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Seeking Trust in Leadership Through Music Part II with Miha Pogačnik · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to authentic living with Roxanne, a place where we have as conversations about
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  things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Derhodge.
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  Hi, everyone.
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  It's, Roxanne Derhodge.
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  Thanks for tuning in again today for authentically being a Roxanne.
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  Today, I have a special guest something that blew me away, when I saw him perform for the
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  first time, and this was at Forbes.
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  This is Mia Pornacek, We were talking about this, and they screwed it up.
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  Earlier, his his name, He blew me away when I was introduced to him at Forbes.
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  He is a violinist that has had a path that been absolutely amazing, starting in his love and
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  passion for music.
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  He has played concerts halls throughout the world, and then decided with time that he was
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  going to listen to his innate heart and created a space where he allows corporations and
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  leaders to listen to the space of the violin and their masterpiece, and they construct what
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  the space that they need to in order to tap into their unconscious space to create trust.
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  So we had thanks so much for coming on today.
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  Yes.
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  Hello, Roxanne, and hello, your audience.
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  What a pity.
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  We are not interface, but we have to go through Yeah.
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  Zoom, but that's the modern world.
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  I'm very honored and very pleased that we have time now to talk about these issues.
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  As you mentioned in your introduction, I have created quite different innovation that one
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  thinks of usually when you say innovation, you think about new digital device.
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  But what I do is I take something very old masterpieces of classical music, and I bring it
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  in the center of observation for the leaders to learn from it, how to organize and how to lead
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  the companies.
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  The explosion of of creativity is fun.
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  Yes.
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  If there's a lot of back and forths, whereas if it's a strategic plan that's come mostly in
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  your head, it's it just is it's work.
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  It's not fund.
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  It's not playful.
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  Whereas from the artistic lens, when you're trying to clear away from the head and get to
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  the heart, it is It can be chaotic, but it's also in its in its, I mean, it's madness.
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  It it provides so much more.
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  Yeah.
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  It's man could call it fun, but it's more than fun.
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  You know what?
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  Even there are words are missing for these deep experiences.
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  We don't have words.
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  And it's good so because with words, we would kill it.
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  So it's good, but it's important to know that when you are really connected with what you
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  want to do, you are in another sphere of life.
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  You are in our in your, you know, in your highest, possible expression, which feels you
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  with, special kind of joy and and purpose.
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  It's almost like I would say, like, you open up, you know, the crown chakra because you are
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  so connected to the universal energy, and something happens.
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  It's like when I was writing my first book, Meeha, I I don't feel like I know I was writing
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  it, but then it came from a space that was bigger than me.
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  Great.
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  Great.
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  I I honor it for that.
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  Just let's go on.
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  Now let's let's take this as a 22 realities.
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  One reality here and the other reality here.
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  Yeah?
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  And in between, there is a gap.
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  In other words, We all have this challenge in our lives.
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  All all people who are awake and developing I'm not talking about early pensionists.
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  You know, that's also there.
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  Unfortunately, people do not have the chance of possibility to always develop to the last
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  breath Yeah.
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  But this reality one could say is on one hand, every day need, you know, basic needs basic
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  needs.
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  Eating, drinking, budgets, and all that.
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  And I feel like goal, idealism, uniqueness, absolute inspiration, you know, also in mass
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  network, we have that, you know, self realization and at the bottom is basic needs.
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  Now we are Can we look about how these these years can come together in life and in
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  leadership and in organization?
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  Can we look at that?
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  I was just last week, I was working online, unfortunately, because I was busy here.
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  I couldn't to Barcelona.
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  I was working with a company in Barcelona who only had their meeting there, but they came
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  from all continents together, and they wanted to get one company because they are too many
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  pulling different directions, 7 factories, and each has their agenda, and they feel like they
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  they are not one global company.
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  So I I chose the piece that you I think you heard when we had another session before.
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  And this this masterpiece has a following motive.
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  In here, below it says.
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  It says like this.
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  It's like a wave.
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  Trying to reach for the moon, but the way it goes up and goes down.
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  It's like trying, but not, you know, how many times in life, you know?
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  And then it goes falls back in and then comes the answer from the highest very very fine,
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  very gentle, but it says, don't give up one day.
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  It will be there.
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  From above, it says, don't give up.
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  You're not ready yet, but try.
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  Don't Stop trying, learn, try, you know, so it says, And of course, there is a gap.
