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Credlin | 23 September · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Credlin, live from News 24.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly am here. Good evening. Welcome to the program. Here's
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  Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight on Credlin. Another counter-terrorism arrest in
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne today. This time it's an alleged ISIS member who
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  Speaker 2: spent six months in Egypt before returning home to Australia.
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  Speaker 2: All smiles as the Prime Minister gets his selfie fix
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  Speaker 2: at the UN, but the US President not looking so happy,
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  Speaker 2: turning on the pressure to Australia over Labor's digital laws
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  Speaker 2: and free speech. More tonight on the Australian War Memorial
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  Speaker 2: being used as a political platform, including the dumping of
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  Speaker 2: the Australian National Anthem. And the Coalition unveils its energy
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  Speaker 2: plan and finally looks ready to pull the renewables rug
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  Speaker 2: from under Chris Bowen and this net zero obsessed government.
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  Speaker 3: We need to take a chainsaw to Labor's green, ideologically
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  Speaker 3: driven approach to energy.
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  Speaker 2: But first, as the latest News 24 Pulse poll has revealed,
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  Speaker 2: with a deeply unpopular leader, Labor is in trouble. No
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  Speaker 2: surprise then that Anthony Albanese has grabbed the opportunity for
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  Speaker 2: a trip to the UN rather than face a booing
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  Speaker 2: crowd and Kylie Minogue at the MCG this weekend. Shag, marry, date.
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  Speaker 2: Kylie Minogue, Nicole Kidman or Rhonda Birchmore?
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  Speaker 4: Kylie, clearly.
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  Speaker 2: You'd marry Kylie and shag her and date her?
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  Speaker 5: All of the above.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 2: That's why he's not there at the MCG for the
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  Speaker 2: AFL grand final. But Albanese is under no threat of
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  Speaker 2: removal as long as the right of politics remains split.
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  Speaker 2: And that's both the dismal reality and the challenge for
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  Speaker 2: anyone wanting our country to be better. After a decade
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  Speaker 2: of climate wars, the coalition has finally given us the
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  Speaker 2: bare bones of an energy policy today to keep coal
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  Speaker 2: in the system, to get more gas out of the
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  Speaker 2: ground as quickly as possible and essentially to scrap all
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  Speaker 2: subsidies for renewables because if they're really cheap, they don't
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  Speaker 2: need them, and to end the nuclear ban. Finally, net
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  Speaker 2: zero is dead and the Turnbull-Morrison era of climate nonsense
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  Speaker 2: consigned to history. But now the coalition needs a fair
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  Speaker 2: income immigration policy too. Because energy and immigration are the
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  Speaker 2: policy areas where the Albanese government is most damaging our country.
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  Speaker 2: It's also where One Nation has the advantage over the
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  Speaker 2: Coalition for consistency and credibility. Unlike the Coalition, which has
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  Speaker 2: been against and then for and now against net zero emissions,
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  Speaker 2: One Nation has always opposed it. And unlike the Coalition,
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  Speaker 2: which successfully stopped illegal migration under PMs Howard and Abbott,
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  Speaker 2: But eventually lost control of legal migration, One Nation's always
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  Speaker 2: been concerned about both and the impact of migrants on
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  Speaker 2: the economy and their effect on social cohesion. As revealed
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  Speaker 2: by the Australian Bureau of Statistics in their annual report
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  Speaker 2: last week, our net overseas migration, the NOM, was 292,000
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  Speaker 2: in the 12 months to March this year. In the
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  Speaker 2: Howard era, the long-run average was 110,000. So let's be clear,
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  Speaker 2: a norm averaging around $ 300, 000 a year puts downward pressure
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  Speaker 2: on wages, upward pressure on housing, it strains physical and
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  Speaker 2: social infrastructure, and at least for the migrants who come
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  Speaker 2: here and just live in Hotel Australia, take all they
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  Speaker 2: can get, well, it erodes social cohesion. Angus Taylor began
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  Speaker 2: his time as opposition leader saying that he'd restore our
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  Speaker 2: standard of living, he'd protect our way of life, and
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  Speaker 2: that the migrant situation Migrants come into this country while
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  Speaker 2: the numbers were too high and the quality was too low.
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  Speaker 7: Our top priority in the Liberal Party and my top
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  Speaker 7: priority as a new leader and Jane's as well is
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  Speaker 7: to protect Australians' way of life and to restore their
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  Speaker 7: standard of living. You've heard some strong comments from me
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  Speaker 7: in the last 24 hours on immigration and immigration, clearly
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  Speaker 7: the numbers have been too high and the standards have
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  Speaker 7: been too low.
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  Speaker 2: Now on this, the public are clearly with Angus. Numerous
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  Speaker 2: polls have the majorities wanting lower or much lower migration. Likewise,
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  Speaker 2: there are significant and growing poll concerns about the impact
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  Speaker 2: of mass migration on social cohesion. As well as fueling
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  Speaker 2: support for One Nation and the polling trend line makes
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  Speaker 2: that obvious, the Bondi massacre has obviously drawn attention to
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  Speaker 2: migrant communities that have lived here for decades without assimilating
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  Speaker 2: Australian values. For too long in Canberra, ever-increasing migrant numbers
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  Speaker 2: have been a lazy tool to artificially inflate growth forecasts
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  Speaker 2: and to stop the economy slipping into recession, even though
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  Speaker 2: in per capita terms that's precisely what's happened. This practice
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  Speaker 2: has masked record high government spending and profligate waste, especially
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  Speaker 2: under the Albanese government, but also under Morrison too. Now
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  Speaker 2: Taylor has to stand up and declare the racket must end.
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  Speaker 2: To keep the coalition competitive, he must spell out precisely
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  Speaker 2: how he will reduce migrant numbers while demonstrating how to
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  Speaker 2: keep productive industries strong, such as agriculture, that rely on
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  Speaker 2: overseas workers to do the jobs that Australians just won't do. Now,
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  Speaker 2: perhaps ending access to welfare for able-bodied, working-age people would
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  Speaker 2: be a good start. He's also got to tackle the
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  Speaker 2: elephant in the room, and that's who we permit to
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  Speaker 2: migrate here. If politicians don't think that voters could join
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  Speaker 2: the dots between recent terrorism-related arrests and the countries of
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  Speaker 2: origin that sponsor Islamist extremism, well, they are kidding themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the latest arrest today. A Somalian-born man, now
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  Speaker 2: Australian citizen, arrested because police allege he's a member of
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  Speaker 2: ISIS and has been, they claim, trying to recruit people
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  Speaker 2: online to and give advice as to how to avoid
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  Speaker 2: detection when planning a mass terrorism event.
