saying, I think they would be
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: better off without that. And then Michael starts saying, comforting
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: almost everybody. And I wrote down, and he has no
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: grace for himself. It's so interesting. And how... you'll see
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: that in group therapy a lot. Like they'll, they'll be
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: the one person who says, and they're cheering on the
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: other people. So you do know there is potential to,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: because if you can, a lot of people can, can
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: afford grace so much to other people, but when you
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: turn it themselves, they're like, no, I don't deserve it
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: because you feel terrible about yourself. So, yeah, it's so Michael,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Michael goes next and he's talking about poverty. Yeah. And
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: we talked about this.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: This story is really, really specific. It's a very specific
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: story that stays with you in the nuance.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: And details, right? Oh, I had to ask him about this.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: But go ahead.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, talk about it. Well, here, let me set it
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: up and you talk about it. Set it up, yeah. Basically,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Michael talks about this. One time, his mom had him
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: and his sister go to stay with her sister's house
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: and her sister's husband at the time. And her sister's
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: husband was an asshole and there was kids there. And...
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: They get served dinner and they look around and there's
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: like chicken and there's rice and there's salad. And they're
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: so excited because they don't get to eat all of
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: those kind of foods a lot.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: They're so excited to eat those foods. Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: And they get their plate that is served to them
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: and it's just rice and ketchup. And his younger sister
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: is like, can I have some chicken? And Michael asks
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: his uncle.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: The uncle, yeah.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: And the uncle- literally says no. And then later on
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: throws a bag of like discarded chicken at him. And
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: it's like, you want chicken. That's what you get.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: And it stayed with Michael. I, I just can't imagine
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: like any, in any sense of the word. I just,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: I couldn't. And he said, yeah, that happened. And he's like,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: he's like, this was one of those moments. He's like,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: we didn't actually spend a lot of time with those
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: people after. He's like, that man was a really bad man.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: And he's like, but that stayed with me for a
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: long time. And he's like, and I hadn't thought about it.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: He said, I had not thought about that night since
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: I was probably 10 or 11. He's like, it just
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: came back to me. Um, he's like, I told a
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: lot of other stories in that thing about poverty. He's like,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: it's like, but that's the one. And he's like, and I,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: he's like, I watched myself doing it. And he's like,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: you can actually see I'm feeling again for the first time. Um,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: and it, no, that he was, it was just like
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: such a moment. I was watching him do it. And
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I was like, that's crazy.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Anyway. Oh God.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Who knew Michael and Justine would give so much anymore.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: I didn't get it. I know.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, we thought Manhattan Barbie, naming their child Manhattan
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Barbie was it. Like, how could you give more than that?
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: But yeah, no. Manhattan.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: So, you know, that is really a hard piece because
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, the smallness of what we consider
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: the details of the moment, like rice and ketchup on
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: a plate when you're just watching everyone else. And these
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: are your cousins also.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: You know, like. in your family do this to you?
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, a loss of board doing it to any
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: child is, you know, a very fucked up thing. And
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: that man has like no heart and I, you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: don't know where he is now, but I can't imagine
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: that he has use of limbs. Okay. So basically at
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: this point, they have a bunch of these bands and
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: a bunch of things they're dealing with. They have to
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: put the bands on and walk around. And, you know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I think that it's very difficult to do so. You
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: really see how limited you are To move in the
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: world in the way you want to if these things
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: are holding on so tight, if you cannot breathe with them,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: if there is no, like, room to kind of, like,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: be with them.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: They look like mummies walking, yeah. Yeah.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Basically, at this point, we get to have their lovely break.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Spouses come. Yes.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Partners come and do the exact same thing, you know,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and everyone has trauma, like regardless if you've been incarcerated
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: or not, these are like words like betrayal or, you know, yeah. Abuse,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just neglect, abandonment. I mean, I think
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: that there's just a lot that people can relate to.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: And then basically you have to sort of use your
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: bands and others bands to not only like you walk
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: on yourselves, but then connect each other and then walk
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: around and how difficult that is like, you know, and
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: having to be there for your partner as you are
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: dealing with your own bands, watching them struggle with their
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: bands and having empathy for them while still trying to
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: do your thing. It's just, it's a, it's a good one.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: And it kind of, the episode ends with Alexis talking about,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: she was really bullied growing up either because she was
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: of a darker skin tone and she spoke a different
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: way and she looked a different way where she talks
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: about being bigger or chunkier or taller. And, uh, it
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: really affecting her. And yeah, I was, I mean, yeah.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: She was basically saying that I tried to blend in
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: and I would never stick up for myself because that
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: way I've made myself smaller so they wouldn't see me. And,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: and she's like now, and now when he's Julius is
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: saying stuff to me, I don't say anything back because
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I don't want to fight. I'm still trying to do
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: the same thing. So she's recognizing her.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Julius has like a situation where he'll just be like,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: you're so dumb or you're so stupid.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: To her, you know?
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: And he is like, it's just a lingo. It's a
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: thing young people do, but it's like.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Means different things to her.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think also, remember Julius... Julius is still,
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: even though he's 26 years old, he is still 19.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: If not younger. Yeah. And so that's how a 16-year-old fights.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: You can't do that if you're with a woman because
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: she's in her late 20s, something like that. You can't
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: do that with someone like that. That's the only way
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: he knows how to communicate. So if they stay together,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: which I kind of hope they don't, Um, it's going
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: to be a lot of work to, she's going to
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: have to teach him how to be a man. Like,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't, I don't see any other way
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: around it.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: So I couldn't believe they were still together, you know?
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: I don't, I, well, they have a child, unfortunately. So
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: I know not, not this unfortunate.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Their child was born. I'm saying they had, they had
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: a child regardless.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Remember that crazy girl that he was with?
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Oh yes. Ashley. Yes. Oh, I miss her. I miss
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: her and her nuttiness. Oh, yeah. All right, my loves.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: That was the end of this episode, but obviously there
• 51:08
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• 51:13
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• 51:14
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• 51:18
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  Speaker 3: I love you.
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• 51:22
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• 51:24
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• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Come over to mine and we'll do that.
• 51:29
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• 51:54
  Speaker 4: Yes.
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• 51:58
  Speaker 2: So you can just move over to Fat Cock Friday.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: People just post their dicks. What?
• 52:05
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• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. Thank you so much for being here.
• 52:16
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• 52:42
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  Speaker 3: Is shit.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Let's just have two present moments where we give ourselves
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• 52:58
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• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, that was good.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. All right, my babes.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Take care of yourselves.
• 53:23
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• 53:26
  Speaker 1: up for what you believe and make art. And we'll
• 53:28
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• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Bye.