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  There is a gap.
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  And this is everybody's life experience if people are alive, you know, that we yeah, we
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  are stuck in everyday reality, and we would so much like to be the divine sphere of a divine
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  ancestors.
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  You know?
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  So Now how does that develop?
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  This little masterpiece shows a journey towards that high potential towards confidence and
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  trust that we can do it.
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  And I use this for this company so I can now comment to you so you will see in your audience
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  how practical that can be such using a must.
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  We will start we will start the the upper After 12 now, we'll start here.
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  So this is the nucleus like the beginning, and then you will see how it evolves.
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  However, important to keep in mind, this modem goes through the whole masterpiece, and there
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  are others who call their fear and so on.
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  But we will all recognize motive between below and above, like in human life, below and above.
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  So let's go and see how it evolves.
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  I'm sure it's lost you and lost many others because it's difficult to listen At the same
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  time as it is beautiful, but also observe what is happening, right, because one just gets into
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  the stream of music.
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  But we can learn to be experiencing the stream of music and at the same time observing.
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  This is how they operate.
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  We are completely identified with you.
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  At the same time, we are outside and observing to make sure we don't make mess.
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  Yeah?
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  So let's go once again.
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  What happens?
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  Can you hear the lower one says, do that.
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  And the upper one says, no.
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  No.
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  And then he says, what?
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  You must.
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  Better not.
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  But he has said so.
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  Oh, no.
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  Yeah.
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  Can you hear these two spheres at the beginning are completely pulling in different directions?
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  One says Okay.
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  So I I say, like, marriage after 10 years.
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  The company, but someone I said, look.
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  This is, like, how you came together now.
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  Everybody from another continent, another countries, another climate, another culture,
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  another whatever, you are not one company.
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  This is the beginning.
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  So what happens?
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  Did you listen?
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  For a moment, there is something a rainbow that connects this this chaos.
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  Yes?
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  It's just like this.
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  So it's like a gateway.
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  This opens up connects.
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  Connects is this.
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  Yeah.
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  So it connects and we can now go through through the gateway and see what is on the
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  other side.
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  I said, now you arrived to Barcelona.
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  What's gonna happen now?
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  Okay?
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  That's good.
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  By the way, at the end, I would play the 4 piece for for you and audience.
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  But now we are going to chop it up in order to get familiar with the process with the quality.
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  Yes?
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  So go on.
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  Now tell me, is now the quality not somewhat changed?
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  Yes.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  Here, next level.
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  So what is new?
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  It starts like before, And now, it does not go on as at the beginning, but it says Oh, well,
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  doesn't go this way.
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  Let me try this way.
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  In music, this is called modulation.
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  So it goes if you think it was like this, but then it was this way.
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  So Changing direction.
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  And now You see, this is new.
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  Suddenly emerges one direction.
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  So like people from different places who don't know how to communicate.
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  They decide to go this way.
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  Yeah.
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  This is his.
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  Yeah.
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  Can you hear me?
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  It says like this.
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  So there is three times direction when around it, things are growing.
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  So it's not pulling apart.
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  It's now going in the in the right direction.
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  Yes.
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  Growth.
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  Everybody likes growth.
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  Question at the top.
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  The top is a question and and a zed it.
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  What's the question?
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  What's the question?
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  When you decide to go together, what kind of new questions come out?
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  And then what happens No.
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  Did you notice?
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  When it came to the top, suddenly it turns inwardly.
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  When you have power power, there comes a moment where you have to turn inside.
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  You cannot go anywhere outside.
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  You come to the wall, so to say.
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  Now the next step is because growth, you know, growth has limits.
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  Sorry.
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  But that's how it is.
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  Most people don't believe that, but it does.
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  Even in nature, we grow physically and over eighteen years old.
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  Then we stop growing.
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  We will be giants.
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  We stop growing, and we start developing and developing means going in.
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  So mute after the high point goes in.
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  So this and this and this and this and this and then In the end, comes another gateway, and we
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  go through.
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  Yeah.
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  What can I say?
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  I try to project the experience when when super for Can you queue?
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  Can you feel like resignation?
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  I I call it the power of productive resignation.
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  We must come to this moment in life, not just to resign, but proactively resigning, but you
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  noticed there are things in me in us that are not acceptable.
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  We have to transform them.
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  We have to let go of them and then new gates open.