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  Speaker 8: Today, the Victorian counter-terrorism team, comprised of the AFP, Victoria
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  Speaker 8: Police and ASIO, have arrested a 65-year-old man who we
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  Speaker 8: will allege is a member of ISIS. The man will
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  Speaker 8: be charged with membership of a terrorism organisation, possessing and
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  Speaker 8: controlling violent extremist material and using a carriage service to
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  Speaker 8: cause offence.
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  Speaker 2: Not linked to ISIS, a member of ISIS is the allegation.
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  Speaker 2: In a world that's more globally connected than any other
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  Speaker 2: time in human existence, events in a little town called
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  Speaker 2: Piddington in the UK and their anger about the housing
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  Speaker 2: of some 1,500 adult male illegal migrants near a rural
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  Speaker 2: hamlet of 350 locals, well, that matters to perceptions of
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  Speaker 2: what governments end up doing when they lose control of
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  Speaker 2: both our borders and culture.
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  Speaker 5: My concerns are the sheer scale of this. So we
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  Speaker 5: are a very small village.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be afraid. I mean, and I like going around
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  Speaker 2: the park, which is also very close. And it will be, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'll be totally scared and at risk.
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  Speaker 8: We're already doing self-defense classes.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's watching this stuff on their devices. And what's happening
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  Speaker 2: in the UK feels very, very real here. Taylor's challenge
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  Speaker 2: would be to say what must be said while avoiding
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  Speaker 2: outbreaks of disunity from left-wing liberals who think that we've
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  Speaker 2: no moral right as a rich country to exclude would-be
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  Speaker 2: migrants from relatively poor ones. Now, if they can't get
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  Speaker 2: on board, then it's beyond time they drop the charade
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  Speaker 2: and join Labor. Luckily, there's a way forward, namely to
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  Speaker 2: insist that everyone who comes to this country must be
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  Speaker 2: able to demonstrate that their presence in Australia will be
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  Speaker 2: as good for us as it would undoubtedly be for them.
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  Speaker 2: After all, the chance at life in Australia remains the
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  Speaker 2: global golden ticket. And we've got to get back to
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  Speaker 2: prizing this ourselves to ensure we leverage it to get
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  Speaker 2: the world's best and brightest, people who love what we
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  Speaker 2: stand for and want to join us, rather than those
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  Speaker 2: who want to come here, use us or change us. Essentially,
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  Speaker 2: this means only providing long-term visas to those with a
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  Speaker 2: definitive job to go to from day one at fair
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  Speaker 2: market wages, because working and paying taxes is the best
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  Speaker 2: way to integrate and ultimately to assimilate into Australian society.
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  Speaker 2: If you're on a tourist visa or a study visa,
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  Speaker 2: when it ends, you go home. You go home and
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  Speaker 2: apply again if you want to come back to Australia,
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  Speaker 2: thus ending the road of visa hopping onshore. And when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to our refugee intake, how about prioritising the
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  Speaker 2: persecuted Christian minorities currently being slaughtered by Islamists in places
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  Speaker 2: like Nigeria? Taylor will never be able to rhetorically outgun
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  Speaker 2: his rival on the right, who will always sound more
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  Speaker 2: hardline than a party of potential government that has to
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  Speaker 2: balance concerns about social cohesion with concerns about keeping migrant-dependent
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  Speaker 2: industries alive. But Taylor's got to do a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: more than just be a little less worse than Labor,
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  Speaker 2: because it's this policy timidity that began under Labor-like Malcolm
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  Speaker 2: Turnbull that's responsible for the decade-long exodus of the Liberal base.
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  Speaker 2: A big migrant intake, and ours is one of the
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  Speaker 2: largest intakes, the developed world, that does not automatically mean
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  Speaker 2: a higher GDP. Every country ahead of us on the
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  Speaker 2: IMF's latest GDP table has a smaller percentage of foreign-born
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  Speaker 2: population than we have in Australia, meaning it's one thing
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  Speaker 2: to bring people into this country But it's whether they
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  Speaker 2: lift or lean, to borrow Robert Menzies phrase, when they
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  Speaker 2: get here, well, that is what matters. All right, let's
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  Speaker 2: go to camera now for the headlines with our political reporter,
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  Speaker 2: Ruben Spargo.
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  Speaker 5: Good evening.
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  Speaker 9: The prime minister has met President Donald Trump on the
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  Speaker 9: sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York. A
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  Speaker 9: selfie of the pair was taken only hours before the
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  Speaker 9: US President criticised Anthony Albanese's tech agenda.
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  Speaker 6: I'll always stand up for Australia's national interests and the
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  Speaker 6: digital duty of care is something that we've foreshadowed for
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  Speaker 6: some period of time.
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  Speaker 9: It was the first face-to-face meeting between the pair since October.
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  Speaker 9: Former Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen will be called to give
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  Speaker 9: evidence at the state's Construction Royal Commission. Documents revealed she
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  Speaker 9: was briefed about concerns surrounding major infrastructure projects in 2023.
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  Speaker 10: The core message recited in this brief is as follows.
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  Speaker 10: MTIA has recently received anecdotal reports of criminal elements potentially
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  Speaker 10: becoming involved.
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  Speaker 9: The Royal Commission opened with a warning to those with
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  Speaker 9: something to hide. Come forward or be found out.
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  Speaker 2: All right, fresh poll in today. Sky, Sky, good to
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  Speaker 2: see you again. News 24 Pulse Poll. shows Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese's crash to his lowest and worst ever approval
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  Speaker 2: rating following weeks of scandals. A bit here from me
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  Speaker 2: about golf courses, controversies and government backdowns. Here to tell
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  Speaker 2: us more, News 24 Chief Election Analyst Tom Connell.
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  Speaker 5: Peter, there has to be a real question.
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  Speaker 11: Is Anthony Albanese's net satisfaction rating becoming a bit of
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  Speaker 11: a problem for Labor? This particular poll already has a
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  Speaker 11: big drop in support. So the number satisfied with his job, 33%,
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  Speaker 11: down three, dissatisfied up to 62%. Net satisfaction, so the positive,
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  Speaker 11: minus the minus, minus 29%. Scott Morrison after the summer
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  Speaker 11: of bushfires when... Voters weren't shaking his hand. He was
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  Speaker 11: at minus 22. So this is a problem. Let's compare
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  Speaker 11: it to November as well. As you can see, since then,
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  Speaker 11: minus nine satisfied, plus 12 dissatisfied.
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  Speaker 2: That's a huge move.
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  Speaker 11: So he was minus eight in only November and he
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  Speaker 11: shifted to minus 29.
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  Speaker 2: That's a huge shift.
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  Speaker 11: Where is he losing support? Well, breaking it down by
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  Speaker 11: voter cohort, first of all, some massive discrepancies. And you
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  Speaker 11: might say, well, no surprise.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, he's plus 67 with Labor. and much worse.
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  Speaker 11: But the concern here is Labor has lost primary vote,
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  Speaker 11: maybe a little bit to the coalition, maybe not, but
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  Speaker 11: certainly to One Nation. And that rating, minus 94, basically
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  Speaker 11: everyone saying he's doing a bad job, indicates maybe it
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  Speaker 11: will be hard to win them over. The other problem
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  Speaker 11: is where it's happening in terms of voter type. So
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  Speaker 11: Outer Metro, remember, his overall rating, minus 29. It's worse
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  Speaker 11: than the Outer Metro at minus 33, much worse for
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  Speaker 11: those low-middle-income households at minus 39. and also bad at
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  Speaker 11: minus 35 for TAFE educated. So outer suburban seats, working class,
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  Speaker 11: low and middle income, these seats, Labor have a lot
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  Speaker 11: of them at the moment, and these numbers indicate they
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  Speaker 11: could be in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in my panel. We'll pull that
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  Speaker 2: apart and a whole lot more. Senior Fellow at the
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  Speaker 2: Menzies Research Centre, Nick Cater, and News 24 host Jamie Rogers.
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  Speaker 2: Just on that, Nick, those numbers there from Tom Connell,
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  Speaker 2: what's interesting in that last slide, the demographic of the
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  Speaker 2: people moving fast away from Labor, that's Labor's old working
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  Speaker 2: class base. This is why they're so exercised.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's right.
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  Speaker 12: One Nation has bled to labour before in past incarnations,
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  Speaker 12: but it's happening big time now. And I think this
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  Speaker 12: is where most of the increase for the One Nation
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  Speaker 12: vote has been coming in the last few months. Some
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  Speaker 12: of the coalition are not in a great position, but
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  Speaker 12: they're stable. They're holding their ground and perhaps even gaining some.
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  Speaker 12: So I would be really worried if I was Anthony
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  Speaker 12: Albanese on this. There's a lot of metropolitan seats, outer
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  Speaker 12: metropolitan seats around Sydney, around Melbourne. Adelaide even and Brisbane,
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  Speaker 12: that the coalition would have a real battle winning. You
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  Speaker 12: wouldn't get them over in one election, you would think.
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  Speaker 12: But the One Nation, I think, have every chance of
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  Speaker 12: winning some of those seats, places like in the Illawarra,
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  Speaker 12: up in the Hunter Valley in the far west of Sydney.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I might have lost him there. He's frozen. I'll
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  Speaker 2: go to you if I can, Jamie, that the government, sorry,
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  Speaker 2: the opposition announced its energy plan today and it's really
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  Speaker 2: ripping into renewables. Now, we've long argued this should be
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  Speaker 2: on the agenda, that they need to really differentiate themselves
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  Speaker 2: from Labor. Here's the shadow energy minister, Dan Tehan.
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  Speaker 3: We need to take a chainsaw to Labor's green, ideologically
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  Speaker 3: driven approach to energy. For the Coalition, our energy policy
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  Speaker 3: starts with abundance and has three non-negotiables. The focus has
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  Speaker 3: to be on affordability, it has to be on reliability
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  Speaker 3: and it has to be on security.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's eight priorities here. There's a big one, the
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  Speaker 2: repeal of the Climate Change Act of 2022 to remove
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  Speaker 2: legislated net zero targets, scrapping the safeguard mechanism, revoking four
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  Speaker 2: offshore wind energy zones and removing, of course, that prohibition
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  Speaker 2: on nuclear energy. Well, it's been a long time coming.
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  Speaker 2: What did you make of it today, Jamie?
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  Speaker 13: Well, Peter, I watched Dan Tehan today and I heard
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  Speaker 13: him earlier this morning on radio and I thought, demolition Dan.
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  Speaker 13: I liked what I was hearing, especially the removing net
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  Speaker 13: zero targets and lifting this nuclear ban. The concern, though,
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  Speaker 13: is the fact that we are still staying in Paris.
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  Speaker 13: And Dan did explain it on radio as a way
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  Speaker 13: to make sure that we can stay in control of
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  Speaker 13: pretty much our destiny by keeping a seat at the
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  Speaker 13: table and At the time when he was explaining it,
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  Speaker 13: it did seem to make sense to me. But now,
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  Speaker 13: as I'm saying it to you, it's actually not really
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  Speaker 13: quite making sense. But he came across brilliantly. And I
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  Speaker 13: think this is exactly the sort of fight that we
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  Speaker 13: need to see from the coalition. My only concern now, though, Peter,
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  Speaker 13: as well, is they drop these policies and then they
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  Speaker 13: stop talking about it. So now they've got to go
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  Speaker 13: hard and make sure that they get cut through and
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  Speaker 13: that the electorate and voters can see what their plan is.
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  Speaker 13: Because as Dan rightly pointed out, Australians at the moment
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  Speaker 13: are choosing between whether to have the lights on or
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  Speaker 13: whether to feed their family. And in a country like Australia,
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  Speaker 13: where we are abundant with natural resources, it's the sad
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  Speaker 13: reality that we face chasing this green ideology path. So
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  Speaker 13: I think that the coalition are heading in the right direction.