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  So here we are.
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  So what is the next stage Gateway.
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  Well, you can notice it's still the same masterpiece same qualities, the same motive
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  between below and above, except now it is completely in another place.
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  It is now opposite on the beginning.
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  Now it is really listening to each other and real dialogue.
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  And that's what I told people in Barcelona now when you get to this point, change the program.
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  You have too many PowerPoint privileges.
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  Throw it out.
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  Sit 1 in 1 and take 1 hour and then each other.
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  What is your feeling about the things?
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  Open to each other, and you will see the results.
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  So now one says What is your problem?
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  And they said, oh, I don't know.
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  Try to tell me.
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  I'm here for you.
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  Okay.
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  I'll try.
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  So so go on.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  You notice there is now suddenly, this Does it look like a rose?
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  Yes.
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  It does.
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  And get it out of that place.
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  In other words, and it has a lot of light because there is listening, relistening makes
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  it makes light appear.
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  The light of the there's light.
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  See, now we are in depths of conversation.
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  And this critical moment for a group for a company so that they can get to the next stage
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  that they first reopen up to each other.
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  So let's go where it goes.
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  You know what?
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  We are now witnessing transformation.
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  Suddenly, it is possible to switch the positions.
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  What used to be always below, you know, trying to reach and what was above trying to bless.
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  They are now switched over below is now above.
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  The other one's below.
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  You understand.
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  So because of the intimacy and of the listening to each other, suddenly, transformation comes
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  just naturally So what was below is now above.
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  It was above.
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  It's now below.
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  Voila.
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  So and where does that go?
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  I don't know if it comes through the machine, but I tell you.
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  Oh, it does.
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  It's captivating when you when you deconstruct it and you show the whole piece.
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  It's easy.
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  Power that comes out of it.
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  Why?
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  Because it's not anymore below our power or the other.
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  It's now jam they've joined into 1.
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  They become one line, one line, and they come out of this with great force, no, as one.
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  And then and then it breaks off.
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  At a very high point, it's this.
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  Nothing.
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  It's not finished.
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  But what does it mean to let go?
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  Do you know the magic of letting go?
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  It's easy to stay hard to do.
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  But, you know, when people are fighting and so somebody says, come on.
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  Let go.
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  Let's let's come together on the next level.
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  On this way, we will never, you know, letting go because then things if you let go at the
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  zedith of your power, then things turn around that they start coming to you.
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  You are not pushing for something.
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  Things come to you.
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  You are just there because you learned this inner motion of letting go said, that's what
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  happened.
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  And now We come back to the origin.
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  The same multi once again from a distance but luminous with inwardness.
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  Yes.
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  And full of line, night, and line.
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  So you see I told them, I said to them, if you do this, you will emerge out of your
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  conversation with new strength.
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  And then you go home.
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  You fly to Columbia and to Florida and whatever you are, and you will be there.
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  With your idea, original subject of music.
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  Yeah.
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  You do already you will be there full of confidence.
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  We can do it.
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  As one company, even if we are scattered around with different continents, we can do it because
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  it comes back to this idea and nobody's pulling now.
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  It's now just there.
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  No.
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  You hear the end.
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  Very touching inner resonance of heart.
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  You see these are stages.
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  1st, second, 3rd, 4th, 5.
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  5 changes with one same idea, same company goes through.
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  And I tell you, they will never forget.
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  In this case, when we had when we had one one line to sync this one direction, I made them
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  sing because they were projected on a big screen in Barcelona.
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  So I was really very strongly present even though on distance I could hear them sing with
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  me.
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  You know, when you get people really involved and they see it's not only about music and
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  about themselves.
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  It's about their challenge and solution.
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  Then you don't forget because it's so different.
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  It's productive people, I call it.
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  Now in addition, if you look at this, What can you what can you discover?
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  These are wounds.
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  Yeah.
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  Underground.
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  These are stained and it leaves.
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  This is a flower, and this is a fruit, and this is a seed for the next generation.
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  You see, evolving plant life.
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  A law of nature.
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  I believe will art is always related to real nature because it's organic.
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  It's meaningful.
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  It's beautiful.
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  Yeah.
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  It is a static.
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  It is so many things.
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  And, you know, when you listen to great music, you all the time say inside, yes, Yes.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  You're you feel like it all makes sense.
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  And look at the world today.
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  How many things make sense today?