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  Speaker 13: I want to keep seeing more of this policy prosecution,
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  Speaker 13: because let's not forget, when nuclear was the only policy
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  Speaker 13: for the coalition January last year, they were dominating in
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  Speaker 13: the polls. And then they backtracked and almost got scared.
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  Speaker 13: And as soon as Labor came out with that $ 600
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  Speaker 13: billion scare campaign, with nuclear. No one stopped it and
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  Speaker 13: corrected Labor. And unfortunately, we know the results there. So
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  Speaker 13: I think this is a good direction. I've liked what
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  Speaker 13: I've seen so far. So it's the fight's on.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to see them prosecuted day in, day
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  Speaker 2: out for more than a week. I mean, the problem
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  Speaker 2: is they pick something up, they drop it tomorrow. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Abbott wore out his welcome everywhere he went with the
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  Speaker 2: four or five plans he had over six years. before
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  Speaker 2: he was elected, you've absolutely got to drum the message in. And, look,
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  Speaker 2: I was in Horsham on the weekend. I was in
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  Speaker 2: Birdship for a funeral of an aunt yesterday. God bless
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  Speaker 2: her soul, a wonderful woman. But all the way up
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  Speaker 2: that road, up the calder I was driving this time,
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  Speaker 2: it was the Western Highway on the weekend, but up
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  Speaker 2: the calder, there were signs everywhere about renewables. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: these communities now... are absolutely fighting this stuff hard, Nick.
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  Speaker 2: In Birdship, there was no lines, no mines, no turbines.
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  Speaker 2: That's the sign. Absolutely everywhere. I think this fight on
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  Speaker 2: renewables is fast becoming lost for Labor.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think it definitely has.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, this has shifted a big way, Peter, in
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  Speaker 12: the last year, particularly in rural areas. I mean, you
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  Speaker 12: and I know we've been following this for four years
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  Speaker 12: or longer, the anger that was building up in the bush,
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  Speaker 12: but that was not getting through to the cities and
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  Speaker 12: it certainly wasn't getting through to Canberra. Now it is,
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  Speaker 12: it's become a national issue. What is happening to our countryside,
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  Speaker 12: what is happening to our Our farmland and some of
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  Speaker 12: our native bushland is an absolute disgrace. And once at last,
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  Speaker 12: that's on the political agenda. So I think this is
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  Speaker 12: a real, real negative for Labour. And you can see
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  Speaker 12: in the coalition's policy, they are onto this. They recognise
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  Speaker 12: that this has to change and we have to get
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  Speaker 12: back to a more sensible energy policy that focuses on
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  Speaker 12: cost and availability, one and two.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to that fight I discussed yesterday, last week
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  Speaker 2: with Jess Collins, Senator Collins, about Sydney's Victoria Barracks. Well,
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  Speaker 2: today Chris Minns has weighed in. He's talking about support
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  Speaker 2: to slap a Heritage Council order on the property so
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  Speaker 2: it can't be sold, but it must be protected. Jamie,
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  Speaker 2: I think the Prime Minister's got a real fight on
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  Speaker 2: his hands here. Well, he does, and I've got to
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: say well done to Chris Menz.
• 19:57
  Speaker 13: I probably would have liked him to have started this
• 19:59
  Speaker 13: fight a little bit earlier, but he's done it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Credits due.
• 20:02
  Speaker 13: And the sad thing, though, here, Peter, is the prime
• 20:05
  Speaker 13: minister is the one person who can stand up and
• 20:08
  Speaker 13: stop the sale of these defence assets. He needs to
• 20:10
  Speaker 13: show some leadership and back our defence sites. I actually
• 20:14
  Speaker 13: took my boys to Lancer Barracks in Parramatta. And as
• 20:17
  Speaker 13: soon as you walk through the gates, you can feel
• 20:20
  Speaker 13: how special these sites are. And when you bundle in
• 20:23
  Speaker 13: HMAS Penguin and Victoria Barracks, this is part of our
• 20:26
  Speaker 13: national heritage that the Labor government are just so flippantly
• 20:29
  Speaker 13: going off and selling. So we need to all sign
• 20:32
  Speaker 13: James Patterson's petition that you can do online. Last time
• 20:35
  Speaker 13: I checked, it was more than 80,000 signatures. And Jess
• 20:38
  Speaker 13: Collins is also organising a protest down at HMAS Penguin
• 20:42
  Speaker 13: on October 11. So the more people that are out
• 20:45
  Speaker 13: there and the more that we all stay vocal, we
• 20:47
  Speaker 13: can show this government that it's just unacceptable and it's
• 20:50
  Speaker 13: an absolute disgrace that they're selling off these precious sites,
• 20:53
  Speaker 13: because once they're gone, they're gone.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: They're gone forever. I need to leave it there. I'm sorry,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I've got a hectic show and Obviously, I want to
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: get to that Islamic State arrest today. Thank you to
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: you both. Now, the continuing debate over the role and
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: purpose of the Australian War Memorial and whether its expansion
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: into the history of colonial frontier conflict risks changing what
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: the institution is fundamentally about. Last week, you'll recall, I
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: brought you the concerns from retired Lieutenant Colonel Peter O'Brien,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: a Vietnam veteran and co-convener of the campaign Defend Sacred Ground.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: This should go to the people, but they have done
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: it behind closed doors. They had a meeting where it
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: was agreed. The minutes of that meeting have not been
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: made available. It was done in secret and now it's
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: being thrust upon people. And I would bet that if
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: this came to a plebiscite, we would get the same
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: result that we got in the voice referendums.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Well, now former Prime Minister Tony Abbott has weighed into
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the debate, arguing that frontier bloodshed is part of Australia's
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: national story, but that the war memorial is not the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: appropriate place to commemorate it. Tony Abbott joins me now
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: from Perth.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: Tony.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: In addition, obviously, to being a former Prime Minister, you
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: were a member of the War Memorial Council. That's what
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: we call the board of the shrine. So I'm assuming
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: you've got plenty of understanding of what was discussed on
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: this issue. I've been contacted by a huge number of
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Australians who are very angry that this proposal is even
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: on the table. What can you tell us?
• 22:36
  Speaker 14: Well, Peter, my very strong recollection is that no final
• 22:39
  Speaker 14: decision was made, certainly in my time, to go down
• 22:43
  Speaker 14: this path, because the Australian War Memorial, it's our greatest
• 22:46
  Speaker 14: national shrine. It should be a place which honours those
• 22:52
  Speaker 14: who have worn our uniform.
• 22:54
  Speaker 15: It is a tribute to our nation in uniform.
• 22:57
  Speaker 14: It should always be a place of unity and pride,
• 23:01
  Speaker 14: not a place of division and shame.
• 23:04
  Speaker 15: And unfortunately, there's an attempt on now to hijack the.
• 23:08
  Speaker 14: War Memorial by the Invasion Day Brigade, by people who
• 23:12
  Speaker 14: think the only thing that matters about our country is
• 23:15
  Speaker 14: Aboriginal dispossession. Now, I accept that there was bloodshed on
• 23:20
  Speaker 14: the frontier, and it's fair enough to remember that at
• 23:23
  Speaker 14: the right place. But the right place is not the
• 23:26
  Speaker 14: Australian War Memorial. I say hands off the Australian War Memorial.
• 23:31
  Speaker 14: And we shouldn't have changed by stealth here. We've had
• 23:33
  Speaker 14: too much change by stealth, change to have three flags,
• 23:37
  Speaker 14: not one, change to have acknowledgements of country at every
• 23:41
  Speaker 14: official event. We've got too much of this change by stealth.
• 23:46
  Speaker 14: If any change is ever going to happen at the
• 23:49
  Speaker 14: Australian War Memorial, ask the people, ask the people. Don't
• 23:54
  Speaker 14: have it snuck in behind closed doors, particularly in given
• 23:59
  Speaker 14: that the composition of the council has changed dramatically over
• 24:02
  Speaker 14: the last 12 months.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, there's a number of highly political appointees on the council.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Peter O'Brien, when we spoke to him last week, said
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: that he had legal advice from an eminent QC that,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: and this was the best of the advice, that doing this,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: putting this into the War Memorial in this way, would
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: actually contravene the act of So if that's accurate, how
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: does this even go ahead?
• 24:34
  Speaker 14: Well, there is a view at the memorial that what
• 24:40
  Speaker 14: is now proposed is broadly consistent. Now, I think that
• 24:45
  Speaker 14: means in practice it's inconsistent with the strict terms of
• 24:50
  Speaker 14: the Act. I guess to try to work this out,
• 24:55
  Speaker 14: someone would have to bring an action. But as we know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 14: an action in court, first, you've got to have standing
• 25:02
  Speaker 14: and second, you've got to have a lot of financial resources.
• 25:06
  Speaker 14: I think the moral case is absolutely overwhelming that no
• 25:12
  Speaker 14: government and no War Memorial Council should suddenly change the
• 25:18
  Speaker 14: fundamental nature of our War Memorial, which is to honour
• 25:22
  Speaker 14: those who wore our uniform and no one wearing Australia's
• 25:27
  Speaker 14: uniform was ever involved in any violence against Aboriginal people.
• 25:33
  Speaker 14: And at no stage, going right back to Governor Phillip
• 25:36
  Speaker 14: in 1788, was there a war against Aboriginal people.
• 25:41
  Speaker 15: Sure, there was bloodshed on the frontier, on both sides
• 25:44
  Speaker 15: of the frontier.
• 25:46
  Speaker 14: Settlers killed Aboriginal people, Aboriginal people killed settlers, but.
• 25:50
  Speaker 15: It was never a war in any meaningful sense.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Well, just across Lake Burley Griffin from the War Memorial,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: as you well know, is the Australian National Museum. If
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: there was such a need to tell this story, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: let's make sure it's accurate, both sides suffered bloodshed. Well,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: put it over at the Australian National Museum. Ultimately, and
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I know there is an independent charter for the War Memorial,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: but ultimately the hundreds of millions of dollars that To
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: do this extension, this new development, comes from taxpayers, provided
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: to them by the government. Surely the Prime Minister's got
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: to speak up and step in now.
• 26:33
  Speaker 15: Look, I agree.
• 26:35
  Speaker 14: This would not happen if the Minister or the Prime
• 26:38
  Speaker 14: Minister were to have a quiet word in the ear
• 26:41
  Speaker 14: of Kim Beazley, the Council Chair.
• 26:43
  Speaker 15: Now, I know Kim Beazley well. He's a very decent man.
• 26:48
  Speaker 14: He and I have had discussions about this recently. He
• 26:52
  Speaker 14: and I differ on this matter, but in the end,
• 26:55
  Speaker 14: Kim Beazley and the Council will do what the Minister
• 26:58
  Speaker 14: and the Prime Minister would like, and both the Minister
• 27:02
  Speaker 14: and the Prime Minister, I think, have a duty to
• 27:05
  Speaker 14: our country. The War Memorial belongs to all Australians and
• 27:10
  Speaker 14: it should not be hijacked to talk about a part
• 27:13
  Speaker 14: of Australian history that was never part of the work
• 27:19
  Speaker 14: of the armed forces of the Commonwealth of Australia.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, just to add insult to injury, one of
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: my viewers, Peter Bruce, terrific bloke, sent me a lovely email,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: had gone through a process with the war memorial where
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: he wrote to them and said, how on earth do
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: we have a welcome to country for a recent opening
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: event and not play the national anthem? This was in
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: relation to the opening of Anzac Hall and the new atrium.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: He said his father had served in New Guinea. He
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: wanted an explanation. Well, he got something back. He said
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: it wasn't a proper answer, but the memorial eventually told him,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: and I quote, in terms of protocol, the Australian National
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Anthem was not played at either of the two previous
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: events opening new sections of the development. It is, however,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: almost always, it says, not definitively, just almost always played
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: at commemorative events. Now, come on, Tony, this is not
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: good enough.
• 28:18
  Speaker 15: Look, you're right, Peter.