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  Very few very few.
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  Not not many.
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  Not many.
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  And what what wisdom, the collating or the comparison of nature to art, it, it is so true.
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  It's organic.
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  It evolves.
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  It comes.
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  It goes.
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  It has its stages.
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  I I love that that, that analogy.
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  Don't you think that you should take organic principle as a guiding guiding light for
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  organization.
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  What about if organization would evolve in organic principle?
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  Not only buying other organizations, eating them, you know, different cultures and then
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  command controlling them.
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  But instead growing organically, they say, We grow.
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  We do not just buy everybody.
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  Sometimes there is necessary merger.
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  But organically, so people feel like they are part of organism.
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  You know, it's a great feeling that you are not just there with your boss who tells you what to
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  do and you tell the next ones what to do chain of command.
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  This is military.
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  This is, you know, old old paradigm.
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  We have to find this flat organizations, Horizontal.
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  So anyway, I will now play because we must now do it justice to music.
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  So I will play this through, and I ask you, try to fear transitions transitions of the
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  qualities of development.
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  So this is the return.
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  Amazing.
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  Amazing.
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  Thank you.
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  Did you follow this then?
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  You see, Roxanne, if you start Recognizing qualities in art, then we start recognizing
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  qualities in our fellow human being.
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  Abs absolutely.
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  I I completely agree.
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  And I think, you know, you're touching of I'm gonna use the corporate card is something that
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  allows them to listen in a, you know, in a, in a different way.
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  Whereas, you know, when traditional organizational, consulting is mostly from the
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  head.
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  Hence, why that trajectory that she shared with us with that beautiful piece shows that that on
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  unraveling, there's no space but to allow it to to to just transcend.
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  Yeah.
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  Who would you have to you are quite right.
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  You started with the question of trust.
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  You know, you mentioned trust in the beginning because trust is really trust is the most basic
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  in any organization.
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  I have to say the three things that I bought is trust, trust, and trust, and everything else
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  comes after.
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  So what I want to say is it then, look, if we start noticing uniqueness of every colleague
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  and or human being and not noticing their double, you know, their their bad bad habits
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  and all that because that's easy to see.
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  We all have problems.
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  Yes.
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  But if we start looking for the qualities, Then our fellow human being notices that the
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  immunity notice that you are really interested in them, not just how are you today?
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  But, really, what is your problem?
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  How can I help you?
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  I'm listening to you.
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  I want to know, you know, when they notice that, you know, what happens?
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  Trust.
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  People trust you because they feel like you are interested in them.
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  Most corporate people are only able to see you think What can I get out of it?
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  Out of this guy for me?
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  What can I get out of it?
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  You know, it's like going to conference and is the networking?
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  Yes.
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  What can I get out of it?
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  You know, that is stinks.
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  Yeah.
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  It stinks.
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  It's it's terrible because you notice that, and you don't want, you know, you keep them at bay.
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  Yeah.
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  Uh-uh.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  This is no goal in our time on this crisis.
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  There is need for this step at this time.
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  Even more, Meeha.
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  And I hope that everybody that tuned in could care the space and experience the space.
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  Like, I know this is the third time, I've heard you speak, and it it, it astounds me every time
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  as I have to close my eyes just to take the breath of it in and I'm hoping that, for,
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  leaders in their teams that people are that are tuned in today really take the experience in
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  their heart and bring it with them.
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  So we have, like, any last words before I have people go away and think about what what
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  they've experienced today.
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  What, what is it that you'd like to stay, and where can they get a hold of you so that they
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  can get a bit more of what what they've experienced today?
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  Well, look, if I would say something now, then it'd be like, what what can I get out of this?
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  I would say nothing.
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  You you ended so beautifully.
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  I think your words set it all.
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  So I'm pleased that we are in conversation in this way.
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  And if somebody feels like this is valuable.
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  They can reach out to me.
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  We can talk.
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  Thank you so much, Neeha.
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  And on that note, just reach out if you're wanting to know more about that authentic heart
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  leadership.
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  And, Meeha, thank you so much.
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  I am so grateful to have met you in the realm that I did, and then we have been able to spend
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  this time together.
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  And for everyone out there, if you're needing anything at all, please reach out to and he
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  will be more than happy to get back to you.
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  Again, take care, and we'll see you again next week.
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  Take care and take risk.
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  Thanks, Mia.
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