• 28:19
  Speaker 14: I think a lot of people were a little bit
• 28:21
  Speaker 14: dismayed that the anthem wasn't played. I can only assume
• 28:26
  Speaker 14: it was an oversight, to be honest. I know Matt Anderson,
• 28:30
  Speaker 14: the War Memorial director, very well. I just have to
• 28:34
  Speaker 14: assume that somehow it was left out by mistake. Certainly
• 28:40
  Speaker 14: lots of people have commented upon its absence, and I
• 28:45
  Speaker 14: can't imagine... that there will be another big event at
• 28:48
  Speaker 14: the War Memorial that doesn't involve our national anthem.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Well, can you write to him as a former Prime Minister,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: maybe co-opt a couple of other former Prime Ministers, to
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: put it in writing to say that you speak on
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: behalf of the majority of Australians, that you want to
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: see the War Memorial play the national anthem at any
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: significant event? Can't you put it on the table?
• 29:10
  Speaker 15: Well, look, I'm happy to do that, Peter.
• 29:13
  Speaker 14: As I said earlier, My main concern at the moment
• 29:17
  Speaker 14: is to ensure that the War Memorial remains an institution
• 29:21
  Speaker 14: that all of us can take pride in. And if
• 29:25
  Speaker 14: it starts to go down the rabbit hole of the
• 29:28
  Speaker 14: so-called frontier wars, I think that would be an absolute tragedy. Sure,
• 29:36
  Speaker 14: not every part of our history is perfect. I absolutely
• 29:38
  Speaker 14: accept that. But our country has far more to be
• 29:42
  Speaker 14: proud of than to be ashamed of. In any event,
• 29:45
  Speaker 14: we've all got to build on our strengths if we
• 29:48
  Speaker 14: are going to go forward together into the future. And
• 29:51
  Speaker 14: the work of the Australian Armed Forces from 1901 until
• 29:55
  Speaker 14: today is part of the wonderful heritage of this country.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Right, I've got you in the hot seat. I'm not
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: going to let you go. We were having a quick
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: discussion before about the Coalition's energy policy. We discussed the
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Paris Agreement. Of course, the Paris Agreement was agreed to
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: in your time as Prime Minister, but I recall a
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: handwritten note you wrote on the Cabinet decision saying, that
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: said something to it, the effect that everybody else had
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: to meet their targets or we were out and that
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: our targets could only be met, it was 26 to
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: 28 percent, which is a long way from where they
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: are now, could only be met without any damage to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the Australian economy. Is my recollection right? And given we
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: have had damage, given those targets are now double, given
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: that no one in the world is really doing anything,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: can't we now.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Just walk away?
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 30:55
  Speaker 14: Well, Peter, we don't need to pull out of Paris
• 30:59
  Speaker 14: because we have long ago met the Paris targets and
• 31:04
  Speaker 14: we only agreed to meet the 26% to 28% Paris
• 31:08
  Speaker 14: targets because the advice I got was that we would
• 31:12
  Speaker 14: meet them without any new expenditure and any new policy. So, yes,
• 31:18
  Speaker 14: net zero is economic insanity. It's energy madness. It's economic suicide.
• 31:25
  Speaker 14: But Paris is, as it were, in the past because
• 31:29
  Speaker 14: we long ago achieved our Paris targets.
• 31:31
  Speaker 15: I think it was in 2022.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: You're saying it's a dead letter. You're saying it's a
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: dead letter.
• 31:34
  Speaker 15: It's a dead letter. It's ancient history now.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: All right. I'll leave it there. I will put up
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: on the screen, though, information. Thank you, Tony. Information for
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: people who want to get in and support this campaign.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Tony Abbott's joined it now. Of course, you can see DefendSacredGround.com.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: So there's no AU there. DefendSacredGround.com. Please, please, please get involved.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: We don't need a war memorial. to be damaged in
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: this way. After the break, the latest on the arrest
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: of an alleged ISIS member, not supporter, member in Melbourne
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: and what it means for Australia's terror threat level. Coming up,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: President Trump ramping up pressure on the Australian government over
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: digital reforms and free speech. But now to the arrest
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: of a Melbourne man. He's from Carlton, actually. Happened in Melbourne.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: 65-year-old individual arrested by counterterrorism police who alleged he was
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: a principal distributor of ISIS propaganda among a group of associates.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: As I say, the clincher here is he's not ISIS linked,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: but police have charged him with being an alleged member
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: of ISIS. Here to discuss it, former AFP Detective Superintendent
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: David Craig. David, welcome. This bloke is accused of pledging
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: allegiance to ISIS and distributing around 10,000 files online for
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the terrorist organisation, including instructions on how to plan a
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: terror attack.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Have a listen.
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: Border force tipped off the AFP about this man in 2020,
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: or at least his phone was seized a year before. A,
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: why was he allowed to continue on to.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: Travel to Egypt, which is not far from Syria.
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: And the conflict zone?
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: And why has it taken almost six years to arrest
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: this man? So when Border Force seized his phones at
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: the border, they hadn't fully examined, they had enough suspicion
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: to seize him, and then he was allowed to leave
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: the country.
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: How long was he then overseas before he returned?
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: Approximately six months.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: All right, he's had long stints overseas in Egypt. We
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: can't tell where he... went from Egypt, if he did
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: leave Egypt. As we know, that's a stone's throw from Syria,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: from Gaza, from Iran, everywhere else. It's a hotspot over there. David,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: what was your impressions from what you heard this afternoon?
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, if convicted, Peter, this person represents the
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: absolute rot in our country that we don't need. This
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: is allegedly a purveyor of hatred, of Islamic hatred being
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: distributed with over 10,000 files or 10,000 files to people,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: inspiring hatred, giving police.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Methodologies away on how to avoid detection.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: If this person is convicted, I would hope that they
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: can pack him up and deport him back to Somalia
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: where he can spend the rest of his days once
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: he's finished his jail term here. This is a very
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: dangerous individual that is perpetuating hate and has done for
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: a considerable period of time.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: It was interesting today in that exchange with the Assistant,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Acting Assistant Commissioner there on the TV from the AFP.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: One of the journalists asked her, was he a foreign-born individual?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Was he Australian-born, I think was a term that was used.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: And the response from the AFP was, he is an
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Australian citizen. They completely dodged answering the question about his
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: nationality at birth. I think that's relevant.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Highly relevant, Peter.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, if he's a dual citizen, he should be,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: if he's convicted, if the alleged behaviour is proven in court,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: he should be stripped of his Australian citizenship and deported
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: at the end of his sentence. We don't need this
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: sort of person peddling this sort of hatred in our country.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: This is an imported problem and we don't need it.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting you say that because I thought to myself,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: six months in Egypt for an Australian citizen is That's
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: a bit unusual. I don't think you can get a
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: visa that long. So I jumped on the website and
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: found out that you could get a 60 to 90
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: day visa. You can get a longest day visa of,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: you know, three, four, five months, but you have to
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: leave the country, leave Egypt after 60 days. So the
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: fact that he was in Egypt for such a long
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: period of time probably says to me that he has
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: some sort of permanent residency or perhaps citizenship. in Egypt. Again,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: we've got to get tough on anyone who has multiple
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: rights to citizenship. If they don't want to join our team,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: if they don't want to live by Australian values, if
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: that's what the court finds in the end, out they go.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and the AFP and Home Affairs shouldn't be shying
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: away from this, and certainly not the Prime Minister either.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: As we know, all three that I just mentioned then
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: have shown a lack of spine in relation to confronting
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: radical Islam, which this is if it's proven in court,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and we need to expel this from our country.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, what do you make of the calls now for
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: a new threshold to be inserted between possible terror threat
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: level and the probable terror threat level?
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Peter, I think it's a good idea.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: We've been at probable now since August 2024. I think
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: there's an issue with remaining in the probable state because
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: people become desensitised to it. We've been in that level
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: during the Bondi attack. We've been at that level while,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: as we've learnt last week on your show, four disrupted
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: major terrorist attacks plots that were in the final stages
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: of planning. And yet we've remained at the same security level,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the same threat level. We need an intervening level. And
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I think that level should be probable hyphen heightened so
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: that there can be two levels within probable before we
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: go to expected, which is an absolutely expected level.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Rock sure there's going to be an attack.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's important because it alarms people if there
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: is an escalation and yet we can drop it back
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: from probable heightened to probable if the circumstances allow.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: So probable plus, I suppose, is how I'd call it
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: in a layman's term. Hey, what about the report yesterday?
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: A 14-year-old boy charged with violent extremist offences after allegedly
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: planning attacks at three locations in Miraburra This is on
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the Fraser Coast in Queensland. Police allege he was acting independently.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, a 14-year-old, terror attacks alleged, alleged, alleged, acting independently.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: How does that stack up?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, Peter, tonight on your show, we've sort
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: of covered the entire spectrum from an alleged 65-year-old Somali
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Muslim radical ISIS member to a 14-year-old boy in remote
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Queensland as the consumer. One was the purveyor of the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: hatred and one was the consumer. I'm not saying they're
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the same ideology. What I am saying is it's the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: same online radical process.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: They are certainly....
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: It's the ecosystem in which counter-terrorism needs to operate now.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: The radical online radicalisation from people that peddle hatred and
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: ideology and the consumer at the other end that picks
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: it up and is prepared to act violently upon it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 15: It is, David.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: It is the scourge of our generation. And this is why,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: you know, again, I'm so angry that the Prime Minister
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: never gave any public evidence to the Royal Commission and
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: we didn't even get evidence from the head of the AFP.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very disappointing, Peter, and in fact the fact
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: that the head of the AFP hasn't fronted the media today,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you would remember the days when we had real leadership
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: in the AFP with Mick Kelty standing up, leading the way,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: letting people know exactly where the AFP stands and what
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: people could expect from from law enforcement.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: At this stage, we haven't even got a deputy commissioner.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: We've got an acting assistant commissioner representing a serious ISIS
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  Speaker 1: member threat, allegedly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll leave it there. Thank you, David Craig. Quick
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: break after the break. We'll get into the very tough
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: comments today from the president in relation to Labor's digital
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: duty of care reforms. We'll get into that. But the
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: president really fighting on the issue of free speech. That's
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  Speaker 2: coming up. Still to come, Words Matter with Kel Richards. Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: of course, happens every Wednesday. Now, of course, to the
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister in New York. And he was there with
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: among 20 other world leaders who were demanding international frameworks
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: on AI safeguards. But he got a lot of pushback
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  Speaker 2: from the president and also the new US ambassador to Australia,
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  Speaker 2: who's asked for clarity about the government's digital duty of
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  Speaker 2: care legislation, saying exactly what is harm? What risks are
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: we talking about? And then, of course, there was a
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: warning today from the AFP acting assistant commissioner at the
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  Speaker 2: press conference in relation to the arrest of the ISIS
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  Speaker 2: member so alleged.
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  Speaker 8: The message is this viewing this violent extremist material is
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  Speaker 8: not harmless online content. It desensitises people and normalises violence and,
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  Speaker 8: as I said, mass executions.
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  Speaker 2: Bringing in now Senator Sarah Henderson, Shadow Communications Minister. Just
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  Speaker 2: on this point, Sarah... I know the government says we
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: need this digital duty of care because we've got young
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  Speaker 2: people committing suicide. We've got child pornography on the internet.
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  Speaker 2: We've got radical Islamic terrorism on the internet. But we
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: get people put in jail for child online exploitation. And
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  Speaker 2: we saw that arrest today in relation to this ISIS-linked individual.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly that's the police claim. We've already got all of
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  Speaker 2: these laws. They work. So why do we need this
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  Speaker 2: digital duty of care bill?
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  Speaker 15: Well, Peter, good evening.
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  Speaker 16: And the short answer is we don't, because as you say,
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  Speaker 16: most of the most serious online harms are already prohibited
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  Speaker 16: under the criminal law or regulated under the Online Safety Act.
• 42:09
  Speaker 16: The difference with the digital duty of care is this
• 42:12
  Speaker 16: is a political censorship bill. This is all about shutting
• 42:16
  Speaker 16: down the opponents that Albanese and others do not want
• 42:21
  Speaker 16: to hear from. And he belled the cat today in
• 42:23
  Speaker 16: New York when he gave a speech talking about, let's
• 42:27
  Speaker 16: take this to the next level, combating misinformation and disinformation
• 42:31
  Speaker 16: and the extreme views on the left and the right.
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  Speaker 16: So make no mistake, this is an egregious attack on
• 42:38
  Speaker 16: free speech, and that's why it's been condemned by the
• 42:41
  Speaker 16: US administration.
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  Speaker 2: So he's using the cover of child pornography, child exploitation,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: all the things we're against, suicide idolising and information to
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: young people to radicalise them online. All of that's already
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: against the law. So this is a really cheap shot
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: by the government to come at sort of our natural
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: sympathies to see the end of all of that But
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: by basically getting it in before the next election, mind you,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: to basically shut down legitimate debate on the internet or
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: for people hearing, you know, that the bloke lies, that
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: he isn't doing what he promised, that the budget's in
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: bad shape, that the borders are not controlled. That's what
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: this is about.
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  Speaker 16: It is, and as I say, that speech that he
• 43:28
  Speaker 16: gave today, they've now removed that damning, extraordinary section from
• 43:32
  Speaker 16: the transcript on the Prime Minister's media website. So talk
• 43:37
  Speaker 16: about disinformation on the Prime Minister's own website. No, I've
• 43:43
  Speaker 16: just checked, and that section of the speech where he referenced...
• 43:47
  Speaker 16: Misinformation and disinformation and the extreme views on the left
• 43:50
  Speaker 16: and the right, that has been removed from his website
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  Speaker 16: from that speech.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: So the Greens have belled the cat on this.
• 43:58
  Speaker 16: They talked about using this, that they should and can
• 44:01
  Speaker 16: shut down the views of their political opponents, the Coalition
• 44:05
  Speaker 16: and One Nation. This is a cover. for an egregious
• 44:10
  Speaker 16: attack on free speech. This is the stuff of communist China.
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  Speaker 16: This is not the laws of a first world democratic
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  Speaker 16: country and it's extraordinary what the government is doing and
• 44:23
  Speaker 16: it's disgusting that they're using children, harnessing the protection of children,
• 44:28
  Speaker 16: for their insidious agenda.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: And, look, from my understanding of it, Sarah... A reasonable
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: debate about safeguards around AI and how it's rolled out
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: and its impact on the workforce is very different than
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: a debate about free speech, than this digital censorship, than
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: this misinformation, disinformation. But the Prime Minister is trying to
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: conflate the two. It looks like that to me. Is
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: that how, am I reading it right?
• 44:59
  Speaker 16: He certainly is, and he's also conflating this notion of
• 45:03
  Speaker 16: my feed, my way, where you can so-called turn off
• 45:05
  Speaker 16: the algorithm, which of course is not possible, turning off
• 45:08
  Speaker 16: the personalised algorithm. That's actually not in this bill. There's
• 45:14
  Speaker 16: just some rulemaking power. So he's mixing up different issues.
• 45:18
  Speaker 16: The real story here is that the minister has unfettered
• 45:21
  Speaker 16: powers to decide any category of harm that should be
• 45:26
  Speaker 16: shut down. It is all about shutting down what people
• 45:29
  Speaker 16: can say and see online. It's all about shutting down
• 45:32
  Speaker 16: the political opponents of Labor. They are desperate. They will
• 45:37
  Speaker 16: do anything, Peter, and this bill is dangerous and must
• 45:40
  Speaker 16: be stopped.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: When the bloke's got the worst ever rating of any
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister in living memory, I can see he's going
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: to stop at nothing to stay in office. Sarah, thank you.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: All right, after the break, we'll get into words with Kel.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: We'll come back to other things. Of course, the Victorian
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Royal Commission into the CFMEU. It's not all unions, mind you.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Started today. I'll have a big update for you on
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: that tomorrow night. It was just sort of the opening
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: salvo tonight, but tomorrow there'll be more. See you in
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: a moment. Mr Richards, it's been a busy day. I
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: want to get straight in it with you. Thank you
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: for being here. The first one up is from me,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: and I tell you, I throw things at the TV.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Comparable was how I was taught to pronounce the word,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: not comparable. comparable, but maybe I belong in another century.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no. You are spot on. There is one
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: standard and correct pronunciation, and that is to stress the
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: first syllable, comparable. The American pronunciation is comparable, spitting out
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: that middle. But don't do any of that. Stress the
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: first syllable. It's the American influence. Really sad. So either
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: show me your American passport or say comparable.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: OK, politicians and media types, please take note that one
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: does my head in. Hey, guts for garters. Ron says,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: where's this one come from, Kel? I'll have your guts
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: for garters.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Comes from the reign of the Tudor kings and queens
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: in England when one of the punishments was to be hanged,
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: wrought and quartered. Now, that involved a cutting out and
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: exposing the intestines of the poor, unfortunate victim, although still
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: half alive. That's where the guts come from. The garters
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: from the fact that Tudor men would wear garters to
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: hold up their hose or, Now, it was never a
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: serious threat. No intestines were ever turned into garters, but
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: it made a nice, alliterative, blustering revenge threat, guts for garters.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Now, I like this one from Dee. She wants to
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: know the history of duck shove.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Oh, this is ours. This was invented in marvellous Melbourne
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: in 1859, and it came from the behaviour of cab drivers. Now, obviously,
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: at that time, horse-drawn cabs, handsome cabs, And apparently they
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: used to shuffle and compete to get to the best
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: places in the cab rank. And the way they behaved
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: was described as duck shoving. And that put the word
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: into circulation, presumably from having watched lines of little ducks
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: pushing each other as they waddled towards the water. But
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: it was Melbourne cab drivers that gave us the word.
• 48:12
  Speaker 15: I love it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: It might be about the duck boards. You know duck boards,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: wooden duck boards? Oh, yes, yes. Could have been that
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: too when people stand up next to those to get
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: into the cabs because I suspect Melbourne was as wet
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: and miserable back then as it is sometimes today. Beautiful
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: as well. Beautiful as well.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: Leaving it out.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: That's it for me. Thanks, Kel. See you next week.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Here's the Andrew Bolt Show.